15:00:09 Meeting time https://github.com/monero-project/meta/issues/906 15:00:25 Hello 15:00:33 👋 15:00:48 hello 15:00:49 hello all 15:00:51 Hello 15:01:24 hi 15:01:54 lets discuss some community highlights while people roll in 15:02:06 [v0.18.3.1 released](https://www.getmonero.org/2023/10/07/monero-GUI-0.18.3.1-released.html). boog900 found/patched a bug as a direct result of their CCS ! in this [Pull request](https://github.com/monero-project/monero/pull/9013) 15:02:56 Cool 15:03:38 when will the DNS servers be updated selsta? usually after about a week right? im not seeing any problems reported so far 15:04:48 monerobull tested the latest haveno release and noticed a BSOD , leading to an update 🫡 15:05:03 Nah 15:05:06 Not really 15:05:39 I believe the haveno bug was because US and EU use commas and dots differently 15:06:06 The BSOD was apparently from the last windows update and has been fixed .... By me upgrading to win11 💀 15:06:21 thank you for testing 15:06:41 we also had some community members purchase hardware to help with this RandomX PR: [Jit compiler for RISC-V](https://github.com/tevador/RandomX/pull/275) - tevador. This will increase RandomX performance on RISC-V cpu's. some volunteers including pauliouk and gingeropolous have purchased risc-v hardware to help testing. 15:06:55 Hello, apologies for being late 15:07:28 Didn't we recently plan to make riscv less efficient lol 15:07:32 (by proxy) 15:07:47 I think it was to require more memory 15:08:07 And special Ryzen instructions 15:08:12 this would be a PR for the "future" - a world where RISC-V cpu's are widespread 15:08:38 Is this kit thing licensed in such a way that bitmain can't use it in closed software? 15:08:50 Is this jit thing licensed in such a way that bitmain can't use it in closed software? 15:09:28 im not sure about that, i can follow up any Q's about this in #monero-pow or with sech1 if they know 15:09:43 Monero PoW 15:10:29 It's BSD 3-clause, so they can use it 15:10:45 But they already used XMRig with is GPLv3, and they didn't disclose the source code 15:10:46 :/ 15:10:51 So they don't give a damn about licenses 15:10:58 lol 15:11:09 X5 miners uses modified XMRig inside 15:11:12 It's GPLv3 15:11:18 Where's the published source code? 15:11:19 Their miners are blowing up anyways and they don't pay their employers so I doubt they made much money with xmr 🤷‍♂️ 15:11:41 planned obsolescence is a feature 15:11:51 Lets sue 15:12:08 monerokin lawyers 15:12:31 Only if you have the next product lined up 15:12:35 we owe them 1k for sending empty emails already but thats another issue for #monero-events:monero.social 15:12:36 Which I very much doubt 15:13:00 the next product is probably mining already 15:13:22 Nah no way they developed another one 15:13:31 This one was a big failure 15:14:09 AI needs cpu's so the future is even brighter for RandomX 15:14:26 Ai uses GPU or asics 15:15:13 or machine learning.. they like RISC-V 15:15:46 bitmain likely got the cpus far below retail price to make it worthwhile for them. People speculated on engineering samples or similar non-retail silicon 15:16:11 There was like $10k of memory in there alone, right? 15:17:03 retail price for the specific modules they've used. I'd guess they used whatever modules they were able to source for cheap 15:17:11 almost forgetting a special thanks to Rucknium for chasing those none-standard fees [Privacy Advisory - exodus wallet users update](https://www.reddit.com/r/Monero/comments/176e1zr/privacy_advisory_exodus_desktop_users_update_to/) 15:18:08 we have a full-house for the active newsletters this week [Monero Observer](https://www.monero.observer/) - [Revuo Monero](https://revuo-xmr.com/) - [The Monero Standard](https://localmonero.co/the-monero-standard) - [Monero Moon](https://www.themoneromoon.com/) 15:18:59 are we missing anything obvious? we can move on to proposals then 15:19:12 This website includes them and some other things, it's pretty nice: https://themonero.dance/ 15:19:59 I'm not sure who maintains it but its pretty nice, there are a couple of broken things though 15:20:14 yes alot of missing things, looks nice though 15:20:48 i pointed the general fund donation tweeter to the p2pool blockchain explorer (exploremonero still dead) 15:22:01 lets move on to the proposals 15:22:04 I'd like to thank lza_menace: for the amazing new map for docker monero node. It's so cool 15:22:47 Yes, ty lza_menace: 15:22:50 eww, monero.dance has google-analytics.com and gstatic.com javascript. Whoever runs it: is that really necassary? 15:22:53 ah yes! 🗺️ 15:23:06 dⱮartian: 15:23:14 I didn't notice that, I have it all blocked 15:23:15 dⱮartian: 15:23:20 Maybe someone should contact the above 15:23:21 Runs it 15:24:03 monerosuite.org is from hundehausen (based on the work of lza_menace too) 15:24:39 This looks pretty cool, if I can get it working I'll feature it in my next issue of the Monero Standard 15:25:09 Is that like an all in one monero deployer? 15:25:09 feather wallet tagged a new release. they also need help to verify hashes and such (20~GB of free disk space and time required) https://github.com/feather-wallet/feather/tree/master/contrib/guix#building 15:25:24 Yes, so many configuration options 15:25:26 yes monerosuite is an all in one, similar to xmr.sh 15:25:48 Cool 15:25:59 Includes block explorer, reverse proxy, tor proxy, monitoring, etc. 15:26:42 Tor stuff look weird 15:28:00 lets move onto the proposals unless 15:29:08 CCS proposals 15:29:08 we can skip a. [Add retroactive funding proposal for FCMPs](https://repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/ccs-proposals/-/merge_requests/403) waiting for merge. 15:29:11 and just make everyone waiting for a ccs payout / merges aware that luigi1111 knows about it and will be handling everything soon(tm) - apologies for the delays 15:29:26 yup 15:30:09 b. [dangerousfreedom - wallet work](https://repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/ccs-proposals/-/merge_requests/409) 15:30:41 Voting merge 15:31:16 DF is waiting for code reviews from his previous CCS 15:31:52 Seraphis wallet migration is extremely necessary and DF has major contributions 15:31:53 +merge 15:32:20 This is a problem in general right 15:33:04 indeed, rbrunner7 has provided some positive feedback 15:33:09 Can we hire someone like cypher stack if we can't find reviewers otherwise 15:34:05 This 15:34:14 Daemon needed too lol 15:34:30 Seraphis needs proofs and audits 15:34:36 And DF needs reviews 15:34:45 Yes 15:35:15 -dev and/or mrl and/or nwlb need to sign off 15:35:39 You' 15:35:42 we have devs on the payroll who can use hours to review DFs work 15:35:43 You're right 15:36:22 Are those devs just sitting around doing nothing? 15:36:36 I'm pretty sure most work on very specific things 15:37:28 Delaying what they work on to review each other's work while we have funds sitting idle is not very efficient 15:38:12 koe has had a quick look and said it all seems ok but not actually reviewed it in depth 15:38:14 Unless there's direct benefits from wallet reviewers being familiar with it in the future 15:39:02 But it would need to be related, no point in a wallet expert reviewing p2p protocol when they don't plan to ever work with it 15:39:37 i defer all serpahis proposals to the NWLB/seraphis workgroup 15:39:41 thats my vote 15:40:37 hiring outside help from e.g. cypherstack is a good idea 15:40:37 maybe we need monero-apprenticeship 15:40:49 we need experts 15:41:39 plowsof: depends on core team availability 15:42:02 but yes DNS will be updated after a week or so 15:42:15 specifics about dev work can be discussed in other groups, as long as we take care that devs willing to work can work - and that they are not waiting on the ccs bureaucracy 15:42:20 thanks! (DNS tells clients there is an update available) 15:42:36 otherwise agreeing with this 15:43:33 i mean on a personal level - DF has attended a monerokon and done other great work for the project - reducing delays is the priority here so he can get funding to continue 15:44:14 Can he already move forward even without the review? 15:46:28 there where some issues when the previous ccs was posted - which required discussion and changes, can view it in the comments. (perhaps showing a lack of direction because this is all new) 15:47:22 give him the tasks that we need and he'll do it 15:48:03 lets touch on the other proposals 15:48:04 c. [XMR BTC Atomic Swaps Desktop GUI - Continued development for 6 months](https://repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/ccs-proposals/-/merge_requests/411) 15:48:04 close 15:48:27 binarybaron: hasnt had a chance to respond to my comment yet 15:49:13 this comment: https://repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/ccs-proposals/-/merge_requests/411#note_22562 15:50:13 The GUI looks good but it's built on a discontinued protocol 15:51:08 BasicSwapDex allows bidirectional monero swaps with BTC and LTC now 15:51:50 UnstoppableSwap 15:52:23 I'd much rather have someone look into taking BasicSwapDex and ripping out their smsg network and replace it with regular Tor connections 15:52:45 Or at least evaluate how feasible that would be 15:53:07 Or pokkst etc implement said features in other wallets 15:53:38 Yeaj 15:53:38 Saw a tweet today 15:53:41 Pokkst implementation looks promising 15:54:04 Is there any more info than his tweets? 15:54:05 pokkst made a PR to the COMIT repo.... 15:54:14 is he also using the dead protocol? 15:54:27 perhaps then its not dead? 15:54:44 suspicious https://github.com/comit-network/xmr-btc-swap/pull/1447 15:54:58 Hm 15:55:05 https://matrix.monero.social/_matrix/media/v1/download/matrix.org/jRrtPURCTbucKTNNvMPLvtSY 15:55:55 I want to know how the liquidity providing works 15:56:07 looks like the same setup as unstoppable swap 15:56:26 i think we can defer discussion after raising some questions here and wait for binarybarons initial response 15:56:43 moving on 15:56:45 d. [Core Monero Concepts](https://repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/ccs-proposals/-/merge_requests/412) 15:57:35 the previous video they made was _actually_ proudly shared on some social media sites 15:58:08 Unlike the last animation proposal lol 15:58:16 My comments earlier are an extension of plowsof. Lower # of videos to 2 + (my suggestion) and do video on importance of nodes etc and another on fungibility/adoption4merchants 15:59:17 we have 35 XMR from this proposal https://ccs.getmonero.org/proposals/savandra-videos-for-monero.html . if this Core Monero Concepts is reduced to 2 videos - then it could be almost entirely funded by those funds, and reduce the logisticcs issues with trying to push 4 videos out in a short time span 15:59:34 Im ok with more videos following fwiw 16:00:39 When would this be decided and allocated? I discussed a bit with xenu and we are open to shorten it to 2 videos to start if it makes sense. But if we could choose freely we would like to keep it to 4 videos as the initial proposal, less administration 16:01:17 About the script and topics I refer to x3nu to comment 👍️ 16:01:37 Let vosto work without needing to deal with us again every few weeks thankd 16:02:09 the hive mind will make it so. if reducing to 2 videos , then its possible that the price is halfed and it goes to funding for 0.x XMR? 16:02:24 which comment? 16:02:39 this comment 16:02:40 and absorbs the savandra funds (thus closing that proposal for good) 16:02:41 this comment ceetee 16:02:48 similar path to AcceptXMR 16:03:06 this feedback, ceetee 16:03:56 currently this proposal is 72XMR - halving it to 2 videos makes 36 XMR meaning if people want it to be 2, we could fund it with the 35 XMR , and put it to funding with 1 XMR 16:04:13 bish bang bosh 16:04:16 the general idea is to have a full suite of videos discussing intermediate topics about Monero. So for example the four topics in the proposal show this. We also have future plans for videos as well to help with adoption and understanding: e.g. atomic swaps, seraphis. By doing a buik order now we can focus on four topics that have a lot of merit and content and I believe it would 16:04:16 benefit the community to have videos like this they can just link to a noobie that will introduce them to these ideas. 16:04:50 and you guys have already seen the quality from the tail emission/dynamic blockswize vid :_) 16:05:03 and you guys have already seen the quality from the tail emission/dynamic blockswize vid :) 16:06:03 yeah it was visually appealing 16:06:28 if two videos is more convenient that works as well. we can again show we are capable of producing quality to make future funding more valuable 16:06:45 If it's not a big deal for the community I'd prefer the current proposal but like x3nu says we are open to changing it 16:06:46 Seraphis and stomic swaps? 16:06:55 so we have several options here , move to funding as, move to funding as is -= to the 35 XMR, half it and -= 35 so it requires 1 xmr to complete funding 16:07:18 if halfing people need to decide on what 2 vids they want 16:07:23 from the proposal: 16:07:23 >• Random X: Understanding the significance of ASIC resistance 16:07:23 >• Breaking down the how-to and the rationale for P2Pool. 16:07:24 >• Nodes: Why every Monero enthusiast should consider running one. 16:07:24 >• Fungibility: Explaining its essence in the context of Monero. 16:07:31 overall i am +1 for vost and xenu to produce more videos for us 16:07:45 As am IU 16:07:47 As am I 16:07:54 i am as well 16:07:59 some discussion to finalise what is going to happen is needed 16:08:03 that's not in this proposal, but we have future plans for that, yes. we need to wait until more work is done on them though before spending time on it 16:08:05 RandomX and fungibility I think are good if halfing 16:08:11 But making videos that only last a few months is retarded 16:08:13 do we nee d a p2pool how-to? breaking it down sure but i believe there are already good tutorials 16:08:28 i apologise for spelling halfing wrong and misleading you all. halving * 16:08:30 Landscape forever changing on atomic awaps, seraphis, p2pool, even fungibility 16:08:56 Keep proposal as is, redistribute funding to ours, 35/72 xmr in the funding, that's optimal IMO 16:08:57 RandomX and fungibility I think are good if halving 16:09:11 34 or 35, whatever was left in savandra's 16:09:15 well for fungibility that isn't really about technology but moreso the characteristic of fungibility because monero isn't perfectly fungible 16:09:43 so we will have example of what we mean by that and benefits of fungibility 16:10:02 I have to leave the meeting. Goodbye everyone and thank you plowsof for moderation 16:10:15 x3nu: Is probably up to work on the scripts while we wait for the second half funding, x3nu ? No time would be wasted 16:10:18 atomic swaps and seraphis are indeed constantly changing. althought seraphis I think would be ideal once it is finalized because this is the largest hardfork in Monero's history 16:10:20 Right. So why makeba video on fungibikity when xmr is not yet fungible? 16:10:26 Ita like making news reports on "whats to come" 16:10:31 recanman vote on the last one before you leave? 16:10:37 e. [escapethe3RA Monero Observer maintenance (2023 Q4)](https://repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/ccs-proposals/-/merge_requests/414) 16:11:18 merge 16:11:25 it would be like making a video on privacy but monero isn't perfectly private. it isn't an on or an off switch but an ideal that development for Monero aims for 16:11:25 +merge, Monero observer I look at all the time 16:11:26 monero.observer left our minds, but never our hearts and has been back the past week pushing out content as usual 16:11:39