**\** Meeting time https://github.com/monero-project/meta/issues/906 **\** Hello **\** 👋 **\** hello **\** hello all **\** Hello **\** hi **\** lets discuss some community highlights while people roll in **\** [v0.18.3.1 released](https://www.getmonero.org/2023/10/07/monero-GUI-0.18.3.1-released.html). boog900 found/patched a bug as a direct result of their CCS ! in this [Pull request](https://github.com/monero-project/monero/pull/9013) **\** Cool **\** when will the DNS servers be updated selsta? usually after about a week right? im not seeing any problems reported so far **\** monerobull tested the latest haveno release and noticed a BSOD , leading to an update 🫡 **\** Nah **\** Not really **\** I believe the haveno bug was because US and EU use commas and dots differently **\** The BSOD was apparently from the last windows update and has been fixed .... By me upgrading to win11 💀 **\** thank you for testing **\** we also had some community members purchase hardware to help with this RandomX PR: [Jit compiler for RISC-V](https://github.com/tevador/RandomX/pull/275) - tevador. This will increase RandomX performance on RISC-V cpu's. some volunteers including pauliouk and gingeropolous have purchased risc-v hardware to help testing. **\** Hello, apologies for being late **\** Didn't we recently plan to make riscv less efficient lol **\** (by proxy) **\** I think it was to require more memory **\** And special Ryzen instructions **\** this would be a PR for the "future" - a world where RISC-V cpu's are widespread **\** Is this kit thing licensed in such a way that bitmain can't use it in closed software? **\** Is this jit thing licensed in such a way that bitmain can't use it in closed software? **\** im not sure about that, i can follow up any Q's about this in #monero-pow or with sech1 if they know **\** Monero PoW **\** It's BSD 3-clause, so they can use it **\** But they already used XMRig with is GPLv3, and they didn't disclose the source code **\** :/ **\** So they don't give a damn about licenses **\** lol **\** X5 miners uses modified XMRig inside **\** It's GPLv3 **\** Where's the published source code? **\** Their miners are blowing up anyways and they don't pay their employers so I doubt they made much money with xmr 🤷‍♂️ **\** planned obsolescence is a feature **\** Lets sue **\** monerokin lawyers **\** Only if you have the next product lined up **\** we owe them 1k for sending empty emails already but thats another issue for #monero-events:monero.social **\** Which I very much doubt **\** the next product is probably mining already **\** Nah no way they developed another one **\** This one was a big failure **\** AI needs cpu's so the future is even brighter for RandomX **\** Ai uses GPU or asics **\** or machine learning.. they like RISC-V **\** bitmain likely got the cpus far below retail price to make it worthwhile for them. People speculated on engineering samples or similar non-retail silicon **\** There was like $10k of memory in there alone, right? **\** retail price for the specific modules they've used. I'd guess they used whatever modules they were able to source for cheap **\** almost forgetting a special thanks to Rucknium for chasing those none-standard fees [Privacy Advisory - exodus wallet users update](https://www.reddit.com/r/Monero/comments/176e1zr/privacy\_advisory\_exodus\_desktop\_users\_update\_to/) **\** we have a full-house for the active newsletters this week [Monero Observer](https://www.monero.observer/) - [Revuo Monero](https://revuo-xmr.com/) - [The Monero Standard](https://localmonero.co/the-monero-standard) - [Monero Moon](https://www.themoneromoon.com/) **\** are we missing anything obvious? we can move on to proposals then **\** This website includes them and some other things, it's pretty nice: https://themonero.dance/ **\** I'm not sure who maintains it but its pretty nice, there are a couple of broken things though **\** yes alot of missing things, looks nice though **\** i pointed the general fund donation tweeter to the p2pool blockchain explorer (exploremonero still dead) **\** lets move on to the proposals **\** I'd like to thank lza\_menace: for the amazing new map for docker monero node. It's so cool **\** Yes, ty lza\_menace: **\** eww, monero.dance has google-analytics.com and gstatic.com javascript. Whoever runs it: is that really necassary? **\** ah yes! 🗺️ **\** dⱮartian: **\** I didn't notice that, I have it all blocked **\** dⱮartian: **\** Maybe someone should contact the above **\** Runs it **\** monerosuite.org is from hundehausen (based on the work of lza\_menace too) **\** This looks pretty cool, if I can get it working I'll feature it in my next issue of the Monero Standard **\** Is that like an all in one monero deployer? **\** feather wallet tagged a new release. they also need help to verify hashes and such (20~GB of free disk space and time required) https://github.com/feather-wallet/feather/tree/master/contrib/guix#building **\** Yes, so many configuration options **\** yes monerosuite is an all in one, similar to xmr.sh **\** Cool **\** Includes block explorer, reverse proxy, tor proxy, monitoring, etc. **\** Tor stuff look weird **\** lets move onto the proposals unless **\** CCS proposals **\** we can skip a. [Add retroactive funding proposal for FCMPs](https://repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/ccs-proposals/-/merge\_requests/403) waiting for merge. **\** and just make everyone waiting for a ccs payout / merges aware that luigi1111 knows about it and will be handling everything soon(tm) - apologies for the delays **\** yup **\** b. [dangerousfreedom - wallet work](https://repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/ccs-proposals/-/merge\_requests/409) **\** Voting merge **\** DF is waiting for code reviews from his previous CCS **\** Seraphis wallet migration is extremely necessary and DF has major contributions **\** +merge **\** This is a problem in general right **\** indeed, rbrunner7 has provided some positive feedback **\** Can we hire someone like cypher stack if we can't find reviewers otherwise **\** This **\** Daemon needed too lol **\** Seraphis needs proofs and audits **\** And DF needs reviews **\** Yes **\** -dev and/or mrl and/or nwlb need to sign off **\** You' **\** we have devs on the payroll who can use hours to review DFs work **\** You're right **\** Are those devs just sitting around doing nothing? **\** I'm pretty sure most work on very specific things **\** Delaying what they work on to review each other's work while we have funds sitting idle is not very efficient **\** koe has had a quick look and said it all seems ok but not actually reviewed it in depth **\** Unless there's direct benefits from wallet reviewers being familiar with it in the future **\** But it would need to be related, no point in a wallet expert reviewing p2p protocol when they don't plan to ever work with it **\** i defer all serpahis proposals to the NWLB/seraphis workgroup **\** thats my vote **\** hiring outside help from e.g. cypherstack is a good idea **\** maybe we need monero-apprenticeship **\** we need experts **\** plowsof: depends on core team availability **\** but yes DNS will be updated after a week or so **\** specifics about dev work can be discussed in other groups, as long as we take care that devs willing to work can work - and that they are not waiting on the ccs bureaucracy **\** thanks! (DNS tells clients there is an update available) **\** otherwise agreeing with this **\** i mean on a personal level - DF has attended a monerokon and done other great work for the project - reducing delays is the priority here so he can get funding to continue **\** Can he already move forward even without the review? **\** there where some issues when the previous ccs was posted - which required discussion and changes, can view it in the comments. (perhaps showing a lack of direction because this is all new) **\** give him the tasks that we need and he'll do it **\** lets touch on the other proposals **\** c. [XMR BTC Atomic Swaps Desktop GUI - Continued development for 6 months](https://repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/ccs-proposals/-/merge\_requests/411) **\** close **\** binarybaron: hasnt had a chance to respond to my comment yet **\** this comment: https://repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/ccs-proposals/-/merge\_requests/411#note\_22562 **\** The GUI looks good but it's built on a discontinued protocol **\** BasicSwapDex allows bidirectional monero swaps with BTC and LTC now **\** UnstoppableSwap **\** I'd much rather have someone look into taking BasicSwapDex and ripping out their smsg network and replace it with regular Tor connections **\** Or at least evaluate how feasible that would be **\** Or pokkst etc implement said features in other wallets **\** Yeaj **\** Saw a tweet today **\** Pokkst implementation looks promising **\** Is there any more info than his tweets? **\** pokkst made a PR to the COMIT repo.... **\** is he also using the dead protocol? **\** perhaps then its not dead? **\** suspicious https://github.com/comit-network/xmr-btc-swap/pull/1447 **\** Hm **\** https://matrix.monero.social/\_matrix/media/v1/download/matrix.org/jRrtPURCTbucKTNNvMPLvtSY **\** I want to know how the liquidity providing works **\** looks like the same setup as unstoppable swap **\** i think we can defer discussion after raising some questions here and wait for binarybarons initial response **\** moving on **\** d. [Core Monero Concepts](https://repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/ccs-proposals/-/merge\_requests/412) **\** the previous video they made was \_actually\_ proudly shared on some social media sites **\** Unlike the last animation proposal lol **\** My comments earlier are an extension of plowsof. Lower # of videos to 2 + (my suggestion) and do video on importance of nodes etc and another on fungibility/adoption4merchants **\** we have 35 XMR from this proposal https://ccs.getmonero.org/proposals/savandra-videos-for-monero.html . if this Core Monero Concepts is reduced to 2 videos - then it could be almost entirely funded by those funds, and reduce the logisticcs issues with trying to push 4 videos out in a short time span **\** Im ok with more videos following fwiw **\** When would this be decided and allocated? I discussed a bit with xenu and we are open to shorten it to 2 videos to start if it makes sense. But if we could choose freely we would like to keep it to 4 videos as the initial proposal, less administration **\** About the script and topics I refer to x3nu to comment 👍️ **\** Let vosto work without needing to deal with us again every few weeks thankd **\** the hive mind will make it so. if reducing to 2 videos , then its possible that the price is halfed and it goes to funding for 0.x XMR? **\** which comment? **\** this comment **\** and absorbs the savandra funds (thus closing that proposal for good) **\** this comment ceetee **\** similar path to AcceptXMR **\** this feedback, ceetee **\** currently this proposal is 72XMR - halving it to 2 videos makes 36 XMR meaning if people want it to be 2, we could fund it with the 35 XMR , and put it to funding with 1 XMR **\** bish bang bosh \ **\** benefit the community to have videos like this they can just link to a noobie that will introduce them to these ideas. **\** and you guys have already seen the quality from the tail emission/dynamic blockswize vid :\_) **\** and you guys have already seen the quality from the tail emission/dynamic blockswize vid :) **\** yeah it was visually appealing **\** if two videos is more convenient that works as well. we can again show we are capable of producing quality to make future funding more valuable **\** If it's not a big deal for the community I'd prefer the current proposal but like x3nu says we are open to changing it **\** Seraphis and stomic swaps? **\** so we have several options here , move to funding as, move to funding as is -= to the 35 XMR, half it and -= 35 so it requires 1 xmr to complete funding **\** if halfing people need to decide on what 2 vids they want **\** from the proposal: **\** \>• Random X: Understanding the significance of ASIC resistance **\** \>• Breaking down the how-to and the rationale for P2Pool. **\** \>• Nodes: Why every Monero enthusiast should consider running one. **\** \>• Fungibility: Explaining its essence in the context of Monero. **\** overall i am +1 for vost and xenu to produce more videos for us **\** As am IU **\** As am I **\** i am as well **\** some discussion to finalise what is going to happen is needed **\** that's not in this proposal, but we have future plans for that, yes. we need to wait until more work is done on them though before spending time on it **\** RandomX and fungibility I think are good if halfing **\** But making videos that only last a few months is retarded **\** do we nee d a p2pool how-to? breaking it down sure but i believe there are already good tutorials **\** i apologise for spelling halfing wrong and misleading you all. halving \* **\** Landscape forever changing on atomic awaps, seraphis, p2pool, even fungibility **\** Keep proposal as is, redistribute funding to ours, 35/72 xmr in the funding, that's optimal IMO **\** RandomX and fungibility I think are good if halving **\** 34 or 35, whatever was left in savandra's **\** well for fungibility that isn't really about technology but moreso the characteristic of fungibility because monero isn't perfectly fungible **\** so we will have example of what we mean by that and benefits of fungibility **\** I have to leave the meeting. Goodbye everyone and thank you plowsof for moderation **\** x3nu: Is probably up to work on the scripts while we wait for the second half funding, x3nu ? No time would be wasted **\** atomic swaps and seraphis are indeed constantly changing. althought seraphis I think would be ideal once it is finalized because this is the largest hardfork in Monero's history **\** Right. So why makeba video on fungibikity when xmr is not yet fungible? **\** Ita like making news reports on "whats to come" **\** recanman vote on the last one before you leave? **\** e. [escapethe3RA Monero Observer maintenance (2023 Q4)](https://repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/ccs-proposals/-/merge\_requests/414) **\** merge **\** it would be like making a video on privacy but monero isn't perfectly private. it isn't an on or an off switch but an ideal that development for Monero aims for **\** +merge, Monero observer I look at all the time **\** monero.observer left our minds, but never our hearts and has been back the past week pushing out content as usual **\** Didnt check price, bur merge if same as last **\** thanks for attending recanman **\** price is the same rates as the prev **\** I checked almost every day on whether monero.observer was back. It's great. Goodbye **\** i suggest you to set up an rss reader instead **\** G2g too **\** back in a few **\** https://matrix.monero.social/\_matrix/media/v1/download/matrix.org/XvlSJVtviXKzgOWYRKVgYwjz **\** its so good **\** we think it would be a good idea to introduce the topic as part of running a node because the question of "what can I do to help Monero" comes up a lot. it wouldn't be a literal guide but a guide emphasizing the difference between centarlized pools and p2pool and why long term p2pool is what we should aim for **\** yeah that is good **\** thanks all for attending, we can call an end to the meeting here. we have to come to a decision on how to move forward with the core monero concepts proposal asap