Paste.ee - texts Telegram Messages from Mycelium chat (also on https://archive.org/details/telegram-messages-dump-mycelium)

[2016-05-29 03:48] ID=1 Rassah: None
[2016-05-29 04:11] ID=2 Btxngn: None
[2016-05-29 19:02] ID=3 Rassah: None
[2016-05-29 20:11] ID=4 CosmosStag: 
[2016-05-29 20:28] ID=5 Rassah: What sucks is our paychecks come in on the 1st or so...
[2016-05-29 20:34] ID=6 favdesu: 
[2016-05-29 20:47] ID=7 RE_ID=5 Talon8Ya: Same for my teams. I feel bad for them. I dont get paid so its a no big deal to me.
[2016-05-29 21:02] ID=8 CosmosStag: why would people be so worried about one paycheck?
[2016-05-29 21:04] ID=9 RE_ID=8 Talon8Ya: Well lets say you get paid $100
[2016-05-29 21:04] ID=10 Talon8Ya: but you get paid in BTC.
[2016-05-29 21:05] ID=11 Talon8Ya: so you would get at current preeve value 0.1850 BTC
[2016-05-29 21:05] ID=12 Talon8Ya: now that being said that is if you get paid today.
[2016-05-29 21:06] ID=13 Talon8Ya: if the BTC value keeps going up you still get $100 but the BTC value being higher means you get less BTC to make that $100
[2016-05-29 21:06] ID=14 CosmosStag: I know
[2016-05-29 21:06] ID=15 Talon8Ya: So the speculators on BTC value feel bummed as if they had the BTC now it would be 0.1850 BTC instead of in a couple days when it might only be 0.75 btc
[2016-05-29 21:07] ID=16 Talon8Ya: Ah ok.
[2016-05-29 21:07] ID=17 Talon8Ya: I dont worry either way. i know BTC will go up in value over time. What BTC I do get from things I hold other than paying bills. Right now bills are more than I get LOL
[2016-05-29 21:07] ID=18 CosmosStag: I just mean, I think I can handle paycheck volatility.
[2016-05-29 21:08] ID=19 Talon8Ya: ah cool.
[2016-05-29 21:08] ID=20 CosmosStag: I was surprised that would be something someone would worry about.
[2016-05-29 21:10] ID=21 Talon8Ya: Most dont. Some do. It can be a bummer to see a fast rise when you dont have the BTC in hand to have it rise as well making your $100 in BTC worth more. It could be worse. BTC is still a good bet to rise over time.
[2016-05-29 21:11] ID=22 CosmosStag: Oh yeah.
[2016-05-29 22:11] ID=23 Hemyolin: Rassah, how does a DAO actually collect $100mm in micro transactions via a token sale? Do you know which bank they must use to actually accept the funds without placing a hold or a levy on their account for deregulated trading?
[2016-05-29 22:12] ID=24 AROMACOMPUTERS: what acct?
[2016-05-29 22:18] ID=25 Hemyolin: Well, if they wanna store $100 million... they still need a regular bank account for that. I think. Unless the deals are done 1:1 in cash. But if they do it online, then people must somehow get Fiat currency transfered from one account to another. And in exchange get the token. But money still need to start in one place and likely end in another bank account. No?
[2016-05-29 22:21] ID=26 BitcoinKhaleesi: Exactly.
[2016-05-29 22:21] ID=27 AROMACOMPUTERS: as far as i know, a DOA cannot & does not have a bank acct given to "The DAO".  you get token thingies.
[2016-05-29 22:22] ID=28 AROMACOMPUTERS: if you want cash, its up to you jto cash it.  MAybe Coinbase haha
[2016-05-29 22:24] ID=29 AROMACOMPUTERS: same reason you cant have a decentralized exchnage, involving banks.  No bank is giving a protocol a bank acct.
[2016-05-29 23:17] ID=30 RE_ID=8 Rassah: Those who get paid in bitcoin, if they would've gotten paid when the invoices were sent in, they would've had hundreds of dollars more now. Or, if this price rise is temporary, they could lose hundreds of dollars when the price drops back down.
[2016-05-29 23:18] ID=31 Rassah: I don't really know anything about the DAO...
[2016-05-29 23:18] ID=32 RE_ID=30 AROMACOMPUTERS: could do daily payroll
[2016-05-30 07:03] ID=33 RE_ID=25 Superart: The doa money is all in ether.  It is not *really* $100M USD.   What they have is 11M ETH.  The current exchamge rate is roughly $12, which is where they get the "over $100M" claim.
[2016-05-30 12:02] ID=34 Godson_Mansa: could you prepare another invite link Rassah people on twitter are looking for it. 
[2016-05-30 12:02] ID=35 Godson_Mansa: looking for one*
[2016-05-30 15:06] ID=37 Rassah: None
[2016-05-30 15:07] ID=38 Rassah: https://telegram.me/MyceliumWallet
[2016-05-30 15:08] ID=39 udiWertheimer: None
[2016-05-30 15:09] ID=40 jhon_Doe: None
[2016-05-30 15:09] ID=41 phideas: None
[2016-05-30 15:11] ID=42 udiWertheimer: Thanks for the invite! How is the token distribution coming along?
[2016-05-30 15:14] ID=43 Allie: None
[2016-05-30 15:17] ID=44 RE_ID=38 HostFat: 👍
[2016-05-30 15:19] ID=45 justlanz: None
[2016-05-30 15:25] ID=46 RE_ID=42 Rassah: Still need to ask
[2016-05-30 15:30] ID=47 cryptobloog: None
[2016-05-30 15:30] ID=48 cryptobloog: Hi all
[2016-05-30 15:39] ID=49 Rassah: Hi
[2016-05-30 15:40] ID=50 GOLsmart: None
[2016-05-30 16:19] ID=51 uporo: None
[2016-05-30 16:21] ID=52 uporo: Greetings
[2016-05-30 16:23] ID=53 Rassah: hi
[2016-05-30 16:29] ID=54 shinya6088: None
[2016-05-30 16:29] ID=55 uporo: May i ask... How can i get access to my crowdsale tokens if all i got from colu is an address
[2016-05-30 16:29] ID=56 uporo: ?
[2016-05-30 16:49] ID=57 ???: None
[2016-05-30 16:50] ID=58 RE_ID=55 Rassah: Once tokens are distributed, they will be sent to the Colu address you privided
[2016-05-30 16:51] ID=59 udiWertheimer: Rassah, when is the distribution going to happen? Didn't you guys say Monday?
[2016-05-30 16:51] ID=60 Rassah: Yes, should be today
[2016-05-30 16:52] ID=61 udiWertheimer: Also, are you working with any exchanges on starting trading on the tokens?
[2016-05-30 16:52] ID=62 Rassah: Not working yet, just talking
[2016-05-30 16:53] ID=63 udiWertheimer: I see, so we shouldn't expect actual trading to start in the immediate future?
[2016-05-30 16:55] ID=64 Rassah: Not unless you do it in person, sorry. It takes time to actually set up an exchange to trade something after that something is created too
[2016-05-30 18:03] ID=65 Stompy: None
[2016-05-30 18:05] ID=66 Stompy: hello
[2016-05-30 18:08] ID=67 Rassah: ✋
[2016-05-30 18:30] ID=68 wesam40920: None
[2016-05-30 18:35] ID=69 wesam40920: when will you distribute the tokens today . what platform will you use
[2016-05-30 18:40] ID=70 jshii: None
[2016-05-30 19:00] ID=71 Rassah: I'm told the first batch has been distributed
[2016-05-30 19:00] ID=72 Rassah: Instructions for how to receive are on the dashboard
[2016-05-30 19:07] ID=73 Stompy: I did the instructions and the tokens are not show at Colu.
[2016-05-30 19:08] ID=74 Rassah: Then you probably didn't get into the first distribution batch. We had over 2000 buyers, so it will take a few days to process them all, sorry. We just want to make sure we don't make any mistakes
[2016-05-30 19:08] ID=75 Stompy: OK ty.
[2016-05-30 19:09] ID=76 Rassah: Ty too
[2016-05-30 19:09] ID=77 Rassah: Sorry for the wait
[2016-05-30 19:41] ID=78 kytmanov: None
[2016-05-30 20:05] ID=79 Godson_Mansa: yeah i don't even know what a colu is smh 
[2016-05-30 20:16] ID=80 A7made17: None
[2016-05-30 20:23] ID=81 RE_ID=79 Rassah: Colu.co
[2016-05-30 20:31] ID=82 wesam40920: What happened with the email instructions . so we go to the dashboard on the website and figure it out
[2016-05-30 21:30] ID=83 uporo: I don't understand. How can get an access to colored coins? I have the address but shouldn't i have a private key for it or something?
[2016-05-30 22:05] ID=84 RE_ID=82 Rassah: Yeah, there are no email instructions. The instructions are on the dashboard
[2016-05-30 22:14] ID=85 RE_ID=83 Rassah: Create a Colu account, or get a Colu wallet app, then put your Colu address into the dashboard, and when the tokens are sent out, they will go to that address. Your private key should be in your online Colu account or in the Colu wallet app. Make sure you make a backup?
[2016-05-30 22:20] ID=86 Stompy: every time when u receive assets in Colu I get new address   it confusing.
[2016-05-30 22:21] ID=87 Rassah: You received other assets in Colu?
[2016-05-30 22:21] ID=88 Stompy: no.
[2016-05-30 22:22] ID=89 Stompy: but I can't manage the address that I put at ico web
[2016-05-30 22:23] ID=90 Rassah: Manage how?
[2016-05-30 22:24] ID=91 Stompy: I mean I don't see the address that I give at ico page
[2016-05-30 22:24] ID=92 Stompy: that right?
[2016-05-30 22:26] ID=93 Rassah: If that's your Colu address, that's your Colu address. Copy/paste it into the dashboard
[2016-05-30 22:27] ID=94 Stompy: OK I did it few days ago.
[2016-05-30 22:27] ID=95 wesam40920: I went to the mycelium token dashboard and put in my colu address
[2016-05-30 22:27] ID=96 wesam40920: Now what
[2016-05-30 22:27] ID=97 Stompy: wait
[2016-05-30 22:29] ID=98 Rassah: Just like HD wallets give new addresses, Colu probably gives new addresses too. But if you make too many blank addresses, you could lose your coins...
[2016-05-30 22:30] ID=99 Stompy: ok
[2016-05-30 22:31] ID=100 Stompy: got it now I use mycelium since 2013
[2016-05-30 22:31] ID=101 Stompy: just backup the private key
[2016-05-30 22:32] ID=102 wesam40920: probably do you know how to use colu Rassah
[2016-05-30 22:33] ID=103 Rassah: Just don't send Mycelium tokens to your Mycelium bitcoin wallet. Sending colored coins to a wallet that is not colored coin aware could destroy them
[2016-05-30 22:33] ID=104 wesam40920: I don't and you are telling us to use a platform that you are not familiar w
[2016-05-30 22:34] ID=105 wesam40920: I didn't receive any tokens yet in my colu account
[2016-05-30 22:34] ID=106 Rassah: It works just like a bitcoin wallet. Just make sure you send Colu colored coins to other colored coin wallets
[2016-05-30 22:35] ID=107 wesam40920: Ok but I updated my mycelium dashboard w the colu address
[2016-05-30 22:35] ID=108 wesam40920: When do I get the token
[2016-05-30 22:38] ID=109 wesam40920: Hello are you still there Rassah
[2016-05-30 22:38] ID=110 RE_ID=108 Rassah: We are sending them out in batches. If you didn't get it today, within the next few days
[2016-05-30 22:40] ID=111 wesam40920: In order of when we purchased the token or in order of when we updated our colu account
[2016-05-30 22:55] ID=112 Rassah: Token purchases
[2016-05-30 23:10] ID=113 df: None
[2016-05-30 23:48] ID=114 Godson_Mansa: hey there rassah 
[2016-05-30 23:48] ID=115 Godson_Mansa: small problem 
[2016-05-30 23:48] ID=116 Godson_Mansa: i don't think i provided and colu address 
[2016-05-30 23:48] ID=117 Godson_Mansa: any*
[2016-05-30 23:48] ID=118 Godson_Mansa: and i can't even see the ico page anymore 
[2016-05-30 23:49] ID=119 Godson_Mansa: sorry but where and how do i collect my coins 
[2016-05-30 23:49] ID=120 Godson_Mansa: thankyou 
[2016-05-30 23:49] ID=121 wksantiago: None
[2016-05-31 00:42] ID=122 Rassah: If you don't provide an address, the tokens will just stay in your account on crowdsale.mycelium.com until you are ready to move them.
[2016-05-31 00:57] ID=123 RE_ID=122 Godson_Mansa: done ty for that 👍
[2016-05-31 01:57] ID=124 Superart: How can I invite someone into the chat?
[2016-05-31 02:00] ID=125 FloridaBitcoiner: None
[2016-05-31 02:05] ID=126 RE_ID=124 Rassah: Invite link is https://telegram.me/MyceliumWallet
[2016-05-31 02:05] ID=127 Superart: 👍
[2016-05-31 02:41] ID=128 collincrypto: None
[2016-05-31 02:44] ID=129 bdavid1122: None
[2016-05-31 03:02] ID=130 bitcoindude: None
[2016-05-31 03:06] ID=131 goodc0re: None
[2016-05-31 03:08] ID=132 goodc0re: Hi - I participated in crowdsale .. however the colu.co site has not been working for me at all ..
[2016-05-31 03:15] ID=133 Superart: 
[2016-05-31 03:45] ID=134 Superart: 
[2016-05-31 03:45] ID=135 Superart: 
[2016-05-31 03:53] ID=136 Rassah: Colu works fine for me...
[2016-05-31 04:01] ID=137 goodc0re: I try to log in .. with my e-mail address .. "invalid username"
[2016-05-31 04:01] ID=138 poundcakedotcom: None
[2016-05-31 04:02] ID=139 goodc0re: When I try to verify my email address  and click the link in the email I get a page with nothing but "Not authorized - no"
[2016-05-31 04:03] ID=140 goodc0re: No more text or solutions .. come on .. how can somebody make sense of that ?
[2016-05-31 04:03] ID=141 goodc0re: I have a support ticket open unanswered for 4 days (3322)
[2016-05-31 04:05] ID=142 goodc0re: I had previously completed the signing of the agreement
[2016-05-31 04:05] ID=143 goodc0re: I like Mycelium .. I supported the mycelium entropy device too
[2016-05-31 04:06] ID=144 goodc0re: Just this token sale funtionality  doesn't seem to have been tested very well ..
[2016-05-31 04:17] ID=145 CryptoJimmy: None
[2016-05-31 04:38] ID=146 RE_ID=144 Rassah: It was unfortunately done way way too hastily. I don't know what the CEO's reasoning for it was, but it was all coded up about a week before the sale started.
[2016-05-31 04:39] ID=147 Rassah: Sorry no one didn't get to your support email. Some are away during the weekend, others have been busy these last few days. Can you try to reset the password?
[2016-05-31 04:39] ID=149 jerryd_SKMdo: drunk coding has its limits
[2016-05-31 04:40] ID=150 jerryd_SKMdo: hey no fair, you edited the post.  didn't know you could do that in telegram
[2016-05-31 04:40] ID=151 Rassah: The tokens work fine. Colu has been around for a while and works well. Just our dashboard site is still a bit buggy. But once you get your tokens, it doesn't really on us any more
[2016-05-31 04:41] ID=152 Rassah: New feature
[2016-05-31 04:44] ID=153 BitcoinKhaleesi: @Rassah how did I miss the crowd sale??! *feels retarded*
[2016-05-31 04:45] ID=154 Rassah: I give up, how?
[2016-05-31 04:45] ID=155 BitcoinKhaleesi: Haha
[2016-05-31 04:45] ID=156 BitcoinKhaleesi: I was too late.
[2016-05-31 06:21] ID=157 Stompy: Colu is a beta platform.
[2016-05-31 06:21] ID=158 Stompy: -_-
[2016-05-31 07:11] ID=159 favdesu: You can export the keys
[2016-05-31 07:11] ID=160 favdesu: I guess it works with coinprism for example
[2016-05-31 13:37] ID=161 Rassah: You can also let the coins sit on the dashboard and just wait until we add support to our own wallet too
[2016-05-31 13:38] ID=162 RE_ID=157 Rassah: Well technically so is bitcoin :D
[2016-05-31 13:40] ID=163 bdavid1122: If  I remove the colu wallet address will my tokens stay on the dashboard or is it to late to change where they will be set once adding the address
[2016-05-31 13:58] ID=164 Rassah: They will probably stay on the dashboard
[2016-05-31 15:25] ID=165 uporo: Probably :D
[2016-05-31 15:26] ID=166 uporo: Ok
[2016-05-31 15:30] ID=167 Rassah: Yeah, they will stay on the dashboard. Address cleared and confirmation that we won't send to that one received
[2016-05-31 15:31] ID=168 goodc0re: So if I dont do anything with colu.co .. no problem, right?
[2016-05-31 15:35] ID=169 Rassah: Yes
[2016-05-31 15:35] ID=170 goodc0re: Great I'll wait
[2016-05-31 17:55] ID=171 bitcoindude: None
[2016-05-31 18:24] ID=172 sabotagebeats: I'm waiting for the wallet upgrade as well. I'm getting certificate errors for colu
[2016-05-31 19:06] ID=173 Rassah: We bugged them about it, and they have two of their devs working on it
[2016-05-31 20:10] ID=174 llewdis: None
[2016-05-31 20:14] ID=175 llewdis: If tokens are sent in batches based on purchase order, does that mean with multiple purchases you will receive multiple transactions?
[2016-05-31 20:15] ID=176 Rassah: Don't know. Maybe, unless we organized them by email
[2016-05-31 20:16] ID=177 Rassah: Mycelium just helped Colu find a somewhat serious bug in the bitcoinjs library. Nothing lost, but Colu devs will take some time to fix.\nSee? Even if it's not wallet specific, Mycelium still contributes to the bitcoin infrastructure :)
[2016-05-31 20:18] ID=178 favdesu: or you could've just used counter tokens for example
[2016-05-31 20:23] ID=179 Rassah: We could've. Not my decision
[2016-05-31 20:24] ID=180 Rassah: The whole token sale idea was entirely our CEOs decision. He has very little to do with the wallet outside of paying dev salaries. Usually we never hear from him
[2016-05-31 20:25] ID=181 Rassah: But if we didn't use them, bitcoinjs would still have that bug, and that library is used by a lot of wallets
[2016-05-31 20:27] ID=182 favdesu: that's great of course
[2016-05-31 20:28] ID=183 Rassah: Mycelium: Innovating on the edge of progress 😄
[2016-05-31 20:37] ID=184 wksantiago: @rasaah now that I log into Colu in the dashboard there is still no assets under Manage Assets\nand when i try to receive asset there is a different address not the one I have configured in Mycelium Token Dashboard\nis this normal?\nI got an email indicating that my tokens where sent
[2016-05-31 20:38] ID=185 wksantiago: You can see the transaction here:\n4bda13db7eb7227b8561b23f88a2a865e3d169a0b3af8b7b3a3f9a924e955eb3
[2016-05-31 20:40] ID=186 wksantiago: The receive address in Colu, is different as of today that I logged in in
[2016-05-31 20:41] ID=187 bitcoindude: Anyone know of any exchanges planning on adding the token for trade?
[2016-05-31 20:42] ID=188 RE_ID=186 favdesu: Same as mycelium. It gets addresses from a seed. They are reusable AFAIK
[2016-05-31 20:44] ID=189 RE_ID=184 Rassah: Every time you ask to receive an asset, you'll obviously get a new address. It assumes you are sending requests to different people and want to use different addresses so you don't mix them up. That's how HD wallets work in general. Or are supposed to.
[2016-05-31 20:44] ID=190 llewdis: No but I am looking to buy. So also interested if there will ba an exchange trading these.
[2016-05-31 20:47] ID=191 RE_ID=185 Rassah: But that bug I mentioned, 18 users got caught up in it. So you will see the transaction on the blockchain, but the tokens won't show up in Colu until it's fixed. Their devs told us it will take a few days.
[2016-05-31 20:48] ID=192 wksantiago: Perfect thanks
[2016-05-31 20:48] ID=193 wksantiago: 👍
[2016-05-31 21:32] ID=194 Superart: What was the bug?
[2016-05-31 21:43] ID=195 Rassah: Too technical for me, but basically if a transaction has too much data, it doesn't show up
[2016-05-31 21:45] ID=196 Superart: Oh, is that to do with the ut/xo issue they mentioned on BU?
[2016-05-31 21:46] ID=197 Rassah: No idea
[2016-05-31 21:46] ID=198 Rassah: But we tried to send to 20 people, and 18 of them got stuck
[2016-05-31 21:46] ID=199 Superart: If you listen to the last eppisode,  they talk about it at 2:31
[2016-05-31 23:17] ID=200 Rassah: None
[2016-06-01 04:09] ID=201 grassfedgoat: None
[2016-06-01 04:09] ID=202 grassfedgoat: Just read through this, my tokens also aren't appearing yet.
[2016-06-01 04:09] ID=203 grassfedgoat: I'll give it a few days then check back
[2016-06-01 08:43] ID=204 mishax1: So I understand that you (mycelium) never used Colu..  What made you want to issue the tokens on that platform?
[2016-06-01 11:59] ID=205 Kalon: None
[2016-06-01 14:28] ID=206 Liedes: None
[2016-06-01 17:22] ID=207 BitKralj: None
[2016-06-01 17:22] ID=208 RE_ID=204 Rassah: It seemed like the best option for our needs
[2016-06-01 17:23] ID=209 Stompy: to the moon xD
[2016-06-01 17:23] ID=210 BitKralj: Hi guys, one question. Were the mycelium tokens already distributed to our Colu wallets?
[2016-06-01 17:25] ID=211 Renocoin: Not to me
[2016-06-01 17:25] ID=212 BitKralj: same here, thats why I'm asking
[2016-06-01 17:25] ID=213 Renocoin: Yes I am still waiting
[2016-06-01 17:25] ID=214 Stompy: for 99% of buyers
[2016-06-01 17:26] ID=215 BitKralj: so whats the problem?
[2016-06-01 17:27] ID=216 Stompy: it look amateurish start
[2016-06-01 17:27] ID=217 Stompy: it's the first ico I buy and no one know what is going....
[2016-06-01 17:29] ID=218 Stompy: I on icos from nxt xcp eth..  long time on this world.  never see progression like dat
[2016-06-01 17:31] ID=219 llewdis: bitcoinjs apparently has a significant bug that was discovered during the issuing of the mycelium tokens.  eta is a couple of days to get it fixed/tested/sorted
[2016-06-01 17:31] ID=220 RE_ID=210 Rassah: Not all of them. Very few in fact. We had over 1000 buyers, so it will take a while, and the second batch we sent on Monday we discovered a bug in Colu's system that it will take them a few days to clear out. Those tokens got sent, but won't actually show up until the bug is fixed. We'll keep sending the rest out, but because we want to make sure everything is correct, it may be a bit slow
[2016-06-01 17:31] ID=221 Stompy: I buy MIT!!!!  not btc
[2016-06-01 17:32] ID=222 Stompy: don't carle of Mikey hern bugs
[2016-06-01 17:32] ID=223 Stompy: care
[2016-06-01 17:32] ID=224 Rassah: Just the 18 or so that got stuck with that bug will be affected. The rest should continue to get distributed
[2016-06-01 17:33] ID=225 Renocoin: Ok rassah I can wait for a while please fix the bugs asap
[2016-06-01 17:34] ID=226 Stompy: this old bug
[2016-06-01 17:34] ID=227 Stompy: u should know it
[2016-06-01 17:34] ID=228 Stompy: if u in bitcoin space
[2016-06-01 17:34] ID=229 Stompy: and Mike talk on it
[2016-06-01 17:36] ID=230 Rassah: Colu didn't know about it, but it may be a different bug
[2016-06-01 17:36] ID=231 Superart: Rassah, I don't know how much they pay you to deal with all this, but whatever it is, it can't be enough.
[2016-06-01 17:36] ID=232 llewdis: agreed
[2016-06-01 17:37] ID=233 Stompy: u should know.  u a wallet.......  service omg
[2016-06-01 17:37] ID=234 Rassah: And all you guys asking to get the tokens asap... you're just hoping to sell and get rid of them, aren't you 😭
[2016-06-01 17:37] ID=235 Stompy: I know the Colu
[2016-06-01 17:37] ID=236 Stompy: I from israel
[2016-06-01 17:37] ID=237 Stompy: it's here
[2016-06-01 17:37] ID=238 grassfedgoat: Not at all... i'm looking to buy more when people dump hahahahha
[2016-06-01 17:37] ID=239 Stompy: know him before he did colu
[2016-06-01 17:37] ID=240 Rassah: Go bug them for us then
[2016-06-01 17:37] ID=241 llewdis: Same here
[2016-06-01 17:38] ID=242 Stompy: I buy from u
[2016-06-01 17:38] ID=243 Stompy: not from colu
[2016-06-01 17:38] ID=244 Rassah: Either way it uses Colu platform
[2016-06-01 17:40] ID=245 grassfedgoat: i'm excited to see how this all works out
[2016-06-01 17:41] ID=246 grassfedgoat: i kinda see the mycelium tokens like asicminer shares
[2016-06-01 17:41] ID=247 grassfedgoat: they're either gonna be worth 0 or something, and it will depend on factors years from now
[2016-06-01 17:42] ID=248 grassfedgoat: ie: asicminer shares or shares in any mining company that pay dividends denominated in btc is the closest you can come to owning shares in the fed
[2016-06-01 17:42] ID=249 grassfedgoat: but as this ecosystem evolves, and different parts of it start to replace existing systems there will be many more opportunities
[2016-06-01 18:31] ID=250 favdesu: really love mycelium, but it don't know why you chose an untested, not working beta platform for tokens. there are so many alternatives
[2016-06-01 20:11] ID=251 Rassah: We've actually used Colu for a while, generally without problems. It's only when we taxed it with so many transactions in one spend that we started finding problems
[2016-06-01 20:12] ID=252 Rassah: We have been experimenting with using them in Mycelium Card for fiat currencies
[2016-06-01 20:21] ID=253 sabotagebeats: Is anyone trading tokens on exchange? I'd love to buy more on dump.
[2016-06-01 20:21] ID=254 RE_ID=250 sabotagebeats: I agree it would have been nice to see counterparty
[2016-06-01 20:26] ID=255 grassfedgoat: agreed
[2016-06-01 20:26] ID=256 grassfedgoat: xcp already tried and tested, plus would be a great "first real asset" to have on there
[2016-06-01 21:02] ID=257 favdesu: 
[2016-06-01 21:02] ID=258 favdesu: This site is passing me off already
[2016-06-01 21:04] ID=259 favdesu: Kind of unexpected from a mobile app provider to choose something like this :/
[2016-06-01 21:22] ID=260 Rassah: As I said, we choose it to be able to implement it into our Mycelium Card, among other things. They mainly just provide the platform. And I guess a Colu wallet app.
[2016-06-01 21:22] ID=261 Rassah: Eventually all of that will be built into the current wallet anyway
[2016-06-01 21:27] ID=262 Godson_Mansa: NXT is a thing, and about that "Strategic Partnership" with waves you guys were raving about earlier ?
[2016-06-01 21:28] ID=263 Stompy: the bug is fixed?
[2016-06-01 21:28] ID=264 Rassah: NXT is not a bitcoin thing. We're a bitcoin company
[2016-06-01 21:29] ID=265 Rassah: Yeah, they fixed it. Will still take a while to clear though
[2016-06-01 21:29] ID=266 Stompy: kk.  so u say the platform for the   token will be Colu?
[2016-06-01 21:30] ID=267 Rassah: It is the platform for the token. We already issued the tokens
[2016-06-01 21:30] ID=268 Stompy: for the future
[2016-06-01 21:30] ID=269 Stompy: ?
[2016-06-01 21:31] ID=270 Rassah: No, right now
[2016-06-01 21:31] ID=271 Rassah: Last Monday
[2016-06-01 21:31] ID=272 Stompy: ok
[2016-06-01 21:33] ID=273 ???: None
[2016-06-01 22:32] ID=274 AlenaSatoshi: None
[2016-06-01 22:32] ID=275 AlenaSatoshi: Hello Mycelium!
[2016-06-01 23:22] ID=276 Rassah: Hi
[2016-06-01 23:23] ID=277 RE_ID=276 grassfedgoat: Regardless of which platform you use for the tokens (you're obviously using colu), I think xcp (counterparty) integration into the wallet would be interesting to look at down the line
[2016-06-01 23:24] ID=278 Rassah: Sure. We won't add it ourselves though. We have enough work just keeping up with bitcoin itself
[2016-06-01 23:24] ID=279 Rassah: But hopefully it will be way enough for others to add with the new wallet
[2016-06-01 23:25] ID=280 grassfedgoat: Understood. As the eco-system evolves, if there are actual assets traded on xcp that would be a really nice feature to have on your phone as part of an itegrated wallet solution. If things head that way, I would imagine they would obviously create their own as well.
[2016-06-01 23:25] ID=281 Rassah: Their own plugin for our wallet I hope
[2016-06-01 23:26] ID=282 grassfedgoat: Exactly my thoughts
[2016-06-02 01:42] ID=284 ???: None
[2016-06-02 03:56] ID=285 jimmyhomma: None
[2016-06-02 05:22] ID=286 favdesu: Received the tokens Btw
[2016-06-02 05:31] ID=287 Rassah: 👍
[2016-06-02 05:32] ID=288 Talon8Ya: Looking forward to when Mycelium Wallet itself can hold the tokens.
[2016-06-02 05:32] ID=289 Talon8Ya: 🍻🍺😃
[2016-06-02 05:33] ID=290 llewdis: 😁
[2016-06-02 05:36] ID=291 Rassah: Now, if you got your tokens, don't forget the first rule of bitcoin investing
[2016-06-02 05:36] ID=292 Rassah: Buy high, sell low
[2016-06-02 05:37] ID=293 Talon8Ya: LOL
[2016-06-02 05:38] ID=294 llewdis: Indeed.
[2016-06-02 05:39] ID=295 favdesu: I don't intend to sell
[2016-06-02 05:43] ID=296 llewdis: I intend to profit
[2016-06-02 05:48] ID=297 favdesu: I'd take dividend based shares :)
[2016-06-02 05:56] ID=298 ???: will there be a prepump on yobit?
[2016-06-02 07:26] ID=299 Bitcoin_boy: Hi Rassah, when do u think the tokens will be integrated into the Mycellium wallet? Thanks
[2016-06-02 07:26] ID=300 RE_ID=292 sabotagebeats: Lol
[2016-06-02 07:27] ID=301 RE_ID=279 sabotagebeats: Is there a released api?
[2016-06-02 10:06] ID=302 RE_ID=253 uporo: There are tokens already?
[2016-06-02 13:27] ID=303 RE_ID=292 BitcoinKhaleesi: Lol!!!
[2016-06-02 15:00] ID=304 udiWertheimer: Hello Rassah,\nI'm here to represent a large group of experienced crypto investors from Israel. Together we put in a significant portion of the Mycelium crowdsale.\n\nI'd like to voice our concerns regarding the sale, and the current status of token distribution:\n\n1. As we all know, token distribution is taking a lot longer than expected. If I understand previous messages here correctly, only 18 investors got their tokens this far. Excuse me for being blunt, but this is laughable. There is no reason this should be taking so long, considering you started Monday - and Monday was already after you guys postponed the distribution twice.\n\n2. There is also no proof given that you indeed distributed tokens to the small amount of investors that you claim you distributed them to. One of the advantages of using the open bitcoin blockchain (and Colu), is that you can easily prove that. We demand that you release the the Asset ID of the final mycelium token, so that we can view its details at http://coloredcoins.org/explorer, and see how many Mycelium Tokens were issued, and where it was distributed to. I'd like to stress that this results in no loss of privacy for investors - this is public data anyway, but we need to know the Asset ID in order to be able to track your progress.\n\n3. The fact that you guys didn't have a working automated tool ready before you started the crowdsale (or at least before it ended) to distribute the tokens is deeply concerning. You should have built the tool and test it thouroughly before ever going live on the crowdsale. Any bugs you found with Colu/bitcoinjs should have been found then. Seeing as Colu is an established platform you shouldn't have had any problems doing that. We always assumed you already took time to do that, and the fact that you didn't hurts your reputation and might affect our decisions in the future with regards to this investment.\n\n4. You mentioned a bug in Colu/bitcoinjs that caused some problem for you. We'd like you to disclose the exact technical nature of that bug, and whether or not it was solved or not. If not, we might be able to help. This is an open community and there's no reason why not to disclose details about the bug.\n\n4. We also believe you should be doing more to work with exchanges and make sure they support trading your tokens. This is not only good for people who want to sell - any asset that remains illiquid may lose value quickly and this hurts holders and buyers as well. We ask that you detail more about the plan to integrate with exchanges, including timetables.\n\n5. You keep saying again and again the "the CEO" came up with the idea of the crowdsale just recently, and demanded that you do it quickly, and you guys claim that this is why things are so rocky right now. First, allow me to say that this is a very unprofessional thing to say. As investors, we do not care how the decision came to be, we care about the company executes. And the fact that you "throw the CEO under the bus" doesn't look good for the company as a whole. Since the company is now (or soon will be) publicly traded (more or less), you probably shouldn't be making such statements.\n\n6. In any case, seeing as we put a large sum of money into your company, we believe the CEO himself should make a detailed statement to us, the investors, explain why things went out like they did, and what's the course of action to fix the problems as soon as possible. I think we paid enough money for him to do that. As of yet we heard nothing from him.\n\nIn summary, I would like to make it clear that we believe in Mycelium Wallet and its future. However we are very concerned about the way the company handled the sale and distrbution so far, and believe we are entitled to better explanations.\n\nThank you and good luck
[2016-06-02 15:15] ID=312 llewdis: I got my tokens.
[2016-06-02 15:26] ID=313 Jenncla: None
[2016-06-02 15:26] ID=314 udiWertheimer: That's great to hear. Thanks. Can you share the Asset ID for the tokens?
[2016-06-02 15:28] ID=315 llewdis: Sure
[2016-06-02 15:33] ID=316 llewdis: LaA8aiRBha2BcC6PCqMuK8xzZqdA3Lb6VVv41K\n\nutxo:  5fc380e853e250ce6a8ce5ca48c25f6e30d80a62147de8dcaed8c78e96944322
[2016-06-02 15:33] ID=317 udiWertheimer: Thanks!
[2016-06-02 15:34] ID=318 llewdis: Sure processed 2016-06-02 14:47:48
[2016-06-02 15:35] ID=319 udiWertheimer: If anyone's interested, this asset can be explored here: http://coloredcoins.org/explorer/asset/LaA8aiRBha2BcC6PCqMuK8xzZqdA3Lb6VVv41K/5babce48bfeecbcca827bfea5a655df66b3abd529e1f93c1264cb07dbe2bffe8/0\n\nSeems like 41 transfers so far\n\nEDIT: I was wrong. there are 244 holders
[2016-06-02 15:36] ID=320 RE_ID=304 Rassah: 1) About 250 received their tokens so far, and there distribution should be faster now that we finished testing a script to automate it. The 18 only got snagged by a bug that Colu is working to resolve. Unfortunately we just have one dev working on the distribution, since we are a bit short on staff and all our other devs are working on the wallet.\n2) The link to the asset was provided in the emails sent out, but we might as well make it public now http://coloredcoins.org/explorer/asset/LaA8aiRBha2BcC6PCqMuK8xzZqdA3Lb6VVv41K/1a40053161337fe5b23eceb21e13d582dc2cdc7bfef339c5bdb50abcaa71d2db/2\n3) I don't know why they wanted to get the token sale done so quickly and so rushed. I have asked and will relay their answer. My guess is it had to do with Consensus conference where our CEO was going to travel to and meet with large investors and heads of mining companies. The whole thing was set up in the week prior to the sale, bugs and features were resolved and added during the sale, and ways to automated were added after. We have used Colu for a long time now, experimenting with it for sending assets with our Bitcoin Card, but we never had a use case such as with our tokens, where we had to create massive  transactions. Theoretically they should've worked same as sending huge bitcoin transactions, and it did work as a transaction, but the problem is Colu didn't recognize the asset part of it. So this wasn't even something we were concerned about. Wrongly. Personally I was against rushing it as we did, but I'm not in charge.
[2016-06-02 15:43] ID=321 Rassah: 5. Just being honest. If someone does something questionable, I'm not going to hide it or protect them. You do seem to care as to what happened, since you're asking about it. I'm letting you know. If he had reasons, I'm still waiting to know what they were, and will relay them. I assume they were good reasons \n6) Overall the problems are still fairly minor, from our point of view. Distribution shouldn't take much longer, and only 18 users got snagged by a bug, which didn't actually lose any assets, just don't allow them to see that they have it. However, they may seem larger from your all point of view, which is what really matters, and we're sorry for any lack of communication that may have caused that.
[2016-06-02 15:48] ID=322 udiWertheimer: Rassah, thank you for the detailed response.\nI'm happy to hear that things are picking up pace. I hope you can share how long you think distribution is going to take until it finishes. An approximation is of course fine. A day? A week? More?\n\nI also hope you can address my question about exchanges. See one of the two questions that I wrongly numbered as 4 :P
[2016-06-02 15:50] ID=323 RE_ID=304 ???: +1
[2016-06-02 15:50] ID=324 udiWertheimer: I also would like to ask that you relay to the CEO that we ask that he makes a statement of his own, addressing those concerns. I understand that you of course aren't in charge of his decisions, and we'd feel better if we could read his own response. A blog post, penned by him, would make sense.
[2016-06-02 15:51] ID=325 Rassah: Regarding the bug, this is from Colu engineer:\nWhat happens is that when the data size is equal or larger than OP_PUSHDATA1 (76), there's a need to push an OP_PUSHDATA before the encoding of the data size.\nIn our case, the data size was 77, which is larger than OP_PUSHDATA1, and therefore the encoding started with 0x6a4c4d - which is: OP_RETURN + OP_PUSHDATA1 + dataSize, where '+' means concatenation.\nThe bug was in the block-explorer, which looked for the colored-coins data start (the 0x4343 CC prefix) after 2 bytes, instead of after the correct byte, depending on OP_PUSHDATA and the number of bytes it indicate to read after for data.
[2016-06-02 16:06] ID=326 BTCturbo: None
[2016-06-02 16:27] ID=327 udiWertheimer: thanks for detailing the bug. that makes sense
[2016-06-02 16:29] ID=328 udiWertheimer: Also, Rassah, I'm a registered investor but didn't receive an email with the link to the asset. Perhaps I'm missing some communication? Are you sure this was emailed to all participants? I did receive other emails about the crowdsale
[2016-06-02 16:30] ID=329 Rassah: The email was to people to whom tokens were distributed.
[2016-06-02 16:30] ID=330 Stompy: I don't get  any mail like dat
[2016-06-02 16:30] ID=331 udiWertheimer: I see. Maybe send it out to anyone who contributed? I think this makes sense...
[2016-06-02 17:04] ID=332 Stompy: me2
[2016-06-02 17:05] ID=333 favdesu: the email is sent out to anyone that received tokens as far as I know
[2016-06-02 17:06] ID=334 favdesu: I got one afterwards
[2016-06-02 17:06] ID=335 BitKralj: I just got that email.
[2016-06-02 17:07] ID=336 udiWertheimer: @Rassah it seems that after our correspondence, some of us are already getting the tokens. Definitely feels like you guys are picking up pace. Much appreciated
[2016-06-02 17:08] ID=337 BitKralj: And I can already see the transaction 👍
[2016-06-02 17:09] ID=338 bdavid1122: Nothing here yet
[2016-06-02 17:27] ID=339 Rassah: Yeah, we finished the automation script last night, and started using it this morning. I'm told majority of tokens should be distributed by tomorrow evening.
[2016-06-02 17:29] ID=340 Rassah: There are some people who did not provide a Colu address, choosing to keep them with us until they're ready to send them elsewhere, and 345 out of ~1,000 users who did not sign MTSA. We can't send them tokens until they do.
[2016-06-02 17:46] ID=341 Stompy: 
[2016-06-02 17:48] ID=342 llewdis: Congrats
[2016-06-02 17:49] ID=343 Stompy: 
[2016-06-02 17:49] ID=344 Stompy: this going for long now
[2016-06-02 18:23] ID=345 Liedes: so when and where can we trade these tokens ?
[2016-06-02 18:34] ID=346 Rassah: Don't know yet. You can send them to someone else directly if you wish.
[2016-06-02 18:48] ID=347 renancamargo: I'm selling 0.5MT
[2016-06-02 18:54] ID=348 llewdis: How much
[2016-06-02 19:41] ID=349 Rassah: https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/4m8yxj/mycelium_is_hiring_devs/
[2016-06-02 20:23] ID=350 RE_ID=347 sabotagebeats: How much?
[2016-06-02 20:29] ID=351 Liedes: I don't even know why I bought it seems like a fun thing to get scammed
[2016-06-02 20:30] ID=352 Rassah: I don't think Mycelium will be scamming while I'm working there...
[2016-06-02 20:31] ID=353 Liedes: if we aren't able to trade the tokens what is that then ? sounds like a free money to u anyway
[2016-06-02 20:32] ID=354 Rassah: What do you mean you can't trade tokens? You can send them just like regular bitcoins. I just don't know when an exchange will have full trading support
[2016-06-02 20:34] ID=355 Liedes: guess they r worth every cent then I'm just messing around
[2016-06-02 20:35] ID=356 Liedes: don't bother about me
[2016-06-02 20:53] ID=357 Godson_Mansa: @Rassah could you take a second to tell me what the tokens are for again, will they be receiving dividends or something ? what gives them value. at least point me to a place where i can read about it. 
[2016-06-02 22:26] ID=358 RE_ID=356 sabotagebeats: You can sell them to me if you like
[2016-06-02 22:27] ID=359 Liedes: no thanks
[2016-06-02 22:28] ID=360 RE_ID=357 Rassah: They are stake ownership of the wallet subsidiary portion of the company
[2016-06-02 22:29] ID=361 Rassah: If you own the token, you own a % of that corp
[2016-06-02 22:30] ID=362 Rassah: So if the corp grows in value, so will your stake. And if the wallet starts making profit, they'll probably be converted to something that pays dividends. For now it's just a growth investment, not a cashflow investment, since there's very little cashflow
[2016-06-02 22:37] ID=363 ???: None
[2016-06-03 00:18] ID=364 Godson_Mansa: well then get em to an exchange quick. lol
[2016-06-03 03:48] ID=365 AlexRuski: None
[2016-06-03 06:08] ID=366 RE_ID=364 favdesu: Nervous day trader detected
[2016-06-03 14:06] ID=367 ???: you can trade them ots
[2016-06-03 14:06] ID=368 ???: otc
[2016-06-03 14:06] ID=369 ???: but without a prepump on yobit the tokens will be worth shit 😜
[2016-06-03 19:51] ID=370 RE_ID=366 Godson_Mansa: you literally cannot get them to an exchange, yes i'm a trader not an investor, if i was to invest i'd have put in way more and forgotten about it, i just didn't do my research properly i wouldn't invested what i did. 
[2016-06-03 19:54] ID=371 Godson_Mansa: and no i'm not nervous, too little invested to be, but still there's nothing to give these assets value cos they're a very little part of the company.  
[2016-06-03 19:56] ID=372 favdesu: Well said
[2016-06-03 19:58] ID=373 RE_ID=372 Godson_Mansa: even with all them misspellings grammar mistakes and forgotten words ? 😃
[2016-06-03 20:08] ID=374 favdesu: only judged the content :D
[2016-06-04 00:49] ID=375 ???: None
[2016-06-04 03:12] ID=376 AROMACOMPUTERS: This does mean...  That each 1.0 BTC bought you 0. 00000936%, of the wallet company portion, of Mycelium.  Correct?
[2016-06-04 03:12] ID=377 AROMACOMPUTERS: These might change if we find some last minute issues, but\nTotal  MT to be issued: 5310.7836 MT\n\nDetailed breakdown:\nEarly birds: 1271.0505 MT \nMycelium:   21.0382 MT\nStandard:    3929.9338 MT
[2016-06-04 03:16] ID=378 RE_ID=376 Godson_Mansa: i haven't done the math but yeah something like that.  
[2016-06-04 03:17] ID=379 AROMACOMPUTERS: 0.05 / 5310.7836\npretty simple
[2016-06-04 03:18] ID=380 Godson_Mansa: what ?
[2016-06-04 03:18] ID=381 AROMACOMPUTERS: the math..
[2016-06-04 03:18] ID=382 Godson_Mansa: it's 5% of the company right ?
[2016-06-04 03:18] ID=383 AROMACOMPUTERS: right represented as 0.05
[2016-06-04 03:19] ID=384 Godson_Mansa: okay 5% = 5000btc 
[2016-06-04 03:20] ID=385 Godson_Mansa: so 1btc invested gives you 0.0005% of the company 
[2016-06-04 03:20] ID=386 Godson_Mansa: 0.005%
[2016-06-04 03:21] ID=387 AROMACOMPUTERS: 0.05÷5310.7836\n0.000009415
[2016-06-04 03:22] ID=388 Godson_Mansa: what is the 0.05 and what the unit for the 0.0000000009 number you're getting ?
[2016-06-04 03:23] ID=389 Godson_Mansa: okay so here's another way to look at it 
[2016-06-04 03:23] ID=390 Godson_Mansa: if 5000btc = 5%
[2016-06-04 03:24] ID=391 Godson_Mansa: then 100% = 100,000 lol 
[2016-06-04 03:24] ID=392 AROMACOMPUTERS: 0.05 is 5% isnt it
[2016-06-04 03:24] ID=393 llewdis: 5/100 = .05 the percentage of the company for sale\n5310.786 = the total invested to purchase the 5%\n0.000009415 = the % of company per 1BTC
[2016-06-04 03:24] ID=394 Godson_Mansa: so a 1 BTC investor hold 0.001% paercentage share in the comany 
[2016-06-04 03:24] ID=395 Rassah: 5310.7836 / 5% = 106215.672 total MT in company.\n1 / 106215.672 = .0000094148065
[2016-06-04 03:25] ID=396 Godson_Mansa: oh 0.05 is the percentage for sale 
[2016-06-04 03:26] ID=397 Rassah: Or another way, the company is worth about $45,000,000, a BTC at the time of close was about $480, so $480/$45,000,000 = 0.000001 or so
[2016-06-04 03:26] ID=398 Godson_Mansa: wtf kinda valuation ? holyshit, does the wallet earn you a pass into mormon heaven ?  
[2016-06-04 03:27] ID=399 Rassah: It's better than $75,000,000 Blockchain.info wallet valuation
[2016-06-04 03:27] ID=400 Rassah: And yes, future planned feature
[2016-06-04 03:27] ID=401 llewdis: that is the imputed value assuming that if all of the company was sold for the same BTC to % for 100% of company.  not a true valuation.
[2016-06-04 03:28] ID=402 Godson_Mansa: that is literally the valuation we gave it 
[2016-06-04 03:29] ID=403 Godson_Mansa: 2 wrongs don't make a wright don't give that blockchain.info thing 
[2016-06-04 03:30] ID=404 Godson_Mansa: lol mycelium = waves + Lisk * 2.3
[2016-06-04 03:31] ID=405 Rassah: Sounds right
[2016-06-04 03:32] ID=406 Godson_Mansa: *he quietly leaves to go find a way to dump*
[2016-06-04 03:32] ID=407 RE_ID=398 AROMACOMPUTERS: mormons know you were in the cult
[2016-06-04 03:33] ID=408 AROMACOMPUTERS: or not
[2016-06-04 03:33] ID=409 Godson_Mansa: their heaven is best, 72 virgins got nothing on a planet to rule as a god with 200 wives 
[2016-06-04 03:35] ID=410 Superart: Holy shit that is a better deal.  Do the Muslims know this?
[2016-06-04 03:35] ID=411 Godson_Mansa: lol no they have no IDEA!!!
[2016-06-04 03:35] ID=412 Superart: We should send their missionaries ti isis country
[2016-06-04 03:36] ID=413 Godson_Mansa: Mormon missionaries == no more Isis 
[2016-06-04 03:36] ID=414 Godson_Mansa: who knew
[2016-06-04 03:36] ID=415 Godson_Mansa: contact FBI quick 
[2016-06-04 03:36] ID=416 RE_ID=415 AROMACOMPUTERS: no need their monitoring
[2016-06-04 03:37] ID=417 Godson_Mansa: yeah but we need to take credit 
[2016-06-04 03:37] ID=418 Superart: Be like.  Listen you guys, we can give you more than twice the virgins, and you dont have to fight anyone.  Once a week, ride around town in a bike.  Noone will want to talk to you anyway,  so it's a really easy job.   And we'll even throw in a free planet.  Whataya say
[2016-06-04 03:37] ID=419 Godson_Mansa: hahahahahaha
[2016-06-04 03:45] ID=420 Godson_Mansa: i wonder how much of that valuation is self inflated ? so they can go to investors and say we were valued at 48mil during our last funding round. 
[2016-06-04 03:45] ID=421 Stompy: do u buy some?
[2016-06-04 03:45] ID=422 Rassah: Self inflated?
[2016-06-04 03:45] ID=423 Stompy: or u just trolling?
[2016-06-04 03:46] ID=424 Godson_Mansa: oh yeah i seeked out this telegram chat just so i can troll it. good job ostrich 
[2016-06-04 03:46] ID=425 RE_ID=422 Godson_Mansa: self bought 
[2016-06-04 03:47] ID=426 Rassah: Oh, zero
[2016-06-04 03:47] ID=427 Godson_Mansa: yeah of course, i believe you.  
[2016-06-04 03:47] ID=428 Rassah: 21 tokens were bought by mycelium employees, mostly devs, and that's it. No managers or owners participated
[2016-06-04 03:48] ID=429 llewdis: by design? or because they already have options?
[2016-06-04 03:48] ID=430 Stompy: cool
[2016-06-04 03:48] ID=431 Godson_Mansa: you're telling me people with working brain poured 5000 BTC into a wallet with this kinda returns ?
[2016-06-04 03:48] ID=432 RE_ID=429 Rassah: Because that would be unethical
[2016-06-04 03:49] ID=433 Godson_Mansa: oh yes, crypto, the home of the ethical 
[2016-06-04 03:49] ID=434 RE_ID=431 Rassah: Specifically because they had working brain. We had a few really big investors investing a few hundred btc
[2016-06-04 03:49] ID=435 Rassah: Crypto is not home of the ethical. That's why Mycelium stands out
[2016-06-04 03:50] ID=436 Stompy: use mycelium since 2013
[2016-06-04 03:50] ID=437 Rassah: Also why I was hired
[2016-06-04 03:50] ID=438 Godson_Mansa: @rassah sorry if i come off a bit bad but you see my point right ? the possible ROI on this thing is horrible, that's like investing into DAO with a few BTC   
[2016-06-04 03:50] ID=439 Rassah: and was willing to join
[2016-06-04 03:51] ID=440 Rassah: Yeah, the ROI could be all over the place. Could be high, could be nothing...
[2016-06-04 03:52] ID=441 Stompy: mycelium wallet will add more crypto like eth at the future?
[2016-06-04 03:52] ID=442 Rassah: If our plans actually pan out, could be high
[2016-06-04 03:52] ID=443 Rassah: Mycelium will be crypto agnostic
[2016-06-04 03:52] ID=444 Stompy: love it!
[2016-06-04 03:53] ID=445 Superart: Is support for colored coins and cp planned any time soon?
[2016-06-04 03:53] ID=446 Godson_Mansa: maybe i'm missing something here cos i haven't actually used the wallet before so i'm ignorant.  
[2016-06-04 03:53] ID=447 Godson_Mansa: is it that great ?
[2016-06-04 03:53] ID=448 Stompy: best wallet so easy to use
[2016-06-04 03:53] ID=449 Godson_Mansa: what does it do ?
[2016-06-04 03:54] ID=450 RE_ID=445 Rassah: Soon as we're done distributing, the dev in charge of that will start working on implementing colored coins in the current wallet
[2016-06-04 03:54] ID=451 Superart: Wait hild on
[2016-06-04 03:54] ID=452 Stompy: every noob can use mycelium wallet.
[2016-06-04 03:54] ID=453 Godson_Mansa: is it just a BTC wallet ?
[2016-06-04 03:54] ID=454 Stompy: download it
[2016-06-04 03:54] ID=455 Superart: @Godson_Mansa you invested in the mycelium token without an understanding of how much equity you are actually getting, AND never having used the wallet itself?
[2016-06-04 03:55] ID=456 RE_ID=399 AROMACOMPUTERS: Getting there... $480×106215.672\n$50,983,522.56\n\n$580×106215.672\n$61,605,089.76
[2016-06-04 03:55] ID=457 Stompy: I invest only coz I use mycelium for long.  + every one I know
[2016-06-04 03:55] ID=458 RE_ID=455 Godson_Mansa: like i said i invested very little, i barely kept up with it, i'm just amazed it actually happened, 5000 BTC !?   
[2016-06-04 03:56] ID=459 Superart: Can I ask what other crypto investments you've made in the past?
[2016-06-04 03:56] ID=460 Godson_Mansa: but seriously is it just a bitcoin wallet ?
[2016-06-04 03:56] ID=461 Stompy: alot
[2016-06-04 03:56] ID=462 Stompy: not only go to website
[2016-06-04 03:57] ID=463 Stompy: learn
[2016-06-04 03:57] ID=464 RE_ID=459 Godson_Mansa: serious ones or just the throw a little BTC in there and hope for the best ?
[2016-06-04 03:57] ID=465 RE_ID=456 Rassah: The valuation is fixed in USD at the price bitcoin was when the sale ended. So it's still at $480 or whatever it was
[2016-06-04 03:57] ID=466 Superart: Yea, but its a pretty darn good one.
[2016-06-04 03:57] ID=467 RE_ID=464 Superart: Both,  if you dont mind.
[2016-06-04 03:57] ID=468 RE_ID=465 AROMACOMPUTERS: you cashed it all
[2016-06-04 03:57] ID=469 Rassah: No, the valuation is just fixed to USD
[2016-06-04 03:57] ID=470 Stompy: 11btc is not little
[2016-06-04 03:57] ID=471 RE_ID=467 Godson_Mansa: oh both is a lot i can't remember 14 maybe 
[2016-06-04 03:58] ID=472 Superart: Did any pan out?
[2016-06-04 03:59] ID=473 Godson_Mansa: hmm currently only failure i remeber is Bitsupra but it was a pure scam and once agian i heard of it just hours before the ICO ended from a good source so i just trusted 
[2016-06-04 03:59] ID=474 Rassah: Mycelium is an advanced wallet that lets you manage multiple various types of bitcoin accounts, and spend from various types of  accounts like paper wallets (including HD and BIP39 encrypted ones), and hardware wallets like Ledger and Trezor, and has support for a whole lot of third party services, like LocalTrader, Coinapult Locks, Glidera, Cashila, probably others I'm forgetting.
[2016-06-04 03:59] ID=475 Renocoin: I have checked my mt asset on colu dashboard thanks rassah
[2016-06-04 03:59] ID=476 Superart: Hmm fair enough.   What did you think you were buying when you paid for the mycelium tokens?
[2016-06-04 04:00] ID=477 Rassah: In the future the plan is to make it a plugin platform, where currencies are plugins, so you can easily add and remove support for any type of crypto, and third party plugins, like it has now, but many many more, from which Mycelium will earn money through revenue sharing or licensing. Like an app store
[2016-06-04 04:01] ID=478 RE_ID=476 Godson_Mansa: i knew what i was buying, i just hadn't done the calc, at 5000 BTC you're not gonna ROI much, i've made x10's before this is not one of them. 
[2016-06-04 04:01] ID=479 Superart: Metacoin support would be a great feature.
[2016-06-04 04:01] ID=480 Stompy: u work with waves platform on this?
[2016-06-04 04:01] ID=481 Rassah: So if things pan out, Mycelium could be the only wallet anyone needs, and one everyone uses, since all the third party support is on it
[2016-06-04 04:01] ID=482 llewdis: i would like decred support
[2016-06-04 04:03] ID=483 Godson_Mansa: i can't stop laughing 
[2016-06-04 04:04] ID=484 Godson_Mansa: we're all fucked 
[2016-06-04 04:04] ID=485 Rassah: I don't intend to be fucked, sorry
[2016-06-04 04:04] ID=486 Godson_Mansa: who valuated this thing Yobit !?
[2016-06-04 04:05] ID=487 Godson_Mansa: lol
[2016-06-04 04:05] ID=488 AROMACOMPUTERS: dutch auction?
[2016-06-04 04:05] ID=489 RE_ID=486 Superart: The wisdom of the crowd.
[2016-06-04 04:05] ID=490 Godson_Mansa: and maybe a little self inflation ? no ? ok 
[2016-06-04 04:06] ID=491 Rassah: No self inflation
[2016-06-04 04:06] ID=492 Superart: It's literally a function of the total amount invested by the crowd.
[2016-06-04 04:06] ID=493 Godson_Mansa: you're 10 times more valuable than Augur ?
[2016-06-04 04:06] ID=494 Superart: So that is not self inflation
[2016-06-04 04:06] ID=495 Rassah: We honestly were hoping to avoid too high of a valuation
[2016-06-04 04:06] ID=496 Godson_Mansa: lol
[2016-06-04 04:06] ID=497 Godson_Mansa: you capped it at 7500 btc 
[2016-06-04 04:06] ID=498 Godson_Mansa: lol
[2016-06-04 04:06] ID=499 Superart: I would say mycelium is more than 10x more useful than auger
[2016-06-04 04:07] ID=500 Rassah: So self inflation would've hurt us too. Not to mention unethical. What's the point of self inflation? We wouldn't be making any extra money, and we'd be screwing our supporters by valuing too high
[2016-06-04 04:07] ID=501 Godson_Mansa: hahahahahahahahahaa 
[2016-06-04 04:07] ID=502 RE_ID=493 Rassah: How does Augur make money?
[2016-06-04 04:07] ID=503 Godson_Mansa: like there aren't 10 other wallets out there 
[2016-06-04 04:07] ID=504 Superart: I think it takes a cut of the bets
[2016-06-04 04:07] ID=505 AROMACOMPUTERS: the valuation was set by the time period the auction was open for.  Not a number that once hit token ceased to be sold.  The auction continued until the preset time and date expired.\nCorrect?
[2016-06-04 04:07] ID=506 llewdis: and they made 2/3 of their limit. pretty damn impressive for what is right now just a functional wallet that alot of people use.
[2016-06-04 04:07] ID=507 Superart: But the real answer is it doesn't
[2016-06-04 04:08] ID=508 RE_ID=503 Rassah: Nothing that already has third party support, no. Only one that comes close is Airbitz
[2016-06-04 04:08] ID=509 llewdis: what i bought into was the vision for where the wallet is going.  if it gets there i think we profit.  if it doesn't, then we funded development that flopped.
[2016-06-04 04:09] ID=510 Godson_Mansa: https://twitter.com/Mansa_Godson/status/738937123408097280
[2016-06-04 04:09] ID=511 Godson_Mansa: all no 
[2016-06-04 04:09] ID=512 RE_ID=503 Rassah: How many app stores are out there? Or variations for platforms that connect businesses to customers, like Amazons, or eBays?
[2016-06-04 04:10] ID=513 AROMACOMPUTERS: ie:  if 50 coins were sold, then thats the valuation.  if 50 gagillian coins were sold, then thats the valuation
[2016-06-04 04:10] ID=514 Godson_Mansa: @rassah maybe i'm ignorant who knows, i'm in this boat with you, but lets not be ostriches  
[2016-06-04 04:11] ID=515 Rassah: Godson, I'm hoping you understand what I'm getting at here. How many app stores are out there? How many Amazons? How many eBays?
[2016-06-04 04:11] ID=516 Godson_Mansa: sorry i don't understand pls explain 
[2016-06-04 04:11] ID=517 Rassah: How many to people actually care about and use?
[2016-06-04 04:12] ID=518 Rassah: Why do people usually buy on Amazon, or usually sell on eBay, or usually use Google Play instead of alternatives?
[2016-06-04 04:12] ID=519 Godson_Mansa: brand i guess 
[2016-06-04 04:13] ID=520 llewdis: they are positioned as the gateways to various other products/vendors that i otherwise wouldn't be able to reach without their infrastructure
[2016-06-04 04:13] ID=521 llewdis: or because i am lazy and familiar with them :)
[2016-06-04 04:13] ID=522 Godson_Mansa: i've never used google pay or amazon lol
[2016-06-04 04:14] ID=523 Rassah: Network effects. Everyone sells on Google Play, Amazon or eBay, because that's where most customers are, and everyone uses Google Play, Amazon, or eBay because that's where the most merchants and the most support is
[2016-06-04 04:14] ID=524 Godson_Mansa: seriously man 2 Lisk's and 2 Waves !? c'mon 
[2016-06-04 04:14] ID=525 Rassah: Same reason most people use Windows. Most people use Windows because most programs are written for it, and most programs are written for it because the most users are on it
[2016-06-04 04:15] ID=526 Rassah: There is nothing like this yet for crypto. No single universal platform to connect crypto businesses (including Lisk, Augur, Etherium, etc) to users. Everyone has their own separate thing still. Kind of like how everyone had their own separate website to sell stuff through
[2016-06-04 04:15] ID=527 Godson_Mansa: ok maybe i just don't know, i might be blind to the fact but where's the OTC thread ?
[2016-06-04 04:17] ID=528 Godson_Mansa: https://twitter.com/Mansa_Godson/status/738937123408097280 8 votes, all no where did your 5000 BTC come from ?
[2016-06-04 04:17] ID=529 Rassah: And with network effect platforms, there is space for one, maybe two options out there. One Amazon one eBay, only two app stores because iOS and Android aren't compatible. So, we hope to be the first to get that space, and if we do, I believe we will completely dominate
[2016-06-04 04:17] ID=530 llewdis: anybody know of a hardware wallet that provides the same universal crypto currency vision?  i hate that my ledger can't do mycelium tokens, decred, BTC and Ethereum
[2016-06-04 04:17] ID=531 Rassah: Trezor added support for Etherium recently
[2016-06-04 04:18] ID=532 llewdis: did they? hadn't heard that
[2016-06-04 04:18] ID=533 llewdis: thanks
[2016-06-04 04:18] ID=534 Rassah: I think the main problem is that there's too few wallets that can do multiple crypto
[2016-06-04 04:18] ID=535 Godson_Mansa: does mycelium do multiple crypto ? 
[2016-06-04 04:18] ID=536 Rassah: That's the plan
[2016-06-04 04:18] ID=537 Godson_Mansa: the plan !?
[2016-06-04 04:19] ID=538 Godson_Mansa: #Rekt 
[2016-06-04 04:19] ID=539 Rassah: That's what the investment is for. To make a wallet that can do multiple crypto
[2016-06-04 04:19] ID=540 llewdis: that is the whole point/vision of the sale of 5% to add all that kind of functionality
[2016-06-04 04:19] ID=541 RE_ID=537 Rassah: Wait wait wait... You thought this investment was in an existing product, and not in tech being built up?
[2016-06-04 04:20] ID=542 Godson_Mansa: they valued themselves at 150,000 BTC ?
[2016-06-04 04:20] ID=543 Godson_Mansa: only offering 5%  ?
[2016-06-04 04:20] ID=544 Rassah: Who did?
[2016-06-04 04:21] ID=545 Godson_Mansa: 5% at 7500 btc = 150k BTC correct ?
[2016-06-04 04:21] ID=546 Godson_Mansa: that was the cap wasn't it ?
[2016-06-04 04:21] ID=547 Godson_Mansa: 7500 btc ?
[2016-06-04 04:21] ID=548 Rassah: Oh, yes
[2016-06-04 04:21] ID=549 RE_ID=542 AROMACOMPUTERS: 106215.672
[2016-06-04 04:22] ID=550 AROMACOMPUTERS: i never knew of a cap
[2016-06-04 04:22] ID=551 Godson_Mansa: nah nah nah that's the valuation we gave them, their cap was 7500 BTC 
[2016-06-04 04:22] ID=552 Rassah: Well, actually what we valued ourselves at wasn't disclosed, nor is relevant, since we're obviously biased. But we capped it at that, in case the community gets a bit too crazy on valuing us
[2016-06-04 04:22] ID=553 RE_ID=551 AROMACOMPUTERS: the valuation we gave them was the valuation.  its a dutch auction.
[2016-06-04 04:22] ID=554 Godson_Mansa: 70 million dollars !? for a BTC wallet 
[2016-06-04 04:23] ID=555 Rassah: No, not for a btc wallet
[2016-06-04 04:23] ID=556 Rassah: You're not listening, and I don't care to keep explaining to you
[2016-06-04 04:23] ID=557 Rassah: Just re-read what I said above
[2016-06-04 04:23] ID=558 Godson_Mansa: btw i want to commend you guys for being civil, anywhere i would be getting called names by now 
[2016-06-04 04:24] ID=559 Godson_Mansa: anywhere else*
[2016-06-04 04:24] ID=560 Godson_Mansa: but seriously i'm not trying to be a asshole or anything
[2016-06-04 04:24] ID=561 Godson_Mansa: i'm just now beginning to grasp everything 
[2016-06-04 04:27] ID=562 Godson_Mansa: would you guys mind disclosing how much you own ?
[2016-06-04 04:29] ID=563 Rassah: Own what?
[2016-06-04 04:29] ID=564 Godson_Mansa: assets 
[2016-06-04 04:30] ID=565 Rassah: What assets?
[2016-06-04 04:30] ID=566 Godson_Mansa: from the crowdsale 
[2016-06-04 04:31] ID=567 Rassah: Disclosed above:\nTotal MT to be issued: 5310.7836 MT\n\nDetailed breakdown:\nEarly birds: 1271.0505 MT\nMycelium: 21.0382 MT\nStandard: 3929.9338 MT
[2016-06-04 04:32] ID=568 Rassah: So, 21,0382 is owned by Mycelium members. Nothing owned by CEO, company owner, or any of the top managers
[2016-06-04 04:32] ID=569 Godson_Mansa: no no no not all the assets how many we own as people here not the ceo's and stuff 
[2016-06-04 04:33] ID=570 Godson_Mansa: i meant you and me and robert etc
[2016-06-04 04:33] ID=571 llewdis: they abstained from sale to avoid conflict and are probably compensated by options/equity stakes anyway
[2016-06-04 04:33] ID=572 Rassah: Ohohoh, you're asking how much the other people here own
[2016-06-04 04:33] ID=573 Godson_Mansa: yeah 
[2016-06-04 04:37] ID=574 Godson_Mansa: do you have any @rassah ? or is that a rude question ?
[2016-06-04 04:38] ID=575 Rassah: I don't. I'm one of the higher level managers
[2016-06-04 04:38] ID=576 Godson_Mansa: so you weren't allowed to. 
[2016-06-04 04:39] ID=577 Godson_Mansa: as per ethical issues  
[2016-06-04 04:39] ID=578 Rassah: I was sitting in the office during the crowdsale planning staged, discussing future plans for the wallet, and thus know some insider info too. So, yeah
[2016-06-04 04:39] ID=579 Godson_Mansa: ok
[2016-06-04 04:39] ID=580 Rassah: ethical, and legal with insider trading
[2016-06-04 04:39] ID=581 RE_ID=570 AROMACOMPUTERS: i did not buy this, chose not to.
[2016-06-04 04:40] ID=582 Godson_Mansa: do you own any of % of the company as a senior member ? are you a millionaire right now ?
[2016-06-04 04:40] ID=583 llewdis: ? for you @Rassah - are there potential plans to use the same crowdfunding model for other lines of business?  e.g. swish?
[2016-06-04 04:41] ID=584 llewdis: or gear for that matter?
[2016-06-04 04:42] ID=585 RE_ID=582 Rassah: I do not, and I am not. I actually get a pretty meager salary. Most of our money goes to pay dev salaries
[2016-06-04 04:43] ID=586 AROMACOMPUTERS: does the ceo own 100% of the parent company, and 95% of the subsidiary?
[2016-06-04 04:43] ID=587 RE_ID=583 Rassah: I don't know. Possibly for some other products. But Swish and probably Gear are planned to be implemented in the new wallet eventually too. So, they'll technically become a part of your wallet investment
[2016-06-04 04:43] ID=588 llewdis: Now that, if true is SWEET
[2016-06-04 04:44] ID=589 Godson_Mansa: what are swish and gear ?
[2016-06-04 04:44] ID=590 llewdis: check out https://mycelium.com/ and look at their other offerings
[2016-06-04 04:45] ID=591 llewdis: swish is order entry system for small business (think restraunt/food truck)
[2016-06-04 04:45] ID=592 Rassah: Gear is like BitPay without a middle man. You give it your wallet's xpub, it generates invoices using your own bitcoin addresses, and you get paid right to your personal wallet.
[2016-06-04 04:46] ID=593 Rassah: Swish is a restaurant ordering service, where the restaurant (or whoever else) can create an online menu in a browser, provide a link to it with a QR code, and people can open the menu, place orders in bitcoin or with a credit card, and the restaurant employees get a notification in their Swish app. They then can mark the order as received, processing, and complete, and the buyer, when they see it's complete, can just go and pick it up
[2016-06-04 04:47] ID=594 Godson_Mansa: cool
[2016-06-04 04:48] ID=595 Godson_Mansa: @Rassah free advice for you, better get some of them valuable shares instead of a meager salary.   
[2016-06-04 04:49] ID=596 llewdis: lol
[2016-06-04 04:54] ID=597 Godson_Mansa: rassah do you wanna buy mine ? they're not over valued or anything 
[2016-06-04 05:16] ID=598 llewdis: @Rassah is there a published roadmap for adding features to the wallet?  I am interested in the integration of the Waves platform for fiat transfers in particular.
[2016-06-04 05:22] ID=599 RE_ID=570 Superart: I chose not to partake in the crowdsale because I thought it was a dumb idea.  However inreally do like the product and usenit as my primary wallet.
[2016-06-04 13:00] ID=600 ethereum: Trezor Unveils 'Ultimately Secure' Bitcoin Password Manager\nhttps://news.bitcoin.com/trezor-unveils-password-manager/
[2016-06-04 16:38] ID=601 Godson_Mansa: was hacked last night right after i finished chatting here and fell asleep.  
[2016-06-04 18:00] ID=602 RE_ID=601 AROMACOMPUTERS: Hahaha
[2016-06-04 18:20] ID=604 Godson_Mansa: that's not even funny, i lost quite a bit
[2016-06-04 18:21] ID=607 ???: how did you get hacked?
[2016-06-04 18:22] ID=608 Godson_Mansa: how everyone else stupid gets hacked 
[2016-06-04 18:22] ID=609 Godson_Mansa: similar passwords 
[2016-06-04 18:23] ID=610 ???: 
[2016-06-04 18:23] ID=611 Rassah: Had that happen to me too a long time ago. Been using KeePass since
[2016-06-04 18:23] ID=612 RE_ID=611 ???: +1
[2016-06-04 18:23] ID=613 Godson_Mansa: keepass is that a password generator 
[2016-06-04 18:24] ID=614 Rassah: That too
[2016-06-04 18:24] ID=615 ???: keepass, linux, encryption, vm
[2016-06-04 18:24] ID=616 ???: must have for crypto traders
[2016-06-04 18:24] ID=617 ???: and a trezor...
[2016-06-04 18:24] ID=618 Rassah: It mostly stores different passwords for different sites, and makes entering them into sites easier
[2016-06-04 18:24] ID=619 RE_ID=617 Rassah: Or a Samsung phone with Ledger Trustlet
[2016-06-04 18:25] ID=620 ???: havent tried that one
[2016-06-04 18:25] ID=621 Rassah: No need to external hardware devices with that. Just your phone
[2016-06-04 18:25] ID=622 Rassah: Uses TEE chip
[2016-06-04 18:26] ID=623 ???: although you can backup a seed i personally dont feel comfortable with running around outside with my stash on my phone
[2016-06-04 18:26] ID=624 ???: although it is "save"
[2016-06-04 18:26] ID=625 ???: *safe
[2016-06-04 19:59] ID=626 RE_ID=613 Bitcoin_boy: What got hacked?
[2016-06-04 20:12] ID=627 favdesu: I moved to enpass (has a cool chrome addon too)
[2016-06-04 20:14] ID=628 sabotagebeats: My info sec teacher that said crypto currency was bullshit 2 months ago, I did a preso on bitcoin in class about 3 weeks ago, and now he's posting on twitter every day about bitcoin and doing crypto currency workshops at defcon
[2016-06-04 20:23] ID=629 Rassah: Bitcoin price at close of crowdsale was $458.67 (kinda convenient to remember number)
[2016-06-04 20:23] ID=630 sabotagebeats: Bitcoin price 2017 $1234567.89
[2016-06-04 20:25] ID=631 Rassah: So total valuation of the company right now is\n$458.67 * 5310.7836 / 5% = 48,717,942.28
[2016-06-04 20:26] ID=632 Stompy: hope u hold it :)
[2016-06-04 20:28] ID=633 sabotagebeats: $8675309
[2016-06-04 20:28] ID=634 sabotagebeats: ;)
[2016-06-04 20:30] ID=635 sabotagebeats: @Rassah what does that make each MT worth now
[2016-06-04 20:32] ID=636 Rassah: Still same, until next reevaluation
[2016-06-04 23:55] ID=637 Godson_Mansa: so the valuation is in Dollars not BTC ?
[2016-06-05 01:01] ID=638 ShortFatUglyDumb: None
[2016-06-05 03:01] ID=639 LordAjax: None
[2016-06-05 03:37] ID=640 Godson_Mansa: https://twitter.com/Mansa_Godson/status/738937123408097280
[2016-06-05 03:38] ID=641 RE_ID=640 Godson_Mansa: poll ended 97% said no
[2016-06-05 04:44] ID=642 praeluceo: None
[2016-06-05 05:12] ID=643 Rassah: You don't have a lot of cool friends :(
[2016-06-05 05:12] ID=644 RE_ID=643 AROMACOMPUTERS: lol
[2016-06-05 06:02] ID=645 ???: None
[2016-06-05 23:53] ID=646 ???: None
[2016-06-06 03:15] ID=647 paullinator: 
[2016-06-06 03:15] ID=648 paullinator: Hey @Rassah. Not a very flattering description of Mycelium Gear
[2016-06-06 03:16] ID=649 ???: every employee loves an error on their paycheck... in their favor, like in monopoly
[2016-06-06 03:27] ID=650 Rassah: Yeah, I know. I told them about it...
[2016-06-06 03:28] ID=651 Rassah: What you get when most of your employees aren't from English speaking countries...
[2016-06-06 03:28] ID=652 Rassah: Also, hey, nice to see you here!
[2016-06-06 03:53] ID=653 paullinator: @Rassah  Figured I'd drop in and make sure you were aware. You owe me a typo correction on any of our future Russion content. And I'm off.
[2016-06-06 03:54] ID=654 Rassah: Deal!
[2016-06-06 04:10] ID=655 Talon8Ya: Why did it say it's error prone??
[2016-06-06 04:31] ID=656 Rassah: Because Engrish
[2016-06-06 04:33] ID=657 llewdis: 
[2016-06-06 04:35] ID=658 LordAjax: 👍
[2016-06-06 04:46] ID=659 llewdis: Xkcd.com
[2016-06-06 04:47] ID=660 Rassah: I want to see Star Wars with real metal swords
[2016-06-06 04:48] ID=661 RE_ID=660 Talon8Ya: Me too and real blood instead of all these kills from all types of weapons with hardly any blood unless it is a plot point.
[2016-06-06 06:35] ID=662 LordAjax: I want to see a Star Wars movie where someone doesn't loose a hand or 2.
[2016-06-06 16:52] ID=663 F: None
[2016-06-07 05:11] ID=664 Godson_Mansa: is distro done
[2016-06-07 05:12] ID=665 Godson_Mansa: ?
[2016-06-07 05:12] ID=666 Godson_Mansa: cos i haven't received mine yet
[2016-06-07 13:28] ID=667 udiWertheimer: Hey @Rassah, can you give any updates on the status with exchanges? Can you tell us which ones you were involved with so we can bug them as well?
[2016-06-07 13:29] ID=668 favdesu: I could ask openledger to add the token if you guys demand it
[2016-06-07 13:32] ID=669 udiWertheimer: any exchange to start trading will be good news. this token really needs some liquidity
[2016-06-07 13:33] ID=670 favdesu: i disagree
[2016-06-07 13:33] ID=671 udiWertheimer: why?
[2016-06-07 13:33] ID=672 favdesu: you bought company shares, not daytrade material
[2016-06-07 13:35] ID=673 llewdis: investment for me as well
[2016-06-07 13:37] ID=674 udiWertheimer: i'm actually very much planning to hold the tokens for a long time. however my belief is that when it's technically and legally possible to trade, trading should be enabled. failure to enable that is risking loss of value. these aren't normal shares, they are crypto shares and there's no real reason why they shouldn't be easy to trade. the market should decide on their value, there's nothing wrong with that.\nI'm not daytrading btc either - I've been long on btc for a long time and yet I believe that it's good that it's being traded by others
[2016-06-07 13:38] ID=675 favdesu: you can trade it. no one holds you back from sending your tokens
[2016-06-07 13:38] ID=676 udiWertheimer: sure. but the fact that no exchange currently sees value in implementing it is worrisome, don't you think?
[2016-06-07 13:41] ID=677 udiWertheimer: to me it sounds like people are hoping the token's value will appreciate if people can't easily sell - and start pump n dump schemes. but really this isn't how it works. If the token has any value and if people want to buy it, exchanges should be motivated to implement it in order to increase their volume. the fact that this isn't happening is pointing to a lack of interest from investors
[2016-06-07 13:42] ID=678 favdesu: every exchange is busy gettng ethereum stuff to run. I'm not surprised
[2016-06-07 13:43] ID=679 udiWertheimer: ethereum & dao are running smoothly on most exchanges for a while now. new coins are popping up and added every day. only mycelium is ignored..
[2016-06-07 14:40] ID=680 RE_ID=666 Rassah: Not yet. Did you sign the doc?
[2016-06-07 22:20] ID=681 bitcoindude: @Rassah What is the total number of participants in the sale?  I'm watching the holder count rise and just wondering at what point i should be concerned about not receiving my tokens.  I've followed all the steps and signed the doc.
[2016-06-07 22:21] ID=682 bitcoindude: Also, what is the selection order for sending out the tokens?  I know other participants who purchased well after I did and have received their tokens already.
[2016-06-07 22:24] ID=683 Rassah: A bit over 1000
[2016-06-07 22:26] ID=684 Rassah: They're sent in order of purchase. I would be able to help more, see if there's any problems with your account, if I had your email and bitcoin bitcoin address you sent to
[2016-06-07 23:06] ID=685 Godson_Mansa: i think i signed the doc when i put up the addr.
[2016-06-07 23:06] ID=686 Godson_Mansa: but i'll check again.
[2016-06-07 23:18] ID=687 Godson_Mansa: yeah i havn't signed it
[2016-06-07 23:22] ID=688 Godson_Mansa: were do i find the document that says i promise to dump this at first chance i get ?
[2016-06-07 23:26] ID=689 Rassah: :)
[2016-06-07 23:26] ID=690 Rassah: Don't think we have that. Well just take your word for it
[2016-06-08 00:13] ID=691 Rassah: I don't think you can compare colored coin to fedoracoin, dude. Maybe to Mastercoin, since both run on top of Bitcoin
[2016-06-08 00:16] ID=692 Godson_Mansa: lol
[2016-06-08 00:16] ID=693 Godson_Mansa: you are gonna wanna stab me pretty soon
[2016-06-08 00:46] ID=694 Rassah: Honestly you're nowhere hear as bad as some others I'm dealing with
[2016-06-08 00:46] ID=695 Godson_Mansa: 😊😊👍👍❤❤😃
[2016-06-08 01:07] ID=696 Stompy: 
[2016-06-08 04:04] ID=697 matthia5: thanks for the set
[2016-06-08 08:07] ID=698 AlexRuski: I'm thinking of selling 1,1 tokens
[2016-06-08 08:07] ID=699 AlexRuski: How much are you guys willing to pay for that?
[2016-06-08 08:08] ID=700 jhon_Doe: 1 btc
[2016-06-08 08:08] ID=701 AlexRuski: Really?
[2016-06-08 08:08] ID=702 jhon_Doe: yes
[2016-06-08 08:09] ID=703 AlexRuski: So basically no return what so ever on the crowdsale
[2016-06-08 08:09] ID=704 jhon_Doe: crowdsale is ended few days ago
[2016-06-08 08:09] ID=705 Rassah: Why would there be a return already?
[2016-06-08 08:09] ID=706 AlexRuski: I know
[2016-06-08 08:10] ID=707 AlexRuski: It doesn't have to
[2016-06-08 08:10] ID=708 AlexRuski: I'm just stating a fact
[2016-06-08 08:10] ID=709 AlexRuski: That's all
[2016-06-08 08:10] ID=710 Rassah: Tokens are representative of the value of the company, and speculative future value/returns. Not much changed yet.
[2016-06-08 08:10] ID=711 jhon_Doe: 👍
[2016-06-08 08:10] ID=712 Rassah: We should be interviewing two new people this week.
[2016-06-08 08:11] ID=713 AlexRuski: For the wallets?
[2016-06-08 08:11] ID=714 Rassah: Yep
[2016-06-08 08:11] ID=715 Rassah: Hiring an Android, and iOS, and a UI dev
[2016-06-08 08:11] ID=716 AlexRuski: Is something already being done?
[2016-06-08 08:11] ID=717 Rassah: Oh yes. The basic wallet is done
[2016-06-08 08:12] ID=718 AlexRuski: You mean the core?
[2016-06-08 08:13] ID=719 Rassah: A wallet that can send and receive bitcoin built on top of the core. We need to finish setting up the plugin structure, and then start adding the rest of the UI elements, new features, and convert existing features into plugins
[2016-06-08 08:13] ID=720 AlexRuski: I see
[2016-06-08 08:13] ID=721 AlexRuski: Good luck on the interviews
[2016-06-08 08:13] ID=722 Rassah: CoinShuffle is hopefully getting close to being done too...
[2016-06-08 08:15] ID=723 Rassah: From what I understand, the shuffling algorithm, communications, network, and tests/protections against malicious attackers are done, now just need to incorporate the Bitcoin crypto
[2016-06-08 08:15] ID=724 AlexRuski: I would love to be able to store vcash on the wallet some day...
[2016-06-08 08:15] ID=725 Rassah: vcash?
[2016-06-08 08:15] ID=726 AlexRuski: yeap
[2016-06-08 08:15] ID=727 jhon_Doe: is there an intention to integrate a ethereum wallet?
[2016-06-08 08:16] ID=728 AlexRuski: Rassah you never heard of vcash?
[2016-06-08 08:16] ID=729 Rassah: Oh, alt coin
[2016-06-08 08:16] ID=730 Rassah: Like Dash?
[2016-06-08 08:16] ID=731 AlexRuski: Much better
[2016-06-08 08:17] ID=732 AlexRuski: A lot of FUD around it
[2016-06-08 08:17] ID=733 RE_ID=727 Rassah: No specific intention, but I'm sure someone will add support
[2016-06-08 08:17] ID=734 jhon_Doe: ok good
[2016-06-08 08:18] ID=735 AlexRuski: The DEV of vcash is famous for showing bugs of other alts and how to solve them(when possible)
[2016-06-08 08:18] ID=736 AlexRuski: So he gets a lot of hate from other devs....
[2016-06-08 08:19] ID=738 AlexRuski: Is the only alt that needs 1 confirmation in POLO
[2016-06-08 08:20] ID=739 AlexRuski: poloniex*
[2016-06-08 08:23] ID=740 Superart: What can you do with it?
[2016-06-08 08:24] ID=741 AlexRuski: I'm not a dev, so not the right guy to answer
[2016-06-08 08:24] ID=742 AlexRuski: But you can check it out for yourself
[2016-06-08 08:25] ID=743 AlexRuski: Here: https://v.cash
[2016-06-08 08:25] ID=744 AlexRuski: Rassah you could check it too
[2016-06-08 08:25] ID=745 Superart: I'm not a dev either.  But I mean what makes you interested in it?
[2016-06-08 08:25] ID=746 Superart: Just for trading, or you actually use it for something?
[2016-06-08 08:25] ID=747 Rassah: Kinda wish those kinds of smart people would apply their skills to making bitcoin itself better. There's little need for more than one currency, besides to fulfill other people's egos.
[2016-06-08 08:25] ID=748 AlexRuski: The tech behind it and the developer
[2016-06-08 08:27] ID=751 RE_ID=747 Superart: Essentially that's what happens regardless.  Altcoins can serve as testbeds for tech. If it pans out, bitcoin will eventually rill it into bitcoin.
[2016-06-08 08:37] ID=759 Superart: Rassah, you really want PoS developers working on Bitcoin?  Aren't you glad that there are altcoins that can give them something to occupy their time with so that they dont waste the time and patience of the actual devs who's contributions are likely to really benefit Bitcoin?
[2016-06-08 15:39] ID=760 Rassah: Eh, they wouldn't be working on the PoS I guess
[2016-06-08 16:06] ID=761 ???: Hey Mycelium, my podcast Liberty Entrepreneurs Interviewed Roger Ver and Erik Voorhees.  I think many of you in here may enjoy the conversation:  http://cointelegraph.com/news/the-future-of-bitcoin-early-pioneers-of-bitcoin-erik-voorheers-and-roger-ver-in-liberty-entrepreneurs-podcast
[2016-06-08 16:38] ID=762 Superart: What would they be working on? "Faster confirmation?
[2016-06-08 16:39] ID=763 Superart: The blocksize debate isn't enough?  Maybe we should bring in a large group 9f devs who want to start a blocktime debate too.
[2016-06-08 21:53] ID=764 AlexRuski: about vcash: zerotime, this week the zeroledger will be launch and the adaptive block size, about the zeroledger, Yes and ZeroLedger will make most crypto-currencies seem like a bloated mess. It compiles and works on all modern OS and game consoles and even on the iWatch OS 2 it uses about 38 MB of RAM.
[2016-06-09 00:13] ID=766 Rassah: New things for bitcoin to implement if they work. Though the main problem is with history of transactions on a massive scale. Can't really reduce that beyond active account balances.
[2016-06-09 00:15] ID=767 RE_ID=761 Rassah: They make good points...
[2016-06-09 00:20] ID=779 Rassah: Mycelium won't spend time on adding new currencies, except for some minor exceptions. We still primarily intend to focus on bitcoin development, since there is A LOT to do in that alone. But we will have the wallet be open and hopefully easy enough for others to add their own currencies if they choose
[2016-06-09 00:20] ID=780 AlexRuski: great Rassah!
[2016-06-09 00:23] ID=792 RE_ID=767 ???: I agree, hence why I wanted to publicize this discussion.
[2016-06-09 00:38] ID=825 Rassah: There, all better
[2016-06-09 00:39] ID=826 Stompy: ty rassah
[2016-06-09 00:40] ID=827 Rassah: Just in case others come back, so they don't get overwhelmed with off topic stuff. I feel like everyone who wanted to say something said something
[2016-06-09 00:42] ID=828 Stompy: the mycelium tokens going to stay at Colu platform in the future? or u going to try other protocol for tokens?
[2016-06-09 00:44] ID=829 ???: None
[2016-06-09 00:47] ID=830 Rassah: Heard boss say we may try subverting else next time
[2016-06-09 00:49] ID=831 Rassah: Since they're tied to a company, and not just crypto coins, no reason we can't set up a way to swap them for other crypto platforms
[2016-06-09 00:50] ID=832 Stompy: waves platform?
[2016-06-09 00:52] ID=833 Rassah: He mentioned eth or omni
[2016-06-09 00:52] ID=834 Rassah: I guess we'll see when we get there
[2016-06-09 05:00] ID=835 RE_ID=833 FloridaBitcoiner: Kinda silly not to look seriously at Counterparty
[2016-06-09 05:05] ID=836 Rassah: Actually I think he said counterparty, not Omni. I just forgot the name
[2016-06-09 05:06] ID=837 RE_ID=836 FloridaBitcoiner: They have so much more solid stuff going on without all the hype
[2016-06-09 05:08] ID=838 FloridaBitcoiner: They've been heads-down not giving a shit about any media hype
[2016-06-11 06:36] ID=839 sabotagebeats: Dear Participants of Crowdsale! \nwe would like to kindly remind - please proceed to Mycelium Wallet Crowdsale page and provide your Colu address according to instructions, thus we can send your Mycelium Tokens.\nBest, \nMycelium Team
[2016-06-11 06:36] ID=840 sabotagebeats: ???
[2016-06-11 15:28] ID=841 Rassah: People enter the Colu address, and don't bother hitting OK, then wonder where their tokens are
[2016-06-11 15:28] ID=842 Rassah: It didn't save the address that way
[2016-06-11 15:28] ID=843 AROMACOMPUTERS: hahaha
[2016-06-11 15:33] ID=844 ???: O.o thatz  people that are to lazy to read and look @ what they doing for you ...
[2016-06-12 03:30] ID=845 Stompy: 
[2016-06-12 03:39] ID=846 sabotagebeats: Will my tokens dissappear if I don't use colu?
[2016-06-12 04:04] ID=847 Rassah: You mean if you just keep it on the mycelium.com dashboard? No, it will just stay there
[2016-06-12 04:05] ID=848 Stompy: some news rassah?
[2016-06-12 04:30] ID=849 Rassah: We're interviewing a guy who used to work for Lufthansa this Tuesday. Other than that, iOS guy was on vacation last week, so we were pushing to get CoinShuffle finished without him
[2016-06-12 04:56] ID=850 CosmosStag: Yeah I think it'll be done pretty soon. :3
[2016-06-13 06:00] ID=851 df: I haven't received my tokens on colu yet. I signed the agreement and pushed the okay button for the address.
[2016-06-13 06:01] ID=852 Rassah: So maybe tomorrow?
[2016-06-13 06:02] ID=853 AROMACOMPUTERS: 692.50!  HOLY Bitcoin
[2016-06-13 06:02] ID=854 df: Okay I'll keep a eye out. :3
[2016-06-13 15:05] ID=856 AlexRuski: I want to sell my tokens
[2016-06-13 15:06] ID=857 AlexRuski: Would buy back when it's tradable
[2016-06-13 15:06] ID=858 Talon8Ya: Lol
[2016-06-13 15:06] ID=859 Talon8Ya: Btc up token stuck
[2016-06-13 15:06] ID=860 AlexRuski: Exactly
[2016-06-13 15:06] ID=861 AlexRuski: I need something that won't sit around right now
[2016-06-13 15:07] ID=862 Talon8Ya: Did they get an exchange system yet?
[2016-06-13 15:07] ID=863 AlexRuski: No
[2016-06-13 15:07] ID=864 Talon8Ya: That sucks
[2016-06-13 15:07] ID=865 AlexRuski: Rassah would you buy back the tokens?
[2016-06-13 15:07] ID=866 Talon8Ya: So you have to find a buyer.
[2016-06-13 15:08] ID=867 AlexRuski: 1,1 token
[2016-06-13 15:51] ID=868 favdesu: lol
[2016-06-13 15:51] ID=869 favdesu: desperation at its best here
[2016-06-13 15:56] ID=870 jhon_Doe: how many tokens you have?
[2016-06-13 16:49] ID=871 AlexRuski: 2,2
[2016-06-13 16:50] ID=872 AlexRuski: But I just want to sell half
[2016-06-13 16:51] ID=873 ???: Any one wanna but 0.1 i wanna go pay my phone bill real fast lol
[2016-06-13 16:52] ID=874 ???: Buy**
[2016-06-13 16:53] ID=875 renancamargo: I'm selling 0.5MT
[2016-06-13 16:55] ID=876 jhon_Doe: i buy.. 500 usd / token
[2016-06-13 16:55] ID=877 jhon_Doe: 😁
[2016-06-13 16:55] ID=878 jhon_Doe: 500 usd / MT
[2016-06-13 16:56] ID=879 renancamargo: 
[2016-06-13 16:56] ID=880 Rassah: We're still sending out more. We had a flood of new people finally signing documents and entering Colu addresses with an OK button
[2016-06-13 16:56] ID=881 ???: Ill sell you 100usd worth of mt @jhon_Doe
[2016-06-13 16:57] ID=882 jhon_Doe: so 0.2 MT?
[2016-06-13 16:58] ID=883 renancamargo: seeing 0.7 btc
[2016-06-13 16:59] ID=884 renancamargo: 0.51MT
[2016-06-13 17:01] ID=885 ???: I was thinking more like 0.15 or 0.16
[2016-06-13 17:04] ID=886 jhon_Doe: i can do 100 usd for 0.19 MT
[2016-06-13 17:05] ID=887 ???: Na itz ok ill hold till i sell @ 0.15MT/100usd
[2016-06-13 17:06] ID=888 ???: Or more
[2016-06-13 18:08] ID=889 ???: Without any exchange to come this is by far the worst executed ico this year. Worse than lisk. Lisk had at least a Linux wallet.
[2016-06-13 18:08] ID=890 ???: No wallet, no exchange
[2016-06-13 18:09] ID=891 ???: Tokens had to be moved by hand
[2016-06-13 18:09] ID=892 ???: It gonna get there soon
[2016-06-13 18:09] ID=893 ???: When it do price gonna jump od
[2016-06-13 18:09] ID=894 ???: 2 weeks (TM)
[2016-06-13 18:11] ID=895 Rassah: You can use the Colu wallet for now
[2016-06-13 18:13] ID=896 ???: Are you guys in contact with any exchange yet?
[2016-06-13 18:15] ID=897 Rassah: Colu mostly is working on that. Have been for a while. They have a bounty going to implement it
[2016-06-13 19:00] ID=898 ???: OK. Thx
[2016-06-13 19:22] ID=899 RE_ID=887 Superart: Someone offered you .19, you thought that is too low and are waiting to sell it for .15 instead?
[2016-06-13 19:46] ID=900 llewdis: Rassah, how long should it take for a colu to colu transfer of MT take?
[2016-06-13 19:47] ID=901 llewdis: any guesses?
[2016-06-13 19:55] ID=902 llewdis: yeah, wasn't thinking when i asked the question.  thanks for replying though.
[2016-06-13 20:13] ID=903 RE_ID=900 Rassah: It's a regular bitcoin transaction
[2016-06-13 20:32] ID=904 Rassah: From one of our techs. May be relevant
[2016-06-13 20:32] ID=905 Rassah: There was a temporary issue with colu who temporarily reduced sending limits to all users (malicious users abuse), but re-increased it for us when I told them we reached the limit.
[2016-06-13 22:30] ID=906 ShortFatUglyDumb: rnt thez tokens meant as a long-ish term investment in Mycelium?
[2016-06-13 22:32] ID=907 RE_ID=906 AROMACOMPUTERS: nice name LOL
[2016-06-14 18:36] ID=908 ???: any news from colu or exchanges?
[2016-06-14 18:37] ID=909 Rassah: No updates since last week with "we are in talk with other exchanges and considering putting out a bounty for this purpose.\nWe are waiting a bit more for decentralized exchanges to be more mature but some of them had contacted us."
[2016-06-14 18:37] ID=910 ???: thx
[2016-06-14 21:18] ID=911 bigs21024: None
[2016-06-14 21:19] ID=912 bigs21024: any news on when payout may come for shares
[2016-06-14 21:21] ID=913 bigs21024: i only have 0.1263373 MT lol
[2016-06-14 21:27] ID=914 Rassah: Payout?
[2016-06-14 21:32] ID=915 bigs21024: yes any news of anything
[2016-06-14 21:32] ID=916 bigs21024: 👍
[2016-06-14 21:56] ID=917 Rassah: Not really. We had an interview with a new dev today. He used to work for Lufthansa and Star Alliance. We are now in the process of hiring him.
[2016-06-14 21:59] ID=918 ShawnLeary: @Rassah u r no fun anymore ;)
[2016-06-14 21:59] ID=919 Rassah: We are still sending out remaining tokens. Must of those left are people who had some sort of issues during registration. Either their email addresses didn't match (typos) or there's some bug where they try to sign the document but the confirmation email doesn't go out. Nothing major, just headaches
[2016-06-14 21:59] ID=920 Rassah: Sorry
[2016-06-14 22:00] ID=921 ShawnLeary: All work and no play
[2016-06-14 22:00] ID=922 Rassah: Someone asked me if I knew of any salty jokes. I said "Na"
[2016-06-14 22:01] ID=923 llewdis: Lol
[2016-06-14 22:05] ID=924 ShawnLeary: Oh daaaaaamn.
[2016-06-14 22:05] ID=925 ShawnLeary: Ok, back to work
[2016-06-15 03:29] ID=926 Godson_Mansa: looking to sell 0.165 mycelium anyone interested i need penis enlargement pills real quick
[2016-06-15 07:08] ID=927 Bitcoin_boy: WTF
[2016-06-15 08:33] ID=928 ShortFatUglyDumb: Maybe we can have a new "Mycelium Tokens" group 4 better topic segmentation?
[2016-06-15 09:29] ID=929 bdavid1122: I almost feel sorry enough for you to buy your tokens from you.   I would hate to have a small penis.  Maybe you can find some pills to enlarge your balls, that way you would hold your tokens until you profit.
[2016-06-15 09:45] ID=930 Strayt: None
[2016-06-15 09:59] ID=931 favdesu: Loool
[2016-06-15 09:59] ID=932 RE_ID=929 favdesu: 💎 Hi, I've tried to send you 5 Gems, but you don’t have the GetGems app yet\n\nDon't be left out! Download Telegram with GetGems to earn and spend Gems on awesome gift cards from Starbucks, Amazon, Apple and many more http://r.getgems.org/m/GRYfFNxHVq
[2016-06-15 11:04] ID=933 Stompy: lol
[2016-06-15 11:04] ID=934 Stompy: go play Sims u lowbob
[2016-06-15 11:17] ID=935 RE_ID=929 Godson_Mansa: Lol my balls are fine, it the penis pills that i need so i can at least brag about that when the over inflated value of this company pops, if you're so confident in the size of ya balls why dont you buy my tokens.  notice how hard it is to get rid of these tokens ?
[2016-06-15 11:24] ID=936 Godson_Mansa: https://twitter.com/coluplatform/status/742955355320295425
[2016-06-15 14:42] ID=937 danijel cresnovar: None
[2016-06-15 17:49] ID=938 hkrdrm: None
[2016-06-15 17:52] ID=939 gvinoaaa4: None
[2016-06-15 22:36] ID=940 RE_ID=935 AlexRuski: Exactly
[2016-06-15 22:36] ID=941 bigs21024: haha
[2016-06-15 22:37] ID=942 bigs21024: whats up
[2016-06-15 22:40] ID=943 bigs21024: any est how much tokens are worth or partial ones lol like 0.1263373
[2016-06-15 22:48] ID=944 BitKralj: Atm nothing
[2016-06-15 22:51] ID=945 bigs21024: great no prob ill hold
[2016-06-16 02:06] ID=946 llewdis: about $57.50
[2016-06-16 02:37] ID=947 BitKralj: Yeah, but there are no markets and no buyers. Yet.
[2016-06-16 04:19] ID=948 Cme: None
[2016-06-16 20:16] ID=951 sabotagebeats: None
[2016-06-16 20:20] ID=952 Anomaly: None
[2016-06-16 20:27] ID=953 Anomaly: @Rassah Are there plans for BIP47 in the future?
[2016-06-16 20:29] ID=954 Rassah: Of course. That's one of the things we have on our high priority list that we can't implement with the current wallet, so are making a new one for
[2016-06-16 20:32] ID=955 bigs21024: so you are saying it is worth less then what i paid lol
[2016-06-16 20:32] ID=956 bigs21024: any est how much tokens are worth or partial ones lol like 0.1263373
[2016-06-16 20:32] ID=957 bigs21024: about $57.50
[2016-06-16 20:33] ID=958 Rassah: Tokens are worth the USD value of BTC when the crowdsale ended
[2016-06-16 20:34] ID=959 Rassah: So one MT is worth $458.76 or so. Plus or minus whatever speculative value they may have
[2016-06-16 20:36] ID=960 Rassah: Er, $458.67.\nOur company value has not changed since we sold those
[2016-06-16 20:36] ID=961 bigs21024: i see
[2016-06-17 01:09] ID=962 RE_ID=960 bitcoindude: Did you guys already sell all the bitcoin raised? If not, I would think you guys have gained some value on those 5131 Bitcoins with the recent price increase. :)
[2016-06-17 01:10] ID=963 Rassah: We sold half
[2016-06-17 01:11] ID=964 AROMACOMPUTERS: MOOOON
[2016-06-17 01:11] ID=965 bitcoindude: well played
[2016-06-17 01:12] ID=966 AROMACOMPUTERS: So bascially Mycelium is well funded for the forseable future
[2016-06-17 01:41] ID=967 Superart: You pay your guys in usd?
[2016-06-17 01:50] ID=968 Anomaly: @Rassah Will upgrade to the new Mycelium be 'hands off' automated for existing wallet users, or will manual steps be involved? Also, is there an estimated ETA for the newly written Mycelium at this time? Thanks.
[2016-06-17 02:14] ID=969 RE_ID=967 Rassah: USD, EUR, BTC, whatever they ask
[2016-06-17 02:15] ID=970 RE_ID=968 Rassah: Best ETA we have is by end of the year. No upgrade. You'll need to import your 12 word seed into the new wallet, or move money over.
[2016-06-17 02:20] ID=971 RE_ID=970 Talon8Ya: That is cool!!
[2016-06-17 02:21] ID=972 Talon8Ya: Simple
[2016-06-17 02:21] ID=973 Talon8Ya: How does it handle the security of seed import issues??
[2016-06-17 02:30] ID=974 Rassah: Probably same as now, import by scanning a QR code, or virtual keyboard
[2016-06-17 02:35] ID=975 Talon8Ya: Cool
[2016-06-17 02:36] ID=976 Stompy: I love u satoshi
[2016-06-17 02:36] ID=977 Stompy: 
[2016-06-17 04:24] ID=978 Superart: What is the big difference that required a full redesign of the wallet?
[2016-06-17 04:24] ID=979 llewdis: I am guessing modularity to allow plugins
[2016-06-17 14:17] ID=980 Rassah: Yeah, plugins
[2016-06-17 14:19] ID=981 Rassah: Really the issue came out of our iOS wallet. It was written by a dev who eventually quit, so we didn't have anyone to maintain it, and the iOS wallet was so far behind and so buggy that we would have needed to write a whole new wallet from scratch anyway. So we decided to just write one that will work on all platforms.
[2016-06-17 16:15] ID=982 Rassah: Sorry we didn't raise as much money as DAO. Not sorry we used Colu instead of Etherium.
[2016-06-17 16:17] ID=983 Cme: Or bitshares!? And the freedomledger wallet
[2016-06-17 18:30] ID=984 sabotagebeats: Lol eth http://www.businessinsider.com/dao-hacked-ethereum-crashing-in-value-tens-of-millions-allegedly-stolen-2016-6
[2016-06-17 18:32] ID=985 RE_ID=984 hkrdrm: Yeah pretty crazy will be interesting to see if miners support the fork or not.
[2016-06-17 19:00] ID=986 Neo Cortex: None
[2016-06-17 19:01] ID=987 sabotagebeats: https://twitter.com/jackfru1t/status/743880018015682560
[2016-06-17 19:02] ID=988 Neo Cortex: Hello, guys! Who wants to buy MTs? What max price can you offer me?)) By the way, I have a lot of tokens.
[2016-06-17 19:05] ID=989 sabotagebeats: I'll give you 1 dao lol
[2016-06-17 19:05] ID=990 Neo Cortex: 😃
[2016-06-18 14:56] ID=991 bigs21024: i will give you 100 dao lol
[2016-06-18 15:01] ID=992 Stompy: wtb 5mit for 3.5btc
[2016-06-18 16:13] ID=994 bigs21024: true i dont have much at all wish i had more btc to get more at the sale time im sure this will do well
[2016-06-18 16:14] ID=995 Rassah: It will if I do...
[2016-06-18 16:15] ID=996 bigs21024: i have 100 dao lolo
[2016-06-18 16:19] ID=997 llewdis: Sold my dao 3 days ago
[2016-06-18 16:19] ID=998 llewdis: Dfl
[2016-06-18 16:19] ID=999 praeluceo: Smart!
[2016-06-18 16:21] ID=1000 llewdis: Dumb F*ing luck. Got a twitch and sold cause I will use to buy MT instead.
[2016-06-18 17:51] ID=1001 Neo Cortex: I'm selling MT 1:1
[2016-06-18 17:51] ID=1002 Neo Cortex: 1 MT = 1 BTC
[2016-06-18 18:01] ID=1003 bigs21024: bet you would for $770.00 lol
[2016-06-18 18:01] ID=1004 Neo Cortex: I don't care about $, the one true currency is BTC
[2016-06-18 18:02] ID=1005 Neo Cortex: I'm selling for what I bought
[2016-06-18 18:02] ID=1006 Neo Cortex: If I wouldn't buy, I would in BTC
[2016-06-18 18:12] ID=1007 Neo Cortex: When Augur IPO ended, there were the same people who wanted to buy in USD, but it wasn't long))
[2016-06-19 05:35] ID=1008 ryannguyen18: None
[2016-06-19 07:33] ID=1009 AROMACOMPUTERS: Hi Ryan!  Hows consulting treating you
[2016-06-19 07:37] ID=1010 Liedes: selling 0.1 MT for 0.1 BTC
[2016-06-19 14:35] ID=1011 Renocoin: Buying 1mt for 0.56Btc
[2016-06-19 16:46] ID=1012 bigs21024: i only have .1263373 MT ill just hold wish i had more but times have been bad
[2016-06-19 23:13] ID=1013 eziocm: None
[2016-06-19 23:14] ID=1014 Rassah: Ciao
[2016-06-20 02:46] ID=1015 grassfedgoat: None
[2016-06-20 07:06] ID=1016 danijel cresnovar: this is very nice😡,I recived MT tokens(1.54MT) and Isend some BTC to adress that colu provided...now I need BTC so I extracted 0.28BTC from the wallet ..and guess what.....I LOST ALL OF MY MT TOKENS.HOW IN GODS NAME IS THIS POSIBLE.??????ONE IS A TOKEN ASSET AND ONE IS BTC
[2016-06-20 07:11] ID=1017 danijel cresnovar: Rassah where are my tokens,it can not be that Iloose everything only becouse I send some btc...please respond
[2016-06-20 07:31] ID=1018 favdesu: You better ask colu
[2016-06-20 07:39] ID=1019 danijel cresnovar: yeah yeah.there they sad beter ask mycelium,
[2016-06-20 07:45] ID=1020 favdesu: Lol
[2016-06-20 08:39] ID=1021 Stompy: u send btc to Colu?
[2016-06-20 08:39] ID=1022 Stompy: wallet
[2016-06-20 09:27] ID=1023 danijel cresnovar: wallet providet by colu ,i send a bit BTC and than i took this BTC(0.28) out and I lost MTs(1.54) nice is`nt it
[2016-06-20 12:44] ID=1024 DanielWeigl: how did you send the bitcoin? directly from within the colu wallet?
[2016-06-20 14:21] ID=1025 danijel cresnovar: no,on colu.co i have had only MT and BTC was on my btc adres that colu providet.Ido not anderstand why Ilost my MTs if I send only BTC
[2016-06-20 14:22] ID=1026 Rassah: What did you use to send those btc from the BTC address Colu provided? Colu wallet?
[2016-06-20 14:23] ID=1027 Rassah: Or did you import that btc address into something else and used a different wallet?
[2016-06-20 14:25] ID=1028 Rassah: I'm just guessing, but since colored coins are marked bitcoins, you need to have a but if bitcoins left in a Colu address to keep the tokens. Otherwise the address is completely empty. So if you sent ALL the btc out, you would be emptying out all the tokens too.
[2016-06-20 14:25] ID=1029 danijel cresnovar: yes Iimported btc adres and I use diff.walet.but it should not matter becouse I neded only BTC
[2016-06-20 14:25] ID=1030 Rassah: Oh shit. So you used a wallet that isn't colored coin aware to send. That's a MAJOR no no...
[2016-06-20 14:26] ID=1031 danijel cresnovar: yes ok where are then MT ??
[2016-06-20 14:26] ID=1032 danijel cresnovar: they can not yust desapare
[2016-06-20 14:27] ID=1033 Rassah: Colored coin addresses need to add information with every transaction to let the network know where the tokens are moving.
[2016-06-20 14:27] ID=1034 danijel cresnovar: so i lost everything??
[2016-06-20 14:28] ID=1035 danijel cresnovar: where did they go than??
[2016-06-20 14:28] ID=1036 Rassah: If you create a transaction out of a colored coin address that doesn't write that extra information (because the wallet isn't colored coin aware), then it may be like sending bitcoins to an invalid address.
[2016-06-20 14:28] ID=1037 danijel cresnovar: MTs??
[2016-06-20 14:28] ID=1038 Rassah: Do you still have the address you sent those bitcoins to? You haven't spent from it, have you?
[2016-06-20 14:28] ID=1039 danijel cresnovar: so this means that Ilost them??
[2016-06-20 14:29] ID=1040 danijel cresnovar: I have spend them BUT not al
[2016-06-20 14:31] ID=1041 Rassah: Crap. Then they're possibly gone. But this is definitely a Colu question, since they manage the system and know how to fix problems like these, if they can be fixed. Mycelium doesn't handle the technical side of it. We just use it
[2016-06-20 14:32] ID=1042 Rassah: And this wouldn't be any different on any other platform. If you issue tokens on Omni, Counterparty, or even Ethereum, and then just spend everything from that address, that doesn't move your tokens, it just clears your address...
[2016-06-20 14:33] ID=1043 Rassah: Maybe Colu can restore the data associated with the tokens somehow
[2016-06-20 14:33] ID=1044 DanielWeigl: danijel Can you explain in detail how/where you created the account/address and how you it imported into a different wallet (which one?)
[2016-06-20 14:33] ID=1045 danijel cresnovar: I do not know I do not have arespond from them yet
[2016-06-20 14:35] ID=1046 danijel cresnovar: wel it is a long storry and if  I think aggain I am confident that I lost them
[2016-06-20 14:36] ID=1047 Rassah: How you imported it into a different wallet is a long story?
[2016-06-20 14:37] ID=1048 danijel cresnovar: no how did I do it
[2016-06-20 14:38] ID=1049 danijel cresnovar: I wanted those 0.28 BTCso badly that I see now I made a huge mistake
[2016-06-20 14:39] ID=1050 Rassah: What is your Colu address?
[2016-06-20 14:40] ID=1051 danijel cresnovar: 1DeGBH6TqK2zuyXVf8FtLVyM7zzsQTtoy4
[2016-06-20 14:42] ID=1052 danijel cresnovar: wel you know a have peace with it now  sometimes you win sometimes you loose ,thiss time Ilose ,,
[2016-06-20 14:49] ID=1053 danijel cresnovar: I do not think that you can help me , I see that they are gone.anyway I learn something....dont do it if you do not anderstand the system...
[2016-06-20 15:05] ID=1054 Rassah: Out of curiosity, have you tried putting bitcoins back into the 1DeGBH6TqK2zuyXVf8FtLVyM7zzsQTtoy4 account?
[2016-06-20 15:05] ID=1055 danijel cresnovar: no,
[2016-06-20 15:31] ID=1056 Rassah: Can you try and see what happens?
[2016-06-20 15:31] ID=1057 Rassah: Rassah (Mycelium):\nhttp://coloredcoins.org/explorer/address/1DeGBH6TqK2zuyXVf8FtLVyM7zzsQTtoy4 says no assets were sent out
[2016-06-20 15:32] ID=1058 danijel cresnovar: wel you know if the asset were not send out than where are they
[2016-06-20 15:34] ID=1059 danijel cresnovar: and I have only like 0.0004BTCleft from 0.28
[2016-06-20 15:36] ID=1060 danijel cresnovar: http://coloredcoins.org/explorer/address/1DeGBH6TqK2zuyXVf8FtLVyM7zzsQTtoy4  asset 0
[2016-06-20 15:36] ID=1061 danijel cresnovar: BTC0
[2016-06-20 15:37] ID=1062 Rassah: Maybe it's because btc is 0. Anyway, ask Colu if this is something that can be fixed. I don't want to break it further
[2016-06-20 15:38] ID=1063 danijel cresnovar: yeah no problem thanks annyway.....over en out...
[2016-06-20 17:11] ID=1064 CryptoBNS: None
[2016-06-20 17:12] ID=1065 CryptoBNS: hey there, just joined the group. Am also a mycelium crowdsale participant.
[2016-06-20 17:15] ID=1066 CryptoBNS: Guess you guys have heard that question plenty of times... What exchanges are on the short list for trading? Heard you are already in talks? Since mycelium isn't just another project, I would wonder if exchanges wouldn't add it. Don't get me wrong, I am actually not planning to sell any time soon, but as an investor, I'd like to know the value of my assets. At least an estimated one
[2016-06-20 17:17] ID=1067 Rassah: Nothing to say about exchanges yet, but as per the token legal documents, your tokens are worth $458.67 each, and price won't change unless company valuation does
[2016-06-20 17:17] ID=1068 Rassah: They're not a speculative alt coin
[2016-06-20 17:19] ID=1069 Stompy: how I add Freind to here?
[2016-06-20 17:19] ID=1070 Rassah: Mycelium Wallet\nhttps://telegram.me/MyceliumWallet
[2016-06-20 17:39] ID=1071 Ohaimark1989: None
[2016-06-20 19:42] ID=1072 CryptoBNS: Read the entire chat and found some information requested in my previous post (also information about some guy's poor penis size)\nAs mentioned before, it is not about quick dump, but investor relations shoud be taken serious, even though it's called crowdsale. I am part of a blockchain investor network and almost all of my partners refused to invest in Mycelium, mostly because of your terms, but that shouldn't be part of this now. Since I liked the idea and especially the collaboration with Waves, I (and some others) decided to invest regardless of what our network discussed. I have also participated in many other ICOs so far and communication here is not the best imo, especially considering the size of the project. \nAnd I am well aware, that you guys have much more to do than just answering the same questions again and again, investors (or how ever you'd prefer calling us) are now an important group of stakeholders. Current state (at least in our perception) is no proper communication at all, which keeps us in the dark and that leads to frustration and finally to resignation on investors side, which again leads to the loss of significant part of your community. This can't be of your interest. \nAnd even if you think, this kind of complaints are a way to early, don't forget the rising number of exciting and promising blockchain startups and projects appearing on the landscape these days. The community's attention switches pretty fast. \nSince I still believe in the potentials of mycelium, I'd really like to see some improvments here.\nSo, please start a pro-active communication including a proper outlook on investor related topics. Sasha (Waves) could be a good role-model for that. My 2 cents!
[2016-06-20 19:47] ID=1075 RE_ID=1072 Rassah: What kind of communication would you suggest, or would like to see?
[2016-06-20 19:49] ID=1076 Neo Cortex: I asked you at Bitcointalk and had no answer: please, provide some roadmap to us
[2016-06-20 19:50] ID=1077 Rassah: Oh. Sorry, we rarely check bitcointalk since it's mostly sock puppets and trolls
[2016-06-20 19:52] ID=1078 Rassah: Our roadmap hasn't changed. New wallet, with all the functions described during the crowdsale, expected to be completed by the end of the year
[2016-06-20 20:01] ID=1079 Rassah: There just isn't much to say, unfortunately. Our lead dev is still working on SegWit for the old wallet, which, contrary to claims, isn't just a simple patch, and despite Core being done with the server side of the code, their side doesn't address a lot of the wallet side issues, which we've had to resolve with things as far a even making a BIP.\nOur backend dev is still finishing up CoinShuffle. The main dev for the new wallet is sick, so has been away for the last week, and the other main dev can't really do much without him, so has been helping getting CoinShuffle finished up. We're still hiring new people, but so far off the two qualified candidates one can't start work for a couple of months due to his existing contract, and the other redirected a salary like the type paid by large corporations with millions in annual revenues, which I just won't pay with the money we raised.
[2016-06-20 20:02] ID=1080 Rassah: That's about all of it
[2016-06-20 20:06] ID=1081 Superart: "And even if you think, this kind of complaints are a way to early, don't forget the rising number of exciting and promising blockchain startups and projects appearing on the landscape these days."\n\n😂😂😂😂😂LOLOL, Bruh, you be craycray!  Go buy some more "exciting and promising" DAO tokens.
[2016-06-20 20:08] ID=1082 Neo Cortex: Thanks for info ;)
[2016-06-20 20:12] ID=1083 Ohaimark1989: Hi rassah.. Im a fan :) I think people just want to know details about the exchange aspect now that their money is locked up. They do have a point.. Not only for selfish reasons since having a market does reflect real expectaitions and sentiment of a project. That helps value it. If you satisfy the need people have to just "be in the loop" and know what is happening behind the scenes they will stop bugging you and let you get on with work :) more tweets please.. And thank you for creating and letting us be a part of the most trusted wallet in my opinion.
[2016-06-20 20:15] ID=1084 Rassah: You're welcome. Thanks for the support too. I want exchange support yesterday, too.
[2016-06-20 20:21] ID=1085 Rahoos: None
[2016-06-20 20:28] ID=1087 Rahoos: Hi! I just learned about the crowdsale for the dust time from Dmitry Mirashchik's interview on the Liberty Entrepreneurs podcast, and speed halfway through to see if I could still get in on it. Alas, weeks too late. I'm interested in buying a fractional MT for BTC at a little above the original purchase price, if anyone wants out, and if there's a secure way to make the trade (escrow, etc).\nOr @Rassah, should I just wait for an exchange to open up? I'm fairly new to BTC - just started mining a couple months ago.
[2016-06-20 20:41] ID=1088 Frankffm17: None
[2016-06-20 20:42] ID=1089 Rassah: You are new to btc, and started mining already? How are you mining?
[2016-06-20 20:56] ID=1090 BitKralj: I'm selling 1.5 MT for 1.3 BTC
[2016-06-20 21:35] ID=1091 Rahoos: @Rassah, I first heard about bitcoin years ago, but I heard several bitcoin related interviews on Liberty Entrepreneurs podcast in May and decided it was time to finally get involved. I have cheap power, so decided the best way would be to mine. I bought 6 Antminer S7s and I've earned about 2.5BTC so far.\n@BitKralj, so 0.23MT for 0.2BTC?
[2016-06-20 21:37] ID=1092 RE_ID=1091 praeluceo: In one month you've mined 2.5 BTC off 6xS7s? I find the math for that hard to believe.
[2016-06-20 21:41] ID=1093 Rahoos: Maybe should clarify - bought the S7s used on eBay for $575-850, and power is $0.053/kWh\n@praeluceo No you're right. March not May. Bought my first S7 in late April and the 6th one late May.
[2016-06-20 21:43] ID=1094 Rahoos: I didn't keep good records of when I started each one or how much uptime they've had, but my Slushpool "all times reward" says 2.452... BTC.
[2016-06-20 21:52] ID=1095 RE_ID=1094 AROMACOMPUTERS: Cool
[2016-06-20 21:52] ID=1096 AROMACOMPUTERS: now get some S9's
[2016-06-20 21:54] ID=1097 praeluceo: That is pretty good, what's your average daily mining income? Back when I was mining on S3s I was able to pull down about 0.0055 BTC/day, I felt rich!
[2016-06-20 21:55] ID=1098 CryptoBNS: @Rassah Exactly what @lahavlevi mentioned. It's always better to push Information actively and transparent as you do anyway. So, a structured communication, e.g via Newsletters, FB, Twitter, ... would be great.
[2016-06-20 21:56] ID=1099 Rahoos: And I see the first login in the activity log was May 3. So I guess that's 2.45BTC in about 7 weeks. But workers 3 and 4 came online around mid May, and I didn't have workers 5 and 6 online until May 29. And none of them were better than 80% uptime until I finally got a swamp cooler running into the basement May 31.
[2016-06-20 22:00] ID=1100 Rahoos: @praeluceo yeah, I'm pretty happy with it. Slushpool says my estimated daily reward is about 0.077 BTC. I need to sit down and add up all the actual wallet deposits though. And then turn off my miner circuit breaker for a couple hours at night and read the meter differential so I can figure out just how much power I'm actually using.
[2016-06-20 22:02] ID=1101 AROMACOMPUTERS: need to turn off rest of house for long enough to clock what the miners are using
[2016-06-20 22:06] ID=1102 CryptoBNS: @Superart 👍🏼
[2016-06-20 22:09] ID=1103 AROMACOMPUTERS: or get something like this..\n\nhttps://jet.com/product/detail/fae3bd1e317241ee9cd419f2cf93ecb7?jcmp=pla:ggl:gen_hardware_a2:tools_measuring_tools_sensors_a2_other:na:PLA_348828540_24253392300_pla-161693673660:na:na:na:2&code=PLA15&ds_c=gen_hardware_a2&ds_cid&ds_ag=tools_measuring_tools_sensors_a2_other&product_id=fae3bd1e317241ee9cd419f2cf93ecb7&product_partition_id=161693673660&gclid=CI_8_5LPt80CFQktaQodcsYA5w&gclsrc=aw.ds
[2016-06-20 22:09] ID=1104 RE_ID=1079 Rassah: None
[2016-06-20 22:09] ID=1105 Rahoos: @AROMACOMPUTERS you're right, that's smarter.
[2016-06-20 22:44] ID=1106 RE_ID=1094 AlenaSatoshi: happy to have you on Slush Pool ;)
[2016-06-20 22:46] ID=1107 RE_ID=1079 AlenaSatoshi: Tell me about finding developers.. In our experience it takes on average 6-12 months to have a decent bitcoin wallet dev even when you hire a good developer
[2016-06-20 22:48] ID=1108 Rassah: We have a lead dev, a senior iOS dev, a senior Android dev, a backend dev, and two interns. We also had an outside team of UI designers who already designed the whole UI for the wallet. Now we are just hiring one more Android and one more iOS dev, and a UI dev to implement the already created UI, to help speed up the development process
[2016-06-20 22:49] ID=1109 AlenaSatoshi: nice
[2016-06-20 22:52] ID=1110 AlenaSatoshi: for SegWit you are right, our devs are gradually working on it too, tomorrow releasing some advanced transaction features - but that's just one of the steps needed..
[2016-06-20 22:52] ID=1111 AlenaSatoshi: well good luck with your hiring Rassah
[2016-06-20 22:53] ID=1112 Rassah: What company do you work for?
[2016-06-20 22:53] ID=1113 AlenaSatoshi: :D
[2016-06-20 22:53] ID=1114 benchbtc: She's the CEO of satoshi labs 😉
[2016-06-20 22:53] ID=1115 AlenaSatoshi: TREZOR - SatoshiLabs
[2016-06-20 22:53] ID=1116 Rassah: Ah, sweet
[2016-06-20 22:53] ID=1117 AlenaSatoshi: Rassah you have a bad memory :)
[2016-06-20 22:53] ID=1118 Rassah: Very!
[2016-06-20 22:54] ID=1119 Rassah: Only as good as on a Trezor
[2016-06-20 22:54] ID=1120 llewdis: Any chance of Trevor color coin support?  I don't think this exists yet right?
[2016-06-20 22:54] ID=1121 AlenaSatoshi: it does
[2016-06-20 22:55] ID=1122 llewdis: Trezor just got customer from ledger
[2016-06-20 22:55] ID=1123 AlenaSatoshi: but I dont want to hijack this chat
[2016-06-20 22:55] ID=1124 llewdis: Sweet. Ty.
[2016-06-20 22:55] ID=1125 Rassah: Colored coin is just a bitcoin transaction. Creating the colored coin transaction would be done on a wallet, and Trezor would just sign any valid bitcoin transaction
[2016-06-20 22:56] ID=1126 AlenaSatoshi: I haven't checked recently but http://doc.satoshilabs.com/trezor-apps/coinprism.html
[2016-06-20 22:56] ID=1127 Rassah: So from what I understand, hardware wallets are pretty agnostic to colored coin transactions already. Or should be
[2016-06-20 22:58] ID=1128 AlenaSatoshi: yes, Trezor has the OP_RETURN capacity since February 2015
[2016-06-20 22:59] ID=1129 AlenaSatoshi: do you have/plan to add CC support to Mycelium @Rassah ?
[2016-06-20 23:00] ID=1130 Rassah: Yes
[2016-06-20 23:00] ID=1131 Rassah: Current wallet and new one
[2016-06-20 23:00] ID=1132 AlenaSatoshi: hmm would it work with Trezor + Mycelium as well ?
[2016-06-20 23:01] ID=1133 AlenaSatoshi: /me looking for my otg cable
[2016-06-20 23:01] ID=1134 Rassah: I think so. The wallet will be globally CC aware, so any of your accounts could store them and the wallet would know how to handle them
[2016-06-20 23:01] ID=1135 AlenaSatoshi: perfect
[2016-06-20 23:01] ID=1136 Rassah: So you should be able to just send CC to your Trezor account. At least that's the idea
[2016-06-20 23:02] ID=1137 Rassah: Execution is another thing..
[2016-06-20 23:02] ID=1138 AlenaSatoshi: ah ok, so it's a plan, not curent wallet, right?
[2016-06-20 23:02] ID=1139 Rassah: Right
[2016-06-20 23:02] ID=1140 AlenaSatoshi: OK looking forward, always loved Mycelium
[2016-06-20 23:03] ID=1141 RE_ID=1123 praeluceo: Does Satoshi Labs have a Telegram channel @AlenaSatoshi
[2016-06-20 23:03] ID=1142 AlenaSatoshi: now this will be great to have a very secure and convenient way to manage cc
[2016-06-20 23:03] ID=1143 Rassah: Thanks :) I hope I don't ruin that
[2016-06-20 23:05] ID=1144 RE_ID=1141 AlenaSatoshi: not a public one (yet) - we have a reddit.com/r/trezor and we may have a Telegram once we find such a great community manager like Rassah
[2016-06-20 23:05] ID=1145 Rassah: ☺️
[2016-06-20 23:06] ID=1146 praeluceo: Looks like you're doing some of that part!
[2016-06-20 23:07] ID=1147 AlenaSatoshi: yeah, but I'm also responsible for lots of other stuff, so I wouldn't be able to be online and dedicated as needed
[2016-06-20 23:08] ID=1148 praeluceo: Meh, that's what cell phones and salaries are for. You're always on call! (; Besides, at some point the community mostly drives itself.
[2016-06-20 23:11] ID=1149 AlenaSatoshi: :) I'm a business developer and the CEO so you can imagine it's not about the cell phone or salary
[2016-06-20 23:11] ID=1150 praeluceo: lol, fair enough.
[2016-06-20 23:11] ID=1151 AlenaSatoshi: timecoin the most precious currency :)
[2016-06-20 23:12] ID=1152 franull: 😁
[2016-06-20 23:12] ID=1153 RE_ID=1151 praeluceo: +1
[2016-06-20 23:12] ID=1154 praeluceo: Timecoin to the moon? No, more likely this is just an ever worsening bearmarket for Timecoin.
[2016-06-20 23:12] ID=1155 AlenaSatoshi: lol yes
[2016-06-21 14:01] ID=1156 ???: None
[2016-06-21 18:57] ID=1157 Pepy Ganea: None
[2016-06-21 22:41] ID=1158 bits_of_change: @AlenaSatoshi Alena: SatoshiLabs controls CoinMap, from what I can see. CoinMap is still one of the two best merchant directories we have in this space. However, it doesn't look like anyone is responding to emails or special requests through the map. I've been trying to get the Denver Bitcoin Center deleted for some time, for example.\n\nWhat is your plan for continuing CoinMap, if I may ask?
[2016-06-21 22:42] ID=1159 AlenaSatoshi: yes Patrick, we are.. Thanks for letting me know
[2016-06-21 22:57] ID=1160 bigs21024: is there a mycelium wallet for windows or on line or just android
[2016-06-21 23:49] ID=1161 RE_ID=1160 ShortFatUglyDumb: No 4 Windows Phone & Windows desktop & web-wallet. Yes 4 Android & (2 a lesser xtent) iPhone.
[2016-06-22 00:37] ID=1162 bigs21024: need on online bad
[2016-06-22 00:42] ID=1163 Anomaly: Since chromeos can run android apps, I wonder if it can be run in google chromeos?
[2016-06-22 00:49] ID=1164 RE_ID=1160 Rassah: New wallet is being coded in ReactNative, and that will run on Windows Phone, as well as iOS and Android
[2016-06-24 02:11] ID=1165 ???: I love banking with Simple! I think you will too. Use this link to get started: https://www.simple.com/friends/BGVZTCT
[2016-06-24 02:11] ID=1166 ???: Buying mt and btc for usd via simple payments
[2016-06-24 02:14] ID=1167 Rassah: You can use Glidera right from within the wallet
[2016-06-24 02:16] ID=1168 ???: How does it work and can i use my simple account
[2016-06-24 02:17] ID=1169 Rassah: It's US and Canada unfortunately. Use the Buy/Sell button. I'm guessing no
[2016-06-24 02:18] ID=1170 ???: Simple is a US online base bank account
[2016-06-24 06:23] ID=1171 RE_ID=1131 Superart: What about cp?
[2016-06-24 13:38] ID=1173 Rassah: Um... Child porn? I guess someone might make a plugin for that. Not sure if we'd put it on our market
[2016-06-24 14:18] ID=1174 ktorn: lol
[2016-06-24 14:19] ID=1175 ktorn: I think by 'CP' he meant Comboios de Portugal\nhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comboios_de_Portugal
[2016-06-24 14:19] ID=1176 ktorn: or something with a very, very, similar logo 😄
[2016-06-24 15:07] ID=1177 Rassah: Yes, we have plans to let you manage digital assets like tickets (theater, shows, public transportation) within the wallet too.
[2016-06-24 15:09] ID=1178 Anomaly: We hope the new app does not get complicated to use... and features we're not using or interested in can be ignored.
[2016-06-24 15:09] ID=1179 RE_ID=1177 praeluceo: That's awesome!
[2016-06-24 15:10] ID=1180 RE_ID=1178 Rassah: You'll have to actually install those features. They won't come by default
[2016-06-24 16:56] ID=1181 AlexRuski: just to keep you guys on the loop: http://gizmodo.com/why-you-should-stop-using-telegram-right-now-1782557415
[2016-06-24 17:03] ID=1182 favdesu: there's no better alternative though
[2016-06-24 17:12] ID=1188 Rassah: We'll have our own encrypted chat in our wallet eventually. Not sure how we will handle groups though
[2016-06-24 17:13] ID=1189 Rahoos: @Rassah, newbie question: would it be possible to use local trader to trade BTC for MT? Where would you recommend I read to understand colored coins and how to transfer them?
[2016-06-24 17:14] ID=1190 Rassah: No to the first question, sice that would be way more work to implement than we're willing to put in on that
[2016-06-24 17:15] ID=1191 Rassah: Not sure about colored coins. Google I guess. I'm still waiting to get a meeting with Colu to ask some questions myself
[2016-06-24 17:18] ID=1192 Rahoos: Huh. I don't see anything about colored coins on the Colu website.
[2016-06-24 17:20] ID=1193 Rahoos: Ok, coloredcoins.org
[2016-06-24 17:24] ID=1194 Rassah: 👍
[2016-06-24 17:51] ID=1200 Rassah: If you want to message us privately, about support with Backpage or some black market, or help with tax evasion or whatever, just send us a PGP encrypted email and we'll see how we can help
[2016-06-24 18:04] ID=1212 Rassah: I think next time we move chat rooms, it will be to something that uses your bitcoin private keys for encrypted chat. Like LocalTrader does now
[2016-06-24 19:17] ID=1228 Rahoos: In local trader, what does the expected trade time represent?
[2016-06-24 19:18] ID=1229 praeluceo: I agree with @Rassah
[2016-06-24 19:18] ID=1230 praeluceo: We need something like LocalTrader where it uses our private keys to encrypt messages, verifiable with our public keys, with bulit-in tipping (since we'll be guaranteed to have the private keys)
[2016-06-24 19:19] ID=1231 Rahoos: I thought it was how long I should plan to sit there in the coffee shop or wherever waiting for 99% confidence, but why do some trader ads say things like "About 331 hours"?
[2016-06-24 19:25] ID=1232 ???: Once again im not say use it jusy infroming you about it and @Rassahs Idea is what should be done
[2016-06-24 19:25] ID=1233 Rahoos: Another LocalTrader question - why do some traders with 0 successful or aborted trades have a 2 star rating?
[2016-06-24 19:27] ID=1234 ShortFatUglyDumb: I"ve always thawt the "Expected Trade Time" was prolly an average of the person's past trades -- from initial contact to final transaction. IDK if I'm right on that.\n\nAs for the 2-star rating, I think that's the initial default for new users.
[2016-06-24 19:27] ID=1235 ShortFatUglyDumb: ...duration from initial contact to actual trade.
[2016-06-24 19:28] ID=1236 RE_ID=1234 AROMACOMPUTERS: ok so by default you get a motel 6 rating.\nif you show to have cockroaches you get downgraded.
[2016-06-24 19:29] ID=1237 RE_ID=1228 Rassah: How long between both users accepting the trade, and actually executing it.\nUnfortunately a lot of people stupidly click Accept as soon as they make the request, even if they won't actually go through with it
[2016-06-24 19:31] ID=1238 RE_ID=1233 Rassah: I think 2 star is default, unless you fuck up and make it 1 star
[2016-06-24 19:39] ID=1239 Rahoos: Ok, so the steps are, find an ad I can work with, ignore rating for new users if there are no highly rated users nearby, click Buy/Sell, enter an amount and click start trading. That opens a private chat with the other trader, right? And at that point I'm just in negotiations and it won't affect my rating yet? Sometime later there must be an"Accept" button, which if I click on and then don't complete the trade it'll show up on my address as an aborted trade?
[2016-06-24 19:57] ID=1240 Rassah: Correct
[2016-06-24 19:58] ID=1241 Rassah: Settle on a time and place to meet. Hitting Accept commits you and the trader to show up for the trade, and punishes you if you don't go through with it, since that wastes people's time.
[2016-06-24 19:59] ID=1242 RE_ID=1241 AROMACOMPUTERS: if this could only be implemented for dealers LOL
[2016-06-24 20:13] ID=1243 ShortFatUglyDumb: I usually don't click Accept until I'm finally meeting the person live. if they want assurances I'll follow thru in meeting them, I'll stay in regular chat contact w them.
[2016-06-24 21:05] ID=1244 Rahoos: Thanks all for the advice.
[2016-06-24 21:12] ID=1245 RE_ID=1173 Superart: 
[2016-06-24 21:12] ID=1246 Superart: Counterparty
[2016-06-24 21:13] ID=1247 Rassah: Terrible acronym
[2016-06-24 21:20] ID=1248 Anomaly: That article on Telegram (put out by 'gizmodo') simply regurgitated the same misconceptions I've heard many times by detractors. And the 'security expert' quoted in the article was not a genuine expert at all, but a 'policy' administrator with the ACLU. The article also implies that default sending mode (non-secret messages) does not encrypt messages at all which is not true; they are encrypted, just not end to end (like secret messages). Like most people, security is important to me & I do use secret chats at times. A few *genuine* IT security guys (with many years experience) at my firm were talking one night about how 'terribly insecure' Telegram was. So, I offered $10,000 if any one of them could access my non-secret-chat Telegram messages. They know my phone number & username associated with my Telegram account because I gave my number & username to them for the challenge. That was a year ago, and I'm still waiting for them to show me just how 'terrible' Telegram's security is. Talk is cheap. 😆
[2016-06-24 21:28] ID=1249 RE_ID=1247 Superart: So yes counterparty or no counterparty?
[2016-06-24 21:29] ID=1250 Rassah: Not from us. We'll be focusing on Bitcoin itself.
[2016-06-24 21:29] ID=1251 Rassah: But CP is free to add support
[2016-06-24 22:25] ID=1252 ShortFatUglyDumb: @Rassah Small request w' new wallet Local Trader - pls make both trader profiles accessible. Currently only 1 profile can b seen - the trader w' the ad posted. Thx.
[2016-06-24 22:26] ID=1253 ShortFatUglyDumb: @Anomaly Brett, thx 4 clarifications!
[2016-06-24 22:27] ID=1254 RE_ID=1252 Rassah: What?
[2016-06-24 22:29] ID=1255 Rahoos: @ShortFatUglyDumb you mean so the trader with the ad posted can see rating etc for the trader that's answering the ad?
[2016-06-24 23:12] ID=1256 ShortFatUglyDumb: Yes, currently not possible. Leo posted a bug report 4 me on this a while bk, but it never went anywhere. New wallet = bug fix opportunity.
[2016-06-24 23:32] ID=1257 Cme: Is or how is the new wallet supporting the colored coin open source project?
[2016-06-24 23:33] ID=1258 Rassah: Currently it's not, but it will add Colu colored coins soon. That's all I know now
[2016-06-24 23:35] ID=1259 Cme: You don't view Colu as a competitor?
[2016-06-24 23:35] ID=1260 Rassah: Why would we?
[2016-06-24 23:36] ID=1261 Cme: It's where my MT is right now.
[2016-06-24 23:37] ID=1262 Rassah: It's just a protocol. We'll implement it in our wallet soon too. I was hoping it would be very soon, but alas we got a bit busy
[2016-06-24 23:41] ID=1263 Cme: I building assets over at colu dashboard and with the colored coin API. I move it over to the colored coin wallet. Just like the crowdsale assets you used
[2016-06-24 23:42] ID=1264 Cme: Wish the colored coin wallet was my Mycelium wallet...
[2016-06-24 23:42] ID=1265 Cme: End of year?
[2016-06-24 23:44] ID=1266 Rassah: I thought it'd be done by end of this month, but we'll have to wait until August at least
[2016-06-24 23:44] ID=1267 Cme: So colored coin protocol is only one of many Protocols? Cool on the date. This summer is going to be wild!
[2016-06-24 23:46] ID=1268 Cme: protocols you'll be supporting
[2016-06-24 23:46] ID=1269 Rahoos: Is there a better (less work for others) place to learn how to use Mycelium than asking here?
[2016-06-24 23:47] ID=1270 Rassah: We will implement Colu ourselves, but the other protocols others will have to implement into our wallet on their own
[2016-06-24 23:48] ID=1271 Cme: Thanks, hope you don't mind the questions but this space is moving quickly
[2016-06-24 23:48] ID=1272 RE_ID=1269 Rassah: I guess you can use this\nhttp://blog.bitstop.co/bitcoin-wallet-guide-101-mycelium-wallet\nBut here you get any questions asked by actual Mycelium managers and devs
[2016-06-24 23:52] ID=1273 Rahoos: Thanks @Rassah. I'll start by catching up on the basics via Menu>Help> mycelium.com\nAlso, really appreciating the other discussions here. I too am excited about everything coming this summer.
[2016-06-25 00:04] ID=1274 Cme: So is the new wallet revenue streams coming in from the rules in the asset's metadata when assets are transferred and / issued?
[2016-06-25 00:05] ID=1275 Cme: At least for the colored coins protocol
[2016-06-25 00:09] ID=1276 Cme: Will the new wallet's interface include a way to issue new assets similar to colu's dashboard?
[2016-06-25 00:10] ID=1277 Cme: And more importantly... manage those assets.(holders,etc)
[2016-06-25 00:12] ID=1278 Cme: Don't you just fucking hate shareholders❤️
[2016-06-25 00:18] ID=1279 RE_ID=1274 Rassah: No, from paid third party apps and services
[2016-06-25 00:18] ID=1280 RE_ID=1276 Rassah: Yes
[2016-06-25 00:31] ID=1281 Cme: Awesome! Crowdfund straight from Mycelium. Send IOUs...Pass out tokens to backyard plays for children. Endless.
[2016-06-25 00:32] ID=1282 Cme: Why not add the data to the rules in the metadata to pass some back to MT wallet. Just a brain fart thought.
[2016-06-25 00:35] ID=1283 Cme: Tell users. We already pay transaction fees to miners for their POW. MT's POW is in the fact that it is safe and secure. Which is why I personally support this project
[2016-06-25 00:38] ID=1284 Cme: Btw backyard with children != cp
[2016-06-25 00:38] ID=1285 Cme: Just thinking easy enough for a child to use or play with
[2016-06-25 00:55] ID=1286 RE_ID=1282 Rassah: No need
[2016-06-25 00:59] ID=1287 Cme: I meant back to the new wallet's MT crowdfund wallet address. And distribute out to holders as dividends or whatever the sharing term.
[2016-06-25 01:06] ID=1288 Cme: Actually let them opt into a rules meta and support the mycelium future.
[2016-06-25 01:08] ID=1289 Rassah: Again, no need. Besides, if we do that, people will just use any other Colu wallet to make and send them for free
[2016-06-25 01:08] ID=1290 Rassah: Don't worry, we'll have plenty of ways do make money
[2016-06-25 01:08] ID=1291 Cme: True that until they can't pay the bills
[2016-06-25 01:10] ID=1292 Cme: Coloredcoins protocol is pretty cool. Just looking for a sounding board. Ty
[2016-06-25 01:10] ID=1293 Rassah: Np
[2016-06-25 03:26] ID=1294 AROMACOMPUTERS: I'm adding a "Product" in Mycelium Gear... \nHow do I set the price in BTC, not fiat?
[2016-06-25 03:30] ID=1295 AROMACOMPUTERS: nvrmind
[2016-06-25 03:57] ID=1296 RE_ID=1295 Talon8Ya: 
[2016-06-25 17:58] ID=1297 bits_of_change: @AROMACOMPUTERS You're playing with Gear?? Since I'm all about merchant solutions, I need to learn how that works....
[2016-06-25 18:02] ID=1298 RE_ID=1297 AROMACOMPUTERS: https://admin.gear.mycelium.com/docs
[2016-06-25 18:02] ID=1299 AROMACOMPUTERS: i found a few typos in there @Rassah
[2016-06-25 19:28] ID=1300 bits_of_change: "RTFM", in other words.
[2016-06-26 22:27] ID=1301 bigs21024: well come on with this wallet lol
[2016-06-26 22:54] ID=1302 RE_ID=1301 ShortFatUglyDumb: End of year. Be patient. Slow & steady wins the race.
[2016-06-26 23:05] ID=1303 Anomaly: Somebody post a countdown timer here please ;)
[2016-06-26 23:14] ID=1304 Rassah: 5
[2016-06-26 23:26] ID=1305 Anomaly: We want a day-by-day countdown timer 😁 @Rassah
[2016-06-26 23:31] ID=1306 Rassah: 4.99999999
[2016-06-26 23:33] ID=1307 Rahoos: https://days.to/31-december/2016
[2016-06-26 23:36] ID=1308 Rassah: Big bi-weekly business call tomorrow where we go over last two weeks and plan out the next two
[2016-06-26 23:38] ID=1309 Rassah: We're still having issues finding a good and secure method for setting up the plugin infrastructure. Mostly due to Apple sucking much ass. Android has no problems. So tomorrow we'll discuss the method we settled on and move from there
[2016-06-26 23:43] ID=1310 Anomaly: Apple?...fahgettaboutit !  Android all the way 😉
[2016-06-27 07:39] ID=1311 ivglavas: None
[2016-06-27 14:03] ID=1312 Rexter: None
[2016-06-27 14:04] ID=1313 Rexter: Does Mycelium have the ability to sweep paper wallets with BIP38 support?
[2016-06-27 14:09] ID=1314 DanielWeigl: yes, use the menu "Cold Storage", then "Scan QR" and scan the private key. it will ask for the passphrase afterwards
[2016-06-27 14:33] ID=1315 Rassah: None
[2016-06-27 14:38] ID=1316 Rassah: if anyone is here.. can you tell me how to export the actual private keys from a mycelium wallet?
[2016-06-27 14:38] ID=1317 Rassah: i need a specific private key to import it into coinprism... a colouredcoin transaction was sent to mycelium by mistake
[2016-06-27 14:39] ID=1318 Rassah: Not sure that's possible. You may have to use the Export feature to export the xpriv, and then use another tool to get a specific key
[2016-06-27 19:16] ID=1319 ShortFatUglyDumb: ....& the recent feature of showing the HD derivation path in Mycelium cud come in real handy 4 that. I once bookmarked a tool 2 do just that - unfold an HD keyset 2 derived single keys. if u hav trouble finding 1 online, lmk & I'll dig it up.
[2016-06-27 22:36] ID=1320 ???: Hey can you dig that info up for me i can us it i cant really find out how
[2016-06-27 22:50] ID=1321 ShortFatUglyDumb: Here's what I bookmarked a while back: https://dcpos.github.io/bip39/  -- scroll down to Derivation Path, click BIP32, note the Mycelium comment. Note: I have NOT used this website-tool yet. Looks like there's lots of handy key tools there on that page, so you'd really need to understand what you're doing when you use it (which is why I haven't used it yet; haven't had the time to research the background). Also you should probably run it as a local Javascript file on an airgapped computer, and related security precautions, for obvious reasons.
[2016-06-28 05:59] ID=1322 Ram1689: None
[2016-06-28 14:38] ID=1323 SJ C: None
[2016-06-28 16:22] ID=1324 SJ C: Rassah, do you mind if i link this site to the Waves slack, i'm sure there a number of mycelium crowdsale participants , as well as waves investors that would be interested...although they have over 2000 members
[2016-06-28 17:03] ID=1325 Rassah: Sure
[2016-06-28 17:04] ID=1326 SJ C: cool, thanks
[2016-06-28 18:06] ID=1327 xpunk303: None
[2016-06-28 22:49] ID=1328 bigs21024: so fin tired of scammers im to nice and loosing all my btc no more trusting people ugggggh!!!!
[2016-06-28 22:59] ID=1329 Rassah: You mean on LocalTrader?
[2016-06-28 23:18] ID=1330 RE_ID=1328 Superart: ☺️\nHow long have you been into Bitcoin?
[2016-06-28 23:39] ID=1331 ???: None
[2016-06-29 04:44] ID=1332 RE_ID=1328 Rahoos: Please tell us more.
[2016-06-29 08:11] ID=1333 pyp: None
[2016-06-29 08:51] ID=1334 RE_ID=1328 AlenaSatoshi: uh, what happened?
[2016-06-29 19:02] ID=1335 SJ C: hey guys, with the mess that is going on with theDAO and ETH, does this give the mycelium team a feeling of shying away of using ETH as a platform for the mycelium tokens? or does it not change anything in terms of your choice for a home for those toens?
[2016-06-29 19:04] ID=1336 Rahoos: Umm. I thought Mycelium tokens were colored bitcoins. What's that have to do with ETH?
[2016-06-29 19:05] ID=1337 SJ C: mycelium tokens are assets on the Colu blockchain, yes colored coins (not colored bitcoins)....
[2016-06-29 19:06] ID=1338 SJ C: nothing to do with ETH at the moment but in the future, mycelium had noted that the tokens or future tokens could be moved to another platform like ETH or WAVES
[2016-06-29 19:09] ID=1339 Rahoos: Ah, I see.\nPersonally, I'm about to swap a small amount of BTC for ETH, because I think ETH is oversold because of reaction to The DAO. But I have no meaningful track record.
[2016-06-29 19:13] ID=1340 RE_ID=1335 Rassah: A little bit, yeah
[2016-06-29 19:16] ID=1341 SJ C: I see, thanks for the answer. Is there another rock solid option you guys have been thinking about besides WAVES (not saying this is rock solid, I know it's new and has to prove itself)? The eta for the new wallet seems to give you guys a bit of cushion time in deciding
[2016-06-29 19:16] ID=1342 SJ C: any interest in Rootstock?
[2016-06-29 19:18] ID=1343 RE_ID=1342 Rassah: Of course
[2016-06-29 19:18] ID=1344 Rassah: We're not biased towards anything besides bitcoin at this point
[2016-06-29 19:19] ID=1345 Rassah: So yeah, we have plenty of time to choose
[2016-06-29 19:20] ID=1346 SJ C: I see
[2016-06-29 19:21] ID=1347 SJ C: I think mycelium swish is quite ingenious, I'm wondering how you are selling this...ie do you have a sales guy running around, or something else?
[2016-06-29 19:23] ID=1348 Rassah: Basically
[2016-06-29 19:23] ID=1349 sabotagebeats: Is the product out yet?
[2016-06-29 19:25] ID=1350 Rassah: Yes, it works
[2016-06-29 19:28] ID=1351 SJ C: are you guys familiar with food order companies like seamless.com and grubhub.com?
[2016-06-29 19:28] ID=1352 Rahoos: Wow, that is ingenious.\nswish.mycelium.com
[2016-06-29 19:33] ID=1353 SJ C: can't help but wonder if mycelium could be easily integrated with already established food ordering companies.. win on multiple levels, exposure to all participating restaurants and bitcoin acceptance, the latter which i think they need
[2016-06-29 19:35] ID=1354 Rahoos: I like how the promo video doesn't mention bitcoin at all, but when Akiko taps to pay with her card, there's an equal sized big bold BTC button right below it, and she pauses just long enough for anyone that knows what it means to recognize it. I'm picturing hundreds of thousands of new consumers and merchants both starting to use the app for easy credit card payments and being introduced to bitcoin by it.
[2016-06-29 19:36] ID=1355 Rassah: Yeah, it lets you accept both btc and credit cards
[2016-06-29 19:36] ID=1356 SJ C: need a big partner like seamless or grubhub to make that happen i think
[2016-06-29 19:37] ID=1357 SJ C: otherwise might be a slow growth
[2016-06-29 19:37] ID=1358 SJ C: just my 2 cents
[2016-06-29 19:43] ID=1359 Rahoos: SJ, they appear to be the same company - do you know more?
[2016-06-29 19:43] ID=1360 Rahoos: Or one copied the other's website.
[2016-06-29 19:44] ID=1361 SJ C: yes thought it was obvious they are the same
[2016-06-29 19:45] ID=1362 SJ C: oh...you mean seamless and grubhub lol
[2016-06-29 19:45] ID=1363 SJ C: yeah i think competitors copy each other
[2016-06-29 19:48] ID=1364 Rahoos: But so nearly identical? I think they're the same company, kind of like seed catalogs.
[2016-06-29 19:50] ID=1365 SJ C: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GrubHub_Seamless#Overview
[2016-06-29 21:16] ID=1366 Mohd Zaki: None
[2016-06-30 01:46] ID=1367 meeehm: None
[2016-06-30 04:53] ID=1368 😸inaboat: None
[2016-06-30 10:07] ID=1369 BitcoinKhaleesi: @Rassah Mycelium receives positive mention here:\n\nhttp://www.americanbanker.com/bankthink/too-many-crypto-coin-crowd-sales-could-crowd-out-true-innovators-1081732-1.html
[2016-06-30 15:16] ID=1370 SJ C: I don't see anything  positive about Mycelium
[2016-06-30 16:34] ID=1371 Rassah: I just see *a* mention there...
[2016-06-30 17:40] ID=1372 ivglavas: @Rassah do you have any roadmap for Mycelium? Would be very nice to get some posts about future plans of myc team.. Eg. What will colu project give myc crowdsale participants, what are the cases people will be able to use myc-colu-waves combination etc.. at the moment we really lack of information 😁
[2016-06-30 17:40] ID=1373 SJ C: second that
[2016-06-30 18:19] ID=1374 Rassah: Ok, I'll put something together
[2016-06-30 18:20] ID=1375 ivglavas: great, tnx for that
[2016-06-30 18:22] ID=1376 llewdis: Ty
[2016-06-30 18:26] ID=1377 SJ C: cheers Rassah
[2016-07-01 15:50] ID=1378 thecryptofiend: None
[2016-07-02 15:37] ID=1379 SJ C: Anyone get this message when trying to access their colu app..{"message":"Token expired","status":403}
[2016-07-02 15:41] ID=1380 Rassah: Forwarded to our team to see if they have any comments
[2016-07-02 15:42] ID=1381 SJ C: thank you
[2016-07-03 00:38] ID=1382 SJ C: Fixed it, went to chrome://settings/cookies, searched for https://dashboard.colu.co/#/ and deleted the cookies for that site
[2016-07-03 00:38] ID=1383 SJ C: page now loads fine
[2016-07-03 00:39] ID=1384 SJ C: hmmm except my tokens are now gone
[2016-07-03 00:53] ID=1385 Rassah: That's good and bad...
[2016-07-03 00:53] ID=1386 SJ C: sent a request to colu support
[2016-07-03 00:53] ID=1387 Rassah: Ok
[2016-07-03 00:54] ID=1388 SJ C: i hope its not i lost my tokens forever bad, thats what comes to mind when you say bad :)
[2016-07-03 00:54] ID=1389 AlexRuski: didn't you save you private seed?
[2016-07-03 00:54] ID=1390 SJ C: yes i did save my private seed, is there an option somewhere to restore?
[2016-07-03 00:55] ID=1391 AlexRuski: yes
[2016-07-03 00:55] ID=1392 AlexRuski: look in the colu settings
[2016-07-03 00:55] ID=1393 AlexRuski: you should find it there
[2016-07-03 00:55] ID=1394 AlexRuski: you can download the app for you smartphone and import it there as well
[2016-07-03 00:56] ID=1395 SJ C: the private keys currently in settings are the same ones that I have saved
[2016-07-03 00:59] ID=1396 Superart: What was the rule back in the day when company stock was issued as paper stock certificates?   Thise were essentially bearer assets and tokens of ownership.  What happened when some of the paper certificates were destroyed?
[2016-07-03 01:00] ID=1397 SJ C: Failed to restore wallet on the colu android app
[2016-07-03 01:01] ID=1398 SJ C: i'm assuming there was at least a ledger in case certificates were destroyed
[2016-07-03 01:09] ID=1399 Superart: I don't think so.  That would defeat the point of having certificates in the first place.
[2016-07-03 01:10] ID=1400 SJ C: so whats the moral of the story
[2016-07-03 01:10] ID=1401 SJ C: don't delete my cookies?
[2016-07-03 01:11] ID=1402 AROMACOMPUTERS: like a bearer bond?  if those are destroyed their gone
[2016-07-03 01:16] ID=1403 Rassah: The tokens should be in the bitcoin transaction, not the cookies
[2016-07-03 01:16] ID=1404 Rassah: I don't know why Colu doesn't restore them, if your didn't move the coins anywhere
[2016-07-03 01:17] ID=1405 SJ C: no way would i move them, in fact where is there to move them except to some other guys wallet?
[2016-07-03 01:18] ID=1406 Rassah: Then they should still be there...
[2016-07-03 01:18] ID=1407 Rassah: I hope Colu fixes their shit
[2016-07-03 01:18] ID=1408 Rassah: Or we implement it into our wallet soon so we can handle it ourselves
[2016-07-03 01:19] ID=1409 SJ C: yeah strange that deleting cookies should delink the tokens...that would mean the addresses generated lose the link to my account based on cookies
[2016-07-03 01:20] ID=1410 BitKralj: I also deleted my cookies few days ago and I didn't have any problem with colu after that
[2016-07-03 01:21] ID=1411 SJ C: were your tokens still there after deleting the cookies?
[2016-07-03 01:22] ID=1412 BitKralj: yes, I just had to login and insert my decryption password
[2016-07-03 01:22] ID=1413 BitKralj: it was all there
[2016-07-03 01:22] ID=1414 SJ C: dam, didn't work for me , mine are gone
[2016-07-03 01:23] ID=1415 BitKralj: what browser are you using?
[2016-07-03 01:23] ID=1416 SJ C: chrome
[2016-07-03 01:24] ID=1417 BitKralj: same here..
[2016-07-03 01:24] ID=1418 FloridaBitcoiner: Using Counterparty is the solution
[2016-07-03 01:26] ID=1419 SJ C: as a colored coin wallet?
[2016-07-03 01:33] ID=1420 Superart: As a colored coin replacement
[2016-07-03 01:40] ID=1421 llewdis: just logged in and was prompted to reset password.  finished that and wallet decrypted as expected.  all assets there for me.  using chrome as well.
[2016-07-03 01:53] ID=1422 SJ C: checked the blockchain and the tokens are still there on my address, this just means my cookies did not have the information that linked that address to my account
[2016-07-03 01:54] ID=1423 SJ C: don't like these rotating addresses, prefer to have a single permanent one
[2016-07-03 01:54] ID=1424 SJ C: I suppose its more secure if its rotating
[2016-07-03 01:55] ID=1425 SJ C: welps at least I still have the crowdsale site to prove i still own it
[2016-07-03 01:56] ID=1426 SJ C: might have been better for me to leave on the crowdsale site, not like i am going to do anything with them any time soon
[2016-07-03 03:11] ID=1427 AlexRuski: anyone here interested in buying 1,1M?
[2016-07-03 03:13] ID=1428 AlexRuski: Rassah would you buy them back for the exact same price I paid for it?
[2016-07-03 03:13] ID=1429 AlexRuski: I'm sorry... but I'm kinda tired of waiting... that's the truth...
[2016-07-03 03:14] ID=1430 AlexRuski: even the cryptos I hold for a long time I never had to wait more than one day after launch to be able to sell them on an exchange... this is a first... so this is not for me....
[2016-07-03 03:14] ID=1431 AlexRuski: @Rassah *
[2016-07-03 03:14] ID=1432 llewdis: Pm me
[2016-07-03 03:18] ID=1433 Rassah: Yeah, sorry, we sold a stake in a company, not a crypto you just buy and trade off right away. We're a bit annoyed at the wait too though.
[2016-07-03 03:19] ID=1434 AlexRuski: crypto is a stake as well.. in my view....
[2016-07-03 03:20] ID=1435 AlexRuski: I would gladly buy back when it's tradable in some know exchange
[2016-07-03 03:25] ID=1436 AlexRuski: Where did you get this price from @Rassah?
[2016-07-03 03:25] ID=1437 AlexRuski: Rassah (Mycelium):\nSo one MT is worth $458.76 or so. Plus or minus whatever speculative value they may have
[2016-07-03 03:27] ID=1438 AlexRuski: if the currency used in the crowdsale was in BTC why say it in $
[2016-07-03 03:27] ID=1439 AlexRuski: that doesn't make much sense....
[2016-07-03 03:30] ID=1440 Rassah: I don't know what the market price of it would be, but the nominal price, as per contract, is the bitcoinaverage price at the end of the day at the end of the sale
[2016-07-03 03:30] ID=1441 Rassah: Which was $458.67
[2016-07-03 03:31] ID=1442 AlexRuski: I bought it using btc as all the others I guess.... it doesn't make sense to speculate it's price in $
[2016-07-03 03:31] ID=1443 AlexRuski: from all the companies in the world I though you would understand that
[2016-07-03 03:31] ID=1444 Rassah: Since tokens represent the value of the company, not some speculative trade value, and the company value has not changed since then, the token value shouldn't have either
[2016-07-03 03:32] ID=1445 AlexRuski: the value is 1MT = 1BTC....
[2016-07-03 03:32] ID=1446 AlexRuski: at least it should be
[2016-07-03 03:32] ID=1447 AlexRuski: since that's what I paid for it
[2016-07-03 03:33] ID=1448 AlexRuski: and that's not speculative trade value.... ¬¬
[2016-07-03 03:33] ID=1449 AlexRuski: I can't believe I spent money on this... what a let down...
[2016-07-03 03:33] ID=1450 Rassah: The price during the valuation sale was that. But the value is 5% of the company, not some amount of btc...
[2016-07-03 03:35] ID=1451 Rassah: If company valuation goes up, the token and the associated SAR goes up. And I guess if people believe the company value will go up soon, speculative value of the token will go up too
[2016-07-03 03:35] ID=1452 AlexRuski: a company focused in btc thinking in such a retrograde way
[2016-07-03 03:36] ID=1453 AROMACOMPUTERS: This does mean...  That each 1.0 BTC bought you 0. 00000936%, of the wallet company portion, of Mycelium.  Correct?
[2016-07-03 03:36] ID=1454 AROMACOMPUTERS: These might change if we find some last minute issues, but\nTotal  MT to be issued: 5310.7836 MT\n\nDetailed breakdown:\nEarly birds: 1271.0505 MT \nMycelium:   21.0382 MT\nStandard:    3929.9338 MT
[2016-07-03 03:39] ID=1455 AROMACOMPUTERS: Break even point is $50,000,000.00 × 0.00000936 = $468.00
[2016-07-03 03:46] ID=1456 AROMACOMPUTERS: ie: when Mycelium is earning 50 Mil annualy, its worth the Dollar value, in BTC paid for the token.\nCorrect if Im worng... But as far as I know, the current (non speculative, book value) is closer to...\n\n $100,000 × 0.00000936 = $0.936
[2016-07-03 03:50] ID=1457 llewdis: What is retrograde about this?  We purchased a portion of the company to fund development with the belief that in the future we would recoup our investment. That is a very speculative endeavor.
[2016-07-03 03:50] ID=1458 AlexRuski: wasn't talking about that....
[2016-07-03 03:51] ID=1459 AlexRuski: the value of the shares should be calculated in btc not in usd
[2016-07-03 03:51] ID=1460 AlexRuski: that's what I meant
[2016-07-03 03:52] ID=1461 AlexRuski: this is btc company after all...
[2016-07-03 03:54] ID=1462 llewdis: Software/hardware company that caters to btc
[2016-07-03 03:54] ID=1463 AlexRuski: that's what I meant... but with other words
[2016-07-03 04:56] ID=1464 RE_ID=1451 llewdis: Hi
[2016-07-03 12:27] ID=1465 ivglavas: People that participated in crowdsale got MC that is attached to BTC and not to USD. MC token is issued on colu colored coins platform and they represent 1 BTC value as was said in prospect of company. First stake 5% crowdsale is used for making total number of tokens and is calculated not on how many dollars were payed but how manny bitcoins were payed in crowdsale. That way first 5% stake of co. was made, calculated full stake and we got total market cap of 106.200 BTC (5310/5%). That way we fixed our 5% to the stake and in next crowdsale when people will buy portion of MC they will be able to buy max 106.200 btc and MC will sell 20% of that coins in method - how much you pay in, proportion of all invested will be added to buyers.\nThis is how I understood MC crowdsale and reason why I participated. Did I got it wrong maybe somewhere?
[2016-07-03 12:45] ID=1466 Ohaimark1989: This just in - Mycelium tokens to be tradeable on 7.7.2027
[2016-07-03 13:23] ID=1467 RE_ID=1465 AlexRuski: EXACTLY! THANKS FOR PUTTING IN BETTER WORDS!
[2016-07-03 14:03] ID=1468 AlexRuski: @Rassah look what Ivan Glavas said ^
[2016-07-03 16:10] ID=1469 RE_ID=1465 Rassah: 5310BTC/5% is not 106.200BTC
[2016-07-03 16:10] ID=1470 Rassah: Unless you mean 106200?
[2016-07-03 16:12] ID=1471 Rassah: Actually you can trade and sell the tokens for whatever you want, now that I think about it. It really isn't up to us, it's up to the market. So if you want to sell them for 1 MT = 1 BTC, that's fine
[2016-07-03 16:25] ID=1472 ivglavas: @Rassah I meant 106200. In my country we divide thousands with dot "." and decimals with comma "," 😊
[2016-07-03 16:29] ID=1473 ivglavas: My thinking is that it is important to notice that 1 btc is attached to 1 MC. That is one of big reasons I decided to participate. You see, market (or better say exchanges that control market) is attaching manny coins to USD but from my perspective that is one hell of a mistake. I live in Croatia and really do not care about USD. Buying BTC with Croatian Kunas and have no intention to transfer them in USD. That is american policy or marketing that is attaching BTC and alts to USD, but when you look at it from bigger perspective - it is not attached to USD, and alts even more. In order to buy alts you do not use USD but you use BTC. Why attaching to USD then?
[2016-07-03 16:29] ID=1474 RE_ID=1472 Rassah: That's what I thought
[2016-07-03 16:30] ID=1475 ivglavas: Would be nice to get that info outside from company, maybe now we can set up a association of small shareholders of MC and put our vote in connection with BTC not with USD 😁
[2016-07-03 16:31] ID=1476 llewdis: All crypto currency is initially purchased (if not mounted in some manner) with Fiat currency. USD/kunas or whatever
[2016-07-03 16:31] ID=1477 llewdis: Mined not miunted
[2016-07-03 16:32] ID=1478 Rassah: USD is only used for value. You can attach BTC to the tokens, but BTC went up 657÷458.67−1=  43% in value since then. I don't think our company went up that much. Maybe a little. So in that sense I guess 1MT would be worth less than 1BTC, not because MT became less valuable but just because it didn't increase as much as BTC
[2016-07-03 16:34] ID=1479 ivglavas: With that kind of logic if someone proves Bitcoin can be destroyed, all alts should be skyrocketing in USD?
[2016-07-03 16:35] ID=1480 ivglavas: Or common sense says - hey if bitcoin started blockchain technology, that means he is a locomotive for all other crypto tokens that do have some amazing story behind itself..
[2016-07-03 16:35] ID=1481 ivglavas: ?
[2016-07-03 16:38] ID=1482 Rassah: The reason I was saying it's valued in USD was because that's what the contract you signed says. Don't forget these are Stock Appreciation Rights (SAR), not altcoins, so they themselves aren't supposed to change in value. Any increase in company value is in the SAR claim, not the token itself. That's why in the contract the token is locked to a USD value, at $458.67.\nSo, if the company value went up by 43% like Bitcoin did, then your token is still worth $458.67 on our accounting books, but you also have a separate claim of $458.67*43% = $197.23 as an SAR which you can request to withdraw
[2016-07-03 16:39] ID=1483 ivglavas: My thinking says that when bitcoin succeeds (and of course it will, just follow what regulators are doing about it right now), that should prove all alts with great community and great story (usable alts) should prosper also, not die! All exchanges that are trading alts have abnormally large amounts on their accounts. The connection alts-usd is just out of every common sense as I said (just IMO)..
[2016-07-03 16:39] ID=1484 ivglavas: and yes, MC is not alt it is SAR, got that right :)
[2016-07-03 16:40] ID=1485 Rassah: If you value the token in BTC, then let's say our company went up by 50%, but bitcoin has since doubled in value going up by 100%. In that case, even if our company became more valuable, you aren't owed anything from the SAR. All you have is the token
[2016-07-03 16:41] ID=1486 ivglavas: If bitcoin goes up 50%, Mycelium will earn more in provisions, more transactions, more community involvement (we assume that). Then the price should be affected positive with that rise, because market is expectation of what will happen with that particular stock, coin, SAR or whatever you are trading
[2016-07-03 16:43] ID=1487 ivglavas: Bitcoin growth could just help all other coins, sars and any blockchain technology to prosper. If you collect money with btc that means your share capital is 50 mil usd. if btc rises that means that your share capital is rising also, not falling. by that stocks should also rise right?
[2016-07-03 16:43] ID=1488 ivglavas: or it affects negative on shares and you think it should harm the value of stocks...?
[2016-07-03 16:49] ID=1489 llewdis: Think of the SAR as angel funding for a startup. You have a tangible investment in mycilium wallet LOB that if the are profitable you will share in. If they Dona second round of financing sometime next year and they do that for 20% and they raise only 2500BTC that still may show appreciation on your initial investment because BTC has gone up in value.
[2016-07-03 16:51] ID=1490 RE_ID=1487 Rassah: That's right. And what we raised we hold 50% in BTC and 50% in USD, so the BTC rise does affect us.
[2016-07-03 16:58] ID=1491 ivglavas: @llewdis first round and second round of financing have different methods. first round is fixed amount that is creating share capital and equivalent to btc, and second one is attached to usd funding. that is the reason participants from first round will prosper in comparison with second one. that are totally different funding methods you are talking about.\n@Rassah glad to hear you still hold bitcoins on account... at least some of them 😁
[2016-07-03 16:58] ID=1492 Rassah: Also first round is non-dilutable shares
[2016-07-03 16:59] ID=1494 llewdis: Which is what we bought in on. 5%  non-dilutable
[2016-07-03 16:59] ID=1495 Rassah: A few years ago we had all bitcoins on account, and the rest in Rubles. We lost 80% in bitcoin value and 80% in Ruble value. Not making that mistake again
[2016-07-03 17:01] ID=1496 ivglavas: @Rassah sorry, non dilutable means they cannot be divided? if i bought 100 shares, i can get rid of them 100, not one by one?
[2016-07-03 17:02] ID=1497 llewdis: Of course you can
[2016-07-03 17:02] ID=1498 ivglavas: then what does it mean please?
[2016-07-03 17:02] ID=1499 llewdis: It means the MT associated can't be added too for the 5%
[2016-07-03 17:03] ID=1500 llewdis: There will never be more than ~5k MT in circulation.
[2016-07-03 17:03] ID=1501 llewdis: They represent the 5% stake in mycelium wallet LOB.
[2016-07-03 17:04] ID=1502 llewdis: It means that they cannot simply make more MT and sell it and dilute original MT value.
[2016-07-03 17:04] ID=1503 Rassah: There will be more than 5k MT in circulation of course. We will sell new MT for the next 20% sale
[2016-07-03 17:05] ID=1504 Rassah: It means that the % you bought will always be that %. So when we sold 5% of the company, if you bought 1%, you will always own that 1% regardless of any other tokens we sell.
[2016-07-03 17:06] ID=1505 ivglavas: there will be aprox 106K of MT in circulation. Next crowdfunding will show market valuation (ownership divided by invested money in) and investors from first round are attached to fixed percentage of ownership
[2016-07-03 17:06] ID=1506 llewdis: Different MT as they will not be associated with the original contract. They will have to differ. Even in colu platform it is stated that there can be no reissue.  Just like A shares vs B shares for dividends and such.
[2016-07-03 17:07] ID=1507 Rassah: If we sell the next 20% and you buy 1% of that, there's no guarantee you will own the same 1% in the future. We could sell 20% many times, and if we sell too much, your 1% of the dilutable will be worth less. Your 1% undilutable will still be worth 1%
[2016-07-03 17:07] ID=1508 RE_ID=1506 Rassah: Yes, that's right
[2016-07-03 17:10] ID=1509 Rassah: This is all so complicated XD
[2016-07-03 17:10] ID=1510 ivglavas: that is another confirmation that 1 btc invested in mc does not represent value of myc in usd but in btc. 😜
[2016-07-03 17:12] ID=1511 ivglavas: sometimes i think my head will explode of this complications with understanding all blockchain techs and possibilities they provide... and my knowledge about coding and it is from 0-100 exactly 1 😁
[2016-07-03 17:13] ID=1512 Rassah: Contractually we still have to value it in USD, which means contractually we still have to pay you any increase in value over USD price, instead of BTC price, after the next reevaluation
[2016-07-03 17:14] ID=1513 ivglavas: but how do you plan to pay in usd to participants when you do not have their bank accounts?
[2016-07-03 17:14] ID=1514 Rassah: But if you want us to value yours in BTC and only pay increase over the BTC price increase, we can do that too. Less for us to pay out 😁
[2016-07-03 17:14] ID=1515 Rassah: We pay through BTC
[2016-07-03 17:15] ID=1516 ivglavas: you can pay me usd in btc, i will not argue about that at all 😏😂😂
[2016-07-03 17:16] ID=1517 bigs21024: yes i agree it has been a long wait something has to happen soon or i hope that it pays well when it does
[2016-07-03 17:20] ID=1519 bigs21024: yes as was stated above to hold and not make nothing
[2016-07-03 17:49] ID=1520 RE_ID=1475 Superart: I think this would be great.  I'd like to see that happen.
[2016-07-03 20:05] ID=1521 pyp: None
[2016-07-04 18:37] ID=1522 RE_ID=1512 AlexRuski: and when will that happen @Rassah ?
[2016-07-04 18:44] ID=1523 RE_ID=1522 Rassah: Next time probably during the next crowdsale
[2016-07-04 18:50] ID=1524 AlexRuski: So dividends only during next crowdsale?!
[2016-07-04 18:50] ID=1525 AlexRuski: Why?
[2016-07-04 18:50] ID=1526 Rassah: Not dividends
[2016-07-04 18:56] ID=1527 AlexRuski: so what are they? and why only they will be given during next crowdsale?
[2016-07-04 18:57] ID=1528 Rassah: SAR
[2016-07-04 18:57] ID=1529 Rassah: Stock Appreciating Rights
[2016-07-04 18:57] ID=1530 AlexRuski: ok... and why only next crowdsale?
[2016-07-04 18:59] ID=1531 llewdis: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stock_appreciation_right
[2016-07-04 19:03] ID=1532 RE_ID=1530 Rassah: Because SARs depend on change in company valuation, and that isn't just arbitrary
[2016-07-04 19:04] ID=1533 AROMACOMPUTERS: Token is locked to a USD value = $458.67\nTotal BTC collected = 5,310.7836 BTC\nTotal $ value on books = $2,435,897.12\nTotal BTC Sold 1/2 = 2,655.3918 BTC\n"Guessing" price sold at = $750.00\n"Guessing" total $ hodl = $1,991,543.85\nTotal BTC hodl 1/2 = 2,655.3918 BTC\nTotal spot price value of btc hodl = 2,655.3918 * $670.00 = $1,779,112.506\n$1,779,112.506 / $458.67 = 3878.850820852\n\n3878.850820852 TOKENS worth of BTC still held.\nCould potentially buy back... up to, 3878.850820852 TOKENS..\nBack from the unqualified public investors that wants out and cant afford to stay in ????????\nAnd still have... "Guessing" total $ hodl = $1,991,543.85\nWhich is a shit load of money!\n& 20 to 1 of what I expect is current annual earnings.
[2016-07-04 19:07] ID=1534 Rassah: We sold half the BTC almost right away, so I'm guessing at $500
[2016-07-04 19:12] ID=1536 RE_ID=1534 AROMACOMPUTERS: regradless.  could use the spike in price. to allow an exit  for those that need an exit.
[2016-07-04 19:12] ID=1537 AROMACOMPUTERS: and still have PLENTY of money
[2016-07-04 19:13] ID=1538 AROMACOMPUTERS: or have "investors" continually complain to infinity.
[2016-07-04 19:14] ID=1539 AROMACOMPUTERS: as i said, i thin the token is "worth" about $1
[2016-07-04 19:14] ID=1540 AROMACOMPUTERS: based on current earnings
[2016-07-04 19:14] ID=1541 llewdis: But why should they take a hit?  Buyer beware. Read the contract. This will serve as a life lesson for some.
[2016-07-04 19:15] ID=1542 RE_ID=1541 AROMACOMPUTERS: at least you would get the $ value invested at the time
[2016-07-04 19:15] ID=1543 AROMACOMPUTERS: is that notr a good option
[2016-07-04 19:17] ID=1544 llewdis: I have offered to purchase at original price but people think they are owed BTC value for MT because they don't understand what they purchased.
[2016-07-04 19:18] ID=1545 AROMACOMPUTERS: had  ayone that bought a token knew BTC was going to MOOOON, would they have bought it or hodl'd.  Ansqwer is of course we didnt know
[2016-07-04 19:18] ID=1546 llewdis: It is silly and I don't see why mycelium should take the hit. Although it is a cheap way to buy back equity. Too bad if they did that the remaining circulating MT wouldn't increase % in company.
[2016-07-04 19:19] ID=1547 AROMACOMPUTERS: right...  i think its  a decent option for "unqualified investors"
[2016-07-04 19:19] ID=1548 AROMACOMPUTERS: which is also the main threat to mycelium, because they are "un qualified investors"
[2016-07-04 19:20] ID=1549 AROMACOMPUTERS: its those that complain, that raise hairs in gov offices, that causes problems for Mycelium...
[2016-07-04 19:21] ID=1550 llewdis: Probably would have purchased same $ (or whatever currency) value at time. At least for me if BTC was $750 I still would have bought equivalent of $500 for example. \n\nFair enough. But they are registered in Cyprus for this sale I believe. Similar to other havens where regulations are different.
[2016-07-04 19:21] ID=1551 AROMACOMPUTERS: not really a haven
[2016-07-04 19:22] ID=1552 AROMACOMPUTERS: im just saying, who wants problems that can be avoided by letting them exit
[2016-07-04 19:28] ID=1553 RE_ID=1545 Rassah: I did say that I don't expect any investment out there to outperform BTC itself
[2016-07-04 19:29] ID=1554 RE_ID=1553 AROMACOMPUTERS: would be a fool to say anything else... execot maybe s&p (unless you think it will crash)
[2016-07-04 19:30] ID=1555 AROMACOMPUTERS: is what i proposed reasonable?
[2016-07-05 02:25] ID=1556 Rahoos: Sounds reasonable to me, but that's not the point of the crowdsale. Mycelium didn't sell 5% of the new wallet just so they could buy back up to 2.5% within weeks, they sold it to raise capital. The portion that's still in BTC can be used to pay salaries, bonuses, etc, to get the new wallet finished. I can't know how they intend to use it (they might not even know yet), but they will need it eventually, and trading it back to "unqualified investors" would defeat the purpose of raising it in the first place. Much better, imho, to encourage such investors to trade with others like myself who still wish we'd got in on the crowdsale, or those like maybe @llewdis who did buy in but would like to have a larger share.
[2016-07-05 02:30] ID=1557 Rahoos: Simpler version for the non-English speakers here: I think Mycelium wants to keep the capital they've raised from the crowdsale. They need it to fund development. I think "unqualified investors should look to sell their SAR tokens to other investors.
[2016-07-05 02:35] ID=1558 llewdis: Fully agree.
[2016-07-05 03:07] ID=1559 Renocoin: Could someone tell me colu website address for check my mycelium balance
[2016-07-05 03:10] ID=1560 RE_ID=1559 Rassah: You should be able to find that information on http://crowdsale.mycelium.com
[2016-07-05 03:16] ID=1561 Renocoin: Thanks rassah everything going so well??
[2016-07-05 03:26] ID=1562 Rassah: Pretty well, yes
[2016-07-05 03:51] ID=1563 Renocoin: Thank you for answer. I would like to keep mycelium tokens for long time. Take your time and wish a great luck you, your team and the project.
[2016-07-05 04:22] ID=1564 RE_ID=1563 Rassah: Thank you very much
[2016-07-05 08:57] ID=1565 sec ond: None
[2016-07-05 09:04] ID=1566 CosmosStag: Does anyone know of any other good bitcoin telegram chats?
[2016-07-05 12:56] ID=1567 SJ C: @Rassah just an fyi, Colu has identified my issue as a bug that they will fix next week, to refresh your memory, I deleted my cookies after receiving a "token expired" message when logging into the colu dashboard, which resulted in my mycelium tokens disappearing from my account
[2016-07-05 14:27] ID=1568 RE_ID=1567 Rassah: That's great. \nI figured it was something with Colu, since the actual tokens are stored in the bitcoin blockchain itself
[2016-07-05 14:27] ID=1569 Rassah: I guess thanks guys for helping debug all these Colu problems :/
[2016-07-05 14:54] ID=1570 CryptoBNS: SJ just tried to log into my colu Account. Token expired, Status 403. you had the Same Problem? What should I do now?
[2016-07-05 14:55] ID=1571 SJ C: are you using chrome?
[2016-07-05 14:56] ID=1572 CryptoBNS: Yes
[2016-07-05 14:57] ID=1573 SJ C: in your browser goto,  chrome://settings/cookies
[2016-07-05 14:58] ID=1574 SJ C: type "dashboard.colu.co", without the quotes in the empty feild on the right
[2016-07-05 14:59] ID=1575 SJ C: hover your mouse over the result, which should be dashboard.colu.co, and an "X" should appear all the way on the right. Hit that X and restart your browser, then login to the colu dashboard
[2016-07-05 14:59] ID=1576 SJ C: you will be prompted for your password again
[2016-07-05 15:03] ID=1577 CryptoBNS: Thanks man, all good again 🎉
[2016-07-05 15:03] ID=1578 SJ C: no problem!
[2016-07-05 19:55] ID=1579 Ivandf78: None
[2016-07-05 20:02] ID=1580 twiggysmile: None
[2016-07-05 20:02] ID=1581 ???: None
[2016-07-05 20:02] ID=1582 Qantum: None
[2016-07-05 22:08] ID=1583 Criptofriend: None
[2016-07-06 03:41] ID=1584 ConicFund: None
[2016-07-06 03:43] ID=1585 ConicFund: Hello
[2016-07-06 03:44] ID=1586 ConicFund: Is there any news about MT listing  on exchanges?
[2016-07-06 03:50] ID=1587 Rassah: We're having a conference call on that either later this week or early next
[2016-07-06 03:51] ID=1588 llewdis: Can't happen soon enough. Thanks for the info.
[2016-07-06 03:53] ID=1589 RE_ID=1588 AROMACOMPUTERS: Does everyone in here want to sell?\nSurely some want to Hodl...
[2016-07-06 03:53] ID=1590 llewdis: I want to buy
[2016-07-06 05:10] ID=1591 Rahoos: Buy
[2016-07-06 09:23] ID=1592 ivglavas: it is not good to list coin with this low transparency and information of what is going on with the project. due to overhyped ico's on the market, manny participants invested just to try to earn from first day listing. It does not go that way and people need information in order to become interested in this project.
[2016-07-06 09:26] ID=1593 ivglavas: Market became overhyped when people realized there can be great projects from some alt coins. That is why more interest came to market, but is now overloaded with projects, and much much undervalued due to lack of information. @Rassah how is it going with that article on colu-waves-mycelium integration possibilities?
[2016-07-06 09:38] ID=1594 marcellom: None
[2016-07-06 13:38] ID=1595 CoolCashOnline: None
[2016-07-06 13:44] ID=1596 CoolCashOnline: Ivan, this is not a coin. Its a stake in 5% of the wallet side of the company.
[2016-07-06 13:47] ID=1597 SJ C: except that stake is tradeable or will be, will make no difference to the uninformed
[2016-07-06 13:50] ID=1598 SJ C: I would be more interested in how's of each mycelium projects are progressing in terms of sales and profits. They are such intriguing technologies one has to wonder why there is not much buzz about it, when there really should be
[2016-07-06 13:58] ID=1599 ???: Often a significant percentage of people who purchase ICO's are primarily purchasing in hopes of flipping their tokens/coins for a quick profit.  I'm sure we have some of those folks holding MT's as well, but I presume that percentage is lower here because of what the MT is.  I have observed a few people looking to purchase MT's (first time/increase position), so they may quickly mop up any available tokens once it becomes trade-able.  Regardless of whether the cost goes up or down, the VALUE remains the same to me... my tokens represent a portion of Mycelium Wallet that I can call my own.
[2016-07-06 14:05] ID=1600 SJ C: @Rassah just to clarify, currently 5% of the company is a SAR, I'm assuming the other 95% will be classified with different tokens, for arguments sake call it MT2 tokens with a separate blockchain?
[2016-07-06 14:07] ID=1601 SJ C: @Cerberus65 I think those people looking to flip quickly have miscalculated and are the uninformed
[2016-07-06 14:07] ID=1602 Rassah: Yes, I believe so. We may even use a different blockchain tech for the subsequent issuances
[2016-07-06 14:07] ID=1603 SJ C: I went into this knowing this will be a long term (more than a year) hold
[2016-07-06 14:12] ID=1604 ???: @Rassah does WAVES qualify as a "different blockchain tech"...?😜
[2016-07-06 14:12] ID=1605 CoolCashOnline: 😊👍
[2016-07-06 14:13] ID=1606 SJ C: @Rassah so really , the triggering events are really what we should , as investors be looking for since market value of the traded token (and any subsequent tokens) will not be considered a triggering event?
[2016-07-06 14:13] ID=1607 SJ C: unless google swoops in a buys out all the tokens
[2016-07-06 14:13] ID=1608 SJ C: :)
[2016-07-06 14:14] ID=1609 RE_ID=1604 Rassah: It does... but we were thinking ETH, before the DAO, or counterparty.
[2016-07-06 14:15] ID=1610 ???: ahhh k.
[2016-07-06 14:15] ID=1611 RE_ID=1606 Rassah: That's correct. Or any announcements that suggest a good, or bad, trigger event outcome in the near future
[2016-07-06 14:16] ID=1612 SJ C: I say this as a waves investor, but i would want mycelium to choose the platform with the greatest exposure, that being said waves platform has the ability to develop any links to any other blockchain
[2016-07-06 14:16] ID=1613 SJ C: @Rassah ok thanks for the clarification
[2016-07-06 14:20] ID=1614 SJ C: I think counterparty is an intriguing tech based on the solid btc blockchain, but if we look at coinmarketcap, counterparty's entire market cap is only $7 million, ETH is still by far has the most exposure
[2016-07-06 14:20] ID=1615 SJ C: NEM has gained and I think worthy of consideration
[2016-07-06 14:20] ID=1616 SJ C: I want to push Waves but they are still in the early stages and small :(
[2016-07-06 14:21] ID=1617 Rassah: Market cap for Counterparty doesn't seem as relevant, since it's just a way of recording things to the blockchain. Like Colu
[2016-07-06 14:22] ID=1618 Rassah: Only security of the network really matters
[2016-07-06 14:24] ID=1619 ???: ...holding a stake in Waves myself, but I agree with SJ , NEM and counterparty both seem solid choices.
[2016-07-06 14:25] ID=1620 SJ C: Exposure to a wider audience is a win on multiple levels, brings attention to mycelium and it's techs, entices and encourages trade of tokens. It's kind of like free marketing, no?
[2016-07-06 14:41] ID=1621 SJ C: not to discount the importance of security of the blockchain of course
[2016-07-06 14:42] ID=1622 RE_ID=1599 llewdis: Exactly
[2016-07-06 14:44] ID=1623 SJ C: From what i can remember, more than 50% of the crowdsale came in the last few days, probably from flippers, now finding out their miscalculation. I just might take some off their hands once the MT's become tradable
[2016-07-06 14:46] ID=1624 llewdis: 😃
[2016-07-06 14:53] ID=1625 ivglavas: @Spencer Allen it is a coin, it just represents stake in 5% of wallet. The coin is made from colu platform that makes coins 😁
[2016-07-06 14:58] ID=1626 ivglavas: @Cerberus My thinking is that MT has very much folks that participated without knowing why and what it is. You could see that in last two days of crowdsale when total amount doubled. Would be nice if @Rassah posts data about ICO also... This is blockchain industry and everything is transparent, but should be described and explained to people who do not know how to find and read data from blockchain(s)
[2016-07-06 15:03] ID=1627 Rahoos: Here's the podcast episode where I learned about it. Dmitry talks about a lot of other aspects of the company also, but I heard enough about the wallet crowdsale to know I wanted a stake in it, and to expect it to be a very long term investment.\nhttp://libertyentrepreneurs.com/2016/05/le34-dmitry-murashchik-create-profitable-bitcoin-wallet/
[2016-07-06 15:03] ID=1628 ???: Ivan  if you are correct and they wish to offload their tokens, some of us will be building on our positions.  😁
[2016-07-06 15:11] ID=1629 ivglavas: we do not have any data on how crowdsale went and any report about it. that is why we need some of reports
[2016-07-06 15:13] ID=1630 ivglavas: David this is one great investment (MT). What I would like to see is will we see any provisions in future from mycelium transactions. That would be awesome 😏
[2016-07-06 15:18] ID=1631 Cme: Is mycelium losing faith in the coloredcoins protocol?
[2016-07-06 15:31] ID=1632 SJ C: no, they are hesitant about ETH platform
[2016-07-06 15:31] ID=1633 SJ C: because of the DAO debacle
[2016-07-06 15:32] ID=1634 SJ C: as well they should
[2016-07-06 15:35] ID=1635 Cme: What does coloredcoins protocol have to do with etherium?
[2016-07-06 15:35] ID=1636 Cme: Nothing
[2016-07-06 15:35] ID=1637 SJ C: you asked
[2016-07-06 15:36] ID=1638 SJ C: that's what they are losing faith in
[2016-07-06 15:36] ID=1639 SJ C: not colored coin protocols
[2016-07-06 15:37] ID=1640 Cme: That is not what i asked, but thanks for taking a stab at it.
[2016-07-06 15:38] ID=1641 SJ C: ok
[2016-07-06 15:40] ID=1642 Cme: Why look at counterparty (or others)for next token distribution? I understand keeping options open is good,but interested in where mycelium stand with regard to coloredcoins protocol
[2016-07-06 15:44] ID=1643 Cme: Seems like wait and see is the norm at the moment. And this waitency is caused by LN and segwit. Just looking for signals in the noise
[2016-07-06 16:20] ID=1644 Rassah: Keep in mind, it's not like we're trying to keep the tokens off of exchanges. Quite the opposite. I don't know why Colu is having trouble bringing exchanges onboard, but I'll find it this week or the next
[2016-07-06 16:21] ID=1645 RE_ID=1623 Rassah: Actually a lot of that was from really big investors, like VCs and mining companies. We've had buys for as much as 100 to 250 BTC
[2016-07-06 16:23] ID=1646 RE_ID=1631 Rassah: We are, um, frustrated at least. Colu is actively fixing bugs and issues that people are reporting, so that's good, but their support is pretty bad, which ends up being taken out on us
[2016-07-06 16:23] ID=1647 Cme: Personally I'm keeping my MT for a long time so exchanging is not big deal to me. I'm building apps w/ coloredcoins protocol and don't want to be out of step with Mycelium wallet.
[2016-07-06 16:24] ID=1648 SJ C: @Rassah that's good to hear, perhaps the initial dump won't be bad :)
[2016-07-06 16:24] ID=1649 RE_ID=1633 Rassah: Actually it's because of one of our dev's analysis http://nakamotoinstitute.org/mempool/ethereum-is-doomed/
[2016-07-06 16:25] ID=1650 ???: @Rassah where can i find the statistical breakdown of the MT investments?
[2016-07-06 16:27] ID=1651 RE_ID=1642 Rassah: Only reason to look at other options is to experiment. The tokens are a stake in our company, not separate altcoins, so it doesn't matter what they're on. We discussed future alternatives even before the Colu crowdsale was over, and it wasn't because of Colu. In the future we'd like the option to switch between different blockchains to hold tokens too. So, if you don't like Colu, you'd switch your Colu token to, say, Counterparty token. There's no real decentralization in this specific setup, since it all entirely depends on our company
[2016-07-06 16:28] ID=1652 Cme: Roger that
[2016-07-06 16:28] ID=1653 RE_ID=1650 Rassah: We don't have that publicly available. I don't know if that's something we will publish. I wanted to have the HD address xpub completely public so people can track our crowdsale transparently...
[2016-07-06 16:29] ID=1654 Rassah: But those big investors said they would only invest if they could do it anonymously
[2016-07-06 16:30] ID=1655 Rassah: Could be wealthy Chinese diversifying their bitcoins
[2016-07-06 16:33] ID=1656 Rassah: It's really unfortunate that we did the wallet reveal and crowdsale in May. I really wanted to wait until August. We would've been farther along at that point (we're just setting up the plugin architecture), and we are maybe a week away from CoinShuffle finally working. By August anonymous investors would've been able to send to a public address anonymously, and we could've still been public and transparent. As such, we can just be transparent about our token issuance address.
[2016-07-06 16:33] ID=1657 Rassah: But oh well, lessons learned I hope
[2016-07-06 16:40] ID=1658 ???: @Rassah fair enough on the anonymity, but all i'm really interested in is seeing a breakdown of what the holdings look like from large to small.  not even care about finding address or following them... more interested in how many investors >x how many <x and >y type information.  had you waited, the environment may have been worse, you can never know for sure.  i think timing turned out ok... you raised a respectable amount without getting crazy.
[2016-07-06 16:40] ID=1659 RE_ID=1652 ivglavas: @Rassah explore bitshares openledger platform. That is decentralized exchange and maybe you can list tokens there?
[2016-07-06 16:51] ID=1660 Cme: Yea bitshares so I can dump my steemit tokens from mycelium.
[2016-07-06 16:54] ID=1661 favdesu: bitshares works pretty good with ICO
[2016-07-06 17:00] ID=1662 RE_ID=1649 SJ C: If true (because I am too lazy to verify and am not invested in ETH, although maybe I should short it lol) , what a mess!
[2016-07-06 17:39] ID=1663 Rahoos: For anyone like me who doesn't know much, here's the original reddit announcement of the crowdsale.\nhttps://m.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/4gkxox/mycelium_new_wallet_announcement/?utm_source=mweb_redirect&compact=true\nI've picked up a lot of helpful details and a couple interesting leads from reading this. Funny that I've mentioned Dmitry Miraschik here several times without realizing that Dmitry is @Rassah. Glad I only had good things to say. I really enjoyed that interview @Rassah, thanks.
[2016-07-06 17:40] ID=1664 Rassah: Um, thanks :)
[2016-07-06 19:41] ID=1665 Rene Van Engelenburg: None
[2016-07-06 20:01] ID=1666 RE_ID=1661 sabotagebeats: Still learning how bitshares  works
[2016-07-07 07:13] ID=1667 RE_ID=1651 Hemyolin: Out of curiosity, what other token wallets/chains are you considering if colu doesn't work? Counterparty? Multichain? Something else?
[2016-07-07 07:33] ID=1668 Hemyolin: And how can someone develop MyC Plugins?
[2016-07-07 08:53] ID=1669 CryptoBNS: One of my friends wants to sell his MT. I got half of it and the other half (4 MT) still available. 1 MT = 1  BTC. Anyone interested?
[2016-07-07 09:47] ID=1670 Neo Cortex: None
[2016-07-07 11:09] ID=1671 madslime: None
[2016-07-07 14:10] ID=1672 RE_ID=1667 Rassah: Too early to make any decisions with that
[2016-07-07 16:59] ID=1673 Hemyolin: Mostly curious about your take on viable contenders currently in the market for CC sale and asset management. There is CP, and MC. There's Colu of course. Anybody else?
[2016-07-08 02:07] ID=1674 Cme: Have you reviewed the Bitfury Flare -LN white paper? http://bitfury.com/content/5-white-papers-research/whitepaper_flare_an_approach_to_routing_in_lightning_network_7_7_2016.pdf
[2016-07-08 02:10] ID=1675 Cme: Will the Mycelium wallet allow me to set up a payment channel like Olaoluwa Osuntokun described it in appendix A?
[2016-07-08 02:11] ID=1676 sabotagebeats: Are those words
[2016-07-08 02:13] ID=1677 Cme: Assuming I keep my phone on 7/24
[2016-07-08 04:50] ID=1678 llewdis: Curious how many buyers there were of MT vs how many members of this channel. Any ideas?
[2016-07-08 06:12] ID=1679 Rassah: We had a bit over 1000 buyers
[2016-07-08 07:09] ID=1680 AROMACOMPUTERS: Hello Robert,\n\nThanks for getting back to us.\n\nI'm sorry that Stripe can no longer work with your company. Please don't think this is a judgement on you or your business, this is purely a financial decision. Our banking partners are a bit on the conservative side, and because of this aren't willing to allow us to support anything related to the marijuana business. I'm afraid that even this conference you're selling tickets to falls under this umbrella.\n\nI can certainly understand any frustration that this may cause, as it is a shared frustration. It is our goal at Stripe to support as many businesses as possible, and this sometimes brings us into conflict with our banking partners. Thankfully we can still process payments for you until June 27th. Hopefully this will give you time to get set up with a new payment processor. Please let me know if you need any help moving any data from this account to your new processor.\n\nI hope this helps to give some context as to why we're not able to support your business. I'm sorry that we're unable to work with you but I hope you have great success in the future.\n\nBest wishes,\n\nDave R.
[2016-07-08 07:09] ID=1681 AROMACOMPUTERS: Good thing Mycelium Gear is still up and running 😂
[2016-07-08 12:25] ID=1682 SJ C: @AROMACOMPUTERS You're using Gear for your business? any input on how it works?
[2016-07-08 18:11] ID=1683 RE_ID=1682 AROMACOMPUTERS: Quite easy
[2016-07-08 18:24] ID=1684 SJ C: Easy is good :)
[2016-07-09 19:36] ID=1685 Rassah: https://m.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/4s0dku/mycelium_and_waves_platform_announce_shared/d55m690
[2016-07-09 19:37] ID=1686 Rassah: We're having a wallet business/strategy/planning meeting tomorrow and Monday
[2016-07-09 19:37] ID=1687 RE_ID=1686 sabotagebeats: Interesting so is waves not a scam now?
[2016-07-09 19:37] ID=1688 Rassah: I don't know
[2016-07-09 19:37] ID=1689 sabotagebeats: Me either
[2016-07-09 19:38] ID=1690 sabotagebeats: I almost bought ico
[2016-07-09 20:05] ID=1691 RE_ID=1687 marcellom: I don't think,  and i hope because i bought in ico😄\nSasha has a good reputation with all the previous assets and business issued on NXT AE.  Post ico was managed well and they have a clear roadmap
[2016-07-09 20:12] ID=1692 AlexRuski: still think waves is scam
[2016-07-09 21:42] ID=1694 RE_ID=1692 marcellom: The truth spoke. Amen!\nHave you some real fact or you can expose a logical think.\nOr it's the usual crypto game: scream the scam...
[2016-07-09 21:51] ID=1695 AlexRuski: I said I think... not that I know....
[2016-07-09 21:52] ID=1696 AlexRuski: Rise I'm almost certain that is a scam... dev behind it was behind other projects/scams
[2016-07-09 21:52] ID=1697 AlexRuski: but I read somewhere about weird movement on the waves ico money....
[2016-07-09 22:36] ID=1698 marcellom: Ico money are in multisig escrow. If i remember exactly one of the escrow is a mycelium's staff or dev. Ico money are released as usual referring to the roadmap.  You can join slack or wavestalk or waves blog for info.
[2016-07-10 06:54] ID=1699 RE_ID=1698 Rassah: One of escrow is Mycelium? Where did you find that out? I'm not aware, but they don't tell me everything
[2016-07-10 08:06] ID=1700 marcellom: Was in the waves's ico page and bitcointalk op thread that now are changed.  I go with my memory so i can be wrong. But I am quite sure because was one of the reasons i took part to mycelium's ico.\nIf i have time i ask in slack for confirmation; if you are linked to mycelium ask them directly, Perhaps the easiest think.
[2016-07-10 08:09] ID=1701 Rassah: I'm in charge of the wallet. I know none of my devs are holding any Waves funds in escrow. Maybe another non-wallet dev or one of the higher ups
[2016-07-10 08:31] ID=1702 RE_ID=1701 marcellom: Well, we can find the exact information later, we are not in a hurry with this think.\nbefore i want to read the mycelium/waves agreement: i think it's a good move for both
[2016-07-10 18:52] ID=1703 ???: None
[2016-07-10 18:53] ID=1704 ???: I have not been able to sign into colu dashboard for over a month and emails to colu and mycelium has not helped.
[2016-07-10 18:56] ID=1705 Rassah: What's the error message?
[2016-07-10 18:57] ID=1706 ???: After clicking the link in the verification email, I need to enter a password, after doing so, I get an error message....I believe I have emailed you screenshots.
[2016-07-10 18:58] ID=1707 ???: [email protected] and [email protected]
[2016-07-10 18:59] ID=1708 ???: gotta run, football match in progress email me if you like.
[2016-07-10 19:00] ID=1709 Rassah: Found the email. Let me see where we left off
[2016-07-10 19:08] ID=1710 Numberheadman: None
[2016-07-10 19:16] ID=1711 ivglavas: Alexander  I think you have no right to say Waves is scam just because you think that without any confirmation about it. Because that way you can affect market and public opinion but without any prove or opinion about it. I think you are much more scam guy then Sasha who reviled his profile and has some credibility due to his past work.
[2016-07-10 22:00] ID=1712 Rassah: Daniel Krawisz's CoinShuffle just worked. We have a working CoinShuffle implementation. Just need to clean up some bugs.
[2016-07-10 22:02] ID=1713 ???: @Rassah Good that you found the emails.  Just let me know if there is any progress thank you.
[2016-07-10 22:12] ID=1714 Rassah: Unfortunately it's the weekend and he's busy with something else, but I'll keep bugging him
[2016-07-10 22:13] ID=1715 SJ C: sorry haven't been following coinshuffle, what's the implication for mycelium?
[2016-07-10 22:14] ID=1716 AROMACOMPUTERS: how long does it take to shuffle?
[2016-07-10 22:15] ID=1717 AROMACOMPUTERS: could i say, shuffle good enough to obfuscate... or set to extreme paranoid shufle.
[2016-07-10 22:21] ID=1718 RE_ID=1715 Rassah: Implication for bitcoin as a whole. Makes it very anonymous
[2016-07-10 22:25] ID=1719 Rassah: DanielK says it depends on the communication channel, but not more that half a minute
[2016-07-10 22:26] ID=1720 SJ C: hmm will take a look
[2016-07-10 22:29] ID=1721 SJ C: cool concept, but it doesn't look like it's going to make money for anyone
[2016-07-10 22:32] ID=1722 SJ C: Can coinshuffle be integrated to the mycelium wallet?
[2016-07-10 22:37] ID=1723 RE_ID=1722 Rassah: That's our plan long term
[2016-07-10 22:39] ID=1724 Rassah: The idea wasn't to make money off of it, but to fulfill our promise of making CoinJoin available and helping to make bitcoin more anonymous
[2016-07-10 23:09] ID=1725 SJ C: i see
[2016-07-11 02:24] ID=1726 theillson: None
[2016-07-11 11:08] ID=1727 ShortFatUglyDumb: I'm very much looking 4wd 2 CoinShuffle in the new Myc wallet. Right now there doesn't seem 2 b any reliable CoinJoin/CoinShuffle implementation out there, except JoinMarket, which requires a bit of effort to setup, config, and run.
[2016-07-11 11:24] ID=1728 Rassah: JoinMarket isn't probably secure/private, and recently announced that they are less anonymous than they thought they were, which is kind of what we told them and why we didn't just use them
[2016-07-11 17:07] ID=1729 ???: @Rassah Do you have any time estimate for the solution to my log in issues?
[2016-07-11 17:33] ID=1730 Superart: Will coin shuffle be coming out in the new wallet only, or will it be available as an update to the current wallet?
[2016-07-11 20:07] ID=1731 Rassah: Initially it will be a standalone Java application. Then it will be in the new wallet, and I don't know the chance of it being in the old
[2016-07-11 23:46] ID=1732 Superart: So the standalone java application will run in a browser?
[2016-07-12 01:02] ID=1733 Anomaly: I hope the new wallet will be as bug free and simple to use as the current wallet. Reliability is the most important thing to me!
[2016-07-12 01:05] ID=1734 AROMACOMPUTERS: speaking of coding talent... Have you hired any new dev's?
[2016-07-12 09:24] ID=1735 Rassah: It will run as a standalone Java application, I think
[2016-07-12 09:24] ID=1736 Rassah: The answer to this question is yes
[2016-07-13 02:52] ID=1737 ???: @Rassah still can not access my tokens at colu.com
[2016-07-13 08:50] ID=1738 RE_ID=1737 Rassah: Did colu reply?
[2016-07-13 08:51] ID=1739 Rassah: Their support is really unresponsive, and unfortunately we can't do anything without them
[2016-07-13 10:07] ID=1740 ???: @Rassah Yes someone from colu sent me an email.  If they need can you forward the screenshots I have sent you?  [email protected]
[2016-07-13 10:13] ID=1741 Rassah: I don't know. I have many emails,
[2016-07-13 10:13] ID=1743 Rassah: Would be hard to find yours
[2016-07-13 10:13] ID=1744 RE_ID=1709 ???: from this message said you found it
[2016-07-13 10:14] ID=1745 Rassah: Oh, yes. I forwarded it to them
[2016-07-13 10:14] ID=1746 ???: can you please forward to [email protected]?
[2016-07-13 10:52] ID=1747 Rassah: Forwarded again
[2016-07-13 10:52] ID=1748 ???: ok thank you
[2016-07-13 16:33] ID=1749 AlexRuski: @Rassah could you make a small summary of what happened this week? so we can have a week by week progress!
[2016-07-13 16:48] ID=1750 Rassah: Um, yeah, I still have to do that. I'm in Barcelona, going to a bitcoin meetup here, and am somewhat on vacation with really spotty internet
[2016-07-13 16:49] ID=1751 AlexRuski: Rassah, I'm asking for week small summary.... that doesn't take more than 2 minutes to write ¬¬
[2016-07-13 16:55] ID=1752 Rassah: We made some decisions to change some things in how we plan to go forward
[2016-07-13 17:07] ID=1753 Superart: Progress is progressing?
[2016-07-13 17:10] ID=1754 AlexRuski: @Rassah could you share it with us?
[2016-07-13 17:20] ID=1755 Rassah: We reviewed three job applicants, found two inadequate and one we're still considering
[2016-07-13 17:20] ID=1756 Rassah: Unfortunately CoinShuffle is still being configured to run a transaction on testnet coins. It passed all the tests for establishing connections, mixing, and error or attack cases, but that's not with actual coin transactions yet
[2016-07-13 17:21] ID=1757 AlexRuski: @Rassah how about the decision to change the way you go forward....
[2016-07-13 17:21] ID=1758 AlexRuski: I would say that's pretty important for all of us
[2016-07-13 17:22] ID=1759 Rassah: Yeah, that was important
[2016-07-13 17:22] ID=1760 AlexRuski: so what is that change?
[2016-07-13 17:25] ID=1761 Rassah: iOS is a terrible terrible OS, especially when it comes to security practices
[2016-07-13 17:28] ID=1762 AlexRuski: people usually say the opposite... apple even left the iOS 10 kernel intentionally open
[2016-07-13 17:29] ID=1763 AlexRuski: but that doesn't change my question... what are those important changes?
[2016-07-13 17:29] ID=1764 Rassah: Basically it doesn't support multiple threads within the program, so if you have two programs running within one app, they will have access to each others memory.
[2016-07-13 17:30] ID=1765 Rassah: iOS is really only good for running one app in one instance at a time. I guess it was designed to not multitask from the very beginning, and it's been like that ever since
[2016-07-13 19:53] ID=1768 Rassah: Some people chose to participate in the MT offering because Waves community warmly embraced and promoted the MT offering.  My sense from your comments however, is that you have a somewhat negative view of Waves platform (team).  You are knowledgeable and connected, so i do not believe you are simply "agnostic" on this topic.  What do you really think about Waves, the Waves team, and the shared roadmap between Waves and Mycelium?
[2016-07-13 19:54] ID=1769 Rassah: My only concern about Waves is that they keep promoting themselves and mentioning us, trying to get credibility from our name. If anything happens to them, that's an extra risk on us.
[2016-07-13 19:54] ID=1770 SJ C: I don't know about Rassah, but I am super excited that waves tokens can travel on the mycelium card :)
[2016-07-13 19:56] ID=1771 Rassah: Otherwise, as I said, Waves approached us, presented us with their technology that we would really like to use, and offered to help us use it when they're done. We aren't doing anything for them, nor collaborating with them. Not yet anyway. If their product fails or their company is a scam, that doesn't really affect us. We just end up being promised something cool that ends up being a lie.
[2016-07-13 19:58] ID=1772 Rassah: But we asked about and discussed Waves with our CEO this past weekend (he came to visit in person), and they seem OK. Ambitious, worth a project that may be difficult to pull off, but they're working and coming up with new things, so I guess they're fine. At least that's my current opinion based on my limited knowledge of them.
[2016-07-13 20:01] ID=1773 ???: Rassah, I understand (and greatly appreciate) that your first concern is Mycelium and protecting the brand.  I suppose viewing ALL projects with a degree of scepticism is a healthy approach.  I'm heavily invested in both MT and Waves, so am hoping that the relationship is exceptionally productive for both teams.  Thank you for giving your thoughts.
[2016-07-13 20:01] ID=1774 SJ C: alot of waves investors didn't know what mycelium was, in that sense i believe it was mutually beneficial. Waves being the new tech will need to build up their reputation and technology while mycelium is more established. That being said, those involved in the waves project have a proven history within the cryptocurrency world, a proven reputation with great communication. Waves is a very professionally run project
[2016-07-13 20:02] ID=1775 SJ C: They also have a strong cooperation mentality, perhaps too much to a fault. Sometimes I think they are expecting that from others as well
[2016-07-13 20:07] ID=1776 SJ C: by the way, I was one who never heard of mycelium until waves mentioned it :)
[2016-07-13 20:11] ID=1777 ???: @Rassah  was the very first person I ever asked a question of in btc... mycelium was my first and only wallet.  It was that positive experience that made me start buying more BTC and getting into some of the other crypto currency ideas out there.  If Rassah said sell everything tomorrow and buy a banana farm, i'd at least give it serious consideration.  Much trust.  :D
[2016-07-13 20:32] ID=1778 SJ C: I make a bold prediction, Rassah will love waves in one year or less :)
[2016-07-13 21:19] ID=1779 ethereum: http://www.visualcapitalist.com/chart-epic-collapse-deutsche-bank/
[2016-07-13 21:25] ID=1780 RE_ID=1774 Rassah: I find that hard to believe, but...
[2016-07-13 21:25] ID=1781 RE_ID=1776 Rassah: ... I guess I stand corrected
[2016-07-13 21:25] ID=1782 Rassah: We at Mycelium Wallet (devs, etc) have been around bitcoin for years, some from early 2011, and know many bitcoin companies, but we've never heard of Waves until the crowdsale. So it's surprising that people haven't heard of Mycelium that has been around and public for so many years, while having heard of Waves.
[2016-07-13 21:38] ID=1783 marcellom: @Rassah  for me it's the same as SJC. I never heard about mycelium until it was mentioned in slack.  But it's not strange because i was not interested in mobile wallet so i didn't care much about the items.\nAnd you can know about waves and the people behind it only if you have had interest in NXT and its comnunity.
[2016-07-13 21:40] ID=1784 marcellom: Btw i changed mobile wallet after i read about mycelium.  Great product and great roadmap for the future.
[2016-07-13 21:40] ID=1785 Rassah: Oh, that makes sense. We aren't really involved with NTX or similar things. We mostly focus on Bitcoin. Speaking of, we need to make more BIPs
[2016-07-13 21:41] ID=1786 Rassah: And thanks! :)
[2016-07-14 01:24] ID=1787 Cme: Don't the developers have better things to do with their time besides writing brilliant articles on Reddit?
[2016-07-14 01:25] ID=1788 Cme: http://nakamotoinstitute.org/mempool/its-not-about-the-technology-its-about-the-money/
[2016-07-14 01:47] ID=1789 Rassah: Hey, that earned a $10 tip. That's still revenue
[2016-07-14 01:47] ID=1790 Cme: Loverly
[2016-07-14 01:48] ID=1791 Cme: I really liked it. Wasn't sure until I finished the entire read.
[2016-07-14 01:50] ID=1792 Cme: Makes ya think deeper about waves and ask why?
[2016-07-14 01:50] ID=1793 Cme: But I leave it to the experts
[2016-07-14 01:54] ID=1794 Rassah: Yeah...
[2016-07-14 08:04] ID=1795 Gladpack: None
[2016-07-14 13:53] ID=1796 SJ C: @Rassah Perhaps Daniel should try posting on steemit, would be rather ironic to his article :), but i am willing to bet he will still take the money he earns on steemit
[2016-07-14 16:10] ID=1797 AlexRuski: I just found this post talk on steemit bug: https://steemit.com/steem/@blakemiles84/two-users-are-gaming-the-liquidity-reward-system-and-earning-1200-steem-per-hour
[2016-07-14 16:13] ID=1798 jhon_Doe: a lot of top holder steemit account was hacked today
[2016-07-14 16:13] ID=1799 jhon_Doe: from discussion in slack
[2016-07-14 16:13] ID=1800 Rassah: I'm guessing steemit isn't even worth explaining
[2016-07-14 16:14] ID=1801 ethereum: Agreed!
[2016-07-14 16:45] ID=1802 SJ C: not post about steemit, post on thesteemit site and earn money
[2016-07-14 16:46] ID=1803 Rassah: Oh oh oh
[2016-07-14 16:47] ID=1804 SJ C: some people are amking alot of money, with the rise of the steemit price. Perhaps Daniel could take advantage
[2016-07-14 19:47] ID=1805 SJ C: @Rassah the payouts for trigger events, they will be paid in BTC?
[2016-07-14 21:01] ID=1806 ???: None
[2016-07-14 21:31] ID=1807 Rassah: I think so
[2016-07-17 15:28] ID=1808 RE_ID=1789 bigs21024: i wish i could
[2016-07-17 15:33] ID=1809 Rassah: We're finally talking to Waves and grilling them about their technology and company. Honestly we should've done that much earlier
[2016-07-17 15:34] ID=1810 thecryptofiend: What do you mean you are finally talking to them and grilling them?
[2016-07-17 15:35] ID=1811 Rassah: I mean just the wallet dev team. Until now it was all upper management talking to them and making deals
[2016-07-17 15:35] ID=1812 Rassah: Now we're asking about technical details
[2016-07-17 15:35] ID=1813 thecryptofiend: OK but it sounds like you are suspicious of their claims?
[2016-07-17 15:36] ID=1814 Rassah: No, we are suspicious of everyone
[2016-07-17 15:36] ID=1815 Cme: How's your relationship w/ colu (coloredcoins) coming along?
[2016-07-17 15:37] ID=1816 Rassah: It's OK.
[2016-07-17 15:37] ID=1817 Rassah: They're very busy :/ So are we though
[2016-07-17 15:37] ID=1818 Cme: Ty
[2016-07-17 15:37] ID=1819 thecryptofiend: I invested in both WAVES and Mycelium - the main reason I invested was because of the link up between WAVES and Mycelium.  If you are suspicious of them or doubting them that is very concerning.
[2016-07-17 15:37] ID=1820 Rassah: And, just because we don't endorse someone doesn't mean they're a scam either. Just means we don't know enough
[2016-07-17 15:41] ID=1821 thecryptofiend: Sorry but that is not really very reassuring.  Seems like basic logic that you would only work with companies you endorse.  If you don't endorse them why would you ever announce you would working with them?  It makes no sense whatsoever.  Makes both Mycelium and Waves look bad.
[2016-07-17 15:43] ID=1822 ???: Mycelium is solid.  One of the best names in bitcoin.
[2016-07-17 15:43] ID=1823 RE_ID=1821 Rassah: Well, we can't be 100% sure of any company. We have Coinapult, Glidera, and Cashila, as well as Trezor and Ledger, but we can't be 100% certain they're legit. We just give them as options to our customers, as have them make that decision
[2016-07-17 15:45] ID=1824 Rassah: Unfortunately there's no 100% way to be sure of everything. Our management decided that Waves was an OK company to work with. Our wallet team actually makes something that handles millions of customers' funds, so naturally we are A HELL OF A LOT more skeptical
[2016-07-17 15:46] ID=1825 thecryptofiend: OK thanks for the answer.
[2016-07-17 15:46] ID=1826 Rassah: Also, until now, there wasn't a lot of communication between Waves and our wallet team, which is unfortunate and sort of our fault too. Now that's being remedied
[2016-07-17 15:47] ID=1827 Rassah: Oh, and that a lot of us are "bitcoin maximalist" doesn't make it easier for other companies :6
[2016-07-17 15:47] ID=1828 thecryptofiend: Any ETA on WAVES integration with the wallet?
[2016-07-17 15:47] ID=1829 Rassah: There's a press release and road map coming
[2016-07-17 15:48] ID=1830 thecryptofiend: OK thanks.  Any date for those then?
[2016-07-17 15:48] ID=1831 Rassah: This week sometime
[2016-07-17 15:48] ID=1832 thecryptofiend: OK thanks for the answers - will keep an eye out for it:)
[2016-07-17 16:00] ID=1833 wksantiago: Thanks Rassah for keeping up with updated
[2016-07-17 16:09] ID=1834 llewdis: Your responses are very appreciated!
[2016-07-17 16:13] ID=1835 wksantiago: Updates😄
[2016-07-17 16:14] ID=1836 Rassah: I still owe you guys an update on what we decided during our big meeting this past week
[2016-07-17 16:14] ID=1837 wksantiago: 👍
[2016-07-17 19:10] ID=1838 RE_ID=1836 Superart: Doge coin integration I hope ?
[2016-07-17 19:12] ID=1839 RE_ID=1838 sabotagebeats: Me too
[2016-07-17 19:13] ID=1840 ryannguyen18: pm p\n\n\n.YI
[2016-07-17 19:14] ID=1841 RE_ID=1838 Rassah: 🐶
[2016-07-17 19:15] ID=1842 Anomaly: How about shapeshift integration?
[2016-07-17 19:15] ID=1843 Rassah: That and bitcoin may be the only two we officially support
[2016-07-17 19:15] ID=1844 Rassah: Regarding everything else, like Shapeshift, that won't depend on us
[2016-07-17 19:16] ID=1845 Anomaly: @Rassah You mean 3rd party 'plug ins' may be able to support things like shapeshift?
[2016-07-17 19:17] ID=1846 Rassah: I mean Shapeshift would have to make the decision to integrate and write their own plugin
[2016-07-17 19:17] ID=1847 Rassah: We won't be writing the 3rd party options into our wallet any more. That's what we're trying to get away from
[2016-07-17 19:18] ID=1848 Anomaly: Thanks for clarifying.
[2016-07-18 15:09] ID=1849 SJ C: Between Mycelium and waves and fiat partners, assuming all the the tech matures enough, we're looking at a one stop shop (mycelium at the center) for all your crypto/fiat finance needs
[2016-07-18 15:10] ID=1850 SJ C: still a bit of a mountain to climb but all the pieces seem to be in place nicely so far
[2016-07-18 15:10] ID=1851 SJ C: this is the kinda stuff that goes viral :)
[2016-07-18 15:11] ID=1852 wksantiago: Key here maturing
[2016-07-18 15:12] ID=1853 wksantiago: This is like 1993 all over again
[2016-07-18 15:12] ID=1854 SJ C: world wide web?
[2016-07-18 15:13] ID=1855 wksantiago: 👍
[2016-07-18 15:13] ID=1856 wksantiago: 
[2016-07-18 15:14] ID=1857 SJ C: hmmm disagree, more like 1998 :)
[2016-07-18 15:15] ID=1858 wksantiago: Old timer Netscape time
[2016-07-18 15:16] ID=1859 wksantiago: Token Ring, Ethernet, Novell, etc
[2016-07-18 19:33] ID=1860 theillson: Forgive me if this question has already been answered here. I bought into the Mycellium crowdsale and have my tokens in my colu account. How do I know if my share of Mycellium Wallet goes up in value? And, assuming it does, how does one trade in there Mycellium Wallet shares (tokens) for btc, waves etc....? And lastly, what is the timeline for the Wallet's release when we might actually see an increase in value of our shares? thanks!
[2016-07-18 19:48] ID=1861 RE_ID=1860 Rassah: Value trigger events are described in the Mycelium Sales Agreement. Generally it's sale of new shares, or company starting to earn a profit, or company being bought out. If the value goes up, you can prove your ownership of the token and request the SAR payout in bitcoin. We still hope to release the wallet by the end of the year.
[2016-07-18 19:50] ID=1862 theillson: thanks Rassah. How do we know if the company starts to make a profit?
[2016-07-18 19:50] ID=1863 Rassah: We'll publish financials
[2016-07-18 19:50] ID=1864 theillson: thanks!
[2016-07-19 17:07] ID=1865 Ohaimark1989: Umm how about listing on an exchange its been too long. Im not an ico flipper. I love mycelium wallet and believe in you guys. But I feel not giving the tokens a free market value is just insulting to everyone. Its a damn crypto token for heavens sake! It should be free for trading. Am I wrong? Was singing the crowdsale contract an agreement to not ever be able to transfer ownership of shares? If so, please enlighten me, i will honor it since i sighind it... Maybe i missed that part.. Although im almost sure i read rassah saying it will be tradeable shortly after sale. I just want to know how my investment is doing... And i should have the right to fing dump it if i feel my expectations are not met. As should everyone.
[2016-07-19 17:08] ID=1866 Liedes: ^
[2016-07-19 17:12] ID=1867 Ohaimark1989: 😘
[2016-07-19 21:09] ID=1868 Rahoos: I think there are two different ways of deciding the value of the token. One is what "the market" values it at (like what I would pay you @lahavlevi for yours), and the other is what Mycelium the corporation values it at.\nMycelium currently values them at $458.77, because that was the USD price of BTC when the crowdsale finalized, if I remember right. I might value them higher than that, but that's between me and whoever I'm buying the token from.\nSimilar story for exchanges: Mycelium will eventually work out how to officially list wallet tokens on an exchange somewhere, but for now, it should be possible to trade them between individuals just like any other colored coin. I assume there is a way to do that, but I don't know enough about colored coins yet. Does anybody here?
[2016-07-19 21:09] ID=1869 Rahoos: For example, if @lahavlevi and I agreed privately that he would sell me one MT for 100 BTC (I'm not offering that, just an example), and we met up at a coffee shop in Paris, and we both had a colored coin aware wallet, he could send me the one colored BTC representing his MT, and I could in turn send him 100 ordinary BTC, and we'd be done. Right?
[2016-07-19 21:11] ID=1870 Superart: You would have to trust him very much to make that type of transaction.
[2016-07-19 21:13] ID=1871 llewdis: I did such a transaction. And yes it requires trust.
[2016-07-19 21:14] ID=1872 Rahoos: @Superart, yeah.\nI guess the three things I still need to figure out for myself are: how do we connect in the first place (localbitcoin, localtrader, email, etc), are there color-aware wallets available, and how do I verify that the colored coin I'm receiving is what the seller says it is?
[2016-07-19 21:15] ID=1873 Rahoos: @llewdis, how, if you don't mind sharing details?
[2016-07-19 21:15] ID=1874 Rahoos: Or general details
[2016-07-19 21:28] ID=1875 marcellom: I think the easiest way to trade it's a decentralized exchange. Perhaps in a short time will have some.\nOr also better inside mycelium wallet.
[2016-07-19 22:05] ID=1876 Superart: Is there a DEX equivalent for colored coins?
[2016-07-19 22:11] ID=1877 bigs21024: hope something happens soon with the tokens been holding for sometime with nothing happening
[2016-07-20 06:40] ID=1878 RE_ID=1876 marcellom: Actually i don't think.  Maybe waves and nxt ardor in the future because they are blockchain agnostic
[2016-07-20 17:26] ID=1879 Cme: How might this affect the new Mycelium wallet?\nhttps://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/4tpf9i/coinbase_patents/
[2016-07-20 17:31] ID=1880 Rassah: I hope it doesn't in any way?
[2016-07-20 17:33] ID=1881 Cme: I hope it doesn't in a negative way.
[2016-07-20 17:34] ID=1882 Cme: Only in a positive way!
[2016-07-21 01:46] ID=1883 geatb: None
[2016-07-21 04:01] ID=1884 AROMACOMPUTERS: Did we change groups?
[2016-07-21 04:02] ID=1885 Rassah: no
[2016-07-21 04:03] ID=1886 AROMACOMPUTERS: O it says I just joined, weird
[2016-07-21 07:15] ID=1887 Rahoos: @Rassah, curious about Mycelium's reaction to the Blockstream patent pledge. Is it appropriate for anything Mycelium is developing, or even applicable? Is Mycelium's technology open source, patented, copyrighted, copylefted, etc?
[2016-07-21 19:19] ID=1888 Superart: @Rassah did mycelium code rhe dash support themselces, or is it a third party plugin?
[2016-07-21 19:19] ID=1889 Superart: *themselves
[2016-07-21 19:20] ID=1890 Rassah: Actually, we are switching to BitcoinJ, and Dash is helping us to code that switch, which then they'll use as a template for Dash
[2016-07-21 19:20] ID=1891 Rassah: So it's not that they are just making a plugin, they're actually helping us code the new wallet
[2016-07-21 19:22] ID=1892 Superart: Whats bitcoinJ?
[2016-07-21 19:41] ID=1893 Cme: https://github.com/bitcoinj/bitcoinj
[2016-07-21 22:45] ID=1894 bigs21024: when will this start to pay off or be able to do something with our shares
[2016-07-21 22:46] ID=1895 Rassah: Shares aren't BitcoinJ. Hopefully they will be able to be managed in your wallet sooner. I don't know when BitcoinJ will be done. We're still trying to plan that out
[2016-07-21 23:22] ID=1896 bigs21024: yes i understand that im talking when will we be able to do something with our mycelium shares it has been some time now
[2016-07-22 01:37] ID=1897 Cme: I just hope the new mycelium wallet is able to allow me to save and spend my rare Pokemon tokens soon
[2016-07-22 01:46] ID=1898 LordAjax: No, that's Blockemon tokens that will trade on the blockchain.
[2016-07-22 01:50] ID=1899 LordAjax: That's a joke by the way. Anyone's welcome to steal the idea though.
[2016-07-22 20:58] ID=1900 RE_ID=1896 AlexRuski: I wander the same!
[2016-07-22 21:00] ID=1901 Rassah: One exchange is concerned that these are securities that require them to get extra regulations
[2016-07-22 21:37] ID=1902 Cme: Nice article\nhttps://news.bitcoin.com/mycelium-integrate-dash/
[2016-07-22 21:41] ID=1903 Cme: Should Mycelium team weigh in here?\nhttps://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/4u4p9f/mycelium_v_breadwallet/
[2016-07-22 22:46] ID=1904 RE_ID=1903 Rassah: No. We'll let our users decide based on actual product
[2016-07-22 23:21] ID=1905 RE_ID=1901 AROMACOMPUTERS: Which one?
[2016-07-23 19:33] ID=1906 SJ C: @Rassah so you guys are switch from Reactnative to BitcoinJ?
[2016-07-23 19:38] ID=1907 Rassah: Yeah
[2016-07-23 19:41] ID=1908 Rassah: ReactNative is fine on Android, but turns out that iOS is terribly insecure with running multiple apps within the same app, like plugins. There's no secure threading, so any plugins would have access to the main wallet memory, including access do private keys.
[2016-07-23 19:43] ID=1909 SJ C: I see
[2016-07-23 19:43] ID=1910 Rassah: We tried all kinds of ideas, but unfortunately there's just no way to get around that, so we had no choice but to go back to developing separate native apps
[2016-07-23 19:43] ID=1911 Rassah: Made that decision last weekend
[2016-07-23 19:59] ID=1912 Cme: I guess I should fire up a Dash masternode now!
[2016-07-23 20:02] ID=1913 Cme: Crap...~$9500 ouch oh well
[2016-07-23 20:38] ID=1914 SJ C: @Rassah If i am reading that right, sounds like a big change. How does that effect the new wallet?
[2016-07-23 20:40] ID=1915 Rassah: Android comes out sooner, since we can reuse a lot of our old wallet code, iOS will take longer
[2016-07-23 21:06] ID=1916 RE_ID=1912 bigs21024: wow really lol
[2016-07-23 21:41] ID=1917 Anomaly: Well, we're Android at my house and work. So, we've no complaints!   😄
[2016-07-24 00:01] ID=1918 RE_ID=1895 Talon8Ya: It makes no sense that Mycelium does not support its own token from lanuch.
[2016-07-24 00:05] ID=1919 Rassah: It does when our wallet is a bitcoin wallet
[2016-07-25 11:22] ID=1920 RE_ID=1826 ???: Are you talking to Sasha Ivanov?
[2016-07-25 14:00] ID=1921 Rassah: Yes
[2016-07-26 21:01] ID=1922 ivglavas: hi guys... when trying to reach dashboard.colu.co i get this message: {"message":"Token expired","status":403}
[2016-07-26 21:01] ID=1923 ivglavas: anyone else has this problem? how to check my balance?
[2016-07-26 23:17] ID=1924 SJ C: using chrome?
[2016-07-26 23:19] ID=1925 SJ C: if, goto chrome://settings/cookies\nType dashboard.colu.co in the search box\ndelete those cookies only\nrefresh the dashboard.colu.com
[2016-07-27 16:12] ID=1926 Cme: Does the purchase of greenaddress by blockstream  effect the new MT wallet in any way?
[2016-07-27 16:15] ID=1927 Cme: Market share, change in direction, competition, piss you off, etc...
[2016-07-27 16:16] ID=1928 Cme: Blockstream is picking up momentum
[2016-07-27 16:17] ID=1929 Rassah: Just makes them possibly our new top competitor instead of Airbitz
[2016-07-27 16:18] ID=1930 Rassah: On the other hand, may make us feel a bit safer, since before they wanted to take our open source code and use it to make their own wallet
[2016-07-27 16:18] ID=1931 Cme: Ty
[2016-07-27 16:19] ID=1932 Cme: Just keep doing what you have been doing...make a great wallet!
[2016-07-27 16:21] ID=1933 Cme: Do you feel that in the future a wallet will cost something and not be free?
[2016-07-27 16:21] ID=1934 Rassah: No. Same as email
[2016-07-27 16:21] ID=1935 Rassah: Rather an email app or service
[2016-07-27 16:23] ID=1936 HostFat: I see a problem of frontrunning now
[2016-07-27 16:24] ID=1937 Rassah: ??
[2016-07-27 16:25] ID=1938 HostFat: I mean that every products that comes from Blockstream, that has the complete controll over Core and then Bitcoin, will be able to offer features before every other products/services on the market
[2016-07-27 16:27] ID=1939 Rassah: Not necessarily. They still don't support HD wallets, and when the new version that does comes out, it still won't support their own standard
[2016-07-27 16:27] ID=1940 HostFat: GA is a HD wallet
[2016-07-27 16:27] ID=1941 HostFat: the next version of Core support HD wallets
[2016-07-27 16:28] ID=1942 HostFat: I mean this as example\nhttps://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/4uv24u/blockstream_acquires_greenaddress_bitcoin_wallet/d5t3er9
[2016-07-27 16:29] ID=1943 HostFat: while the next version of Core is still in developing, GA (or other products/services) from Blockstream, they will already support the next features available on Core
[2016-07-27 16:29] ID=1944 HostFat: even before the next release
[2016-07-27 16:29] ID=1945 Rassah: Like I said, the next version of Core doesn't even support standard HD wallets
[2016-07-27 16:29] ID=1946 HostFat: with this I mean that there is a high probability of frontrunning
[2016-07-27 16:31] ID=1947 Rassah: I don't know if them acquiring GreenAddress is good or bad. It could be that they acquire it, and then it stagnates in their big slow moving organization like everything else has. I'm happy that we are still free to do our own thing
[2016-07-27 16:31] ID=1948 Cme: Nimble & Quick!👍
[2016-07-27 16:43] ID=1949 jaisau: None
[2016-07-27 16:55] ID=1950 Rassah: https://www.reddit.com/r/btc/comments/4uvkut/mycelium_adds_support_for_keepkey_ios_wallet_back/
[2016-07-27 16:55] ID=1951 HostFat: I see [removed]
[2016-07-27 16:56] ID=1952 Cme: Sweet
[2016-07-27 16:57] ID=1953 Rassah: I messaged the mods. Sorry...
[2016-07-27 16:58] ID=1954 Rassah: Looks like it's back up
[2016-07-27 17:03] ID=1955 jaisau: hello, I'm not up on the crowdsale\nCan I be briefly update?
[2016-07-27 17:03] ID=1956 jaisau: tank you and sorry
[2016-07-27 17:04] ID=1957 jaisau: I have my account and assets in colu
[2016-07-27 17:06] ID=1958 Rassah: No updates since the initial sale, sorry
[2016-07-27 17:09] ID=1959 jaisau: I understand that we are awaiting new wing for which we bought Mycellium Token
[2016-07-27 17:09] ID=1960 AROMACOMPUTERS: maybe you could issue a monthly newsletter?  \nwith categories like...\nemployees hired\nproject updates, like apple thwer a wrench in and Android will be released earlier than ios... \nthat kinda stuff.  \nwheres the money going and to what....
[2016-07-27 17:10] ID=1961 Rassah: Will post that tomorrow
[2016-07-27 17:10] ID=1962 AROMACOMPUTERS: 👍
[2016-07-27 18:23] ID=1963 Cme: Where does JAXX rank as MT competitor? Personally I enjoy the capacity to trade ether thru shapeshift. I go JAXX (eth address) -> shapeshift <- Mycelium (btc address)
[2016-07-27 18:31] ID=1964 Rassah: Not that high. We're hoping to get Shapeshift integration too
[2016-07-27 18:31] ID=1965 Cme: Ty
[2016-07-27 18:34] ID=1966 Cme: JAXX is not that bad. Takes a while to load. Includes all the basis, including mnemonic backup phrase.
[2016-07-27 18:36] ID=1967 Cme: Different user base reasoning for low competitor rank?
[2016-07-27 18:37] ID=1968 Rassah: Not as much confidence in the company
[2016-07-27 18:38] ID=1969 Cme: I don't believe the btc wallet is HD?
[2016-07-27 18:38] ID=1970 Rassah: They seem to be where we were years ago
[2016-07-27 18:38] ID=1971 Cme: Yea. That is huge in crypto
[2016-07-27 18:39] ID=1972 Cme: Ty again
[2016-07-27 18:41] ID=1973 Cme: JAXX will not see my btc in it, only Mycelium ❤️and Trezor ❤️
[2016-07-27 18:43] ID=1974 SJ C: @Rassah was thinking about the mycelium card, are there any talks of integrating an NFC chip in the card one day?
[2016-07-27 19:11] ID=1975 Rassah: Probably
[2016-07-27 19:12] ID=1976 Rassah: Current hardware is a bit outdated and there are talks of using new stuff
[2016-07-27 20:10] ID=1977 Cme: http://coloredcoins.org/explorer/testnet/asset/Ua4XPaYTew2DiFNmLT9YDAnvRGeYnsiY1UwV9j/020a7b4a16d3127c4f63ff9082eb16101899157a05e7088e1a94a9cf4611f87c/3
[2016-07-27 20:12] ID=1978 Cme: Nice to see Mycelium still using coloredcoins. 500 billion issued unlocked!
[2016-07-27 20:14] ID=1979 Cme: Or playing with..I should suspect
[2016-07-29 15:09] ID=1980 wksantiago: Rassah will Mycelium wallet support ether?
[2016-07-29 15:09] ID=1981 ???: None
[2016-07-29 18:04] ID=1982 ShortFatUglyDumb: I'm gonna guess Rassah's answer will be that the new wallet won't natively, but there'll be a 3P plugin built by some1 2 support ETH.
[2016-07-29 18:05] ID=1983 wksantiago: 😜
[2016-07-29 23:22] ID=1984 gentlemanpk: None
[2016-07-30 12:10] ID=1985 bigs21024: anything new yet!
[2016-07-31 03:59] ID=1986 AlexRuski: @Rassah ?
[2016-07-31 04:43] ID=1987 Rassah: Not much. Sorry
[2016-07-31 12:34] ID=1988 jhon_Doe: hi all
[2016-07-31 12:34] ID=1989 jhon_Doe: colu wallet is offline?
[2016-07-31 12:35] ID=1990 jhon_Doe: sorry.. is a my problem
[2016-07-31 12:35] ID=1991 jhon_Doe: token expired 😂
[2016-07-31 13:22] ID=1992 favdesu: colu is embarassing to say the least
[2016-07-31 13:23] ID=1993 favdesu: no idea why mycelium did not move to an actual competent platform
[2016-07-31 16:08] ID=1994 Rassah: Colu is developing and updating rapidly. Unfortunately that means servers go down. Hopefully they'll stabilize soon
[2016-07-31 16:08] ID=1995 Rassah: It's a good thing we didn't go to a competent platform like Ethereum though
[2016-07-31 16:10] ID=1996 ???: @Rassah I was able to access my Mycelium Tokens.  Colu said they are thinking about making a backup feature to assist users who loose/forget the password.  I hope that is the case.
[2016-07-31 16:11] ID=1997 ???: @Rassah Before I was messaging you because I could not find my password to access the tokens.
[2016-07-31 16:13] ID=1998 Rassah: Ok
[2016-07-31 16:14] ID=1999 RE_ID=1995 ShawnLeary: Counterparty still humming along well too :)
[2016-07-31 16:32] ID=2000 RE_ID=1995 praeluceo: +1
[2016-07-31 18:27] ID=2001 cvennekel: None
[2016-08-01 04:22] ID=2002 Daniel_Link: None
[2016-08-01 04:23] ID=2003 Daniel_Link: Hello guys , I am selling 0.5 MT
[2016-08-01 04:23] ID=2004 Daniel_Link: At ico price
[2016-08-01 04:23] ID=2005 AROMACOMPUTERS: The "Lost" Tv show's John Locke???
[2016-08-01 04:23] ID=2006 llewdis: My god he is in purgatory!
[2016-08-01 04:24] ID=2007 Daniel_Link: No, we must go back to the island
[2016-08-01 04:24] ID=2008 Daniel_Link: I am not dead
[2016-08-01 04:24] ID=2009 AROMACOMPUTERS: Hahaha
[2016-08-01 04:24] ID=2010 Daniel_Link: All was wrong
[2016-08-01 04:24] ID=2011 llewdis: 😊
[2016-08-01 04:26] ID=2012 Daniel_Link: Apart from jokes, I am seriously needing some Btcs for a health emergency, I know this is a great project so I only sell 0.5 token, send offers
[2016-08-01 23:21] ID=2013 AROMACOMPUTERS: http://bitcoinist.net/crypto-cannabis-conference-bitcoin/
[2016-08-02 04:02] ID=2014 Daniel_Link: Still for sale
[2016-08-02 06:22] ID=2015 teamnearandl: None
[2016-08-02 08:18] ID=2016 teamnearandl: Great job on the website, top notch.  If your website is any indication of the teams ability, we are all going to make a ton
[2016-08-02 08:19] ID=2017 RE_ID=2016 AlexRuski: you mean http://mycelium.com/ ?
[2016-08-02 08:27] ID=2018 teamnearandl: Yes
[2016-08-02 15:18] ID=2019 Rahoos: @Rassah, if I did not participate in the crowdsale, and if I now buy MT from a private party, how can I register my ownership with Mycelium? I've registered with the crowdsale website, signed the MTSA, and entered my colu address in the Mycelium wallet dashboard. Is that enough?
[2016-08-02 16:24] ID=2020 Daniel_Link: The ownership of a mycelium crowdsale token is 'to the carrier'
[2016-08-02 16:24] ID=2021 Daniel_Link: You only have to receive the token on your colu address
[2016-08-02 16:24] ID=2022 Daniel_Link: Ebtering the colu address in the website is only for receiving the token
[2016-08-02 16:24] ID=2023 Daniel_Link: But the ownership is like bitcoin
[2016-08-02 17:22] ID=2024 Rahoos: That's what I thought, but then how does Mycelium know what address to send bitcoin to when there's a triggering event as defined in the MTSA?
[2016-08-02 17:25] ID=2025 Rassah: What JL said
[2016-08-02 17:26] ID=2026 Rassah: You'll probably sign a message with your Colu let proving you're the owner
[2016-08-02 17:27] ID=2027 Rahoos: How will I know there's a triggering event?
[2016-08-02 17:27] ID=2028 Rassah: We'll announce it
[2016-08-02 17:36] ID=2029 Rahoos: The MTSA says in section 5 that SARs will be exercised automatically after a triggering event, and that it's the participant's responsibility to keep Mycelium updated with current email address and bitcoin account, and also that Participant must notify Mycelium immediately of any changes in token ownership. How does that happen for second owners?
[2016-08-02 17:43] ID=2030 Daniel_Link: I believe Mycelium grants rights to the address you signed
[2016-08-02 17:43] ID=2031 Daniel_Link: So any token or asset inside that address is yours
[2016-08-02 17:43] ID=2032 Daniel_Link: Only you can send or move that token
[2016-08-02 17:43] ID=2033 Daniel_Link: By controlling the address
[2016-08-02 17:44] ID=2034 Daniel_Link: By moving some asset from my address I automatically lost rights to it
[2016-08-02 17:44] ID=2035 Daniel_Link: Transactions are irreversible
[2016-08-02 17:45] ID=2036 Daniel_Link: (In the case i move the asset to an address I dont control)
[2016-08-02 17:49] ID=2037 Rahoos: @Rassah, when I log in to Mycelium token dashboard there's a red notice at the top of the page saying I haven't signed the MTSA yet, though I did last night and received a copy via email with a signature for Alexander Kuzmin at the bottom of each page. Is it valid but just not yet recognized by the website? Looks like my signature on that document tied to my colu address, which is registered on the Mycelium website, right? Is this something you can easily clear up?
[2016-08-02 18:14] ID=2038 SJ C: @Rassah how do we update our registered BTC address?
[2016-08-02 18:30] ID=2039 Daniel_Link: What is the límit when sending transactions on Colu?
[2016-08-02 18:30] ID=2040 Daniel_Link: It says "reached límite"
[2016-08-02 18:31] ID=2041 Daniel_Link: After the second
[2016-08-02 21:54] ID=2042 RE_ID=2037 Rassah: The "signed" flag is manually set. Our web dev just hasn't gotten to it yet
[2016-08-02 21:54] ID=2043 RE_ID=2038 Rassah: Registered for what?
[2016-08-02 21:55] ID=2044 Rassah: The token payout? I think we'll be asking for that every time
[2016-08-02 21:55] ID=2045 RE_ID=2039 Rassah: Sorry, question to Colu. I'm not sure.
[2016-08-02 22:35] ID=2046 Strayt: Any idea on when we can send mycelium tokens to our mycelium wallet? I can't wait to get my mt out of colu. The mycelium wallet could also sort out a bitcoin payout address.\n\nThanks.
[2016-08-02 22:56] ID=2047 Rassah: No eta yet, sorry
[2016-08-03 16:38] ID=2048 GB: None
[2016-08-03 17:16] ID=2049 Daniel Bijl: None
[2016-08-03 17:16] ID=2050 Daniel Bijl: Hi Guys!
[2016-08-03 17:16] ID=2051 cvennekel: 
[2016-08-03 17:17] ID=2052 Daniel Bijl: Anyone interested in buying some MyCelium tokens? 0.055 for 0.05BTC? :)
[2016-08-03 18:30] ID=2053 RE_ID=2044 Rahoos: Will you just send email to every email address registered on the crowdsale website whether the addressee bought in the original crowdsale or not?
[2016-08-03 18:47] ID=2054 Rassah: Probably not
[2016-08-03 18:47] ID=2055 Rassah: We don't know if those buyers still have the tokens
[2016-08-03 18:49] ID=2056 Rahoos: So now that I own some MT, how do I register with Mycelium as a token owner?
[2016-08-03 18:52] ID=2057 Rassah: You don't have to
[2016-08-03 18:54] ID=2058 Rassah: When SAR is available, you just ask for it and prove you own a token
[2016-08-03 18:54] ID=2059 Rahoos: Hmm. I suppose your devs could figure out a way to run the signing addresses from the MTSA's through a query to coloredcoins.org/explorer to determine which ones still own MT, and then send email only to the associated email addresses?
[2016-08-03 18:55] ID=2060 Rahoos: How will I know when an SAR is available?
[2016-08-03 18:56] ID=2061 Rassah: It'll be announced
[2016-08-03 18:57] ID=2062 Rassah: You'll probably be able to look up any outstanding SAR value on any token eventually too
[2016-08-03 18:58] ID=2063 Rahoos: Which means I have to remember to check wherever it'll be announced on a regular basis. Will outstanding SAR value on a token last indefinitely until I remember to ask for it, or does it expire after some time?
[2016-08-03 18:58] ID=2064 Rassah: Indefinitely
[2016-08-03 18:58] ID=2065 Rahoos: I suppose if it's always announced in the same place, I could set up an RSS feed to email me when any announcement shows up there.
[2016-08-03 19:00] ID=2066 Rassah: So if you don't claim it, it'll work like a stock. Every time the company value goes up by a %, your combined token and SAR value will go up by that % too, so you'll always own the same % of the company
[2016-08-03 19:11] ID=2067 Rahoos: I need to think about that a bit. Does that mean it's a little bit like dividend reinvestment? The SAR is like a dividend if I claim it right away, but if I don't, its value continues to match the performance of the wallet division, up or down? Thus, if I think Mycelium wallet is going to grow further, I'd want to leaved my SAR payouts unclaimed in the expectation that they'll appreciate, but if I think it's jumped the shark I'd want to claim any outstanding SAR payouts in anticipation of the wallet division tanking.
[2016-08-03 19:13] ID=2068 Rahoos: Or is it once a payout is made, is just a static amount of bitcoin sitting there waiting to be claimed regardless of the wallet division's performance?
[2016-08-03 19:13] ID=2069 SJ C: http://www.investopedia.com/terms/s/sar.asp
[2016-08-03 19:13] ID=2070 Rassah: Static amount
[2016-08-03 19:19] ID=2071 Rahoos: Very helpful article SJ, thanks. Got it @Rassah, thanks.
[2016-08-03 19:20] ID=2072 Rahoos: Do you know yet where/how SAR payouts will be announced?
[2016-08-03 21:14] ID=2073 Rassah: Probably our website, Twitter, Reddit, maybe some news articles...
[2016-08-03 21:14] ID=2074 Rassah: Remember, we have to have another crowdsale for the next revaluation to happen
[2016-08-03 21:23] ID=2075 Rahoos: It seems strange to make investors watch for a news release, especially when the MTSA implies that Mycelium will contact investors directly (who are in turn responsible for keeping Mycelium updated with their current contact info).
[2016-08-03 21:25] ID=2076 Rassah: Why? How do investors usually find out if their share prices will go up?
[2016-08-03 21:26] ID=2077 Rahoos: I'm checking this channel at least once a day during this launch stage, but I hope not to one the new wallet is released and stable and I've got my tokens transferred into it.
[2016-08-03 21:27] ID=2078 Rahoos: In a publicly held company we have a constantly updated price. Mycelium is privately held, right?
[2016-08-03 21:28] ID=2079 ???: Share price value can be seen on exchange markets... Company events are usually announced by direct to holder communication.
[2016-08-03 21:29] ID=2080 ???: We just dont have an exchange
[2016-08-03 21:30] ID=2081 Rahoos: I own stock in the company I work for, and if/when there's a new valuation, I'll get a PDF in my email explaining everything in detail. For the ESOP shares of the company I used to work for, I get a letter every year reminding me to keep them updated with my current address.
[2016-08-03 21:30] ID=2082 Rahoos: (Current company is privately held)
[2016-08-03 21:33] ID=2083 RE_ID=2078 Rassah: It's 95% publicly held
[2016-08-03 21:33] ID=2084 RE_ID=2081 Rassah: That's cause you have an account at a brokerage which has your information
[2016-08-03 21:34] ID=2085 Rassah: We'll probably push announcements through our wallet too
[2016-08-03 21:38] ID=2086 Rahoos: Push notifications in wallet would be perfect.\nI get communication from the company I work for regarding our stock valuation not because of a brokerage account, but because they of course have all my contact info and go to great efforts to keep in touch with me. I understand Mycelium won't have nearly so close a relationship with SAR owners, but you do at least have the email address and Colu address used to sign the MTSA, and it seems like it would not be hard to keep that updated automatically via colored coin blockexplorer and requiring SAR owners to keep an up to date MTSA on file with the company if they wish to receive payouts.
[2016-08-03 21:48] ID=2087 Rassah: If we did that, we wouldn't have sold these on an anonymous system
[2016-08-03 21:50] ID=2088 Rahoos: It could still be anonymous - the MTSA only required an email address and a Colu address.
[2016-08-03 21:56] ID=2089 Rahoos: Simple steps:\n1. Run all the Colu addresses through the colored coin blockexplorer to check if they have MT tokens.\n2. For those that do, send the notification of SAR payout to the associated email (from the MTSA).\n3. Automate that search/email. 4. Remind MTSA submitters (by email) that they must keep an up-to-date MTSA on file with Mycelium if they wish to be notified of future SAR payouts.\nAll still as anonymous as it was to begin with.
[2016-08-03 21:57] ID=2090 RE_ID=2089 AROMACOMPUTERS: sounds scriptable
[2016-08-03 22:01] ID=2091 Rahoos: It sounds scriptable to me too, but I'm not a dev. Might be incredibly complicated. But push notifications to wallet would work too, especially once MT can be held in the Mycelium wallet. Those notifications could be opt-in so as not to annoy the 80% user base that never heard of the crowdsale, and still not require querying the blockexplorer every time.
[2016-08-03 22:10] ID=2092 Rassah: Don't need step 1. We can just see which addresses MT tokens are in. 2. I guess we could, but if people start trading these on exchanges like altcoins I doubt most people will update anything after trading.\nReally just easier to have people ask. We'll figure it out
[2016-08-03 22:16] ID=2093 Rahoos: Hm. I wasn't thinking of them being traded that frequently, but  based on some of the comments here, I guess some people are expecting to flip them frequently. That would certainly make it more problematic for Mycelium to take responsibility for notifying SAR owners. I was thinking of it more like owning a piece of the wallet that I'd hold onto and receive small rewards from over many years.\nIt's easy to imagine irritation behind some of your answers because I know I would be getting irritated with someone pestering me so much, so I want to thank you for your patience here.
[2016-08-03 23:32] ID=2094 Rassah: Oh, no problem. I'm just answering when I can
[2016-08-04 10:33] ID=2095 wksantiago: Ressah will MT Token be migrated to the Wave Infrastructure from Colu?
[2016-08-04 14:20] ID=2096 Rassah: Don't know
[2016-08-04 14:30] ID=2097 wksantiago: Thanks
[2016-08-04 20:04] ID=2098 Wopin: None
[2016-08-04 22:43] ID=2099 bigs21024: do we know anything yet
[2016-08-05 01:05] ID=2100 Rassah: About what?
[2016-08-05 01:55] ID=2101 JohnnyDoe124: None
[2016-08-05 06:55] ID=2102 AlexRuski: I'm selling some of mine MT, if interested let me know directly!
[2016-08-05 08:18] ID=2103 ???: None
[2016-08-05 09:26] ID=2104 Escalicha: None
[2016-08-05 11:49] ID=2105 Criptofriend: Bienvenido @Escalicha , Forobits.com
[2016-08-05 12:30] ID=2106 Escalicha: 👍🚀
[2016-08-05 14:40] ID=2107 abstractbtc: None
[2016-08-06 14:03] ID=2108 RE_ID=2100 bigs21024: when we will be able to do anything with our tokens
[2016-08-07 01:10] ID=2109 AlexRuski: I'm selling some of mine MT, if interested let me know directly!
[2016-08-07 02:57] ID=2110 oscarpjunior: None
[2016-08-07 03:12] ID=2111 RamyFeteha: None
[2016-08-07 03:31] ID=2112 LaughingGOR: None
[2016-08-07 06:49] ID=2113 TheUltraAliens: None
[2016-08-07 07:07] ID=2114 GluxChris: None
[2016-08-07 09:20] ID=2115 robydelo: None
[2016-08-07 10:27] ID=2116 painlord2k: None
[2016-08-07 11:12] ID=2117 Daisje: None
[2016-08-07 11:41] ID=2118 AROMACOMPUTERS: https://www.cryptocannabisconference.com/schedule/
[2016-08-07 11:51] ID=2119 painlord2k: https://btcfork.consider.it/op-code-valid-block
[2016-08-07 12:01] ID=2120 byxkyx: None
[2016-08-08 02:00] ID=2121 V V: None
[2016-08-08 05:52] ID=2122 Rahoos: I'm interested in buying 0.445 MT for 0.348 BTC (based on your initial cost basis of $458.77 vs $588 BTC today) or a smaller amount at the same ratio.
[2016-08-08 07:58] ID=2123 Escalicha: In selling 1 MT for  7 BTC.
[2016-08-08 12:28] ID=2124 grassfedgoat: None
[2016-08-08 12:29] ID=2125 ???: None
[2016-08-08 13:30] ID=2126 ivglavas: i see manny people here trying to sell MT tokens. Do you people understand there is only 5K of MY in circulation and if the story goes on whole crypto community as possible buyers? Polo has more then 5K people 24h online only, what if everyone of them wants to buy at least 1 MT, what should be the price? Patience people, why are you all so nervous on selling? 😁
[2016-08-08 13:43] ID=2127 Rassah: Got an email this morning about an exchange adding MT. Need to test it with them. Will give more info later
[2016-08-08 13:54] ID=2128 Liedes: Finally a good news!
[2016-08-08 13:56] ID=2129 SJ C: @Rassah thanks for the update! hmmm that would mean the exchange needs a copy of the Colu blockchain?
[2016-08-08 14:27] ID=2130 Rassah: Mycelium Tokens have been added to Bitsquare decentralized exchange https://github.com/bitsquare/bitsquare/releases
[2016-08-08 14:28] ID=2131 Rassah: Also, we are hoping to add them to c-cex.com, so could you please help us by voting for them here https://c-cex.com/?id=vote&coin=mt
[2016-08-08 14:29] ID=2132 Liedes: ofc
[2016-08-08 15:52] ID=2133 RE_ID=1920 ???: I asked because I watched some interviews of Sasha Ivanov like this one\nhttps://m.youtube.com/watch?v=4eiv93mM_rE\nand I didn't find his demeanor reassuring.
[2016-08-08 16:30] ID=2134 Rassah: We are, yes
[2016-08-08 17:11] ID=2135 SJ C: might as well try for openledger exchange as well :)
[2016-08-08 20:37] ID=2136 Superart: Any chance of getting listen on polo?  That really is the one that counts, imo.
[2016-08-08 20:53] ID=2137 Rassah: Can you email them for us too? It would help
[2016-08-08 20:56] ID=2138 Superart: What do exchanges look for when deciding to list or not to list?
[2016-08-08 20:56] ID=2139 Pepy Ganea: Money
[2016-08-08 20:57] ID=2140 ???: Lets try to get it added to Bittrex
[2016-08-08 20:57] ID=2141 Rassah: Mostly interest from users
[2016-08-08 20:59] ID=2142 Valen_tin: None
[2016-08-08 21:02] ID=2143 deepsynergy: None
[2016-08-08 21:02] ID=2144 ???: Sent a note to bittrex_richie
[2016-08-08 21:03] ID=2145 RE_ID=2144 ???: Whatz the email for them real fast
[2016-08-08 21:04] ID=2146 ???: Did it inside of waves slack.  Not sure what an external address is.
[2016-08-08 21:06] ID=2147 ???: [email protected]
[2016-08-08 21:06] ID=2148 ???: i suppose that is a good place to start
[2016-08-08 21:07] ID=2149 Valen_tin: If you want to contact OpenLedger, just send an email at [email protected] 😊
[2016-08-08 21:15] ID=2150 deepsynergy: Yes would be awesome to have them listed there :)
[2016-08-08 21:30] ID=2151 AlexRuski: who is this richie guy?
[2016-08-08 21:30] ID=2152 AlexRuski: the one that flashed 150btc in lisk sell order?
[2016-08-08 21:50] ID=2154 AlexRuski: ok thanks
[2016-08-08 21:50] ID=2155 ???: looked him up... he's one of the founders with 3 other guys.
[2016-08-08 21:51] ID=2156 AlexRuski: is MT already being traded on bitsquare?
[2016-08-08 22:35] ID=2157 uporo: Openledger would be cool
[2016-08-09 00:15] ID=2158 kaonaprimer: None
[2016-08-09 00:18] ID=2159 RE_ID=2156 Rassah: I think so
[2016-08-09 00:31] ID=2160 AlexRuski: I looked in their website and couldn't find it
[2016-08-09 00:35] ID=2161 RE_ID=2160 Valen_tin: For which exchange?
[2016-08-09 00:36] ID=2162 AlexRuski: bitsquare
[2016-08-09 00:46] ID=2163 Gladpack: You can find it in the announcement of the new version.
[2016-08-09 00:47] ID=2164 AlexRuski: sure but I asked if it is already on the exchange!
[2016-08-09 00:55] ID=2165 Gladpack: I believe this means that it's already supported: "Release notes 0.4.9.3:\n\n    Increase trade limits (Altcoins: 2 BTC, Banks: 1 BTC, Others: 1.5 BTC)\n    Added new coins: Mycelium Token, BitUSD, Steem Dollars, STEEMUSD, BitCNY, BitEUR, BitCHF, BitGBP, BitNZD, BitAUD, BitSGD, BitHKD, BitSEK, Comet, BitSYNQ"
[2016-08-09 00:57] ID=2166 AlexRuski: I know it's supported! ¬¬ I'm making a totally diferent question!
[2016-08-09 00:57] ID=2167 Rassah: There should be some I think
[2016-08-09 00:57] ID=2168 Rassah: Someone mentioned putting some up
[2016-08-09 01:00] ID=2169 RE_ID=2168 AlexRuski: will check out again
[2016-08-09 01:08] ID=2170 RE_ID=2165 Valen_tin: What's the difference between Steem Dollars and STEEMUSD BTW?
[2016-08-09 01:08] ID=2171 AlexRuski: still can't see it!
[2016-08-09 01:08] ID=2172 AlexRuski: 
[2016-08-09 01:09] ID=2173 AROMACOMPUTERS: should be below Mo\nstarts with My
[2016-08-09 01:10] ID=2174 Rassah: You could put some of your own up, unless you just want ti buy
[2016-08-09 01:10] ID=2175 Gladpack: You might need to manually add a wallet to see the market
[2016-08-09 01:12] ID=2176 RE_ID=2173 AlexRuski: monero is the last one!
[2016-08-09 01:13] ID=2177 AROMACOMPUTERS: Oh its in order of the shortcodes anyways
[2016-08-09 01:13] ID=2178 AROMACOMPUTERS: should be above The Polish LOL
[2016-08-09 01:14] ID=2179 AROMACOMPUTERS: does it only show if there are active orders?
[2016-08-09 01:19] ID=2180 RE_ID=2179 Valen_tin: How do you put orders if it's not shown?
[2016-08-09 01:19] ID=2181 AROMACOMPUTERS: i guess thats the catch22 lol
[2016-08-09 01:21] ID=2182 Gladpack: No, but only some coins are listed by default. You have to manually add a Mycelium "wallet" in the Bitsquare application to be able to select the market from that list. I had the same issue with Maker coin
[2016-08-09 01:27] ID=2183 AlexRuski: no idea how to do it!
[2016-08-09 01:41] ID=2184 ShawnLeary: first colu and now bitsquare? facepalm.jpg
[2016-08-09 01:59] ID=2185 RE_ID=2184 AlexRuski: what's the problem?
[2016-08-09 03:21] ID=2186 Bmeet: None
[2016-08-09 05:40] ID=2187 bitcube: None
[2016-08-09 07:03] ID=2188 RE_ID=2171 DanielWeigl: You need to enable it first for your client: Settings -> Display altcoins
[2016-08-09 08:28] ID=2189 AlexRuski: John Locke and Daniel Bijl could please share you experience trading with David?
[2016-08-09 08:39] ID=2190 RE_ID=2052 Rahoos: Daniel, if you're still here, could you please verify your experience trading with me for Alexander?
[2016-08-09 08:41] ID=2191 RE_ID=2039 Rahoos: John, if you're still here, could you verify your experience trading with me for Alexander?\nThanks
[2016-08-09 10:04] ID=2192 uporo: So. Add new account? Is that address supposed to be my colu address? Wtf?
[2016-08-09 10:04] ID=2193 uporo: Bitsquare is giving me a hradache
[2016-08-09 10:08] ID=2194 uporo: Seriously. Can i make a mt account in bitsquare?
[2016-08-09 10:09] ID=2195 favdesu: bitsquare is an orderbook with bitcoin escrow
[2016-08-09 10:09] ID=2196 favdesu: you can't store anything else than btc on it
[2016-08-09 10:13] ID=2197 uporo: ok
[2016-08-09 10:18] ID=2198 uporo: I have a feeling that if i mess with this i will end up loing everything.
[2016-08-09 10:23] ID=2199 Gladpack: Click Settings > Add Altcoin to add Mycelium Token in Bitsquare
[2016-08-09 10:24] ID=2200 Gladpack: There's one offer for 1.75 MT/BTC up
[2016-08-09 10:26] ID=2201 uporo: Yes?
[2016-08-09 10:31] ID=2202 uporo: And the account it asks is my colu accout since i can't create a new one?
[2016-08-09 11:35] ID=2203 Daniel_Link: Alexander novarrro, it was a smooth trade
[2016-08-09 12:59] ID=2204 GeorgeTaylor: Quick question to everyone: Is the IOS mycelium wallet legit? (apple store by mycelium SA)
[2016-08-09 13:00] ID=2205 GeorgeTaylor: there are so many conflicting posts about it, though many are old...
[2016-08-09 13:15] ID=2206 uporo: I actually think that poloniex would accept MT
[2016-08-09 13:17] ID=2207 uporo: I don't know what are their stance on SARs, they are not adding anything that pays dividends, that i know. But did someone contacted them already?
[2016-08-09 13:21] ID=2208 uporo: But please do this - https://poloniex.com/coinRequest
[2016-08-09 13:48] ID=2209 Gladpack: Does anyone know how to log on to Colu? http://dashboard.colu.co/ doesn't seem to work 😐
[2016-08-09 13:51] ID=2210 RE_ID=2204 bits_of_change: This.
[2016-08-09 15:48] ID=2211 Rassah: It should be
[2016-08-09 15:48] ID=2212 Rassah: We put it back up a week or two ago. Well post a link on our website to let users verify.
[2016-08-09 16:06] ID=2213 JohnnyDoe124: daniel, try chrome or thor to make it work. I couldnt login using firefox tho.
[2016-08-09 16:28] ID=2214 RE_ID=2190 Daniel Bijl: Hi David! It was allen valid Exchange, no drama at al!
[2016-08-09 17:10] ID=2215 Rassah: Trade history? https://market.bitsquare.io/?market=mt_btc
[2016-08-09 17:20] ID=2216 SJ C: dam someone took a big discount from ico price
[2016-08-09 17:25] ID=2217 Rahoos: Why would anybody do that? And @Gladpack mentioned earlier there was an offer up for 1.75 MT/BTC ... if the MT owner is that desperate to get out, why not just spend the MT as BTC??
[2016-08-09 17:51] ID=2218 Rassah: You can't spend MT as BTC. it's a colored coin
[2016-08-09 17:52] ID=2219 Rassah: Meaning your 1MT can be riding on top of 0.01mBTC
[2016-08-09 17:54] ID=2220 Rahoos: Didn't somebody in this channel do it accidentally a month or two back? You could just send it to a wallet that's not color-aware... Ok, I see. And I think that's what happened to the person I'm thinking of, he needed some BTC and accidentally spent all the colored coin?
[2016-08-09 17:55] ID=2221 Rahoos: Need to go back to my reference book and reread the section on colored coins...
[2016-08-09 18:12] ID=2222 RE_ID=2220 Rassah: Yes. They got something like a few bucks out of it and destroyed their tokens
[2016-08-09 18:13] ID=2223 Rassah: Colored coin is basically a tiny amount of bitcoin marked as being something else
[2016-08-09 18:24] ID=2224 RE_ID=2213 Gladpack: Thanks, I was able to log on using Chrome for Android but the page layout doesn't allow opening the asset link however it did work better in Chrome for Windows 😉
[2016-08-09 18:39] ID=2225 RE_ID=2222 Superart: That's my biggest gripe about colored coins.
[2016-08-09 18:42] ID=2226 RE_ID=2225 Rassah: That's my biggest gripe about Colu in particular. They don't use a different address scheme for their tokens
[2016-08-09 18:43] ID=2227 Superart: How can they?  Colored coins need a standard BTC addy, don't they?
[2016-08-09 18:43] ID=2228 Rassah: The bitcoin blockchain doesn't care what your address is. Addresses are never even on the blockchain, just public keys. So ideally you would use a different hashing algo to derive a colored coin address from a bitcoin address. That way you can't send one to the other. But the blockchain can still verify the public key
[2016-08-09 18:44] ID=2229 Rassah: They mentioned they'll implement that eventually...
[2016-08-09 18:50] ID=2230 Superart: So it doesn't have to start with 1?
[2016-08-09 18:54] ID=2231 Rassah: No. It could also start with 1 but have a different structure, so it looks like a BTC address, but doesn't pass the checks (checksum built into bitcoin address that makes it almost impossible to typo one). The wallet just has to recognize it, know what to do with it, and how to build a bitcoin transaction using public and private keys from it
[2016-08-09 19:09] ID=2232 Superart: Ahh, ok. Kind of loke a piggy back.
[2016-08-09 19:10] ID=2233 lambda_core: None
[2016-08-09 19:10] ID=2234 Superart: Still, I like the CP solution better.  There is no chance regardless of what address you use to kill your coin.  Unless that is expressly what you want to do.
[2016-08-09 19:19] ID=2235 Rassah: CP is actually so similar to colored coin at this point...
[2016-08-09 19:20] ID=2236 Rassah: Or rather colored coin is similar to CP
[2016-08-09 19:42] ID=2237 Superart: They perform similar functions.  The big difference is that xcp tokens wond dissapear if you send them to the wrong address.
[2016-08-11 14:19] ID=2238 favdesu: so I'm sitll unable to get in colu.co
[2016-08-11 14:19] ID=2239 favdesu: what's the deal with that?
[2016-08-11 14:21] ID=2240 BitKralj: did you try to delete your cookies?
[2016-08-11 14:21] ID=2241 favdesu: oh thanks. works in incognito
[2016-08-11 14:23] ID=2242 Rassah: Yeah, they changed a lot, and as a result old cookies break things
[2016-08-11 14:24] ID=2243 favdesu: hope I can hold them in mycelium soon
[2016-08-11 14:26] ID=2244 favdesu: that site is super annyoing
[2016-08-11 14:26] ID=2245 favdesu: made me change my pw now it's not working anymore
[2016-08-11 14:28] ID=2246 favdesu: yup won't let me in again
[2016-08-11 14:30] ID=2247 favdesu: got my private key... is there an easy way to add it to an actual decent app?
[2016-08-11 14:30] ID=2248 favdesu: it's a colored coin right?
[2016-08-11 14:33] ID=2249 Rahoos: Did you delete cookies or only go incognito?
[2016-08-11 14:34] ID=2250 favdesu: deleted
[2016-08-11 14:34] ID=2251 favdesu: it worked until after i changed password
[2016-08-11 14:34] ID=2252 favdesu: now it won't decrypt my key
[2016-08-11 14:35] ID=2253 Rahoos: Somebody else had the same problem a while back on this channel. You might try searching old posts here for "cookies".
[2016-08-11 14:35] ID=2254 favdesu: i deleted the cookies
[2016-08-11 14:36] ID=2255 favdesu: its super annyoing to deal with a shit site like that
[2016-08-11 14:36] ID=2256 favdesu: especially when there's money involved
[2016-08-11 14:36] ID=2257 Rahoos: That was the first thing they tried, but there was more I can't remember.
[2016-08-11 14:38] ID=2258 RE_ID=1567 Rahoos: Here's what I was thinking of...
[2016-08-11 14:39] ID=2259 Rahoos: SJ  said, "Rassah just an fyi, Colu has identified my issue as a bug that they will fix next week, to refresh your memory, I deleted my cookies after receiving a "token expired" message when logging into the colu dashboard, which resulted in my mycelium tokens disappearing from my account"
[2016-08-11 14:40] ID=2260 Rahoos: So not much help there. Can you see the tokens in the blockchain explorer?
[2016-08-11 14:41] ID=2261 favdesu: managed to get in using another browser
[2016-08-11 14:42] ID=2262 favdesu: thx for your help
[2016-08-11 14:42] ID=2263 Rahoos: ??\nWhat browser?
[2016-08-11 14:43] ID=2264 favdesu: I use chrome and brave
[2016-08-11 14:50] ID=2265 SJ C: they implemented a new button in the settings menu, can't rememeber what it is called as I don't have the dashboard available at work....but it basically re scans the blockchain and it worked for me
[2016-08-11 14:52] ID=2266 Rahoos: New button in the Colu settings menu? So you have to reset your pw and your coins "disappear" until you click that button?
[2016-08-11 14:53] ID=2267 SJ C: In my case, I didn't have to reset my password, I simply needed to delete my colu cookie and then hit the new "rescan" button in the settings menu
[2016-08-11 14:54] ID=2268 RE_ID=2252 Rassah: The password to login to the site, and key passwords are different. Use your old password to decrypt
[2016-08-11 14:55] ID=2269 Rassah: I was forced to reset my login password too, but used my old to decrypt my keys
[2016-08-11 14:57] ID=2270 Rahoos: So there's no way around resetting your password first?
[2016-08-11 14:57] ID=2271 Rassah: I don't know. I just did it
[2016-08-11 15:05] ID=2272 Rahoos: Hm. The process that worked for me just now was login with Firefox, Colu sends a verification email, click the "Verify Me" link in the email, use my (unchanged) wallet pw to decrypt.
[2016-08-11 15:15] ID=2273 Rassah: That's what I did
[2016-08-12 08:49] ID=2274 Strayt: When you change your password on colu you only change the site password. Your password key stays the same. You now need two passwords. The new one to log into the site and your old one to decrypt the key. I think they changed it to make your key password safer.\n\nDo not throw out your old password \n\nIf the tokens dont show up keep reloading new reciece addresses through the hd wallet, then close anfd reopen the colu desktop. Your tokens should be loaded upon reopening.\n\nHope this helps.
[2016-08-12 15:08] ID=2275 SJ C: thanks for that stray, 2 passwords is quite annoying
[2016-08-12 16:34] ID=2276 Rassah: Finally out https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/4xeer1/mycelium_wallet_update_and_road_map/
[2016-08-12 16:45] ID=2277 SJ C: thanks for the update, will there not be a PC web based version as well?
[2016-08-12 16:46] ID=2278 ???: Awesome update  @Rassah
[2016-08-12 16:50] ID=2279 ivglavas: Great update @Rassah Why don't you use Medium or some other blog posting channel? That way your post could look much more attractive than this Reddit post? 😁
[2016-08-12 16:55] ID=2280 SJ C: STEEMIT
[2016-08-12 16:55] ID=2281 SJ C: LINKEDIN
[2016-08-12 16:55] ID=2282 ivglavas: agree with that proposal :)
[2016-08-12 17:03] ID=2283 RE_ID=2277 Rassah: With the current plan it's less likely unfortunately. Maybe there will be a good Android emulator to run it on eventually.
[2016-08-12 17:04] ID=2284 RE_ID=2279 Rassah: We should, but we're a bit short of web dev staff to do that now. They're busy with other things. Reddit has been where we traditionally post stuff, where everyone can easily comment and ask questions.
[2016-08-12 17:21] ID=2285 SJ C: @Rassah That's extremely unfortunate. Will there be a plugin to the waves wallet for people to access their mycelium crypto's?
[2016-08-12 17:36] ID=2286 Ohaimark1989: 
[2016-08-12 17:37] ID=2287 Ohaimark1989: Sorry mistake
[2016-08-12 17:49] ID=2288 RE_ID=2285 Rassah: Uh, Mycelium crypto will be accessible within Mycelium wallet directly. What is unfortunate?
[2016-08-12 17:52] ID=2289 SJ C: I understand crypto will be available from the mycelium wallet, but i won't be doing mint.com like functions on the wallet as the screen is too small on smartphone, I suspect many others will not want to ass well, hence extremely unfortunate, for me anyway
[2016-08-12 17:54] ID=2290 Rassah: You don't have to if you don't want to. You'll just be able to label your transactions (to/from whom, category, and notes) and get reports on things like spending categories. If you don't want to use those, just leave them blank
[2016-08-12 17:56] ID=2291 SJ C: I do want to use those, just on a bigger screen
[2016-08-12 17:58] ID=2292 Rassah: Ohohoh. Yeah, I personally would love to have a PC version with a bigger screen for that too
[2016-08-12 17:59] ID=2293 favdesu: https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/andromium/the-superbook-turn-your-smartphone-into-a-laptop-f?ref=activity :)
[2016-08-12 17:59] ID=2294 SJ C: I think we all know the limitations of a small screen where productivity is concerned, I find it hard to look at mint on the small screen much less do anything productive
[2016-08-12 18:04] ID=2295 SJ C: @favdesu I've seen that before, and it certainly is a nifty idea, but still I find my pc widescreen the best for productivity and eye strain
[2016-08-12 18:04] ID=2296 favdesu: get react os or whatever it's called. the android for pc OS
[2016-08-12 18:05] ID=2297 Valen_tin: React OS is a free Windows NT :D
[2016-08-12 18:05] ID=2298 favdesu: remix os
[2016-08-13 10:28] ID=2299 IamMcAndrews: None
[2016-08-15 04:22] ID=2300 rawavocado: None
[2016-08-15 05:17] ID=2301 Frenkbit: None
[2016-08-15 06:09] ID=2302 rawavocado: This group was added on www.coin.army\nhttp://coin.army/#/profile/mycelium-wallet
[2016-08-15 06:24] ID=2303 ???: None
[2016-08-15 06:24] ID=2304 ???: Hello
[2016-08-15 06:25] ID=2305 ???: Is an extra HD wallet added traceable to your main wallet?
[2016-08-15 06:33] ID=2306 Rassah: Traceable?
[2016-08-15 06:45] ID=2307 ???: Is it in any way connected to the main wallet thru transactions or would it be independent of it
[2016-08-15 06:46] ID=2308 ???: I have my main wallet and 3 others i use. Can someone sending funds or me sending funds from my other wallets be tracked back to my main?
[2016-08-15 07:18] ID=2309 Rassah: No. Not unless you send money between the accounts
[2016-08-15 07:27] ID=2311 Anomaly: You cannot send coin between/across accounts of you don't want them associated.
[2016-08-15 07:28] ID=2312 😸inaboat: Question: if i am to buy on BitSquare, is it the same as taking part in the ICO? My concern is this 'securities' issue.
[2016-08-15 07:28] ID=2313 Rassah: Uh... IANAL, but I think you're just buying a token. Same as if you bought Ether or Dash
[2016-08-15 07:28] ID=2314 😸inaboat: Ohok. Thanks
[2016-08-15 07:57] ID=2315 Saeid: None
[2016-08-15 08:10] ID=2316 btcdrak: None
[2016-08-15 08:24] ID=2317 ???: Hey Rassah. Any chance you would release a paid version of mycelium gear that would allow us to host it on our own server with the same interface as the online mycelium hosted one?
[2016-08-15 08:25] ID=2318 AROMACOMPUTERS: you can do it free
[2016-08-15 08:25] ID=2319 AROMACOMPUTERS: its on github
[2016-08-15 08:39] ID=2320 Frenkbit: I've just downloaded.\nI'd like to change the black  color of background? Thanks
[2016-08-15 08:52] ID=2321 ???: Robert- but is the user web interface included in the git?
[2016-08-15 08:53] ID=2322 Kungalu: None
[2016-08-15 08:57] ID=2323 jankojan: None
[2016-08-15 09:27] ID=2324 Rassah: It should be. Gear is all free
[2016-08-15 11:31] ID=2325 ???: None
[2016-08-15 11:54] ID=2326 ???: Hello, I have a very basic token exchange question. Is this the app I can use to 'receive' a mycelium coloured token if I were to trade for one on bitsquare ? https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.colu.app
[2016-08-15 12:29] ID=2327 apetersson: None
[2016-08-15 12:47] ID=2328 L.: None
[2016-08-15 14:51] ID=2329 RE_ID=2326 Rassah: Yes, I think so
[2016-08-15 14:58] ID=2330 RE_ID=2329 ???: Thanks. I'll take a closer look at colu
[2016-08-15 15:47] ID=2331 Rassah: Hey guys, this just finally happened https://live.blockcypher.com/btc-testnet/tx/fe68ebbbec06746a26d4038b500b3b9450b91f9e5c0935304b18fe13ec3eccbd/
[2016-08-15 15:48] ID=2332 btcdrak: @Rassah what happened?
[2016-08-15 15:49] ID=2333 Rassah: That transaction
[2016-08-15 15:49] ID=2334 btcdrak: What is special about it?
[2016-08-15 15:51] ID=2335 Superart: It's a testnet tx?
[2016-08-15 15:52] ID=2336 SJ C: some sort of btc forked chain?
[2016-08-15 15:52] ID=2337 Rassah: Yes, it's testnet for now
[2016-08-15 15:53] ID=2338 Rassah: Check out the inputs and outputs
[2016-08-15 15:57] ID=2339 DoubleYouSee23: None
[2016-08-15 16:05] ID=2340 Superart: I did
[2016-08-15 16:06] ID=2341 Superart: 5 in, 10 out.  So?
[2016-08-15 16:07] ID=2342 CosmosStag: It's a join transaction made with coinshuffle!
[2016-08-15 16:08] ID=2343 Rassah: I'm disappointed no one guessed
[2016-08-15 16:10] ID=2344 CosmosStag: Haha sorry.
[2016-08-15 16:10] ID=2345 Rassah: Oh yeah, I can delete messages :D\nBut I'll leave it
[2016-08-15 16:11] ID=2346 Rassah: Congrats Daniel for finally finishing it!
[2016-08-15 16:12] ID=2347 CosmosStag: Thank you, thank you. *bows* I couldn't have done it without Eugene and Constantin.
[2016-08-15 16:12] ID=2348 Superart: Is that a tumbling feature in the new mycelium?
[2016-08-15 16:13] ID=2349 Rassah: It's the tumbling feature, yes
[2016-08-15 16:23] ID=2350 DoubleYouSee23: That is awesome
[2016-08-15 16:42] ID=2351 ???: No more having to tumble coins  for anonymity?
[2016-08-15 16:54] ID=2352 Rassah: Still have to tumble, but the option is actually available without having to go through a third party mixer or market
[2016-08-15 16:54] ID=2353 Rassah: Hopefully eventually it will be built in and easy to use
[2016-08-15 17:13] ID=2354 ivglavas: could someone please elaborate for us non-technicals but also in bitcoin world - what just happened with transaction @Rassah posted an hour ago?
[2016-08-15 17:30] ID=2355 btcdrak: http://crypsys.mmci.uni-saarland.de/projects/CoinShuffle/
[2016-08-15 19:48] ID=2356 green12345: None
[2016-08-15 20:26] ID=2357 MONEYDONTSLEEP: None
[2016-08-15 22:14] ID=2358 albanoxbt: None
[2016-08-15 22:48] ID=2359 ShortFatUglyDumb: I'm very much looking 4wd 2 Mycelium integrating CoinShuffle in the new wallet. Ivan: the test transaction mentioned earlier seems to be an example of CoinShuffle - privacy/mixing strategy for Bitcoin, that Mycelium will eventually have.
[2016-08-15 23:29] ID=2360 Rassah: That was our code executing a successful shuffle
[2016-08-15 23:29] ID=2361 Rassah: It's entirely peer to peer among mixers. No central third party required
[2016-08-15 23:30] ID=2362 llewdis: Sweet
[2016-08-15 23:31] ID=2363 ShawnLeary: is there anything Mycelium can't do? ;)
[2016-08-15 23:32] ID=2364 RE_ID=2363 Valen_tin: Yeah the coffee
[2016-08-15 23:59] ID=2365 RE_ID=2364 AROMACOMPUTERS: 
[2016-08-16 00:02] ID=2366 RE_ID=2361 CosmosStag: You need a central point where everybody can meet to begin, but nobody knows who owns what by the end.
[2016-08-16 00:47] ID=2367 Emoji_Nakamoto: None
[2016-08-16 00:49] ID=2368 ShawnLeary: will i be able to refi my 30-year mortgage with Mycelium?
[2016-08-16 00:49] ID=2369 ShawnLeary: but do it anon?
[2016-08-16 00:49] ID=2370 ShawnLeary: and with the bitcoins?
[2016-08-16 00:52] ID=2371 ShawnLeary: 
[2016-08-16 00:53] ID=2372 CosmosStag: Obviously!
[2016-08-16 00:53] ID=2373 AROMACOMPUTERS: there an app for that
[2016-08-16 02:50] ID=2374 AROMACOMPUTERS: I just tried to import into mycelium Android wallet.\nI clicked, cold storage...\nMasterseed\ntyped in the words\nIts started spinning and said initializing..\nThen nothing\n\nI tried 3 times, nothing.
[2016-08-16 03:02] ID=2375 ShortFatUglyDumb: r u doing Cold Storage spend, or adding a new HD account?
[2016-08-16 03:04] ID=2376 AROMACOMPUTERS: ading a new acct fails because I already have 1 unused acct.\nSo i tried the Cold storage.  This "seemed" to be the proper method.\n\nbut as i said, specifically\n\nI clicked, cold storage...\nMasterseed\ntyped in the words
[2016-08-16 03:10] ID=2377 ShortFatUglyDumb: Hmmm. Sounds like ur doing nothing wrong. Maybe clear app cache (not app data tho) &/or try different  network connectivity?
[2016-08-16 03:14] ID=2378 AROMACOMPUTERS: clear app cache?
[2016-08-16 03:15] ID=2379 AROMACOMPUTERS: does the unused acct HAVE TO BE used before this will work.\njust like it refused to create a new acct?
[2016-08-16 03:30] ID=2380 RE_ID=2377 AROMACOMPUTERS: Ok I found both clear app data (didnt do that)\n& i found clear app cache (tried that) 24k erased.\n\nTried again..\nand the same thing, NOTHING.\n\n\n"\nSpend from master seed\nSelect account to spend from\nNo active accounts found\n"
[2016-08-16 04:30] ID=2381 AROMACOMPUTERS: Ok, I tried sending some Bitz to the unused acct.  Then tried to import masterseed again, from a different wifi.  Same thing, fail.\n\nThen I tried typing the xpriv key into tablet and copying to clipboard.\nThen chose clip board instead of masterseed.\nthis kinda worked.\nIt forced me to spend the coin, versus add the key to the wallet.
[2016-08-16 04:31] ID=2382 AROMACOMPUTERS: the coin did go where i sent it. Though there is no record of it happening on the App.
[2016-08-16 04:50] ID=2383 RE_ID=2368 Rassah: Eventually yes
[2016-08-16 04:51] ID=2384 Rassah: Instead of cold storage, add the account using Advanced option.
[2016-08-16 04:53] ID=2385 RE_ID=2384 AROMACOMPUTERS: this fails if the acct i have is unused.\ni have 6 of these xpriv's to import
[2016-08-16 04:53] ID=2386 AROMACOMPUTERS: it says i can only have 1 unused acct
[2016-08-16 04:54] ID=2387 AROMACOMPUTERS: 5 of the 6 xpriv's are unused
[2016-08-16 04:55] ID=2388 Rassah: Not add, import
[2016-08-16 04:55] ID=2389 RE_ID=2388 AROMACOMPUTERS: by click add acct 1st?
[2016-08-16 04:56] ID=2390 Rassah: No
[2016-08-16 04:56] ID=2391 Rassah: Click Advanced first
[2016-08-16 04:56] ID=2392 Rassah: You'll need to have the xpriv in the clipboard or have a QR code of it
[2016-08-16 04:57] ID=2393 Rassah: If you add, all it's doing is adding another account off your main keys
[2016-08-16 04:57] ID=2394 AROMACOMPUTERS: add acct\nthen... advanced\nthen.. from clipboard (where i have the xpriv key)\nthis imported 1 priv key as a single acct
[2016-08-16 04:58] ID=2395 Rassah: Yeah. What did you need?
[2016-08-16 04:58] ID=2396 AROMACOMPUTERS: to be able to manage having 6 xpriv keys on gear
[2016-08-16 04:58] ID=2397 AROMACOMPUTERS: i want oit all to come to this wallet
[2016-08-16 04:58] ID=2398 Rassah: You can import the rest of the xprivs the same way
[2016-08-16 04:58] ID=2399 AROMACOMPUTERS: without manually using the xpriv key, for every last individual transaction, as they come in, in order
[2016-08-16 04:59] ID=2400 Rassah: Gear uses just one xpub to generate all the addresses. I don't know why you are using 6 different ones
[2016-08-16 04:59] ID=2401 AROMACOMPUTERS: cause i have 6 widgets
[2016-08-16 04:59] ID=2402 AROMACOMPUTERS: it made me doit
[2016-08-16 05:00] ID=2403 AROMACOMPUTERS: 6 widgets with a diff set price each. and a diff label
[2016-08-16 05:01] ID=2404 AROMACOMPUTERS: im still trying to succesfuly impirt 1 xpriv key, as more than 1 address at a time
[2016-08-16 05:02] ID=2405 AROMACOMPUTERS: i assume the next time gear is used, i have to manually enter the xpriv key again
[2016-08-16 05:15] ID=2406 Rassah: When you import an xpriv, it scans about 20 addresses ahead. If none are used, it just gives you the first one with zero balance
[2016-08-16 05:15] ID=2407 Rassah: I think you should be able to use one widget for different products
[2016-08-16 05:19] ID=2408 RE_ID=2406 AROMACOMPUTERS: but when i click on it, after importing it.\nIt says "you are now working on this single address."
[2016-08-16 05:19] ID=2409 RE_ID=2407 AROMACOMPUTERS: Oh i didnt want to use 6, it forced me to. once used in 1 widget, couldnt use it another.
[2016-08-16 05:20] ID=2410 AROMACOMPUTERS: now thaty I have 6, kinda cool, can track it that way
[2016-08-16 05:33] ID=2411 RE_ID=2395 AROMACOMPUTERS: I know what I need.\nUnder advanced, i need to be able to import another seed.\nRegardless if any of the seeds are unused with 0 balance.
[2016-08-16 05:34] ID=2412 AROMACOMPUTERS: i dont want to have 6 tablets
[2016-08-16 05:44] ID=2413 AROMACOMPUTERS: that is currently the only solution i can think of.\nBuy 6 tablets\ninstall the app on all 6.\nbackup the words for the seed.\nbackup the xpriv key for each.\nreplace the current xpriv address only keys on each of the widgets, with 1 from each tablet.
[2016-08-16 05:51] ID=2414 AROMACOMPUTERS: I would "like" a desktop version for Debian
[2016-08-16 05:52] ID=2415 RE_ID=2414 Emoji_Nakamoto: as long as it's QT and works without canonical spins im onboard
[2016-08-16 05:53] ID=2416 RE_ID=2415 AROMACOMPUTERS: http://i.imgur.com/phxw0Ei.png
[2016-08-16 05:54] ID=2417 RE_ID=2412 Emoji_Nakamoto: you can emulate 6 instances on android sdk in the meanitme
[2016-08-16 05:54] ID=2418 AROMACOMPUTERS: i could run 1,000 on debian
[2016-08-16 05:54] ID=2419 Emoji_Nakamoto: I'm offering a workaround is all
[2016-08-16 05:54] ID=2420 AROMACOMPUTERS: tablets & 'smart' phones  are < half brained computers
[2016-08-16 05:55] ID=2421 Emoji_Nakamoto: agreed
[2016-08-16 05:55] ID=2422 Emoji_Nakamoto: you can do some interesting stuff with the intel ones but it still doesn't really warrant purchase imho
[2016-08-16 05:56] ID=2423 AROMACOMPUTERS: i was exagerrating the issue, with a possible solution.  That im not going to do.\nill just go back tio using core
[2016-08-16 05:56] ID=2424 AROMACOMPUTERS: core QT may be "lame".\nbut she never lets me down
[2016-08-16 05:56] ID=2425 AROMACOMPUTERS: and it works on my desktop
[2016-08-16 05:57] ID=2426 AROMACOMPUTERS: #justsayin
[2016-08-16 05:57] ID=2427 Emoji_Nakamoto: electrum aint terrible
[2016-08-16 05:57] ID=2428 AROMACOMPUTERS: will it do what i need
[2016-08-16 05:58] ID=2429 Emoji_Nakamoto: core aint terrible either
[2016-08-16 05:58] ID=2430 AROMACOMPUTERS: it cant be rocket science to have mutliple seeeds
[2016-08-16 06:24] ID=2431 Rassah: You can import 6 different seeds already.
[2016-08-16 06:25] ID=2432 Rassah: I have about 8 different seeds on mine. Are you sure you're not importing single addresses?
[2016-08-16 06:26] ID=2433 green12345: Hi new here. Is marketplace only available on android?
[2016-08-16 06:27] ID=2434 Rassah: Yes
[2016-08-16 06:27] ID=2435 RE_ID=2432 AROMACOMPUTERS: im using the \nm/44'/0'/0'/0\n\nBIP32 Extended Key
[2016-08-16 06:27] ID=2436 green12345: Any plans for iOS release?
[2016-08-16 06:28] ID=2437 AROMACOMPUTERS: how am i supposed to import a seed?  what are the steps?
[2016-08-16 06:29] ID=2438 AROMACOMPUTERS: I have the...\n\nBIP39 Mnemonic\nBIP39 Seed\nBIP32 Root Key\nBIP32 Extended Key\nBIP32 Extended Key (addresses only)\nand the 1st 100 priv keys
[2016-08-16 06:41] ID=2439 Rassah: Just the xpriv should work. That's the seed.
[2016-08-16 08:25] ID=2440 jhon_Doe: https://btcmanager.com/news/decentralized-exchange-bitsquare-adds-mycelium-tokens-fiat-pairs/
[2016-08-16 10:17] ID=2441 raknaz: None
[2016-08-16 14:09] ID=2442 bitjedi: None
[2016-08-16 14:22] ID=2443 btcdrak: @Rassah There is a drive to make  a new BIP proposal for detatched signing with hardware wallets. It would be great if all the major wallets could get involved please https://lists.linuxfoundation.org/pipermail/bitcoin-dev/2016-August/013008.html
[2016-08-16 16:37] ID=2444 johntrain: None
[2016-08-17 03:25] ID=2445 CryptoHunter: None
[2016-08-17 03:28] ID=2446 AROMACOMPUTERS: Bitcoin Millionaire  LOL nice name
[2016-08-17 03:29] ID=2447 AROMACOMPUTERS: Do you have 1 of these?\nhttps://s3.amazonaws.com/main-newsbtc-images/2014/09/Bitcoin-Jet2-825x510.jpg
[2016-08-17 03:54] ID=2448 RE_ID=2446 Emoji_Nakamoto: Ross? is that you?
[2016-08-17 03:59] ID=2449 RE_ID=2448 Talon8Ya: 
[2016-08-17 14:03] ID=2450 LaughingGOR: Here is a list of @CryptoGroups on Telegram click to join:\n@TrollBox (non-crypto NSFW)\n@Sportsbet (Degenerate Gamblers)\n@DashDigitalCash (DASH)
[2016-08-17 14:14] ID=2451 RE_ID=2450 rawavocado: And here is an even bigger one www.coin.army
[2016-08-17 14:18] ID=2452 RE_ID=2451 LaughingGOR: cool
[2016-08-17 15:50] ID=2453 Superart: I'm already overwhelmed by all the crypto chats I'm in.  I can't participate in any more.
[2016-08-17 18:53] ID=2454 AROMACOMPUTERS: Can You Integrate THIS????
[2016-08-17 18:53] ID=2455 AROMACOMPUTERS: Launching today\n\nhttps://m.reddit.com/r/btc/comments/4y78mv/buy_discounted_gasoline_with_bitcoin/?utm_source=mweb_redirect&compact=true
[2016-08-17 20:22] ID=2456 uporo: And integrating all the other scams while you're on it?
[2016-08-17 20:27] ID=2457 AROMACOMPUTERS: how does anyone know if their a scam?  \neither they wont give us the cards when bought, and theyll crash and burn as a scam.\nOr maybe thei going after the niche market that Gyft is ignoring
[2016-08-17 20:53] ID=2458 bits_of_change: CardCash doesn't ignore it, Robert, and often gives the same discount (3%). Plus, you can buy a heck of a lot more on CardCash with a 45 day guarantee (so far being honored). I use it a lot, actually, but not for gas.
[2016-08-17 20:56] ID=2459 AROMACOMPUTERS: NICE
[2016-08-17 20:56] ID=2460 AROMACOMPUTERS: oh not gas
[2016-08-17 20:56] ID=2461 AROMACOMPUTERS: 👎
[2016-08-17 20:57] ID=2462 bits_of_change: They have gas cards too....
[2016-08-17 20:57] ID=2463 AROMACOMPUTERS: cardcash.com ?
[2016-08-17 20:57] ID=2464 bits_of_change: Yep!
[2016-08-17 20:57] ID=2465 AROMACOMPUTERS: COOOL
[2016-08-17 20:59] ID=2466 bits_of_change: Specifically: https://www.cardcash.com/buy-gift-cards/discounted-gas-cards/\n\nHowever, they often have sales that increase the discount on certain types of cards, including gas cards, and you get an extra 2% off paying with Bitcoin.
[2016-08-17 21:01] ID=2467 bits_of_change: They are preowned GCs, however, not the newly issued ones you find on Gyft or eGifter.
[2016-08-17 21:03] ID=2468 AROMACOMPUTERS: isn't intergrating these things into the wallet, the plan?\nMaking spending Bitcoin easier?
[2016-08-17 22:00] ID=2469 RE_ID=2450 ShortFatUglyDumb: There's a few of us chatting here: @BitcoinChat
[2016-08-18 07:12] ID=2470 The_Tokenator: None
[2016-08-18 09:19] ID=2471 AlenaSatoshi: Hello we have released a TREZOR Manager App - to set up TREZOR on Android (using OTG cable) and we recommend in our blog to use Mycelium for transactions..
[2016-08-18 09:19] ID=2472 AlenaSatoshi: https://t.co/BUOVB3XFpZ\n\nWe just released an Android App for setup and management of TREZOR\nFeel free to try out and rate or comment
[2016-08-18 11:18] ID=2473 DanielWeigl: 👍 great. We can also link to this app from within the wallet, if we detect a not initialized trezor
[2016-08-19 12:55] ID=2474 ???: None
[2016-08-19 17:21] ID=2475 ???: You guys need a better support for gear.....
[2016-08-19 17:22] ID=2476 Rassah: It's a free service, so unfortunately...
[2016-08-19 17:24] ID=2477 ???: Comeon Rassah... I mean Alexander is slow.... You explain the exact problem. He keeps asking for screenshots and it literally the exact error and shouldnt be a hard question
[2016-08-19 17:24] ID=2478 ???: Invalid URL error means it says invalid url.....
[2016-08-19 17:25] ID=2479 ???: I just want to know the right format of the URL lol.
[2016-08-19 17:25] ID=2480 Rassah: I don't have any info at all on Gear unfortunately
[2016-08-19 18:09] ID=2481 ???: Damn.... i was trying to code this gateway into my site but he hasnt replied even after 2 screen shots...
[2016-08-19 18:11] ID=2482 ???: 
[2016-08-19 18:11] ID=2483 ???: Lol jk Rassah. I know its not on you. Appreciate everything you do tho :)
[2016-08-20 00:25] ID=2484 Emoji_Nakamoto: http://bitcoinist.net/mycelium-may-roll-out-p2p-tumbling-soon/
[2016-08-20 00:26] ID=2485 yyuvane: None
[2016-08-20 00:26] ID=2486 RE_ID=2482 AROMACOMPUTERS: LOL
[2016-08-20 18:52] ID=2487 deepsynergy: None
[2016-08-22 06:50] ID=2489 Wopin: p2p tumbling
[2016-08-22 06:50] ID=2490 Wopin: sorry miss tell
[2016-08-22 14:56] ID=2491 GuerraMoneta: None
[2016-08-22 14:58] ID=2492 GuerraMoneta: Mycelium have any plans to integrate alts? Or staying btc?
[2016-08-22 15:02] ID=2493 ???: None
[2016-08-22 15:18] ID=2494 Rassah: We will have alts, yes
[2016-08-22 15:31] ID=2495 GuerraMoneta: Is litecoin or dash on the map? Thanks for your answer, much appreciated
[2016-08-22 15:50] ID=2496 Rassah: Dash is first. LTC no idea
[2016-08-22 16:15] ID=2497 BitcoinKhaleesi: Awesome re DASH. I really want to try it out.
[2016-08-22 16:23] ID=2498 😸inaboat: Is there a way where other altcoins can request to be added?
[2016-08-22 16:24] ID=2499 Rassah: No requests. Once the API is out, you or altcoin devs will have to add them themselves. We won't be adding anything personally ourselves
[2016-08-22 16:24] ID=2500 Rassah: Dash is working with us
[2016-08-22 16:24] ID=2501 😸inaboat: I see. Thanks!
[2016-08-22 16:29] ID=2502 Cme: How's it looking for coloredcoins integration?
[2016-08-22 16:30] ID=2503 Rassah: Slow, but progress
[2016-08-22 16:30] ID=2504 Cme: Ty
[2016-08-22 17:03] ID=2505 GuerraMoneta: Very nice to hear about dash, they are moving at an amazing pace since rebranding
[2016-08-22 17:04] ID=2506 GuerraMoneta: And with good reason since zcash
[2016-08-22 19:06] ID=2507 alondre: None
[2016-08-22 19:13] ID=2508 btcdrak: zcash will wipe the floor with dash if it works as advertised. real anonymous coin. dash mixes arent vert good. monero has a much better anonymity set. zcash will be perfection if it works.
[2016-08-22 19:14] ID=2509 Rassah: Hoping Bitcoin will be better still
[2016-08-22 19:16] ID=2510 btcdrak: me too. maybe it is something that can be integrated after it proves itself
[2016-08-22 19:17] ID=2511 AROMACOMPUTERS: Bitcoin buys droogz!\ncan these "anonymous" altcoins?
[2016-08-22 19:23] ID=2512 ???: Perhaps once people start to get in trouble buying drugs with bitcoin. Blockchain analytic startups are going to have to produce some results after all that funding.
[2016-08-22 20:36] ID=2513 Rassah: They have so far. A few ransomware people were arrested
[2016-08-22 21:00] ID=2514 RE_ID=2513 Superart: Where were yhe ransomware people cought?
[2016-08-22 22:26] ID=2516 ???: None
[2016-08-23 02:53] ID=2517 ???: That's a good thing. Ransomware is a huge industry. I do fear that they'll come after the small people though.
[2016-08-23 03:17] ID=2518 Emoji_Nakamoto: difference: bitcoin can go legit if these start to take up more DNM business
[2016-08-23 03:58] ID=2519 ???: It would remove some of the negative stigma bitcoin has. It would definitely be very good for "anonymous" Alt coins.
[2016-08-23 05:30] ID=2520 ShortFatUglyDumb: Regarding Dash: I've heard some reputable people considering it a scam coin, as well as other reputable people/entities (like Mycelium) applauding it. Has any1 come across any thoughtful online post/blog/article that calmly and succinctly explains why it might b scammy?
[2016-08-23 05:31] ID=2521 Talon8Ya: Dash had a premine but they have successfully moved beyond and are doing well with development.
[2016-08-23 05:32] ID=2522 Emoji_Nakamoto: the premine is the biggest reason, and shady preferential ordering for the first round of x11 asics
[2016-08-23 05:33] ID=2523 Talon8Ya: Telegram.me/dashdigitalcash
[2016-08-23 05:34] ID=2524 RE_ID=2522 Talon8Ya: Was not shady, first come first serve.  \nBaikal and Pineda had fair launches. \nIBeLink was a bit shady but that is not the coins fault. They didn't make the ASICS
[2016-08-23 05:35] ID=2525 Talon8Ya: I got hit with a ton of shit when I told people they were real and started my reviews.
[2016-08-23 05:35] ID=2526 Emoji_Nakamoto: from the bottom up it's easy to see why people see it negatively
[2016-08-23 05:35] ID=2527 Talon8Ya: But they are real   lol
[2016-08-23 05:36] ID=2528 RE_ID=2526 Talon8Ya: Same as many coins with premines or scammy initial mining like Monero.
[2016-08-23 05:36] ID=2529 Emoji_Nakamoto: I never said monero was less scammy
[2016-08-23 05:37] ID=2530 Talon8Ya: I know I was just using an example of a coin people know about.
[2016-08-23 05:37] ID=2531 Talon8Ya: I like both coins. I mine both.  LOL
[2016-08-23 05:38] ID=2532 Talon8Ya: They have both moved beyond the scammy stage.
[2016-08-23 05:39] ID=2533 ShortFatUglyDumb: Thx guys 4 ur comments! I'll continue reading more deeply abt Dash...
[2016-08-23 05:39] ID=2534 Emoji_Nakamoto: I think that for long term viability a coin has to be a) a dumb, extensible network with bare minimum features b) no premine and c) have asic resistant consensus algos and PoX
[2016-08-23 05:43] ID=2535 RE_ID=2534 Talon8Ya: You're not going to find non-premine or special mined for dev's and VC people anytime. \nVC money, dev's seeing easy money and the ICO craze has made that kind of coin scarce. \nWhat you can do is see which survive, have solid features, solid network, dev's actively working, vibrant community. Those things are the best way to look at coins now. Have to be pragmatic.
[2016-08-23 05:43] ID=2536 Emoji_Nakamoto: the ones that have historically aged well check all those boxes
[2016-08-23 05:44] ID=2537 RE_ID=2534 Talon8Ya: Also ASICS are good as you have more power securing the blockchain
[2016-08-23 05:45] ID=2538 Emoji_Nakamoto: this is true, but starting on an algo already opened to asics is not conducive to healthy growth. I never said you never want asics on the network, just that starting with them is bad
[2016-08-23 05:45] ID=2539 Talon8Ya: I took control of Quark a few weeks ago with most of the global hash rate.  I could have did what ever I wanted. Even reversing their premine. If the hash rate had been bigger it is more difficult to do.
[2016-08-23 05:47] ID=2540 Emoji_Nakamoto: quark is arguably a failed experiment, pretty much only useful to traders
[2016-08-23 05:49] ID=2541 Emoji_Nakamoto: also, quark mining isn't asic resistant as much as it is cost prohibitive to the size of the network at present
[2016-08-23 05:50] ID=2542 Emoji_Nakamoto: we'd see fpgas hashing the shit out of it the moment it hits a certain market cap threshold
[2016-08-23 05:54] ID=2543 bitjedi: have u looked into adding monero support?
[2016-08-23 05:54] ID=2544 ???: What is your opinion on Zcash tyson?
[2016-08-23 05:55] ID=2545 Emoji_Nakamoto: point is, there's typically only one prominent asic-driven coin per Algo. you have LTC for scrypt, BTC for sha256, dash for x11 etc. the rest are just trading tokens and proxy mining for BTC
[2016-08-23 05:58] ID=2546 RE_ID=2544 Emoji_Nakamoto: depends largely on whether they have a premine. The amoung of their spec based on unproven crypto and glorified BIPs is also discouraging
[2016-08-23 06:00] ID=2547 Emoji_Nakamoto: That said I'd love to be proven wrong, the way they want to do things makes a good deal of sense
[2016-08-23 06:02] ID=2548 RE_ID=2542 Talon8Ya: I can bring 2 gigahash to it in less than 24 hrs.  The point is it didn't cost anything to do.  But yes a failed experiment.  I should take it over and reverse the premine just to see how it goes from there.  LOL
[2016-08-23 06:03] ID=2549 Emoji_Nakamoto: make for an intersting story at least
[2016-08-23 06:04] ID=2550 RE_ID=2546 Talon8Ya: Most likely as big vc money is already involved. It will be called and ICO or first adopters type explanation
[2016-08-23 06:04] ID=2551 Emoji_Nakamoto: most likely, but I like that they have a public alpha
[2016-08-23 06:04] ID=2552 RE_ID=2549 Talon8Ya: I thought about it but I have no desire to do that to a coin other than purely analytical.
[2016-08-23 06:04] ID=2553 ???: They have their four year founders reward. Still not sure if that's equally as shady as a pre-mine.
[2016-08-23 06:05] ID=2554 RE_ID=2551 Talon8Ya: Yup I've been keeping up with it for months
[2016-08-23 06:05] ID=2555 Emoji_Nakamoto: I don't think it'll b on the scale of maidsafe etc, but it'll be there
[2016-08-23 06:10] ID=2556 Emoji_Nakamoto: the biggest problem I see with their spec is that there's too much reliance on cutting edge crypto mechanisms at a protocol level. none are extensively audited, and one exploit could lead to masses of old blocks being exposed
[2016-08-23 06:13] ID=2557 Emoji_Nakamoto: or rampant tx spoofing through intermediaries in their tx model
[2016-08-23 06:14] ID=2558 Emoji_Nakamoto: the leas you bake in, the more you leave to humans to fuck up which is good, because if the protocol fucks up, it has farther reaching consequences, and the pitchforks come out
[2016-08-23 06:15] ID=2559 Talon8Ya: Exactly
[2016-08-23 06:17] ID=2560 ???: That's the one thing which irks me about Zcash, the one time secure setup. You wouldn't even know if TX spoofing was happening if they altered the setup parameters.
[2016-08-23 06:18] ID=2561 RE_ID=2546 bitjedi: there's a premine already. roger bought 1% or so as did other investors. plus proceeds from pow will be split like dash afaik
[2016-08-23 06:18] ID=2562 RE_ID=2560 bitjedi: also no multisig
[2016-08-23 06:18] ID=2563 ???: Due to limitations?
[2016-08-23 06:18] ID=2564 bitjedi: yes
[2016-08-23 06:19] ID=2565 ???: Hmm, that definitely is slightly off putting
[2016-08-23 06:20] ID=2566 Emoji_Nakamoto: like I said, I'm not optimistic about it because a degree of transparency is needed for decentralized trust, and they're not relying on proven mechanisms. I'd love to be proven wrong tho
[2016-08-23 06:24] ID=2567 ???: I agree. And tbh, they will really need multi-sig to become more than just a traded coin.
[2016-08-23 06:25] ID=2568 Emoji_Nakamoto: I don't think we'll see another major coin come out until the alt-crypto bubble collapses
[2016-08-23 06:26] ID=2569 Emoji_Nakamoto: then someone will start an ideologically charged "responsible" coin, and the cycle will start again
[2016-08-23 06:27] ID=2570 Emoji_Nakamoto: what we really need is a coin with a bsd dev model
[2016-08-23 06:28] ID=2571 Emoji_Nakamoto: doesn't need to be anything slecial, just have the open commit heirarchy that BSDs use
[2016-08-23 06:30] ID=2572 Emoji_Nakamoto: we've seen that big, heavily VC backed projects in and out of the crypto space suffer from using top-down dev models time and time again
[2016-08-23 06:31] ID=2573 Emoji_Nakamoto: The BSD/Apache  dev model is the only one that ensures regular, stable, secure release without contributor interests completely taking over
[2016-08-23 06:33] ID=2574 Emoji_Nakamoto: for example: one person has commit access to the linux kernel, about 3,000 or so do to FreeBSD. guess which one has a shitsow base system and chaotic, cosntantly standards breaking dev cycles
[2016-08-23 06:39] ID=2575 Emoji_Nakamoto: hint: their mascot is a penguin and named after the project founder
[2016-08-23 06:39] ID=2576 btcdrak: The thing about DASH is its "technology" is basically snakeoil, nor is it secure. That doesnt stop alts in general being popular, but it does mean it is just a matter of time. especially if the price rises to a level that makes attack worth while.
[2016-08-23 06:40] ID=2577 btcdrak: DASH already has a long history of consensus failures.
[2016-08-23 06:42] ID=2578 btcdrak: But I feel sorry for people using dash believing they get privacy. That will bite folks later if it ever becomes a coin used in major transactions. XMR at least has some real anonymous  properties.
[2016-08-23 06:44] ID=2579 Emoji_Nakamoto: biggest problem with baked in, on chain privacy is that it is a) retroactively invalid if exploited b) much harder to fix and c) worse by virtue of being homogenous
[2016-08-23 06:45] ID=2580 Emoji_Nakamoto: that's why we should all be pumped for myceliums p2p wallet tumbling
[2016-08-23 06:46] ID=2581 ???: I am more than pumped about that. Is there an ETA?
[2016-08-23 06:50] ID=2582 Emoji_Nakamoto: ping rassah
[2016-08-23 06:57] ID=2583 ???: @Rassah how's coinshuffle implementation coming along?
[2016-08-23 07:01] ID=2584 ???: None
[2016-08-23 07:26] ID=2585 vitobcn: None
[2016-08-23 07:39] ID=2586 GeorgeTaylor: A friend has a quick question, he is worried, that if he sells his phone to a phone dealer, they can somehow undelete / recover the information from a formatted/reset phone
[2016-08-23 07:40] ID=2587 GeorgeTaylor: is Mycelium seed encrypted somehow on the device to protect against this? is it only protected by the 6 number pin code?
[2016-08-23 07:40] ID=2588 Emoji_Nakamoto: a) why would you not install to SD
[2016-08-23 07:40] ID=2589 Emoji_Nakamoto: b) write the mnemonic down and remove the walet
[2016-08-23 07:41] ID=2590 Emoji_Nakamoto: c) for super extra paranoia, transfer funds to a new wallet
[2016-08-23 07:42] ID=2591 Emoji_Nakamoto: others can/will provide better explanations
[2016-08-23 07:44] ID=2592 Talon8Ya: They still need your seed and pw to steal your coins without that it doesn't matter if they have the phone. If you don't back up your seed and use a strong pw then that is bad form on the owner.
[2016-08-23 07:53] ID=2593 Emoji_Nakamoto: ^^^
[2016-08-23 08:27] ID=2594 RubenSomsen: None
[2016-08-23 08:46] ID=2595 RE_ID=2545 Superart: It's arguable that at this point the main use for LTC is to try and sell it to the greater fool in order to obtain more BTC.  Anon coins have a place right now because BTC is not yet fungible.  They are all essentially competing to see which method will ultimately be implemented into Bitcoin.  However, once that happens, the anon coins will probably go the way of LTC and Doge.
[2016-08-23 08:47] ID=2596 Emoji_Nakamoto: 1) aint zero sum
[2016-08-23 08:47] ID=2597 Emoji_Nakamoto: 2) never said prominent meant anything other than prominent
[2016-08-23 08:48] ID=2598 Superart: Fair enough.
[2016-08-23 08:49] ID=2599 Superart: OneCoin claims to also run X11.  Which coin is the more prominent one in that case?  😂😉
[2016-08-23 08:52] ID=2600 Emoji_Nakamoto: dash
[2016-08-23 09:00] ID=2601 Superart: I'm not fully familiar with zcash.  Is it a completely separate coin, or a protocol on top of bitcoin?
[2016-08-23 09:04] ID=2602 Emoji_Nakamoto: separate coin
[2016-08-23 09:06] ID=2603 Superart: How is it different from x11 or ringsig?
[2016-08-23 09:07] ID=2604 Emoji_Nakamoto: It uses a strange hybrid zkcp implementation to strip any useful data from the blockchain unless you're a keyholder on that tx
[2016-08-23 09:08] ID=2605 Emoji_Nakamoto: without multisig
[2016-08-23 09:08] ID=2606 Emoji_Nakamoto: several other differentiations but thats the key one
[2016-08-23 09:10] ID=2607 Superart: Do dash and monero offer multisig?
[2016-08-23 09:12] ID=2608 Emoji_Nakamoto: Dash does, not sure on XMC
[2016-08-23 09:13] ID=2609 Superart: But ringsig seems to be a lot more secure than dash though.
[2016-08-23 09:17] ID=2610 Emoji_Nakamoto: ah, monero does indeed have multisig
[2016-08-23 09:18] ID=2611 RE_ID=2609 Emoji_Nakamoto: no argument here, but that's a bit like saying a parapalegic is more aesthetically pleasing than an amputee
[2016-08-23 10:02] ID=2612 Superart: You dont think the monero privacy is sufficiently secure?
[2016-08-23 10:02] ID=2613 Emoji_Nakamoto: I just think baked in stuff is much more failure prone
[2016-08-23 10:04] ID=2614 Superart: With an altcoin that doesn't matter.
[2016-08-23 10:05] ID=2615 Emoji_Nakamoto: I disagree. doesn't matter what software it is. if there's a breach in a wallet/extension's security, no biggie, but if it's protocol level security, there's more incentive to find holes, implications are farther reaching, its harder to fix, and people get out the pitchforks
[2016-08-23 10:05] ID=2616 Superart: Its purpose is to test out and validate the method.
[2016-08-23 10:06] ID=2617 Superart: Don't look st it as a coin that will stand on its own.  Look at it as a testcase for a feature that may or may not be added to Bitcoin.
[2016-08-23 10:07] ID=2618 Emoji_Nakamoto: but that just isn't true
[2016-08-23 10:08] ID=2619 Emoji_Nakamoto: it's a way to make money off of gullible foks, and then abdicating responsibility by representing yourself as such
[2016-08-23 10:08] ID=2620 Emoji_Nakamoto: I take things built on top of or extendign btc as such, and don't conflate the two.
[2016-08-23 10:09] ID=2621 RE_ID=2609 btcdrak: it is. dash mixes are shit.
[2016-08-23 10:09] ID=2622 Superart: So do you see xmr and dash as competing with BTC?
[2016-08-23 10:09] ID=2623 btcdrak: the anonymity set on XMR is the entire coin set
[2016-08-23 10:10] ID=2624 btcdrak: dash isnt competing lmao. no.
[2016-08-23 10:10] ID=2626 Emoji_Nakamoto: no*
[2016-08-23 10:10] ID=2627 Emoji_Nakamoto: like I said, not zero sum
[2016-08-23 10:11] ID=2628 btcdrak: xmr is a fantastic compliment for privacy. i also heard many cryptographers speak highly of Monero ring signatures. dash also has no peer review.
[2016-08-23 10:12] ID=2629 btcdrak: zcash, if it works tho will be revolutionary since it isnt a mix at all, its totally blinded
[2016-08-23 10:13] ID=2630 btcdrak: CT is also problematic atm because of the tx sizes. I think it can be solved... zcash also had the same issue 2 years ago, the proofs were far too big to be scalable
[2016-08-23 10:13] ID=2631 Superart: Ct?
[2016-08-23 10:13] ID=2632 Emoji_Nakamoto: some transparency is required for a sane decentralized trust model imo
[2016-08-23 10:13] ID=2633 Superart: Coin tumble?
[2016-08-23 10:13] ID=2634 btcdrak: CCT hasnt had enough peer review yet, but looks promising.
[2016-08-23 10:14] ID=2635 btcdrak: confidential transactions, CT and compact CT, CCT
[2016-08-23 10:14] ID=2636 btcdrak: CT hides the amount being transacted
[2016-08-23 10:14] ID=2637 Superart: Oh
[2016-08-23 10:14] ID=2638 btcdrak: so combined with coinjoin mixes it provides good anonymity.
[2016-08-23 10:15] ID=2639 btcdrak: combined with ring signatures it would be even better...
[2016-08-23 10:15] ID=2640 btcdrak: but best is total blinding of sender recipient and amount, which is what zcash achieves
[2016-08-23 10:15] ID=2641 btcdrak: sorry if this is off topic for this room, lemme know and I will shut up
[2016-08-23 10:16] ID=2642 Superart: Gow does it do total blinding?
[2016-08-23 10:16] ID=2643 btcdrak: using zeroknowledge proofs.
[2016-08-23 10:16] ID=2644 btcdrak: so you can prove an output was spent without revealing information
[2016-08-23 10:17] ID=2645 Emoji_Nakamoto: zkcp -- make sure they have zero knowledge of your CP (payments)
[2016-08-23 10:17] ID=2646 btcdrak: we call it "moon maths"
[2016-08-23 10:17] ID=2647 btcdrak: zcash is using zksnarks
[2016-08-23 10:17] ID=2648 Superart: I need to read up more on that.
[2016-08-23 10:17] ID=2649 Emoji_Nakamoto: relatively new concept
[2016-08-23 10:18] ID=2650 Emoji_Nakamoto: there's a bitcoin-enabled pastebin that uses it out atm
[2016-08-23 10:18] ID=2651 Emoji_Nakamoto: only practical utilisation I can think of off the top
[2016-08-23 10:19] ID=2652 Emoji_Nakamoto: it has more indications for DRM than anythign else imp
[2016-08-23 10:19] ID=2653 Emoji_Nakamoto: imo*
[2016-08-23 10:19] ID=2654 Emoji_Nakamoto: as in, they send you encrypted content, you pay to decrypt it
[2016-08-23 10:20] ID=2655 Emoji_Nakamoto: like ransomware, but supported by the MPAA and RIAA
[2016-08-23 10:26] ID=2656 btcdrak: this article is a bit technical but explains the idea of Zk https://manishearth.github.io/blog/2016/03/05/exploring-zero-knowledge-proofs/
[2016-08-23 10:27] ID=2657 Superart: Thanks.  Will read it when inam less sleep deprived :-]
[2016-08-23 10:27] ID=2658 btcdrak: actually this is better as a general concept  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zero-knowledge_proof#Abstract_example
[2016-08-23 10:28] ID=2659 btcdrak: or this one https://medium.com/@jinglan/how-to-explain-zero-knowledge-protocols-to-your-average-child-eb49feb4a41d#.2l1o5lrv7
[2016-08-23 10:34] ID=2660 favdesu: I wouldn't bet on zcash
[2016-08-23 10:37] ID=2661 btcdrak: the founder rewards are problematic in zcash. miners have real costs, but its free money for tge founders
[2016-08-23 10:37] ID=2662 btcdrak: bad for price discovery
[2016-08-23 10:42] ID=2663 ???: It's definitely problematic but it's also a decent incentive to keep such a huge dev team on board.
[2016-08-23 10:42] ID=2664 Emoji_Nakamoto: What we call a 'smartel'
[2016-08-23 10:44] ID=2665 ???: If the coin ends up in some controversy and everyone jumps ship they'll have nothing from the founders reward.
[2016-08-23 10:46] ID=2666 ???: Everyone; as in the hodlers, and miners of course
[2016-08-23 12:23] ID=2667 Emoji_Nakamoto: yo watch out
[2016-08-23 12:23] ID=2668 Emoji_Nakamoto: http://bitcoinist.net/psa-coinbase-referral-spammer-uses-bitcoin-urls/
[2016-08-23 12:34] ID=2669 RE_ID=2668 AROMACOMPUTERS: LOL
[2016-08-23 12:41] ID=2670 Emoji_Nakamoto: it's a scummy 3rd party, not coinbase itself
[2016-08-23 12:44] ID=2671 AROMACOMPUTERS: this happens to any popular domain name
[2016-08-23 12:53] ID=2672 Emoji_Nakamoto: I'm aware, but it's one guy doing it to every crypto domain
[2016-08-23 12:53] ID=2673 Emoji_Nakamoto: with one referral spam link on a public account
[2016-08-23 12:53] ID=2674 Emoji_Nakamoto: if you're dumb enough to be that brazen you deserve to get the plug pulled
[2016-08-23 12:59] ID=2675 Emoji_Nakamoto: Plus if Coinbase keeps letting him do it, They look shady as fuck
[2016-08-23 12:59] ID=2676 Emoji_Nakamoto: funny that the domains are registered to "D Seaman" though
[2016-08-23 13:14] ID=2677 AROMACOMPUTERS: has he violated any specific rules
[2016-08-23 13:16] ID=2678 AROMACOMPUTERS: just sayin...\nIf i was to buy myceliym.com & myceliom.com  & redirect to coinbase... to myreferal... whats illegal
[2016-08-23 13:17] ID=2679 AROMACOMPUTERS: if mycelium has a prob with it, they should prob buy those domains now
[2016-08-23 13:18] ID=2680 favdesu: No way he uses btc URLs
[2016-08-23 13:18] ID=2681 favdesu: What a fucking genius
[2016-08-23 13:18] ID=2682 favdesu: Sarcasm.
[2016-08-23 13:19] ID=2683 AROMACOMPUTERS: im not saying its not an asshole move, just dont see why he should be censored
[2016-08-23 13:19] ID=2684 favdesu: Me neither
[2016-08-23 13:19] ID=2685 favdesu: It's fair game
[2016-08-23 13:39] ID=2686 SJ C: deception to another for the purpose of personal financial gain, has always, will always be stealing
[2016-08-23 13:40] ID=2687 SJ C: how you or society wants to deal with that is another matter entirely
[2016-08-23 13:42] ID=2688 RE_ID=2678 Emoji_Nakamoto: Not sayign it's illegal, I'm saying its scummy and deceptive
[2016-08-23 13:42] ID=2689 RE_ID=2688 AROMACOMPUTERS: i think its funny.  should be expected
[2016-08-23 13:43] ID=2690 Emoji_Nakamoto: those aren't mutually exclusive
[2016-08-23 13:43] ID=2691 Emoji_Nakamoto: if they were martin shkreli wouldn't have such a large twitter following
[2016-08-23 13:44] ID=2692 AROMACOMPUTERS: like when weedmaps .com  was trolled by weeedmaps .com\nwas on weedmaps for not blocking this typo troll, by buying weedmaps\ntil a few years later "someone" paid like 20,000 for it
[2016-08-23 13:45] ID=2693 AROMACOMPUTERS: my domains are tolled too
[2016-08-23 13:45] ID=2694 AROMACOMPUTERS: took maybe 2 days from when i bought, to when i got trolled
[2016-08-23 13:46] ID=2695 Emoji_Nakamoto: were they parked, redirects, or affiliate links
[2016-08-23 13:46] ID=2696 Emoji_Nakamoto: genuinely curious
[2016-08-23 13:47] ID=2697 AROMACOMPUTERS: in early 2000 Microsoft dealt with this domain trolling problem, for a bit...\n1 day any domain went to that had microsoft anywhere in it, or misseplled \nwent to nowhere.com\nthey bought em up and redirected
[2016-08-23 13:48] ID=2698 AROMACOMPUTERS: like fuckmicrosoft.com  was a funny blog
[2016-08-23 13:48] ID=2699 AROMACOMPUTERS: What about him?   I know that guy!
[2016-08-23 13:48] ID=2700 AROMACOMPUTERS: That is Andrew.
[2016-08-23 13:49] ID=2701 AROMACOMPUTERS: besides having a plethora of domain extensions just makes this easier to do
[2016-08-23 13:53] ID=2702 Emoji_Nakamoto: yeah. Its not redirecting that's the problem, it's misleading typos to affiliate referral links that starts to become a grey area
[2016-08-23 14:11] ID=2703 RE_ID=2534 Rassah: Why ASIC resistance?
[2016-08-23 14:13] ID=2704 Emoji_Nakamoto: Easier to get a foot in the door. You can have asics later and be fine, sure, but you don't want an algo that can be hashed on existing hardware so people with obselete asics on chain x dont move over to yours and take it over
[2016-08-23 14:14] ID=2705 Emoji_Nakamoto: how many sha256 things are still around/new and successful? scrypt? x11?
[2016-08-23 14:15] ID=2706 Emoji_Nakamoto: there's pretty much just one per asic.
[2016-08-23 14:18] ID=2707 RE_ID=2583 Rassah: Working on a GUI for a standalone mixer app. Just started this week actually. For now it's just command line based code
[2016-08-23 14:19] ID=2708 Emoji_Nakamoto: OOH
[2016-08-23 14:21] ID=2709 RE_ID=2586 Rassah: The seed us not encrypted, but it's wiped when you uninstall the app. Since it's in flash storage, it would likely take ten thousand dollars or more to try to recover it, and still there's a low chance they'll succeed. I doubt anyone will bother. If he wants to be safe, have him uninstall the app, do a factory reset, and then fill the storage with some temp files like photos or movie files until it's full.
[2016-08-23 14:37] ID=2710 RE_ID=2702 AROMACOMPUTERS: whats the difference?
[2016-08-23 14:37] ID=2711 RE_ID=2707 ???: Great :) I'll be looking forward to it!
[2016-08-23 14:38] ID=2712 AROMACOMPUTERS: DAMN thats high now
[2016-08-23 14:38] ID=2713 AROMACOMPUTERS: domain trolling is domain trolling
[2016-08-23 14:38] ID=2714 Emoji_Nakamoto: oh boy
[2016-08-23 14:39] ID=2715 RE_ID=2709 btcdrak: I'm not sure about that. Where I live there is a forensic lab which recovers deleted files from mobile phones for about £100 including pickup and delivery.
[2016-08-23 14:40] ID=2716 Rassah: That's ridiculously cheap. Wonder if they can do that from wiped phones where the FAT table has been reformatted
[2016-08-23 14:41] ID=2717 btcdrak: Unsure, but they access the memory directly (physical connect) using their equiment. same process as the police
[2016-08-23 14:42] ID=2718 btcdrak: I think it's less complex/expensive than forensic recovery of hard disks, since flash is relatively small, and they only need to hook up some pins as opposed to needing a cleanroom and special machinery for hard disk platters.. not to mention the extensive time it takes to scan a HDD.
[2016-08-23 14:44] ID=2719 AROMACOMPUTERS: i wouldnt doubt it...  I took a phone to some colege students that claimed they could get the contacts off my phone which a german sheppard played with it and had multiple holes all the way through...\nand they did
[2016-08-23 14:45] ID=2720 Rassah: So a full wipe and overwriting everything would be best
[2016-08-23 14:48] ID=2721 AROMACOMPUTERS: melting your phone after shredding would be best
[2016-08-23 14:49] ID=2722 RE_ID=2720 AROMACOMPUTERS: 2nd best
[2016-08-23 14:55] ID=2723 Emoji_Nakamoto: or just root and install to sd
[2016-08-23 14:55] ID=2724 Emoji_Nakamoto: remove sd when you sell phone
[2016-08-23 14:55] ID=2725 Emoji_Nakamoto: aint gotta be complicated y'all
[2016-08-23 14:57] ID=2726 AROMACOMPUTERS: id never root phone, opens root to apps, just stupid
[2016-08-23 16:00] ID=2727 ???: You have to approve root access to the phone apps.
[2016-08-23 16:01] ID=2728 AROMACOMPUTERS: on a rooted for i wouldnt trust that
[2016-08-23 16:03] ID=2729 SJ C: get a terminal app, verify who has root access
[2016-08-23 16:04] ID=2730 SJ C: if you don't know what you are doing, agree root access would not be wise
[2016-08-23 16:05] ID=2731 ???: I have a phone that i tunnel all the traffic i want thru tor and vpn. Block all other traffic. I have to approve which apps have root access. Gps is permenantly disabled. Can't do that on a non rooted device.
[2016-08-23 16:05] ID=2732 SJ C: plus you can disable super user
[2016-08-23 16:23] ID=2733 Rassah: More scam accusations... https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/4z3t19/mycelium_crowd_source_question_so_whats_up_with/
[2016-08-23 16:24] ID=2734 favdesu: stupid, but I kinda see why. colu is a shit platform
[2016-08-23 16:25] ID=2735 Rassah: It was ok, then they raised a whole bunch of money, and started upgrading EVERYTHING. Right while our crowdsale was going on. So, basically, users had to go through "under construction" bullshit
[2016-08-23 16:29] ID=2736 SJ C: people are throwing around the word scam too freely these days
[2016-08-23 16:30] ID=2737 SJ C: Madoff = scam, mycelium = not even close
[2016-08-23 16:31] ID=2738 SJ C: half these a holes never bother to do any due diligence , ask questions and do a bit of digging, then get overly senstive about the silliest of minute details
[2016-08-23 16:31] ID=2739 SJ C: bah, scam yellers
[2016-08-23 16:31] ID=2740 SJ C: almost as bad as the real scammers
[2016-08-23 17:17] ID=2741 Cme: I see the monkeys have ventured over to the Mycelium camp to sniff some of our poop! Lol. Will Rassah be asked on bitcoin uncensored?
[2016-08-23 17:22] ID=2742 Emoji_Nakamoto: haha I don't think so
[2016-08-23 17:23] ID=2743 RE_ID=2726 Emoji_Nakamoto: Not if you know what you're doing
[2016-08-23 17:23] ID=2744 Emoji_Nakamoto: you still have permissions control
[2016-08-23 17:30] ID=2745 Rassah: I think I have been on Uncensored. I don't remember
[2016-08-23 17:32] ID=2746 RE_ID=2741 AROMACOMPUTERS: @brighton36   Ask the 2nd dumbest man in Bitcoin
[2016-08-23 17:32] ID=2747 chrisderose: he has
[2016-08-23 17:32] ID=2748 chrisderose: a few times
[2016-08-23 17:33] ID=2749 chrisderose: I'm even sitting on an episode that I've yet to release
[2016-08-23 17:33] ID=2750 chrisderose: (For no good reason)
[2016-08-23 17:33] ID=2751 RE_ID=2750 AROMACOMPUTERS: youre not supressing it are you, wtf\nslacking if not
[2016-08-23 17:33] ID=2752 chrisderose: hah
[2016-08-23 17:33] ID=2753 chrisderose: just slacking
[2016-08-23 17:34] ID=2754 chrisderose: it's good content
[2016-08-23 17:34] ID=2755 chrisderose: nothing to do with mycelium even iirc
[2016-08-23 17:41] ID=2756 Emoji_Nakamoto: look forward to hearing it
[2016-08-23 17:45] ID=2757 RE_ID=2749 Rassah: Thank you. Let us know when you need another payment ;)
[2016-08-23 17:45] ID=2758 chrisderose: :)
[2016-08-23 19:14] ID=2759 chrisguida: None
[2016-08-24 05:43] ID=2760 RE_ID=2707 ShortFatUglyDumb: Sweet! The world can defly use this. Looking 4wd.
[2016-08-24 10:14] ID=2761 ???: How secure is using the local bitcoin app with 2 factor authentication? I hate having to have my funds sent there but i need to purchase from EU. Any plans on integration for a service that can purchase from Sepa?
[2016-08-24 13:39] ID=2762 Rassah: We don't know any companies that let you buy from Sepa. We don't actually do anything like that ourselves. We just implement this party services for that
[2016-08-24 13:41] ID=2763 ???: gotcha. i love cashila. that was the best thing for making my life easier. but with traveling now i need to make buying bitcoins faster and easier too when i run out. hard for me to send money to people for bills when traveling between countries unless i use bitcoin
[2016-08-24 14:22] ID=2764 mandarln: None
[2016-08-24 16:23] ID=2765 DanielWeigl: @ChemicalAnarchy afaik you can use cashila to buy bitcoin via sepa - but not directly from within the app - login on their website via bitid, then you get into your account
[2016-08-24 16:25] ID=2766 ???: @DanielMycelium where was the link for that? That was the first thing i did but didnt see anything except links to exchanges and localbitcoins and a atm locator that wasnt updated
[2016-08-24 16:57] ID=2767 RE_ID=2766 DanielWeigl: Link for what? That one? https://www.cashila.com/deposits/deposit
[2016-08-24 17:12] ID=2768 ???: Link to purchase bitcoin with cashila thru sepa. I didnt see it anywhere in my account where i could purchase btc
[2016-08-24 22:33] ID=2771 RE_ID=2768 Rassah: Cashila only lets you send bitcoin to a SEPA account. It doesn't let you buy it
[2016-08-24 22:34] ID=2772 Rassah: At least that was my understanding
[2016-08-24 22:54] ID=2773 AROMACOMPUTERS: http://cryptoart.com/product/bitcoin-the-halving-ii-moon-or-bomb
[2016-08-24 22:54] ID=2774 AROMACOMPUTERS: https://ci6.googleusercontent.com/proxy/Q31L9XOam1NBdeIhylBO2lO1JKn2EtEFmdWkcZl_EC-tUxHOECMltYwVyCKAklE6__uV-gMAp7jW12BO__BFAt1zhaOy-YCBBz-Y2w1b_438dF6eOau9uxEJh0jcA4DXOiizh-ObGrw=s0-d-e1-ft#http://cryptoart.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/08/halvingII-medium-large-600x600.jpg
[2016-08-25 07:01] ID=2775 ???: Is there a list of Telegram crypto groups? I kind of found this one by mistake.
[2016-08-25 07:11] ID=2776 Superart: There are a few, but the best one is not on a list.
[2016-08-25 07:20] ID=2777 ???: How do I get in? Secret code phrase? Signing of the Genesis block?
[2016-08-25 07:24] ID=2778 Superart: There's a link, b7t I cant give it to you, sorry.
[2016-08-25 07:24] ID=2779 Superart: I have voluntarily forfited by invite privileges
[2016-08-25 07:25] ID=2780 ???: Owh
[2016-08-25 07:25] ID=2781 Superart: I had a history of poor judgment when it came to the people I invited.
[2016-08-25 07:25] ID=2782 Superart: There are others in this chat who can give you the link.
[2016-08-25 07:25] ID=2783 ???: You can check out my history in this group I don't exactly Shit post
[2016-08-25 07:26] ID=2784 ???: But thanks anyways :)
[2016-08-25 07:27] ID=2785 Superart: Haha, nevermind.  Looks like you are already in the dojo ;-)
[2016-08-25 07:28] ID=2786 ???: Oh, it's the dojo :). Yeah just got invited!
[2016-08-25 07:28] ID=2787 Superart: 👍
[2016-08-25 07:29] ID=2788 IamVet: None
[2016-08-25 11:30] ID=2789 RE_ID=2775 ShawnLeary: @cryptogroups
[2016-08-25 11:31] ID=2790 ???: Thx!!
[2016-08-25 14:45] ID=2791 ShortFatUglyDumb: Very cool. Thx!
[2016-08-25 16:29] ID=2792 Jorj_X_McKie: None
[2016-08-25 16:30] ID=2793 Jorj_X_McKie: Thanks SFUD
[2016-08-26 08:50] ID=2794 ShortFatUglyDumb: Mycelium & CoinShuffle in the news: http://www.coindesk.com/bitcoin-privacy-advances-first-coinshuffle-transaction/
[2016-08-26 15:02] ID=2795 udiWertheimer: Is anyone here interested in buying/selling MT?
[2016-08-26 15:46] ID=2796 GuerraMoneta: Will mycelium be integrating this privacy feature?
[2016-08-26 15:58] ID=2797 Rassah: We paid a lot of money to get it made
[2016-08-26 15:58] ID=2798 Rassah: Full time developers aren't free, or cheap
[2016-08-26 16:13] ID=2799 Jorj_X_McKie: Easy shuffling on mobile will be a significant event I'm thinking.  Which likely to have some wallet implementation first,  Dash or Bitcoin?
[2016-08-26 16:14] ID=2800 Rassah: Dash has that built into the protocol already
[2016-08-26 16:15] ID=2801 Jorj_X_McKie: Not on mobile.
[2016-08-26 16:15] ID=2802 Rassah: So that'll happen when we add Dash support to Mycelium
[2016-08-26 16:15] ID=2803 Rassah: Oh
[2016-08-26 16:15] ID=2804 Rassah: I thought Dash did that at the protocol level???
[2016-08-26 16:16] ID=2805 Jorj_X_McKie: I assume that also,  but not implemented in any mobile wallet AFAICT
[2016-08-26 16:16] ID=2806 Rassah: Anyway, for Shufflepuff we plan to implement it with bitcoin
[2016-08-26 16:17] ID=2807 Jorj_X_McKie: 👍
[2016-08-26 16:18] ID=2808 Jorj_X_McKie: Love the name... sounds like a Hogwarts house for the crypto nerd wizard kids
[2016-08-26 16:18] ID=2809 Rassah: We're discussing for how to make it be automatic in the background, with the wallet managing shuffled funds in the background and keeping them separate for you
[2016-08-26 16:19] ID=2810 Jorj_X_McKie: Default setting?
[2016-08-26 16:22] ID=2811 Rassah: So either we stick with current BIP for HD wallets and it creates a separate account for every shuffle, but knowing that the money belongs to the original account just shows them together under one balance, or we have a new BIP where HD wallets have sub branches of funds that all belong to the same account, but are split internally the same way. First is more compatible with other wallets, but doesn't preserve metadata about what was mixed when, and second is cleaner, but would make it incompatible with wallets that don't support CoinShuffle or that BIP.
[2016-08-26 16:23] ID=2812 Rassah: Just mixing isn't the only step. If you mix, and then spend different coins together, you can deanonymise yourself and everyone else from the last mix
[2016-08-26 16:25] ID=2813 Jorj_X_McKie: Sounds like your saying analytics can determine if an address is derived from another in the hierarchy? P.S., I'm not a coder!
[2016-08-26 16:27] ID=2814 Jorj_X_McKie: Thanks for the info. I think your wallet is great and you guys have your eyes on the ball.
[2016-08-26 16:30] ID=2815 Cme: Ty for the update👍
[2016-08-26 16:31] ID=2816 Rassah: Basically, of you have two coins from two shuffles, and you spend them together, then looking at the blockchain it's obvious both of them belong to you. Then if you mixed with one or two other people in the prior mixing session, you can be taken out as a known party, and the other is known or reduced to 50/50
[2016-08-26 16:32] ID=2817 Rassah: When mixing, the goal isn't 100% anonymity, since that's impossible. The goal is plausible deniability, which is on a scale. 49% and below certainty is good, and less is better
[2016-08-26 16:34] ID=2818 Jorj_X_McKie: That sounds like a tool needed in the real world,  real soon!
[2016-08-26 16:35] ID=2819 Rassah: That's what CoinShuffle with automatic coin management will do
[2016-08-26 16:35] ID=2820 Jorj_X_McKie: 👍
[2016-08-26 16:35] ID=2821 ???: I am a joinmarket user, couldn't be any happier about Coinshuffle
[2016-08-26 16:37] ID=2822 Jorj_X_McKie: Can I ask what a 'joinmarket user ' is?
[2016-08-26 16:39] ID=2823 Rassah: It's a competing mixing service based on CoinJoin.
[2016-08-26 17:22] ID=2824 RE_ID=2795 jhon_Doe: yes, i want to sell a portion of my stake
[2016-08-26 17:25] ID=2825 RE_ID=2822 Rassah: The difference between CoinJoin and CoinShuffle is that CoinJoin is done with a single third party organizing people, and includes market makers who put their money up as available to mix with, while CoinShuffle only needs a way for people interested in mixing to find themselves, like an announcement board, but all the mixing is done between the people involved peer to peer. The third party doesn't know who mixed and how much
[2016-08-26 17:27] ID=2826 Jorj_X_McKie: I'm a lot more comfortable with that approach
[2016-08-26 18:48] ID=2827 chrisguida: Can't wait to start shuffling with mycelium
[2016-08-26 18:48] ID=2828 chrisguida: Every day I'm shufflin'
[2016-08-26 19:38] ID=2829 ShortFatUglyDumb: From what I hear, JoinMarket currently requires some tech knowledge 2 get going w it. U don't need 2 b a Linux command line pro, but OTOH, JoinMarket isn't just a few clicks & ur done.
[2016-08-26 20:38] ID=2830 ShortFatUglyDumb: Thx 4 all the Shufflepuff detail, Rassah. Much appreciated.
[2016-08-27 05:33] ID=2831 ShortFatUglyDumb: I'm glad 2 c 1 of the bug fixes in latest Myc version - LocalTrader ad instability when r8 feed was down. In my experience, the bug also delisted the ad in addition 2 preventing edits.
[2016-08-27 07:19] ID=2832 RE_ID=2829 ???: Oh joinmarket isn't that hard, but it definitely isn't friendly if you're not used to command line. They do have a   easier to use GUI for both windows and Linux, but only for coin joins. You need to do the tumbling process manually. \n\nI think most people who actively use it for privacy will jump into coinshuffle once it gets released.
[2016-08-27 13:42] ID=2833 GB: Anyone elses account missing from Colu.co?
[2016-08-27 14:09] ID=2834 Frankffm17: Rassah, i Hope your are well...how can i Send You an Email with one direct Question. Please be so Kind
[2016-08-27 15:54] ID=2836 RE_ID=2834 Rassah: [email protected] Or you can just ask through Telegram through a private chat
[2016-08-27 16:04] ID=2837 ???: You guys catch the monero scam on twitter with fluffy?
[2016-08-27 16:05] ID=2838 ???: No. Got a link?
[2016-08-27 16:07] ID=2839 ???: its on monero sub. basically someone opened a twitter in his name but with a capital i instead of the L. messaging followers to help take a survey about getting monero public. then after they do that he offers them monero for 50% of the value if they pay by bitcoin.
[2016-08-27 16:16] ID=2840 ???: @Rassah. How do i move my coins off of colu
[2016-08-27 16:17] ID=2841 ???: I wonder how many fell for that. Gotta be somewhat gullible..
[2016-08-27 16:25] ID=2842 RE_ID=2841 ???: they tracked 8. something bitcoin paid into that at that time
[2016-08-27 16:26] ID=2843 RE_ID=2840 Rassah: You can send it to a Colu app on your phone
[2016-08-27 16:26] ID=2844 ???: I hope they did not lose to much. At least they learned something that day, hopefully.
[2016-08-27 16:27] ID=2845 RE_ID=2843 ???: It not letting me log in
[2016-08-27 16:27] ID=2846 Rassah: Make sure you have your private key or seed backed up in Colu. Technically the coins are on the bitcoin blockchain, not in Colu. Colu is just a wallet that lets you manage colored coins
[2016-08-27 16:27] ID=2847 RE_ID=2845 Rassah: Try deleting your Colu.com cookies
[2016-08-27 17:15] ID=2848 GB: @rassah any chance Colu is going to find my account or even respond to an email?
[2016-08-27 17:21] ID=2849 RE_ID=2848 Rassah: I hope so. What happened?
[2016-08-27 17:27] ID=2850 GB: Account has completely disappeared
[2016-08-27 17:44] ID=2851 RE_ID=2850 AROMACOMPUTERS: sounds like my Reddit acct
[2016-08-27 17:50] ID=2852 GB: I might just make a new Reddit account but making a new colu account wouldn't give me my coins back
[2016-08-27 18:16] ID=2853 Rassah: It tells you account doesn't exist or what? I'm guessing you don't have a backup
[2016-08-27 18:17] ID=2854 ???: @Rassah i still cant get in
[2016-08-27 18:17] ID=2855 Rassah: What's it saying? I don't run out use Colu, but I've tested it
[2016-08-27 18:19] ID=2856 GB: It tells me to create an entirely new account because it doesn't recognize my email address
[2016-08-27 18:21] ID=2857 Rassah: Huh... I would keep bugging them. They are busy doing stuff in the back end, but they're there
[2016-08-27 23:58] ID=2858 DoubleYouSee23: anyone know of a good resource for getting in depth with various BIPs?
[2016-08-27 23:59] ID=2859 DoubleYouSee23: I'm hoping to spend a few days reading about technicals, and any place to start would be awesome
[2016-08-28 00:26] ID=2860 RE_ID=2795 ???: Hi there I'm selling 0.3 MT
[2016-08-28 00:35] ID=2861 RE_ID=2860 DoubleYouSee23: what's the going rate on those anyway?
[2016-08-28 00:38] ID=2862 AROMACOMPUTERS: 
[2016-08-28 00:59] ID=2863 DoubleYouSee23: well, thenn, i would like to sell mine as well...
[2016-08-28 01:05] ID=2864 AROMACOMPUTERS: I guess this is "the market"?
[2016-08-28 01:06] ID=2865 AROMACOMPUTERS: https://market.bitsquare.io/?market=mt_btc
[2016-08-28 01:07] ID=2866 Rassah: Yep :|
[2016-08-28 01:21] ID=2867 GB: Anyone know a direct link for a colu.com login page?  I can login to the ap (which shows me nothing but a not available in your area screen) but I can't login to the website
[2016-08-28 01:29] ID=2868 Rassah: https://dashboard.colu.co/login
[2016-08-28 01:29] ID=2869 RE_ID=2868 Rassah: None
[2016-08-28 09:08] ID=2870 RE_ID=2858 ShortFatUglyDumb: This *might* be the homebase for BIPs: https://github.com/bitcoin/bips
[2016-08-28 09:09] ID=2871 RE_ID=2870 AROMACOMPUTERS: idk looks fishy
[2016-08-28 09:59] ID=2872 RE_ID=2871 btcdrak: lol
[2016-08-28 10:00] ID=2873 btcdrak: That is the BIPs repository.
[2016-08-29 12:57] ID=2874 yyuvane: https://youtu.be/tjH6pHSQQ68
[2016-08-29 14:56] ID=2875 abstractbtc: Any one knows the current paying price for 1MT?
[2016-08-29 14:56] ID=2876 abstractbtc: I mean sale price
[2016-08-29 17:01] ID=2877 Gladpack: https://market.bitsquare.io/?market=mt_btc
[2016-08-29 17:47] ID=2880 ???: I can't install it in my PC
[2016-08-29 17:47] ID=2881 ???: Windows 64 bit
[2016-08-29 19:14] ID=2882 RE_ID=2881 AROMACOMPUTERS: 😂😂 Winders sucks
[2016-08-29 19:37] ID=2883 Gladpack: You can't install on 64 bit? I did
[2016-08-29 19:37] ID=2884 Gladpack: And you don't need to install Bitsquare to see the historical trades
[2016-08-29 20:41] ID=2885 CosmosStag: https://news.bitcoin.com/shufflepuff-interview-daniel-krawisz/
[2016-08-29 21:41] ID=2886 ???: I need to install it if I want to trade and I can't, says unexpected error at the end of installation process
[2016-08-29 21:44] ID=2887 RE_ID=2886 AROMACOMPUTERS: 😭
[2016-08-29 21:45] ID=2888 AROMACOMPUTERS: I hate Winderz
[2016-08-30 00:25] ID=2889 yyuvane: http://decent.ch/decent-hangouts-qa-session-2/
[2016-08-30 09:27] ID=2890 yyuvane: http://cryptorials.io/decentralized-media-comparison-best-networks-reviewed/
[2016-08-30 16:00] ID=2891 ???: 0.3 MT for sale
[2016-08-30 16:47] ID=2892 Gladpack: Price?
[2016-08-30 17:39] ID=2893 ???: 0.27 Btc
[2016-08-30 18:18] ID=2894 ethereum: 
[2016-08-30 18:22] ID=2895 ethereum: 
[2016-08-30 18:23] ID=2896 ethereum: At the Coinscrum Meetup ...in Fintec's world capital!\nhttp://meetu.ps/e/BTzp6/dGBS6/d
[2016-08-30 18:26] ID=2897 ethereum: 
[2016-08-30 18:26] ID=2898 ethereum: 
[2016-08-30 18:29] ID=2899 ethereum: 
[2016-08-30 18:30] ID=2900 ethereum: 
[2016-08-30 18:31] ID=2901 ethereum: Mass Network\nhttps://mass.network//
[2016-08-30 22:13] ID=2902 LianTianRong: None
[2016-08-30 22:13] ID=2903 LianTianRong: 👋
[2016-08-30 23:59] ID=2904 ???: None
[2016-09-01 00:04] ID=2905 Cme: https://btcmanager.com/news/finance/myceliums-new-wallet-and-plutus-introduces-tap-and-pay/
[2016-09-01 00:42] ID=2906 Jorj_X_McKie: Apple says Dash not 'approved' according to Di'Iorio of Jaxx. Is Mycelium ok with Android only release?
[2016-09-01 00:54] ID=2907 LianTianRong: pffft hahahaha
[2016-09-01 01:40] ID=2908 Rassah: It may be because Dash Pay is already a thing from another credit card company
[2016-09-01 02:18] ID=2909 Jorj_X_McKie: Well, I liked 'Darkcoin' better anyway.
[2016-09-01 02:26] ID=2910 ShortFatUglyDumb: Apple may just need a little more education/time. For all we know, in a few weeks they may green light Dash. Remember, in the beginning they wouldn't allow ANY crypto wallets in the Apple Store (just Bitcoin back then).
[2016-09-01 02:30] ID=2911 Rassah: I seriously think it's just because Dash Pay that the Jaxx wallet has is already trademarked buy a credit card company, and this has nothing to do with cryptocurrencies
[2016-09-01 02:30] ID=2912 Cme: How does this group feel about the mass.network? Btw...nice Telegram bot
[2016-09-01 02:31] ID=2913 Cme: Nice advertising. Lol
[2016-09-01 02:32] ID=2914 Cme: Do we get compensated in mass coin for that ad?
[2016-09-01 02:34] ID=2915 Cme: If LN works no reason this won't work. Brave browse is slooow
[2016-09-01 02:35] ID=2916 RE_ID=2914 Rassah: 👍
[2016-09-01 02:36] ID=2917 Rassah: The companies involved is pretty surprising actually. I'm a big fan of a few of them. So I hope this works out. Bit skeptical of the separate token thing though.
[2016-09-01 02:36] ID=2918 Rassah: I'm a bitcoin maximalist though...
[2016-09-01 02:37] ID=2919 Cme: Ty
[2016-09-01 02:38] ID=2920 Cme: Are these companies building to a mycelium plugin spec?
[2016-09-01 02:39] ID=2921 RE_ID=2912 LianTianRong: Oh good! A way to standarize and promote the good ads vs the typical "disable AdBlock", right?
[2016-09-01 02:41] ID=2922 AROMACOMPUTERS: the best way to fix ads... is to send everyone every ad, and have users use browsers or whetever be it, that they self filter
[2016-09-01 02:41] ID=2923 Cme: Or if I wanted to buy a Raspberry Pi I could just announce it to the mass network and only get ads for that
[2016-09-01 02:42] ID=2924 AROMACOMPUTERS: that would in a sense a self filter, through a 3rd party
[2016-09-01 02:43] ID=2925 Cme: Yeah but the company will worry about it not me filtering it
[2016-09-01 02:43] ID=2926 Rassah: This is more like you voluntarily subscribe to stuff, but get paid for it. Like subscribing to an Ikea catalog or something.
[2016-09-01 02:43] ID=2927 Cme: Oh
[2016-09-01 02:43] ID=2928 Rassah: But for specific types of ads online. At least that's what it sounds like
[2016-09-01 02:44] ID=2929 AROMACOMPUTERS: i thin k its best to push every ad, and let you self filter... then nobody knows what your cjhoosing, nobody is blowing hoards of cash mining our personal data for the purpose of sending better ads
[2016-09-01 02:45] ID=2930 Rassah: But the companies selling ads don't know whether to charge for it or not
[2016-09-01 02:45] ID=2931 AROMACOMPUTERS: flat rate
[2016-09-01 02:45] ID=2932 Rassah: The other point of this is to get rid of ad companies
[2016-09-01 02:45] ID=2933 Cme: Much more decentralized
[2016-09-01 02:45] ID=2934 AROMACOMPUTERS: in or out
[2016-09-01 02:46] ID=2935 Cme: Filtering your own stuff
[2016-09-01 02:47] ID=2936 Rassah: Instead of a company paying for ad company to stick ads into place for them, I think this is supposed to let you "subscribe" to companies you like yourself, give them your info and watch their ads directly, while they pay you instead of the ad company
[2016-09-01 02:47] ID=2937 RE_ID=2936 AROMACOMPUTERS: on the right path
[2016-09-01 02:47] ID=2938 Rassah: But, again, I barely know anything about this. Just what I read about it in two of our internal memos
[2016-09-01 02:47] ID=2939 Talon8Ya: Biggest problem with getting rid of ads is it is harder for content providers to pay for quality content. Pay walls and direct tipping are not really working yet.
[2016-09-01 02:48] ID=2940 AROMACOMPUTERS: not quite there yet.. but better maybe. we'll see if people feel strongly enough to pay for these ads
[2016-09-01 02:48] ID=2941 RE_ID=2936 Talon8Ya: That isn't working yet either
[2016-09-01 02:48] ID=2942 RE_ID=2940 Talon8Ya: Agreed and right now they don't care
[2016-09-01 02:48] ID=2943 AROMACOMPUTERS: nobody is on the correct model imo
[2016-09-01 02:48] ID=2944 Cme: I saw mycelium CEO on board so I threw a few bits their way
[2016-09-01 02:49] ID=2945 Talon8Ya: I hate ads but without them I can't bring you the news.
[2016-09-01 02:49] ID=2946 AROMACOMPUTERS: your not going to be honest, if your giving this info oput
[2016-09-01 02:49] ID=2947 AROMACOMPUTERS: you wont, you just wont
[2016-09-01 02:50] ID=2948 AROMACOMPUTERS: this is the downfall of every current advertising mondel
[2016-09-01 02:51] ID=2949 RE_ID=2926 LianTianRong: I still remember those stupid forums that forced you to subscribe to at least 3 out of their 20 newsletters
[2016-09-01 02:51] ID=2950 LianTianRong: wouldn't let you continue registration otherwise
[2016-09-01 02:51] ID=2951 Cme: Hopefully keeps us moving in the direction to a solution even if she fails
[2016-09-01 02:51] ID=2952 LianTianRong: I juse used throwaway e-mail addresses :P
[2016-09-01 02:51] ID=2953 RE_ID=2949 Talon8Ya: Ugh those sucked
[2016-09-01 02:54] ID=2954 RE_ID=2946 Rassah: Some won't, some will. There are companies I really like
[2016-09-01 02:57] ID=2955 AROMACOMPUTERS: nobody is going to tell a 3rd party * their deep private thoughts
[2016-09-01 02:58] ID=2956 AROMACOMPUTERS: if only YOU knew what you clicked on or types as a preference...  then why not type your adddress and cocaine or *anything?
[2016-09-01 03:00] ID=2957 AROMACOMPUTERS: this is why they mine our personal data
[2016-09-01 03:00] ID=2958 AROMACOMPUTERS: read your emails
[2016-09-01 03:00] ID=2959 AROMACOMPUTERS: most people dont realize what they type in a google search is kinda permanent
[2016-09-01 03:01] ID=2960 LianTianRong: That is why I am moving towards self hosting everything
[2016-09-01 03:01] ID=2961 LianTianRong: I even self host my own search engine lol
[2016-09-01 03:01] ID=2962 Rassah: I like Roomba. And Ikea. And AMD. Even if I don't buy stuff from them, I still wouldn't mind reading about new things they're inventing. I think the data in this case may just be your demographic, and what you like
[2016-09-01 03:01] ID=2963 AROMACOMPUTERS: haha it must suck
[2016-09-01 03:02] ID=2964 Rassah: And I hope 4Chan floods it and boots up a large ad market targeting weird shit too
[2016-09-01 03:03] ID=2965 LianTianRong: Lol
[2016-09-01 03:03] ID=2966 LianTianRong: No
[2016-09-01 03:03] ID=2967 Rassah: The world needs more weird shit
[2016-09-01 03:03] ID=2968 AROMACOMPUTERS: idk, i can spend 20 minutes even using yahoo search or bing... and not find what google will show on 1 hit
[2016-09-01 03:04] ID=2969 AROMACOMPUTERS: indexing "everything" isnt easy
[2016-09-01 03:05] ID=2970 AROMACOMPUTERS: i remember the lycos's and altavista's  that you set a timer for how long to "search" for your query
[2016-09-01 03:05] ID=2971 AROMACOMPUTERS: diff almost every time
[2016-09-01 03:09] ID=2972 LianTianRong: My search engine also is a metasearch
[2016-09-01 03:10] ID=2973 LianTianRong: Uses Google, Bing, DDG...
[2016-09-01 03:10] ID=2974 LianTianRong: So yeah :p
[2016-09-01 03:10] ID=2975 RE_ID=2967 AROMACOMPUTERS: 👍
[2016-09-01 03:12] ID=2976 RE_ID=2971 AROMACOMPUTERS: but porn 'every' time
[2016-09-01 03:12] ID=2977 Cme: Aren't mt holders under the same constraints with moving mt around that mass will face with their coloredcoins tokens?
[2016-09-01 03:12] ID=2978 Cme: To a much smaller degree
[2016-09-01 03:13] ID=2979 Cme: Cme:\nAre these companies building to a mycelium plugin spec?
[2016-09-01 13:08] ID=2980 Rassah: We hope to have Mycelium Wallet support those by then
[2016-09-01 13:21] ID=2981 LianTianRong: Bank of Canada Predicts Increase of Bitcoin Value,  in Case of Wider Adoption\nhttps://cointelegraph.com/news/bank-of-canada-predicts-increase-of-bitcoin-value-in-case-of-wider-adoption
[2016-09-01 13:25] ID=2982 Rassah: In case of wider adoption? Did Bank of Canada just discover the law of supply and demand?
[2016-09-01 13:26] ID=2983 ???: I mean its Canada....
[2016-09-01 13:30] ID=2984 ???: Canada is more forward than most....
[2016-09-01 13:35] ID=2985 ???: 
[2016-09-01 13:35] ID=2986 ???: When googling canada behind in technology lol
[2016-09-01 13:37] ID=2987 LianTianRong: Is it really so? 😂
[2016-09-01 13:37] ID=2988 LianTianRong: I mean... Have you seen most European countries?
[2016-09-01 13:44] ID=2989 ???: I live here.  I buy bitcoin from ATMs in several locations.  Local university bookstores accepts bitcoin.
[2016-09-01 13:44] ID=2990 LianTianRong: Aw
[2016-09-01 13:44] ID=2991 LianTianRong: That wouldn't happen in my undisclosed European country
[2016-09-01 13:44] ID=2992 ???: canada, we like to think we're avant-garde but we're banana* republic. *cheap oil for americans
[2016-09-01 14:24] ID=2993 ???: None
[2016-09-01 14:27] ID=2994 Libertycap: None
[2016-09-01 14:30] ID=2995 Libertycap: Hi!
[2016-09-01 14:39] ID=2996 Rassah: Hello
[2016-09-01 14:39] ID=2997 RE_ID=2996 ???: Hi
[2016-09-01 14:40] ID=2998 ???: What is this group about?
[2016-09-01 14:40] ID=2999 Rassah: Mycelium Wallet
[2016-09-01 14:41] ID=3000 ???: And what does this mean?
[2016-09-01 14:41] ID=3001 Libertycap: https://telegram.me/BFU_Cryptochat
[2016-09-01 14:41] ID=3002 Rassah: If you don't know what Mycelium Wallet is, this group probably isn't for you :/
[2016-09-01 14:42] ID=3003 Libertycap: Ok, sorry
[2016-09-01 14:43] ID=3004 ???: Thanks for your answer!
[2016-09-01 14:44] ID=3005 Rassah: Thank you for the link Surhion
[2016-09-01 14:44] ID=3006 Rassah: Mycelium Wallet is an app, and this group is to provide support for that app
[2016-09-01 15:04] ID=3007 AlexBran: None
[2016-09-01 16:18] ID=3008 Andrei01: None
[2016-09-01 16:19] ID=3009 Rassah: Huh, looks like I was wrong https://twitter.com/diiorioanthony/status/771033721881362432
[2016-09-01 16:42] ID=3011 Jorj_X_McKie: DAO yes, DSH no. WTF Apple?
[2016-09-01 18:21] ID=3012 RE_ID=3009 LianTianRong: Only approved coins wtf
[2016-09-01 20:14] ID=3013 Chad: None
[2016-09-01 21:02] ID=3014 AROMACOMPUTERS: https://twitter.com/ZhouTonged/status/771437491148693509
[2016-09-02 14:56] ID=3015 painlord2k: Is there any possibility Mycelium will implement the ability to restore multiple HD wallets?
[2016-09-02 15:03] ID=3016 Rassah: You can add multiple HD wallets already
[2016-09-02 15:10] ID=3017 ???: When i lost my phone i did my restore and only my main hd wallet came back up. none of the additional wallets. luckily i didnt have but a couple cents in those at the time
[2016-09-02 15:12] ID=3018 Rassah: If you convert the other word seeds to xpub/xpriv, you can import them by adding the account and going to Advanced
[2016-09-02 15:13] ID=3019 Rassah: Oh, you can also sweep your funds or send them elsewhere by using Cold Storage in the menu. That lets you type in the word seed
[2016-09-02 15:31] ID=3021 XuTPoBaH: None
[2016-09-02 15:37] ID=3022 XuTPoBaH: Is there a chance that "manual coin selection" and "send to many addresses" features will be added?
[2016-09-02 15:41] ID=3023 Rassah: Send to many probably. Manual coin selection very unlikely
[2016-09-02 15:41] ID=3024 btcdrak: i think the first mobile wallet to add coin control will clean up
[2016-09-02 15:43] ID=3025 btcdrak: even just the ability spend coins from a certain address would be great
[2016-09-02 15:43] ID=3026 Rassah: Our goal is to eventually have CoinShuffle built in, which would shuffle your coins in the background automatically, and will automatically track which coins were mixed in which batches. So you will have an account with a single balance, made up of many shuffled coins, and the wallet will do the analysis itself to figure out how to spend your coins without mixing them or exposing your privacy
[2016-09-02 15:43] ID=3027 Rassah: Users trying to do that sort of privacy thing themselves is bound to screw them, and others they shuffled with
[2016-09-02 15:45] ID=3028 Rassah: Basically we intend to have algos checked and verified by other crypto experts that handle your money properly, instead of users trying to do their own thing
[2016-09-02 15:48] ID=3029 XuTPoBaH: Sounds reasonable, thanks Rassah
[2016-09-02 16:34] ID=3030 ShortFatUglyDumb: Am curious - what is "manual coin control"? Maybe, selecting specific inputs? Manual fee entry?
[2016-09-02 16:55] ID=3031 Gladpack: Selecting inputs, yes.
[2016-09-03 00:59] ID=3032 Cme: This is an interesting feature\nhttp://bitcoinist.net/airbitz-password-recovery/
[2016-09-03 01:40] ID=3033 RE_ID=3031 ShortFatUglyDumb: Thx.
[2016-09-03 11:11] ID=3034 nikelong: None
[2016-09-03 21:46] ID=3035 AROMACOMPUTERS: @Rassah  \nOn Gear...\nI tried to set a price of 50% off for a widget with a price of 0.05 BTC.\nWhich would be 0.025 BTC\nbut i couldnt type the 5... Too many decimal spaces!\n\nHow do i do it?
[2016-09-03 21:47] ID=3036 Rassah: I don't know :(
[2016-09-03 21:47] ID=3037 AROMACOMPUTERS: 
[2016-09-03 21:53] ID=3038 AROMACOMPUTERS: weird!  it works if i paste it in
[2016-09-03 23:37] ID=3039 AROMACOMPUTERS: 50% Off Labor Day Sale\ncryptocannabisconference.com/tickets/
[2016-09-05 15:56] ID=3040 yyuvane: Bitcoin first Coinshuffle Transaction\n\nCoinshuffle, a proposal that received a lot of attention in April 2014, has seen its first real-world use this month. What was until now an idea, has materialized in the first anonymous transaction that took place in the Bitcoin testnet. The Coinshuffle technique hides sensitive user information, which would normally be visible in the Bitcoin public ledger. Mycelium, the wallet provider has marked Coinshuffle integration as part of their development roadmap.
[2016-09-05 15:59] ID=3041 yyuvane: https://crypsys.mmci.uni-saarland.de/projects/CoinShuffle/coinshuffle.pdf
[2016-09-05 16:00] ID=3042 LianTianRong: yay <3
[2016-09-05 20:05] ID=3043 hyipdirect: None
[2016-09-06 04:11] ID=3044 mlcriado: None
[2016-09-06 10:43] ID=3045 favdesu: What's the latest developments status?
[2016-09-06 14:35] ID=3046 ???: Sell 0.3 MT = 0.27 btc
[2016-09-06 16:29] ID=3047 grassfedgoat: Is coin shuffle the application where you can put coins in and be paid a "dividend"
[2016-09-06 16:30] ID=3048 grassfedgoat: I read about that a year or so ago but forgot the name. Was looking for it yesterday actually
[2016-09-06 16:30] ID=3049 grassfedgoat: Essentially you can be paid to be a liquidity provider even if you're not using the service yourself
[2016-09-06 16:32] ID=3050 favdesu: `? coinshuffle is a way to anonymize your transaction
[2016-09-06 16:33] ID=3051 grassfedgoat: No I know that
[2016-09-06 16:34] ID=3052 grassfedgoat: There was something posted on bitcoin talk though like 1-2 years ago that was similar and the name is escaping me right now
[2016-09-06 16:36] ID=3053 grassfedgoat: It was the same basic idea but people who aren't "using" it to shuffle their coins can add coins to the pool that the tx are generated from
[2016-09-06 16:36] ID=3054 ???: Joinmarket does coin joins and tumbles bitcoin transactions. It has nothing to do with coinshuffle, but they have a yield generator script where you earn a little on every requested coin join. But the amount is so little that it barely has any significance.
[2016-09-06 16:36] ID=3055 grassfedgoat: And people who put coins in are paid part of the fees
[2016-09-06 16:37] ID=3056 grassfedgoat: Ahh join market
[2016-09-06 16:37] ID=3057 grassfedgoat: Yeah I was wondering the name
[2016-09-06 16:37] ID=3058 grassfedgoat: That's all. The coin shuffle comment reminded me
[2016-09-06 16:38] ID=3059 grassfedgoat: Thank you
[2016-09-06 16:38] ID=3060 ???: Np :)
[2016-09-06 17:02] ID=3061 RE_ID=3049 Rassah: Being a liquidity provider, such as with JoinMarket, has major privacy concerns. NSA would be the top liquidity provider in all of bitcoin. CoinShuffle just lets people anonymously meet up and shuffle all together, everyone shuffling the same amounts.
[2016-09-06 17:03] ID=3062 Rassah: You don't get dividends, but your transactions may have a lower miner fee
[2016-09-06 17:03] ID=3063 grassfedgoat: yeah, i'm not going to use the service. my initial thoughts are that any coins would be tainted that you put in anyway
[2016-09-06 17:03] ID=3064 grassfedgoat: i was just wondering because the name slipped my mind and i was trying to find it the other day
[2016-09-06 17:10] ID=3065 ???: If I knew of an alternative I wouldn't be using joinmarket. I am patiently waiting for coinshuffle to go live :)
[2016-09-06 20:52] ID=3066 AlexRuski: any one interest in buying some MT?
[2016-09-06 20:53] ID=3067 AROMACOMPUTERS: https://market.bitsquare.io/?market=mt_btc
[2016-09-06 20:54] ID=3068 AlexRuski: @AROMACOMPUTERS maybe you can help me with bitsquarre! I don't understand what MT wallet they want me to put on the settings
[2016-09-06 20:54] ID=3069 AROMACOMPUTERS: i have no idea
[2016-09-06 20:57] ID=3070 AlexRuski: payment account...
[2016-09-06 20:58] ID=3071 AROMACOMPUTERS: idk i have zero MT nor involved at all.\ni just know twhere "the market"\nis
[2016-09-06 20:59] ID=3072 AROMACOMPUTERS: My Bitcoin Maximalism doesnt allow for
[2016-09-06 21:03] ID=3073 AlexRuski: anyone here that uses Bitsquare that could help me out?
[2016-09-06 21:10] ID=3074 Gladpack: I just used my email address. I think it's for receiving only and Colu use email I guess since there's no receive button.
[2016-09-06 21:11] ID=3075 AlexRuski: but how the person will receive the MT you are holding?
[2016-09-06 21:11] ID=3076 AlexRuski: it's not the email address
[2016-09-06 21:19] ID=3077 Gladpack: Oops I was wrong. I did enter a bitcoin address. I think it doesn't matter when selling anyway but I didn't get any trade yet so I'm not sure 😉
[2016-09-06 21:20] ID=3078 Rassah: MT and Colu use bitcoin addresses
[2016-09-06 21:20] ID=3079 AlexRuski: @Rassah but that's not the private key right? so how will Bitsquare automatically send my MT to the person that is buying them?
[2016-09-06 21:23] ID=3080 Gladpack: It's not automatic, right? You have to complete the trade manually and then release the funds from escrow.
[2016-09-06 21:24] ID=3081 AlexRuski: got it... woud the address be the "Asset ID"?
[2016-09-06 21:29] ID=3082 AlexRuski: @Rassah the MT address would be the "Asset ID"?
[2016-09-06 21:31] ID=3083 favdesu: Bitsquare ist just an order book. The only real wallet is bitcoin, counter asset is secured via escrow
[2016-09-06 22:48] ID=3084 Rassah: I don't know. Sorry, I don't hold MT, or use Bitsquare
[2016-09-07 08:35] ID=3085 Anomaly: None
[2016-09-07 13:28] ID=3086 XuTPoBaH: @Rassah Is it possible to be added to mycelium as external service like Cashila and Glidera. What are the requirements for this?
[2016-09-07 14:36] ID=3087 RE_ID=3086 Rassah: For you, it would have to be something that would make our time really worth it. Eventually, when we're on the plugin API system we're now working on, you'll be able to add external services yourself without our help.
[2016-09-07 14:39] ID=3088 RE_ID=3087 XuTPoBaH: Thanks, will try to make something worthwhile
[2016-09-07 23:10] ID=3089 ???: How come Mycelium didn't give its shuffle service a name with some jujce, like MortalCoil, or Buffalo?
[2016-09-07 23:10] ID=3090 ???: *juice
[2016-09-07 23:54] ID=3091 Rassah: Cause we're all terrible nerds
[2016-09-08 02:57] ID=3092 ???: None
[2016-09-08 02:57] ID=3093 ???: Hi!
[2016-09-08 03:06] ID=3094 ???: Shurely this was said frecuently before, but, is someone/somewhere i can sell my MT? \nI will really need that money, I can accept recibing 1on1, same price i brought them.\nSee you.
[2016-09-08 03:09] ID=3095 Gladpack: You can try Bitsquare
[2016-09-08 03:10] ID=3096 ???: I set an order, but i need to stay logged, thats strange.
[2016-09-08 03:11] ID=3097 ???: And there is no volume at all
[2016-09-08 03:52] ID=3098 RE_ID=3096 ShortFatUglyDumb: It's a decentralized marketplace, so that's why u need 2 stay logged in. Trades r directly between counterparties w'o intermediaries holding ur funds, except escrow service.
[2016-09-08 04:23] ID=3099 AROMACOMPUTERS: http://marijuanamedia.com/bitcoin-solutions/
[2016-09-08 15:44] ID=3100 ShortFatUglyDumb: Robert, how is that article relevant to Mycelium?
[2016-09-08 15:47] ID=3101 RE_ID=3098 ???: How is the Exchange done? I mean, what if the order is filled while im not in the pc?
[2016-09-08 15:52] ID=3102 ???: how long before the next update?
[2016-09-08 16:06] ID=3103 RE_ID=3101 ShortFatUglyDumb: A typical case is a bank2bank xfer of fiat, directly between u and the other person. You've given them your bank details, so you can log off the software, and they can still send u the fiat. As for the MT xfer, IDK how that works.
[2016-09-08 16:11] ID=3104 ???: Does bitsquare work as an scrow?
[2016-09-08 16:13] ID=3105 favdesu: bitsquare is a decentralized order book
[2016-09-08 16:13] ID=3106 favdesu: there are escrows involved
[2016-09-09 09:18] ID=3107 ???: None
[2016-09-10 09:05] ID=3108 RE_ID=3094 sec ond: How many?
[2016-09-10 15:33] ID=3109 ???: Pm
[2016-09-10 15:55] ID=3110 Ohaimark1989: So hi......... How about getting dem MT on exchanges hu?##!
[2016-09-10 16:08] ID=3111 ???: The only exchanger is bsquare, isnt It?
[2016-09-10 17:10] ID=3112 Gladpack: Yes
[2016-09-10 20:07] ID=3113 ???: Well, today im closing a trade with *someone here*, 0.22 Mt at 0.5:1
[2016-09-10 20:07] ID=3114 ryannguyen18: how much is MT in USD now ???  thanks
[2016-09-10 20:14] ID=3115 AROMACOMPUTERS: https://market.bitsquare.io/?market=mt_btc
[2016-09-10 22:53] ID=3116 bigs21024: when will we see some returns
[2016-09-10 23:00] ID=3117 Rassah: Don't know
[2016-09-11 17:59] ID=3118 ???: Hi. Do someone know how do i inform when i transfer ownership of tokens when i sell?
[2016-09-12 17:08] ID=3119 ???: Sell 0.3 MT = 0.27 btc
[2016-09-12 18:01] ID=3120 ???: Sell 0.3 MT = 0.25 btc
[2016-09-12 18:01] ID=3121 ???: Need money for school
[2016-09-12 18:08] ID=3122 HODLBTC: None
[2016-09-12 21:07] ID=3123 ???: Im remember im selling 0.22 Mt
[2016-09-12 22:13] ID=3124 RE_ID=3118 franull: @Rassah any update on this question?\nIf someone sends MT to another colu user, the ownership of that MT will be for the new user, right?\n\nQuoted from smith and crown site:\n"The tokens represent ownership in the Mycelium wallet. They can be traded to others, though the team requests that you notify them of any changes in ownership."\nhttp://www.smithandcrown.com/event/mycelium-ico/\n\nIs it necessary to notify you/Mycelium about the ownership change or not?\n\nThanks a lot 👍🏼
[2016-09-13 00:53] ID=3126 RE_ID=3118 Rassah: You don't. No need to
[2016-09-13 00:53] ID=3127 Rassah: You can, but you don't have to
[2016-09-13 00:54] ID=3128 ???: Ok. Thanx!
[2016-09-13 00:54] ID=3129 ???: So we are having a deal
[2016-09-13 14:20] ID=3130 AlexRuski: I want to sell 0.7177MT anyone interested?
[2016-09-13 15:05] ID=3131 franull: Anyone from the colu app team in this room?\nI have one problem trying to log-in. \n\nError message while login in:\n{"message":"colu_users validation failed","name":"ValidationError","errors":{"user_company":{"message":"Path user_company is required.","name":"ValidatorError","properties":{"type":"required","message":"Path {PATH} is required.","path":"user_company","value":""},"kind":"required","path":"user_company","value":""}}}
[2016-09-13 15:11] ID=3132 Rassah: I don't think there are any Colu people here
[2016-09-13 15:11] ID=3133 ???: Whats MT everyone is selling?
[2016-09-13 15:11] ID=3134 franull: and any contact information?\nwhat a platform... i changed company name to nothing and now i can't log in
[2016-09-13 15:11] ID=3135 ???: Mycelium tokens
[2016-09-13 15:11] ID=3136 jhon_Doe: try with chrome anonimity mode
[2016-09-13 15:14] ID=3137 franull: same message... I can't even log in using their app
[2016-09-13 15:14] ID=3138 ???: 
[2016-09-13 15:14] ID=3139 RE_ID=3133 AlexRuski: Mycelium tokens.... like shares of Mycelium
[2016-09-13 15:16] ID=3140 franull: I don't understand why the "Company" field is compulsory for everyone. WTF?\nYou can change it to nothing but then you're not able to log in\n\ncongrats colu haha
[2016-09-13 15:16] ID=3141 RE_ID=3140 LianTianRong: That reminds me of websites that enforce password limits
[2016-09-13 15:17] ID=3142 LianTianRong: ... Through JS
[2016-09-13 15:17] ID=3143 LianTianRong: You can POST to their backend and it will not check, heh
[2016-09-13 21:28] ID=3144 ???: Selling 0.3 Mycelium Tokens = 0.25 btc!
[2016-09-13 21:40] ID=3145 LianTianRong: k
[2016-09-14 01:22] ID=3146 Rassah: Mycelium is hiring: https://coinality.com/jobs/android-wallet-developer/ https://coinality.com/jobs/ios-wallet-developer/
[2016-09-14 01:23] ID=3147 RE_ID=3146 Rassah: None
[2016-09-14 18:08] ID=3148 ???: My sell offer has been completed.\nWith Fran, everything went ok.
[2016-09-14 18:14] ID=3149 Rassah: Yay
[2016-09-14 18:15] ID=3150 Libertycap: In what month will add support dash?
[2016-09-14 18:51] ID=3151 Libertycap: Up
[2016-09-15 00:55] ID=3152 Rassah: We're moving forward on getting BitcoinJ to work. That's also part of getting Dash to work too. They're helping, but mostly working in parallel. Unfortunately the way Schilbach wallet does it isn't good enough. Limited to one account and not much complexity. We need multiple accounts and are planning for colored coins and built in mixing, the latter would need to track coins in your account to see which were mixed and which weren't, so we have to add quite a bit to it. I think we're going the DB route.
[2016-09-15 00:56] ID=3153 Rassah: The new UI is also progressing well. I think we'll have something ready to show internally soon. It's not just a simple reskin job, but new objects, with the whole thing being customizable. You should be able to load your own config file with your own colors and fonts like a CSS file at the least. So if you don't like the default color scheme, you can change it
[2016-09-15 00:56] ID=3154 Rassah: And the new CoinShuffle is having a UI built for the standalone Java app. It'll run on your PC before we add it to the phone.
[2016-09-15 00:57] ID=3155 Rassah: So, that's the update with what's going on right now.
[2016-09-15 01:04] ID=3156 Rahoos: Thanks!
[2016-09-15 04:07] ID=3157 Cme: Ty
[2016-09-15 04:48] ID=3158 ShortFatUglyDumb: Gracias!
[2016-09-15 09:49] ID=3159 ???: Yay for updates!
[2016-09-15 10:02] ID=3160 ???: Hey Raj. How about a separate wallet for elderly and stupid people without all the extras. buy here: connect to a place for credit cards or bank acct. then send to. etc.... just spent hours trying to show 3 people and they still dont understand it....
[2016-09-15 10:04] ID=3161 btcdrak: any eta for a release with coinshuffle?
[2016-09-15 10:05] ID=3162 ???: I think they still got a ways to go for that but hope Im wrong. Also holding dash i want to sell until this app can take it
[2016-09-15 10:15] ID=3163 Libertycap: Yes
[2016-09-15 10:15] ID=3164 RE_ID=3160 LianTianRong: Do you think stupid people shouldn't have to learn how things work?
[2016-09-15 10:15] ID=3165 LianTianRong: They are better off using hosted wallets, like Coinbase, or Coinkite, in my opinion.
[2016-09-15 10:18] ID=3166 RE_ID=3164 ???: Problem is they cant and wont even try. I have two clients. one owed 300 and one owes 2k. They dont understand the concept and too many places to go. so instead I need to go to Moneygram and deal with them. Its not a matter that they "should" have to learn how things work. But if its simple enough it can gain mainstream and more people will use it. Its for business
[2016-09-15 10:22] ID=3167 LianTianRong: Hehe, but cars are complex and people must learn to drive, in order to use them
[2016-09-15 10:22] ID=3168 LianTianRong: Otherwise they have taxis and buses which are professional drivers that know how to drive, so that you don't need to learn but can still use cars :P
[2016-09-15 10:23] ID=3169 vitobcn: 
[2016-09-15 10:29] ID=3170 RE_ID=3167 ???: yes but the goal is to get more people using in the simplest way possible. Im not going to turn away a client because he cant pay me $2,000 in bitcoin. He was willing too but could not understand it. If I say you need to learn he'll tell me to fuck off and find another web developer
[2016-09-15 10:56] ID=3171 RE_ID=3170 LianTianRong: Then you can tell him to find a hosted wallet, like Coinbase or Coinkite
[2016-09-15 10:56] ID=3172 LianTianRong: I don't see the problem
[2016-09-15 10:56] ID=3173 LianTianRong: It will be much simpler that way
[2016-09-15 10:57] ID=3174 ???: the limits are the problem. they dont want to risk funds being held up for a long time. Like coinbase was doing for alot of people. freezing accounts and such
[2016-09-15 10:57] ID=3175 LianTianRong: There are other hosted wallets that work okay
[2016-09-15 10:58] ID=3176 ???: ill check coinkite
[2016-09-15 10:58] ID=3177 ???: mabybe a better option for now
[2016-09-15 10:58] ID=3178 LianTianRong: It's almost banking in BTC I think
[2016-09-15 10:58] ID=3179 ???: Ive been blocked from WU and MG about 20 times so far. Everytime have to go argue with them and show them my info and that I work remotely
[2016-09-15 13:38] ID=3180 SJ C: can't get any simpler than the likes of hosted wallets
[2016-09-15 13:38] ID=3181 SJ C: buy, click send
[2016-09-15 15:08] ID=3182 RE_ID=3161 Rassah: We're still hoping to integrate by December, though that's hard to guess. If we hire more people soon, that should be possible. If we continue having issues finding people, it may take longer. The standalone app should be available maybe in a month?
[2016-09-15 15:09] ID=3183 btcdrak: @Rassah I was also wondering if it would be possible to add an SPV p2p option for Mycelium so you dont _have_ to use the mycelium backend servers.
[2016-09-15 15:10] ID=3184 btcdrak: like Andreas Schilbach's Bitcoin Wallet does. Since you're going to be using BitcoinJ, this functionality would be there for free.
[2016-09-15 15:14] ID=3185 RE_ID=3183 Rassah: That's already in BitcoinJ. When we get that implemented, that, and SegWit, will end up already being added by default
[2016-09-15 15:14] ID=3186 Rassah: We'll still use our backend for speed, but you'll be able to do SPV only
[2016-09-15 15:15] ID=3187 Rassah: And, actually, we're doing a different SPV thing. Bloom filters suck, and SPV by itself is absolutely terrible for privacy, since you're telling nodes which addresses are yours. With our current setup you're only telling our node which are yours. With our new setup, you'll be able to download balance changes for the day or so, and just verify changes locally against your own copy.
[2016-09-15 15:15] ID=3188 Rassah: Essentially we want to make the wallet work as a light node
[2016-09-15 15:46] ID=3189 RE_ID=3185 btcdrak: There is already a pull request by one of our guys for segwit in BitcoinJ.
[2016-09-15 15:48] ID=3190 RE_ID=3187 btcdrak: yes, fully agree, but great as a fallback and also it's still a tradeoffanyway trust Mycelium backend servers vs SPV security/privacy.
[2016-09-15 15:51] ID=3191 btcdrak: @Rassah here you go https://github.com/bitcoinj/bitcoinj/pull/1171
[2016-09-15 17:27] ID=3192 RE_ID=3160 AROMACOMPUTERS: 
[2016-09-17 22:46] ID=3193 btcdrak: https://twitter.com/BTChip/status/777269290621865985
[2016-09-20 08:40] ID=3194 AlenaSatoshi: Mycelium & TREZOR users - we have a new telegram group, feel free to join https://telegram.me/trezortalk\n\ncc @Rassah @DanielMycelium
[2016-09-22 05:54] ID=3195 ???: @Rassah got a question. Will using a wallet on Parellel Space have any issues?
[2016-09-22 07:43] ID=3196 ???: None
[2016-09-22 09:48] ID=3197 ???: https://www.rt.com/news/360205-snowden-durov-whatsapp-telegram/
[2016-09-22 09:49] ID=3198 RE_ID=3197 Libertycap: He was recruited by the russian FSB
[2016-09-22 12:49] ID=3199 SJ C: hmmm interesting article thanks
[2016-09-22 12:49] ID=3200 SJ C: what happens if i decide to be a jerk and start spamming or trolling everyone in here?
[2016-09-22 12:57] ID=3201 favdesu: We call your mom
[2016-09-22 12:57] ID=3202 LianTianRong: You're gonna get reported and banned from the chat
[2016-09-22 12:57] ID=3203 LianTianRong: Haha
[2016-09-22 12:57] ID=3204 LianTianRong: And all your messages deleted with a single tap
[2016-09-22 12:58] ID=3205 LianTianRong: Thanks Telegram
[2016-09-22 12:58] ID=3206 SJ C: i'm more scared of the first one :)
[2016-09-22 12:58] ID=3207 LianTianRong: K
[2016-09-22 13:01] ID=3208 favdesu: 😂
[2016-09-22 13:51] ID=3209 RE_ID=3195 Rassah: Don't know what that is
[2016-09-22 15:07] ID=3210 hyipdirect: i've been using get.wire.com for quite some time, its open source and work on all platforms, might be good alternative to privacy
[2016-09-22 20:30] ID=3211 AlexRuski: @Rassah any prevision on when we should receive profits over MT?
[2016-09-22 20:53] ID=3212 RE_ID=3211 Rassah: No plans for the second round of sales yet
[2016-09-22 20:55] ID=3213 AlexRuski: but you said profits wouldn't come only from a second round of sales... am I worng?
[2016-09-22 20:55] ID=3214 ???: Why I fell that it hears like pyramidal ?
[2016-09-22 20:55] ID=3215 AlexRuski: wrog*
[2016-09-22 20:55] ID=3216 AlexRuski: wrong* damm keyboard
[2016-09-22 22:26] ID=3217 RE_ID=3213 Rassah: Profits come from company sales, when those sales are higher than the costs to run the company. We're not there yet, as we're still working on the plugin system, unfortunately.\nTokens give you the right to any increase in company valuation. Those would happen if we start making profits, or if a subsequent sale of shares ends up making the company more valuable. We only sold 5% so far.
[2016-09-22 22:28] ID=3218 Rassah: So the next time company is reevaluated will probably be the next time your tokens get you an Appreciation Right gain
[2016-09-23 10:49] ID=3219 ???: How do you guys expect a fast return on an investment? Seriously i would think mycelium would be a long term investment and I see people trying to sell and trade here and then ask about when they can see profits?
[2016-09-23 11:07] ID=3220 favdesu: Sad but typical for crypto crowd
[2016-09-23 11:08] ID=3221 favdesu: They throw money at everything then start to complain
[2016-09-23 11:09] ID=3222 LianTianRong: Kek
[2016-09-23 11:13] ID=3223 ???: lol
[2016-09-23 15:02] ID=3224 Cme: Hehe
[2016-09-24 03:01] ID=3225 ShortFatUglyDumb: Yeah, I thought Mycelium was pretty clear up front that the MT crowdsale was meant 4 long term investing in the company, not short term speculation.
[2016-09-24 08:35] ID=3226 Ohaimark1989: Selling 2.75 MT for 2.75 btc if anyone interested this is only part of my mt i do believe in this company long term but need cash due to personal reason.
[2016-09-24 18:36] ID=3227 YoRo Yoro: None
[2016-09-25 03:01] ID=3228 wksantiago: Zcash support!
[2016-09-25 03:01] ID=3229 wksantiago: ?
[2016-09-25 13:21] ID=3230 Ohaimark1989: Need to sell 2.75 MT  help me out guys. Willing to hear offers..
[2016-09-25 14:45] ID=3231 ???: Selling 0.3 MT by 0.2 btc, I need some money
[2016-09-25 15:03] ID=3232 Rassah: No offers on Bitsquare?
[2016-09-25 15:05] ID=3233 ivglavas: Bitsquare is very low liquid market. Mycelium team should try to list MT on other more liquid exchanges and improve transparency of their work.
[2016-09-25 15:06] ID=3234 franull: And integrate it to mycelium wallet...\n\nColu is... well, not the best option 😁
[2016-09-25 15:06] ID=3235 ivglavas: Talk with your partners in Waves if you do not know how to do it, my opinion is that they are doing great job on transparency of their work
[2016-09-25 15:07] ID=3236 Ohaimark1989: Yes. And if anybody wants im selling up to 2.75
[2016-09-25 15:17] ID=3237 Ohaimark1989: Im sitting next to the hamalmul you might have heard of of him.\nHe wants to ask why there is still no why for him to freely trade or evaluate his Mycelium shares. Hes saying it is our money we gave you so you should have more transparency. When and why is it not on poloniex NOW?
[2016-09-25 15:18] ID=3238 favdesu: ask poloniex to add it?
[2016-09-25 15:18] ID=3239 favdesu: or do you think just because someone issued shares they're obliged to get their stuff added to polo?
[2016-09-25 15:19] ID=3240 Ohaimark1989: Ask hassah to add it why do we have to?
[2016-09-25 15:20] ID=3241 Ohaimark1989: I want to mention hamalmul is sitting here and making a lot of noise and anger
[2016-09-25 15:21] ID=3242 favdesu: you're an investor, so if you want it you better ask them
[2016-09-25 15:21] ID=3243 Ohaimark1989: I am. Right now.
[2016-09-25 15:27] ID=3244 ???: Why should mycelium offer a way to trade their own shares? They are not an exchange, you should ask exchanges why they haven't added the shares yet. Mycelium has zero obligations.
[2016-09-25 15:28] ID=3245 Ohaimark1989: Yes but they should make the effort. They got the money and are known and appriciated by bitcoin world.
[2016-09-25 15:28] ID=3246 ivglavas: Exchanges are not here for trading and speculating. Exchanges are here for transpareny improvement. If the eg. Mycelium does not care about transparency that will be visible on exchange and maybe then they will improve it. Kinda marketing but for big ones..
[2016-09-25 15:30] ID=3247 favdesu: If I was mycelium I'd add a hefty tx fee to the shares too
[2016-09-25 15:33] ID=3248 Ohaimark1989: Mycelium are the people who actually know this industry from within no? At least thats what i though. Are you all just glad you have no idea if you could ever sell you shares? Isnt that the point of investing? As appose to donaiting..?
[2016-09-25 15:50] ID=3249 RE_ID=3245 Rassah: We have been making an effort. Along with Colu. Exchanges are just worried because MTs aren't just unbacked altcoins but actual stake in a company, which may expose them to different regulation requirements.
[2016-09-25 15:58] ID=3250 Ohaimark1989: Hamalmul next to me is furius shoutnig at me "Whennn!!?" i cant believe bittrex dosnt allaow
[2016-09-25 15:58] ID=3251 Ohaimark1989: Typos..
[2016-09-25 16:36] ID=3252 Rassah: Also don't forget that if we ask for this, we're just asking the exchange for a personal business favor. If you ask for this, you're a customer asking for a service they can earn money off of. So you all asking has way more influence than us asking.
[2016-09-25 17:43] ID=3253 yasu: None
[2016-09-25 17:55] ID=3254 Ohaimark1989: Just ask man.
[2016-09-25 17:56] ID=3255 Ohaimark1989: We love you. Ask.
[2016-09-25 18:13] ID=3256 Ohaimark1989: Rassah you dont know me but im from tel aviv and friends with udi and mark from colu! Udi just told me they offerd to help you with any way they can and impliment whatever exchanges need. He says you are taking more then a week to answer them. Investers want to know what is happening thank you.
[2016-09-25 18:13] ID=3257 Rassah: Sorry, I may have missed that email.
[2016-09-25 18:14] ID=3258 Rassah: Last I remember they mentioned they wanted to reach out to some exchanges but didn't ask me for any help
[2016-09-25 18:14] ID=3259 Rassah: If I misunderstood, sorry
[2016-09-25 18:16] ID=3260 Ohaimark1989: Its all good
[2016-09-25 18:16] ID=3261 udiWertheimer: Haha, Udi from Colu here, I think “hamalmul” is screaming at Lahav too hard for his own good :D
[2016-09-25 18:16] ID=3262 Ohaimark1989: Yes
[2016-09-25 18:17] ID=3263 Ohaimark1989: He has torretts syndrom and is intimidating lol
[2016-09-25 18:17] ID=3264 udiWertheimer: @Rassah, maybe we missed each other somehow, but just to be sure, I’m available both here and on [email protected] and would love to help with everything. That includes implementing token support in the wallet, and on exchanges
[2016-09-25 18:18] ID=3265 Rassah: 👍 Thanks
[2016-09-25 18:19] ID=3266 Ohaimark1989: Vvvv👍👍👍
[2016-09-25 18:19] ID=3267 udiWertheimer: That includes anyone here who may be having problems accessing their tokens, btw. I know there were some problems in the past. We’re here to help
[2016-09-25 18:21] ID=3268 udiWertheimer: I can also say we personally tried contacting some exchanges, mostly US-based, and they were afraid about trading tokens that may be viewed as equity
[2016-09-25 20:12] ID=3269 Cme: Coloredcoins support! ❤️
[2016-09-25 20:37] ID=3270 ShawnLeary: Counterparty aware would be nice too :)
[2016-09-25 20:51] ID=3271 ShawnLeary: 
[2016-09-25 23:09] ID=3272 bigs21024: we should make btc for holding tokens
[2016-09-25 23:46] ID=3273 RE_ID=3272 ShawnLeary: its already been happening since 2014 with Counterparty and other second layer protocols :)
[2016-09-26 01:37] ID=3274 RE_ID=3272 Rassah: That's what Colu runs on. BTC
[2016-09-26 02:16] ID=3275 RE_ID=3269 ShortFatUglyDumb: I think Myc has said that's on their roadmap 4 the wallet revamp currently in development.
[2016-09-26 15:46] ID=3276 GeorgeTaylor: 
[2016-09-26 15:46] ID=3277 GeorgeTaylor: 9.259 btc for 5.0000 eur!
[2016-09-26 15:46] ID=3278 GeorgeTaylor: Pretty great deal!
[2016-09-26 15:46] ID=3279 LianTianRong: K
[2016-09-26 15:48] ID=3280 GeorgeTaylor: someone needs to check on how the app handles the . and the ,
[2016-09-26 15:49] ID=3281 GeorgeTaylor: small bug, but still 😜
[2016-09-26 16:32] ID=3282 Rassah: In EU . is the thousands separator
[2016-09-26 16:32] ID=3283 Rassah: And shy good deal is likely a scam. Never ever trade in any way other than in person with cash
[2016-09-26 17:03] ID=3284 GeorgeTaylor: yes, but then it ought to say 9,259 BTC, right?
[2016-09-26 17:05] ID=3285 GeorgeTaylor: 
[2016-09-26 17:54] ID=3286 Libertycap: 
[2016-09-26 18:23] ID=3287 Rassah: Oh. Maybe it's currency specific weirdness
[2016-09-27 01:17] ID=3288 AlexRuski: Selling 0.7177MT
[2016-09-27 07:28] ID=3289 Ohaimark1989: Selling 2.75 MT only 2.5 btc
[2016-09-27 17:54] ID=3290 RE_ID=3231 mishax1: I'll take that offer
[2016-09-27 23:40] ID=3291 bigs21024: what is new here
[2016-09-28 15:12] ID=3292 bits_of_change: Hey Rassah: Do you have definitions for what "Level 0", "Level 1", "Level 3", etc. mean with regard to xpub derivations as reported by Mycelium? For example, Mycelium considers itself and Copay xpubs to be L3 and are valid for import into Mycelium. Airbitz is considered L1 and is invalid. Electrum is considered L0 and is also invalid. Electrum can import all three types, however.\n\nI have a feeling L3 refers specifically to m/44'/0'/0', but can't confirm that.
[2016-09-28 15:44] ID=3293 DanielWeigl: the level is the "depth" in the derivation path... "m"=L0, "m/44'"=L1, "m/44/0"=L2 and so on\nwe only support BIP44 accounts and they have L3
[2016-09-28 15:45] ID=3294 DanielWeigl: other accounts might be compatible, but as we dont know what we can expect, we play it safe here to prevent lost funds
[2016-09-28 16:12] ID=3295 bits_of_change: Excellent, thanks Daniel! 👍
[2016-09-28 16:15] ID=3296 bits_of_change: I wish there was more cross-compatibility between wallets, however. Perhaps a new BIP to tighten standards. Has there been any movement in that direction that you are aware of?\n\n...and, if you don't mind one more question: What is Mycelium's gap limit and how would one fill the gap or force a scan past the limit if they suspect they are not detecting funds?
[2016-09-28 16:23] ID=3297 bits_of_change: Also, I just realized that the optional payment amount gets transferred as a URI from the Receive screen when you either copy to clipboard or share with another app. That means you can properly invoice people from Mycelium now! 😄\n\nI swear for the longest time Mycelium would only copy the address and not the amount....
[2016-09-28 17:30] ID=3298 Rassah: I think we've always had both.
[2016-09-28 17:38] ID=3299 Libertycap: Surhion:\nhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g1YDPZIMCS4
[2016-09-28 17:41] ID=3300 Libertycap: I need  this terminal
[2016-09-28 17:41] ID=3301 Libertycap: Hi
[2016-09-28 17:41] ID=3302 Libertycap: Mycelium Wallet will support DASH in the future?
[2016-09-28 20:01] ID=3303 RE_ID=3302 Kalon: Near future I hope.
[2016-09-28 20:03] ID=3304 Rassah: Yep, currently continuing to work on it
[2016-09-28 21:17] ID=3305 Jorj_X_McKie: 👌
[2016-09-30 08:21] ID=3306 ???: Hey you guys are blocking screenshots on the transaction details page
[2016-09-30 08:22] ID=3307 ???: I just got screwed out of a payment i made via bitcoin and cant screenshot the page. says isnt allowed by the app
[2016-09-30 08:25] ID=3308 Gladpack: Perhaps click the link to open the transaction on your blockchain explorer instead
[2016-09-30 08:26] ID=3309 Gladpack: That's better than a screenshot I think
[2016-09-30 08:35] ID=3310 ???: Thanks. Just did that after manually looking on the site and linking it. Pisses me off with some of these "payment processors" people are using
[2016-09-30 10:57] ID=3311 DanielWeigl: 
[2016-09-30 10:58] ID=3312 DanielWeigl: we are blocking screenshots on some activities (private key export, masterseed backup, ... everything thats privacy relevant) but not on the transaction details screen.... what error to you get if you make the screen shot?
[2016-09-30 10:58] ID=3313 DanielWeigl: does it work on other screens? other apps?
[2016-09-30 10:59] ID=3314 DanielWeigl: @ChemicalAnarchy ^
[2016-09-30 11:00] ID=3315 LianTianRong: You are not revealing much sensitive information in that regard
[2016-09-30 11:02] ID=3316 RE_ID=3314 ???: Cant take screenshot due to insufficient storage or it isnt allowed by the app. I have 5gb of space on there free.
[2016-09-30 11:03] ID=3317 DanielWeigl: other apps?
[2016-09-30 11:03] ID=3318 ???: other apps is working fine
[2016-09-30 11:03] ID=3319 DanielWeigl: what os are you running? stock android?
[2016-09-30 11:04] ID=3320 ???: I reset the phone but nothing.
[2016-09-30 11:04] ID=3321 ???: its rooted on 5.0.2
[2016-09-30 11:06] ID=3322 DanielWeigl: hm - sorry... no idea.. does it work on other screens in mycelium?
[2016-09-30 11:07] ID=3323 DanielWeigl: (btw, we dont recommend running bitcoin apps on rooted phones - the risk of losing coins that way is really big and has happened before!)
[2016-09-30 12:06] ID=3324 ???: i cleared the cache on the app and now its letting me. interesting tho cause only that app was affected
[2016-09-30 12:07] ID=3325 ???: whats the issue with rooted phones running a firewall and vpn?
[2016-09-30 12:33] ID=3326 DanielWeigl: that every app you give root permissions can read your private key. also apps with root permission could have a security problem and allow other apps to access the priv keys
[2016-09-30 13:11] ID=3327 ???: damn ok. will move it to my other device non rooted. thanks!
[2016-09-30 13:53] ID=3328 Rassah: You can also get a $15 Ledger hardware device and just keep the keys off the phone completely. Just a bit of a pain having to plug it in every time you want to send. And if you have a Samsung version 4 or above, you can install this and get hardware security right in your phone, even if you're rooted\n https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.ledger.wallet.bootstrap
[2016-09-30 15:24] ID=3329 RE_ID=3328 ???: Yeah not working on my phone unfortunately. I plan on buying another samsung this weekend anyway
[2016-09-30 15:32] ID=3330 cvennekel: See if your new phone supports ledger trustlet, \nhttps://www.ledgerwallet.com/beta/trustlet
[2016-09-30 15:33] ID=3331 Rassah: Verizon versions don't work with the trustlet for some reason btw
[2016-09-30 15:33] ID=3332 LianTianRong: >Verizon
[2016-09-30 15:39] ID=3333 RE_ID=3329 ShawnLeary: i am heading good things about the Note 7.
[2016-09-30 15:43] ID=3334 RE_ID=3333 ???: Can get one on a fire sale
[2016-09-30 15:44] ID=3335 RE_ID=3333 LianTianRong: It is definitely an explosive release
[2016-09-30 15:45] ID=3336 ShawnLeary: they keep advertising it on all of my airline flights too
[2016-09-30 15:45] ID=3337 LianTianRong: If it was a good phone it would need no advertising
[2016-09-30 15:45] ID=3338 LianTianRong: So uhm... Yeah.
[2016-09-30 15:46] ID=3339 ShawnLeary: the flight attendants literally call out that one device on every flights.
[2016-09-30 15:46] ID=3340 ShawnLeary: don't turn it on, don't charge it
[2016-09-30 15:48] ID=3341 LianTianRong: Really?
[2016-09-30 15:48] ID=3342 LianTianRong: LMAOOOOO
[2016-09-30 15:53] ID=3343 ShawnLeary: fire on a plane is no good.  no where for the smoke to go
[2016-09-30 15:53] ID=3344 ShawnLeary: not to mentioned ppl burning and stuff
[2016-09-30 15:55] ID=3345 RE_ID=3344 LianTianRong: Yeah minor side effects
[2016-09-30 16:45] ID=3346 ???: Everything I own is samsung. I'll die in a fire before I give them up ;)
[2016-09-30 16:46] ID=3347 LianTianRong: Eugh
[2016-09-30 16:46] ID=3348 LianTianRong: 
[2016-09-30 16:49] ID=3349 ???: I used to use iphones. then i broke it while travelling and got a samsung. fell in love.... i converted several other people to samsung too
[2016-09-30 16:51] ID=3350 LianTianRong: Eugh iPhones
[2016-09-30 16:51] ID=3351 LianTianRong: Bye
[2016-10-01 16:24] ID=3352 bigs21024: so anything new with the tokens
[2016-10-01 17:47] ID=3353 ???: Why Do I have only 2 daily API usage?
[2016-10-01 17:47] ID=3354 ???: How can I increase that?
[2016-10-01 17:48] ID=3355 ???: In colu
[2016-10-01 21:29] ID=3356 ShortFatUglyDumb: UI Bug: I just disabled Glidera option, so I can go directly 2 Local Trader & skip interstitial page. But now, when I hit the back-arrow up top 2 return 2 Myc Wallet, it just reloads MLT instead. (My phone's back-button works 2 return me 2 Myc Wallet, thankfully.) ..... Can any1 corroborate?
[2016-10-01 21:53] ID=3357 Godson_Mansa: What did i miss?
[2016-10-01 21:53] ID=3358 Godson_Mansa: Does this thing have a market yet ?
[2016-10-01 22:25] ID=3359 RE_ID=3358 ShortFatUglyDumb: Mycelium is already a very popular Bitcoin wallet.
[2016-10-01 22:34] ID=3360 Libertycap: Hi. Mycelium add DASH in october ?
[2016-10-01 22:37] ID=3361 RE_ID=3357 bigs21024: that is what i have been wondering
[2016-10-01 22:37] ID=3362 RE_ID=3358 bigs21024: wondering the same been holding for some time now
[2016-10-01 22:39] ID=3363 RE_ID=3360 ShortFatUglyDumb: I don't think October is their target. It's supposed 2 b part of the new wallet tho, so maybe in a couple of months.
[2016-10-01 22:49] ID=3364 Godson_Mansa: Lol so i didnt miss anything and mycelium self bought tokens are still worthless ok
[2016-10-02 00:46] ID=3365 RE_ID=3363 Rassah: Not October, but we're getting close. You'll see the change in the current wallet
[2016-10-02 02:48] ID=3366 RE_ID=3365 Kalon: 👍
[2016-10-02 07:01] ID=3367 RE_ID=3365 ???: Whens the next update going to hit?
[2016-10-02 07:46] ID=3368 Ohaimark1989: Maybe a bug, mycelium has been showing a different excange rate for bitcoin avarage for the last few weeks and now it just isnt showing it al all.\n\nPlus any news on exchanges listing MT allready??
[2016-10-02 07:54] ID=3369 btcdrak: when is the Nano S version going to be deployed to Mainnet?
[2016-10-02 08:18] ID=3370 Libertycap: Mycelium Bitcoin Wallet v2.8.2: No server connection.
[2016-10-02 08:19] ID=3371 Libertycap: 
[2016-10-02 08:27] ID=3372 AROMACOMPUTERS: mine is synched
[2016-10-02 08:47] ID=3373 RE_ID=3368 ShortFatUglyDumb: Oh wow, I thought it was just me and my quirky phone. I switched Myc to show another exchange (BitPay) and the exchange rate reappeared now.
[2016-10-02 09:55] ID=3374 Ohaimark1989: I want to sell 2.75 MT for only 2.25 BTC you get 0.5 btc worth free. Help me out guys
[2016-10-02 09:58] ID=3375 RE_ID=3370 btcdrak: This is why it needs an SPV mode as a backup.
[2016-10-02 09:58] ID=3376 btcdrak: Still in accessible for me @Rassah @jankojan
[2016-10-02 10:01] ID=3377 csinosan1: None
[2016-10-02 13:30] ID=3378 RE_ID=3368 Rassah: Bitcoinaverage is changing their backend and API. Transition issues.
[2016-10-02 13:31] ID=3379 RE_ID=3370 Rassah: Working fine here. One of our nodes is synching. Maybe yours accidentally connected to it. Back out of the app and try again. It should select a different one.
[2016-10-02 13:32] ID=3380 Rassah: Dash and our dev is working on BitcoinJ with SPV implementation, and have been for a while, so hopefully that will be done and implemented soon.
[2016-10-02 13:45] ID=3381 btcdrak: when will the Nano S version be pushed to mainnet? Testnet version was updated last week. i tested it and works well
[2016-10-02 13:56] ID=3382 Rassah: Hopefully this week.
[2016-10-02 14:14] ID=3383 btcdrak: superb
[2016-10-02 15:10] ID=3384 Ohaimark1989: So if im trying to sell MT on any platform availibal.. And no one wants it even at discount.. This basically means mycelium shares have no value and everyone here is going to or has already lost money. Gottcha. Btw.. Waiting too long to get on exchanges will eventually kill all investors faith in this. You think youll be able to crowdfund again? Too bad.. You have good software going there....
[2016-10-02 15:13] ID=3385 RE_ID=3384 Rassah: You think it's entirely up to us to put these up on exchanges? Have you emailed any exchanges to ask them to add MT or Colu tokens?
[2016-10-02 15:14] ID=3386 Ohaimark1989: Yes. Even went all the way to sighn up to ccex for voting it in
[2016-10-02 15:16] ID=3387 Ohaimark1989: I think it is in everyones interst to get a valid price discovery mechanism and not just gess biding in chats
[2016-10-02 15:19] ID=3388 Ohaimark1989: I actually only use your wallet and trust it alone. Ive recommended it for years to everyone i know. This is why i invested in you but you said on reddit it will be traidable and that gives more confidance to potential inverstors who mught need an out even at a loss. Thats the whole point of tokenizig stuff in my opinion.
[2016-10-02 15:25] ID=3389 Emoji_Nakamoto: bruh if you're that concerned with scams just stick to bitcoin
[2016-10-02 15:26] ID=3390 RE_ID=3364 Godson_Mansa: Lol i told y'all
[2016-10-02 15:26] ID=3391 Emoji_Nakamoto: the risk associated with putting money on an exchange is small compared to investing in the crypto equivalent of penny stocks and trash bonds
[2016-10-02 15:27] ID=3392 Ohaimark1989: Never did i say this was a scam. I just think the team is not taking the tradability srsly enough
[2016-10-02 15:27] ID=3393 Godson_Mansa: 4kbtc and no exchange cos this shit is a self bought scam
[2016-10-02 15:28] ID=3394 Godson_Mansa: Where are all the people that bought it?
[2016-10-02 15:28] ID=3395 Godson_Mansa: I'M saying its a scam
[2016-10-02 15:30] ID=3396 Emoji_Nakamoto: and people say crypto isn't a bubble
[2016-10-02 15:31] ID=3397 Godson_Mansa: All tech is a bubble rn
[2016-10-02 15:32] ID=3398 Emoji_Nakamoto: true in the context of say, the heat death of the universe
[2016-10-02 15:32] ID=3399 Emoji_Nakamoto: there are plenty of tech sectors taht aren't bubbles
[2016-10-02 15:34] ID=3400 Emoji_Nakamoto: granted innovative gaming peripherals, IoT, and altcoins are prominent, glaring examples of bubbles
[2016-10-02 15:41] ID=3401 Ohaimark1989: Messege from Hamalmul who isnt here: "i have 5.5 mt..tell them.." and then he goes on with threats and curse words..
[2016-10-02 15:43] ID=3402 favdesu: don't invest in high risk projects. sounds like that guy has some mental issues
[2016-10-02 15:44] ID=3403 Ohaimark1989: He does. Maby your advice should be the other way around.
[2016-10-02 15:45] ID=3404 Ohaimark1989: Maybe?
[2016-10-02 15:46] ID=3405 Godson_Mansa: Who's this guy and is he talking from?
[2016-10-02 15:46] ID=3406 Godson_Mansa: Where is*
[2016-10-02 15:47] ID=3407 Ohaimark1989: From my bitcoin community he doesnt speak english
[2016-10-02 15:52] ID=3408 Ohaimark1989: We want our shares tradable now!
[2016-10-02 15:54] ID=3409 teamnearandl: Stop distracting the team from their mission to get the new wallet up.  Mycelium was ment to be a long term investment.
[2016-10-02 15:54] ID=3410 teamnearandl: Go lobby poloniex to get it up
[2016-10-02 15:55] ID=3411 Ohaimark1989: I am.. As we speek.. I think i should have rassahs and the teams help.
[2016-10-02 16:03] ID=3413 Godson_Mansa: Are you afraid of price discovery that'll revalue this overly expensive shit ?
[2016-10-02 16:05] ID=3414 Ohaimark1989: Look at that i found a buyer Vv sold 2.75 mt for 2.25 btc. I have more dont think im all out.
[2016-10-02 16:08] ID=3415 mishax1: Does ccex has other colored coins assets ? Do they know how to handle them already?
[2016-10-02 16:39] ID=3416 Godson_Mansa: I dont think any exchanges handle colored coins
[2016-10-02 16:42] ID=3417 Ohaimark1989: Ofcourse they do.. Amp for example (is a scam) is a cc token
[2016-10-02 16:50] ID=3418 Godson_Mansa: I dont know if amp is a scam though
[2016-10-02 16:50] ID=3419 RE_ID=3386 Rassah: Sorry, I'm really frustrated by this too. As I mentioned, one if the problems we're having us that exchanges believe our tokens have actual value as shares of a company, instead of the worthless play things that most altcoins are, and exchanges are worried that this might put them into a different regulatory environment with risks from SEC. It's why decentralized exchanges have been the only ones we've had any success with.
[2016-10-02 16:51] ID=3421 Godson_Mansa: The complaince fee for shares on trex is 8btc
[2016-10-02 16:51] ID=3422 Godson_Mansa: I'm you can pay foe it with the 4kbtc you collected
[2016-10-02 16:51] ID=3423 Godson_Mansa: I'm sure *
[2016-10-02 16:52] ID=3424 Rassah: Compliance or "compliance?"
[2016-10-02 16:53] ID=3425 Godson_Mansa: Proper compliance
[2016-10-02 16:53] ID=3426 Godson_Mansa: Trex has a bit licence and everything
[2016-10-02 16:53] ID=3427 Rassah: Link to trex?
[2016-10-02 16:54] ID=3430 RE_ID=3419 Ohaimark1989: Bittrex.com even the waves scam got on there
[2016-10-02 16:55] ID=3431 Ohaimark1989: Without even having nodes
[2016-10-02 16:55] ID=3432 Rassah: I don't think Waves is a scam.
[2016-10-02 16:56] ID=3433 RE_ID=3428 Rassah: No, I don't know what trex is. I know what Bittrex is
[2016-10-02 16:57] ID=3437 Ohaimark1989: Im not against you rassah .. Well happy new year .. Later V
[2016-10-02 16:58] ID=3438 Rassah: Last two weeks we've been pushing to hire new people too, so... I'll look into Bittrex this week
[2016-10-02 17:03] ID=3439 RE_ID=3417 mishax1: AMP ? Synereo? (Is an Omni asstet).
[2016-10-02 17:11] ID=3440 Godson_Mansa: None
[2016-10-02 17:17] ID=3442 favdesu: crypto monkey spotted
[2016-10-02 17:35] ID=3443 Godson_Mansa: Hi there
[2016-10-02 17:35] ID=3444 Godson_Mansa: Have you ever heard of Bittrex.com
[2016-10-02 17:36] ID=3445 Godson_Mansa: They have a compliance fee of 8btc
[2016-10-02 17:36] ID=3446 Godson_Mansa: If you could please try to list there i think we have a chance
[2016-10-02 17:37] ID=3447 Godson_Mansa: But the price discovery will be brutal though cos a fucking wallet isnt worth 60 million dollars
[2016-10-02 17:39] ID=3448 RE_ID=3447 Rassah: Volume has so far been too low for any price discovery
[2016-10-02 17:41] ID=3449 Godson_Mansa: Volume ? Where ?
[2016-10-02 17:42] ID=3450 Godson_Mansa: Can i dump by tokens already or have the market been dumped to shit already?
[2016-10-02 17:43] ID=3451 Godson_Mansa: Seriously where is the exchange where this volume is recorded
[2016-10-02 17:51] ID=3452 Rassah: You can dump them here if you like https://market.bitsquare.io/?market=mt_btc
[2016-10-02 17:51] ID=3453 Rassah: Sorry, I can't answer right away. I'm busy
[2016-10-02 19:07] ID=3454 Cme: Not really what traders want, but just requested that cryptocompare add Mycelium Token to their mix, and they responded in a few hours and let me know they have MT on their site.
[2016-10-02 19:07] ID=3455 Cme: https://www.cryptocompare.com/coins/mt/overview
[2016-10-02 20:12] ID=3456 Godson_Mansa: Just looked at the bitsquare market, hilarious.
[2016-10-02 20:12] ID=3457 Godson_Mansa: 5000btc and 0 buy support.
[2016-10-02 20:12] ID=3458 Godson_Mansa: Somebody punch me.
[2016-10-02 21:14] ID=3459 RE_ID=3458 LianTianRong: *punches*
[2016-10-02 21:30] ID=3460 Rassah: Like I said, there's not much volume in MT yet
[2016-10-02 22:24] ID=3461 Godson_Mansa: https://twitter.com/AltcoinNotify/status/782705980073271300
[2016-10-02 22:24] ID=3462 Godson_Mansa: Ico finished today
[2016-10-02 22:24] ID=3463 Godson_Mansa: Already on trex
[2016-10-02 22:55] ID=3464 Rassah: The hell is singular?
[2016-10-02 22:58] ID=3465 BitKralj: https://singulardtv.com/
[2016-10-02 22:58] ID=3466 BitKralj: they raised 7.5 mio $ in 15min today
[2016-10-02 23:23] ID=3473 RE_ID=3465 AROMACOMPUTERS: i have no idea how this will work.  Vod barely works as a centralized solution
[2016-10-02 23:24] ID=3474 AROMACOMPUTERS: its been pumped by R3cev for a while
[2016-10-02 23:30] ID=3475 AROMACOMPUTERS: 4 things I don't see them solving.\n1.  Upload bottleneck.  I picture dialup speeds.\n2.  Prioritizy ports & colo cooperation with ISP's.\n3.  Replication storage needs.\n4.  Studio Content.  I picture zero cooperation, since they own the current Vod's.
[2016-10-03 11:08] ID=3477 Libertycap: @Rassah , why in the Mycelium after transfer Bitcoin, increasing the amount in the account twice?
[2016-10-03 11:09] ID=3478 Libertycap: And then the money will be returned
[2016-10-03 14:18] ID=3480 RE_ID=3477 Rassah: Is this iOS or Android?
[2016-10-03 14:18] ID=3481 Libertycap: Android
[2016-10-03 14:22] ID=3482 Libertycap: This does not always happen of course
[2016-10-03 14:23] ID=3483 DanielWeigl: @Libertycap can you explain what you mean by "increasing the amount in the account twice" or send us some screenshots to [email protected]
[2016-10-03 17:41] ID=3484 ???: blockchain extremely slow for others today too?
[2016-10-03 17:47] ID=3485 RE_ID=3484 painlord2k: full blocks as usual.\nand more time passes worse it will become
[2016-10-03 17:47] ID=3486 painlord2k: until someone will fork the Core off.
[2016-10-03 17:49] ID=3487 ???: its crazy. i have to wait around to pay bills and things
[2016-10-03 17:50] ID=3488 Gladpack: I use eth to btc on bitwa.la to pay my bills. Much faster 😆
[2016-10-03 18:11] ID=3489 Anomaly: How does that work, @Gladpack ?
[2016-10-03 19:35] ID=3490 Gladpack: Bitwa.la takes altcoins through Shapeshift and pays bills by SEPA. The transaction is accepted when the eth transfer is confirmed by Shapeshift. In about 15 seconds instead of 10-60 minutes like Bitcoin 😎
[2016-10-03 20:22] ID=3491 AlexRuski: Selling 0.7177MT
[2016-10-04 14:46] ID=3492 ???: None
[2016-10-04 18:02] ID=3493 KJ: None
[2016-10-04 18:03] ID=3494 KJ: just reading thru this chat is really not what I expected at all
[2016-10-04 18:03] ID=3495 KJ: Who would have thought an MT is worse less than when we bought it and nothing happened yet.. I guess no news is bad news in the market in this case
[2016-10-04 18:04] ID=3496 KJ: We have had no updates from mycelium, over a million dollars raised. Where else would something like this happen. A fairy tale land?
[2016-10-04 18:04] ID=3497 KJ: Waiting for the large September update came and went. Waiting for anything to restore our faith ...
[2016-10-04 18:05] ID=3498 KJ: I'm really hoping we werent all duped on this one
[2016-10-04 18:29] ID=3499 Rassah: What update?
[2016-10-04 18:32] ID=3500 Rassah: I mean new app, or just information from the company?
[2016-10-04 18:37] ID=3501 KJ: Both
[2016-10-04 18:37] ID=3502 KJ: Wasn't a large update for the app supposed to be pushed in September. Do we have an idea when this will be ?
[2016-10-04 18:39] ID=3503 Rassah: We released a few updates, but they were for small bug fixes and support for a new Ledger. We didn't say anything about a big update in September, so I don't know where that rumor came from.
[2016-10-04 18:40] ID=3504 KJ: Any idea when the next phase of the app will be ?
[2016-10-04 18:42] ID=3505 Rassah: Our lead dev has been working on a critical back end issue, where the nodes needed to be optimized to handle the increasing number of transactions.  Without that change our network would have crawled to a stop by the end of August. That's fixed now. Our lead Android dev has been working with Dash to switch the backend library to BitcoinJ and add support for SPV, so we don't have server down issues. That will hopefully be ready within a month.
[2016-10-04 18:43] ID=3506 Rassah: Our lead iOS dev has been working on the UI implementation. I think that's getting close to being implemented too.
[2016-10-04 18:44] ID=3507 Rassah: Our interns have mainly been working on finalizing CoinShuffle. Specifically creating a UI interface for it so people can actually use it. That unfortunately took a bit of time from them helping us out with the main wallet.
[2016-10-04 18:45] ID=3508 Rassah: We just finally found and hired another Android dev. Need at least one more though. Not sure what we will put the new guy on, since we just got him all set up this morning.
[2016-10-04 18:47] ID=3509 Cme: thanks for the update!
[2016-10-04 18:48] ID=3510 Rassah: Unfortunately development is always slower than everyone wants. We're quite aware of how late we are on everything :(
[2016-10-04 18:59] ID=3511 Gladpack: SPV is good news. And it'll raise Myceliums privacy rating for OBPP 😀
[2016-10-04 19:00] ID=3512 Rassah: SPV is less private though. It's you're connecting to us, and have to trust that we aren't tracking your addresses, vs you're connecting to us and 8 other random strangers, and hoping none of them are NSA.\nOf course the most private is SVP with it limited to connecting to your own private node at home.
[2016-10-04 19:00] ID=3513 ???: Tell your interns some random guy on telegram said they rock. Still eagerly waiting for coinshuffle :)
[2016-10-04 19:06] ID=3514 cvennekel: 
[2016-10-04 19:24] ID=3515 Rassah: That's one of them interns right there
[2016-10-04 19:32] ID=3516 Cme: ❤️
[2016-10-04 19:56] ID=3517 ???: Cool :) great job! Coinshuffle will do a lot of good for bitcoin.
[2016-10-04 19:57] ID=3518 SJ C: is coinshuffle going to make money for mycelium? if so, how?
[2016-10-04 19:58] ID=3519 ???: I can see people start to use mycelium or use it more often just because of coinshuffle.
[2016-10-04 19:59] ID=3520 ???: So it will definitely be good news for the company? I don't know just speculation tbh
[2016-10-04 20:00] ID=3521 ???: People will be less inclined to look at alt coins for privacy (Monero, zcash) and possible use coinshuffle instead.
[2016-10-04 20:21] ID=3522 Rassah: There's a way to make money, but I think that creates issues. The goal is to just have it be available in all wallets for all bitcoin users to use. Maybe even automatically in the background
[2016-10-04 20:38] ID=3523 Cme: Mycelium will solve all the bitcoin problems!
[2016-10-04 20:38] ID=3524 Cme: eventually
[2016-10-04 20:45] ID=3525 RE_ID=3512 AROMACOMPUTERS: hoping none of them are NSA.\n😭😭😭😂😂😂
[2016-10-04 23:06] ID=3526 Godson_Mansa: People will use less alts that already implement coin shuffle and use bitcoin for security cos you know its not like theres a completely anon alt coming soon or anything
[2016-10-04 23:07] ID=3527 Godson_Mansa: This chat is hilarious
[2016-10-04 23:08] ID=3528 Godson_Mansa: Yeah!!! Coinshuffle, the epitome in anon technology
[2016-10-04 23:08] ID=3529 Godson_Mansa: Its not like bitcoin coinshuffle already exists
[2016-10-04 23:08] ID=3530 RE_ID=3526 Rassah: Are you talking about the anon alt where the creators have no way to prove that they deleted the key that allows them to create an unlimited supply of it without anyone knowing?
[2016-10-04 23:09] ID=3531 Godson_Mansa: Its not like there are already algos to unshuffle coins
[2016-10-04 23:09] ID=3532 RE_ID=3530 AROMACOMPUTERS: 😭
[2016-10-04 23:09] ID=3533 RE_ID=3529 Rassah: It does not.
[2016-10-04 23:09] ID=3534 Rassah: Well, not before ours
[2016-10-04 23:09] ID=3535 RE_ID=3531 Rassah: Not for shuffled coins.
[2016-10-04 23:10] ID=3536 Godson_Mansa: 60 million dollar valuation to shuffle coins, I'm impressed.
[2016-10-04 23:11] ID=3537 RE_ID=3536 Rassah: No, that was just a side project by one of our devs
[2016-10-04 23:11] ID=3538 Rassah: You're welcome
[2016-10-04 23:15] ID=3539 Rassah: If you are the only one without a name tag in a room full of people wearing name tags, you're not anonymous. Good luck with your obvious anon coins in a sea of public people. We'll be here making bitcoin itself, and everyone who uses it, anonymous by default without the users even knowing. That's the goal anyway.
[2016-10-04 23:16] ID=3540 AROMACOMPUTERS: well not "anonymous"  but "annonomized more" maybe.
[2016-10-04 23:17] ID=3541 AROMACOMPUTERS: people use shuffles and like them... if im not mistaken thats what blockchaininfo has too "The Annonomizer".  which takes forever
[2016-10-04 23:18] ID=3542 AROMACOMPUTERS: will this be an "option" to toggle on and off?
[2016-10-04 23:19] ID=3543 Rassah: At first it will be something you have to specifically use. Eventually it'll be on by default
[2016-10-04 23:20] ID=3544 Rassah: Basically if you don't know how to use bitcoin besides Send and Receive, we want to have you use it automatically
[2016-10-04 23:21] ID=3545 AROMACOMPUTERS: right, but what if I didnt want to, id like to make sure ts toggled off
[2016-10-04 23:21] ID=3546 AROMACOMPUTERS: maybe bury setting way deep and hard to find
[2016-10-04 23:21] ID=3547 Rassah: Don't know. Maybe. It may eventually become default in bitcoin overall though
[2016-10-04 23:44] ID=3548 btcdrak: Great, the Nano S support has been released on mainnet, thanks!
[2016-10-04 23:55] ID=3549 Rassah: 👍
[2016-10-04 23:55] ID=3550 Rassah: Thank @DanielMycelium
[2016-10-05 04:32] ID=3551 AlexRuski: Selling 0.7177MT, if interested let me know
[2016-10-05 10:50] ID=3552 RE_ID=3526 ???: Bitcoin users will be less inclined to use alts if they can just use coinshuffle. That shouldn't be hard to understand, no? There's still plenty of space for alts, but Bitcoin users would not have to go and seek them out just for sake of anonymity.
[2016-10-05 13:36] ID=3553 RE_ID=3552 Godson_Mansa: Do you understand that coinshuffle is to anonymity what ask jeeves is to search engines ?
[2016-10-05 14:31] ID=3554 Rassah: Do you understand that bitcoin is to alt coins what Ithaca Hours is to USD?
[2016-10-05 18:05] ID=3555 ???: any way to have cashila do a spend max feature on a wallet?
[2016-10-05 21:00] ID=3556 DanielWeigl: https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/561hpk/support_for_nano_s_has_been_added_on_mycelium/
[2016-10-06 10:35] ID=3557 btcdrak: such goodness :)
[2016-10-06 15:38] ID=3558 Chad: Hi all!
[2016-10-06 15:41] ID=3559 Jakicho: None
[2016-10-06 15:42] ID=3560 Jakicho: Hey there, I wonder if the position for an android developer for the mycelium wallet is still available ?
[2016-10-06 16:04] ID=3561 Rassah: One more yes
[2016-10-07 12:31] ID=3562 AlenaSatoshi: Hey @Rassah there are some questions regarding mycelium gear + trezor on our telegram.me/trezortalk group\nmaybe you can help answering?
[2016-10-07 19:25] ID=3563 ???: Hey guys fyi. Mycelium gear is shit. I know I've complained about the service from support  before but this is crazy
[2016-10-07 19:26] ID=3564 ???: 
[2016-10-07 19:26] ID=3565 AROMACOMPUTERS: whats wrong
[2016-10-07 19:27] ID=3566 ???: Nothing goes thru
[2016-10-07 19:27] ID=3567 ???: Thats the problem
[2016-10-07 19:27] ID=3568 AROMACOMPUTERS: it times out after X minuts, i think 20
[2016-10-07 19:27] ID=3569 AROMACOMPUTERS: mines working fine
[2016-10-07 19:27] ID=3570 ???: Wasnt even 20 min
[2016-10-07 19:27] ID=3571 AROMACOMPUTERS: some say cancel, if they click no and go back
[2016-10-07 19:28] ID=3572 ???: Support before in there couldnt answer a simple url question correctly and now i get this to deal with
[2016-10-07 19:28] ID=3573 ???: Im just deleting this from my site
[2016-10-07 19:28] ID=3574 AROMACOMPUTERS: mine works fine
[2016-10-07 19:29] ID=3575 AROMACOMPUTERS: lots of things to configure, lots of little options.  TONS of rtfm
[2016-10-07 19:29] ID=3576 ???: Yeah i went thru it all before
[2016-10-07 19:30] ID=3577 AROMACOMPUTERS: how many times
[2016-10-07 19:30] ID=3578 ???: Dont have time to deal with it any longer
[2016-10-07 19:30] ID=3579 AROMACOMPUTERS: just saying, it works
[2016-10-07 19:30] ID=3580 AROMACOMPUTERS: i tried alot of opther options, they all sucked ass
[2016-10-07 19:31] ID=3581 ???: Few months back. Ill use a different gateway for now. Seriously support sucks. Guy seemed to not know english well
[2016-10-07 19:31] ID=3582 AROMACOMPUTERS: or i couldnt even get an api key from them
[2016-10-07 19:31] ID=3583 AROMACOMPUTERS: 1 after the other i hated all of the other options i ttried
[2016-10-07 19:34] ID=3584 AROMACOMPUTERS: also, if you think that someone DID pay you to the address gear told them too.  reagrdless of what the status on gear, it WILL still be at the address.
[2016-10-07 19:34] ID=3585 AROMACOMPUTERS: gear just stops burning resources checking it after X time
[2016-10-07 19:34] ID=3586 ???: It should go to my wallets and not a single show it
[2016-10-07 19:34] ID=3587 AROMACOMPUTERS: then nobody paid you
[2016-10-07 19:35] ID=3588 AROMACOMPUTERS: i have a few orders that saw expired but were there
[2016-10-07 19:35] ID=3589 ???: Not the first person
[2016-10-07 19:35] ID=3590 ???: All different people. All same result
[2016-10-07 19:36] ID=3591 AROMACOMPUTERS: do it yourself, set a price of 1 bucks and give to yourself
[2016-10-07 19:36] ID=3592 AROMACOMPUTERS: if theres no payment, thats cause theres no paymenty
[2016-10-07 19:36] ID=3593 AROMACOMPUTERS: that part has nothuing to do with any software, just the human at the KB
[2016-10-07 19:37] ID=3594 AROMACOMPUTERS: the human chose not to pay
[2016-10-07 19:41] ID=3595 ???: On my site the orders show they went thru. On gear they dont. Everyone of these  submits tickets asking about status. I have to manually send them an address after.
[2016-10-07 19:46] ID=3596 AROMACOMPUTERS: try it yourself
[2016-10-07 19:47] ID=3597 AROMACOMPUTERS: if you cant do your own transaction, its not setup right
[2016-10-07 19:47] ID=3598 AROMACOMPUTERS: fyi it took me 1 day to rtfm and set it up
[2016-10-07 19:48] ID=3599 AROMACOMPUTERS: Gear to me is 1 product I will stand by, that it does work
[2016-10-07 19:48] ID=3600 AROMACOMPUTERS: but its not the simplest thing on earth
[2016-10-07 19:48] ID=3601 ???: It'll be awhile before i have time to even get back to it now. I have too many projects on a deadline and shitty programmers to manage
[2016-10-07 19:49] ID=3602 Rassah: I forwarded your messages to our product manager who hopefully will forward on to Gear
[2016-10-07 19:49] ID=3603 Rassah: Wallet team has nothing to do with Gear. We don't even know who is maintaining it
[2016-10-07 19:49] ID=3604 ???: Ah ok
[2016-10-07 19:49] ID=3605 AROMACOMPUTERS: its a github project right
[2016-10-07 19:50] ID=3606 Rassah: I think so. Free too
[2016-10-07 19:50] ID=3607 AROMACOMPUTERS: the github manual seems to have more info
[2016-10-07 19:51] ID=3608 ???: I may hire someone to do somethings with it soon then. One you guys add dash and mixing to the wallet lol
[2016-10-08 06:55] ID=3609 AlexRuski: Selling 0.7177MT, if interested let me know
[2016-10-09 04:28] ID=3610 Transisto: None
[2016-10-11 03:22] ID=3611 ryannguyen18: Mass Network:\nMass Network on Monday announced it has entered into a definitive agreement under which Alexander Kuzmin, CEO of Mycelium, will acquire Mass Network in an all-cash transaction valued at $1.1 million. Alexander Kuzmin will also become the CEO of Mass. Mass Network and its development team will retain its distinct process, culture, and goals. The transaction is expected to close this calendar year.\n\nhttps://blog.mass.network/mycelium-ceo-acquires-mass-network/
[2016-10-11 03:24] ID=3612 KJ: Nice
[2016-10-11 03:25] ID=3613 KJ: If only our tokens were more liquid lol
[2016-10-11 03:28] ID=3614 AROMACOMPUTERS: whats MASS network
[2016-10-11 03:47] ID=3615 ryannguyen18: https://ico.mass.network/#/
[2016-10-11 04:13] ID=3616 Chad: I have tokens,  and have faith in the process,  I have no tokens to sell.
[2016-10-11 04:41] ID=3617 Transisto: If we have MYC token will we get mass coins ? I don't get it.
[2016-10-11 05:07] ID=3618 favdesu: Sounds like this was planned...
[2016-10-11 05:56] ID=3619 Transisto: Where is the mycelium blog post ???
[2016-10-11 05:56] ID=3620 Transisto: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1598276.0
[2016-10-11 07:34] ID=3621 alan_btc: None
[2016-10-11 10:04] ID=3622 ???: anyone reccomend a way to track who owns original address? Anyone seen a post somewhere about transaction going to wrong wallet?
[2016-10-11 11:25] ID=3623 favdesu: Mycelium CEO Acquires Mass Network for 1.1M$ - Mass Network\nhttps://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/56x83w/mycelium_ceo_acquires_mass_network_for_11m_mass/
[2016-10-11 12:33] ID=3624 Ohaimark1989: So mycelium is using crowdsale money for developing a wallet in order to fung totally unrelated stuff?
[2016-10-11 12:42] ID=3625 favdesu: That's the question
[2016-10-11 12:46] ID=3626 ???: I dont think thats a bad move
[2016-10-11 12:48] ID=3627 Ohaimark1989: Why not? You do realize that MT are wallet department shares only..?
[2016-10-11 12:53] ID=3628 RE_ID=3627 ???: Actually no i didnt.. yeah so that does create an issue
[2016-10-11 12:56] ID=3629 SJ C: NO, we bought stock appreciation rights in the total company, whic means if this aquisition makes money, then the value of your SAR's should increase, theoretically
[2016-10-11 12:57] ID=3630 ???: this site is based on wordpress? lmao
[2016-10-11 12:57] ID=3631 RE_ID=3629 Ohaimark1989: You are wrong. Wallet dep only.
[2016-10-11 12:58] ID=3632 SJ C: yeah sure, whatever you say
[2016-10-11 12:58] ID=3633 The_Tokenator: How does the purchase of Mass effet MT holders?
[2016-10-11 12:58] ID=3634 The_Tokenator: were some funds from the MT crowdsale used in the purchase of Mass?
[2016-10-11 12:59] ID=3635 SJ C: so who else didn't read the crowdsale docs?
[2016-10-11 12:59] ID=3636 SJ C: i see 3 so far
[2016-10-11 12:59] ID=3637 ???: 
[2016-10-11 12:59] ID=3638 ???: i mean legitimate companies are rarely wp based lol
[2016-10-11 13:00] ID=3639 ???: even using the framework a basic web developer would hide that
[2016-10-11 13:00] ID=3640 ???: thats my opinion tho. I have alot against cheap ass built sites. wordpress screams scam to me......
[2016-10-11 13:01] ID=3641 SJ C: oh jeez
[2016-10-11 13:01] ID=3642 ???: someone didnt have the money or knowledge to make a real site
[2016-10-11 13:04] ID=3643 Ohaimark1989: I believe Mycelium are going to have a riot on their hands.
[2016-10-11 13:08] ID=3644 ???: lol I just laugh at people that invest in tech companies that cant build a real site. its not hard.... and if you rely on wordpress free shit then I mean come on. If they couldnt have invested more money into a real site what does that say about thier end product? Couldnt even hide its based on wordpress and generic theme..... Ive never seen a real "sucessful" company build a site based on wordpress. I do hope people benefit from it and its not a throw away program designed to steal money from investors. for that a free wordpress site seems plausible.
[2016-10-11 13:59] ID=3646 RE_ID=3624 Rassah: Doubt it. Mycelium CEO has plenty of his own money. In any case I certainly hope not.
[2016-10-11 14:01] ID=3647 RE_ID=3629 Rassah: The SARs are for the wallet subsidiary, not the whole company. Though the rest of the company doesn't really have anything viable yet except Gear and Wallet.
[2016-10-11 14:02] ID=3648 RE_ID=3633 Rassah: Mass requires a Colu colored coin infrastructure. Mycelium Wallet will be providing it. So Mass will run on the Mycelium Wallet.
[2016-10-11 14:08] ID=3650 Rassah: I don't know who built the Mass website. As far as I know, Mycelium was only agreeing to provide Colu support before this.
[2016-10-11 16:52] ID=3651 KJ: Man, this is just so terrible
[2016-10-11 16:52] ID=3652 KJ: Sketchy behaviours from mycelium
[2016-10-11 16:52] ID=3653 KJ: That's the general consensus across all forums
[2016-10-11 16:53] ID=3654 KJ: Raise over a million bucks, and we hear no updates.. then we hear news like this which, conveniently has nothing to do with our tokens or sars. I signed up for it do I cant complain, but you guys could be doing better
[2016-10-11 16:54] ID=3655 KJ: Mycleium is dreaming of they think they are going to raise alot (if any at all) in the second round of funding
[2016-10-11 16:54] ID=3656 KJ: If they think *
[2016-10-11 16:55] ID=3657 KJ: And if they don't, guess what, our tokens are effective rendered useless by the actions of mycelium
[2016-10-11 16:58] ID=3658 KJ: Mycelium should really start considering turning our sar tokens for stake in the entire company, not just the wallet component. This just screams we are screwing the investors over..  it doesn't sit well , at least with the people I've spoken with
[2016-10-11 17:01] ID=3659 RE_ID=3652 Rassah: What's the sketchy behavior? Sorry if you missed the updates. We need a better website so I can put them in a more public easy to find place instead of just posting them to Reddit or here.
[2016-10-11 17:05] ID=3660 RE_ID=3638 btcdrak: Actually, you are not only wrong, you are wrong in a very big way 😋
[2016-10-11 17:10] ID=3661 btcdrak: Very notable websites use wordpress like including Techcrunch.com, sonymusic.com, blog.us.playstation.com, qz.com,  product.espn.com, social.ford.com, and fortune.com
[2016-10-11 17:13] ID=3662 btcdrak: It get's worse, Wordpress accounts for about 26% of _all_ websites on the internet https://w3techs.com/
[2016-10-11 18:33] ID=3663 RE_ID=3660 ???: You do know most don't use the standalone website for the whole site right? And dont use themes.... they use the bare bones and design over it only for blogging
[2016-10-11 18:38] ID=3664 ???: 
[2016-10-11 18:44] ID=3665 ???: The reason so many websites use wordpress is becuase any idiot can buy a theme and make a site look semi decent on there. Yes alot of wordpress sites are out there but it doesnt make them good lol. It means they were desgined usually without security in mind and by people with little knowledge or just plain lazy. The good wordpress sites are usually built from the bare bones cms and take more into consideration. you can place the url in a site and never know it was wordpress. most large sites are not worried about a subdomain too.
[2016-10-11 18:45] ID=3666 Rassah: Good thing all the security is in the blockchain layer instead of web sites
[2016-10-11 18:48] ID=3667 RE_ID=3666 ???: lol yep
[2016-10-11 19:53] ID=3668 btcdrak: ChemA you are shifting the argument. You said reputable companies dont use Wordpress, I showed they do (security is othogonal)
[2016-10-11 19:54] ID=3669 btcdrak: obv Wordpress is a huge hacker target because it's so common (and badly designed and coded).
[2016-10-12 13:36] ID=3670 AlexRuski: In a big facebook group I'm in:
[2016-10-12 13:37] ID=3671 AlexRuski: 
[2016-10-12 13:44] ID=3672 RE_ID=3647 SJ C: You had once said that the other aspects of the business, including gear and swish were to be integrated at some point in the future to the wallet project. Is this no longer the case? Also, does that mean the Mass network aquisition will not benefit the wallet project whatsoever? If not, would like to know if Mycelium ICO funds were used in the transaction. Is there not supposed to be transparency of the ICO funds?
[2016-10-12 13:48] ID=3673 AlexRuski: @Rassah if so many people are complaining in general about this ICo that's because something isn't right/well done! Don't you agree? Otherwise it would be much less complains!
[2016-10-12 14:41] ID=3674 Rahoos: If I remember right, the SARs represent 5% of the company valuation. Obviously they have more money than what they raised in the crowdsale.\n\nAn inexpensive website is one aspect of a Minimum Viable Product (Google it), just a great way to get a www presence without investing a lot - a good sign of great management, or a scam. If you assume Mass Network is a scam, you're assuming Kuzmin is a fool, since he just bought it. He's the millionaire entrepreneur, and what are your credentials?\n\nNowhere outside of cryptocurrency would you see the kind of hand wringing and cries of "scam!" that's so constant on this channel. An investor in Autodesk, for example, cheers when they acquire another Cayce or Instructables. So what if Mass Network needs a better website, better dev team, better whatever, that just means Mycelium acquired it in the early stages while it was still a great deal. That means Kuzmin is doing his job well.
[2016-10-12 14:46] ID=3675 Rahoos: And integration of other Mycelium projects (Gear, Swish, etc) into the wallet doesn't equate to us token holders owning a percentage of each of those pieces, it just means the wallet will use them. When they get Dash integrated into the wallet we won't all suddenly get Dash coins. If Shapeshift is integrated we won't suddenly own Shapeshift tokens.
[2016-10-12 14:50] ID=3676 Cme: Can't wait for weak hands to fold!
[2016-10-12 14:51] ID=3677 RE_ID=3676 AlexRuski: How?! lol
[2016-10-12 14:51] ID=3678 Cme: By just walking away from the table lol
[2016-10-12 15:13] ID=3679 SJ C: I forget, how is it us tokens holders are going to make profits?
[2016-10-12 15:13] ID=3680 SJ C: who on the mycelium team actually owns the tokens? anyone know? I know Rassah doesn't
[2016-10-12 15:15] ID=3681 RE_ID=3678 AlexRuski: almost impossible... you know why!
[2016-10-12 15:16] ID=3682 RE_ID=3678 AlexRuski: wanna by mine?
[2016-10-12 15:16] ID=3683 AlexRuski: buy*
[2016-10-12 15:16] ID=3684 SJ C: yes make an offer
[2016-10-12 15:16] ID=3685 SJ C: Cme
[2016-10-12 15:17] ID=3686 AlexRuski: 0.7177MT for 0.62 BTC
[2016-10-12 15:19] ID=3687 SJ C: was saying, let Cme  make an offer since he is so bullish
[2016-10-12 15:20] ID=3688 SJ C: well east we can do is wait for the actual product to be released
[2016-10-12 15:21] ID=3689 RE_ID=3687 AlexRuski: is that english? sorry didn't understand a thing you wrote!
[2016-10-12 15:22] ID=3690 RE_ID=3689 SJ C: dont care what you understand
[2016-10-12 15:39] ID=3691 Cme: Lol, I'm in mass.network. jumped in when i found out mycelium CEO was on the board
[2016-10-12 15:39] ID=3692 Cme: Love them coloeredcoins
[2016-10-12 15:47] ID=3693 RE_ID=3672 Rassah: No, you're right, that's still the plan to integrate things into the wallet. For Mass Mycelium Wallet plans to provide the colored coin infrastructure.
[2016-10-12 15:50] ID=3694 RE_ID=3680 Rassah: I don't think anyone does. None of the devs do, I don't, I don't think the managers do. Just one of the Colu devs has a small amount for testing which will be destroyed once Colu support is implemented
[2016-10-12 15:50] ID=3695 SJ C: ok thanks for the info
[2016-10-12 15:54] ID=3696 Rassah: As for what the money is being spent on, we're still coding away, having Skype meetings every morning to go over what has been done and to coordinate or report any issues. It has just been going really slow unfortunately. We're hoping to get BitcoinJ support finished within the next few weeks. Unfortunately the dev tasked with Colu implementation keeps getting pulled by the CEO into other tasks, such as adding support for other exchanges. Others are working on BitcoinJ, UI, CoinShuffle, and backend optimizations.
[2016-10-12 15:55] ID=3697 Cme: Busy beavers making the world a better place to do business!
[2016-10-12 15:56] ID=3698 KJ: Do.you guys think the next round of funding will be successful given the way things are going ?
[2016-10-12 15:57] ID=3699 RE_ID=3696 AlexRuski: so the company is very disorganized! Great to hear that!
[2016-10-12 15:57] ID=3700 RE_ID=3698 Rassah: Don't know. We may postpone it until we actually have nice things to show so it has a better chance of being successful
[2016-10-12 15:57] ID=3701 RE_ID=3699 Rassah: What do you mean?
[2016-10-12 15:57] ID=3702 Cme: 👍
[2016-10-12 15:58] ID=3703 RE_ID=3701 AlexRuski: Do you even ask?! come on.... all the things you said so far show exactly what I said... the company organization is really really bad!
[2016-10-12 15:59] ID=3704 Rassah: What have I said that implies organization is bad? Just one dev is being asked to do other priorities.
[2016-10-12 16:00] ID=3705 SJ C: @Rassah Thanks for the responses, also is there an updated timeline for wallet project?
[2016-10-12 16:00] ID=3706 Rassah: I think the timeline is still the same
[2016-10-12 16:00] ID=3707 SJ C: may I have the link again?
[2016-10-12 16:00] ID=3708 RE_ID=3706 AlexRuski: where can I check the timeline?
[2016-10-12 16:01] ID=3709 CryptoBNS: Is there any official channel, where the CEO is available for Q&A? FB and Twitter are pretty quite...
[2016-10-12 16:02] ID=3710 Rassah: https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/4xeer1/mycelium_wallet_update_and_road_map/
[2016-10-12 16:02] ID=3711 CryptoBNS: I mean good to have you Rassah, but as you mentioned yourself. your topics are more tech and product related, right?
[2016-10-12 16:03] ID=3712 Rassah: Phase 2 is the one that's being delayed by the dev being pulled off to other projects.
[2016-10-12 16:04] ID=3713 Rassah: Phase 1 is done, Phase 3 is about half way done. The hardware part is done with released of support for the new Ledger wallet
[2016-10-12 16:04] ID=3714 CryptoBNS: And it would actually prevent the scam talk craziness going on quickly after people start their own interpretations on most topics
[2016-10-12 16:05] ID=3715 RE_ID=3709 Rassah: I don't think so. It's hard for us to contact him. We just have email, and generally don't hear from him, as he's not involved with the wallet at all.
[2016-10-12 16:06] ID=3716 CryptoBNS: I see, but who is managing the project as well as the funds and all related topics?
[2016-10-12 16:08] ID=3717 Rassah: I am
[2016-10-12 16:09] ID=3718 Rassah: I'm managing the project, CEO is holding the funds and pays us salaries and other business expenses from them.
[2016-10-12 16:22] ID=3719 ???: I'll buy investment into a Rassah Wallet if one went public   😏
[2016-10-12 18:17] ID=3723 AROMACOMPUTERS: http://thehackernews.com/2016/10/blockchain-bitcoin-website.html
[2016-10-12 18:18] ID=3724 ???: 
[2016-10-12 18:18] ID=3725 ???: Really? its up for me..
[2016-10-12 18:18] ID=3726 AROMACOMPUTERS: their dns was compromised\nthis does mean someone "could" in theory still be able to post a fake website???
[2016-10-12 18:19] ID=3727 ???: If true then yes
[2016-10-12 18:19] ID=3728 ???: But not https certs?
[2016-10-12 18:19] ID=3729 AROMACOMPUTERS: Official Statement From BlockChain:\n"Earlier today, we discovered our DNS registrar had been compromised. We took immediate action to resolve the issue. To be abundantly cautious, we’re waiting for the DNS to propagate universally across the web before bringing our services back. Once DNS has propagated, we expect to restore services ASAP. Our sincerest apologies for any inconvenience."
[2016-10-12 19:42] ID=3730 Rassah: Minor issue, thankfully
[2016-10-12 22:54] ID=3810 Rassah: I'm still sending bitcoins to a friend in Kiev to help her out. She's using a different exchange
[2016-10-12 22:54] ID=3812 ???: if she issues privat bank you can send money online in 20 mins with bitcoin
[2016-10-12 22:54] ID=3814 ???: http://bitcoin-obmen.com/
[2016-10-12 22:55] ID=3815 ???: i pay my bills with this. i use bitcoin to put money on my friends accounts and they pay my bills when Im gone
[2016-10-12 22:55] ID=3816 Rassah: She's using https://utbs.ws/r/bitcoinua
[2016-10-12 22:56] ID=3817 ???: havent seen that one yet. ill save it in case i need it
[2016-10-12 23:38] ID=3818 Rassah: https://blog.mass.network/greetings-from-mass-ceo-alexander-kuzmin/
[2016-10-13 00:27] ID=3819 RE_ID=3710 DoubleYouSee23: Can we get this pinned?
[2016-10-13 00:27] ID=3820 RE_ID=3710 Rassah: None
[2016-10-13 00:28] ID=3821 DoubleYouSee23: 
[2016-10-13 02:54] ID=3822 Cme: Thanks for the mass update
[2016-10-13 02:55] ID=3823 Cme: Sooooooooo excited!
[2016-10-13 11:31] ID=3824 Stompy: Lol after the post at facebook u start to move cool cool
[2016-10-13 11:31] ID=3825 Stompy: Wanted zd
[2016-10-13 15:34] ID=3826 SJ C: I see a whole lot of crap coins listed on bittrex, i would imagine it would be a easy for mycelium tokens to get listed there?
[2016-10-13 15:34] ID=3827 SJ C: not that mycelium tokens are crap
[2016-10-13 15:35] ID=3828 SJ C: coins that did 500 or less btc in crowdsales are there, so i don't see any non technical reason for them to refuse
[2016-10-13 15:46] ID=3829 Rassah: I emailed, they didn't reply. I'll try again.
[2016-10-13 15:51] ID=3830 SJ C: you did? hmmm, perhaps if we assist by getting a group request going, might help the situation
[2016-10-13 15:51] ID=3831 SJ C: 185 here
[2016-10-13 15:51] ID=3832 SJ C: members
[2016-10-13 18:35] ID=3833 favdesu: I guess no one wants to deal with colu. I bet it's a he'll to implement judging from how bad my experience is with them
[2016-10-13 18:56] ID=3834 DoubleYouSee23: As a consumer, the colu experience sucks. I can't wait for the mycelium wallet update.  Our MT will be recoverable with the same seed as btc, right?
[2016-10-13 23:41] ID=3835 Rassah: Yes
[2016-10-13 23:41] ID=3836 Rassah: Though it may be easier just to send it from Colu to the wallet
[2016-10-13 23:51] ID=3837 DoubleYouSee23: Oh yea, that's what I meant anyway. Ty.
[2016-10-14 03:53] ID=3838 😸inaboat: I thought Bittrex had some "compliance" stuff for coins to be added, no?
[2016-10-14 03:55] ID=3839 😸inaboat: If its purely a token, then its fine. But if its a company asset, an equity that pays divideneds, then thats difficult.
[2016-10-14 14:46] ID=3850 Godson_Mansa: No you decided to use a token system no exchange has ever listed
[2016-10-14 14:49] ID=3852 Rassah: That was due to our bitcoin card. We decided to use colored coins for it years ago and have been developing it with colored coin support. Colu just happened to be the farthest advanced colored coin option. So we decided since we're going to use colored coin on the card, and perhaps let users carry MT on their card as well, we might as well add Colu support to the wallet and sell the tokens as colored coins as well.
[2016-10-14 14:50] ID=3853 Rassah: Exchanges added Ethereum eventually, and that's a system no exchange has ever listed prior either.
[2016-10-14 15:00] ID=3877 Rassah: Let me get lunch and then I'll get on Bitrexx again
[2016-10-14 15:11] ID=3888 ShawnLeary: how much is MT marketcap?
[2016-10-14 15:19] ID=3891 Rassah: I forgot what the final closing btc price was at time of sale
[2016-10-14 15:21] ID=3892 Rassah: $476 maybe? * 5000 = $2,380,000 I guess
[2016-10-14 15:55] ID=3895 RE_ID=3891 SJ C: Minus 1.1 million for mass network
[2016-10-14 16:04] ID=3897 Rassah: I suspect that came from the CEOs own pocket. He's a millionaire with other businesses too
[2016-10-14 19:09] ID=3902 Rahoos: @Rassah, did you say somewhere above what Mycelium's market cap is? (I do mean Mycelium, not just MT). Mycelium is publicly traded, right? What ticker symbol on which stock exchange, do you know?
[2016-10-14 19:15] ID=3903 Rassah: Mycelium isn't publicly traded.
[2016-10-14 19:47] ID=3942 RE_ID=3903 Rahoos: Thanks. I was thinking knowing the market cap of the parent company might help people here understand what the tokens actually represent. I don't suppose you have any idea what that number is? You've said Kuzmin has money of his own. It makes perfect sense to me that the crowdsale funds played no part in the Mass Network acquisition. In fact, if I was worried about it, I'd find out whether Mass was bought by Mycelium Holding Ltd, or Mycelium SIA.
[2016-10-14 19:54] ID=3955 RE_ID=3942 Rassah: Tokens just represent 5% of Mycelium SIA. There was one or two old investors in the overall company who invested maybe a few $100k each, but I don't think there have been any after the token sale. Generally AK (the CEO) doesn't even consider investment offers unless they're over $250k. As mentioned, he has other businesses of his own, plus money from a Russian oil business (his dad used to own it and he helped run it, but I don't know if he still owns it, or if Russian politicians took it over). He put in 8 figures of his own money into Mycelium so far, mostly focusing on the card, and still has quite a bit left.
[2016-10-14 19:57] ID=3961 SJ C: is it 5% of Mycelium SIA or the wallett project? this is what's confusing
[2016-10-14 19:58] ID=3962 RE_ID=3961 Rassah: Mycelium SIA is a subsidiary of Mycelium that owns the wallet
[2016-10-14 19:59] ID=3964 SJ C: ok then, does Mycelium SIA own the gear and swish projects as well?
[2016-10-14 20:00] ID=3966 RE_ID=3964 Rassah: No, just the wallet.
[2016-10-14 20:00] ID=3967 SJ C: then which entity owns gear and swish?
[2016-10-14 20:00] ID=3969 Rassah: Mycelium Holding Ltd. owns Gear, Swish, and 95% of Mycelium SIA
[2016-10-14 20:01] ID=3971 SJ C: ok
[2016-10-14 20:06] ID=3991 RE_ID=3982 Rassah: I hope not. I put my own reputation behind this. I really hope the project succeeds, since it was my idea
[2016-10-14 20:07] ID=3994 Rassah: It's unfortunate that we have run into so many issues on the way though
[2016-10-14 20:07] ID=3995 RE_ID=3991 Godson_Mansa: Its not a bad idea, its just wayyyyy overvalued. And i dont believe investors did that
[2016-10-14 20:08] ID=4000 Rahoos: @Godson_Mansa what was the ico price?
[2016-10-14 20:08] ID=4001 RE_ID=4000 Godson_Mansa: Do you not know? Did you not invest ?
[2016-10-14 20:09] ID=4002 Rahoos: Can't remember. Do you not know? You're the one trying to sell at that price, not me.
[2016-10-14 20:10] ID=4004 RE_ID=4002 Godson_Mansa: It was sold in parity to bitcoin  1 to 1.
[2016-10-14 20:11] ID=4006 Rassah: After the sale ended, the price was locked to what bitcoin was worth in USD at the time. It's valued in USD
[2016-10-14 20:11] ID=4007 Rassah: For our accounting purposes that SARs will be paid out on
[2016-10-14 20:11] ID=4008 SJ C: yeah can't deny there is some questionable math going on
[2016-10-14 20:12] ID=4009 SJ C: need to throw that whole valuation thing out the door
[2016-10-14 20:12] ID=4010 Rahoos: Right, but valued in USD. No way is anybody going to give you 1BTC for 1MT right now - BTC had a terrific run up after the sale. I'll give you 0.5BTC for 1MT.
[2016-10-14 20:13] ID=4011 RE_ID=4006 Godson_Mansa: And you don't think thats wierd at all seeing how much btc rises in value ? Did you guys dump the btc immediately or do you still have it, are you dumping the btc for 465 or 635 ?
[2016-10-14 20:14] ID=4012 RE_ID=4010 Godson_Mansa: And you don't see why i would be mad, you're reducing the value of MT by 50%. How come you're not dumb enough to pay 1 to 1 ?
[2016-10-14 20:14] ID=4013 RE_ID=4011 Rassah: I myself at the time said that I don't think any investment is better than btc. No I don't think it's weird to lock the price in USD. We sold half of btc immediately and the rest recently
[2016-10-14 20:14] ID=4014 SJ C: well to be fair godson, it was mentioned that was how it was going to be calculated, the end of sale date's btc price would be the valuation of the token, and used as a price point for triggers
[2016-10-14 20:16] ID=4018 Rassah: We pay our business expenses and salaries pegged to USD and EUR. It would be risky to keep it all in btc. Especially after btc dropped so hard and our company was struggling
[2016-10-14 20:17] ID=4022 SJ C: you cant expect mycelium to be responsible for the rise and fall of btc price anymore than if btc went down, mycelium cant demand more USD from you
[2016-10-14 20:18] ID=4025 SJ C: maybe we'll get on bittrex, you'll have better luck
[2016-10-14 20:18] ID=4026 RE_ID=4021 Rassah: You do know you can be the market maker, right?
[2016-10-14 20:19] ID=4028 RE_ID=4025 Godson_Mansa: Maybe, but the company will lose valuation and they wont let that happen
[2016-10-14 20:25] ID=4056 RE_ID=4028 Rassah: Godson, you keep claiming we're actually actively trying to keep our coins out of the exchanges because we don't want to lose valuation. Please read the second paragraph here https://bittrex.zendesk.com/hc/en-us/articles/202583854-Submitting-a-Coin-to-Bittrex Note the text "We also cannot list currencies that would be construed as a security such as digital currencies that promise/market profits or represent shares of a company.  "
[2016-10-14 20:26] ID=4057 Godson_Mansa: Do you think i dont know bill and richie or how thwy operate
[2016-10-14 20:26] ID=4058 Rassah: Then ask them to add MT
[2016-10-14 20:29] ID=4066 Rassah: They why does it say they don't accept currencies that represent shares of a company?
[2016-10-14 20:29] ID=4067 Rassah: And what is that 8BTC being spent on?
[2016-10-14 20:29] ID=4068 RE_ID=4067 Godson_Mansa: Legal due diligence, trex is not your average shitty exchange.
[2016-10-14 20:30] ID=4069 Godson_Mansa: They have a bit licence that even polo doesn't have
[2016-10-14 20:32] ID=4080 Rassah: They ignored my previous email. I'm trying again. Since you're buddies, can you bug them to at least let us know why they can't add us?
[2016-10-14 20:33] ID=4081 RE_ID=4080 Godson_Mansa: Do you have a slack account? I'll introduce you, they get inundated by shitty emails to list shotcoins
[2016-10-14 20:36] ID=4084 Rassah: Ask them to reach out.
[2016-10-14 20:36] ID=4086 RE_ID=4084 Godson_Mansa: Yes, because they need you so badly. </sarcasm>
[2016-10-14 20:36] ID=4087 Rassah: Godson, pm me your email, I'll CC you in my email to them
[2016-10-14 20:37] ID=4088 Rassah: You're the one who needs them so badly
[2016-10-14 20:37] ID=4089 RE_ID=4088 Godson_Mansa: You are right there.
[2016-10-14 20:38] ID=4092 Rassah: Frankly we would love to be listed on any exchange, and I'm grateful for this suggestion. So any help would be appreciated
[2016-10-14 20:39] ID=4093 RE_ID=4092 Godson_Mansa: You're such a nice guy. Sorry to attack you but i dont know the ceo.
[2016-10-14 20:39] ID=4094 DoubleYouSee23: Good on you rassah/mycelium team in general, there are many of us who happily use your products, and benefit from the freedom your work is affording us. I really can't wait to hold my MT myself, as I'm not personally a fan of the Colu experience, but keep up the good work, I can't wait to see your final products
[2016-10-14 20:45] ID=4095 Rassah: Email written up. Let me know if you want me to CC you to show you I'm sending it
[2016-10-14 20:46] ID=4096 Godson_Mansa: Like i said, emails won't get you anywhere. Slack me. You represent mycelium so they might talk to you
[2016-10-14 20:46] ID=4097 Godson_Mansa: I'm not too bothered though
[2016-10-14 20:47] ID=4098 Godson_Mansa: I've made more money off a certain zero knowledge coin than most people in here will ever see.
[2016-10-14 20:47] ID=4099 Godson_Mansa: I just dont like the nonchalant attitude you guys arw tak2
[2016-10-14 20:47] ID=4100 Godson_Mansa: Taking*
[2016-10-14 20:48] ID=4101 Rassah: Isn't slack different for every domain?
[2016-10-14 20:48] ID=4102 Rassah: I'm not a fan of it :(
[2016-10-14 20:48] ID=4103 Godson_Mansa: Lol are you an irc guy ?
[2016-10-14 20:48] ID=4104 Rassah: Haven't used IRC in forever
[2016-10-14 20:49] ID=4105 Godson_Mansa: I hate slack too but most of crypto has moved on there
[2016-10-14 20:49] ID=4106 Rassah: Last was for OTC
[2016-10-14 20:49] ID=4109 Rassah: Which domain?
[2016-10-14 20:49] ID=4110 Godson_Mansa: Gimme a sec
[2016-10-14 20:50] ID=4112 Rassah: That's why I don't like slack. I'm on like 5+ different ones, and each requires me to remember a domain and have a different password
[2016-10-14 20:53] ID=4113 Godson_Mansa: Yeah i know the hustle
[2016-10-14 20:54] ID=4114 Godson_Mansa: Wanna do this over pm or here in general chat?
[2016-10-14 20:54] ID=4115 Rassah: Here is fine
[2016-10-14 20:55] ID=4116 Godson_Mansa: Sign up here http://slack.bittrex.com
[2016-10-14 20:55] ID=4117 Godson_Mansa: Tell me when you're in
[2016-10-14 21:02] ID=4118 Rassah: I'm in
[2016-10-14 21:08] ID=4119 Godson_Mansa: Cool
[2016-10-14 21:09] ID=4120 Godson_Mansa: What's your id ?
[2016-10-14 21:09] ID=4121 Rassah: rassah
[2016-10-14 21:09] ID=4122 Godson_Mansa: Ok
[2016-10-14 21:10] ID=4123 Rassah: Oh...
[2016-10-14 21:10] ID=4124 Rassah: There's already a chat in there with Bill, Riche, and Jerome, our Colu dev
[2016-10-14 21:11] ID=4125 Godson_Mansa: Did you see my pm ?
[2016-10-14 21:12] ID=4126 Rassah: Yes
[2016-10-14 21:12] ID=4127 RE_ID=4124 Godson_Mansa: Cool
[2016-10-14 21:13] ID=4128 Rassah: Fffff. Aparently Jerome has been talking with them since I think August? But I don't know if anything came out of it
[2016-10-14 21:14] ID=4129 Godson_Mansa: Ok
[2016-10-14 21:14] ID=4130 Godson_Mansa: We'll see
[2016-10-14 23:09] ID=4133 Rassah: FYI, from bittrex-bill\n7:06 PM ah ok.  i think we looked at mycelium and decided it was too close to being a security (edited)\n7:06 and that we'd wait to launch the market next month after we have location based blocking for markets
[2016-10-15 00:18] ID=4134 RE_ID=4133 Rahoos: "location based blocking" as in the ability to block users from specific transaction types in jurisdictions where the regulatory compliance burden is too high for bittrex, maybe? They already operate in the US, so that will probably mean specific states, say, New York?
[2016-10-15 03:34] ID=4135 Rassah: Continued:\nbittrex-bill - anyone who does a crowdfund has to pay a 3 btc listing fee.  outside of that, no fee. Our plan is to enter the beta and the end of the month.  so listing the token late november early december should be doable
[2016-10-15 03:34] ID=4136 RE_ID=4134 Rassah: Yes, I think so
[2016-10-15 04:18] ID=4137 Godson_Mansa: Yup
[2016-10-15 04:18] ID=4138 Godson_Mansa: That's what happens when you decide to become legal compliant
[2016-10-15 06:01] ID=4139 Rassah: So, as you saw, we have been trying, even with trex. I just forgot >.<
[2016-10-15 14:17] ID=4140 bigs21024: i just want to see some type of return from the tokens we been holding so long and nothing
[2016-10-15 15:09] ID=4141 RE_ID=4140 AROMACOMPUTERS: Even though I didnt agree with the token sale myself...  It was a long term investment, not a quick pump and dump and exit scam everyone.  At least Mycelium has a product we all use.  But they may take years to become profitable.\n\nTake a look at Amazon, a perfect example of a long term investment. \n\nhttps://static1.squarespace.com/static/50363cf324ac8e905e7df861/t/5408fa05e4b0d4cc06b03c6d/1409874438232/
[2016-10-15 15:11] ID=4142 Transisto: I have seen no result of the money they raised so far. Does mycelium support RBF, a handful of wallet do
[2016-10-15 15:14] ID=4143 Transisto: Have people been hired so far with the money
[2016-10-15 15:18] ID=4144 Transisto: @AROMACOMPUTERS i hope mycelium investment beat the price of bitcion!
[2016-10-15 15:20] ID=4145 RE_ID=4141 painlord2k: Amazon has a reinvestment policy (to keep down the net income).\nThe net worth of Amazon is always increasing (more deposits, more acquisitions, more expansion)\nThey just don't pay a lot to shareholders (and the taxman).
[2016-10-15 15:21] ID=4146 RE_ID=4144 AROMACOMPUTERS: did you buy it to dump it imediately for more.  Was your plan to pump and dump?\nThats the problem here, too many people are extremely short minded.  Not to mention expect everything to happen immediately.  Which was why I had suggested to deny sale to anyone who isnt a qualifed investor.  When you cannot afford to lose the money, you are the worst type of investor for any investment.  Commonly well known to bombard with angry questions.
[2016-10-15 15:23] ID=4147 RE_ID=4145 AROMACOMPUTERS: it also took them 15 years to make profits
[2016-10-15 15:26] ID=4148 Transisto: Mycelium need to streamline their communication with investors, so far they haven't sent any update email.  We should not be expected to dig online to find this channel then click the pined reddit post to get the update from 2 months ago.
[2016-10-15 15:27] ID=4149 AROMACOMPUTERS: normally you get Quartelry reports
[2016-10-15 15:28] ID=4150 AROMACOMPUTERS: 2 months ago !=>90 days
[2016-10-15 15:28] ID=4151 AROMACOMPUTERS: but yes, they could improve anyways
[2016-10-15 15:28] ID=4152 Transisto: Where did they write that there will be quarterly report?
[2016-10-15 15:29] ID=4153 AROMACOMPUTERS: nowhere and never
[2016-10-15 15:29] ID=4154 AROMACOMPUTERS: have you even invested before?
[2016-10-15 15:29] ID=4155 AROMACOMPUTERS: im just saying, its common practice to ONLY hear from a company quarterly
[2016-10-15 15:33] ID=4156 RE_ID=4148 AROMACOMPUTERS: how would you suggest they improve?
[2016-10-15 15:36] ID=4157 RE_ID=4142 Rassah: We added support for recognizing RBF transactions a while ago. We haven't added being able to send RBF transactions because it's a somewhat advanced feature and still low on our priority list.
[2016-10-15 15:41] ID=4158 RE_ID=4149 ???: 
[2016-10-15 15:45] ID=4159 RE_ID=4143 Rassah: Yes. We hired a new Android dev just last week, and still have interviews next week. Problem is a lot of devs are asking for six figure salaries to start, and we can't afford that/it would be irresponsible to hire someone for so much when are still a startup and didn't raise that much. I'm trying to be responsible with the money we have, so am picky.
[2016-10-15 15:48] ID=4160 RE_ID=4159 ???: Are you guys only hiring local or remote?
[2016-10-15 15:49] ID=4161 RE_ID=4144 Rassah: I don't think anything can beat bitcoin, but they are two different kinds of investments. Bitcoin is a capital gains investment: you sit on it and wait for it to grow (and not drop), and try to spend it (or cash out) when it gets high. Our tokens, over the long run, will hopefully be a cash flow investment: you just hold them and collect a % of steady income that our wallet generates. It's like investing in stock vs having rental properties.
[2016-10-15 15:50] ID=4162 RE_ID=4148 Rassah: That's what I'm here for. Can't get more streamlined than taking directly to the guy in charge of the wallet, can you?
[2016-10-15 15:50] ID=4163 Rassah: I do need to have a better place to put up announcements publicly though
[2016-10-15 15:51] ID=4164 RE_ID=4160 Rassah: Only remote. We don't have an actual office
[2016-10-15 15:51] ID=4165 favdesu: get a tumblr
[2016-10-15 15:51] ID=4166 favdesu: for ann's
[2016-10-15 15:51] ID=4167 RE_ID=4165 Rassah: I shouldn't. I'll end up posting too much stuff about furries and gender fluidity
[2016-10-15 15:52] ID=4168 Rassah: Cause that's what Tumblr is supposedly for
[2016-10-15 15:53] ID=4169 ???: Lmao tumblr
[2016-10-15 15:54] ID=4170 ???: Someone needs to photoshop Rassah in a furry costume....
[2016-10-15 15:54] ID=4171 Rassah: Please don't XD
[2016-10-15 15:54] ID=4172 Rassah: Those things freak me out
[2016-10-15 15:54] ID=4173 ???: Some strange ass people out in the world....
[2016-10-15 15:55] ID=4174 Rassah: True. But furries have actually done a lot for bitcoin too
[2016-10-15 16:05] ID=4175 RE_ID=4171 AROMACOMPUTERS: 😂
[2016-10-15 19:09] ID=4176 Godson_Mansa: Rassah is def a furry though
[2016-10-15 19:09] ID=4177 Godson_Mansa: Lol 😂
[2016-10-15 20:13] ID=4178 udiWertheimer: Hey @Rassah , Udi from Colu again. Sent you a pm, we'd love to help if we can re: bittrex
[2016-10-15 20:14] ID=4179 udiWertheimer: Guys, I'm seeing some of you have some problems with the Colu dashboard. I feel you. As a reminder, I'm here to help, feel free to contact me. Sorry if it takes me a while sometime, still trying to get used to telegram
[2016-10-15 20:14] ID=4180 udiWertheimer: (more of a slack/irc guy myself haha)
[2016-10-15 20:47] ID=4181 DoubleYouSee23: I should actually apologize for that, tge Colu interface is higher level than what I need. Your platforms lools lile its able to do alot of neat things, I'm just not currently interested in them. As just a place to store MT, Colu is too cluttered for me. But that's more me trying to make your platform fit my usecase than it is a problem with your platform.
[2016-10-15 20:47] ID=4182 DoubleYouSee23: Keep up the amazing work.
[2016-10-15 20:50] ID=4183 udiWertheimer: No need to apologize, all feedback is useful 😊 And I agree, the dashboard really wasn't built to be used as a wallet. That's why we're really excited @ Colu about Mycelium implementing support in their own wallet.\n\nBut do feel free to ask me about any issues any of you guys may have, i know there've been some growing pains since the tokens were issued
[2016-10-16 03:32] ID=4184 RE_ID=4157 ShortFatUglyDumb: I really applauded Mycelium for tackling this immediately after RBF was released by Core. Implementing RBF-detection on incoming transactions is way more important than adding RBF to an outgoing send, so it's gr8 that the former was added right away.
[2016-10-16 04:33] ID=4185 btcdrak: more than that, Mycelium also correctly flags unconfirmed parents
[2016-10-16 04:34] ID=4186 btcdrak: needs to add support for CPFP as well now
[2016-10-16 06:42] ID=4187 uporo: https://twitter.com/CoinExchangeio/status/787543029372493824?s=03 could someone contact them who actually knows what they're talking about?
[2016-10-16 08:49] ID=4188 RE_ID=4187 ???: @Rassah ?
[2016-10-16 16:02] ID=4189 Rassah: E-mailed them. Thanks
[2016-10-16 23:21] ID=4190 ???: 👍
[2016-10-17 00:27] ID=4191 GeorgeTaylor: hi
[2016-10-17 00:36] ID=4192 Rassah: Hello
[2016-10-17 00:38] ID=4193 Talon8Ya: Hello
[2016-10-17 17:20] ID=4194 btcdrak: @Rassah Seems like the Mycelium testnet servers are not caught up or something.
[2016-10-17 17:20] ID=4195 btcdrak: 0.13.1 is basically done, please can you run the 0.13 branch?
[2016-10-17 17:30] ID=4196 btcdrak: @Rassah @DanielMycelium Testnet got pretty messed up at one point with the BU/Classic fork, so unsure if your servers are running on the right chain even. It would be nice to have a menu somewhere that shows the blockheight and hash the mycelium server is synced on.
[2016-10-17 17:32] ID=4197 Rassah: I alerted the team
[2016-10-17 17:32] ID=4198 btcdrak: Thanks!
[2016-10-17 19:19] ID=4199 Rassah: Btw, regarding Mycelium CEO buying into Mass Network, that hasn't actually happened yet.
[2016-10-17 19:36] ID=4200 Giszmo: @btcdrak bitcoind reports same as test-insight.bitpay
[2016-10-17 19:38] ID=4201 Giszmo: not sure if our testnet feature will get some pick-your-flavor-feature. Could be a nice test for an ETC/ETH-kind of situation in Bitcoin :/
[2016-10-17 20:16] ID=4202 DanielWeigl: for testnet: our consens node is on v0.13 and our backend is synced at Height: 991251 Head: 0000000000001f6170a25a06ee0425986a26f082017c1bbd1323ef5a944c1476
[2016-10-17 20:17] ID=4203 DanielWeigl: but I made a testnet segwit transaction today (~8h ago) which hasnt still confirmed... has anyone any ideas why? https://testnet.smartbit.com.au/tx/8f34bb84ef2b3a36eb4cba02f492839a780a01175f2d10f3cfc6da9befe5c462
[2016-10-17 20:19] ID=4204 DanielWeigl: afaik it is for older than v0.13 nodes a non-standard, but valid transaction, and for v0.13++ it is standard and valid - or? is nobody mining with v0.13 on testnet?
[2016-10-17 23:00] ID=4205 RE_ID=4204 btcdrak: Correct. So mining has been a bit unstable on testnet. I asked a testnet miner and they said the tx wasnt into their GBT, but they added it and it mined. Maybe send a couple more txs. mining should be more stable on testnet now I hope.
[2016-10-17 23:08] ID=4206 btcdrak: I think the most likely explanation is given the small testnet, and people are running all sorts of things (lots of non segwit nodes and mining), that the segwit topology in testnet may have partitions in it and you were just unlucky
[2016-10-17 23:09] ID=4207 btcdrak: Mycelium Testnet on my phone is working fine btw.
[2016-10-18 00:07] ID=4208 Rahoos: @Rassah, will Mycelium be shipping Entropy devices again someday? Is it more than just a customized flash drive?
[2016-10-18 00:33] ID=4209 RE_ID=4208 Rassah: It's a mini computer, not a flash drive at all. And it's looking doubtful. The people who were making it have moved on to other companies, so we would have to restart the project almost from scratch, besides the technical diagrams and software.
[2016-10-18 00:33] ID=4210 Rassah: Plus we would rather focus on a few projects at a time. Especially the wallet.
[2016-10-18 03:25] ID=4211 DoubleYouSee23: Any chance of open-sourcing the entropy? So what you made doesn't just dissapear, and those of us who have one can tinker around?
[2016-10-18 03:46] ID=4212 Rassah: It is open source
[2016-10-18 03:47] ID=4213 Rassah: That's how we can show that it's not rigged to steal money
[2016-10-18 10:04] ID=4214 ???: 
[2016-10-18 10:45] ID=4215 kzhiyao: None
[2016-10-18 14:40] ID=4216 RE_ID=4212 Rahoos: Github?
[2016-10-18 14:42] ID=4217 Rassah: https://github.com/mycelium-com
[2016-10-18 14:44] ID=4218 Rahoos: https://github.com/mycelium-com/entropy - found it thanks
[2016-10-19 01:33] ID=4219 RE_ID=4217 DoubleYouSee23: Ty!
[2016-10-21 17:11] ID=4220 bengems: None
[2016-10-21 17:13] ID=4221 bengems: why is mycelium wallet address change often.  can the new wallet address still receive transactions from the previous wallet address before it was changed?
[2016-10-21 17:38] ID=4222 RE_ID=4221 btcdrak: It is not encouraged to reuse addresses as it affects both your privacy and the privacy of people you send/receive from
[2016-10-21 17:56] ID=4223 RE_ID=4222 bengems: ok. Thanks! but apart from that, whould the previous address be able to still receive fund despite it has changed to a niew one?
[2016-10-21 17:57] ID=4224 Pepy Ganea: Yes , you own all previous addresses
[2016-10-21 17:57] ID=4225 bengems: ok. Thanks i appreciate
[2016-10-21 18:05] ID=4226 RE_ID=4223 btcdrak: yes, you can still receive on a previous address. All addressess are contained in your backup seed also
[2016-10-21 18:05] ID=4227 RE_ID=4226 bengems: ok. Thanks
[2016-10-21 18:08] ID=4228 bengems: Is there a way i can pause new address generation? and does this wallet has a maximum number of new addresses to generate?...i am curious to know
[2016-10-21 18:23] ID=4229 Rassah: You can't pause new address generation. It's a really bad idea anyway. Also only the recent addresses get synchronized automatically. If you get paid to an old address and it doesn't show up, you'll have to hit the refresh button at the top yourself
[2016-10-21 18:23] ID=4230 Rassah: There is no maximum for addresses
[2016-10-21 18:41] ID=4231 SJ C: any progress with the bittex listing? or is that possibility totally dead
[2016-10-21 18:48] ID=4232 RE_ID=4229 bengems: Ok...I see
[2016-10-21 19:15] ID=4233 RE_ID=4231 Rassah: They said they have to get their state by state verification system done first, which they'll supposedly have ready in November
[2016-10-21 19:16] ID=4234 Rassah: Then they'll be ready for us
[2016-10-21 19:16] ID=4235 SJ C: 👍
[2016-10-21 19:21] ID=4236 btcdrak: BIttrex is a ghetto.
[2016-10-22 00:14] ID=4237 RE_ID=4234 Liedes: Nice
[2016-10-22 20:41] ID=4239 Cme: Where can we get a Mycelium T-shirt? They look cool!
[2016-10-22 21:03] ID=4240 Rassah: Uh... I don't know :( We moved offices a few times so I don't even know where they are
[2016-10-22 22:38] ID=4241 DoubleYouSee23: You're lookong for one of the entropy shirts?
[2016-10-23 00:36] ID=4242 Rassah: I do have those
[2016-10-23 00:40] ID=4244 Cme: I would just like to buy a mycelium wallet T-shirt, lol
[2016-10-23 00:43] ID=4245 Rassah: Yeah, don't know where those are
[2016-10-23 00:49] ID=4246 Cme: If you find out, plz share. Thanks
[2016-10-23 07:44] ID=4253 Neo Cortex: None
[2016-10-23 13:46] ID=4254 ShawnLeary: @Rassah will you support RAREPEPE at launch of the new wallet?
[2016-10-23 15:47] ID=4255 Godson_Mansa: Its been hard not trolling here since we figured out the trex issue.
[2016-10-23 16:24] ID=4258 RE_ID=4254 Rassah: No. We wanted to support Doge at launch instead...
[2016-10-23 16:25] ID=4259 ShawnLeary: Hahahaha
[2016-10-24 07:47] ID=4266 ???: None
[2016-10-25 00:58] ID=4272 Transisto: https://airbitz.co/go/crowdfunding-airbitz/
[2016-10-25 00:59] ID=4273 Transisto: Bitcoin wallet raises $5 million to increase Southeast Asian financial inclusion\n\n\n\nhttp://bravenewcoin.com/news/bitcoin-wallet-raises-5-million-to-increase-southeast-asian-financial-inclusion/
[2016-10-25 02:19] ID=4274 Rassah: Seems like everyone's doing it now
[2016-10-25 05:08] ID=4275 DoubleYouSee23: so what are everyone's must have bitcoin apps? Other than mycelium of course.
[2016-10-25 05:10] ID=4276 Liedes: coinigy
[2016-10-25 05:20] ID=4277 DoubleYouSee23: Whoa, no permissions? Not sure I can trust testing it...
[2016-10-25 05:21] ID=4278 DoubleYouSee23: Oh lol , I need an account tp test it out
[2016-10-25 05:25] ID=4281 DoubleYouSee23: I've been using the okcoin app to look at charts, I don't trade there, just like the layout. Coinigy looks nicer from the screenshots
[2016-10-25 05:31] ID=4282 Liedes: I'm addicted to coinigy it's so smooth
[2016-10-25 05:48] ID=4283 bengems: Coinigy buffers their chart from tradingview
[2016-10-25 05:51] ID=4284 Liedes: actually they r faster then tradingview
[2016-10-25 07:09] ID=4285 Transisto: RBF needed, blocks are 99% full . Airbitz was doing it 3 months ago. Why not put a 10BTC bounty on that ?
[2016-10-25 07:19] ID=4286 DoubleYouSee23: Cause thems alot of bytes?
[2016-10-25 16:08] ID=4287 GB: Will I ever be able to link this wallet to my full node?
[2016-10-25 16:09] ID=4288 Rassah: Yes, soon. That's one of the reasons we're switching to BitcoinJ and spv
[2016-10-25 16:22] ID=4289 ???: @Rassah how is coinshuffle coming along? :)
[2016-10-25 17:24] ID=4290 SilverWolf8: None
[2016-10-25 17:25] ID=4291 SilverWolf8: new here - why should i get Mycelium wallet?  thanks
[2016-10-25 17:29] ID=4292 painlord2k: Because it is easy to use, full of features (and more to come), secure and light.
[2016-10-25 17:33] ID=4293 SilverWolf8: Do I need to backup my wallet every time I make a transaction or will my original backup be good enough
[2016-10-25 17:34] ID=4294 painlord2k: the original backup is good enough.\nMycelium is a HD (hierarchical deterministic) wallet
[2016-10-25 17:35] ID=4295 painlord2k: you need to backup 12 words (better if offline)
[2016-10-25 17:38] ID=4296 RE_ID=4295 SilverWolf8: Are you referring to something like a hardware wallet
[2016-10-25 17:40] ID=4297 painlord2k: are you an autonomous software?
[2016-10-25 17:42] ID=4298 SilverWolf8: No
[2016-10-25 17:42] ID=4299 SilverWolf8: Im human
[2016-10-25 17:43] ID=4300 RE_ID=4296 painlord2k: Hardware or not, a wallet is a wallet.\nIf you need to backup it, you need the same 12-18 or 24 words (depend on the wallets and its options)
[2016-10-25 17:44] ID=4301 painlord2k: The cryptographic keys are derived by the words you are backupping.
[2016-10-25 17:45] ID=4302 SilverWolf8: Bottom line the original backup is good enough even if my public he's changed
[2016-10-25 17:45] ID=4303 SilverWolf8: ?
[2016-10-25 17:48] ID=4304 RE_ID=4302 painlord2k: rewrite the sentence in a way it is understandable
[2016-10-25 17:49] ID=4305 SilverWolf8: Do I need to backup my wallet every time I make a transaction.... they currently use an app called Bitcoin wallet
[2016-10-25 17:49] ID=4306 painlord2k: No
[2016-10-25 17:50] ID=4307 Rassah: No, you only need to back it up once
[2016-10-25 17:50] ID=4308 painlord2k: You need just the 12 words of the original backup
[2016-10-25 17:50] ID=4309 SilverWolf8: Republic he changes after every transaction this is still ok?
[2016-10-25 17:50] ID=4310 Rassah: All subsequent addresses are derived from that backup
[2016-10-25 17:50] ID=4311 SilverWolf8: I think you are talking about a seed
[2016-10-25 17:50] ID=4312 Rassah: Yes
[2016-10-25 17:50] ID=4313 SilverWolf8: I don't have a seat I have a backup file with a password
[2016-10-25 17:51] ID=4314 SilverWolf8: Seed
[2016-10-25 17:51] ID=4315 painlord2k: every address used by Mycelium is derived by the initial seed
[2016-10-25 17:51] ID=4316 SilverWolf8: So the app I have might not do this and maybe I should switch to the app you guys are using
[2016-10-25 17:51] ID=4317 painlord2k: what program are you using now.\nBitcoin Core?
[2016-10-25 17:52] ID=4318 SilverWolf8: Check out "Bitcoin Wallet"\nhttps://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=de.schildbach.wallet
[2016-10-25 17:52] ID=4319 RE_ID=4316 painlord2k: Yes.\nYou should setup Mycelium, backup the seed securely, check it (Mycelium will nag you to do so).\nThen you transfer your funds to the address given by Mycelium.
[2016-10-25 17:53] ID=4320 AROMACOMPUTERS: ^^ is a txt file full of priv keys, afaik
[2016-10-25 17:53] ID=4321 AROMACOMPUTERS: Last time i used it, I was drunk and changed pin, cant remember to what.  Old backups fail to work now.
[2016-10-25 17:54] ID=4322 painlord2k: You can associate a Trezor or another hardware wallet with Mycelium (ledger IIRC) if the sum is relevant to you.
[2016-10-25 17:55] ID=4323 SilverWolf8: So mycelium is the best?
[2016-10-25 17:55] ID=4324 RE_ID=4321 painlord2k: This is what backup are for.\nANd I learned long time ago to not handle money when I'm drunk.
[2016-10-25 17:55] ID=4325 AROMACOMPUTERS: Hahhaa
[2016-10-25 17:55] ID=4326 Rassah: Hopefully you can brute force it
[2016-10-25 17:56] ID=4327 RE_ID=4326 AROMACOMPUTERS: U can, im am 99% done writing the script in a loop.\nHavent worked on it in a while
[2016-10-25 17:56] ID=4328 AROMACOMPUTERS: No limit on trying
[2016-10-25 17:56] ID=4329 RE_ID=4323 painlord2k: The best is what work better for you.\nMycelium is one of the best out there.\nI use it 95% of the time
[2016-10-25 17:56] ID=4330 RE_ID=4329 SilverWolf8: Im jusy worriwd my current app is not going to be reliable
[2016-10-25 17:57] ID=4331 AROMACOMPUTERS: Schildbach does need a new backu up after using it, afaik.
[2016-10-25 17:57] ID=4332 AROMACOMPUTERS: Anther priv key is added to the bottom of the list in a txt fil, the password decrypts it.
[2016-10-25 18:00] ID=4333 SilverWolf8: where should I store large amounts?
[2016-10-25 18:00] ID=4334 AROMACOMPUTERS: Cold
[2016-10-25 18:00] ID=4335 RE_ID=4334 SilverWolf8: Ie: trezor?
[2016-10-25 18:02] ID=4336 painlord2k: paperewallet
[2016-10-25 18:02] ID=4337 painlord2k: paper wallet
[2016-10-25 18:02] ID=4338 painlord2k: written on something durable (like dog tags)
[2016-10-25 18:03] ID=4339 AROMACOMPUTERS: Or Gold Boulion
[2016-10-25 18:03] ID=4340 AROMACOMPUTERS: 
[2016-10-25 18:04] ID=4341 SilverWolf8: Are you being serious?
[2016-10-25 18:06] ID=4342 SilverWolf8: So trezor is not good???
[2016-10-25 18:08] ID=4343 AROMACOMPUTERS: Its not bad.  Paper wallet is the safest imo.  Written on something that wont just fade while sitting in a floor safe.
[2016-10-25 18:10] ID=4344 RE_ID=4343 SilverWolf8: Written? Isnt that a security risk? Someone can just scan it no?
[2016-10-25 18:11] ID=4345 AROMACOMPUTERS: Could have a passphrase you have to remember.\nBut you do have to remember.\nSame with the hardware wallet.\nWhat if you dont remember in 10 yrs what it is.
[2016-10-25 18:11] ID=4346 SilverWolf8: So all these software apps are intended for small amounts and cold storage for savings???
[2016-10-25 18:12] ID=4347 AROMACOMPUTERS: Burying things in hidden floor safes is still a safe method imo
[2016-10-25 18:12] ID=4348 RE_ID=4346 AROMACOMPUTERS: I think of it that way.
[2016-10-25 18:13] ID=4349 AROMACOMPUTERS: Apps make it easy to accept and spend.\nCold is safer
[2016-10-25 18:13] ID=4350 RE_ID=4349 SilverWolf8: Thank you
[2016-10-25 18:19] ID=4351 Rassah: Trezor or Ledger is best
[2016-10-25 18:20] ID=4352 SilverWolf8: 
[2016-10-25 18:20] ID=4353 Rassah: On paper there's still the issue of how to spend it without exposing your private key
[2016-10-25 18:20] ID=4354 SilverWolf8: What are these features that are not checked off under mycelium?
[2016-10-25 18:20] ID=4355 Rassah: Configuration
[2016-10-25 18:21] ID=4356 Rassah: You still need to use the website to set it up
[2016-10-25 18:23] ID=4357 RE_ID=4356 SilverWolf8: Is that not a security risk?
[2016-10-25 18:24] ID=4358 Rassah: No. All the secure stuff is done on the devices
[2016-10-25 18:26] ID=4359 SilverWolf8: What does mycelium do that the Bitcoin Wallet app from GitHub doesn't
[2016-10-25 18:26] ID=4360 AROMACOMPUTERS: ^^schildbach
[2016-10-25 18:28] ID=4361 RE_ID=4360 SilverWolf8: Oh thats what its actually called?
[2016-10-25 18:31] ID=4362 RE_ID=4361 AROMACOMPUTERS: Andreas Schildbach:
[2016-10-25 18:39] ID=4363 RE_ID=4362 SilverWolf8: thanks for clarifying that
[2016-10-25 18:42] ID=4364 RE_ID=4331 SilverWolf8: i used an old back up and it worked...just wondering if I was only lucky or what?
[2016-10-25 18:43] ID=4365 AROMACOMPUTERS: Afaik it keeps a list of priv keys in an encrypted txt file.
[2016-10-25 18:43] ID=4366 AROMACOMPUTERS: So not lucky, but the key you wanted was in th list.
[2016-10-25 18:44] ID=4367 SilverWolf8: so it wont necessarily work everytime?
[2016-10-25 18:44] ID=4368 AROMACOMPUTERS: Idk for certain
[2016-10-25 18:45] ID=4369 SilverWolf8: i guess this is my question and wanting to know if i should migrate to mycelium or not - as i am already familiar with this one
[2016-10-25 18:45] ID=4370 AROMACOMPUTERS: Its not based on a seed afaik
[2016-10-25 18:45] ID=4371 SilverWolf8: that is correct, its not
[2016-10-25 18:45] ID=4372 SilverWolf8: seed is betteR?
[2016-10-25 18:45] ID=4373 SilverWolf8: not eve n sure if if i know what a seed is except for the phassphrase part
[2016-10-25 18:46] ID=4374 AROMACOMPUTERS: So each address afaik, has a new priv key, and this key is saved at the bottom of an encrypted txt file
[2016-10-25 18:46] ID=4375 AROMACOMPUTERS: Idk what is better
[2016-10-25 18:47] ID=4376 AROMACOMPUTERS: Prob personal opinion after using both
[2016-10-25 18:55] ID=4377 RE_ID=4374 SilverWolf8: i thought its only the public key that changes (address) after each transaction and they are all contained in the private key....guess i was wrong?
[2016-10-25 18:58] ID=4378 AROMACOMPUTERS: I think its a new priv key for ech new public key
[2016-10-25 18:59] ID=4379 AROMACOMPUTERS: I had a long list of priv keys in my backups, kept getting longer, til I played with my bitz while drunk :(
[2016-10-25 19:01] ID=4380 RE_ID=4379 SilverWolf8: this is what i am terrified of
[2016-10-25 19:01] ID=4381 SilverWolf8: I have a significant amount of money in my Schildbach wallet
[2016-10-25 19:01] ID=4382 SilverWolf8: its the only wallet i have
[2016-10-25 19:01] ID=4383 AROMACOMPUTERS: Maybe its just me being stupid, but every time ive done a backup on mycelium, I extracted the priv key of the currently used public.\nThe real backup, is the 12 to 18 words
[2016-10-25 19:03] ID=4384 RE_ID=4383 SilverWolf8: can you customize the 12 to 18 words or does it just generate random ones for you?
[2016-10-25 19:03] ID=4385 SilverWolf8: might be hard to remember them
[2016-10-25 19:03] ID=4386 AROMACOMPUTERS: It makes them
[2016-10-25 19:03] ID=4387 AROMACOMPUTERS: I wouldnt trust a human mind to make up 12 words, and afaik not all words count.
[2016-10-25 19:04] ID=4388 AROMACOMPUTERS: I barely trust a list of words as it is.  Sounds dictionary crackable in long term.
[2016-10-25 19:04] ID=4389 SilverWolf8: now im really confused about ho wi should be handling my money
[2016-10-25 19:16] ID=4390 RE_ID=4288 GB: Thanks!
[2016-10-25 21:01] ID=4391 Rassah: A seed works like this:\nYou have 12 random words, which are converted into a huge number.\nFrom that number you can have accounts, like A, B, C, and so on. And each account can have addresses, like first, second, third, and so on
[2016-10-25 21:03] ID=4392 Rassah: So, for your first address in the first account, the wallet makes a private key like Seed+A+1, and from that a public bitcoin address. For the second key it's +2, and on. And if you add another account, it would be Seed+B+1, Seed+B+2, and so on
[2016-10-25 21:03] ID=4393 Rassah: So from those 12 words, all your private keys are derived.
[2016-10-25 21:04] ID=4394 Rassah: When you restore your backup, it checkes if there is any history on address Seed+A+1, if there is, it checks +2, +3, and so on until it finds an empty unused address
[2016-10-25 21:04] ID=4395 Rassah: Then it checks account B, C, and so on
[2016-10-25 21:05] ID=4396 Rassah: So you don't need to back up individual addresses. They can all be derived from that seed
[2016-10-25 21:06] ID=4397 Rassah: It's actually not *exactly* like that, as you can have multiple accounts nested within other accounts (hierarchical), and also it doesn't just add +1 to get the next address.
[2016-10-25 21:08] ID=4398 Cme: If Alexander Kuzmin hasn't made a decision on Mass yet, Mass is certainly using his name loosely.\nhttp://coremedia.info/index.php/blockchain-news/item/338-mass-network-acquisition-by-mycelium-s-ceo-and-prototype-release/338-mass-network-acquisition-by-mycelium-s-ceo-and-prototype-release
[2016-10-25 21:08] ID=4399 Rassah: If it just added 1, if your private key could be determined, all your keys could be determined just by adding or subtracting 1 from it. So it actually adds a hash of a previous address to get the next address, meaning if you only find the private key, you have no way of getting the seed or the rest of the addressees
[2016-10-25 21:08] ID=4400 Rassah: He has. He was on the board of it, along with a few other companies for a while.
[2016-10-25 21:09] ID=4401 Cme: Rassah: Will you be part of the new team?
[2016-10-25 21:25] ID=4402 RE_ID=4373 AlenaSatoshi: https://blog.trezor.io/seed-pin-passphrase-e15d14a0b546#.y5mlxcs7f
[2016-10-25 21:26] ID=4403 RE_ID=4402 SilverWolf8: Tnx!
[2016-10-25 21:28] ID=4404 RE_ID=4394 AROMACOMPUTERS: What if there is no activity until +4 through +infinity\nDoes it not look if nothing at +1\n?
[2016-10-25 21:35] ID=4405 Rassah: It scans ahead 20 addresses
[2016-10-25 21:36] ID=4406 AROMACOMPUTERS: Ok so thats the threshhold to change it, if im using gear.\n19 orders started without paying, swap keys.
[2016-10-25 21:38] ID=4407 Rassah: I think Gear either has a wider threshold, or resuses old unused addresses
[2016-10-26 05:16] ID=4408 Transisto: Is there a Room for Mycelium investors ? Many posts here make the place look like customers support, or is it ?
[2016-10-26 07:54] ID=4409 ShortFatUglyDumb: Thx 4 the HD primer, Rassah. U connected a few dots 4 me that I was wondering abt.
[2016-10-26 08:37] ID=4410 RE_ID=4409 cvennekel: also see http://support.mycelium.com/hc/en-us/articles/207045475-What-does-HD-in-HD-Wallet-mean-\n\npic: http://support.mycelium.com/hc/en-us/article_attachments/203873225/HD_Wallet.jpg
[2016-10-26 13:22] ID=4411 Transisto: Rassah (Mycelium):\nWe added support for recognizing RBF transactions a while ago. We haven't added being able to send RBF transactions because it's a somewhat advanced feature and still low on our priority list.
[2016-10-26 13:25] ID=4412 Transisto: Not having transactions stuck for 14 hours isn't an advanced feature and should be near top priority.
[2016-10-26 14:16] ID=4413 rmarinello: None
[2016-10-26 14:18] ID=4414 btcdrak: btw, there's also child-pays-for-parent support now.
[2016-10-26 14:39] ID=4415 RE_ID=4411 cvennekel: If you need help with a stuck transaction I am happy to help, you can message [email protected] and I’ll assist you / walk you through
[2016-10-26 16:29] ID=4416 KJ: Hi all, if I had multiple wallets under my HD wallet (like 4 labels for example), and i restore it, does it restore the labels or just the btc contained in all of them get merged into one?
[2016-10-26 16:32] ID=4417 AROMACOMPUTERS: I dont think the labels stay
[2016-10-26 16:33] ID=4418 AROMACOMPUTERS: Thats a benefit of having a .dat file running core
[2016-10-26 17:03] ID=4419 Transisto: It doesn't stay but you could have exported all labels into a csv come
[2016-10-26 17:05] ID=4420 Transisto: Child pay for parents only work when you kept some change of the tied to the stuck transaction
[2016-10-26 18:01] ID=4421 Transisto: I know i can do CPFP but that isn't about me
[2016-10-26 18:02] ID=4422 Transisto: http://reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/59e9su/bitcoin_is_43716_unconfirmed_transactions/d9871a6
[2016-10-26 18:02] ID=4423 Transisto: Little Ledger is on it
[2016-10-26 18:34] ID=4424 painlord2k: Little question to @Rassah \nHow much work would be to support a Bitcoin fork on Mycelium?\nDistinguish the different balances and send a transaction from pre-forked coind to a branch and not another.\n\nDays, weeks, hours?
[2016-10-26 18:54] ID=4425 Rassah: What do you mean a bitcoin fork?
[2016-10-26 18:54] ID=4426 Rassah: Like actual bitcoin fork?
[2016-10-26 19:24] ID=4427 painlord2k: Yes
[2016-10-26 19:25] ID=4428 painlord2k: The Minimum Viable Fork (MVF) they are working on.
[2016-10-26 19:25] ID=4429 painlord2k: btcforks.slack.com
[2016-10-26 19:27] ID=4430 painlord2k: The developer there insit on putting a different sighash prefix\n\nExample of SIGHASH constants before the fork (this is not directly from bitcoind code, but you get the idea:\n> SIGHASH_ALL 0x00000001\n> SIGHASH_NONE 0x00000002\n> SIGHASH_SINGLE 0x00000003\n> SIGHASH_ANYONECANPAY 0x00000080\n\nOnce the fork has taken place:\n> SIGHASH_ALL 0x77700001\n> SIGHASH_NONE 0x77700002\n> SIGHASH_SINGLE 0x77700003\n> SIGHASH_ANYONECANPAY 0x77700080\n\nThe '777' modification are just example values. The entire high 3 bytes can be used, we call it the 'fork id'.
[2016-10-26 19:43] ID=4431 Rassah: It wouldn't be easy. We run a Core node, and beside it a huge database that parses it to come to with all addresses and address balances. That's how you can get your address balances instantly with our wallet. That database is hundreds of gigs in size. At the least we'd need a duplicate database
[2016-10-27 08:57] ID=4432 Transisto: If you think CPFP is a replacement for RBF ...
[2016-10-27 08:57] ID=4433 Transisto: https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/59mzfv/psa_unstucking_series_of_low_fee_transactions/
[2016-10-27 17:16] ID=4434 ???: None
[2016-10-27 22:10] ID=4435 sprks: None
[2016-10-27 22:45] ID=4436 sprks: hi I'm new to the group ,. tokens still best on colu, or is there some progress on wallet integration for these tokens?
[2016-10-27 22:45] ID=4437 sprks: I could only find an updated from 2 months ago..
[2016-10-27 22:57] ID=4438 Rassah: Still on Colu, but we got single address integration working. Just need to finish the UI part. Then we'll add HD support later
[2016-10-27 22:58] ID=4439 GB: Can I send a transaction on the app with funds originating from two separate accounts? Or do I need to do two separate transactions?
[2016-10-27 22:59] ID=4440 GB: Also, any future of holding ETH in this wallet as well?
[2016-10-27 23:21] ID=4441 RE_ID=4438 sprks: great!  many thanks Rassah  👍🏽  good luck with everything
[2016-10-28 02:02] ID=4442 RE_ID=4439 Rassah: Can't join accounts, sorry. ETH may be available in the future
[2016-10-28 06:23] ID=4443 CrytoCharly: None
[2016-10-28 11:26] ID=4444 ???: 
[2016-10-28 13:33] ID=4445 Rassah: I know that guy. He bought a Lamborghini with his bitcoins
[2016-10-28 13:39] ID=4446 RE_ID=4445 AROMACOMPUTERS: Better than a $million prius. 😂😂
[2016-10-28 13:46] ID=4447 AROMACOMPUTERS: @Rassah shouldve got 1 of these...\n\nhttp://blockchainstuff.eu/wp-content/uploads/2014/09/Main-Picture-modified22.jpg
[2016-10-28 14:25] ID=4448 Rassah: I have one, but not as cool looking
[2016-10-28 22:34] ID=4449 Rahoos: @Rassah, will there be a while new app, or are we just going to see updates to the existing app as features are added? Maybe a dumb question, but I probably just don't know enough about how to use the app if new features have already been added.
[2016-10-28 23:18] ID=4450 Rassah: I'm, both?
[2016-10-28 23:18] ID=4451 Rassah: There will be a new app with new stuff, and those things will get migrated to the old app
[2016-10-28 23:22] ID=4452 Transisto: At what point are we supposed to expect result from the money raised ? Seems like contribution to github have gone down significantly.
[2016-10-28 23:24] ID=4453 Rassah: For the old wallet, yeah. We're developing the new one on our private closed GitHub before posting it to the public one
[2016-10-28 23:24] ID=4454 Rassah: Should have the next announcement next week
[2016-10-29 17:39] ID=4455 rawavocado: hey, how are sugestion for fees calculated in mycelium?
[2016-10-29 18:07] ID=4456 Rassah: From the Core estimated fee
[2016-10-29 18:07] ID=4457 AROMACOMPUTERS: imo this estimation needs some tweeking, some hard thought, and major improvement.
[2016-10-29 18:08] ID=4458 AROMACOMPUTERS: on core's part
[2016-10-29 19:57] ID=4459 Rassah: The problem is the estimation is at that moment in time. You can't predict the future, so you don't know if in the next ten minutes the blockchain will get slammed with transactions
[2016-10-29 20:00] ID=4460 ShortFatUglyDumb: Feature request 4 the new wallet... Manual fee selection (an advanced option of course) - 4 making it easier 2 take a shot at "uber-priority" tx when needed. Thx.
[2016-10-29 20:35] ID=4461 Rassah: Lightning Network kinda puts us in limbo with that. It's a low priority feature, and LN make make it unnecessary by the time we have time to implement it
[2016-10-29 22:09] ID=4462 ShortFatUglyDumb: Ok, thx. Maybe this instead?: Basically an uber-priority option that is substantially higher than whatever the then-current priority-fee option is. I would imagine that would be ezr 2 implement? (like, = priority-fee x2 ?)
[2016-10-29 22:18] ID=4463 Rassah: I think our high priority is already like that
[2016-10-29 22:22] ID=4464 ShortFatUglyDumb: Ok, gr8. My mindset here is an option to "beat the herd" at (almost) all costs, when ya really need a tx to go through, or if there's already or an impending mempool overload/attack/etc.
[2016-10-30 05:11] ID=4465 Transisto: If you really need that don't use Mycelium
[2016-10-30 05:12] ID=4466 Transisto: or keep at least 1 satoshi worth of change so you have the possibility to do a CPFP should condition change for the worst.
[2016-10-30 10:52] ID=4467 ShortFatUglyDumb: Is it ez 2 do CPFP, in either Myc or elsewhere? I'm not skilled enuf 2 build my own transactions manually & all that.
[2016-10-30 22:13] ID=4468 btcdrak: @Rassah Weird issue with Mycelium atm. On send it's saying "The transaction was rejected by the network. This indicates that your wallet is out of sync".
[2016-10-30 23:01] ID=4469 Rassah: Try reloading the account from the drop down menu. If not, maybe one of the nodes is out of sync
[2016-10-31 09:45] ID=4470 RE_ID=4468 DanielWeigl: how did yiou make that transaction? If via a hardware wallet, it might also mean you have the wrong passphrase or wrong account. otherwise a resync should help
[2016-10-31 12:21] ID=4471 RE_ID=4470 btcdrak: ha yes, i was signing with the wrong device 😆
[2016-10-31 19:24] ID=4472 RE_ID=4468 ShortFatUglyDumb: I got that error once earlier this year. Some combo of reloading, restarting, and waiting, fixed it.
[2016-10-31 21:05] ID=4473 RE_ID=4333 justlanz: Easy-btc.org vault for larger amounts
[2016-10-31 21:20] ID=4474 RE_ID=4333 btcdrak: Cold in a Trezor or Ledger Nano S
[2016-10-31 22:15] ID=4475 RE_ID=4474 SilverWolf8: Yes i ordered one on thursday and it arrived today :)
[2016-10-31 23:05] ID=4476 btcdrak: congrats. much safer now.
[2016-10-31 23:07] ID=4477 SilverWolf8: thanks,  I think its worth it
[2016-11-01 19:05] ID=4478 AlexRuski: Anyone interested in buying some MT?
[2016-11-01 23:42] ID=4479 SilverWolf8: ok ive setup my Trezor device...now how do I transfer bitcoins from my  phone to it? or do I have to send them like a regular transaction???
[2016-11-02 00:19] ID=4480 RE_ID=4479 DoubleYouSee23: send like a regular transaction. And you can link trezor to mycelium itself if you didn't know that already.
[2016-11-02 00:20] ID=4481 SilverWolf8: yes, but its not turning on when i plug it inmy phone :(
[2016-11-02 00:33] ID=4482 DoubleYouSee23: if the screen isn't turning on then the cable is either backwards or its the wrong cable.
[2016-11-02 00:51] ID=4483 SilverWolf8: its a USBmicro to USB-C cable
[2016-11-02 00:52] ID=4484 SilverWolf8: 
[2016-11-02 00:52] ID=4485 DoubleYouSee23: I saw your other post,  someone already explained its the model phone you are using
[2016-11-02 00:52] ID=4486 SilverWolf8: I will exchange it for a USBmicro to USBmicro cable then and use an adaptor?
[2016-11-02 00:53] ID=4487 SilverWolf8: in my other post the told me to serach forums
[2016-11-02 00:54] ID=4488 SilverWolf8: the phone supports OTG - from what I was told there I am assuming i need USBmicro to USBmicro with a USBC adaptor....does that make sense? or do i need an actualy OTG cable?
[2016-11-02 01:07] ID=4489 Kalon: Zcash just added to Jaxx.
[2016-11-02 01:08] ID=4490 wksantiago: 
[2016-11-02 01:08] ID=4491 Kalon: Sure would be nice to see such things in my favorite wallet. (Wink wink)
[2016-11-02 01:35] ID=4492 Rassah: Why, you want to lose your money faster?
[2016-11-02 01:36] ID=4493 Vanusekal: None
[2016-11-02 01:36] ID=4494 Rassah: I don't know why anyone would buy or hold zcash at this point
[2016-11-02 01:39] ID=4495 RE_ID=4488 DoubleYouSee23: You need an actual otg cable. I had the same issue. Thought my htc didn't support otg forever. Then I got the right cable
[2016-11-02 01:40] ID=4496 Rassah: But for altcoin support, we basically want to make sure we do things right, not fast. Jaxx really worries me
[2016-11-02 01:41] ID=4497 RE_ID=4495 SilverWolf8: 
[2016-11-02 01:41] ID=4498 SilverWolf8: i guess this is what confused me and made me buy the micro to USB-C cable
[2016-11-02 01:42] ID=4499 RE_ID=4497 Rassah: That's an actual OTG cable though
[2016-11-02 01:43] ID=4500 SilverWolf8: so it can look the same but not be the same?
[2016-11-02 01:50] ID=4501 RE_ID=4492 AROMACOMPUTERS: 😂😂
[2016-11-02 02:02] ID=4502 RE_ID=4494 df: I was going to mine Zcash on the day it was released. But I wasn't lucky. :P I only have about 0.00002
[2016-11-02 02:03] ID=4503 RE_ID=4500 Rassah: Yeah, one may have just power, and not data
[2016-11-02 02:03] ID=4504 RE_ID=4503 SilverWolf8: thank you for confirming this for me
[2016-11-02 02:26] ID=4505 RE_ID=4494 Kalon: Fair point. I don't actually have any zcash, and probably won't any time real soon. I did install Jaxx due to it's support for Dash though.
[2016-11-02 06:55] ID=4506 marekhenry: None
[2016-11-02 13:54] ID=4507 SJ C: Just asking but, what's wrong with zcash that you wouldn't want to hold it? (minus holding it for speculation purposes)
[2016-11-02 14:25] ID=4508 SilverWolf8: where do you guys buy your bitcoins?
[2016-11-02 15:26] ID=4509 wksantiago: Gemini
[2016-11-02 15:36] ID=4510 RE_ID=4509 SilverWolf8: do i need to provide them with my ID card or passport?
[2016-11-02 15:41] ID=4511 wksantiago: They go thru AML/KYC
[2016-11-02 16:14] ID=4512 RE_ID=4508 justlanz: Circle
[2016-11-02 16:16] ID=4513 RE_ID=4511 SilverWolf8: What is that?
[2016-11-02 16:16] ID=4514 RE_ID=4512 SilverWolf8: Do they require ID?
[2016-11-02 16:18] ID=4515 justlanz: Circle.com
[2016-11-02 16:18] ID=4516 justlanz: Yeah I think they require some id
[2016-11-02 16:19] ID=4517 justlanz: Can't remember. I did it a long time ago. If you don't want to use ID then you can try localbitcoins website and meet someone in a very public area or even inside a bank to piggyback off their security
[2016-11-02 16:20] ID=4518 wksantiago: AML anti money laundering and KYC Know your customer
[2016-11-02 16:52] ID=4519 RE_ID=4507 Rassah: I think it's extremely overpriced right now, so if you buy now, you'll lose money
[2016-11-02 18:01] ID=4520 RE_ID=4510 ShortFatUglyDumb: What country r u in?
[2016-11-02 18:14] ID=4521 RE_ID=4520 SilverWolf8: Canada
[2016-11-02 18:16] ID=4522 RE_ID=4515 SilverWolf8: This requires government issued ID card to be uploaded - no thanks
[2016-11-02 18:20] ID=4523 DoubleYouSee23: All exchanges I know of require id. try mycelium local trader. Or sell something on open bazaar
[2016-11-02 18:22] ID=4524 SilverWolf8: requiring ID defeats the anonymous feature of bitcoin in the first place :(
[2016-11-02 18:22] ID=4525 SilverWolf8: I think i will stick to BITSQUARE - no ID required - i will definitely try local trader and open bazaar too, thanks
[2016-11-02 18:24] ID=4526 RE_ID=4524 DoubleYouSee23: it does suck :( it's to protect the exchange from being implicit in money laundering though.
[2016-11-02 18:25] ID=4527 DoubleYouSee23: And how's bitsquare so far?
[2016-11-02 18:25] ID=4528 SilverWolf8: BITSSQUARE IS AMAZING!
[2016-11-02 18:25] ID=4529 SilverWolf8: aside from one small downside - not many people on it yet
[2016-11-02 18:25] ID=4530 SilverWolf8: only the person you are trading with gets to know your email address - there is an escrow, and its completely decentralized..the escrows are other users themselves, with ratings---i love it
[2016-11-02 18:26] ID=4531 SilverWolf8: I would love to promote it because its the best thing out there so far it seems - but then i get criticized on telegram chats for being a  "Shiller" lol
[2016-11-02 18:29] ID=4532 Rassah: It's only place Mycelium Tokens are available at right now too
[2016-11-02 18:31] ID=4533 SilverWolf8: What are mycelium tokens?
[2016-11-02 20:39] ID=4534 Use signal: any word on Dash integration?
[2016-11-02 21:31] ID=4535 RE_ID=4533 Rassah: Stock Appreciation Rights contracts for the wallet
[2016-11-02 21:31] ID=4536 RE_ID=4534 Rassah: Slow but progressing. Dash still working on it
[2016-11-03 03:10] ID=4537 Anomaly: What is up with this: https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/5au0y8/mycelium_bitcoin_wallet_221_released_windows/
[2016-11-03 03:14] ID=4538 Rassah: Nice. I didn't even know we supported all those platforms
[2016-11-03 08:35] ID=4539 RE_ID=4537 sprks: that looks like a total scam  - don't go near it..  maybe worth pinning that message with a warning...
[2016-11-03 08:37] ID=4540 Anomaly: Yes, I agree. I wanted to call attention to it & have an official response from @Rassah
[2016-11-03 08:37] ID=4541 RE_ID=4539 DoubleYouSee23: If you read the Reddit comments rassah calls it out as a scam
[2016-11-03 08:38] ID=4542 RE_ID=4538 AROMACOMPUTERS: 😭
[2016-11-03 08:38] ID=4543 RE_ID=4541 sprks: I'm only concerned about people in this chat getting caught out downloading  it
[2016-11-03 08:39] ID=4544 sprks: especially after the comment there by Rassah
[2016-11-03 08:39] ID=4545 AROMACOMPUTERS: kinda geniuous if their fake wallet just steals priv keys
[2016-11-03 09:00] ID=4546 DoubleYouSee23: @Rassah any word on the mycelium card?
[2016-11-03 13:45] ID=4547 RE_ID=4540 Rassah: Thanks
[2016-11-03 13:47] ID=4548 RE_ID=4546 Rassah: Still looking for banks to buy and implement it. Last I heard the guys in charge of it got a major bank in Russia interested. That was about a month ago. Don't know if there was progress on it. I'll ask
[2016-11-03 14:46] ID=4549 RE_ID=4548 SilverWolf8: that sounds very promising
[2016-11-04 01:52] ID=4550 RE_ID=4548 DoubleYouSee23: So it's not looking like the kind of situation where you will sell to the individual?
[2016-11-04 05:43] ID=4551 ConicFund: I do not want to sell.
[2016-11-04 05:44] ID=4552 DoubleYouSee23: *sell the product I meant, not the patent
[2016-11-04 15:03] ID=4553 RE_ID=4550 Rassah: No, we decided against this year's ago, since that would result in such small quantities that it would never recoup the project costs. Once we get a mass purchaser and distributor, we may sell it individually too
[2016-11-04 16:18] ID=4554 ???: Whats the deal with block chain so slow today? Zero confirmations hours later...
[2016-11-04 16:44] ID=4555 SJ C: so zcash inflates 100% every 2 months or so, demand for the coin would have to outpace to even keep the price stable
[2016-11-04 16:45] ID=4556 SJ C: should see what happens in 2 months to the price, hard to justify buying this thing
[2016-11-05 13:20] ID=4557 madslime: None
[2016-11-06 07:16] ID=4558 BusinessAdvisory: None
[2016-11-06 08:26] ID=4559 Neo Cortex: None
[2016-11-06 08:27] ID=4560 Neo Cortex: I want to buy some MTs. What price can you offer to me? Please, only adequate offers)
[2016-11-06 09:44] ID=4561 Gladpack: You can put up an offer on Bitsquare
[2016-11-06 13:17] ID=4562 uporo: Do i buy or sell them directly from colu wallets? I am unfamiliar with bitsquare
[2016-11-06 13:18] ID=4563 Neo Cortex: No, colu wallets only for hold/transfer
[2016-11-06 15:37] ID=4564 uporo: So i neew a wallet that holds coloured coins?
[2016-11-06 15:50] ID=4565 Rassah: Colu is the wallet that holds colored coins
[2016-11-06 19:35] ID=4566 rawavocado: https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/5bfvef/wtf_is_up_with_mycelium_fees/
[2016-11-06 20:40] ID=4567 TheSatMan: None
[2016-11-06 20:42] ID=4568 TheSatMan: Hey... i bought a decent amount of MyCelium at the ICO... when will i be able to trade it at some of the exchanges?
[2016-11-07 03:29] ID=4569 KJ: No idea, been wondering for a while
[2016-11-07 03:30] ID=4570 KJ: Some updates about the mycelium tokens and wallet progress would be nice
[2016-11-07 04:01] ID=4571 llewdis: Agreed
[2016-11-07 04:53] ID=4572 DoubleYouSee23: Where the tokens are bought and sold has nothing to do with mycelium as a company. The only news is that if, if sometime in the future they have another sale we may be entitled to the difference in price between sales.
[2016-11-07 04:53] ID=4573 DoubleYouSee23: Otherwise use bitsquare
[2016-11-07 07:05] ID=4574 Neo Cortex: When using bitsquare, if i.e. I post order for 3 BTC and minimum 0.1 BTC and somebody fills my order on 0.1 BTC, why the remaining order closes? Thanks.
[2016-11-07 12:48] ID=4575 TheSatMan: I know that the Company behind a coin never has any thing to do with the trading itself and the different exchanges ... BUT what should the point be for us as investors - if we could not make any profit of your money the gave Mycelium? We need to get some information from the team behind. What is the progress, the flow, the idear ect... at the moment the value at BitSquare is 40% of the ICO price.
[2016-11-07 14:53] ID=4576 Rassah: We have a press release ready. I'll check why it's not published yet
[2016-11-07 14:57] ID=4577 udiWertheimer: now you got us all intrigued :D come on release it we can't wait! :)
[2016-11-07 14:59] ID=4578 TheSatMan: @Rassah nice to hear! Unless its bad news 😂🙈 of course not - i believe in you guys ... you are smart people 😉🤓
[2016-11-07 14:59] ID=4579 wksantiago: 👍
[2016-11-07 15:09] ID=4580 SJ C: I hope it contains companies joining to generate profit
[2016-11-07 15:09] ID=4581 SJ C: 😊
[2016-11-07 15:20] ID=4582 Rassah: It's just an update on where we're at
[2016-11-07 15:22] ID=4583 Rassah: Basically sorry for delays, some explanation for why we had delays (testing platforms to develop on, finding serious security flaws, having to abandon and try another platform), and where we are at now, with progress coming along
[2016-11-07 16:01] ID=4584 SJ C: 😕
[2016-11-07 16:10] ID=4585 Rassah: We have had progress though. Hoping to have something to show by mid month.
[2016-11-07 16:17] ID=4586 SJ C: 😊
[2016-11-07 16:37] ID=4587 TheSatMan: What about waves?
[2016-11-07 19:50] ID=4588 Rassah: Nothing on that end yet
[2016-11-07 21:28] ID=4589 TheSatMan: You dont have an estimate on when Waves will be integrated ... just about ?
[2016-11-07 22:30] ID=4590 Rassah: No. Colu first, then probably Waves
[2016-11-08 02:11] ID=4591 Transisto: You said you would give an update in a week 10 days ago
[2016-11-08 02:11] ID=4592 Transisto: Rassah (Mycelium), [28.10.16 23:24]\nFor the old wallet, yeah. We're developing the new one on our private closed GitHub before posting it to the public one\n\nRassah (Mycelium), [28.10.16 23:24]\nShould have the next announcement next week
[2016-11-08 02:11] ID=4593 Transisto: *should*
[2016-11-09 11:47] ID=4594 ???: Should means he will try but its not a definite.
[2016-11-09 19:58] ID=4595 Peter_CH: None
[2016-11-09 22:45] ID=4596 ???: None
[2016-11-10 00:28] ID=4597 RE_ID=4574 sprks: there's a telegram group for Bitsquare.. they can help you there.  I've used bitsquare successfully.. but never had this problem.. probably because I set 1 amount only..
[2016-11-10 02:30] ID=4598 ShortFatUglyDumb: https://telegram.me/bitsquare
[2016-11-12 02:13] ID=4599 jedex: None
[2016-11-12 08:19] ID=4600 KMeitner: None
[2016-11-12 08:50] ID=4601 Tezzo: None
[2016-11-13 00:35] ID=4602 ???: None
[2016-11-15 08:04] ID=4603 TheUltraAliens: None
[2016-11-15 10:35] ID=4604 DoubleYouSee23: Yo @Rassah , thanks for keeping it classy out there. I'm just realizing how many trolls I've been seeing are directly involved in other Bitcoin projects, and its pretty disappointing. Keep up the good work. I can't wait for your next update.
[2016-11-15 11:30] ID=4605 Anomaly: We appreciate the work you & your team do for bitcoin, @Rassah Keep moving us forward. Thanks very much! 👍
[2016-11-15 12:27] ID=4606 Rassah: Thanks :)
[2016-11-15 12:50] ID=4607 wksantiago: 👍
[2016-11-15 19:12] ID=4608 AROMACOMPUTERS: None
[2016-11-15 19:12] ID=4609 AROMACOMPUTERS: @Rassah ... \nSome concerns have been raided by @rawodb  that shoud be discussed here.
[2016-11-15 19:16] ID=4610 rawodb: Hi
[2016-11-15 19:17] ID=4611 AROMACOMPUTERS: Hi Raw!\nPlease do raise concerns here.\nThanks
[2016-11-15 19:18] ID=4612 rawodb: My concerns are:\n\n+ is mycelium ever going to release the indexer servers into open source or support alternative implementations
[2016-11-15 19:19] ID=4613 rawodb: By having support for custom backend httpsendpoint servers
[2016-11-15 19:19] ID=4614 rawodb: * why are all the certificates for the backend servers the same?
[2016-11-15 19:21] ID=4615 rawodb: *backend certificates are all expired and ssl servers badly configured with weak keys for perfect forward secrecy
[2016-11-15 19:22] ID=4616 rawodb: * why do all the backends point to the same hetzner as and nginx daemon?  One of the densiest virtualized Zone in Europe and in bitcoin
[2016-11-15 19:22] ID=4617 rawodb: Thank you
[2016-11-15 19:24] ID=4618 RE_ID=4612 Rassah: No. We are just about to release an SPV module that will let you connect via SPV or your own private node. The backend servers are used for things like Gear and Swish, and Swish is a proprietary merchant service that we charge a fee on, so we have to keep that under control (unfortunately)
[2016-11-15 19:24] ID=4619 Rassah: Hopefully the SPV module addresses that issue
[2016-11-15 19:25] ID=4620 rawodb: I am talking about the specific servers that are queried for utxo
[2016-11-15 19:25] ID=4621 rawodb: And are hard-coded into mycelium wallets
[2016-11-15 19:25] ID=4622 RE_ID=4615 Rassah: They shouldn't be expired. Or if they are, they're self certified, used only for encrypted communication.
[2016-11-15 19:25] ID=4623 rawodb: They are all expired since 2014
[2016-11-15 19:25] ID=4624 rawodb: And the mycelium wallet anchored to the expired certificate
[2016-11-15 19:26] ID=4625 RE_ID=4620 Rassah: Yeah, that you'll be able to use SPV or your own node for
[2016-11-15 19:26] ID=4626 rawodb: That is not self signed but CA
[2016-11-15 19:26] ID=4627 rawodb: Expired and very weak privacy settings.
[2016-11-15 19:26] ID=4628 RE_ID=4623 Rassah: I'll ask
[2016-11-15 19:26] ID=4629 rawodb: You can check I am on mobile now
[2016-11-15 19:27] ID=4630 rawodb: But it's the same thing on all servers
[2016-11-15 19:27] ID=4631 rawodb: I have checked the master source code on github for it
[2016-11-15 19:27] ID=4632 rawodb: Coders can verify
[2016-11-15 19:28] ID=4633 Rassah: Ok. Don't know how to answer that but I forwarded the question to our dev group. I'll answer as soon as they do (unless one of them answers here directly)
[2016-11-15 19:29] ID=4634 rawodb: https://www.ssllabs.com/ssltest/analyze.html?d=lt2.mycelium.com
[2016-11-15 19:29] ID=4635 rawodb: It's the same status on all servers
[2016-11-15 19:29] ID=4636 rawodb: The same certificate and endpoint configuration
[2016-11-15 19:30] ID=4637 rawodb: https://cipherli.st
[2016-11-15 19:31] ID=4638 rawodb: This will help them do a secure set up
[2016-11-15 19:31] ID=4639 Rassah: Thanks. Forwarded that along too
[2016-11-15 19:31] ID=4640 rawodb: @Rassah also on github it is mentioned that backend has multiple Datacenters yet it is all hosted on hetzner
[2016-11-15 19:32] ID=4641 Rassah: I think we distributed it among different hetzner locations
[2016-11-15 19:32] ID=4642 rawodb: Same AS for all servers in one of the densiest nodes per AS
[2016-11-15 19:33] ID=4643 Rassah: Yeah, that's not good
[2016-11-15 19:33] ID=4644 rawodb: There is no distribution at all
[2016-11-15 19:33] ID=4645 rawodb: It's the most used AS in the world for bitcoin and Sybil hell
[2016-11-15 19:33] ID=4646 Rassah: The long term goal is to move away from our own nodes, but I'll definitely get all that looked at in the mean time
[2016-11-15 19:34] ID=4647 Rassah: It's not even Sybil I'm most worried about
[2016-11-15 19:35] ID=4648 rawodb: What I'm worried about is privacy
[2016-11-15 19:35] ID=4649 Rassah: Someone kidnaps our dev or blackmails him, asks him to make the node pretend that a transaction from a specific address was broadcast and eventually confirmed, while actually discarding it, and using it to do a trade with someone for substantial amount of cash
[2016-11-15 19:36] ID=4650 rawodb: And would not like my utxo queries leaked through hetzner
[2016-11-15 19:36] ID=4651 Rassah: You use Orbot?
[2016-11-15 19:36] ID=4652 rawodb: Or logged by the ingressing nginx server
[2016-11-15 19:37] ID=4653 rawodb: It makes no difference if I tor it. Certificates are pinned to expired certificate
[2016-11-15 19:37] ID=4654 rawodb: That is shared on all mycelium servers together with the private keys
[2016-11-15 19:37] ID=4655 rawodb: Cert private keys
[2016-11-15 19:38] ID=4656 rawodb: Anyway that's about it
[2016-11-15 19:47] ID=4657 rawodb: Gl with fixes
[2016-11-15 19:53] ID=4658 Rassah: Thank you!
[2016-11-15 20:07] ID=4659 RE_ID=4652 DanielWeigl: Hi, the expiry date on the certs was choosen badly, thats true. but it does not really matter, because they were self-signed anyway and are pinned in the app\n\nIf you dont want to risk that your UTXO queries get linked to your IP address use orbot. we dont log any queries which would allow us to trace addresses or anything back to our users, but we cant proof that anyway. So if you need perfect privacy here, you need to use orbot anyway
[2016-11-15 20:09] ID=4660 DanielWeigl: all our nodes are hosted at hetzner, thats true - but they are in different datacenters and are root serves fully belonging to us. \nIt would be better to have some other servers in other continents, but running more servers cost money and administration time...
[2016-11-15 20:10] ID=4661 rawodb: @DanielMycelium certificate is still a big problem regardless, as that private key and cert is shared among all private serverss
[2016-11-15 20:11] ID=4662 rawodb: PFS is an easy set up and requires a chipherlist change; Over here it's a higher risk to run tor/orbot on your mobile provider than it is to access a PFS/SSL connection
[2016-11-15 20:12] ID=4663 rawodb: Also there is not much change for your Hetzner datacenter as they are all on the same AS
[2016-11-15 20:12] ID=4664 rawodb: And take the same routepath
[2016-11-15 20:12] ID=4665 DanielWeigl: we are in the midst in rewritting the wallet from scratch, which will also change a lot to our backend. thus we postponed changes to our current backend as much as possible... hope you understand
[2016-11-15 20:12] ID=4666 rawodb: This can easily be verified even on the bitnodes website
[2016-11-15 20:12] ID=4667 DanielWeigl: > Over here it's a higher risk to run tor/orbot\nWhy that, if i may ask (and where is "here")
[2016-11-15 20:13] ID=4668 rawodb: I understand dev problems I dev myself java too
[2016-11-15 20:13] ID=4669 rawodb: but want those backendss changed and displaying an A+ to feel safe with mycelium querying them in present state
[2016-11-15 20:14] ID=4670 rawodb: 
[2016-11-15 20:14] ID=4671 rawodb: You can confirm for yourself that all nodes use the same AS24940 and use the same certificate pinning. As well as the same certificate key
[2016-11-15 20:14] ID=4672 DanielWeigl: will have to think about it... isnt that easy, bec. of the cert pinning - will need new subdomains/api endpoints in parallel to to the old ones
[2016-11-15 20:15] ID=4673 rawodb: Well yes, it was pinned in code that will require an update pushed
[2016-11-15 20:15] ID=4674 rawodb: and the cipherlist fixed on the nginx servers that proxy to jetty
[2016-11-15 20:16] ID=4675 RE_ID=4673 DanielWeigl: many clients dont update that often/if at all... so we need to support new and old in parallel then
[2016-11-15 20:16] ID=4676 rawodb: hardfork in your main protocol suck
[2016-11-15 20:16] ID=4677 rawodb: that is true, and put a big weight on the shoulders in providing compatibility
[2016-11-15 20:19] ID=4678 DanielWeigl: yep - we wanted to change that already some years ago (as the cert date expired - mostly to not have an expired cert, which wouldnt matter anyway), but refrained from it, bec. of doubling the administration costs on some parts of the backend
[2016-11-15 20:19] ID=4679 rawodb: Sharing certificates and private keys amongs servers is bad idea as well
[2016-11-15 20:19] ID=4680 rawodb: and should be avoided, each server should have it's own certificate
[2016-11-15 20:20] ID=4681 rawodb: And PFS fixes are required in order to not have previous recorded traffic de-anonymized and decrypted
[2016-11-15 20:20] ID=4682 rawodb: by an attacker obtaining the private key, that is located on all servers
[2016-11-15 20:21] ID=4683 rawodb: they can just record snap traffic ingressing for the last 3? years
[2016-11-15 20:21] ID=4684 rawodb: and decrypt it
[2016-11-15 20:21] ID=4685 rawodb: providing a valuable intel db for anyone recording it, regardless if you log or not the requests
[2016-11-15 20:22] ID=4686 DanielWeigl: ...if the privkey gets leaked or broken somewhere along the line
[2016-11-15 20:22] ID=4687 rawodb: Administration /sysop costs are also not something to get rid of, or lack esp. in financial apps
[2016-11-15 20:22] ID=4688 RE_ID=4686 rawodb: Private keys that are shared among various servers and have been transfered in the past trough multiple hands?
[2016-11-15 20:23] ID=4689 DanielWeigl: i know, and i fully support the points you make, but we have a lot of things to work on. but ill try to squeze in some changes in the next few weeks hopefully
[2016-11-15 20:23] ID=4690 rawodb: 👍
[2016-11-15 20:33] ID=4691 rawodb: @DanielMycelium how i'd aproach it is 1) Fix PFS and ciphers 2) Fix DH primes / generate new primes 3) Phase out certificates 4) Phase in unique certificates / server
[2016-11-15 20:33] ID=4692 rawodb: Make sure keys and primes are no longer shared among servers or have over clear channels
[2016-11-15 22:08] ID=4693 Rassah: Thanks for the tips Raw.
[2016-11-15 22:08] ID=4694 rawodb: Yw; anytime.. I use Mycelium myself
[2016-11-15 22:08] ID=4695 Rassah: This kind of mess is why we had goals of phasing out our own nodes for a while now
[2016-11-15 22:09] ID=4696 Rassah: It's just too much trust in too few people's hands
[2016-11-15 22:09] ID=4697 rawodb: Not sure how much SPV will help, as even block filtered initializing will take quite a while
[2016-11-15 22:10] ID=4698 rawodb: But great for new accounts
[2016-11-15 22:11] ID=4699 Rassah: Hopefully people will use their own or trusted nodes
[2016-11-15 22:12] ID=4700 Rassah: And Leo, one of our devs, has an idea for a sort of a bloom filter that will let you get balances for all your addresses without exposing which ones are yours
[2016-11-15 22:13] ID=4701 Rassah: But that's further down the line
[2016-11-15 22:13] ID=4702 rawodb: If you open source or allow a alternative implementation for the UTXO endpoint servers it should be more then enough
[2016-11-15 22:14] ID=4703 rawodb: It can be a simply jetty plugin that attaches to core-rpc like it does now
[2016-11-15 22:15] ID=4704 rawodb: And you can have regular enterprisy/saas nodes for sponsoring services and stuff like that
[2016-11-15 22:15] ID=4705 rawodb: and users who want better privacy can hook up their own node
[2016-11-15 22:16] ID=4706 Rassah: Yeah, the wallet and SPV code will be open source
[2016-11-15 22:16] ID=4707 Rassah: It's only the nodes we're being asked to keep closed source.
[2016-11-15 22:17] ID=4708 rawodb: Which nodes?
[2016-11-15 22:18] ID=4709 Rassah: Ours
[2016-11-15 22:18] ID=4710 Rassah: The ones with the certificate issues
[2016-11-15 22:18] ID=4711 rawodb: The UTXO delivery ones or the alternative services ones?
[2016-11-15 22:19] ID=4712 rawodb: @Rassah have you looked at electrum?
[2016-11-15 22:20] ID=4713 rawodb: or it's python services/indexer?
[2016-11-15 22:21] ID=4714 rawodb: They opensource their utxo servers and allow people to host them, they offer a rpc-like api trough stratum
[2016-11-15 22:21] ID=4715 Rassah: Yeah, we have. Got them on "things to connect to" on our to do list
[2016-11-15 22:21] ID=4716 Rassah: Just taking a while. Step by step.
[2016-11-15 22:22] ID=4717 rawodb: well if you can connect to that, people can just run their own  indexer service
[2016-11-15 22:22] ID=4718 Rassah: Libbitcoin has that too I think
[2016-11-15 22:23] ID=4719 rawodb: Well anything is good. Meanwhile pfs and carry on
[2016-11-16 04:43] ID=4720 Chad: Rassah,  please carry on the good work.
[2016-11-16 04:44] ID=4721 Chad: I know your dedicated.
[2016-11-16 07:21] ID=4722 mandarln: None
[2016-11-16 10:36] ID=4723 rawodb: @Rassah do you have problems w/ implementing segwit transactions? They're the same as bitcoin txes. Most of the BitcoinJ code and mycelium code I see should readily support it
[2016-11-16 10:37] ID=4724 rawodb: And I'm guessing the 0.13.1 backend nodes have no in processing them
[2016-11-16 10:37] ID=4725 rawodb: Why all the QQ and the drama?
[2016-11-16 10:41] ID=4726 rawodb: or @DanielMycelium since you're writing most of the Java APP code.. and which mostly integrates BitcoinJ and other libs.. Do you see a problem in supporting segwit?
[2016-11-16 10:43] ID=4727 rawodb: The format in BIP0144 should not give you any problems, nor would the crypto or verifying behind it
[2016-11-16 10:43] ID=4728 DanielWeigl: No real stopping problems, but its a lot of work and some minor questions are still unresolved (ie. how to make the switch over so that users will understand they need new accounts with a new address format=
[2016-11-16 10:44] ID=4729 rawodb: Why would the user need new accounts and or addresse?
[2016-11-16 10:44] ID=4730 DanielWeigl: the current app does not use bitcoinj (next one will) - we have a own bitcoin layer (aka bitlib) that was coded by the original creator of the app
[2016-11-16 10:45] ID=4731 DanielWeigl: bec. segwit will use a P2WPKH-via-P2SH encapsuled format in the beginning (i.e. addresses will start with a 3...)
[2016-11-16 10:48] ID=4732 rawodb: I see; so there's a perception problem for users in eeing addresses that start with a p? for example?
[2016-11-16 10:50] ID=4733 rawodb: Although now when I click Add An Account I get a new window with choices for the type of account
[2016-11-16 10:50] ID=4734 rawodb: HD Account, Coinapult Locks, Advanced!
[2016-11-16 10:50] ID=4735 rawodb: Trezor HD, Ledger HD
[2016-11-16 10:50] ID=4736 DanielWeigl: no, not a perception problem, but it needs to be explained why they should use a new account, move money over, etc... \nalso it needs to be ensured that other wallets will use the same derivation scheme and xPub format and what not to stay compatible
[2016-11-16 10:51] ID=4737 DanielWeigl: yes, later on we will have under advanced "SegWit account" and if we feel happy with it, it will get the default account
[2016-11-16 10:51] ID=4738 rawodb: yeah
[2016-11-16 10:51] ID=4739 rawodb: it can even get one of those 4 line paragraphs
[2016-11-16 10:51] ID=4740 rawodb: of copyleft text that explain it
[2016-11-16 10:52] ID=4741 rawodb: "A Coinapult account allows you to store value in variou Fiat currencies... "
[2016-11-16 16:53] ID=4742 DanielWeigl: @rawodb how does this make you feel: https://www.ssllabs.com/ssltest/analyze.html?d=mws20.mycelium.com  (currently finalizing the changes needed in the app)
[2016-11-16 16:58] ID=4743 rawodb: @DanielMycelium look good!  👍 \nGreat job! Did you replace the default dhparams too? Test says it's okay but always great to check\n\nIn nginx it's the ssl_dhparam config (https://raymii.org/s/tutorials/Strong_SSL_Security_On_nginx.html)\n\nBut looks great!
[2016-11-16 16:58] ID=4744 DanielWeigl: yep
[2016-11-16 16:58] ID=4745 rawodb: 4096 Key / unique certs when you eventually phase them out
[2016-11-16 17:00] ID=4746 rawodb: But great job! I feel a lot better with PFS working and the cipherlist hardened
[2016-11-16 17:00] ID=4747 rawodb: Thanks!
[2016-11-16 19:46] ID=4748 Rahoos: @rawodb, I've been having fun imagining ODB faked his death and remade himself as some sort of high level coder/hacker to continue fighting the man in cognito. Please tell me it's true.
[2016-11-16 19:52] ID=4749 rawodb: IT'S TRUE!:p
[2016-11-16 19:58] ID=4750 Rahoos: Thanks!
[2016-11-16 21:20] ID=4751 ShortFatUglyDumb: @DanielMycelium Like many, I have much of my BTC stored in various single-address (starts with '1...') keys, created individually offline. Some r even cold storage keys that have never sent on the blockchain. Will there b any problem sending or receiving from/to any of them after SegWit, or watch-only, using Mycelium?
[2016-11-16 21:26] ID=4752 RE_ID=4751 Rassah: No, we'll still have support for all the legacy stuff
[2016-11-16 21:26] ID=4753 Rassah: It just might get moved to a more advanced section
[2016-11-16 21:29] ID=4754 ShortFatUglyDumb: Thx, Rassah.I luv it when software publishers retain power features in2 an Advanced area.
[2016-11-16 21:38] ID=4755 Rassah: Of course. We ourselves still find them useful
[2016-11-17 10:56] ID=4756 Transisto: I'll be direct; Mycelium on iOS is such a disgrace it should be pulled out of the market.
[2016-11-17 10:59] ID=4757 Transisto: We have been pushing Mycelium to all our customers for years and a bunch of them install it on iOS by mistake, I tried to let someone use the iOS version.  It's buggy as hell, there is no way to set national currency. The backup process is a pain, can't be skipped, and we had to pay 51c to send the funds over to BreadWallet. (fee calculation completely out of range)
[2016-11-17 11:04] ID=4758 cvennekel: it certainly is not up to par with the android version, but I use it daily.\nWhat exactly was the issue you experienced with national currencies? It works fine for me, pressing the amount in the Balance screen as well as selecting the currency at the top right of transactions tab
[2016-11-17 11:08] ID=4759 cvennekel: The fees that will be chosen are higher than on android in general
[2016-11-17 11:08] ID=4760 cvennekel: not sure when you tried it out, but the fee was changed on the backend side recently
[2016-11-17 11:10] ID=4761 cvennekel: when core estimations were getting too high, a 2 input & 2 output tx (372 byte) transaction on priority will now end up with a fee of 150 satoshi / byte.
[2016-11-17 11:12] ID=4762 btcng: None
[2016-11-17 15:20] ID=4763 ???: None
[2016-11-17 15:49] ID=4764 cvennekel: 
[2016-11-17 16:33] ID=4765 ???: 
[2016-11-18 03:21] ID=4766 ???: None
[2016-11-18 03:22] ID=4767 ???: anybody home??
[2016-11-18 03:31] ID=4768 RE_ID=3723 ???: Ok, I joined to get my concerns answered, and this place is empty
[2016-11-18 03:33] ID=4769 Rassah: 202 members here
[2016-11-18 03:34] ID=4770 Rassah: What concerns? (I'm about to go to bed though)
[2016-11-18 04:15] ID=4771 RE_ID=4769 AROMACOMPUTERS: 205
[2016-11-18 06:48] ID=4772 RE_ID=4765 😸inaboat: 
[2016-11-18 08:00] ID=4773 ???: Empty lol. Ok.....
[2016-11-18 17:17] ID=4777 RE_ID=4768 Rahoos: Pff. Replies to a post from a month ago, then complains nobody's here. Didn't see the hundreds of posts since the one you replied to? Or is it just that, since you've waited like 6 months to start looking for answers, you expect them immediately?
[2016-11-18 19:13] ID=4778 Rassah: http://news.wallet.mycelium.com/mycelium-wallet-status-update-for-november-2016/
[2016-11-18 19:14] ID=4779 arottma: None
[2016-11-18 19:36] ID=4780 rmadras: None
[2016-11-18 19:47] ID=4782 udiWertheimer: @Rassah congratulations on your progress and this update. It's apparent you guys are striving to be even more transparent and that's awesome
[2016-11-18 19:51] ID=4783 Rassah: Striving. Haven't been enough
[2016-11-18 21:00] ID=4785 Gladpack: Good update. I wonder what the good news for MT token holders are :)
[2016-11-18 21:02] ID=4786 RE_ID=4785 AROMACOMPUTERS: Rassah (Mycelium):\nhttp://news.wallet.mycelium.com/mycelium-wallet-status-update-for-november-2016/\n\n^^
[2016-11-18 21:02] ID=4787 Gladpack: Yes it says "prepare for some good news"
[2016-11-18 21:29] ID=4788 denharsh: None
[2016-11-18 21:49] ID=4789 ???: None
[2016-11-18 22:34] ID=4790 ErrorChibi22: None
[2016-11-19 00:15] ID=4792 DoubleYouSee23: The update says "added support for nano s" but I've been using mine for a few weeks now, what changed?
[2016-11-19 00:42] ID=4793 Rassah: I think that's what. We added it a few weeks ago
[2016-11-19 00:44] ID=4794 DoubleYouSee23: Thanks. I was trying to figure out if I could update the firmware or something cool.
[2016-11-19 00:45] ID=4795 DoubleYouSee23: uhh, not that holding money on a phone and a cred-stick isn't cool
[2016-11-19 05:04] ID=4796 yieldo: None
[2016-11-19 07:44] ID=4797 FelixWeis: None
[2016-11-19 08:01] ID=4798 .: None
[2016-11-19 08:35] ID=4799 tasio: None
[2016-11-19 10:36] ID=4800 javisobr: None
[2016-11-19 10:41] ID=4801 ericp4: None
[2016-11-19 11:43] ID=4802 getcointoday: None
[2016-11-19 12:36] ID=4803 whalehunting: None
[2016-11-19 13:35] ID=4804 Rassah: I see we've had a few people read the latest release
[2016-11-19 13:40] ID=4805 cvennekel: link has been found :)
[2016-11-19 13:41] ID=4806 RE_ID=4804 whalehunting: really excited about the coinjoin part! (and segwitf ofc)
[2016-11-19 13:41] ID=4807 whalehunting: any ETA on the release?
[2016-11-19 15:14] ID=4808 SJ C: Did Alexander mean the mid Dec? because it's past mid Nov already\n"Most of these things aren’t visible to end users, or only exist on a new wallet, so unfortunately it’s hard to see progress on them. But we should have the following available to show our users by mid November:"
[2016-11-19 16:47] ID=4809 Cme: 👍👍👍 I ❤️ Mycelium!
[2016-11-19 17:31] ID=4810 RE_ID=4808 Rassah: Mid November. Videos are in links. Code should be available soon too
[2016-11-19 18:51] ID=4811 rodomonte: None
[2016-11-19 22:57] ID=4812 rodomonte: i dont find good that you lose stars if you close a trade before it even happens
[2016-11-19 22:59] ID=4813 rodomonte: or at least the 2 things have to be slit
[2016-11-19 23:00] ID=4814 rodomonte: i have 1 star and i never actually trade irl, people will think i take cash and run away (this because i close 2 trades before them even happen), i would simly move money on another account now, but really, ux is not really intuitive on this
[2016-11-19 23:00] ID=4815 Rassah: Don't accept a trade unless you set a time and a place and are sure you will meet
[2016-11-19 23:01] ID=4816 Rassah: But we'll change that when we move it to the new wallet. It really needs updating
[2016-11-19 23:01] ID=4817 rodomonte: yes this is true
[2016-11-19 23:01] ID=4818 rodomonte: that was my fault
[2016-11-19 23:01] ID=4819 rodomonte: but i do it 2 times and now its like if im a criminal!! XD
[2016-11-19 23:01] ID=4820 RE_ID=4816 rodomonte: ok, happy about this! :D
[2016-11-19 23:26] ID=4821 benmorris: None
[2016-11-20 06:47] ID=4822 arottma: 
[2016-11-20 09:09] ID=4823 RE_ID=4815 ???: Hey Rassah what was the site you use to send money to ukraine via btc? Trying to sent on the one I normally use and they are out of funds in privat apparently
[2016-11-20 14:30] ID=4824 RE_ID=4823 Rassah: https://utbs.ws/r/bitcoinua
[2016-11-20 15:12] ID=4825 ???: Thanks!
[2016-11-20 15:25] ID=4826 bilbma: None
[2016-11-21 05:37] ID=4827 BtcNW: None
[2016-11-21 07:45] ID=4828 jandreske: None
[2016-11-21 09:59] ID=4829 Excelsior42: None
[2016-11-21 16:04] ID=4830 Henry: None
[2016-11-21 16:04] ID=4831 Henry: Anyway to trade MT yet?
[2016-11-21 16:17] ID=4832 Rassah: Bitsquare
[2016-11-21 22:50] ID=4833 denharsh: Anyone from USA who wish to sell Bitcoin to India ?
[2016-11-21 23:20] ID=4834 yieldo: How could you do that?
[2016-11-21 23:22] ID=4835 RE_ID=4833 mdrmn: Check @indiabits, I've seen couple of people already doing it there
[2016-11-22 03:26] ID=4836 RE_ID=4822 bengems: Lol...trump is a rabid animal
[2016-11-22 06:32] ID=4837 arottma: 
[2016-11-22 11:11] ID=4838 rodomonte: did mycelium plan to do a bot for telegram like telebit (@bitcoinwalletbot)? it is currently down... from a lot of time
[2016-11-22 11:17] ID=4839 RE_ID=4838 mdrmn: Nobody consider tipping on telegram useful, also changetip will shut down
[2016-11-22 11:17] ID=4840 rodomonte: 2 things aren't correlated
[2016-11-22 11:18] ID=4841 rodomonte: nobody consider going to the moon useful, also usa program shutdow: yes, and they are damn retarded now what?
[2016-11-22 11:18] ID=4842 rodomonte: changetip=retarded from beginning
[2016-11-22 11:20] ID=4843 mdrmn: I was happy by using all 3 of them, if mycelium is willing to integrate telegram and other social media tipping it will be a big step
[2016-11-22 11:21] ID=4844 RE_ID=4843 rodomonte: now i hear you bro
[2016-11-22 13:24] ID=4845 Rassah: No need for bots. We're here mainly to answer questions
[2016-11-22 15:22] ID=4846 rodomonte: They are really useful instead particularly with the inline option now like, I do not agree @myceliumbot 1 USD @mdrmn, would be not secure but awesome
[2016-11-22 15:24] ID=4847 rodomonte: Anyway, no problem, I will really like a mycelium bot thought
[2016-11-22 15:25] ID=4848 DanielWeigl: so far we tried to only directly provide services where we dont hold the users funds/keys on our servers. because we belive in "be your own bank" - such a service only works (good) if we hold the funds for it (like changetip does/did)
[2016-11-22 15:26] ID=4849 RE_ID=4848 rodomonte: I love this and I understand
[2016-11-22 15:26] ID=4850 rodomonte: But for little sums I think it would be great anyway
[2016-11-22 15:27] ID=4851 mdrmn: You can just allow people to link Thei mycelium wallet with telegram, dunno maybe just keep record of telegram user with Bitcoin address and find a different solution to send bitcoin
[2016-11-22 15:27] ID=4852 DanielWeigl: lets wait for lightning, then sending tip-amounts via btc makes more economical sense
[2016-11-22 15:27] ID=4853 rodomonte: Ahah this is for sure
[2016-11-22 15:27] ID=4854 mdrmn: Buy really you should do it, new users need an easy way to receive Bitcoin, and this will help accommodate more users with Bitcoin on telegram + mycelium maketing
[2016-11-22 15:28] ID=4855 mdrmn: Or make something like btc-e with redeemable codes inside of mycelium
[2016-11-22 15:30] ID=4856 rodomonte: The good point they stand it's, this is not really Bitcoin if you do not own the key, I agree, somebody should talk with telegram to ask if they plan to allow client signing, this would really be super wonderful, maybe you could work with them and using lightning actually do a real wallet but for tips: anyway this is for the future eventually
[2016-11-22 15:32] ID=4857 rodomonte: This is really similar to a dream for now, but with a coinapult like service is really near the killer app
[2016-11-22 16:13] ID=4858 mdrmn: Don't make it more complex than it is for new users. Limit amounts let's say under $1 for users who want to keep Bitcoin on telegram, and allow bigger amounts for those who register their own Bitcoin address with the bot
[2016-11-22 16:13] ID=4859 mdrmn: I mean it's not a pain in the ass for me to send Bitcoin directly to the other user mycelium, it's hard for new users to understand how Bitcoin works
[2016-11-22 16:14] ID=4860 mdrmn: So I can transfer them $1 over telegram and tell them, if you want to work and get paid download mycelium and register your own Bitcoin address with bot
[2016-11-22 16:14] ID=4861 mdrmn: Anyway, you're smart guys if you want to do it u will find a solution.
[2016-11-22 16:55] ID=4862 jandreske: I guess as soon as the company holds a single penny on behalf of a user, the attention you get from regulators, law enforcement etc might cause a lot of headache.
[2016-11-22 21:38] ID=4863 Transisto: Right now there is no way to prioritize my transaction with unconfirmed parent.  I've been doing 5 child pay for parent transaction with max priority.  Max priority is not enough, max priority come up to 90sat/byte while 21.co suggest 100 sat/byte... There is no way that this low fee is prioritizing anything before itself. Especially since the unconfirmed parent with low fee is 1.7KB
[2016-11-22 21:41] ID=4864 Transisto: I'm going to have to derive private keys and import them into electrum to fix that shit !!!  About 5 customers are affected by this.
[2016-11-22 21:41] ID=4865 Transisto: Why can't we just enable expert mode to overide still broken fee calculation ?
[2016-11-22 21:42] ID=4866 jandreske: That's actually a good point - the priority fee calculation is only based on the size of transaction itself. I guess to be truly considered priority it should take the size of unconfirmed parents into account.
[2016-11-22 21:44] ID=4867 Rassah: Use MultibitHD for the seed. Electrum isn't compatible cause it doesn't follow HD standard
[2016-11-22 21:45] ID=4868 Rassah: Fee calculation is from Core. If it's broken, Core is broken. 21 may be using their own
[2016-11-22 21:52] ID=4869 franull: Edited, it was a message for other chat, sorry
[2016-11-22 21:57] ID=4870 Escalicha: RIP Core
[2016-11-23 15:50] ID=4871 partyp88: None
[2016-11-23 16:19] ID=4872 HostFat: @Rassah does mycelium make it possible to spend unconfirmed tx?
[2016-11-23 16:19] ID=4873 RE_ID=4872 Rassah: Yes
[2016-11-23 16:23] ID=4874 Ean Thompson: None
[2016-11-23 16:24] ID=4875 HostFat: Thank you very much!
[2016-11-24 00:07] ID=4876 ShortFatUglyDumb: Yes, that's a nice feature they added last year.
[2016-11-24 11:21] ID=4877 Transisto: The only to unstuck a 3 day old transaction is to do a CPFP with all funds of the wallet. merging about 35 transaction to get to that last 2 BTC unconfirmed.  A better Mycelium can't come soon enough.
[2016-11-24 11:30] ID=4878 cvennekel: or export privkey of stuck txs address and do a double spend
[2016-11-24 11:31] ID=4879 cvennekel: but yes, you are right, that is the only workaround for non tech-savvy users
[2016-11-24 11:34] ID=4880 Transisto: I'm not the one who has the private key I'm the one who's bag holding the cash.
[2016-11-24 11:35] ID=4881 cvennekel: does the other part know how to do it?
[2016-11-24 11:35] ID=4882 cvennekel: do you have txid?
[2016-11-24 11:36] ID=4883 Transisto: The other part is long gone
[2016-11-24 11:36] ID=4884 cvennekel: does the tx have change that goes back to you?
[2016-11-24 11:37] ID=4885 Transisto: yes the whole 2 BTC, change usually goes back to the one who send the coins.
[2016-11-24 11:37] ID=4886 Transisto: I know what to do, I'm just complaining.  Thanks for your help.
[2016-11-24 11:38] ID=4887 Transisto: I'll select my input with electrum ... that's a transaction send to a trezor
[2016-11-24 11:40] ID=4888 cvennekel: Alright, i know, you raise issues on github, thanks for doing that.\nFor all others:\nyou can use https://github.com/achow101/FeeBooster with the txid to have it create an unsigned tx for you, and use offline https://raw.githack.com/DanielWeigl/bip39/master/src/index.html to get the privkey of the address (set derivation path to BIP44). \nPaste unsigned tx into offline version of https://coinb.in/#sign and sign with PrivKey, then broadcast.
[2016-11-24 12:14] ID=4889 jandreske: Another takeaway could be to visualize if incoming transactions have a too low fee or depend on other unconfirmed transactions. Users could then more consciously decide to not accept payments immediately if they don't match certain criteria. \nThis could help to get users and wallet designers to put more emphasis on good fee behavior.
[2016-11-24 12:14] ID=4890 jandreske: Also putting the expected fee into payment requests could be nice.
[2016-11-24 13:07] ID=4891 RE_ID=4890 painlord2k: I support that, if the fee required is clearly visible and the user can set some limits to the max fee requested he will automatically accept to use and the % over the payment done.\nEG: if fee > $ 0.50 or fee > 1% of payment then ask user.
[2016-11-24 14:07] ID=4892 Rassah: CPFP would make that not necessary.
[2016-11-24 14:35] ID=4893 painlord2k: http://estimatefee.appspot.com/
[2016-11-24 14:37] ID=4894 painlord2k: 
[2016-11-24 14:48] ID=4896 yieldo: what is cpfp?
[2016-11-24 14:48] ID=4897 painlord2k: child pay for parents.
[2016-11-24 14:52] ID=4898 painlord2k: unfortunately with fees at these levels, it appear to me it is pretty impossible to use Bitcoin with any time sensible application like buying a coffe or your groceries at the checkout.\n\nNot only the fee is very large and make any saving impossible, but the time frame to confirm the transaction is impossible to extimate in any meaningful way.\n\nIt is worth to note many big services already pay the miners in advance to accept their transactions even if the fees in the transactions are lower.
[2016-11-24 14:57] ID=4899 yieldo: i'm noob to bitcoin but yes, there are couple of sites on which I noticed my transactions arrive pretty fast even tho I use the economic fee on mycelium
[2016-11-24 14:57] ID=4900 yieldo: does mycelium calculate the fee on the fly or is it fixed?
[2016-11-24 15:00] ID=4901 RE_ID=4900 Rassah: On the fly, but only using the situation at that point in time
[2016-11-24 15:01] ID=4902 Rassah: So it could calculate one fee, and right after you send the network could get flooded, requiring a higher fee
[2016-11-24 15:05] ID=4903 yieldo: no big deal I suppose,  family members that use bitcoins also use mycelium but just for savings
[2016-11-24 15:13] ID=4904 RE_ID=4898 SilverWolf8: is this how coffee shops that accept btc do it now? pay miners in advance for instanty tx?  i havent been to one yet, but i would imagine they cant afford keeping a line up of people waiting for confirimations....?
[2016-11-24 15:15] ID=4905 painlord2k: No,, they don't.\nThey do not accept bitcoin payment mainly for these reasons:\nslow confirmation times, easy double spending if you accept 0-conf., high fees.
[2016-11-24 15:16] ID=4906 SilverWolf8: there are many coffee shops that accept bitcoin
[2016-11-24 15:17] ID=4907 Rassah: Merchant processors accept transactions on the coffee shop's behalf, and those merchant processors pay miners. Supposedly
[2016-11-24 15:18] ID=4908 RE_ID=4907 SilverWolf8: hmm thank you for clarifying, thats very interesting!
[2016-11-24 15:18] ID=4909 SilverWolf8: is that not practical? is it expensive?
[2016-11-24 15:20] ID=4910 Rassah: It could be if miners are stuck with a choice of accepting the transaction from the merchant for a lower amount, or a whole bunch of high fee transactions
[2016-11-24 15:20] ID=4911 Rassah: Ideally it would be just as expensive, or more so, than the fees themselves
[2016-11-24 15:25] ID=4914 RE_ID=4911 SilverWolf8: do you know what it is in practice right now?
[2016-11-24 15:45] ID=4915 Cheenchin: None
[2016-11-24 15:49] ID=4916 painlord2k: Current priority fee for Mycelium (as I write) is 0.76257 mBTC —> 0.53 € -> 0.58 $
[2016-11-24 15:55] ID=4917 painlord2k: BTW, there any way I could sign a text with the private key of a specific address of my Mycelium wallet.\nIf not,  Could this be implemented in the future?
[2016-11-24 15:56] ID=4918 DanielWeigl: go to the accounts screen, select the account, then menu and "Sign"
[2016-11-24 16:01] ID=4919 painlord2k: Thank You
[2016-11-24 16:45] ID=4920 RE_ID=4918 rodomonte: Wow don't know this, but there isn't also a way to verify right?
[2016-11-25 08:10] ID=4921 Bitcoinpromo: None
[2016-11-25 17:34] ID=4922 sprks: anyone want to buy my Mycelium tokens ?
[2016-11-25 21:17] ID=4923 uporo: In what price and how much?
[2016-11-26 06:51] ID=4924 BitKralj: I'm selling mine too, if anyone interested
[2016-11-26 06:55] ID=4925 RE_ID=4924 ShortFatUglyDumb: Bitsquare.io
[2016-11-26 06:57] ID=4926 BitKralj: Its impossible to sell them there. Zero volume..
[2016-11-26 07:00] ID=4927 HostFat: there is in the euro zone :)
[2016-11-26 07:01] ID=4928 DoubleYouSee23: I'd buy more MT is if could hold them myself. I'm willing to bet there are others waiting for a mycelium wallet update as well.
[2016-11-26 07:02] ID=4929 RE_ID=4927 BitKralj: Link?
[2016-11-26 07:04] ID=4930 HostFat: 
[2016-11-26 07:04] ID=4931 HostFat: 
[2016-11-26 07:04] ID=4932 HostFat: you should just add your offer
[2016-11-26 07:05] ID=4933 HostFat: https://market.bitsquare.io/
[2016-11-26 07:07] ID=4934 BitKralj: I meant that there is zero volume for MT/BTC
[2016-11-26 07:07] ID=4935 BitKralj: https://market.bitsquare.io/?market=mt_btc
[2016-11-26 07:29] ID=4936 DoubleYouSee23: Ledger Blue, the most advanced hardware wallet on the market, is available for orders now!\nhttps://blog.ledger.co/ledger-blue-an-enterprise-grade-security-device-4e6588c72a13
[2016-11-26 07:29] ID=4937 DoubleYouSee23: I hope you guys release your mycelium wallet one day soon.
[2016-11-26 07:52] ID=4938 RE_ID=4934 HostFat: ah!
[2016-11-26 07:52] ID=4939 HostFat: you should try to add your offer :)
[2016-11-26 09:43] ID=4940 RE_ID=4936 Crypt0naire: I'm wondering who's running around with a bulky thing  like that
[2016-11-26 09:49] ID=4941 DoubleYouSee23: As is, it isn't feasible IMO but give it a generation or 2. There are a few similar devices to this starting to hit the market
[2016-11-26 09:49] ID=4942 DoubleYouSee23: Stand alone wallets I mean
[2016-11-26 09:49] ID=4943 Crypt0naire: The technology and everything is great!! But i really can't imagine to walk around with this
[2016-11-26 09:50] ID=4944 udiWertheimer: If you read that blog post, you'll notice the Ledger Blue is planned to have support for Colu tokens as well, that includes MTs
[2016-11-26 09:50] ID=4945 udiWertheimer: I'm not sure if that's on release or on a future update though
[2016-11-26 09:51] ID=4946 RE_ID=4944 DoubleYouSee23: I saw that!
[2016-11-26 09:51] ID=4947 RE_ID=4943 DoubleYouSee23: Its smaller than a cellphone. If they made a nice case with credit card holders it might not be bad. The price though...
[2016-11-26 09:52] ID=4948 RE_ID=4947 Crypt0naire: Maybe you are right. The price is like  more than 2 trezors...mhhh
[2016-11-26 09:53] ID=4949 Crypt0naire: Makes only sense for people who really use all of the currencies and Tokens
[2016-11-26 10:07] ID=4950 udiWertheimer: one of the great things about it is BLE support, so you can use that with an iOS device as well
[2016-11-26 10:13] ID=4951 DoubleYouSee23: BLE?
[2016-11-26 10:19] ID=4952 udiWertheimer: Bluetooth Low Energy
[2016-11-26 14:45] ID=4953 ???: electrum still a good wallet on windows or something else better out there?
[2016-11-26 14:54] ID=4954 bigs21024: how can i get a key for a certian addy if it changews addy everytime
[2016-11-26 15:34] ID=4955 RE_ID=4954 Rassah: You can't. You have to export the whole xpriv key for the HD wallet. Why do you need a specific key?
[2016-11-26 17:54] ID=4956 bigs21024: for heat i need to send money back from same addy that i sent them btc to and i cant because everyone changes
[2016-11-26 20:36] ID=4957 RE_ID=4956 Rassah: Why do you need to send them money from the same address???
[2016-11-26 20:37] ID=4958 Rassah: If you just need to prove ownership, you can sign a message with that addy
[2016-11-26 20:42] ID=4959 AROMACOMPUTERS: You can export the current priv key, before, you use it to accept funds.
[2016-11-26 20:45] ID=4960 yieldo: If I scan a cold wallet with Mycelium I understand that I have to transfer all funds at once because of the change address, but is it possible to later add new funds to that same cold wallet?
[2016-11-26 20:46] ID=4961 RE_ID=4960 AROMACOMPUTERS: Sure, if I understood that right
[2016-11-26 20:46] ID=4962 Rassah: You can always add funds to any wallet
[2016-11-26 20:46] ID=4963 AROMACOMPUTERS: All or some can be spent
[2016-11-26 20:47] ID=4964 yieldo: So I can add funds to the cold wallet as long as I withdraw all at once with Mycelium in each withdrawal
[2016-11-26 20:48] ID=4965 RE_ID=4964 AROMACOMPUTERS: Robert (A.R.O.M.A.) 🐍 (B.A.G.):\nAll or some can be spent
[2016-11-26 20:50] ID=4966 yieldo: I read something about that on cold wallets it's better to withdraw always all the funds at once because of change address?
[2016-11-26 20:52] ID=4967 RE_ID=4966 AROMACOMPUTERS: "Because of change address", makes no sense.\nBut if yu want to move all the funds to a single cold address... you can.
[2016-11-26 20:52] ID=4968 AROMACOMPUTERS: It just accumulates together
[2016-11-26 21:00] ID=4969 yieldo: As long as I can reuse it then i'm ok, thank you
[2016-11-26 22:43] ID=4970 RE_ID=4966 ShortFatUglyDumb: Address reuse is generally discouraged for all bitcoin use cases, but especially for cold storage. U can look it up, but it comes down 2 better security & privacy.
[2016-11-27 12:38] ID=4971 ???: None
[2016-11-27 20:19] ID=4972 zebbra2014: None
[2016-11-27 21:04] ID=4973 DoubleYouSee23: I'm giving my Luddite friend an old android and a few bitcoins, is there anywhere I can download a mycelium .apk so I don't have to make a Google account for him?
[2016-11-27 21:09] ID=4974 DoubleYouSee23: *millibits. :) I'm not that nice
[2016-11-27 21:25] ID=4975 jandreske: https://wallet.mycelium.com/contact.html
[2016-11-27 22:30] ID=4976 Rassah: Huh. Wonder why it's in contact
[2016-11-27 23:04] ID=4977 RE_ID=4973 rodomonte: dont remember how but its possible to get apk from google store in some ways, find it on google
[2016-11-27 23:04] ID=4978 rodomonte: (with no account)
[2016-11-27 23:05] ID=4979 Rassah: This link has it: https://wallet.mycelium.com/contact.html
[2016-11-27 23:12] ID=4980 rodomonte: uh sorry i dont look at it :(
[2016-11-27 23:13] ID=4981 rodomonte: wow new website its super
[2016-11-28 00:40] ID=4982 DoubleYouSee23: Thanks very much!
[2016-11-28 05:22] ID=4983 DoubleYouSee23: If I'm receiving repeat payments from someone are there any security concerns over loading a unique, passphrase protected trezor account onto mycelium on their phone? That way they can constantly generate new addresses on their own without contacting me?
[2016-11-28 06:10] ID=4984 RE_ID=4983 AROMACOMPUTERS: Can you rephrase?
[2016-11-28 06:12] ID=4985 RE_ID=4983 Rassah: No. No issues. But it may be easier to just export the xpub of that trezor account on your mycelium, and add that on theirs instead. No need to us the trezor to set up at all
[2016-11-28 06:29] ID=4986 RE_ID=4984 DoubleYouSee23: I've for my answer already but: I want to grab my trezor, grab a friends phone, load a new account on his phone using a never before used passphrase on my trezor to generate a new wallet, that way every time he needs to pay me rent I don't have to send him a new address over the net. He just transfers bits into the account with no way of spending them, and I take them out.
[2016-11-28 06:30] ID=4987 Rassah: Easier to set that account up on your own Mycelium, then send him the xpob
[2016-11-28 06:30] ID=4988 DoubleYouSee23: Since that account t is only for his rent he could only see his transactions.
[2016-11-28 06:30] ID=4989 DoubleYouSee23: Thank you very much rassah
[2016-11-28 06:32] ID=4990 DoubleYouSee23: I didn't realize the export exported xpubs. I'm sure I should have known that, but it isn't very clear
[2016-11-28 08:51] ID=4991 Gladpack: I think stealth addresses would have worked for you but not many wallets support it
[2016-11-28 09:04] ID=4992 DoubleYouSee23: If I'm not mistaken samourai will be the first once they are out of beta
[2016-11-28 09:06] ID=4993 RE_ID=4992 AROMACOMPUTERS: Is what 1st
[2016-11-28 09:08] ID=4994 DoubleYouSee23: Wallets that support stealth addresses
[2016-11-28 09:08] ID=4995 AROMACOMPUTERS: Oh
[2016-11-28 09:09] ID=4996 AROMACOMPUTERS: I wish there was a live counter going, kinda like the u.s. national debt clock.\nHow much money has been wasted trying to 1 up Bitcoin.\nIt has to be well over a Billion by now.
[2016-11-28 09:10] ID=4997 DoubleYouSee23: if you mean alt coins its much more than a billion I'm sure
[2016-11-28 09:13] ID=4998 AROMACOMPUTERS: Altcoins, btc hardfork fails, blockchains without the bitcoin, blockchains without the blockchain. Whatever u want to call it. Bundled together.
[2016-11-28 09:16] ID=4999 DoubleYouSee23: That would be an interesting chart to see
[2016-11-28 10:44] ID=5000 jandreske: I wouldn't say it's easy to call out what should be considered "wasted". Exploring what works and what not is valuable. Getting new people interested over hobby projects, etc etc.
[2016-11-28 15:28] ID=5001 Rassah: 
[2016-11-28 15:28] ID=5002 Rassah: 
[2016-11-28 15:29] ID=5003 Rassah: Scam wallet out there
[2016-11-28 17:44] ID=5004 mdrmn: Is mycelium available for ios?
[2016-11-28 17:45] ID=5005 Rassah: Yes
[2016-11-28 17:46] ID=5006 Rassah: It's not as advanced though
[2016-11-29 12:52] ID=5007 rodomonte: there is a super bad error in mycelium trade italian edition, how can i change it? (basially it uses the 3* singular person instead instead of 2* and the resulting sentece looks like the trade is inverted....:/)
[2016-11-29 13:01] ID=5008 cvennekel: you can either join https://crowdin.com/project/mycelium-bitcoin-wallet and change it, then it will find its way into one of the next versions or tell me and i'll do it
[2016-11-29 13:19] ID=5009 rodomonte: fine thanks ;D
[2016-11-29 13:20] ID=5010 rodomonte: (of pms the website that i see now has restricted access)
[2016-11-29 23:34] ID=5011 CoinsTreasure: None
[2016-11-30 02:00] ID=5012 CoinsTreasure: None
[2016-11-30 02:01] ID=5013 CoinsTreasure: None
[2016-11-30 02:09] ID=5014 CoinsTreasure: Each participant of Mass ICO will receive[1,000,000,000,000 × (total amount of all deposits made to one individual account ÷ total amount of deposits made by all ICO participants) × 0.7] Mass coins;\nMass will reserve [1,000,000,000,000 × 0.3] coins altogether for its internal use.
[2016-11-30 02:10] ID=5015 CoinsTreasure: Anybody can explaine this?
[2016-11-30 02:10] ID=5016 CoinsTreasure: Hehehe
[2016-11-30 02:10] ID=5017 CoinsTreasure: I am low in Mathematics...hahaha
[2016-11-30 02:13] ID=5018 CoinsTreasure: #MASS DEV UPDATE NOV.28,2016\n\nIf you are eligible for any of the previous bonuses, the amounts invested before upgrade according to the following “+15% rule”:\nThe 45% bonus (applied from 25th of August to 15th of September) becomes 60%.\nThe 25% bonus (applied from 15th to 30th of September) becomes 40%.\nThe 10% bonus (applied from 1st of October to 1st of November) becomes 25%.\nFor those who have already invested, this final bonus is bigger too: any new amount invested on or after 25th of November is eligible for the bonus of 65%, not 55%.
[2016-11-30 02:17] ID=5019 DoubleYouSee23: afaik mycelium has nothing to do with mass, so you're probably better off trying to find one of their channels or subreddits or whatever
[2016-11-30 02:25] ID=5020 CoinsTreasure: None
[2016-11-30 02:27] ID=5021 CoinsTreasure: None
[2016-11-30 02:28] ID=5022 CoinsTreasure: 😞
[2016-11-30 02:28] ID=5023 CoinsTreasure: 
[2016-11-30 03:32] ID=5024 Rassah: Yeah, we're not involved with Mass, so no idea
[2016-11-30 07:30] ID=5025 DoubleYouSee23: Is the mycelium wallet open source?
[2016-11-30 07:40] ID=5026 Rassah: The current one is public code, and free to develop and contribute to, but restricted from you making copies of your own wallet
[2016-11-30 07:40] ID=5027 Rassah: The new one should be fully open source
[2016-11-30 12:29] ID=5028 RE_ID=5027 whalehunting: Any ETA on the new wallet?
[2016-11-30 14:33] ID=5029 Rassah: Nothing newer than what was posted here
[2016-11-30 14:33] ID=5030 Rassah: http://news.wallet.mycelium.com
[2016-11-30 14:33] ID=5031 RE_ID=5030 Rassah: None
[2016-11-30 14:34] ID=5032 Rassah: We're actually integrating a lot of the new wallet stuff right into the current wallet
[2016-11-30 16:13] ID=5033 RE_ID=5030 whalehunting: Thanks for the link!
[2016-11-30 17:08] ID=5034 DoubleYouSee23: what are the chances the new wallet will be available on fdroid?
[2016-11-30 17:25] ID=5035 Rassah: Hopefully high
[2016-11-30 18:05] ID=5036 DoubleYouSee23: 
[2016-11-30 18:16] ID=5037 Rassah: The long term plan is full open source. Actually we are hoping to make the new wallet completely open source, but I'm just not sure how long it will take until we are ready to completely publish the code, and convince investors that it's a good idea (we're planning on making money on the plugin market, not the wallet itself).
[2016-11-30 18:19] ID=5038 DoubleYouSee23: Yea I'm a MT holder so I remembered most of that. Thanks for the reminder. I hope a couple companies ditch their wallets in favor of yours, there are some ugly buggy wallets out there
[2016-12-01 04:06] ID=5039 CoinsTreasure: None
[2016-12-01 10:11] ID=5040 rodomonte: Doing an exchange on market but it stuck at 99%...
[2016-12-01 10:42] ID=5041 Gladpack: The transaction?
[2016-12-01 11:10] ID=5042 DanielWeigl: for how long? 99% means it has been seen in a lot of connected mempools, the fee is right and no doublespend was detected, but it hasnt confirmed so far
[2016-12-01 13:15] ID=5043 RE_ID=5040 cvennekel: That is the most you will get, 100% = confirmed. It is the confidence that this transaction will win over a double spend attempt, if there would be another transaction that graph would halve and could get to 49% max
[2016-12-01 18:35] ID=5044 rodomonte: Uh sorry yes I get that soon after, I get a slow confirmation... New medal unlocked: first finalized transaction :)
[2016-12-02 02:51] ID=5045 RubenSomsen: Will RBF and CPFP be supported by the old Mycelium wallet? Or is this not going to appear until the new wallet comes out?
[2016-12-02 03:36] ID=5046 RE_ID=5045 Rassah: Probably in the old wallet. We are basically updating the old wallet bit by bit to turn it into the new one
[2016-12-02 03:40] ID=5047 yieldo: Would be awesome to have a video of those functions working, or at least an explanation, they ain't easy to digest
[2016-12-02 03:57] ID=5048 RE_ID=5046 RubenSomsen: Any time frame on this? I'm running a meetup where most of us are using Mycelium and people are getting transactions stuck with no recourse. From my perspective this should have high priority (especially RBF), people are complaining about it a lot.
[2016-12-02 03:58] ID=5049 Rassah: It's still a low priority for us. There's risk of people abusing it for double spending.
[2016-12-02 03:58] ID=5050 Rassah: CPFP we may implement sooner, but we're focused on finishing BitcoinJ and SPV right now
[2016-12-02 03:59] ID=5051 RubenSomsen: I believe Green address has an implementation that disallows changing the outputs, though I am unsure how that affects privacy.
[2016-12-02 04:01] ID=5052 RubenSomsen: SPV is great, but what do I say to someone who uses Mycelium and literally loses control of his money due to this?
[2016-12-02 04:01] ID=5053 Rassah: Ask them to email Bitcoin Core support please
[2016-12-02 04:02] ID=5054 Rassah: They are apparently still convinced this isn't a problem. Probably because all the complaints and issues go to end wallets instead of them.
[2016-12-02 04:03] ID=5055 RubenSomsen: So you think blocks should never be full?
[2016-12-02 04:12] ID=5056 Rassah: That would be good, yes
[2016-12-02 04:13] ID=5057 AROMACOMPUTERS: I mainly use bitcoin-qt & rarely have an issue getting in decently fast, with only slightly sliding the (transaction fee bar) a few clicks the the right.  Core doesnt have a low prioirty high priority, just a slider bar or manual entry.  With a choice to add to or subtract from amount sent.
[2016-12-02 04:15] ID=5058 AROMACOMPUTERS: It does however constantly adjust the amount for a fee, if you set it up to send and just watch it.
[2016-12-02 04:20] ID=5059 RubenSomsen: None
[2016-12-02 04:25] ID=5060 RE_ID=5056 RubenSomsen: Do you think core controls the block size?
[2016-12-02 04:26] ID=5061 Rassah: In a way
[2016-12-02 04:27] ID=5062 Rassah: Miners in China want to use "respectable" core clients, as they said, so they basically do whatever Core decides
[2016-12-02 04:28] ID=5063 RubenSomsen: So maybe I should complain to miners?
[2016-12-02 04:29] ID=5064 Rassah: Miners are now complaining themselves too, so I think they're aware
[2016-12-02 04:31] ID=5065 RubenSomsen: So there is an implementable solution to the problem Mycelium users are experiencing, but your advice is to complain to a decentralized community of people?
[2016-12-02 04:35] ID=5066 RubenSomsen: Sorry if I am putting you on the spot, Rassah. I think Mycelium is a great wallet and I respect your work. I've read quite a few of your Reddit posts.
[2016-12-02 04:48] ID=5067 Rassah: Core isn't that decentralized. There are maybe six key people. And the implementable solution isn't a solution, since once you RBF for a higher fee, so will everyone else
[2016-12-02 04:50] ID=5068 Rassah: So I don't think this will be fixed until SegWit alleviates the problem a bit, or we increase block size, or Lightning Network gets rolled out. At least we're supposedly close with SegWit
[2016-12-02 04:55] ID=5069 Rassah: That's partially why your transactions are getting stuck: the fee that you use, calculated by our wallet from our Core node, is enough to get you included in a block, but someone else wants to get included too, so the fee they calculate when they send right after you is higher than yours. And the next person is sending an even higher one. With RBF you'd just be fighting for space until one of you gives up
[2016-12-02 04:56] ID=5070 Rassah: What I do is split my amounts into smaller pieces. So if I get 1BTC from someone, I send 0.5BTC to my own wallet (or two 0.33BTC amounts). That way only one of my inputs gets stuck
[2016-12-02 05:01] ID=5071 RubenSomsen: There are a lot of things I view differently, but let's focus on the user experience. You are already trying to outbid the opposition by estimating fees, RBF is just an extension of that. If you think estimating a fee is valuable, then so is RBF. It just allows you to make a new estimate if your first guess proves ineffective (which I agree is not in your control).
[2016-12-02 05:05] ID=5072 RubenSomsen: And even if the block size was dynamic, there would always be some kind of limit ('free' space would be utilized by spam, which frankly should be priced out of the market). So there would always be a fee market. And so transactions could always get stuck without RBF/CPFP.
[2016-12-02 05:07] ID=5073 RubenSomsen: And even if you think the size limit should never be reached, that is not the current reality, and I think you acknowledge that based on what you said.
[2016-12-02 05:09] ID=5074 RubenSomsen: *acknowledge that this probably won't change any time soon, I mean
[2016-12-02 05:18] ID=5075 RE_ID=5071 Gladpack: And when you make a new estimate, don't you think others will as well?
[2016-12-02 05:26] ID=5076 Rassah: We don't exactly have the resources to spare
[2016-12-02 05:27] ID=5077 RE_ID=5075 RubenSomsen: Yes, until someone gets priced out of the market (spam first). Whether we like it or not, we currently have a fee market and that is not going to change any time soon (if ever). We can either allow people to participate in the fee market or have their transactions get stuck with nothing they can do.
[2016-12-02 05:28] ID=5078 Rassah: It's not a very good fee market. I would rather have a fee market where fees reach a point where they match the cost involved with processing them. Even if it's spam, if enough fees are paid, that's fine. Currently we have an artificially limited fee market that has no real bearing on actual costs involved
[2016-12-02 05:29] ID=5079 RE_ID=5076 RubenSomsen: Resources are allocated by priority. I have tried to make a convincing argument why this problem should have a higher priority than it currently has. I like Mycelium, but if a wallet comes along that solves this issue and is equally solid, me and a lot of others will probably change wallet.
[2016-12-02 05:30] ID=5080 RubenSomsen: I think that would be a shame, so I hope you will consider my opinion.
[2016-12-02 05:31] ID=5081 RubenSomsen: I gotta go now, but thank you for sharing your opinion. I don't think any of it was unreasonable.
[2016-12-02 05:31] ID=5082 Rassah: I'm personally under the assumption that this fix won't actually fix the problem, but if it does, we can change priorities
[2016-12-02 05:31] ID=5083 Rassah: We are a small team writing an entire app, so that's why we have to be careful with where we put our resources
[2016-12-02 05:32] ID=5084 Rassah: In the mean time, do the split of funds like I suggested
[2016-12-02 05:32] ID=5085 Rassah: Then it's not your funds that are locked, but whoever is receiving them
[2016-12-02 05:33] ID=5086 RubenSomsen: My perspective is that of a meetup organizer who meets a lot of new bitcoin user. I don't think I could recommend that to new users, but I will keep it in mind for myself. Thanks.
[2016-12-02 05:33] ID=5087 RubenSomsen: None
[2016-12-02 05:34] ID=5088 Rassah: Thanks for doing that. We do keep on top of this. We actually discussed RBF and CPFP earlier this week
[2016-12-02 05:46] ID=5089 yieldo: Could you please add two mexican exchanges to the list of the wallet? they're volabit.com and bitso.com they both have an API 😊
[2016-12-02 05:47] ID=5090 yieldo: I can contact the exchanges to ask for information if needed
[2016-12-02 05:48] ID=5091 benmcdonald: I would like to add to the replace by fee conversation. The blocksize limit is not artificial if it represents a real constraint on the network's ability to handle large blocks.\n\nOn replace by fee. To me replace by fee has always been the network default even if it was only recently coded into the project. Miners and blocks are the part of the network governed by game theory. Each miner should be incentivised in such a way that if they act in their selfish interests it will lead to strengthing the network. Miners are already incentivised to only accept the transactions with the highest fees. This is the stable equilibrium.
[2016-12-02 05:51] ID=5092 Rassah: You can already send yourself your own funds with a higher fee in hopes that a miner will grab your old transaction with your new one too
[2016-12-02 06:37] ID=5093 RE_ID=5092 ShortFatUglyDumb: And isn't this CPFP? And do most miners do that -- take into account unconfirmed parent transactions and review total fees when deciding to mine into a block?
[2016-12-02 06:39] ID=5094 ShortFatUglyDumb: Small UI request: on the send screen, where the fee appears (0.123mBTC, $0.92) -- could you guys also show the fee in Satoshis per byte? I know you show it afterwards on the transaction details screen, but during fee selection would help too.
[2016-12-02 06:43] ID=5095 RE_ID=5093 Rassah: Not exactly, and not all miners
[2016-12-02 06:43] ID=5096 ShortFatUglyDumb: And also, being able to specify a custom fee, in denominations of sat/b, would also help those of us who want to try to prevent stuck transactions. (Thx.) There are a few websites that show real-time transactions delays, per fee-range. Like: https://www.bitcoinqueue.com/live.html
[2016-12-02 06:47] ID=5097 RE_ID=5092 benmcdonald: Isn't this solution suboptimal? Resending my wallet would include a lot of outputs in a new transaction. That would add more fees and delays
[2016-12-02 06:49] ID=5098 Rassah: Yep
[2016-12-02 06:58] ID=5099 RE_ID=5092 abeikverdi: I've got a tx stuck with high priority fee even
[2016-12-02 06:59] ID=5100 abeikverdi: The blocksize debate is another story but I would say with the current situation where we have a resource limitation (1mb block size), we are naturally in a fee based market. So from a user's point of view, wallets should allow users to have the flexibility of setting their own fees to participate in this fee market
[2016-12-02 06:59] ID=5101 abeikverdi: Besides, having RBF is quite essential cuz even with high fees set by the user you might still end up having a tx stuck
[2016-12-02 07:01] ID=5102 abeikverdi: Having limited development resources and stuff is understandable and I do appreciate your work and contribution in the community
[2016-12-02 07:02] ID=5103 RE_ID=5102 ShortFatUglyDumb: Agreed.
[2016-12-02 07:02] ID=5104 abeikverdi: But I highly suggest to put RBF and setting manual fee as an advanced feature in your top priority list to implement
[2016-12-02 07:12] ID=5105 Rassah: What would you base your manual fee on?
[2016-12-02 07:21] ID=5106 RE_ID=5105 ShortFatUglyDumb: That Bitcoinqueue URL I mentioned earlier -- I'd go there and eyeball down the Average TX Age (Hours) column and see what high-ish fee would likely bump me to the front of the line w' the most miner visibility. But only if I needed it. I still have a personal policy to often use Economic or Normal fees for non-rushed Mycelium transactions (even if Priority is only a dime more) so I don't add to the fee pressure, and to help leave room for people who need it.
[2016-12-02 07:27] ID=5108 RubenSomsen: Ideally high priority should do that for you, only power users can be trusted to set manual fees responsibly.
[2016-12-02 07:29] ID=5109 AROMACOMPUTERS: Maybe just add a double high pripority.  Or make 10 levels of prority
[2016-12-02 07:34] ID=5110 RE_ID=5105 abeikverdi: My own assumption of how important this transaction is for me and how much I am willing to pay to put it in the next block
[2016-12-02 07:35] ID=5111 abeikverdi: mycelium can definitely guide me to make a reasonable call
[2016-12-02 07:35] ID=5112 abeikverdi: but shouldnt block me from doing so
[2016-12-02 07:35] ID=5113 abeikverdi: while I am able to do that in other wallets
[2016-12-02 07:37] ID=5114 RE_ID=5109 abeikverdi: haha more options definitely help
[2016-12-02 08:37] ID=5116 RE_ID=5109 ShortFatUglyDumb: "Premium Priority" level. Heck, I'd be happy to have Mycelium take a cut of that extra priority fee boost if it wanted.
[2016-12-02 08:38] ID=5117 RE_ID=5106 ShortFatUglyDumb: ...or maybe I'd choose via lazy-guessing: I'd view the Mycelium-determined Priority fee, then add some more satoshis as a custom fee.
[2016-12-02 13:40] ID=5118 Transisto: I'm sending coins within my account and the economic and low priority fee are the same at $0.67 I wouln't mine having my transaction confirmed in 3 days or having my transaction dropped off the mempool.
[2016-12-02 13:48] ID=5119 Transisto: why have so many level if there is not much difference between them.
[2016-12-02 15:21] ID=5120 RE_ID=5089 Rassah: ConTa:\nbitso only has a MXN orderbook and does not supply USD rate via API.\n\nand volabit i can only find send/request payment
[2016-12-02 15:22] ID=5121 RE_ID=5119 Rassah: Normally there is a lot of difference between them, but current situation is very unusual
[2016-12-02 15:38] ID=5122 yieldo: We here in México don't mind usd, we are prohibited to have them by law. And this is what I got from volabit. https://www.volabit.com/api/v1/tickers
[2016-12-02 16:59] ID=5123 KJ: So, how about some updated on the good news for MT holders
[2016-12-02 16:59] ID=5124 KJ: That's why we're all here right ?
[2016-12-02 17:07] ID=5125 Rassah: SPV module should hopefully be available as an installable option within the next week or two. We're fixing automatic fee calculations in CoinShuffle.
[2016-12-02 17:07] ID=5126 Rassah: UI is continuing to be implemented screen by screen
[2016-12-02 17:07] ID=5127 RE_ID=5125 HostFat: 👍
[2016-12-02 18:25] ID=5128 KJ: What was the big news you were talking about recently Rassah
[2016-12-02 18:25] ID=5129 KJ: I recall you saying something that we would all be pleased
[2016-12-02 18:27] ID=5130 Rassah: Press release. Link stickied. Thats by our CEO. I don't know what the good news is.
[2016-12-02 18:51] ID=5131 ???: Anyone know if shapeshift is on telegram here?
[2016-12-02 19:11] ID=5132 GB: Hey @Rassah are there any plans for alternate login pins? Like plausible deniability logins?
[2016-12-02 19:21] ID=5133 RE_ID=5132 Anomaly: 👍
[2016-12-02 19:55] ID=5134 Rassah: Probably. We are striving for the highest score on that bitcoin privacy report
[2016-12-02 22:30] ID=5135 ???: None
[2016-12-02 22:31] ID=5136 ???: How can i tell which address i sent too?
[2016-12-02 22:42] ID=5137 ???: Anyone here?
[2016-12-02 22:44] ID=5138 tasio: i don't understand the question
[2016-12-02 22:44] ID=5139 tasio: you just have to scan or copy-paste the receiver's address
[2016-12-02 22:48] ID=5140 ???: No. I mean i sent money and need to check the address it went too
[2016-12-02 22:50] ID=5141 DoubleYouSee23: Open mycelium> look in transactions> highlight the transaction> click show details
[2016-12-02 22:50] ID=5142 tasio: ah ok. select the transaction on "transactions" and then at the top right corner there are some options
[2016-12-02 22:50] ID=5143 tasio: details there.
[2016-12-02 22:51] ID=5144 Rassah: Yep
[2016-12-02 22:51] ID=5145 tasio: outputs section. one is the address you are sending coins and the other is change (coins coming back to you).
[2016-12-02 22:51] ID=5146 Rassah: Thanks @DoubleYouSee23
[2016-12-02 22:52] ID=5147 DoubleYouSee23: I believe the second output is always the address you sent to @Rassah is that right?
[2016-12-02 22:54] ID=5148 DoubleYouSee23: If not, you can highlight the transaction, and save to address book, to make sure you're watching the addy you sent to, and not your own change address.
[2016-12-02 22:55] ID=5149 ???: But the amount on the second ouput is slightly different then amount i sent. Is that still correct?
[2016-12-02 22:57] ID=5150 tasio: yes, the difference is miner's fees
[2016-12-02 22:59] ID=5151 RE_ID=5150 DoubleYouSee23: I wanted to say that, but I wasn't positive.
[2016-12-02 22:59] ID=5152 RE_ID=5147 Rassah: It's random
[2016-12-02 22:59] ID=5153 RE_ID=5152 DoubleYouSee23: Ty.
[2016-12-02 23:00] ID=5154 ???: Thank you
[2016-12-02 23:01] ID=5155 DoubleYouSee23: Could this be standardized?  Or does the nature of transactions preclude that possibility?
[2016-12-02 23:04] ID=5156 Rassah: Yeah, since we know which money went where we can actually show it
[2016-12-02 23:04] ID=5157 Rassah: That's the plan anyway
[2016-12-02 23:05] ID=5158 Rassah: Next version UI will just show how much you sent and what the fee was separately, and you'll be able to see the actual address sent to after an extra click
[2016-12-02 23:11] ID=5159 DoubleYouSee23: Yay!
[2016-12-02 23:13] ID=5160 DoubleYouSee23: When deleting an account can you please put the name of the account in the deletion pop up? I'm always paranoid I'm deleting the account above or below...
[2016-12-02 23:13] ID=5161 Rassah: HD or single address?
[2016-12-02 23:13] ID=5162 DoubleYouSee23: Other, actually
[2016-12-02 23:14] ID=5163 DoubleYouSee23: But always would be the best ux I think
[2016-12-02 23:14] ID=5164 Rassah: I mean, no. We are doing the minimum we can with the old wallet at this point and focusing on the new one
[2016-12-02 23:14] ID=5165 DoubleYouSee23: Good answer. Ill bug you after the final update
[2016-12-03 09:20] ID=5166 duncanmacleod1: None
[2016-12-03 15:40] ID=5167 Daruhshie: None
[2016-12-03 15:57] ID=5168 Daruhshie: Hi All, nice to meet you. Does MT distribution to the Colu address go auto or manual once every (?)
[2016-12-03 16:40] ID=5169 Daruhshie: and anyone in here know when MASScoin distribution starts?
[2016-12-03 17:03] ID=5170 RE_ID=5168 Rassah: Manual about once a week
[2016-12-03 17:04] ID=5171 Daruhshie: Okay, Thanks
[2016-12-04 09:12] ID=5172 abra_xos: None
[2016-12-04 17:18] ID=5173 uporo: Why are people posting about MASScoin in here?
[2016-12-04 17:26] ID=5174 Daruhshie: Because it seems to be Mycelium related and there are no other communication channels for MASS except email?
[2016-12-04 17:27] ID=5175 Daruhshie: so I presume you were refering to my question, I don't think it was a weird question or in appropriate location.
[2016-12-04 17:30] ID=5176 favdesu: oh my god mass network using this abomination service colu too
[2016-12-04 17:30] ID=5177 RE_ID=5174 Rassah: Mass isn't Mycelium related. We're not involved with Mass and don't know anything about it
[2016-12-04 17:33] ID=5178 Rassah: Our CEO is on the board of Mass, and intends to be it's CEO too (or is already), but he's also on the board of Neft Vodka and a few other companies, and Mycelium doesn't have anything to do with vodka either.
[2016-12-04 17:33] ID=5179 favdesu: and I bet your ceo has a stake in colu too
[2016-12-04 17:34] ID=5180 Rassah: No idea
[2016-12-04 17:35] ID=5181 Daruhshie: Maybe it should 😉
[2016-12-04 17:35] ID=5182 uporo: I could talk about vodka for hours
[2016-12-04 17:35] ID=5183 Rassah: Definitely an indirect one, since we planned to use colored coins for fiat currencies in the Mycelium Card for years now, and have been building our infrastructure on it, but I don't know if he's invested in Colu the company
[2016-12-04 17:36] ID=5184 favdesu: well mycelium and mass using this thing
[2016-12-04 17:37] ID=5185 favdesu: doubt it's a coincidence
[2016-12-04 17:37] ID=5186 Daruhshie: Maybe your CEO should keep a lower profile or prevent start-ups to use his his name as much to prevent these type of confusions..
[2016-12-04 17:37] ID=5187 uporo: thing?
[2016-12-04 17:37] ID=5188 yieldo: I would buy mycelium vodka and pay with bitcoins
[2016-12-04 17:37] ID=5189 RE_ID=5185 Rassah: Bitcoin maximalists...
[2016-12-04 19:56] ID=5190 ???: None
[2016-12-05 22:58] ID=5191 yieldo: What would be the appropriate channel to suggest a new feature or improvement?
[2016-12-05 23:34] ID=5192 jandreske: Mentioning it here is fine, otherwise I guess opening an issue on github helps. Or ideally a pull request with working code.
[2016-12-06 00:42] ID=5193 Rassah: Here is fine. Our devs are on this channel, as is the product manager
[2016-12-06 18:24] ID=5194 AROMACOMPUTERS: Bitcoiner Speaker Drive!\nAnyone that would like to make a speech at 1 or more of the 2017 events scheduled.  PM me & lets discuss it.
[2016-12-07 18:56] ID=5195 AlexRuski: @Rassah what are the latest developments e news? Any news regarding the TOKEN?
[2016-12-07 19:06] ID=5196 Daruhshie: @Rassah and when will there be suport for your own token in the wallet.. I can't say I'm happy with colu sofar and I ahven't even received any tokens in there yet..
[2016-12-07 19:08] ID=5197 RE_ID=5196 AlexRuski: I'm not happy with colu as well(it's ok)but as far as I know everybody already received the tokens
[2016-12-07 19:09] ID=5198 RE_ID=5196 Rassah: @udiWertheimer can you assist?
[2016-12-07 19:09] ID=5199 Daruhshie: Yah well I was a little late.. My problem with Colu is that their service seems to be down every 5 minutes.. atleast that has been my experience the last week
[2016-12-07 19:10] ID=5200 udiWertheimer: @Daruhshie we've been having some problems with the dashboard this last week but as far as i know you should be able to login now
[2016-12-07 19:11] ID=5202 udiWertheimer: Can you elaborate about the problem with your tokens? Did you receive them from Mycelium yet?
[2016-12-07 19:11] ID=5203 Daruhshie: There is little to elaborate in regards to time outs
[2016-12-07 19:12] ID=5204 udiWertheimer: Yeah sorry I accidentally sent the msg before finishing the sentence
[2016-12-07 19:13] ID=5205 Daruhshie: I only reqeated my tokens this week so it could be they simply haven't send them yet. this was more unhappiness about the time-outs
[2016-12-07 19:13] ID=5206 udiWertheimer: you said you didn't receive the tokens, I'm trying to understand if they weren't sent to you yet, or if you're having some problems logging in and seeing your tokens
[2016-12-07 19:13] ID=5207 udiWertheimer: I see
[2016-12-07 19:13] ID=5208 Daruhshie: requated = requested
[2016-12-07 19:14] ID=5209 udiWertheimer: So first of all, @Rassah might be able to help with making sure your tokens are being sent
[2016-12-07 19:15] ID=5210 udiWertheimer: with regards to the timeouts, I'm sorry about that. The Colu Dashboard is a legacy product that we're phasing out right now. It was never meant to be used as a wallet, it's supposed to be a developer tool. We're working together with Mycelium to have support for the tokens in the native wallet and I believe you'll be much happier about it once it's ready
[2016-12-07 19:16] ID=5211 udiWertheimer: Feel free to contact me here on this group and/or send me a personal message if you're having any specific problems
[2016-12-07 19:16] ID=5212 Daruhshie: I am sure I will be and I understand everything is work in progress, happy to get a useful response 😉
[2016-12-07 19:33] ID=5213 AlexRuski: I @Rassah what are the latest developments e news? Any news regarding the TOKEN and the iOS wallet?
[2016-12-07 19:38] ID=5214 RE_ID=5205 Rassah: We send them out once a week now, since most have received theirs. You can submit a support ticket if you want
[2016-12-07 19:40] ID=5215 RE_ID=5213 Rassah: No progress on iOS wallet. Just fixing fee calculation.
[2016-12-08 09:08] ID=5216 Csiganon: None
[2016-12-08 17:27] ID=5217 ???: None
[2016-12-08 17:35] ID=5218 ???: @Rassah, just sent you a message via reddit in regards to something semi-related to mycelium
[2016-12-10 14:14] ID=5219 jdkbbc: None
[2016-12-10 14:38] ID=5220 MrOlu: None
[2016-12-10 23:11] ID=5221 egeneCrypto: None
[2016-12-11 07:31] ID=5222 egeneCrypto: @Rassah, I was wondering how far the process on coinshuffle is.
[2016-12-11 07:41] ID=5223 Rahoos: Mycelium says "No server connection" lately. I'm pretty sure it's Orbot's fault, not Mycelium's, but is anyone else having this issue?
[2016-12-11 09:21] ID=5224 DanielWeigl: @Rahoos , have you startetd Orbot manually? since Android 6.0 you need to ensure it is running and connected on your own
[2016-12-11 09:21] ID=5225 DanielWeigl: Tor Endpoints are working here on my side
[2016-12-11 16:02] ID=5226 Rahoos: I've figured out recently that if I start Mycelium first it'll never connect unless I unchecked using Tor. But now even after rebooting and starting Tor manually first, Tor doesn't always connect. Once or twice I've gone ahead and started Mycelium without Tor running and it asked my permission to start it, and that worked.
[2016-12-11 16:32] ID=5227 Rassah: I just have Tor running in the background all the time, and usually don't have issues
[2016-12-11 16:35] ID=5228 Rahoos: It's working now. I think it was because I had checked Mycelium Wallet (and a few other apps) under "Select Apps" in Tor's settings menu. I thought VPN Apps in the upper left menu was the sane thing, and I had that turned off. So leave that off and uncheck all apps under "Select Apps" and it's working (Orbot on Android 4.4.4).
[2016-12-11 17:28] ID=5229 Rahoos: Weird. If I check Mycelium wallet under Select Apps, Orbot will hang up trying to connect. If I uncheck Mycelium and check a different app, it connects after a while, but in Mycelium the Tor icon just spins endlessly. Uncheck all apps in Tor settings, and Mycelium still indicates it's using Tor, and it connects right away. It might be that I'm just not being patient enough with Tor.
[2016-12-11 21:06] ID=5230 nikelong: None
[2016-12-11 23:48] ID=5231 Transisto: Need expert mode to set manual fee. The mempool got completely drained by is completely empty and I'm being charged 0.48 mBTC for a 3 input transaction at normal, can't go below 0.29mBTC for a low priority.
[2016-12-12 09:42] ID=5232 ShortFatUglyDumb: Opposite use case from the usual for custom fee - wanting ultra-economy instead of uber-priority. Interesting.
[2016-12-12 09:42] ID=5233 RE_ID=5232 AROMACOMPUTERS: Yes, interesting request
[2016-12-12 13:18] ID=5234 painlord2k: An idea could be to allow users with an account with viabtc to automatically send their transaction id to the service to prioritize it.
[2016-12-12 15:51] ID=5235 Gladpack: I like that idea
[2016-12-12 15:58] ID=5236 RE_ID=4133 uporo: So this should be in december?
[2016-12-12 16:18] ID=5237 Rassah: Let me bug them
[2016-12-12 16:21] ID=5238 Rassah: Should've been November. Maybe they got held up with something, or just forgot about us and we forgot to follow through. Sorry.
[2016-12-12 16:29] ID=5239 Daruhshie: What are the alternatives to colu to store MT ?
[2016-12-12 17:01] ID=5240 Rassah: None right now
[2016-12-12 17:02] ID=5241 uporo: Quote From bittrex slack:\n@bittrex-bill were you going to add mycelium tokens?\n\n@user26: maybe.  Need to see some user demand for them
[2016-12-12 17:02] ID=5242 uporo: Twitter spam it is
[2016-12-12 17:03] ID=5243 Rassah: Yep
[2016-12-12 17:07] ID=5244 uporo: https://twitter.com/_user26/status/808357355175944192
[2016-12-12 17:07] ID=5245 uporo: I'll start
[2016-12-12 18:08] ID=5246 RE_ID=5244 Rassah: None
[2016-12-12 19:25] ID=5247 ???: Have we gotten any additional token dispensations, besides the initial buy-in ?
[2016-12-12 20:13] ID=5248 Rassah: No. The initial tokens were the only ones sold so far
[2016-12-13 02:21] ID=5249 bengems: @Rassah do you live in ireland? I simply love that background in your dp
[2016-12-13 04:56] ID=5250 RE_ID=5249 Rassah: No, that's North America
[2016-12-13 07:03] ID=5251 thorbjorn: None
[2016-12-14 15:34] ID=5252 Rassah: From Bittrexx: Our relaunch has been delayed.  We're hoping to wrap up our internal testing by the end of this month but I'm not ready to completely commit to that yet
[2016-12-14 15:34] ID=5253 Rassah: So still delay on getting MT up on there until maybe January
[2016-12-14 18:09] ID=5254 bits_of_change: Has anyone had trouble recently paying a Coinbase invoice (such as via Overstock.com) with Mycelium? I did yesterday:\n\nMycelium defaulted to the payment protocol url upon scanning the QR code, successfully retrieved the payment details, but was unable to reconnect to Coinbase to submit the signed transaction. Multiple attempts led to the same error. I had to manually import the payment data to pay before invoice expiration.\n\nWhile this is most likely Coinbase's problem, Mycelium could gracefully fallback to the URI data it captured in the QR and still allow me to pay, or offer the option to turn off payment protocol handling in settings so I could rescan the QR and pay normally.
[2016-12-14 18:43] ID=5255 RE_ID=5250 bengems: Owk...fantastic
[2016-12-14 23:13] ID=5256 zeepotato: None
[2016-12-14 23:16] ID=5257 RE_ID=5254 Rassah: I had the same problem yesterday too. It's a Coinbase issue. Unfortunately i don't think there's actual payment info in the QR. It gets that from the URL in the QR code. So I'm not sure if a fallback will be possible.
[2016-12-14 23:18] ID=5258 Rassah: Might be risky too. I\nEven if it gets the information to send to, it's supposed to send the signed transaction back to the URL origin and Coinbase is supposed to receive, verify, and broadcast it, but if there's a problem, Coinbase may not even know that it was paid, even if you do broadcast it.
[2016-12-14 23:19] ID=5259 zeepotato: So Mass coin are different from Mycelium token? No relation between Mass and Mycelium whatsoever?
[2016-12-14 23:20] ID=5260 Rassah: Correct
[2016-12-14 23:23] ID=5261 zeepotato: Ty
[2016-12-14 23:30] ID=5262 RE_ID=5257 bits_of_change: From what I saw (I don't have any ready way to test atm), the QR encodes both the regular URI data (address and amount) plus the BIP70 URL at the very end. That way they serve both wallets that do and don't support BIP70. (EDIT: This is actually BIP72 they are following.)\n\nI'm not saying you take the payment protocol details and broadcast a transaction. I'm saying you fallback to the regular BIP 21 data and allow the user to broadcast as if Mycelium was not a BIP 70 wallet.
[2016-12-14 23:42] ID=5263 Rassah: Yeah, I understood.
[2016-12-15 00:20] ID=5264 Bloobum: None
[2016-12-15 00:21] ID=5265 Bloobum: @Rassah I saw you wrote somewhere else the Mycelium is nor related to Mass coin. Isn't Alexander Kuzmin the CEO of Mycelium? And he's the CEO of Mass coin...https://blog.mass.network/greetings-from-mass-ceo-alexander-kuzmin/
[2016-12-15 00:40] ID=5266 RE_ID=5265 Rassah: I'm not sure if he's the CEO yet. He plans to be. But the companies are still separate
[2016-12-15 19:14] ID=5267 The_Neemz: None
[2016-12-15 19:15] ID=5268 The_Neemz: I'm having issue with a transaction taking over 8 hours for a single confirmation I was wondering if I could increase the minning fee with it rebroadcast transaction option available within the mobile application
[2016-12-15 19:17] ID=5269 The_Neemz: Any help will be greatly appreciated as I'm sending it to a Tumblr that only allows 24 hour access to its deposit address =/
[2016-12-15 19:18] ID=5270 yieldo: just for comment, did you use joinmarket?
[2016-12-15 19:19] ID=5271 cvennekel: does it carry a fee?
[2016-12-15 19:19] ID=5272 The_Neemz: ?? I did not and am uneducated as to what that is lol
[2016-12-15 19:19] ID=5273 The_Neemz: I have rebroadcast of the transaction once and I believe it carries the same fee because I was not offered the opportunity to increase the fee
[2016-12-15 19:19] ID=5274 cvennekel: same fee as what
[2016-12-15 19:20] ID=5275 cvennekel: If it has a fee of 0.0001 or more you can try https://www.viabtc.com/tools/txaccelerator/ \nthey will priotize your transaction anyway, it worked for a user I was giving support yesterday
[2016-12-15 19:20] ID=5276 cvennekel: Tx made into next mined block by ViaBTC
[2016-12-15 19:20] ID=5277 yieldo: for future reference, give it a try to joinmarket, it is also a tumbler
[2016-12-15 19:22] ID=5278 cvennekel: Otherwise, you can try https://github.com/achow101/FeeBooster (download jar here: https://github.com/achow101/FeeBooster/releases), which will let you create a CPFP transcation (choose Transaction I received)
[2016-12-15 19:23] ID=5279 The_Neemz: ConTa - I greatly appreciate the suggestion I'll check out both options now you may have just saved my ass!!!
[2016-12-15 19:24] ID=5280 cvennekel: no worries, feel free to mail me at [email protected] if you get stuck
[2016-12-15 19:24] ID=5281 cvennekel: try ViaBTC first
[2016-12-15 19:25] ID=5282 cvennekel: then your tx might confirm while you check out the other options
[2016-12-15 19:25] ID=5283 The_Neemz: Will do I emailed support order today and have heard no reply heard about the telegram and hopped on
[2016-12-15 19:25] ID=5284 cvennekel: oh yeah, sorry about that, trying to crunch out 4 essays by the weekend
[2016-12-15 19:26] ID=5285 cvennekel: will check support desk
[2016-12-15 19:27] ID=5286 The_Neemz: Really quick question in the mycelium app how do I extract my transaction ID needed for viabtc
[2016-12-15 19:31] ID=5287 cvennekel: Android?
[2016-12-15 19:32] ID=5288 cvennekel: Select TX in Transaction Tab, Show Details at top, long-pressing the Hash will copy it to clipboard
[2016-12-15 19:34] ID=5289 The_Neemz: Nailed it again my man ;)
[2016-12-16 03:08] ID=5290 Rassah: https://news.wallet.mycelium.com/update-for-december-more-bitcoin-buying-choices/
[2016-12-16 03:09] ID=5291 RE_ID=5290 Rassah: None
[2016-12-16 03:09] ID=5292 arottma: 👍
[2016-12-16 03:11] ID=5293 FelixWeis: Rasaah: any update on 0-conf push? i think its just so important to see the balance increase without you having to explicitly hit the refresh button. especially for new users i get this "magic" moment so much more with sth like bitcoin wallet for android than mycelium when I gift them their first few bits
[2016-12-16 03:22] ID=5294 Rassah: So low on our priorities we didn't even touch on that, unfortunately
[2016-12-16 03:24] ID=5295 Rassah: We're also not really sure how to do that without severely taxing our servers (imagine hundreds of thousands of people pinging for a push), and without causing severe privacy issues (pushing transactions to known IP addresses)
[2016-12-16 03:25] ID=5296 zeepotato: Nice update
[2016-12-16 03:25] ID=5297 zeepotato: <3 Mycelium
[2016-12-16 03:46] ID=5298 FelixWeis: Rasaah: from my personal experience with over 100 people I personally introduced to bitcoin on my travels I defnatly can say this prioritization should be revised. also push != repeated ping.
[2016-12-16 03:47] ID=5299 FelixWeis: I'm constantly a/b testing different wallets and compare the UX.
[2016-12-16 03:48] ID=5300 Rassah: We're working on the UX. It's either work on UX/UI, SPV, and core of the new wallet, or add a new feature that pings you when you get paid. Sorry, but we just can't spare the developers right now :(
[2016-12-16 03:50] ID=5301 FelixWeis: I know and I respect all the work you do. Competent developers aren't falling from the sky. This is just an FYI and little hint that this particular feature priotization might need a reevaluation.
[2016-12-16 03:51] ID=5302 Rassah: We've had that feature on our to do list for over two years :(
[2016-12-16 03:52] ID=5303 Rassah: Maybe when we're a bit more open source, someone else who wants it enough could code it for us
[2016-12-16 04:03] ID=5304 RE_ID=5303 Anomaly: Really looking forward to this happening! Thanks.
[2016-12-16 06:39] ID=5305 Transisto: "Now we’re excited to announce the integration of our Mycelium Wallet with our Mycelium Swish service to allow you to buy bitcoins directly from your phone using your credit card"
[2016-12-16 06:39] ID=5306 Transisto: HOW ?
[2016-12-16 06:40] ID=5307 Transisto: was that supposed to be in an update ?
[2016-12-16 06:40] ID=5308 Rassah: Check the buy/sell bitcoin button
[2016-12-16 06:41] ID=5309 Transisto: Gildera ?
[2016-12-16 06:41] ID=5310 Rassah: No, after an update there will be an actual Credit Card option. Updates are rolling out
[2016-12-16 06:42] ID=5311 Transisto: Ok, thanks.
[2016-12-16 06:42] ID=5312 RE_ID=5310 AROMACOMPUTERS: Coool
[2016-12-16 06:42] ID=5313 AROMACOMPUTERS: How do they handle charge backs?
[2016-12-16 06:43] ID=5314 Transisto: We always get stuff much later in Canada.
[2016-12-16 06:43] ID=5315 RE_ID=5314 AROMACOMPUTERS: 😂
[2016-12-16 06:45] ID=5316 AROMACOMPUTERS: I assume amex is not accepted?\nI know based on their policies, regardless of facts... if I buy 50 grand worth of btc & tell amex to take it off my bill.  They will.  You can put back month after month, and I can take off month after month, til you sue me.
[2016-12-16 06:45] ID=5317 RE_ID=5313 Rassah: The credit cards required use multiple authentications, so they don't allow you to chargeback
[2016-12-16 06:45] ID=5318 Rassah: I forget the name of the extra security features
[2016-12-16 06:46] ID=5319 Transisto: 3D secure
[2016-12-16 06:46] ID=5320 Transisto: and SecureCode ?
[2016-12-16 06:46] ID=5321 Rassah: Yeah, that
[2016-12-16 06:47] ID=5322 AROMACOMPUTERS: That doesnt change "amex" policy
[2016-12-16 06:47] ID=5323 AROMACOMPUTERS: All facts are disregarded, cust gets what he wants, no question. If I say take it off, its off.
[2016-12-16 06:50] ID=5324 Rassah: I'm not sure how exactly 3D Secure works
[2016-12-16 06:50] ID=5325 AROMACOMPUTERS: I have a strong feeling this is 1 of the bigger reason why circle exited doing it.
[2016-12-16 06:51] ID=5326 AROMACOMPUTERS: The insuarnce on that gets overwhelming as your rates keep going up with more claims
[2016-12-16 06:52] ID=5327 AROMACOMPUTERS: Remembe, a cc transaction is not over with for 180 days, til then its a loan.
[2016-12-16 06:52] ID=5328 Transisto: It's also that payment processor that accept bitcoin company charge an arm and a leg. Like 3% fee + 1$ per TX
[2016-12-16 06:52] ID=5329 RE_ID=5328 AROMACOMPUTERS: Right, til insurance is 3 itself
[2016-12-16 06:53] ID=5330 AROMACOMPUTERS: In btc I have assume high fraud counts
[2016-12-16 10:20] ID=5331 favdesu: I see mycelium swish is running a crowdsale. How many shares are dropped on mycelium token holders?
[2016-12-16 10:43] ID=5332 javisobr: how secure is using coinapult with mycelium?
[2016-12-16 10:49] ID=5333 DanielWeigl: same secure as using coinapult on its own - so you trust a third party to hold your coins and not to disappear with ith
[2016-12-16 10:49] ID=5334 favdesu: Please confirm that this 'Swish Coin' is a scam (they seem to be getting cleverer)\nhttps://www.reddit.com/r/CryptoCurrency/comments/5inj0l/please_confirm_that_this_swish_coin_is_a_scam/
[2016-12-16 10:49] ID=5335 favdesu: Oh nvm
[2016-12-16 11:53] ID=5336 javisobr: thanks @DanielMycelium
[2016-12-16 11:54] ID=5337 javisobr: is there any way to access mycelium coinapult account using the web?
[2016-12-16 11:56] ID=5338 DanielWeigl: yes, but its a bit cumbersome... you need to associate your email address with it (under accounts -> set email), then you need to contact [email protected] with this mailaddress and tell them you want webaccess and then make a password reset via the browser
[2016-12-16 11:58] ID=5339 javisobr: sounds complicated
[2016-12-16 11:58] ID=5340 javisobr: do you plan to make available the option?
[2016-12-16 11:59] ID=5341 bitcoindude: Is the Swish ico email a scam? Looks kind of scammy.
[2016-12-16 12:01] ID=5342 RE_ID=5340 DanielWeigl: its a limitation of coinapult - nothing we can improve here
[2016-12-16 12:05] ID=5343 RE_ID=5341 favdesu: Most likely
[2016-12-16 14:31] ID=5344 GB: Is mycelium swish paying mycelium wallet a fee for integration? Or are they pocketing the whole 11% mark up?
[2016-12-16 14:37] ID=5345 Crypt0naire: I wanted to buy some bitcoin with credit card too directly. But the price of 840€ per Bitcoin stopped me to test this feature. Very sad
[2016-12-16 16:29] ID=5346 yieldo: What do you call "brick and mortar", I don't know the slang...
[2016-12-16 16:32] ID=5347 RE_ID=5331 Rassah: Different companies
[2016-12-16 16:35] ID=5348 RE_ID=5334 Rassah: Yeah, that is what happens when this stuff gets put together and goes out without input from, or even notifying, the community manager 😂
[2016-12-16 16:37] ID=5349 RE_ID=5344 Rassah: I'm trying to get the details. My guess is the 10% markup is to deal with fraud, so that money will mostly stay with Swish.
[2016-12-16 16:38] ID=5350 RE_ID=5346 Rassah: A physical building you can go into to buy things, versus an online only place
[2016-12-16 16:38] ID=5351 yieldo: ooohh
[2016-12-16 20:02] ID=5352 RE_ID=5349 GB: If the wallet isn't monetizing wallet access to something like this (where a 3rd party is directly monetizing) what is the plan to make money? Also, are there country restrictions here?
[2016-12-16 20:13] ID=5353 RE_ID=5352 Rassah: The wallet will monetize from giving access to something like this. It's just that this specifically is a special case, in that both the wallet and the service are owned by overall Mycelium. I just need to find out how the money will be divided.\nI don't know about the county restrictions. Will try to find out too.
[2016-12-16 20:21] ID=5354 GB: The wallet should be charging the same it would charge any other company.  Not doing so would be very bad faith toward token holders.  They would have zero value if this did not happen because it would show all wallet access can just come from mycelium spin offs and pay no fee
[2016-12-16 20:22] ID=5355 GB: Scary precedent being set right now.  If there was a market for MT it would collapse on news like this
[2016-12-16 20:22] ID=5356 Rassah: Companies can't just add stuff to our wallet without our permission. So that won't happen
[2016-12-16 20:23] ID=5357 Rassah: And even if this particular service is free, it's still attracting customers to use our other services
[2016-12-16 20:23] ID=5358 GB: But mycelium can and they just do a JV with the company and all profits go to mycelium and not the wallet
[2016-12-16 20:23] ID=5359 Rassah: The precedent is already set with Glidera, Cashila, Coinapult, and soon a few others
[2016-12-16 20:24] ID=5360 GB: But are they owned by mycelium?
[2016-12-16 20:24] ID=5361 Rassah: No they're not
[2016-12-16 20:24] ID=5362 GB: There is the issue
[2016-12-16 20:24] ID=5363 GB: Conflict of interest
[2016-12-16 20:25] ID=5364 Rassah: I don't follow. Conflict of interest with one company offering a service for free to itself?
[2016-12-16 20:26] ID=5365 GB: Incorrect, wallet and mycelium proper are distinct entities.  They are not the same
[2016-12-16 20:26] ID=5366 GB: Wallet is offer a free service to mycelium proper which is profiting and may have been changed a fee according to the monetization strategy declared by wallet IF the companies were not connected
[2016-12-16 20:30] ID=5367 Rassah: So, the 10% fee is to cover expenses, and also taxes apparently. On capital gains/losses. Remaining profit goes to the overall company
[2016-12-16 20:31] ID=5368 Rassah: Because this is a cross project. Both wallet and the rest of the company are involved (I think Swish uses Gear too)
[2016-12-16 22:18] ID=5369 bigdaddyX: None
[2016-12-16 22:27] ID=5370 bigdaddyX: Sorry first of all to talk about mass here but there is nowhere else to talk about it. There are mycelium devs assigned to the Mass.Network project. That is a fact according to their own LinkedIn profiles. Yet mycelium claims to be totally independent. Mass.network is quickly becoming an elaborate scam and the lack of community interaction is frightening investors. Is there anyone at mycelium who can share some information? As I say there are mycelium employees assigned to mass, so I refuse to believe nobody knows anything.
[2016-12-16 22:49] ID=5371 Rassah: No wallet devs. So we can't help with that and don't know anything about it. We don't even really know much about Swish or Gear. This is a Wallet chat group
[2016-12-16 22:49] ID=5372 Rassah: Which employees are working on Mass? Maybe I can ask
[2016-12-16 22:56] ID=5373 Rassah: The only involvement I'm aware of is the same guy who is working on MT implementation will add Mass, since they both use the same Colu platform, and the CEO of our company plans to take over as CEO of mass to give it some business guidance. I'm not even sure who created Mass :/ It wasn't something that interested us at the time
[2016-12-17 00:54] ID=5374 bigdaddyX: There's some of the core developers from here https://mass.network/team.html
[2016-12-17 00:55] ID=5375 bigdaddyX: It's all very secretive and I'm here only because there are no lines of comms to anyone at mass or mycelium who are involved.
[2016-12-17 00:59] ID=5376 Rassah: Jerome is the guy who is working on Colu integration for Mycelium Wallet, which will support Mass because it also runs on Colu, and Sam is our web developer, I think? I've never heard of any of the others, besides Alexander who's our CEO
[2016-12-17 01:03] ID=5377 Rassah: Huh. Didn't even know Michael used to be the Swish product manager. Oh, I remember Maria too. We hired her as an outside contractor to do the UI design for our new wallet. She wasn't actually part of Mycelium though. She worked in another firm we contracted temporarily.
[2016-12-17 01:04] ID=5378 Rassah: Unfortunately, this is kinda like saying that xBox developers work for Microsoft, so someone from Microsoft Office Exchange division should know something. Sorry.
[2016-12-17 01:55] ID=5379 bigdaddyX: Thanks for responding and I appreciate your feedback.
[2016-12-17 02:35] ID=5380 bigdaddyX: Oh and if anyone in mycelium should ever mention mass to you, please let them know folks have commenced investigations into this fiasco. Thanks again for your time.
[2016-12-17 02:43] ID=5381 Rassah: Thanks for letting us know
[2016-12-17 04:30] ID=5382 stoicsword: None
[2016-12-17 13:13] ID=5383 Ziomik: None
[2016-12-17 17:37] ID=5384 RE_ID=5348 RubenSomsen: Sorry, this answer confuses me. Is swishcoin.com part of Mycelium or is it fake?
[2016-12-17 18:09] ID=5385 RE_ID=5384 Rassah: It is. But I didn't see anything about it and wasn't told to notify anyone of it, so they just pushed out as is, and it ended up being a bit confusing
[2016-12-17 18:10] ID=5386 Rassah: Only reason I know it's not fake is because there is a link to swishcoin on swish.mycelium.com somewhere
[2016-12-17 18:11] ID=5387 bdavid1122: So basically, the part of the wallet that could make money is now a separate part?
[2016-12-17 18:12] ID=5388 RubenSomsen: Thanks for confirming
[2016-12-17 18:12] ID=5389 RE_ID=5387 Rassah: ??
[2016-12-17 18:14] ID=5390 bdavid1122: I guess I don't understand what impact this has on token holders
[2016-12-17 18:15] ID=5391 RubenSomsen: Profits from Swish do not benefit Mycelium Token holders?
[2016-12-17 18:22] ID=5392 Rassah: No they do not
[2016-12-17 18:23] ID=5393 Rassah: Not directly anyway
[2016-12-17 18:29] ID=5394 Transisto: Who's the head decision maker at mycelium vs mycelium wallet?
[2016-12-17 18:32] ID=5395 df: Swish website says "The order point is currently disabled." I bought .1 BTC on the site yesterday. Worked nice.
[2016-12-17 18:43] ID=5396 RE_ID=5394 Rassah: Nikolay is the product manager of all Mycelium, but he mostly makes decisions for all other parts of Mycelium, I'm the product manager for the wallet, so I make all the decisions there. Alexander, our CEO, of course has the right to override our decisions, and does sometimes.
[2016-12-17 20:15] ID=5397 javisobr: it seems that somebody is using the merchant feature just to announce himself. he has got a very good price (inferior to the market), and when I open a trade with him, he just sends me to a webpage
[2016-12-17 20:15] ID=5398 javisobr: his name is c.opencoin
[2016-12-17 20:16] ID=5399 javisobr: and is operating in Madrid, Spain
[2016-12-17 20:21] ID=5400 tasio: Menudo pícaro
[2016-12-17 20:57] ID=5401 Rassah: At least he's just advertising and hopefully not scamming
[2016-12-17 21:33] ID=5402 favdesu: but mycelium is not backlinking to swishcoin whatever
[2016-12-17 21:33] ID=5403 favdesu: that's what makes this looking very shady
[2016-12-17 21:40] ID=5404 RE_ID=5398 cvennekel: Will check, am afk atm. What's the page?
[2016-12-17 21:42] ID=5406 javisobr: 
[2016-12-17 21:43] ID=5407 javisobr: siriusiberia.com & copencoin.com
[2016-12-17 23:17] ID=5408 tasio: I made a deal with them some time ago. The only problem I see is that they're not inicially being announced as a business, but if they accept F2F deals where they are being announced, then I think their act is according to mycellium rules.
[2016-12-18 01:20] ID=5409 javisobr: @tasio they don't accept the prices they put there
[2016-12-18 01:21] ID=5410 javisobr: I have a problem with coinapult at this hour, I cannot send a quantity from a coinapult address
[2016-12-18 01:29] ID=5411 AROMACOMPUTERS: None
[2016-12-18 01:30] ID=5412 RE_ID=5411 AROMACOMPUTERS: ^^ @Copencoin
[2016-12-18 01:30] ID=5413 AROMACOMPUTERS: Afaik he is not a scammer, has been around
[2016-12-18 01:35] ID=5414 RE_ID=5413 javisobr: opened a chat with him, I'll see what he responds
[2016-12-18 01:35] ID=5415 RE_ID=5414 AROMACOMPUTERS: I havent seen him online in quite some time
[2016-12-18 01:35] ID=5416 AROMACOMPUTERS: Prob got sick of the spam
[2016-12-18 01:50] ID=5417 RE_ID=5410 javisobr: somehow this has been solved, but I'm trying to register an email address and never receive the confirmation mail
[2016-12-18 06:36] ID=5418 Copencoin: Hilarious. :-) My name is Dan. I run Copencoin.com and various BTMs. I have ads on mycelium when i am in Spain where I have only good references to the btc broker siriusiberia.com.
[2016-12-18 06:36] ID=5419 Copencoin: This is my ugly mug drinking beer in Copenhagen talking Bitcoin
[2016-12-18 06:37] ID=5420 Copencoin: https://bitjoin.me/2016/05/22/daniel-cappiello-interview/
[2016-12-18 06:38] ID=5421 Copencoin: Ps. Mycelium is a fantastic app and I recommend it all the time.
[2016-12-18 07:49] ID=5422 Rassah: 👍
[2016-12-18 18:37] ID=5423 bits_of_change: I think it is usually taken for granted here that Mycelium is a fantastic wallet and the best for the experienced bitcoiner. Maybe we don't express that often enough. :)
[2016-12-18 18:38] ID=5424 Rassah: Thanks :)
[2016-12-18 23:17] ID=5425 JoaoCanhada: None
[2016-12-18 23:18] ID=5426 JoaoCanhada: Hello guys
[2016-12-18 23:19] ID=5427 CoinsTreasure: Hi Joao
[2016-12-18 23:52] ID=5428 RE_ID=5418 javisobr: problem is that your ads are low price, and when somebody opens a transaction with you, you send him to the webpages, where other prices are in place. Isn't this lying?
[2016-12-19 00:17] ID=5429 Transisto: We have laws againt bait and switch  in my country, where it would force the merchant to sell at advertised price.
[2016-12-19 00:18] ID=5430 Transisto: That might tell you something about how unethical that is.
[2016-12-19 00:27] ID=5431 RE_ID=5428 Crypt0naire: Thats Fraud!
[2016-12-19 00:34] ID=5432 javisobr: probably yes
[2016-12-19 00:34] ID=5433 javisobr: but it is not very severe
[2016-12-19 00:35] ID=5434 javisobr: anyway that makes me not to trust the seller
[2016-12-19 06:06] ID=5435 KJ: Are we all in this group because we're Mycelium Token holders ? Would love to get back to that topic as we are all wondering how all these changes affect our investment (if at all)
[2016-12-19 06:11] ID=5436 RubenSomsen: I wonder if the Mycelium Token holders in here were aware that Swish was separate and does not affect the their token valuation
[2016-12-19 06:46] ID=5437 RE_ID=5436 favdesu: No and that's pretty hilarious. Everything of value seems to be separated
[2016-12-19 06:46] ID=5438 DoubleYouSee23: I was. I read stuff before I invested.
[2016-12-19 07:37] ID=5439 Transisto: It would be great if something of value was to come out of Mycelium before the Token is tradable on an exchange.
[2016-12-19 07:39] ID=5440 Transisto: Default Currency localisaction,  Fee shown in Satoshi/byte, RBF. Are some very basic feature I would like added to Mycelium.   Also we'll need to discuss long term plans to aquire market share.
[2016-12-19 07:40] ID=5441 Transisto: The tragedy of the common mean that people install the first wallet they see in the playstore or bc.info... SADLY!
[2016-12-19 07:40] ID=5442 Transisto: (i meant tragedy of the default)
[2016-12-19 10:42] ID=5443 CoinsTreasure: Mycelium CEO Acquires Mass Network\n\nOctober 10, 2016\n\nSAN FRANCISCO, California — October 10, 2016 — Mass Network on Monday announced it has entered into a definitive agreement under which Alexander Kuzmin, CEO of Mycelium, will acquire Mass Network in an all-cash transaction valued at $1.1 million. Alexander Kuzmin will also become the CEO of Mass. Mass Network and its development team will retain its distinct process, culture, and goals. The transaction is expected to close this calendar year.
[2016-12-19 11:54] ID=5444 CoinsTreasure: here: http://telegram.me/massdev
[2016-12-19 12:06] ID=5445 RE_ID=5440 cvennekel: fee is shown in sat/byte, and we show whether a transaction uses RBF
[2016-12-19 18:07] ID=5446 Daruhshie: None
[2016-12-19 18:12] ID=5447 Daruhshie: @Rassah : you should tell your chieftain to stop using the mycelium name with every project he backs personally. I was planning to jump in on swish but my experience with MASS has prevented me from doing so. Mycelium is getting a really bad name because of the "unrelated" projects.
[2016-12-19 18:13] ID=5448 Rassah: Swish is very much a Mycelium owned project
[2016-12-19 18:14] ID=5449 Rassah: So far the ones owned and developed by Mycelium are Wallet, Card, Swish, and Gear.
[2016-12-19 18:14] ID=5450 Daruhshie: Yes, and they won't get my portion thanks to MASS. And I'm sure I'm not the only one.
[2016-12-19 18:15] ID=5451 Rassah: Not saying you should jump on Swish though. Just FYI.
[2016-12-19 18:15] ID=5452 Rassah: I share your concern. But I don't know enough about Mass yet.
[2016-12-19 18:16] ID=5453 Daruhshie: It's just sad.
[2016-12-19 18:16] ID=5454 SilverWolf8: http://www.newsbtc.com/2016/12/19/bitcoin-friendly-privatbank-nationalized/?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=facebook
[2016-12-19 18:23] ID=5455 Daruhshie: @Rassah : and I haven't received my MT yet , its over a week since I submitted a deposit address generated by colu. Should I ring a bell somewhere?
[2016-12-19 18:23] ID=5456 Daruhshie: Besides here
[2016-12-19 18:24] ID=5457 DoubleYouSee23: You bought MT a week ago? How?
[2016-12-19 18:25] ID=5458 Daruhshie: No. still ico
[2016-12-19 18:26] ID=5459 DoubleYouSee23: Oh.
[2016-12-19 18:27] ID=5460 Daruhshie: So as you may have noticed. I'm not in a rush
[2016-12-19 18:28] ID=5461 Daruhshie: But would like to know what's going on
[2016-12-19 18:30] ID=5462 rodomonte: too manny people on the market just open trades and then disappears...
[2016-12-19 18:30] ID=5463 rodomonte: i will really like some system to stop them but i cant find one....:(
[2016-12-19 18:31] ID=5464 Daruhshie: 
[2016-12-19 18:52] ID=5465 RE_ID=5455 Rassah: Forwarded that to our guy who's responsible for tracking and sending them out
[2016-12-19 18:53] ID=5466 Daruhshie: Thanks
[2016-12-19 18:54] ID=5467 Daruhshie: I also found the MASS group.. as did you I saw.. thanks
[2016-12-19 19:22] ID=5468 GB: @rassah the mycelium seed uses bip39 wordset, right?  Basically wondering if the first four letters to each word are unique for cryptosteel
[2016-12-19 19:33] ID=5469 RE_ID=5468 Rassah: Right on BIP39, don't know about  first four letters
[2016-12-19 19:34] ID=5470 RE_ID=5445 Transisto: It does not show sat/byte when having to decide on a fee,  also so many times the suggested fee is wrong. We want a way to granularely override it.   Mycelium does not support making RBF transactions. Combined with bad fee calculation mycelium is too often either costing too much fee too little and is a major PITA when transaction get stuck.   You should put your 2.0 project on hold and make sure you can send coins from point A to B reliably.
[2016-12-19 19:34] ID=5471 Transisto: Look at my 4-5 issues most of them require very little work.
[2016-12-19 19:37] ID=5472 Rassah: Can you help us code that? The fees are taken from Core (with maybe minor tweaks), so that would be something to bug them about.
[2016-12-19 19:38] ID=5473 Rassah: And the very little work is still weeks of coding, testing, fixing, and checking through beta release. It's unfortunately not as simple as it seems. In software, and especially bitcoin, nothing is
[2016-12-19 19:44] ID=5474 RE_ID=5470 cvennekel: I have yet to get a transaction stuck I do not use lower than normal fee though, \nYou are right, we do not show the sat/byte in send screen, as it is cluttered enough already
[2016-12-19 19:45] ID=5475 cvennekel: I would disagree though that you can't send coins reliably from a to b
[2016-12-19 20:22] ID=5476 Transisto: I run a bitcoin brokering business using mainly mycelium to send and receive transaction,  we're talking about 10000 transaction so far. So i see things most user do not see. Also i see many people first reaction when first using the wallet. I hope I'll be allowed to help guide development of the new mycelium when a private beta is available.
[2016-12-19 20:47] ID=5477 RE_ID=5435 ShortFatUglyDumb: This group is for anything Mycelium Wallet related (IIRC).
[2016-12-19 20:48] ID=5478 RE_ID=5468 ShortFatUglyDumb: I think the BIP39 wordset (2048 words) was designed so that only 3 or 4 initial letters uniquely selects/defines the words. A clever usability feature.
[2016-12-19 20:49] ID=5479 GB: It is, I just looked it up :)
[2016-12-19 22:22] ID=5480 sec ond: Zcash is similar to Bitcoin，will it be supported soon，it is very hot now
[2016-12-19 22:24] ID=5481 RE_ID=5480 Rassah: Not soon, no. We still have a bit oof work to do before we get to that point
[2016-12-19 22:30] ID=5482 RE_ID=5480 AROMACOMPUTERS: Lol
[2016-12-19 22:42] ID=5483 ShortFatUglyDumb: I'm not sure how "hot" Zcash is currently. It's so new. And its price just keeps dropping lately.
[2016-12-20 09:13] ID=5484 sec ond: Zcash is very similar to Bitcoin. It should be easy to do it. Little workload but has high return.
[2016-12-20 09:16] ID=5485 sec ond: Chance is there because no one doing. Jaxx is doing it now
[2016-12-20 09:20] ID=5486 AROMACOMPUTERS: Clamcoin is very very similar to Bitcoin
[2016-12-20 16:34] ID=5487 Rahoos: Question on using Mycelium wallet more privately:\nWhen I started mining with [some mining pool] I set my Coinbase address as my payout address. Later when I got Mycelium wallet I changed my payout address to one generated by Mycelium. It's a serious hassle to change the payout address so I haven't touched it since then. Once or twice a month I send BTC from Mycelium wallet to Coinbase so I can deposit funds in my checking account to pay the electric bill. I've been assuming Mycelium wallet automatically using a new address for every transaction meant my transactions wouldn't be linked together. However, because all the Coinbase transactions I've made can be traced back to that same Mycelium address that I used as my mining payout address, anybody could examine that address and see what other amounts I've sent from that address to somewhere besides Bitcoin. Right?\nI'm going to try LocalTrader, but if I had to use Coinbase, is there anything I could have done besides tumbling between the mining pool and Coinbase? Also, before I start using LocalTrader I should change my payout address.
[2016-12-20 16:40] ID=5488 jandreske: Mycelium uses a new change address every time, and it generates a new receiving address every time the current one gets used. \nBut it cannot do anything about you re-using one receiving address. But there are options.
[2016-12-20 16:43] ID=5489 jandreske: So I don't know whether your pool supports that, but maybe you can enter an xpub key of one (dedicated) HD account for payout. That way the pool can generate a fresh address to pay to each time. Might not be supported, though. \n\nYou could also use a fixed address for payouts and then after each payout send all the money to your own HD account. The pool payouts would still be linked together, but an outside observer wouldnt trivially know whether from that address onwards funds were sent to yourself, someone else, etc.
[2016-12-20 16:45] ID=5490 jandreske: You could of course do mixing or tumbling, but that comes with the risk of getting scammed and with the risk of getting flagged for suspicious activity by coinbase. They don't mind receiving mining rewards as much as they mind getting mixed coins which could as well be darknet market proceedings etc.
[2016-12-20 16:46] ID=5491 jandreske: In the end, the key point is probably that address reuse is bad, and if there is enough user demand for better, smarter payouts, things might improve.
[2016-12-20 17:10] ID=5492 tasio: For me it's strange: If you are worried about your privacy, why are you using Coinbase? Next thing should be ask your pool to accept xpub for payout so you can stop reusing addresses.
[2016-12-20 17:11] ID=5493 tasio: I saw you are going to use Local Trader. Good choice. Another option is Bitsquare. Give it a try.
[2016-12-20 17:13] ID=5494 Rahoos: Thanks, Jan.\nTas, I wasn't as concerned when I started, and then it was convenient to not worry about Coinbase's faults until now. Yes, main lesson here is I shouldn't have been using Coinbase. The guy I bought my first miner from and another respected acquaintance both recommended it, and I didn't know any better.
[2016-12-20 19:00] ID=5495 ???: Any idea when updates adding swish will roll out?  Still operating on v 2.8.5 and it says its up to date.
[2016-12-20 19:33] ID=5496 jandreske: I assume it is a staged rollout, so a random number of people (fixed percentage) gets the update, and if everything looks cool it is then rolled out to everybody. \nIf you want to have new stuff available right away, you could enable beta versions.
[2016-12-20 19:38] ID=5497 tasio: @Rahoos I'm glad to hear you're trying to leave coinbase.
[2016-12-20 20:33] ID=5498 DoubleYouSee23: If youre mining or working for Bitcoin, and spending btc then exchanges are kinda moot, but before you hate on coinbase too much ask yourself where the average person could ever get bitcoin?
[2016-12-20 20:37] ID=5499 SilverWolf8: bitsquare
[2016-12-20 21:09] ID=5500 DoubleYouSee23: Bitsquare, mlt, and lbtc are all hit or miss options for random amounts at random intervals. I absolutely love mycelium local trader, but none of the things posted even come close to replacing coinbase.
[2016-12-20 21:45] ID=5501 Buddash: None
[2016-12-21 00:08] ID=5502 franull: WTS MT\n\nIf you're interested please send a direct message\n\nThx 👍
[2016-12-21 01:18] ID=5503 Rahoos: Can an exchange substitute for a mixing service for the purpose of masking the mining pool origin? For example, mining pool to static wallet address, Shapeshift to Darkcoin or Monero or whatever, Shapeshift back to BTC at new address. Could an investigator follow the trail?
[2016-12-21 03:10] ID=5504 yieldo: Not after monero
[2016-12-21 03:16] ID=5505 Anomaly: I'd prefer to see all wallet transactions by default just go thru built-in Mycelium tumbler (forget what it's name is). Wallet users could just 'opt out', if they wanted...but otherwise everyone else is tumbled). This might give much simpler/better privacy than making it 'opt IN'...IMO
[2016-12-21 03:21] ID=5506 AROMACOMPUTERS: Tumbling adds to the taint score doesnt it?\n"Some" people dont want to.  Ie, youd have to then make like 5 transactions to cold addresses, slowly.  Just to get outside the aml compliance window.
[2016-12-21 03:23] ID=5507 AROMACOMPUTERS: Those who do "want to", are far more likely to tap opt in, than unknowing users afftected by it.
[2016-12-21 03:27] ID=5508 ShortFatUglyDumb: "mining pool to static wallet address, Shapeshift to Darkcoin or Monero or whatever, Shapeshift back to BTC at new address." -- Just make sure you wait a while so ShapeShift doesn't send u back ur own BTC coins from earlier. Also remember they charge an implicit fee on trades, so you'll pay in each direction.
[2016-12-21 03:29] ID=5509 Rassah: And if you send $72, then ask to get $72 back, it's each enough to guess both those amounts belong to you
[2016-12-21 03:30] ID=5510 Anomaly: My understanding is built in tumbler is 'private' and decentralised...not like a public tumbler /IP address. Someone correct me if I'm wrong.
[2016-12-21 03:30] ID=5511 Rassah: You're correct
[2016-12-21 03:31] ID=5512 Anomaly: This will be a genuinely valuable feature for Mycelium wallet users! Thanks! 👍
[2016-12-21 03:32] ID=5513 Rassah: I hope so. It has taken a whole lot of time and man hours to do
[2016-12-21 03:35] ID=5514 RE_ID=5512 ShortFatUglyDumb: I agree, and looking 4wd 2 it. I wud imagine it'll draw in lots of brand new Myc users as well. AFAIK, there currently isn't such a decentralized CoinJoin/CoinShuffle ez-2-use tumbler out in the wild. (JoinMarket requires a bit of setup and a learning curve.)
[2016-12-21 05:41] ID=5515 yieldo: But tumbling in btc isn't safe, there are tools to analyse the transactions, i'd do the btc -> xmr, wait a little and then transfer it back, or even wait a little to see if price jumps and then back to btc
[2016-12-21 05:41] ID=5516 yieldo: But the second part using another exchange
[2016-12-21 05:50] ID=5517 RE_ID=5515 Anomaly: I'm not clear on how it's not safe..If tumbling is decentralized & private as done within mycelium.
[2016-12-21 05:55] ID=5518 yieldo: The trail of bitcoin is reversible, and mycelium is great, just not the ultimate bitcoin anonymous solution, hence the xmr alternative
[2016-12-21 06:11] ID=5519 RE_ID=5518 Anomaly: That's what I'm not clear about... Exactly *how* it's reversible if done through mycelium's decentralized tumbler. @Rassah can you clarify?
[2016-12-21 06:20] ID=5520 yieldo: It's not related to mycelium, it's bitcoin design. If you are in turkey, and your anonimity is top priority, I would convert btc to xmr and then back to btc instead of tumbling the btc
[2016-12-21 06:36] ID=5521 ???: None
[2016-12-21 06:37] ID=5522 ???: how do we trade our MT tokens?
[2016-12-21 08:35] ID=5523 Qblu32ooth: None
[2016-12-21 08:36] ID=5524 Qblu32ooth: Got an error message saying order point is currently disabled swish
[2016-12-21 08:54] ID=5525 RE_ID=5520 cvennekel: https://live.blockcypher.com/btc-testnet/tx/fa2c68adadc69fe0d5d91b4f732b8ccbd04851aca214009bcf6d7142a07950f7/\n\nyou do hide in a crowd though adding plausible deniability,\nif tumblebit takes off, you swap coins that are not linked with each other
[2016-12-21 13:57] ID=5526 yieldo: There are situations where deniability isn't as cool as it sounds\nhttps://reddit.com/comments/5jh26b/comment/dbg8efq
[2016-12-21 14:01] ID=5527 cvennekel: That is something you might want to think about before shuffling coins anyway
[2016-12-21 14:08] ID=5528 CryptoBNS: None
[2016-12-21 14:38] ID=5529 RE_ID=5520 Rassah: Tumbling would make it as good as other anonymous crypto, since it would be doing exactly the same things as they do. Just on the wallets instead of nodes
[2016-12-21 14:40] ID=5530 Rassah: Basically with CoinShuffle, and especially if SegWit is added, Bitcoin will be exactly the same as monero
[2016-12-21 14:41] ID=5531 yieldo: Tumbling is ok for sending btc to coinbase from cloudbet, but not enough if your safety depends on it, having the option like monero and 5 minutes to do it
[2016-12-21 14:42] ID=5532 Rassah: Monero also tumbles. It's just a tumbler built into nodes
[2016-12-21 14:43] ID=5533 Rassah: Just tumble with every transaction, and after maybe 5 or so you are completely untraceable
[2016-12-21 15:31] ID=5534 RE_ID=5530 painlord2k: I think we can kiss goodbye to SegWit.\nGiven the numbers in opposition it is matemathically impossible for it to pass.\n@ 93% of hashrate there is like 0.5% over 26 attempts (and 3 are already spent)\n@ 85% it is more probable to see pigs fly with angel's wings.\n.
[2016-12-21 15:31] ID=5535 painlord2k: The good part is I think we can do the same with FlexTrans when it come out.
[2016-12-21 18:15] ID=5536 Qblu32ooth: Trying to buy some coin...\nGot an error message saying order point is currently disabled swish please advise
[2016-12-21 18:21] ID=5537 RE_ID=5534 Rassah: I'm hoping it won't be given up on and will just keep being attempted until it's accepted. Is FlexTrans any different?
[2016-12-21 18:21] ID=5538 RE_ID=5536 Rassah: That may be a support question to Swish, sorry.
[2016-12-21 18:22] ID=5539 Qblu32ooth: Are you still in DC? @Rassah
[2016-12-21 18:23] ID=5540 Rassah: Near-ish
[2016-12-21 18:28] ID=5541 Qblu32ooth: You going to Miami for bitcoin blockchain conference?
[2016-12-21 18:29] ID=5542 Qblu32ooth: I'm still looking to get an entropy @Rassah
[2016-12-21 18:30] ID=5543 Qblu32ooth: I had a ledger unplugged that was hooked into my mycelium that went bad... It won't read after I hard reset the phone....
[2016-12-21 18:41] ID=5544 Rassah: I'm going to Miami, yes. We don't have any entropies left. Was Ledger not able to help you or replace that for you?
[2016-12-21 19:05] ID=5545 ???: None
[2016-12-21 19:09] ID=5546 ???: Holding my long term MT and now buying this https://btggo.net/ico.php
[2016-12-21 19:21] ID=5547 RE_ID=5546 Buddash: no tooo much information on homepage. And I am believer..?
[2016-12-21 19:25] ID=5548 ???: They are on bitcointalk too
[2016-12-21 19:25] ID=5549 ???: I checked the whitepaper
[2016-12-21 19:27] ID=5550 Rassah: A lot of scams are on bitcointalk :/
[2016-12-21 19:27] ID=5551 Rassah: Honestly there's still no better investment than Bitcoin. Don't invest more than you would regret losing later
[2016-12-21 19:27] ID=5552 Buddash: just found it as well. nice thing. police orders a guy, he comes to the police and will be arrested for not paying taxes for providing services. Nice thing for police, they can improve their statistic radically.
[2016-12-21 19:30] ID=5553 Daruhshie: I'll be happy when this wallet will accept its own token and a few others it's related to. I hate have my assets on web based services
[2016-12-21 19:32] ID=5554 Daruhshie: whats the ata for MT support in the wallet with some ledger or trezor backing?
[2016-12-21 19:34] ID=5555 RE_ID=5553 Rassah: I'll be happy too. Honestly I'm very uphappy that it isn't supported yet. Unfortunately I can't control everything. The ETA for at least basic support is hopefully a few weeks. The base code has been done in early November, now it's just implementing it in the wallet itself and testing to make sure it doesn't break anything.
[2016-12-21 19:34] ID=5556 Rassah: Don't know about hardware wallet support though
[2016-12-21 19:38] ID=5557 Daruhshie: It's time for a one stop multi chain compatible wallet with HD support for all, I hope Mycelieum will work towards that. I'm fed up having 1000000 accounts and password and and and 😃
[2016-12-21 19:38] ID=5558 Rassah: that is what we are working on. But that requires us to completely rewrite the backend to support multiple accounts, whereas the wallet was written with bitcoin specific for everything
[2016-12-21 19:39] ID=5559 Rassah: Just takes much longer than anyone wants, unfortunately
[2016-12-21 19:39] ID=5560 Rassah: But we're having a lot of progress. Which, being the backend, is not really visible to users either, also unfortunately
[2016-12-21 19:40] ID=5561 Daruhshie: I understand it's not easy 😉 else there would be a selection off such options .. the first one to achieve it will grab enormous market share though
[2016-12-21 19:41] ID=5562 Daruhshie: I like your wallet for bitcoin, I'll add the rest as they become supported
[2016-12-21 19:42] ID=5563 Rassah: There's already a wallet that supports multiple currencies out there though
[2016-12-21 19:42] ID=5564 Rassah: I don't know how secure it is though, so I can't really recommend it one way or another
[2016-12-21 19:42] ID=5565 Daruhshie: does it support HD
[2016-12-21 19:42] ID=5566 Daruhshie: trezor or ledger?
[2016-12-21 19:43] ID=5567 Daruhshie: and I know there are some multi currency wallets but none have support for all
[2016-12-21 19:43] ID=5568 Daruhshie: 😉
[2016-12-21 19:45] ID=5569 Rassah: Don't know about HD, and I don't think any wallet supports hardware on the phone besides ours
[2016-12-21 19:47] ID=5570 Daruhshie: We'll see, looking forward to updates and progress
[2016-12-21 21:58] ID=5571 RE_ID=5537 painlord2k: https://zander.github.io/posts/Flexible_Transactions/
[2016-12-21 21:59] ID=5572 painlord2k: https://github.com/bitcoinclassic/transactions
[2016-12-21 22:00] ID=5573 painlord2k: Further advantages;\n\nSolving the malleability problem becomes trivial.\nWe solve the quadratic hashing issue.\ntag based systems allow you to skip writing of unused or default values.\nSince we are changing things anyway, we can default to use only var-int encoded data instead of having 3 different types in transactions.\nAdding a new tag later, (for instance ScriptVersion) is easy and doesn't require further changes to the transaction data structure. All old clients can still make sense of all the known data.\nThe actual transaction turns out to be about 3% shorter average (calculated over 200K transactions)\nWhere SegWit adds a huge amount of technical debt, my Flexible Transactions proposal instead amortizes a good chunk of technical debt.
[2016-12-21 22:05] ID=5574 Rassah: What's the quadratic hashing issue?
[2016-12-21 22:10] ID=5575 painlord2k: https://bitcoinclassic.com/devel/Quadratic%20Hashing.html
[2016-12-21 22:11] ID=5576 painlord2k: How does Flexible Transactions solve this?\nThe solution is rather simple and elegant, we replaced repeated hashing of the entire transaction with using the transaction-ID (and some other parts) as the input of a signature. This means that the size of the transaction no longer is relevant and it only needs to be calculated once, regardless of the amount of inputs
[2016-12-21 22:13] ID=5577 RE_ID=5489 Rahoos: @Jan,  I'm finally trying to set this up. In Mycelium, I created a new HD account, then exported it. I see a QR code and an address that begins with xpub...\nThat's the xpub key, right?\nSo if Slushpool supports it, I can just paste that address in a my payout address and they'll be able to generate a new address for each payout?
[2016-12-21 22:29] ID=5578 jandreske: Yes, with the xpub, all addresses in that HD account can be generated. So if someone gets it, it is obviously bad for your privacy. But if you only give it to one pool and don't use it for anything else it doesn't matter, since the pool would know every payment sent to you anyway.
[2016-12-21 22:30] ID=5579 jandreske: When scanning the QR code of an xpub key with mycelium, it will generate the next unused address on that account for sending money to it, for example. \nI use that for having HD paper wallets.
[2016-12-21 22:30] ID=5580 Rahoos: 
[2016-12-21 22:30] ID=5581 Rahoos: Perfect. But Slushpool apparently doesn't support it.
[2016-12-21 22:31] ID=5582 Rassah: Unfortunately pools generally do not
[2016-12-21 22:31] ID=5583 Rassah: So, give a private address on an account not linked to your real identity, and tumble the proceedings
[2016-12-21 22:33] ID=5584 Rahoos: Hm. Really looking forward to Coinshuffle.
[2016-12-21 22:54] ID=5585 Qblu32ooth: does coinshuffle eliminate the need for a wallet that accurately records your gains or losses... if you where to comply with "tax laws"
[2016-12-21 22:58] ID=5586 Rassah: Uh.....
[2016-12-21 22:59] ID=5587 Rassah: The only thing it would eliminate is if you decided not to comply with tax laws, but shuffling your coins doesn't excuse you from tracking capital gains
[2016-12-22 21:58] ID=5588 AROMACOMPUTERS: 
[2016-12-22 22:58] ID=5589 yieldo: XD
[2016-12-22 22:59] ID=5590 Rassah: What did I miss?
[2016-12-23 07:33] ID=5591 RE_ID=5590 CoinsTreasure: Dnu:\nHello, evryone, we began checking bounty program participants and paying them their bonuses. \nWe are also organizing a forum/support/helpdesk here https://mass.userecho.com. \nThis telegram group will remain active but communicating at https://mass.userecho.com will have higher priority.
[2016-12-23 07:39] ID=5592 CryptoBNS: Where do I find the mass telegram group?
[2016-12-23 07:42] ID=5593 RE_ID=5592 Crypt0naire: https://telegram.me/joinchat/CSvKUT_BPCRkE0hzGymxcQ
[2016-12-23 07:42] ID=5594 CryptoBNS: Thanks!
[2016-12-23 07:43] ID=5595 RE_ID=5594 Crypt0naire: Always welcome!!
[2016-12-24 00:12] ID=5596 CoinsTreasure: None
[2016-12-24 11:27] ID=5597 CoinsTreasure: MERRY CHRISTMAS EVERYONE🎄🎄🎄🎄🎄🎄🎄🎄🎄🎄🎄🎄
[2016-12-24 12:58] ID=5598 sprks: hi guys,
[2016-12-24 12:59] ID=5599 sprks: can will still 'sign messages'  or sign an address from the Mycelium Android wallet..  I can't seem to find the option..
[2016-12-24 13:03] ID=5600 sprks: found it
[2016-12-24 13:22] ID=5601 RE_ID=5597 bengems: Hey...same here
[2016-12-24 17:47] ID=5602 RE_ID=5597 bits_of_change: 🎅👍
[2016-12-24 18:34] ID=5603 CrytoCharly: Mark Stevenson is a CIA spy
[2016-12-24 18:35] ID=5604 CrytoCharly: Hacker
[2016-12-24 22:36] ID=5605 AROMACOMPUTERS: Lol what?
[2016-12-24 22:36] ID=5606 AROMACOMPUTERS: Whos a spy?
[2016-12-25 05:03] ID=5608 DoubleYouSee23: Lol. You just killed my Christmas spirit
[2016-12-25 05:09] ID=5609 Rahoos: Citi card reminded me recently that it's better to give than to receive. They suggested I give myself a nice vacation (using their credit card).
[2016-12-26 14:58] ID=5610 btcdrak: when is the ETA for altcoin support in Mycelium? @Rassah
[2016-12-26 18:32] ID=5612 RE_ID=5241 bigs21024: that would be nice
[2016-12-27 21:54] ID=5613 bits_of_change: You know, Jon Hoos in this article makes a good case that an "average cost" feature should be added to wallets to help users understand their total gain or loss relative to a fiat reference, and with Mycelium's new modular design, I would think this would make a great early plugin:\n\nhttps://news.bitcoin.com/bitcoins-network-effect-purchasing-power/
[2016-12-27 22:14] ID=5614 chrisguida: 👍
[2016-12-27 23:29] ID=5615 DoubleYouSee23: I just want a locked in dollar amount in transaction history. ie: I send someone $5 USD in bitcoin, my transaction history ALWAYS says $5, maybe with a current price next to it.
[2016-12-27 23:29] ID=5616 DoubleYouSee23: Totally unrelated, but it made me think of that, sorry.
[2016-12-27 23:54] ID=5617 GuerraMoneta: @DoubleYouSee23 +1111
[2016-12-27 23:54] ID=5618 GuerraMoneta: That would be spectacular vs manually calculating
[2016-12-28 00:08] ID=5619 DoubleYouSee23: Looking at past transactions with current prices can be surprising to say the least. Though I will try to refrain from suggestions until the new wallet is implemented.
[2016-12-28 00:15] ID=5620 RE_ID=5615 Rassah: Something we definitely want too
[2016-12-28 00:17] ID=5621 DoubleYouSee23: Holy shit rassah, you're turning into a cat!
[2016-12-28 00:17] ID=5622 Rassah: Sorry!
[2016-12-28 00:19] ID=5623 Rassah: Better?
[2016-12-28 00:23] ID=5624 DoubleYouSee23: Lol, I wasn't complaining, I just thought you might have angered a witch or something. Glad you're okay!
[2016-12-28 00:24] ID=5625 Rassah: No, it's actually way worse
[2016-12-28 00:24] ID=5626 Rassah: But I'll be ok
[2016-12-28 00:30] ID=5627 RE_ID=5615 ???: This.. ( I am a noob) :) Thanks for the sweet wallet btw!
[2016-12-28 15:01] ID=5628 partyp88: Is there a way to contact someone in your trade history after the active trade is over?
[2016-12-28 15:07] ID=5629 jandreske: No - unless that person has a trade listing open, then you could start a new trade and chat there.
[2016-12-28 15:25] ID=5630 partyp88: Dang, ok thanks. I don't think they do... I'll just have to hope they contact me back.
[2016-12-28 15:26] ID=5631 Rassah: Did you send money to a stranger over the Internet?
[2016-12-28 15:28] ID=5632 favdesu: Well that's what you do in bitcoin isn't it
[2016-12-28 15:37] ID=5633 jandreske: Yeah, except that with local trader you are meant to meet that stranger in person and trade bitcoin for cash. Which the app tries to make very clear.
[2016-12-28 16:45] ID=5634 partyp88: No i didnt send money. We were trying to meet. I gave some contact information but accidentaly gave the wrong info. They canceled the active trade and now cant contact me because i typed it wrong. I wanted to reach out and tell them the correct info... but I cant message them. I know their username but there is no functionality to open a chat unless they have an ad up.
[2016-12-28 16:46] ID=5635 Rassah: Ah, OK. Well, that's much better I guess. We don't allow communication right now as a basic way of not having to deal with spamming. You'll probably be able to add people to your contacts and chat with them directly at any time eventually.
[2016-12-28 16:48] ID=5636 partyp88: Sweet! That would be helpful. I've wanted to reach out to previous contacts in the past for other reasons as well, but had no way of contacting them through the app.
[2016-12-28 16:50] ID=5637 thorbjorn: That would be awesome indeed.
[2016-12-28 17:08] ID=5638 Rahoos: You could post an ad of your own.
[2016-12-28 17:15] ID=5639 Rassah: You could share telegram contact info or something too
[2016-12-28 17:47] ID=5640 thorbjorn: Sometimes I do.
[2016-12-29 22:08] ID=5641 MUZAFFAR7S: None
[2016-12-29 22:13] ID=5642 jandreske: Somewhat off-topic, but does anybody happen to have the eBook "Becoming Satoshi" as epub?
[2016-12-29 23:00] ID=5643 RE_ID=5642 Rahoos: Is this something in print? I'm curious now but I'm not finding any mention of it online.
[2016-12-29 23:02] ID=5644 Rahoos: Never mind, found it on Amazon.
[2016-12-30 19:28] ID=5645 Frankffm17: Hi rassah, i Hope you are well. I have joined the Group ...one question. Do you know when celium Will Be tradable on an Exchange? Many thanks for a Feedback Frank
[2016-12-30 19:41] ID=5646 RE_ID=5645 Rassah: Bittrex is looking to see if there is enough interest from people to bother adding it. You can contact them and add yourself to the number of those interested
[2016-12-30 19:57] ID=5647 CryptoBNS: guys, please let bittrex know, that you're interested in MT being added to the exchange by answering to the tweet: https://twitter.com/MyceliumCom/status/808372764272979968
[2016-12-30 20:02] ID=5648 RE_ID=5647 Rassah: None
[2016-12-31 00:05] ID=5649 Transisto: Had to have someone wait 57 min so his ridiculously low fee 10sat/byte (347 Bytes) get in a block. Had to do about 7 priority fee transaction to try to compensate for it. it confirmed 8 block later when 3 block got found in less than 5min lowering the average to 36 fee/byte.
[2016-12-31 00:09] ID=5650 Transisto: I've got better stuff to do with my time. I'll try switching wallet while you get your shit togerther and make bitcoin, not great again, but just work ! / End rant.
[2016-12-31 00:24] ID=5651 RE_ID=5650 Rassah: Ok. Other wallets aren't any better though.
[2016-12-31 00:27] ID=5652 Transisto: appart from Breadwallet I'd be hard pressed to find a wallet that doesn't allow to set a custom fee
[2016-12-31 00:30] ID=5653 Transisto: actually i'm wrong many of them don't allow it.
[2016-12-31 00:33] ID=5654 Transisto: in Airbitz low fee for sending basic transaction is 154 bit, standard is 156 and High fee is 1513 (yes 2$)
[2016-12-31 00:33] ID=5655 Transisto: Nobody's going to sue you for having lost 2$ in transaction fee.
[2016-12-31 01:09] ID=5656 Transisto: Jaxx Pricey fee = 355 sat/byte
[2016-12-31 13:06] ID=5657 ???: None
[2016-12-31 16:51] ID=5658 bits_of_change: Copay also permits a choice of fee levels, but not conveniently (not from within a transaction attempt). Mycelium actually has one of the best displays and widest range of choices on fees. Airbitz has three levels but they're not obvious.
[2016-12-31 16:58] ID=5659 bits_of_change: Problems with Coinbase payments and Mycelium:\n\nBTW, Denver-based journalist Michael Scott and I have just released an article on the pretty common "HTTP 400" problem that multiple wallets are having with Coinbase-generated invoices. Mycelium and Breadwallet are affected the worst, however. I would suggest that Mycelium allow user-selectable fallback to BIP 21 data like Airbitz does just in case we have other payment protocol failures in the future.\n\nhttps://btcmanager.com/news/business/bip70-payment-failures-at-coinbase-major-issue-or-random-blips/
[2016-12-31 17:07] ID=5660 Rassah: Wish Coinbase would just fix their sjit
[2016-12-31 17:08] ID=5661 Daruhshie: Why do you care about coinbase @Rassah
[2016-12-31 17:11] ID=5662 Rassah: Cause when their stuff don't work in our wallet, we get the complaints too
[2016-12-31 17:17] ID=5663 Daruhshie: I gottit, didn't read the article
[2016-12-31 17:17] ID=5664 Daruhshie: 😉
[2016-12-31 17:18] ID=5665 Daruhshie: Coinbase should be banned .. period.. horrible service and buggy from the beginning
[2016-12-31 17:35] ID=5666 Rassah: No, they should just fix their bug, if they want to continue to be a large merchant processor
[2016-12-31 17:35] ID=5667 Rassah: Nothing in the article says it's anyone but their fault
[2016-12-31 18:09] ID=5668 Transisto: Just to be clear, my problem isn't that Mycelium priority fee is not enough for next block inclusion,  it's that the max is not enough to fix a stuck transaction with CPFP.
[2016-12-31 18:39] ID=5669 ShortFatUglyDumb: Rassah quoted in the press: https://news.bitcoin.com/14-luminaries-ode-state-bitcoin-2016/
[2016-12-31 18:40] ID=5670 Rassah: Woah, what?
[2016-12-31 18:57] ID=5671 ShortFatUglyDumb: Maybe I'm stretching the term "press" 4 Bitcow
[2016-12-31 18:57] ID=5672 ShortFatUglyDumb: Bitcoin.com News.
[2017-01-01 01:13] ID=5673 Rassah: Huh, wish I knew what that was for. I sound like a man of few words. Which I'm definitely not.
[2017-01-01 03:43] ID=5674 DoubleYouSee23: Probably grabbed the quote off of a Reddit comment.
[2017-01-01 03:43] ID=5675 DoubleYouSee23: 
[2017-01-01 04:14] ID=5676 Rassah: They emailed me asking my opinion. I gave it. Just didn't think much of it
[2017-01-01 16:37] ID=5677 AlexBran: None
[2017-01-01 16:40] ID=5678 AlexBran: https://cointelegraph.com/news/rassah-of-mycelium-what-etf-will-bring-to-bitcoin-table
[2017-01-01 18:18] ID=5679 ???: Hey guys. FYI. New malware out notices on windows when you copy a btc address and changes it when you paste it to send payment too.
[2017-01-01 18:19] ID=5680 RE_ID=5679 AROMACOMPUTERS: Lol
[2017-01-01 18:19] ID=5681 ???: It's using .net and caused an error at same time but is not being picked up by Antivirus or malware system
[2017-01-01 18:27] ID=5682 Rassah: That's an old trick...
[2017-01-01 19:58] ID=5683 GuerraMoneta: Happened to my friend the other day when using a very dirty computer lol
[2017-01-01 19:59] ID=5684 GuerraMoneta: Luckily was only 50 bucks, but this why you Confirm the address you want to send to on your trezor screen right?
[2017-01-01 20:04] ID=5685 thorbjorn: Exactly.
[2017-01-01 21:59] ID=5686 whalehunting: If I previously had created multiple HD-Accounts in myceleum under 1 masterseed, and by restoring them onto another device only my first account is recreated, what to do?
[2017-01-01 22:00] ID=5687 whalehunting: Note: I already followed the explanation on the website, but when I want to restore a second account, it creates a new one with 1 private key, instead of my old second account
[2017-01-01 22:10] ID=5688 whalehunting: Ok already fixed it by exporting it on my first device, but this should be mentioned on the website IMO :)
[2017-01-01 22:37] ID=5689 Rassah: Was this a HD account or single address? Cause just adding another account should do it
[2017-01-01 22:37] ID=5690 Rassah: Exporting it from old wallet and importing it to new one doesn't mean it's backed up by your seed :(
[2017-01-01 22:48] ID=5691 whalehunting: Should be HD because all accounts have a lot of priv keys in it
[2017-01-01 22:48] ID=5692 whalehunting: So it should also be backed up by the same seed right?
[2017-01-01 22:50] ID=5693 Rassah: Only ones that are created when you use the Add HD account button are backed up by the seed. How did you import your account?
[2017-01-01 22:50] ID=5694 Rassah: If it was 12 words, then Add HD Account, it's backed up. If you exported the QR code and imported it by scanning it, then it's not part of the seed
[2017-01-02 02:49] ID=5695 whalehunting: Other accounts were created from the same seed I think, did it by add Account in Myceleum some time ago (couple of months)
[2017-01-02 05:51] ID=5696 RE_ID=5679 ShortFatUglyDumb: Yeah, that's been around a while. And it reportedly tries to select a false address (owned by the thief) that looks similar in the first and last characters, so people who do quick-glance checks on the destination address may miss the small changes.
[2017-01-02 07:46] ID=5697 RE_ID=5695 jandreske: If you created additional HD accounts by using the add HD account button inside mycelium, they are derived from the same seed. \nAfter restoring your word list backup, you can use the add HD account button to restore the same additional accounts. \nInitially they will show just one private key contained, but they should start synchronyzing and discover additional keys, the transaction history and the balance. \nIf that does not work by itself, try using the reload account button from the account menu on accounts screen or from the transaction history screen. \nMake sure you have an active and working internet connection.
[2017-01-02 10:54] ID=5698 praga9: None
[2017-01-02 10:58] ID=5699 praga9: I have received payment via the button widget. payment successful, but the wallet has not been received. in the wallet application is still 0 BTC\nplease help
[2017-01-02 13:26] ID=5700 RE_ID=5699 Rassah: What button widget? Payment from whom?
[2017-01-02 13:28] ID=5701 RE_ID=5699 cvennekel: message me at [email protected] or via PN, I'd be happy to help
[2017-01-02 20:04] ID=5702 RE_ID=5696 ???: Yeah I never saw it till now. An that's exactly what it did. First 4 were same but rest different
[2017-01-02 20:32] ID=5703 DoubleYouSee23: Scary. I always scan a few from the front, a few from the back and a few somewhere in the middle.
[2017-01-02 21:11] ID=5704 GuerraMoneta: Same here, I scan first 4 last 4 and 4 from a random part near the middle
[2017-01-02 21:13] ID=5705 GuerraMoneta: That's a scary attack, makes me want to get qubes os figured out so I can safely send from a vm that is just for transactions
[2017-01-02 21:17] ID=5706 Rassah: That's why payment protocols are useful. Unfortunately they're hard to figure out and set up person to person
[2017-01-03 00:14] ID=5708 ???: None
[2017-01-03 02:55] ID=5717 Rassah: What the hey
[2017-01-03 03:36] ID=5719 wksantiago: Rassah liked your interview
[2017-01-03 03:36] ID=5720 wksantiago: https://cointelegraph.com/news/rassah-of-mycelium-what-etf-will-bring-to-bitcoin-table
[2017-01-03 03:50] ID=5721 Transisto: Is it possible to know what % of the bitcoin invested in mycelium wallet have been sold or spent ?
[2017-01-03 04:04] ID=5723 Rassah: I don't have the financials unfortunately
[2017-01-03 04:05] ID=5724 Rassah: I guess less than a quarter
[2017-01-03 05:20] ID=5726 ???: Ss
[2017-01-03 05:20] ID=5728 Rassah: Why do you keep posting that in here Nicholas?
[2017-01-03 05:20] ID=5729 Rassah: You probably compromised your whole wallet by now
[2017-01-03 05:30] ID=5731 RE_ID=5700 praga9: I connected via app IOS public key to button widget on gear.mycelium. I received payment, but no money in app. In dashboard gear.mycelium payment successfully.
[2017-01-03 07:20] ID=5735 Rahoos: I've made a couple trades via LocalTrader, and I've got a couple active trades open. Now I'd like to change my display name and add an email address, and I don't see where to do that. Do I have to close the active trades? Delete my ads?\nI do see where to delete my Trader Identity. If I do, will it just delete my ads and close the active trades automatically?
[2017-01-03 07:21] ID=5736 Rassah: You can't change your trader identity. You would have to use a different bitcoin address to create a new one. No email address either.
[2017-01-03 07:21] ID=5737 Rassah: Not sure about the last question
[2017-01-03 07:23] ID=5738 RE_ID=5736 Rahoos: No email address - you mean I can't add/change it now, or can't include one in a new Trader Identity?
[2017-01-03 07:29] ID=5739 Rassah: Oh, the email address in the settings is only used for our system to send you notifications. You should be able to change it any time
[2017-01-03 08:08] ID=5740 ???: https://cointelegraph.com/news/rassah-of-mycelium-what-etf-will-bring-to-bitcoin-table
[2017-01-03 08:28] ID=5741 praga9: to Rassah\nCan you help me?
[2017-01-03 08:59] ID=5742 jandreske: Praga, if I remember correctly, the iOS app was or is using a different xpubkey (different place in the account structure) than gear and the Android app did. \nThat was very unfortunate and caused payments to not show up, although they were received (and they can be accessed if you have the word list backup, so no money lost). \nI don't know whether that is still the case, I thought gear had been made more flexible at some point to recognice this, but maybe I am wrong or the widget has not been updated or something. \n\nSo I don't really know whether this is the issue in your case since I also don't really know iOS and gear, but it sounded like this could be the thing.
[2017-01-03 09:02] ID=5743 jandreske: Do you have access to an Android device? You could use mycelium for androids "cold storage" functionality to type in the backup words and check for a balance. \nThere are also other tools out there which do this, but they are usually used on a pc and it is more complicated to use them securely, because if your backup words get recorded somewhere, your funds gab easily get stolen.
[2017-01-03 09:04] ID=5744 praga9: Why the representative Mycelium is silent? Rassah help to understand!
[2017-01-03 09:08] ID=5745 praga9: I have  word list backup
[2017-01-03 09:08] ID=5746 jandreske: Right now it is the middle of the night in the US. So rassah probably sleeps.
[2017-01-03 09:09] ID=5747 RE_ID=5746 praga9: good night for him
[2017-01-03 09:10] ID=5748 praga9: money in personal account (gear.mycelium) can see. ios wallet no.
[2017-01-03 09:14] ID=5749 praga9: reinstalled the app, made a backup, did not help. still 0 btc
[2017-01-03 09:19] ID=5750 jandreske: So I assume gear derived different addresses than the app does. Does gear show the transaction hash or bitcoin address? \nIf so, you could compare whether \na) some third party block explorer shows the transaction as well, like blockchain.info or btc.blockr.io - if not, it might be a problem with gear \nb) check whether the address matches the current receiving address of your wallet - if it matches but the wallet shows 0 balance, then maybe it is a synchronization problem with the wallet app
[2017-01-03 09:21] ID=5751 RE_ID=5750 praga9: OMG 😳😳I don't understand.
[2017-01-03 09:23] ID=5752 RE_ID=5750 praga9: what need to compare?
[2017-01-03 09:37] ID=5753 praga9: I'll try to log on Android app
[2017-01-03 09:46] ID=5754 jandreske: You could try to use "restore backup" on the Android, and then compare the xpub key Android exports to the one from the iPhone you used to connect to gear. If they differ, that could explain the issue.
[2017-01-03 10:04] ID=5755 ???: guys, please let bittrex know, that you're interested in MT being added to the exchange by answering to the tweet: https://twitter.com/MyceliumCom/status/808372764272979968
[2017-01-03 10:05] ID=5757 thorbjorn: What's the point to keep reposting this link?
[2017-01-03 10:10] ID=5758 RE_ID=5754 cvennekel: wurde angepasst vor paar Monaten
[2017-01-03 10:12] ID=5759 jandreske: Ah, okay - wasnt on top of that stuff.
[2017-01-03 10:12] ID=5760 RE_ID=5753 cvennekel: Does the wallet show the address as your current receive address and the payment went to that address? Then you could try reloading your account, best you can do is message me at [email protected] and I'll take care of you
[2017-01-03 10:14] ID=5761 RE_ID=5760 praga9: I wrote don't respond
[2017-01-03 10:22] ID=5762 RE_ID=5761 cvennekel: I'll PN you in a sec
[2017-01-03 12:16] ID=5763 Transisto: Need an investor, dev,  business chat room,  muting this place as it's mostly customer support
[2017-01-03 20:05] ID=5769 Rahoos: I went to localbitcoins.com using Tor browser, and at the top of the web page is a warning against using Tor to access LocalBitcoins because a malicious exit node with a self-signed SSL certificate could be used to implement a MITM attack. How is this not an issue with using Mycelium wallet with Orbot?
[2017-01-03 20:34] ID=5770 yieldo: it's not mycelium's fault and surely isn't as bad as not using tor altogether, you can always use your own private vpn server
[2017-01-03 20:35] ID=5771 yieldo: then again, the last exit point is the weak point
[2017-01-03 20:55] ID=5772 RE_ID=5769 DanielWeigl: Mycelium has the certificate pinned (means it only trusts the one certificate we have on our servers) and using tor in mycelium connects to a hidden tor service, which means no exit node is used at all
[2017-01-03 21:05] ID=5773 Rahoos: Aha. That's a relief - I couldn't believe you hadn't thought of this but I couldn't imagine the solution either.\nSo I can have anonymity and privacy with LocalTrader, but a smaller number of traders in my area.\nTo have both privacy and anonymity using LocalBitcoins, I must find a trustable open WiFi hotspot in my nearest metropolitan area, and then only use LB to contact traders.
[2017-01-03 21:08] ID=5774 DanielWeigl: I'm supprised LB hasnt a hidden service endpoint. Then it would be safe to use them via tor
[2017-01-04 07:43] ID=5776 RE_ID=5757 ShortFatUglyDumb: Not every1 saw it the 1st time. It's an ongoing need 2 get token holders 2 show their support for MT on exchanges.
[2017-01-04 08:29] ID=5777 thorbjorn: Alright. Though note that it's already pinned as well.
[2017-01-04 09:37] ID=5778 ShortFatUglyDumb: Darn, can't see the pinned msg here on Telegram web-login.
[2017-01-04 13:57] ID=5779 TheSatMan: Please tell me - at what exchanges is it possible to trade MT tokens at the moment?
[2017-01-04 14:01] ID=5780 RE_ID=5779 Rassah: https://market.bitsquare.io/?market=mt_btc
[2017-01-04 14:02] ID=5781 TheSatMan: Is that the only place/Exchange?
[2017-01-04 14:03] ID=5782 TheSatMan: Because it seems not to be traded there ...? Last date is like - 2016 nov?
[2017-01-04 14:03] ID=5783 TheSatMan: When you look at the chart...
[2017-01-04 14:04] ID=5784 Rassah: It's very low volume, yes
[2017-01-04 14:06] ID=5785 Rassah: Unfortunately it's not entirely up to us with regards to adding it to exchanges. Bittrex is the only other exchange with all the legal requirements for these tokens, but they don't know if there's enough demand for them to bother
[2017-01-04 14:29] ID=5786 praga9: tell me please the chat group Electrum Wallet in telegram
[2017-01-04 14:42] ID=5787 Rassah: We don't know
[2017-01-04 15:16] ID=5788 favdesu: @Rassah did you talk to @ronnyb yet? You could list mycelium on OpenLedger easy I think
[2017-01-04 15:28] ID=5789 Rassah: I'll contact him
[2017-01-04 15:39] ID=5790 Rassah: Is OpenLedger even an exchange?
[2017-01-04 15:41] ID=5791 favdesu: yeah...
[2017-01-04 15:41] ID=5792 RE_ID=5790 Valen_tin: lol
[2017-01-04 15:44] ID=5793 Rassah: The first thing I saw was "The OpenLedger offers the users a wallet of their own located directly on the BitShares blockchain, with multi-signature accounts, ..."
[2017-01-04 15:45] ID=5794 favdesu: bitshares IS an exchange
[2017-01-04 15:45] ID=5795 favdesu: but OL offers centralized tokens too
[2017-01-04 15:45] ID=5796 favdesu: on top of it
[2017-01-04 15:47] ID=5797 Rassah: I see
[2017-01-04 20:27] ID=5799 bigs21024: how much is my 0.1263373 shares of mycelium worth now lol
[2017-01-04 20:58] ID=5800 bigs21024: someone who has a lot of btc should be kind and give me 1BTC for it lol
[2017-01-04 21:16] ID=5802 ???: Fyi, affiliate link for any interested in opening a new OL account in hope of trading: http://tinyurl.com/openledger
[2017-01-04 23:37] ID=5803 uporo: Oh Yeah. Please openledger!
[2017-01-05 07:47] ID=5804 jandreske: Yay, on bitcointalk.org, mycelium now has it's own sub forum!
[2017-01-05 08:30] ID=5805 uporo: On announcements?
[2017-01-05 09:13] ID=5806 RE_ID=5804 cvennekel: thanks for letting us know :)\nLink: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?board=231.0
[2017-01-05 10:53] ID=5807 uporo: Looks like it has had sub forum for years now
[2017-01-05 12:26] ID=5808 jandreske: No, all the Mycelium related stuff from the past has just been moved there.
[2017-01-05 14:15] ID=5809 uporo: oh
[2017-01-05 20:18] ID=5810 Rahoos: Overheard in the office just now:\nBitcoin mining is computer geeks taking advantage of a glitch in Bitcoin to make new bitcoins using high end graphics cards, but there's this theoretical limit to how many bitcoins can exist, and mining isn't really profitable anymore because they're starting to reach that limit.
[2017-01-05 20:24] ID=5811 Rassah: Okay...
[2017-01-05 20:30] ID=5812 BB_Martino: The typical case of someone hearing some bits and pieces and gluing them together to kind of make sense to them.
[2017-01-05 20:32] ID=5813 BB_Martino: Now that I am in the group again... Rassah: how's the modular MyCelium coming along? Also, what's up with the MyCelium trader feature? When I first updated and found it, I tried it out but it never seemed to work properly (messages didn't go through, requests for trade came in days later, etc). I was excited about it, will there be a fix?
[2017-01-05 20:37] ID=5814 Rassah: People just don't keep an eye on their trader accounts. It works in some regions, and people don't use it in others.
[2017-01-05 20:37] ID=5815 RE_ID=5813 Rahoos: Assuming you're talking about LocalTrader in the Android version, give it a try again. I used it for the first time a couple weeks ago and have done 2 trades now, and I'm really happy with it. Key to my understanding how it works was reading the brief "How to Trade" help/FAQ found by tapping the 3-dot menu icon in the upper right corner.
[2017-01-05 20:37] ID=5816 Rassah: Hoping to have news on modularity by the Miami conference
[2017-01-05 20:38] ID=5817 JasonFS: Will I see you in Miami, Rassah? I hope so.
[2017-01-05 20:39] ID=5818 Rahoos: One kind of annoying feature in Localtrader is when you're writing a chat message and you tap to make a correction in the previously written line above, it shifts the chat window upward but then you can't get your cursor back to the end of the message to resume writing.
[2017-01-05 20:39] ID=5819 BB_Martino: My problem wasn't not knowing how to use it, but trying to send messages that never made it, or suddenly getting disconnected (with the internet & everything else still working), small bugs or server problems like this made it impossible to use. :(\n\nOther question: how much info do you have/store about wallets? I see a trend in law enforcement entering some addresses and transaction IDs into blockseer, chainalysis, wallet-explorer and similar and then demanding customer information.
[2017-01-05 20:43] ID=5820 Rahoos: Edited my message above, accidentally sent before I was done. When this happens I correct it by rotating my phone, which gives me a completely different editing UI and shows the entire message I had written.
[2017-01-05 20:47] ID=5821 Rahoos: I've also noticed that sometimes a message I sent earlier doesn't show up, but then it suddenly appears along with subsequent messages I've sent. I think it might have something to do with Orbot not always initializing quickly. Even though I always leave Orbot running, it takes minutes sometimes for Mycelium wallet to connect.
[2017-01-05 20:47] ID=5822 RE_ID=5817 Rassah: Yes. I will definitely be in Miami
[2017-01-05 20:48] ID=5823 RE_ID=5818 Rassah: Yeah, there's a lot of problems with it. But we're focusing on a whole UI rewrite, so no point in fixing minor old issues
[2017-01-05 20:48] ID=5824 JasonFS: Outstanding. Rhiana and I fly in late Monday night and are staying in South Beach. We fly back to Houston on Thursday. I think we are trying to organize a South Beach night... We can discuss in Miami. See you soon.
[2017-01-05 20:49] ID=5825 RE_ID=5819 Rassah: We log IP addresses of wallets that connect to check for balance, and delete those after a few hours
[2017-01-05 20:49] ID=5826 Rassah: Unfortunately you just have to trust our word on that. Install Orbot please
[2017-01-05 20:52] ID=5827 BB_Martino: 1) So if someone comes up to you and says "we have this address here, please let us know what IP addresses checked the balance for it and what other addresses are in the same wallet as this address" you would not be able to help them?\n\n2) Would you help them without a court order? Would it depend on the evidence presented? And if yes, would "this website claims you might know the owner" or "we are just going around asking wallet providers" suffice as reasonable grounds?
[2017-01-05 20:56] ID=5828 BB_Martino: Just to clarify my reasons for asking: I spent ~6 emails back & forth with someone from the police demanding userinfo until I was finally able to explain to him what shared wallets were and convinced him to go to a different provider instead. He got his info from blockseer.com.
[2017-01-05 21:29] ID=5829 RE_ID=5827 Rassah: 1) No. We have actually been asked to give our database to agencies before, and we offered to email them the gigabytes sized blockchain file.
[2017-01-05 21:29] ID=5830 BB_Martino: 😂😂😂
[2017-01-05 21:29] ID=5831 Rassah: We even offered to print it all out on paper and mail it to them
[2017-01-05 21:29] ID=5832 BB_Martino: you mean the actual blockchain?
[2017-01-05 21:29] ID=5833 Rassah: Yes
[2017-01-05 21:29] ID=5834 BB_Martino: you're awesome :) 👏👍
[2017-01-05 21:29] ID=5835 Rassah: That was the only database we have
[2017-01-05 21:30] ID=5836 Rassah: But, again, unfortunately with our current setup you have to take our word for it. We want to change that so you don't have to
[2017-01-05 21:31] ID=5837 BB_Martino: Here's something I did. Not a solution to your current problem, but I would love to see this done by others, not just me:
[2017-01-05 21:31] ID=5838 BB_Martino: https://bitbargain.co.uk/warrant-canary.txt
[2017-01-05 21:34] ID=5839 Rassah: We sorta had one, but then we figured who's to say the person who has access to it isn't compromised?
[2017-01-05 21:35] ID=5840 BB_Martino: If that's the case, it's all gone to shit anyway. But the idea is they can't legally force me to sign the txt with PGP or lie on it.
[2017-01-05 21:35] ID=5841 Rassah: Best to make it impossible period. So, SPV wallet running from your own node, Tor, built in decentralized mixing...
[2017-01-05 21:35] ID=5842 RE_ID=5840 Rassah: True
[2017-01-05 21:37] ID=5843 BB_Martino: Plus it's not just about any compromise, but getting a feel for how many requests come in and how often they are complied with. Some companies (for example Google) have similar stats, but they are delayed and can only reflect a sample of 100 or 1000+ cases or something.
[2017-01-05 21:37] ID=5844 Rassah: We only had about three requests so far. Were smol
[2017-01-05 21:38] ID=5845 BB_Martino: If the NCA or GCHQ starts poking around demanding that I change the system or give them direct access to the DB, they couldn't do it without it becoming public, in a very specific way.
[2017-01-05 21:38] ID=5846 BB_Martino: With a simple canary, everyone's always left to guess what may be going on in the background. With this canary on steroids, the specific agency, the specific request and some other info becomes public in a matter of 48 hours.
[2017-01-05 21:39] ID=5847 BB_Martino: (with me being 100% passive)
[2017-01-05 21:39] ID=5848 BB_Martino: *99% ;)
[2017-01-05 21:40] ID=5849 BB_Martino: Anyway, thanks for sharing your experience. That blockchain printout story is epic.
[2017-01-06 02:03] ID=5850 RE_ID=5838 bits_of_change: That's actually pretty impressive. You manually update it daily?
[2017-01-06 02:05] ID=5851 DoubleYouSee23: Has the release of the Ledger Blue and other fairly expensive hardware wallets made you guys reconsider selling the Mycelium Bitcoin Card direct to consumers? I'd pay a premium for one...
[2017-01-06 02:10] ID=5852 BB_Martino: Patrick: thanks. Of course ;)
[2017-01-06 05:47] ID=5853 dahell a: None
[2017-01-06 06:29] ID=5854 dahell a: what's going on here? Is mycelium just branching out into different crowdsales?
[2017-01-06 07:55] ID=5856 RE_ID=5854 abeikverdi: 👍
[2017-01-06 08:56] ID=5858 Transisto: On average 5 time a day i get asked why we do not recommend or support blockchain.info wallet.  Very curious to know what plan Mycelium has to take over other wallet market share.
[2017-01-06 18:21] ID=5863 AROMACOMPUTERS: 
[2017-01-06 18:22] ID=5864 Rassah: Yep, definitely saw that yesterday
[2017-01-10 19:17] ID=5865 sabotagebeats: Hi,  wondering when mycelium tokens can be held in mycelium wallet?
[2017-01-10 19:17] ID=5866 sabotagebeats: Been promised long time ago
[2017-01-10 19:18] ID=5867 Rassah: Hoping to have something by next week. Will be at Miami conference and scrambling to get it done
[2017-01-10 19:18] ID=5868 sabotagebeats: Thanks
[2017-01-10 19:46] ID=5869 RE_ID=5867 DoubleYouSee23: ! I love you
[2017-01-10 19:46] ID=5870 DoubleYouSee23: 
[2017-01-10 21:15] ID=5871 Pepy Ganea: Hello , is there any wallet that make it possible to send to multiple addresses in one transaction ? For example I want to sent to my wife and myself in the same transaction
[2017-01-10 21:17] ID=5872 Rassah: blockchain.info wallet supports that
[2017-01-10 21:18] ID=5873 Pepy Ganea: Thanks, wouldn't be nice to have that in mycelium ? :)
[2017-01-10 21:27] ID=5876 Rassah: Of course! That'd be great!
[2017-01-10 22:52] ID=5877 RE_ID=5871 AlenaSatoshi: also trezor ofc :)
[2017-01-10 22:53] ID=5878 AlenaSatoshi: you can even import a list of payments in a csv
[2017-01-10 22:58] ID=5879 RE_ID=5877 Rassah: Oh, cool, that's good to know :)
[2017-01-10 23:43] ID=5880 AlenaSatoshi: 
[2017-01-10 23:44] ID=5881 AlenaSatoshi: http://doc.satoshilabs.com/trezor-user/makingpayments.html
[2017-01-11 00:19] ID=5882 Transisto: I use electrum for that just type a list of address, amount in the send field.  That's also what we used at bitcoin embassy to for the university 5$ per student paper wallets.
[2017-01-11 00:19] ID=5883 Transisto: Giveaway
[2017-01-11 00:25] ID=5884 sabotagebeats: What is bitcoin embassy
[2017-01-11 17:01] ID=5886 bits_of_change: Hey guys, I just realized today that Blockonomics.co is a selectable block explorer in Mycelium. As someone who is on the Blockonomics team now, my thanks to you. :) I think we'll be building more tools that Mycelium can make use of in the future.
[2017-01-11 18:00] ID=5887 RE_ID=5886 cvennekel: it is integrated for probably a year already, glad you like it, if you think an important one is missing, let us know
[2017-01-11 19:13] ID=5888 Pepy Ganea: I think there is a problem with fee calculation when sending from single address , I want to sent founds from single address to another address and the minimum fee is around 3.5eur... when sending from my HD account everything seems fine
[2017-01-11 19:14] ID=5889 Rassah: Single address can still have many small inputs
[2017-01-11 19:15] ID=5890 Rassah: Go to accounts, select your address, and from the menu select show unspent outputs, see what it shows
[2017-01-11 19:16] ID=5891 Pepy Ganea: A lot of them
[2017-01-11 19:17] ID=5892 favdesu: What happened to swish?
[2017-01-11 19:17] ID=5893 favdesu: Closed?
[2017-01-11 19:18] ID=5894 RE_ID=5889 Pepy Ganea: This is it then , thanks!
[2017-01-11 19:18] ID=5895 RE_ID=5891 Rassah: That's why. All of them add up to make the transaction bigger
[2017-01-11 19:18] ID=5896 RE_ID=5892 Rassah: Problems with credit processor
[2017-01-11 19:51] ID=5897 FloridaBitcoiner: I have installed Mycelium on many Android user's phones but I use an iPhone so there was a long period that it was not available for me. When it became available I was not in the habit of using it.\n\nI just used it today (as a novelty) for the 1st time to sweep from a paper wallet and it was a smooth experience.
[2017-01-11 20:15] ID=5899 Rassah: Until it's resolved
[2017-01-12 10:56] ID=5901 CryptoGafty: None
[2017-01-12 11:39] ID=5902 rawgeL: None
[2017-01-12 12:21] ID=5903 ZaCkRrr: None
[2017-01-12 12:33] ID=5904 ???: None
[2017-01-12 17:29] ID=5905 ???: Question. I just created an HD account on the wallet and showed a balance of a few dollars in it imediately. Did this pull from other accounts?
[2017-01-12 17:30] ID=5906 Rassah: No, just from the first one
[2017-01-12 17:30] ID=5907 Rassah: You have to "add new account" to get the rest of yours
[2017-01-12 17:33] ID=5908 ???: I did add new new account. HD account and then had a $1 something balance in it
[2017-01-12 17:33] ID=5909 ???: Didn't know what wallet the $1 something came from and why. I never saw that other times I added an HD account
[2017-01-12 17:38] ID=5910 Rassah: No idea. Maybe one of your old ones you haven't seen in a while
[2017-01-12 17:51] ID=5911 ???: Now I just created another one and that one is at zero
[2017-01-12 17:56] ID=5912 DanielWeigl: Did you restore the wallet from a backup'd seed?
[2017-01-12 18:08] ID=5913 ???: Nope. I never had to do that whatsoever
[2017-01-12 18:15] ID=5914 DanielWeigl: (solved in PM, it was a restored wallet and account was proably used by him before)
[2017-01-12 18:22] ID=5915 Rassah: Chance of randomly finding a private key with money in it: still zero
[2017-01-12 22:21] ID=5917 RE_ID=5915 Rahoos: I've often wondered why that is. The number of possible private keys is finite isn't it? Is the chance actually zero, or just so small it's effectively zero?
[2017-01-12 22:32] ID=5918 Rassah: The second one
[2017-01-12 22:49] ID=5919 Rahoos: So will it become possible someday when there are billions of bitcoin users?
[2017-01-12 22:56] ID=5920 Rassah: No
[2017-01-12 22:57] ID=5921 Rassah: It's much much much bigger than that
[2017-01-12 22:57] ID=5922 DoubleYouSee23: statistically impossible. I believe you are more likely to find a winning lottery ticket 30 days in a row.
[2017-01-12 22:58] ID=5923 sabotagebeats: Sounds ez
[2017-01-12 22:58] ID=5924 Rassah: I'm thinking of a specific atom in our solar system. Guess which one it is
[2017-01-12 22:58] ID=5925 Rassah: Kinda like that
[2017-01-12 22:58] ID=5926 sabotagebeats: 😂
[2017-01-12 22:58] ID=5927 RE_ID=5924 DoubleYouSee23: ^
[2017-01-12 22:59] ID=5928 DoubleYouSee23: However, I am willing to bet it will happen one day. Our world is funny. (And I am aware of how impossible that really is)
[2017-01-12 22:59] ID=5929 Rassah: Probably won't be noticed and will be blamed on a hack/stolen key
[2017-01-12 23:02] ID=5930 DoubleYouSee23: I hadn't thought of that. I'd be screaming it to the high heavens, everyone would know.
[2017-01-12 23:02] ID=5931 DoubleYouSee23: Lol. I wouldn't mind giving it back, cause it would have been worth the experience
[2017-01-13 00:48] ID=5932 RE_ID=5929 Anomaly: Will be blamed on Russian or Chinese hackers ;-)
[2017-01-13 08:34] ID=5933 😺: None
[2017-01-14 00:08] ID=5934 Eisenzwerg: None
[2017-01-14 09:40] ID=5935 btc12com: None
[2017-01-14 18:13] ID=5936 Buddash: None
[2017-01-14 23:28] ID=5937 DoubleYouSee23: Does anyone know if the new mycelium wallet will hold Spells of Genesis cards? For instance, do you know of a plugin already in the works or anything?
[2017-01-14 23:33] ID=5938 Rassah: Nothing like that in the works
[2017-01-14 23:34] ID=5939 Rassah: We're still finishing up BitcoinJ and Colu support, which would add support for adding other types of crypto assets. But we haven't started planning beyond that step yet
[2017-01-14 23:34] ID=5940 Rassah: Rather, no specific plans
[2017-01-14 23:35] ID=5941 DoubleYouSee23: thanks very much for the answer.
[2017-01-14 23:36] ID=5942 Rassah: What do those cards run on? I haven't been interested enough to look
[2017-01-14 23:38] ID=5943 ShawnLeary: They are Counterparty assets
[2017-01-14 23:38] ID=5944 DoubleYouSee23: Counterparty tokens I'm pretty sure. The game itself is pretty uninteresting to me tbh, but 1/2 the cards or so are commemorating events in btc/blockchain history.
[2017-01-14 23:39] ID=5945 ShawnLeary: rarepepedirectory.com
[2017-01-14 23:40] ID=5946 ShawnLeary: 500 counterparty collectible cards in the same vain as SoG and Force of Will and Augmentors
[2017-01-14 23:40] ID=5947 DoubleYouSee23: And what starts to really interest me is where people are programming other data on top of those tokens. So a token that is a card in Spells Of Genesis is a level in Sarurobi. Its all really proof of concept at this point, but really neat imo
[2017-01-14 23:41] ID=5948 RE_ID=5947 ShawnLeary: 👍🏻
[2017-01-14 23:41] ID=5949 ShawnLeary: 
[2017-01-14 23:42] ID=5950 DoubleYouSee23: Lol that's cool. I really don't like most of the Pepe cards, but I like that
[2017-01-14 23:42] ID=5951 ShawnLeary: 
[2017-01-14 23:43] ID=5952 RE_ID=5950 ShawnLeary: yea i like the original content ones.  some of the GIFs are good too.
[2017-01-14 23:43] ID=5953 DoubleYouSee23: @Rassah mycelium should seriously consider getting in touch with SoG and having a mycelium card made
[2017-01-14 23:43] ID=5954 ShawnLeary: or at least be counterparty aware!!  get all of those cards
[2017-01-14 23:43] ID=5955 ShawnLeary: we have FreeWallet and IndieSquare
[2017-01-14 23:44] ID=5956 ShawnLeary: but would be cool if Mycelium supported XCP too
[2017-01-14 23:44] ID=5957 DoubleYouSee23: aren't MT and ST counterparty?
[2017-01-14 23:44] ID=5958 ShawnLeary: @Rassah https://t.me/rarepepetradergroup
[2017-01-14 23:45] ID=5959 ShawnLeary: it's a growing community.  the PEPECASH card just got listed on Zaif.jp and TUXexchange.com
[2017-01-14 23:46] ID=5960 ShawnLeary: SoG was the inspiration for sure
[2017-01-14 23:46] ID=5961 DoubleYouSee23: I don't think its fair to compare SoG with RarePepe, whether they interest you or not
[2017-01-14 23:46] ID=5962 Rassah: I guess counterparty support will be added eventually. If we can add Colu, that shouldn't be that much of a step
[2017-01-14 23:47] ID=5963 DoubleYouSee23: Well apparently I need to do some research into that area, I wasn't really aware there was a difference. Though now that I think about it I should have known that...
[2017-01-14 23:47] ID=5964 RE_ID=5957 Rassah: MT is Colu colored coins
[2017-01-14 23:48] ID=5965 RE_ID=5961 ShawnLeary: life isn't fair
[2017-01-14 23:52] ID=5966 DoubleYouSee23: 
[2017-01-14 23:52] ID=5967 DoubleYouSee23: 
[2017-01-14 23:57] ID=5968 ShawnLeary: one has mass appeal one is for bitcoin nerds.  i happen to like both :)
[2017-01-14 23:58] ID=5969 ShawnLeary: 
[2017-01-15 00:36] ID=5970 BB_Martino: 😂👍
[2017-01-15 10:11] ID=5971 RE_ID=5943 ShortFatUglyDumb: And if I'm not mistaken, Counterparty itself runs on Bitcoin's blockchain, not their own chain. (Please correct me if I'm wrong.) So any demand for these cards indirectly adds to Bitcoin's overall demand.
[2017-01-15 10:13] ID=5972 DoubleYouSee23: That was my understanding as well.
[2017-01-15 10:16] ID=5973 DoubleYouSee23: The counterparty wallet I use can accept cards and bitcoins to the address it generates, so there is that.
[2017-01-15 13:52] ID=5974 Rassah: Yes, counterparty is on Bitcoin
[2017-01-15 16:33] ID=5975 RE_ID=5924 bits_of_change: I don't know, Rassah... maybe you thinking of the atom is what caused the atom to exist in the first place. #loophole #badrng ;)
[2017-01-16 10:53] ID=5976 ShawnLeary: "Colored coins was an awesome idea, and I applaud everyone who worked on it from 2010-2013, but my personal opinion is that XCP-style meta-consensus systems are the next generation from here, at least as far as Bitcoin-based protocols are concerned." - Vitalik Buterin
[2017-01-17 20:25] ID=5977 franull: WTS Mycelium Tokens, if anyone's interested , feel free to open a direct message 👍🏼
[2017-01-18 23:50] ID=5979 Cme: 
[2017-01-19 00:32] ID=5980 Rassah: Incriminating photos...
[2017-01-19 11:49] ID=5981 ???: Any Mycelium news to announce?  Thought maybe the conference held a surprise or two...
[2017-01-19 12:47] ID=5982 rmadras: Any news on exchanges yet for MT?
[2017-01-19 18:31] ID=5983 btcdrak: None
[2017-01-21 03:53] ID=5984 udiWertheimer: None
[2017-01-21 03:55] ID=5985 Rassah: Just been busy with the conference, unfortunately
[2017-01-21 03:55] ID=5986 RE_ID=5985 DoubleYouSee23: Unfortunately? What, not having fun?
[2017-01-21 03:56] ID=5987 Rassah: Lots of conference stuff and little time to check on emails and do Mycelium work
[2017-01-21 03:56] ID=5988 Rassah: Will have an update when I get home. Hopefully Monday.
[2017-01-21 03:56] ID=5989 DoubleYouSee23: Awesome. Have a good weekend
[2017-01-21 06:14] ID=5990 ???: None
[2017-01-21 06:15] ID=5991 ???: did I miss any developments or announced timelines for this crowd fund and / or wallet? Reddit's dead on this topic.
[2017-01-21 12:43] ID=5992 Rassah: Have you checked https://news.wallet.mycelium.com
[2017-01-21 20:54] ID=5993 Transisto: When is the new wallet comming out and what's the segwit readiness status of both?
[2017-01-21 20:55] ID=5994 Transisto: Was anything new announced at the Miami conference?
[2017-01-21 20:56] ID=5995 Rassah: Not really. We didn't finish in time there
[2017-01-21 22:48] ID=5996 ZaCkRrr: How is altcoin adoption in mycelium wallet ?
[2017-01-21 23:47] ID=5997 Rassah: It's going. Still finishing up SPV module that will allow adding those
[2017-01-21 23:57] ID=5998 Anomaly: You think segwit is going to be implemented in near future? I'm not sure what it's future looks like. A lot of people concerned about it
[2017-01-21 23:58] ID=5999 Anomaly: I know you guys put a lot of time into its coding in the wallet, Rassah
[2017-01-22 00:08] ID=6000 Rassah: We actually haven't. We are working on replacing our core from Bitlib to BitcoinJ, and BitcoinJ has some support for it. It's an open source library that others are working on
[2017-01-22 17:56] ID=6001 bigs21024: any new news
[2017-01-22 17:56] ID=6002 bigs21024: Have you checked https://news.wallet.mycelium.com
[2017-01-22 17:56] ID=6003 bigs21024: We actually haven't. We are working on replacing our core from Bitlib to BitcoinJ, and BitcoinJ has some support for it. It's an open source library that others are working on
[2017-01-23 03:47] ID=6004 whisperit2me: None
[2017-01-24 21:39] ID=6005 Godson_Mansa: .
[2017-01-24 21:39] ID=6006 Godson_Mansa: Are we on trex yet ?
[2017-01-24 21:59] ID=6007 Rassah: Trex still saying they don't see enough demand
[2017-01-24 22:00] ID=6008 Godson_Mansa: Ffs
[2017-01-24 22:01] ID=6009 RE_ID=6007 AROMACOMPUTERS: Can users pool together and just pay them to list it?
[2017-01-24 22:02] ID=6010 Rassah: Maybe
[2017-01-24 22:05] ID=6011 ???: Since the original EOY and NABC update targets were missed, what the current deadline for the core rewrite?
[2017-01-24 22:06] ID=6012 Rassah: The core is rewritten. Just waiting for it to be good enough to be released
[2017-01-24 22:07] ID=6013 Rassah: NABC was busy and I got con crud from it, so I'm sick and recovering. Not much enthusiasm to write much. But we had a planning meeting today.
[2017-01-24 22:07] ID=6014 Godson_Mansa: 
[2017-01-24 22:07] ID=6015 Godson_Mansa: Raises 5k btc but don't have the 8btc listing fee
[2017-01-24 22:07] ID=6016 ???: Call it a beta and let the community find the bugs for you. Works for Google. :)
[2017-01-24 22:07] ID=6017 Rassah: It will be beta at first
[2017-01-24 22:09] ID=6018 Rassah: Sorry I can't really say much
[2017-01-24 22:10] ID=6019 ???: Well - your investor community is here to help.
[2017-01-24 22:11] ID=6020 AROMACOMPUTERS: 250 members in here. 8 btc / 250 = 0.032
[2017-01-24 22:17] ID=6021 Rassah: We should be paying for this ourselves. Trex just wasn't sure if it would be worth it to them last time I asked
[2017-01-24 22:25] ID=6022 Godson_Mansa: Inb4 godson starts throwing self bought scam accusations again.
[2017-01-24 22:43] ID=6023 Transisto: I would tend to agree, Then let's just make worth it by generating some revenue or drastically increasing userbase.
[2017-01-26 21:29] ID=6025 Rassah: What happened with what exactly?
[2017-01-27 09:05] ID=6026 Strayt: Hey Rassah,\n\nWhen can we store our mycelium tokens in our mycelium wallet? Looking forward to getting them secured by a trusted wallet. I keep worrying that the colu wallet is going to crash out and I'm going to loose my MT investment.\n\nThanks.
[2017-01-27 10:58] ID=6028 ZaCkRrr: Hello core devs , i have serious btc transaction error  here. Please figure out whar is happening. Last two days i did received btc from someone and that transaction is not confirmed for long time. Now the hash is gone but i cant track btc from sender wallet.i though it is double spending but sender also declare btc is not reverse. It is seems btc just gone to the air.
[2017-01-27 10:58] ID=6029 ZaCkRrr: https://blockchain.info/tx/f19c294b4fc880d470864c0403b58c3d6e2db71d041171da2f90bd9055677784
[2017-01-27 10:59] ID=6030 ZaCkRrr: Receiver address :
[2017-01-27 10:59] ID=6031 ZaCkRrr: 1LjbuaQMG8u1T8duXkGiroUhRji3tuXofJ
[2017-01-27 11:39] ID=6032 BB_Martino: It sounds like the coins never confirmed. Which is rare but it can happen. Ask the sender to send it again (because the money was never taken from them) and to use a proper fee this time so it doesn't take forever to confirm.
[2017-01-27 16:41] ID=6033 RE_ID=6026 Rassah: Code is done, just needs to be plugged into the wallet and tested, but we only have one guy to do that. So, soon-ish?
[2017-01-27 16:45] ID=6034 DoubleYouSee23: can't wait.
[2017-01-27 16:47] ID=6035 RE_ID=6032 ZaCkRrr: Thanks
[2017-01-27 18:49] ID=6036 Strayt: Great to hear. Thanks Rassah.
[2017-01-28 04:06] ID=6037 ZaCkRrr: 
[2017-01-28 04:06] ID=6038 ZaCkRrr: Trezor start supporting dash and zec..i hope mycellium will follow
[2017-01-28 04:12] ID=6039 Transisto: Cool, two coins i give zero fuck about....
[2017-01-28 04:15] ID=6040 ZaCkRrr: Nobody cares about you either lol...but as long as market give demand...supply will comes
[2017-01-28 04:16] ID=6041 ZaCkRrr: I personally dont really like zec..but when its adoption come to mainstream ...im sure gonna keep some for saving
[2017-01-28 04:16] ID=6042 ZaCkRrr: That is how we survive in cryptoworld
[2017-01-28 07:04] ID=6043 GuerraMoneta: Hooray I moved my dash to Trezor, hoping to see mycelium pick it up
[2017-01-28 09:36] ID=6044 Daruhshie: None
[2017-01-28 10:05] ID=6045 Daruhshie: @Rassah : Anyone know why its taking so long for Trezor to start supporting Ether. (zCash? supported already). I bought the damn thing based on an ETH support promise.. / Is it possible to use both Legder Nano S or Blue together with a Trezor on one Mycelium Wallet installation?
[2017-01-28 10:08] ID=6046 RE_ID=6045 ZaCkRrr: Where did you read Mycelium starts supporting Zec? It says it will support altcoins but doesnt mean soon. Well you can save your eth using Ledger wallet
[2017-01-28 10:39] ID=6047 Daruhshie: @ZaCkRrr : I didn't realy, I was talking about Trezor
[2017-01-28 10:41] ID=6048 RE_ID=6047 ZaCkRrr: You should ask in trezor group lol
[2017-01-28 10:42] ID=6049 ZaCkRrr: @trezortalk
[2017-01-28 10:43] ID=6050 Daruhshie: I'm using Mycelium with trezor support so I don't find it too weird to ask the question in here
[2017-01-28 10:44] ID=6051 Daruhshie: I presume @Rassah is up to date on developments of supported hardware with the wallet..
[2017-01-28 19:14] ID=6052 GuerraMoneta: This was just discuss in the Trezor chat
[2017-01-28 19:14] ID=6053 GuerraMoneta: Devs said that code is finished and will be done soon
[2017-01-28 19:15] ID=6054 GuerraMoneta: @Daruhshie \nBach N:\nMyEtherWallet support for TREZOR is coming soon, it's a matter of a pull request on GitHub :))
[2017-01-28 19:17] ID=6055 Daruhshie: why reference me when the comment in the othe channel was for me?
[2017-01-28 19:18] ID=6056 Daruhshie: Just a shame it won't be Mycelium then
[2017-01-28 19:19] ID=6057 Daruhshie: I hate using 100 wallets and devices..
[2017-01-28 19:19] ID=6058 DoubleYouSee23: there's tons of work to be done on the bitcoin end still, hopefully those are more of a focus than alts
[2017-01-28 19:20] ID=6059 DoubleYouSee23: Talk to the eth devs maybe
[2017-01-28 19:20] ID=6060 Daruhshie: and seems trezor has been ready for ETH adoption for months
[2017-01-28 19:23] ID=6061 Daruhshie: What bitcoin end are you talking about @DoubleYouSee23
[2017-01-28 19:26] ID=6062 DoubleYouSee23: Setting your own transaction fee for one.
[2017-01-28 19:26] ID=6063 DoubleYouSee23: Using public private keys to have encrypted messages with people you've transacted with
[2017-01-28 19:30] ID=6064 Daruhshie: I personally don't care much about those side functionalities and prefer to be able to store for example the Mycelium Asset in my Mycelium wallet and then think about communication
[2017-01-28 19:31] ID=6065 DoubleYouSee23: Actually those are my personal top priorities as well
[2017-01-28 19:32] ID=6066 Daruhshie: Nice so we agree, 😉
[2017-01-28 19:34] ID=6067 DoubleYouSee23: Well I consider those btc functions not alts, even if people will say otherwise.
[2017-01-28 19:35] ID=6068 Daruhshie: I want a wallet to store (assets/currencies) I don't need it for communication and I want every asset currency to be as securely stored as possible.
[2017-01-28 19:36] ID=6069 Daruhshie: Other wallets seem to be able to move beyond BTC quite easily .. what makes Mycelium so special it is not able to add alternative currencies
[2017-01-28 19:37] ID=6070 Daruhshie: — including the currencies it needs colu to handle
[2017-01-28 19:39] ID=6071 Daruhshie: — sorry: assets
[2017-01-28 19:39] ID=6072 DoubleYouSee23: Well I'm not a dev, so don't take my opinions as anything but. And from what I understand there is a major update coming soon. So maybe then
[2017-01-28 19:41] ID=6073 Daruhshie: — we can only hope. but doubt it will include support for anything else but — what is it ""omni" assets
[2017-01-28 21:31] ID=6074 RE_ID=6045 Rassah: I actually have no idea. If it's anything like our dev issues, it's probably just because it's a complicated switch, requiring a lot of very careful testing to avoid any bugs or security issues
[2017-01-28 21:37] ID=6075 RE_ID=6069 Rassah: Other wallets are able to add other currencies because they are very basic wallets to start with, and I suspect they just add things in a "good enough" manner where things just work. We have a lot of stuff to include with alt support, such as our already existing support for multiple accounts and hardware devices, which makes adding extra currencies not as easy, and we are also extremely paranoid about any code we add, checking it over to make sure it doesn't have back doors and that it won't accidentally lose people's money.\nWe likewise had base code for MT for a while now, but plugging it all into the wallet was a bit of an ordeal
[2017-01-28 22:02] ID=6076 Daruhshie: @Rassah : All I can say is Paranoid is good.. but keeping up with the world is also very important.
[2017-01-28 22:06] ID=6077 Daruhshie: I guess you get a lotta "bleep" from projects beyond the wallet.. Mycelium should make more clear which part of what company or what part of the company is dealing with what 😉
[2017-01-30 04:58] ID=6078 bits_of_change: I've recently learned that Breadwallet Android takes advantage of a verified boot chain and hardware encrypted keystore on compatible Android 6+ devices. It won't install on those without hardware support or those devices which have been rooted.\n\nAn interesting consequence of this was illustrated in a Reddit thread where the OP used Titanium Backup Pro to backup his 2 wallets: Jaxx and Breadwallet. Then he factory reset his phone. Jaxx was restored successfully afterward but the account data (private keys) generated in Breadwallet were not.\n\nhttps://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/5qtgeb/\n\nNow, I don't know if this is an attack vector for Jaxx, but I was curious for this team's thoughts on how Mycelium compares to these two and how it might leverage hardware security in the future.
[2017-01-30 06:09] ID=6079 jandreske: Mycelium data is flagged to not be part of backups. So when using mycelium on Android one needs to make the backup where 12 words are written down. \nAttacking backups is a common attack vector, they are often stored in insecure ways on insecure computers or even synchronized to some cloud. \nAlso, if private key data was available to backup apps / software, it would also be accessible for software posing as backup software which could then proceed to steal the keys.
[2017-01-30 07:15] ID=6080 ???: I still don't understand how individuals think a password manager or syncing your data over the Internet is safer than writing it down on a sheet of paper and stashing it in a hidden safe box.
[2017-01-30 07:16] ID=6081 ???: If you are afraid of the safe box being taken, get more than one and perform multiple manual backups.
[2017-01-30 10:04] ID=6082 thorbjorn: I don't think anyone thinks it's safer. It's just a hell of a lot more convenient. I use the TREZOR password manager, which should be about as safe as it gets without sacrificing convenience.
[2017-01-30 10:23] ID=6083 BB_Martino: ^ Agreed, people use passwords managers because it's easier than writing down the password. I don't use one but I can understand why people do.\n\nSheets of paper with passwords: not great if you have a break-in or a search by law enforcement. Not helping against IT compromise either, because if you have a spyware you'll end up entering the password anyway which the keylogger will see, the browser plugin will intercept, etc.
[2017-01-30 11:15] ID=6084 CryptoGafty: Eeasiest way to have BTC! https://t.co/u1qYnsTBtO
[2017-01-30 11:46] ID=6085 thorbjorn: @gcdtci Took me a while before I realized I could press Continue at the bottom of my screen. May want to move that one up below the input field.
[2017-01-30 11:47] ID=6086 thorbjorn: Anyway, since step 2 is to login and register, I don't agree this is the easiest way and I'll stop there, heh. I can buy Bitcoin without account at https://bitonic.nl/
[2017-01-30 11:53] ID=6087 Daruhshie: 
[2017-01-30 11:54] ID=6088 Daruhshie: Bitonic and Bl3P exchange rock!
[2017-01-31 04:15] ID=6089 DoubleYouSee23: is there anywhere to talk about swish?
[2017-01-31 11:31] ID=6090 Neo Cortex: None
[2017-01-31 11:31] ID=6091 Neo Cortex: How can I access my tokens? dashboard.colu.co doesn't work.
[2017-01-31 11:42] ID=6092 RE_ID=6091 cvennekel: Did you try deleting your browser cookies?
[2017-01-31 11:46] ID=6093 Neo Cortex: I use incognito mode in web browser
[2017-01-31 11:56] ID=6094 RE_ID=6093 cvennekel: what error are you getting? \nDid you try logging in via Colus Android/iOS app?
[2017-01-31 12:45] ID=6095 thorbjorn: dashboard.colu.co working fine for me in Chromium.
[2017-01-31 12:49] ID=6096 cvennekel: changing http to https resolved the issue for him
[2017-01-31 12:53] ID=6097 Neo Cortex: Yes, thanks
[2017-01-31 12:55] ID=6098 Neo Cortex: BTW, are there any news about mycelium tokens trading? What exchanges accept them? https://market.bitsquare.io/?market=mt_btc There is no one order at all.
[2017-01-31 13:32] ID=6099 thorbjorn: Ah, it was on https for me cause I chose the auto-completed entry... doesn't work for me either on http. Would be nice if they just made it redirect...
[2017-01-31 19:52] ID=6100 WACOMalt: None
[2017-01-31 19:53] ID=6101 WACOMalt: Hey guys, I'm having an issue using my BIP38 paper wallet with mycelium
[2017-01-31 19:53] ID=6102 WACOMalt: If I scan the spend code, then my password, it decrypts correctly. but when I san the payment QR code it will pop up the transaction info screen, then crash
[2017-01-31 19:54] ID=6103 WACOMalt: I dont have a hot wallet to test with so it may have nothing to do with my paper setup
[2017-01-31 19:54] ID=6104 Maxxsaan: None
[2017-01-31 19:54] ID=6105 WACOMalt: I'm on a Nexus 6P. Stock, unrooted Android 7.1.1
[2017-01-31 19:57] ID=6106 RE_ID=6098 Rassah: Still hoping Bittrex will add them
[2017-01-31 19:58] ID=6107 RE_ID=6105 Rassah: Hopefully there's nothing trying to interject in the camera, intending to change addresses you're sending to, and crashing when it fails. Unrooted is kind of a risk
[2017-01-31 20:01] ID=6108 WACOMalt: unrooted is a risk?
[2017-01-31 20:01] ID=6109 WACOMalt: I figured the opposite would be true
[2017-01-31 20:03] ID=6110 DoubleYouSee23: I think he accidentally mispoke...
[2017-01-31 20:04] ID=6111 Rassah: Oh. Doh!
[2017-01-31 20:04] ID=6112 Rassah: I'm sick, sorry. Rooted is a risk
[2017-01-31 20:04] ID=6113 Rassah: When it crashes, can you submit an error report?
[2017-01-31 20:35] ID=6114 WACOMalt: I did last time
[2017-01-31 20:36] ID=6115 Rassah: Thanks. We'll see if there's an issue on our end
[2017-01-31 20:40] ID=6116 WACOMalt: 👍
[2017-01-31 21:44] ID=6117 Maxxsaan: Just tested sending via a trezor on mycelium. Very nice
[2017-01-31 21:44] ID=6118 Maxxsaan: What happens to local trader?
[2017-01-31 21:45] ID=6119 RE_ID=6118 DoubleYouSee23: what do you mean?
[2017-01-31 22:11] ID=6120 Maxxsaan: How do I access it oO
[2017-01-31 22:15] ID=6121 DoubleYouSee23: Open Mycelium > go to the account menu >select the account you want your BTC sent to > swipe to the balance menu > click "Buy/Sell Bitcoin"
[2017-01-31 22:16] ID=6122 BB_Martino: Yeah it's funny... I have looked at that 'Buy/Sell bitcoin' box a million times while using MyCelium and when I heard about local trader and tried to find it in the menus or anywhere in the app the box somehow turned invisible (in my head only) and it had to be pointed out to me 😁
[2017-01-31 22:16] ID=6123 DoubleYouSee23: same here
[2017-01-31 22:17] ID=6124 DoubleYouSee23: made me feel pretty silly
[2017-01-31 22:19] ID=6125 DoubleYouSee23: Mao if you link your Trezor to Mycelium, and then leave your Trezor at home when you do local trades it gives you more security.
[2017-01-31 22:20] ID=6126 DoubleYouSee23: Just one of those silly things, but I think it's pretty cool.
[2017-01-31 22:20] ID=6127 Maxxsaan: I am kinda screwed though
[2017-01-31 22:20] ID=6128 DoubleYouSee23: why?
[2017-01-31 22:20] ID=6129 Maxxsaan: My username is used on an old device
[2017-01-31 22:20] ID=6130 Maxxsaan: And I no longer have the seed
[2017-01-31 22:20] ID=6131 DoubleYouSee23: your username from MLT?
[2017-01-31 22:20] ID=6132 BB_Martino: 'username' ?!
[2017-01-31 22:21] ID=6133 BB_Martino: oh, local trader.
[2017-01-31 22:21] ID=6134 DoubleYouSee23: if so, just make another one
[2017-01-31 22:21] ID=6135 Maxxsaan: Well its part of branding
[2017-01-31 22:21] ID=6136 Maxxsaan: Don't want to start reputation again
[2017-01-31 22:21] ID=6137 DoubleYouSee23: they removed most of the rep system IIRC it was too easy to game
[2017-01-31 22:22] ID=6138 DoubleYouSee23: yea, it's all gone
[2017-01-31 22:22] ID=6139 Maxxsaan: Yeah but I'm the same person which is important lok
[2017-01-31 22:22] ID=6140 Maxxsaan: People recognised name from localbitcoins etc
[2017-01-31 22:23] ID=6141 BB_Martino: Impersonate yourself with a similar nick :)
[2017-01-31 22:23] ID=6142 DoubleYouSee23: maybe, but you might be overestimating the cross contamination between programs. I only use MLT and most people I've met up through there seem to only use the one as well
[2017-01-31 22:24] ID=6143 Maxxsaan: I'm the UK localbitcoins is larger than the main exchange
[2017-01-31 22:24] ID=6144 DoubleYouSee23: i can't recall anyone who used LBTC, and i usually have coffee and talk for awhile during any trade
[2017-01-31 22:24] ID=6145 DoubleYouSee23: fair enough
[2017-01-31 22:24] ID=6146 DoubleYouSee23: everything i said was very anecdotal...
[2017-01-31 22:25] ID=6147 Maxxsaan: xD maybe if I seen my gpg key Rassah can remove the nym?
[2017-01-31 22:26] ID=6148 Maxxsaan: Or is it using some sort of keypair distributed store
[2017-01-31 22:28] ID=6149 DoubleYouSee23: if they can reset something like that I'd be pretty pissed tbh
[2017-01-31 22:28] ID=6150 DoubleYouSee23: It should be linked to your wallet and your seed
[2017-01-31 22:35] ID=6151 BB_Martino: 'local trader' isn't done on the blockchain so I think they have full access to do whatever, I just don't see them resetting any userinfo without the seed (and it wouldn't be needed with the seed)
[2017-01-31 22:59] ID=6152 DoubleYouSee23: i figured the identity was tied to your seed. If it's not I hope it can be one day
[2017-01-31 23:00] ID=6153 BB_Martino: It probably is, but it's still tied together on MyCelium's servers.
[2017-01-31 23:00] ID=6154 BB_Martino: i mean not the original seed, it would just unlock access to it. still, it's not a blockchain.
[2017-01-31 23:10] ID=6155 jandreske: Yes, the trader identity is tied to them seed (or private key, if you created the identity based on a single key account). And yes, in theory the trader identity could be deleted from there database manually, but I doubt anybody would do that without proof that it is actually yours, and if you could proof it by having the seed, you could as well delete or import it yourself. \n\nSo you don't have a backup? That is not cool, not only because of local trader, but for many reasons.
[2017-02-01 06:36] ID=6156 DoubleYouSee23: where can I find a list of the seed words most bitcoin wallets use?
[2017-02-01 06:57] ID=6157 RE_ID=6156 ShortFatUglyDumb: That's BIP39. https://github.com/bitcoin/bips/blob/master/bip-0039/bip-0039-wordlists.md
[2017-02-01 07:17] ID=6158 DoubleYouSee23: excellent, thank you twice.
[2017-02-01 12:10] ID=6160 RE_ID=6137 thorbjorn: Yeah, I was sad to see my 5 stars go. However, there is still the information about how many times a user has done a sucessful buy or sell.
[2017-02-01 12:10] ID=6161 thorbjorn: And the age of the account.
[2017-02-01 12:11] ID=6162 thorbjorn: My account is 1011 days old with 32 sells/9 buys. I'm sure people who look have a little more confidence. 😊
[2017-02-01 12:25] ID=6163 ShawnLeary: @Rassah do you recall that article/blog talking about one potential scenario with bitcoin where we could see a massive movement toward bitcoin as good money?  it's uber pumpy but well written.  i remember you sharing it awhile back and can't find it.
[2017-02-01 12:31] ID=6164 DanielWeigl: @ShawnLeary this one? http://blog.oleganza.com/post/145248960618/original-vision-of-bitcoin
[2017-02-01 13:09] ID=6165 ShawnLeary: that's a good one but not the one i was thinking about.  was more about what is good money and how it can flow away from bad money rapidly.
[2017-02-01 15:26] ID=6166 RE_ID=6163 Rassah: http://nakamotoinstitute.org/mempool/speculative-attack/
[2017-02-01 21:12] ID=6167 BtcNW: Sorry to ask this question.. I'm not familiar with Apple.. Where is the pin settings for security on the iPhone app.. Thank you
[2017-02-01 21:25] ID=6168 Rassah: There is no pin. Just fingerprint security
[2017-02-01 21:40] ID=6169 BtcNW: Perfect.. Thank you
[2017-02-03 21:29] ID=6170 DoubleYouSee23: mmmmmm mycelium update. so tasty
[2017-02-03 22:22] ID=6171 thorbjorn: But... adding a button to go to a website, where you can buy incredibly overpriced Bitcoin?
[2017-02-03 22:23] ID=6172 thorbjorn: Seems it's a 13% fee at 1 BTC.
[2017-02-03 22:23] ID=6173 DoubleYouSee23: full disclosure; I'm just happy whenever they update anything, I'm really excited for the release of their new wallet. But what they have updated doesn't effect me, still cool though
[2017-02-03 22:24] ID=6174 DoubleYouSee23: and the more options to buy the better IMO, even if they cost too much for me
[2017-02-03 22:26] ID=6175 thorbjorn: That's true.
[2017-02-03 22:27] ID=6176 thorbjorn: Looking forward to the new wallet as well.
[2017-02-03 22:27] ID=6177 thorbjorn: But for me, I will need to go into the settings again to disable this, because it causes an extra click after pressing Buy/Sell to get to Local Trader. :)
[2017-02-03 22:28] ID=6178 DoubleYouSee23: lol, yea I disabled it myself about 30 seconds after my post.
[2017-02-03 22:29] ID=6179 DoubleYouSee23: I'm not sure if everything should be enabled by default, and let us disable what we don't want or if everything should be simple as possible, with advanced settings available for those who want it
[2017-02-03 22:30] ID=6180 DoubleYouSee23: Another reason the new small client will be awesome
[2017-02-03 22:30] ID=6181 thorbjorn: Nobody would find these things if they weren't enabled by default in the current wallet. But for the new wallet I'm counting on a better solution.
[2017-02-03 22:31] ID=6182 DoubleYouSee23: IIUC the new wallet will only be a wallet, and everything additional will be a plugin you have to download on your own.
[2017-02-03 22:35] ID=6183 RE_ID=6182 Anomaly: This is the app model that I really prefer.
[2017-02-03 22:41] ID=6184 DoubleYouSee23: same.
[2017-02-04 04:15] ID=6185 RE_ID=6172 Rassah: The fee will change. That's just a set one for now
[2017-02-04 08:34] ID=6186 ShortFatUglyDumb: Basic question: When my Mycelium app (Android) gener8s a send tx, duz it broadcast directly to full nodes, or duz it send to Mycelium servers which then broadcast to peer nodes? Or another tx dissemination protocol? Thx.
[2017-02-04 09:14] ID=6187 RE_ID=6185 favdesu: how much of this revenue goes to mycelium investors?
[2017-02-04 10:13] ID=6188 RE_ID=6186 cvennekel: it goes to myceliums full nodes and then broadcast to other full nodes from there on afaik
[2017-02-04 10:15] ID=6189 ShortFatUglyDumb: Thx!
[2017-02-04 15:16] ID=6190 RE_ID=6187 Rassah: It goes to fund company expenses.
[2017-02-04 19:05] ID=6191 KJ: Any new updates regarding MT tokens. Not the ones from November
[2017-02-04 19:07] ID=6192 KJ: Also, does anyone have any experience with colu support? I have my login and pass and I can't access my account (it just sends me a verification link, even tho I'm verified. And now I no longer have access to that email the domain is down. The reason I was logging in was to change my email.. I have the credentials
[2017-02-04 20:10] ID=6193 RE_ID=6192 Rassah: @udiWertheimer
[2017-02-05 02:03] ID=6194 KJ: On telegram?
[2017-02-05 02:43] ID=6195 RE_ID=6194 Rassah: Yes. I forwarded your message to him. He used to be in this group
[2017-02-05 02:50] ID=6196 Rassah: Verification mail is sent every time a user logs in as a security precaution. Just click "Verify" link in the email to continue logging in. If there are any errors past this step please send me a screenshot / text of the error.\nThanks!
[2017-02-05 19:18] ID=6197 KJ: I don't have access to the email anymore
[2017-02-05 19:18] ID=6198 KJ: This is the issue
[2017-02-05 19:18] ID=6199 KJ: But I have my credentials
[2017-02-05 20:30] ID=6200 Transisto: Another 2 weeks for the new wallet?
[2017-02-05 20:31] ID=6201 Transisto: I mean not even a beta for investors to give their opinions?
[2017-02-05 20:32] ID=6202 favdesu: they don't give a fuck about investors
[2017-02-05 20:32] ID=6203 favdesu: that's the sad truth
[2017-02-05 20:33] ID=6204 DoubleYouSee23: A beta for us would be really cool
[2017-02-05 20:33] ID=6205 RE_ID=6203 DoubleYouSee23: Burning don't believe its fair to say this
[2017-02-05 20:33] ID=6206 DoubleYouSee23: But I*
[2017-02-05 20:48] ID=6207 RE_ID=6201 Rassah: We're updating the current wallet. Beta users just got access to being able to buy BTC with their credit card. The SPV module is still taking longer that I hoped.
[2017-02-05 21:20] ID=6208 Transisto: Newsflash, That's absolutely none of the business of a Bitcoin wallet to be selling bitcoin directly. You are not at the forefront of Bitcoin adoption,  the hundreds of companies selling bitcoin to end users are.  Luckily you're competing very poorly in the Bitcoin brokering business because do you think we would still tell people to use mycelium if you were to compete with us? . You were supposed to build a market for 3rd party financial services. Yet you only managed to offer your own.
[2017-02-05 21:33] ID=6209 Rassah: It's not our own, it's another third party plugin
[2017-02-05 21:38] ID=6210 Transisto: It's a Mycelium company,
[2017-02-05 21:40] ID=6211 Transisto: I think you're out of touch with reality to consider that buying Bitcoin with credit card is a wallet feature we want.  Why can't you just offer a 10 btc bounty to have RBF done? You don't seems aware that the shit has been hitting the fan for a while as it concern stuck transactions and frustrated customers.
[2017-02-05 21:41] ID=6212 Transisto: I think that's a good opportinity for wallets to stand out of the pack by allowing people to operate efficiently in the fee market.
[2017-02-05 21:46] ID=6213 Transisto: Not sure what kind of burden SPV solve on your end but I can't think of anyone that care much about whether Mycelium is SPV or not.  The 1% of people who care about increasing privacy can use tor or another wallet.
[2017-02-05 23:21] ID=6214 Rassah: SPV is part of switching from having to rely on our back end to the Bitcoin network as a whole. The servers we run cost us money and can't support too many people, so this is a must for our wallet to continue to function.
[2017-02-05 23:22] ID=6215 DoubleYouSee23: sounds like a good investment to me
[2017-02-05 23:23] ID=6216 Rassah: As for third party support for users to buy bitcoin, not everyone can set up an  exchange, and we earn money off the exchange. That's the point of our company long term, to earn money. All this development isn't free.
[2017-02-06 00:26] ID=6217 Godson_Mansa: Can someone buy my coins pls
[2017-02-06 00:26] ID=6218 Godson_Mansa: I'm tired of being a mycelium investor
[2017-02-06 00:27] ID=6219 Godson_Mansa: These tokens aren't even on cmc
[2017-02-06 00:28] ID=6220 Godson_Mansa: 100 million dollar valuation and we still don't have an exchange
[2017-02-06 00:33] ID=6221 bdavid1122: Agreed
[2017-02-06 00:34] ID=6222 Godson_Mansa: Worthless
[2017-02-06 00:34] ID=6223 Godson_Mansa: Any offers ?
[2017-02-06 00:34] ID=6224 bdavid1122: Probably not lol
[2017-02-06 00:34] ID=6225 Godson_Mansa: My bag is miniscule so you don't have to spend much
[2017-02-06 00:35] ID=6226 bdavid1122: I only have a small bag, don't want a medium bag.
[2017-02-06 01:21] ID=6227 DoubleYouSee23: If you can figure out a secure way to trade, get in touch with me. I'm not sending btc first fyi
[2017-02-06 06:59] ID=6228 thorbjorn: Same here.
[2017-02-06 08:28] ID=6229 Transisto: These guys seems to be killing it : http://samouraiwallet.com/alpha.html
[2017-02-06 08:51] ID=6230 jandreske: Samourai wallet was the one which just used the blockchain.info api in an earlier alpha, right? I remember some uproar about them claiming to be anonymous while handing data to a third party.
[2017-02-06 09:06] ID=6231 RE_ID=6230 cvennekel: afaik they still do, so wallet addresses are still sent to blockchain.info / blockr, \nIn progress: "End reliance on all third party APIs"
[2017-02-06 09:29] ID=6232 RE_ID=6218 ShortFatUglyDumb: IIUC, MTs were never meant 2 b a short-term speculation vehicle & instead were always meant as a long-term investment in the company. Be patient & HODL.....
[2017-02-06 11:00] ID=6233 RE_ID=6227 BitKralj: You can make a trade trough BitSquare https://market.bitsquare.io/?market=mt_btc
[2017-02-06 11:02] ID=6234 BitKralj: I'm selling my MT too, if anyone interested
[2017-02-06 12:14] ID=6235 thorbjorn: Bitsquare looks like something to dig into later.
[2017-02-06 15:55] ID=6236 RE_ID=6229 Rassah: They have a... basic understanding of privacy apparently. Their idea of hiding your tracks by just sending your coins through multiple transactions of your own addresses doesn't actually do anything, since such transactions are all obviously yours.
[2017-02-06 15:56] ID=6237 Rassah: They do seem to have some things we don't (and we have things they don't), and have the same plans as us
[2017-02-06 17:51] ID=6238 DoubleYouSee23: Are you guys (mycelium and samourai) still planning an info swap at some point? I know it had been discussed at some point, but I don't know if you ever came to an agreement.
[2017-02-06 17:53] ID=6239 DoubleYouSee23: the coolest features samourai has are the ability to hide the app entirely unless you text yourself a code which opens the app, and the ability to whitelist a friends phone number who can text you another secret code to delete the app from your phone
[2017-02-06 17:53] ID=6240 Rassah: Info swap?
[2017-02-06 17:56] ID=6241 DoubleYouSee23: There was talk of the two of you swapping notes to implement eachother features. something I read on Reddit, when the two groups ran into eachother in a thread. I may misremember, or I may have misunderstood some snarkiness.
[2017-02-06 18:03] ID=6242 Rassah: Yeah, you're right, a long time ago
[2017-02-06 19:13] ID=6243 jhon_Doe: someone interested to buy 10 MT token?
[2017-02-06 19:13] ID=6244 jhon_Doe: only escrow
[2017-02-06 19:33] ID=6245 DoubleYouSee23: not interested, but curious where you get trusted escrow
[2017-02-06 20:07] ID=6246 favdesu: use bitrated.com
[2017-02-06 20:09] ID=6247 HostFat: https://www.bitrated.com/HostFat\n\nI'm free if there aren't any disputes
[2017-02-06 21:44] ID=6248 Pepy Ganea: Does mycelium detect dublespend attempt?
[2017-02-06 21:44] ID=6249 Pepy Ganea: When receiving I mean ..
[2017-02-07 00:03] ID=6250 RE_ID=6239 ???: Sounds neat!
[2017-02-07 00:07] ID=6251 Transisto: Sorry to bring it to this but if you guys (and all other wallets) don't implement an comprehensive way to do CPFP or RBF within the next few weeks/months, a large fee event might cause a feedback loop that will destroy people's trust in bitcoin as a payment system.  When there are 70 000 transaction waiting for 3 days it's one thing,  but when 100 000 people have no way of doing anything for 2 weeks to bump their transaction fee,  public shitstorm will ensue and bitcoin price will collapse.
[2017-02-07 00:10] ID=6252 Transisto: What's so hard to add next to transaction details a "bump fee" button that create a transaction with the stuck input and add a fee comming from confirmed or the receiving funds themselves.
[2017-02-07 00:12] ID=6253 Transisto: I have to create a CPFP multiple times a day using a lot of Bitcoin just to unstuck stupid wallet transactions that didn't pay enough or mempool conditions that get worst and worst.  Ex: Blockchain.info is paying 65 sat/b at this time.
[2017-02-07 00:14] ID=6254 thecryptofiend: Hey @Transisto I didn't realise you were on here.  Do you have mycelium tokens?
[2017-02-07 00:15] ID=6255 AROMACOMPUTERS: I havent been having issues.\nEven when mem pool was like 10 blocks behind, I got in next block, and I had 3 confs witthin an hour.  By clicking priority on mycelium wallet.
[2017-02-07 00:16] ID=6256 AROMACOMPUTERS: And that included some crazy 48 min delay in finding a block
[2017-02-07 00:16] ID=6257 Rassah: We just have too few devs, and no one willing to help for free even though code is open for anyone to contribute to.
[2017-02-07 00:21] ID=6258 thecryptofiend: @Rassah Any news for the Mycelium tokens?
[2017-02-07 00:21] ID=6259 RE_ID=6258 Rassah: Nothing I'm aware of. It's been hard to reach the CEO cause he's out working on... Something
[2017-02-07 00:22] ID=6260 thecryptofiend: OK thanks.
[2017-02-07 00:24] ID=6261 Transisto: @AROMACOMPUTERS there are 72 000 transactions waiting to be confirmed, think of most of these as people who have no clue how bitcoin work and have so far just been patient for days waiting for a confirmation. If you have these people wait for a week or a month they will lose their shit.  I would not feel that stressed about segwit vs big blocks if wallets would allow users to move on with their life by paying up a 5$ transaction fee. None of my customers care about a 5$ fee but most don't want to be left without solution for hours days weeks....
[2017-02-07 00:25] ID=6262 thecryptofiend: @Transisto What is the solution though?  I am starting to lose faith in bitcoin a bit already.
[2017-02-07 00:26] ID=6263 RE_ID=6262 AROMACOMPUTERS: Idk, maybe Convince ViaBTC to quit using their veto card
[2017-02-07 00:26] ID=6264 HostFat: ViaBTC is doing good
[2017-02-07 00:26] ID=6265 AROMACOMPUTERS: Want someone to complain to, there ya go
[2017-02-07 00:26] ID=6266 HostFat: segwit is just a way to have the problem back again in the comming years
[2017-02-07 00:27] ID=6267 thecryptofiend: I'm not sure we will get unity in the bitcoin community though that is the real problem I think.
[2017-02-07 00:27] ID=6268 AROMACOMPUTERS: Segwit will prob never activate, as long as there is a veto card being played.  There no point migrating.
[2017-02-07 00:28] ID=6269 HostFat: wait for the Bitcoin Unlimited activation
[2017-02-07 00:28] ID=6270 RE_ID=6269 AROMACOMPUTERS: Which also "cannot" hapen with the segwit veto card played.
[2017-02-07 00:29] ID=6271 RE_ID=6270 HostFat: whatì? I think that you are mixing things
[2017-02-07 00:29] ID=6272 AROMACOMPUTERS: No im sayng with each having `~20%\nNobody can activate
[2017-02-07 00:29] ID=6273 thecryptofiend: Didn't bitcoin unlimited lose a whole block recently - I think that will likely sllow it down.
[2017-02-07 00:30] ID=6274 RE_ID=6273 AROMACOMPUTERS: Block found of 1,000,024\n24 to big
[2017-02-07 00:30] ID=6275 AROMACOMPUTERS: Bug in code imo
[2017-02-07 00:30] ID=6276 HostFat: there was a bug on the coinbase text
[2017-02-07 00:30] ID=6277 thecryptofiend: Yes it was a bug correct and it is fixed now.
[2017-02-07 00:30] ID=6278 RE_ID=6277 AROMACOMPUTERS: Until someone decides not to cooperate
[2017-02-07 00:31] ID=6279 AROMACOMPUTERS: Its a user config change
[2017-02-07 00:31] ID=6280 AROMACOMPUTERS: Anyhow, doesnt matter\nNeither can activate as we stand
[2017-02-07 00:31] ID=6281 thecryptofiend: OK I heard it was a bug have never used it myself.
[2017-02-07 00:32] ID=6282 AROMACOMPUTERS: Stalemate
[2017-02-07 00:33] ID=6283 RE_ID=6278 DoubleYouSee23: if someone wants to waste money using configs that lead to losing money let them.
[2017-02-07 00:33] ID=6284 RE_ID=6283 AROMACOMPUTERS: Someone did
[2017-02-07 00:33] ID=6285 DoubleYouSee23: they can do that with any client. The bug in BU was fixed
[2017-02-07 00:34] ID=6286 AROMACOMPUTERS: And everyone that relayed was banned\nLol
[2017-02-07 00:34] ID=6287 DoubleYouSee23: Source?
[2017-02-07 00:34] ID=6288 AROMACOMPUTERS: Google it
[2017-02-07 00:35] ID=6289 AROMACOMPUTERS: All th nodes that saw it as invalid block were happy to ban and move along with next block
[2017-02-07 00:35] ID=6290 AROMACOMPUTERS: Its an automatic trigger
[2017-02-07 00:35] ID=6291 thecryptofiend: So someone just made a mistake with a config file.  That sucks!
[2017-02-07 00:36] ID=6292 RE_ID=6286 DoubleYouSee23: You were correct.
[2017-02-07 00:37] ID=6293 RE_ID=6291 AROMACOMPUTERS: Everyone manually chooses their own blocksize
[2017-02-07 00:37] ID=6294 DoubleYouSee23: But the ban is only 24 hours
[2017-02-07 00:37] ID=6295 AROMACOMPUTERS: Imo, they can never have consensus within themselves
[2017-02-07 00:37] ID=6296 RE_ID=6294 AROMACOMPUTERS: Way too long to wait, im sure they rebooted on new ip
[2017-02-07 00:37] ID=6297 thecryptofiend: I have never had to do it but then I have never tried using any alt software and plus it is years since I mined bitcoin.
[2017-02-07 00:38] ID=6298 RE_ID=6296 DoubleYouSee23: I agree.
[2017-02-07 00:46] ID=6299 RE_ID=6266 ShortFatUglyDumb: According to Andreas Antonopolous, there will ALWAYS be a capacity issue on the Bitcoin blockchain. He says, like the internet, it will "fail to scale" for years to come. Meaning, as soon as more capacity is built, it will soon fill up and become a limited resource. That's just the way it is.
[2017-02-07 00:47] ID=6300 HostFat: I agree with this, still the free market should chose which is the right capacity
[2017-02-07 00:48] ID=6301 ShortFatUglyDumb: Anyway, SegWit was never meant as a scaling solution itself. I hate when people compare it to other potential scaling solutions, when it's not 1. But if it does activate, it will enable LN which is a scaling solution.
[2017-02-07 00:48] ID=6302 thecryptofiend: Interesting chat guys thanks:)
[2017-02-07 00:48] ID=6303 HostFat: I lke LN, but it only enable more tx x users, it doesn't allow more users
[2017-02-07 00:49] ID=6304 HostFat: anyway, LN just need the fix of malleability, this will be fixed even on BU\nhttps://bitco.in/forum/threads/buip037-hardfork-segwit.1591/
[2017-02-07 00:50] ID=6305 ShortFatUglyDumb: Yes, that's my major grievance about LN as well, that it can only scale tx's, not many additional users. I really hope MimbleWimble becomes a viable scaling sidechain. Or maybe this Tumblebit thing.
[2017-02-07 00:51] ID=6306 ShortFatUglyDumb: I guess we are sort of getting too off-topic though....
[2017-02-07 00:56] ID=6307 AROMACOMPUTERS: Segwit doesnt need LN to help scale larger
[2017-02-07 00:56] ID=6308 AROMACOMPUTERS: It also helps reduce the footprint
[2017-02-07 01:15] ID=6309 RE_ID=6261 Rassah: We get support complaints pretty regularly about stuck transactions. It's not like we're not aware of the problem
[2017-02-07 08:41] ID=6310 cvennekel: most of them just pay a too low fee and learn the hard way that they are trying to save fee on their own expense, a <50sat/byte fee will not get you into the next block or two.\n\nAs for stuck transactions, you can effectively chain transaction with a higher priority to it so that it gets attractive enough for miners to include the low priority one (CPFP), but that usually requires to know and add up transaction sizes and calculating the combined sat/byte fee, so you can help yourself, just most do not know how
[2017-02-07 09:53] ID=6311 Gladpack: But if most of them just pay a higher fee we'll still have the same problem. Core bans a 24 bytes too large block because it leads to centralization. It's kinda silly ;)
[2017-02-07 09:58] ID=6312 ShortFatUglyDumb: "Core bans a 24 bytes too large block because it leads to centralization." -- everyone's nodes in consensus bans blocks that are invalid, even if 1 byte too large. If that didn't happen, the system wouldn't work.
[2017-02-07 11:46] ID=6313 RE_ID=6303 RubenSomsen: It does allow more users, because the blockchain space a single user will take up can go down. If I want to pay 10 people, I can do that in a single open (and later close) transaction, as opposed to 10 separate transactions.
[2017-02-07 13:42] ID=6314 ShortFatUglyDumb: Right - it allows many more transactions, not more onboarding of users. Each user still needs a pair of occasional opens & closes. But I kinda see your point too - if more people use LN, that relieves some space on-chain which gives a little more room for new users. (But prolly not much?)
[2017-02-07 14:03] ID=6315 RE_ID=6314 RubenSomsen: How much more room it saves depends on how long the channel stays open and how many transactions you'll be performing. This could easily be a factor of 100. It absolutely doesn't negate the need for on-chain block space, but saying that it doesn't allow for a lot more users seems inaccurate.
[2017-02-07 14:54] ID=6317 cvennekel: do you have your address?
[2017-02-07 14:55] ID=6318 cvennekel: check your address here: http://coloredcoins.org/explorer/
[2017-02-07 14:55] ID=6319 cvennekel: if it has received the asset
[2017-02-07 14:55] ID=6320 cvennekel: if not, it likely was not send out
[2017-02-07 14:56] ID=6322 Daddy_Lessons: None
[2017-02-07 14:56] ID=6323 cvennekel: I do not have access to swish systems or swishcoins, I can tell you how to check it, then you know whether the issue is with Colu or if the coins were not sent your way yet
[2017-02-07 14:57] ID=6324 cvennekel: message us details such as mail to [email protected] and I will forward it accordingly
[2017-02-07 14:57] ID=6326 cvennekel: 
[2017-02-07 15:48] ID=6327 Rassah: Coin distribution is done manually, so our guy may just not have gotten to it yet. At this point we send out coins about once a week. But thanks for sending the email, it will at least let him know he has more to send.
[2017-02-07 15:55] ID=6329 Rassah: Yeah
[2017-02-07 16:13] ID=6331 Transisto: Most people, about 99%, Have never been explained clearly what this fee is for and how it can affect their transaction, Use a wallet that either doesn't allow to change fees or that doesn't provide enough information to make an informed decision and most importantly doesn't allow to recover from a mistake or adapt to a fee event in a comprehensible way.
[2017-02-07 16:13] ID=6332 Transisto: most of them just pay a too low fee and learn the hard way that they are trying to save fee on their own expense, a <50sat/byte fee will not get you into the next block or two.\n\nAs for stuck transactions, you can effectively chain transaction with a higher priority to it so that it gets attractive enough for miners to include the low priority one (CPFP), but that usually requires to know and add up transaction sizes and calculating the combined sat/byte fee, so you can help yourself, just most do not know how
[2017-02-07 16:14] ID=6333 Rassah: Good way to learn then
[2017-02-07 16:15] ID=6334 Transisto: (sorry was just trying to quote @cvennekel)
[2017-02-07 16:15] ID=6335 Rassah: We have a warning that if they use a low fee their transaction may take a long time
[2017-02-07 16:45] ID=6336 tasio: Can I import hpub key to Mycelium?
[2017-02-07 16:51] ID=6337 Rassah: Yes, but only as a QR code
[2017-02-07 16:52] ID=6338 Rassah: If you make a QR code out of it, you can import, Advanced, Scan, scan it, and it'll work
[2017-02-07 18:15] ID=6339 tasio: Thx (a bit strange but I like it)
[2017-02-07 21:31] ID=6340 JasonFS: Rassah, I'm looking for sponsors for an upcoming offshore sailboat race. Sponsorships start at 1 BTC and get your name/logo on the side of the boat all the way up to major sponsor status to change the name of the boat at 20 BTC.
[2017-02-07 21:33] ID=6341 Godson_Mansa: Lol ^
[2017-02-07 21:35] ID=6342 RE_ID=6340 Rassah: I don't think that would happen. We're still a struggling startup
[2017-02-07 21:39] ID=6343 JasonFS: Thanks for the consideration.
[2017-02-07 21:40] ID=6344 Rassah: You're such a lawyer
[2017-02-07 21:41] ID=6345 RE_ID=6344 JasonFS: Yes... yes I am.
[2017-02-08 12:00] ID=6346 ivglavas: Morning folks! I havent been here for about 4 months... is anything happening here with project and MT tokens or I can go back to sleep again for few months?
[2017-02-08 14:49] ID=6347 ???: @Rassah I am hearing some real red flags here in the chat. Comments about the development team is too small, no communication from the CEO, we are a "struggling startup", etc. You guys collected $5 million in capital through the MT crowdsale to grow the business. Why are you still struggling with an overworked team of engineers? What are our investments being used for?
[2017-02-08 14:56] ID=6348 ZaCkRrr: I just hope mycelium will still be the most secure mobile wallet and not letting politic destroy its brand
[2017-02-08 15:34] ID=6349 Rahoos: If I disable Glidera and credit card purchase options (so I only have one click to get to LocalTrader) I can't go back to the wallet main screen from LocalTrader except by closing the app. If I turn credit card or Glidera back on and I can go back to that screen from LocalTrader, and from there back to the wallet.
[2017-02-08 15:39] ID=6350 ShortFatUglyDumb: "I can't go back to the wallet main screen from LocalTrader except by closing the app" -- What happens when u click the left/back arrow on the top of the screen? It doesn't work for me -- it just refreshes the LocalTrader screen and I can't get back to the wallet. If u r experiencing the same, u r not alone. I reported it to Mycelium, but Leo couldn't reproduce the issue, so I assumed it was just my old phone.
[2017-02-08 16:18] ID=6351 RE_ID=6347 Rassah: $2 million. We hired one extra dev, and CEO was trying to hire more overseas hoping to get them cheap to stretch the money out, but that didn't work out. So we're still a small team. He's been out of touch for a while, I think working on getting Swish out, which kind of slows us down since we need his approval for everything.
[2017-02-08 16:28] ID=6352 RE_ID=6350 Rahoos: That's exactly what's happening, but I just figured out this morning that if I turn Glidera or credit card purchase options back on in settings, it stops happening. I can go from LocalTrader back to the purchase options screen, and from there back to the wallet screen.
[2017-02-08 16:30] ID=6353 RE_ID=6352 Rahoos: I meant to say, same as you if I tap the button in the upper left corner it just refreshes the Localtrader screen. Unless I turn Glidera or credit card options back on.
[2017-02-08 16:43] ID=6354 Transisto: Thanks for the honesty rassah
[2017-02-08 16:45] ID=6355 Transisto: I thought i was investing in mycelium because it needed to get in high gear to stand out from the pack.
[2017-02-08 16:46] ID=6356 Rassah: Yeah. Me too
[2017-02-08 16:58] ID=6357 DoubleYouSee23: meh, poiltics aside, mycelium is still the best wallet out there hands down.
[2017-02-08 16:58] ID=6358 Rassah: Thanks
[2017-02-08 17:03] ID=6359 ???: You converted all 5k BTC to USD back when it was exchanging in the $450s? Yikes. But I know these decisions were made by your CEO, not you. The next time you talk to him, would you please let him know that the investors are frustrated with the lack of progress.
[2017-02-08 17:05] ID=6360 DoubleYouSee23: I usually try not to fan the flames too much, but it seems most poeple are upset that this isn't the typical ICO pump and dump. It's an actual investment. It takes time to make returns. If you want out put up an offer on bitsquare
[2017-02-08 17:05] ID=6361 RE_ID=6359 Rassah: We converted half right away, and the other half later. We got burned really badly once when Bitcoin dropped 80% from $1000 and Russian rubble dropped about 80% (most of our CEOs money is locked in Russia), so he didn't want to take any more such risks.
[2017-02-08 17:06] ID=6362 RE_ID=6360 Rassah: The concern is legitimate. It's an investment, but we're taking too long to show results
[2017-02-08 17:06] ID=6363 RE_ID=6360 favdesu: Hardly see any "frustration" here. only concerned investors
[2017-02-08 17:06] ID=6364 Rassah: I'm frustrated by how long the back end changes are taking, and the lack of new hired help too. Especially since this reflects on me.
[2017-02-08 17:24] ID=6365 ???: Sorry you are stuck in the middle of this, @Rassah . I've been there. I'm not looking to cash out, just some confirmation that my investment is being used to grow the wallet, not redirected to whatever else has captured the CEO's attention at the moment.
[2017-02-08 17:34] ID=6366 RE_ID=6353 ShortFatUglyDumb: Yes, I too turned back on the interstitial buying-options screen to re-enable the back button bc of the bug. However, there was another workaround that worked 4 me: just using the physical back button/tap on my phone. It properly took me back from LocalTrader to Wallet in 1 tap.
[2017-02-08 17:37] ID=6367 AROMACOMPUTERS: Having 80,000 variaties of phones must make this simple 😂
[2017-02-08 17:38] ID=6368 Rassah: And varieties of Android versions
[2017-02-08 19:30] ID=6369 RE_ID=6366 Rahoos: Huh. I would've sworn I already tried my phone's back button, but it works now.
[2017-02-08 21:06] ID=6370 Transisto: Maybe paying someone a small amout to provide basic customer support on telegram or else would give you more time to confront the CEO.
[2017-02-08 21:23] ID=6371 Rassah: We have a guy. Constantin
[2017-02-08 21:26] ID=6372 Rassah: The problem isn't me not having enough time, it's him not having enough time
[2017-02-08 21:51] ID=6373 Qblu32ooth: I'd like a mycelium entropy paper wallet maker
[2017-02-08 22:15] ID=6374 RE_ID=6373 Rahoos: Me too.
[2017-02-08 22:17] ID=6375 RE_ID=6373 Rahoos: Check out opendime for a possible alternative.
[2017-02-08 22:19] ID=6376 RE_ID=6375 Rahoos: But they're not shipping the next batch until March.\nhttps://opendime.com
[2017-02-08 22:25] ID=6377 partyp88: Opendime is sorta different than entropy. Opendime is a disposable hardware wallet to be used as cash. Entropy simply helps you print bitcoin paper wallets.
[2017-02-08 22:41] ID=6378 partyp88: Opendime can be a fun gift to give someone. Entropy is a good way to store bitcoin.. especially using the "shared secret" mode
[2017-02-08 22:57] ID=6379 DoubleYouSee23: I love my entropy. Wish i had more opportunity to use it
[2017-02-08 22:59] ID=6380 RE_ID=6379 partyp88: Agreed!
[2017-02-08 23:07] ID=6381 Rassah: I use it to generate passwords
[2017-02-08 23:07] ID=6382 Rahoos: I think I could use an opendime much the same way I would use an Entropy, for cold storage. It would just be more expensive to squirrel away small amounts in multiple locations.
[2017-02-08 23:12] ID=6383 Rahoos: Heh. I think it'd be fun to print a bunch of paper wallets on stickers, load them all with a few dollars, hide them inside library books, menus, or other publicly accessible places, and then watch the addresses on the blockchain to see when they're discovered. Maybe the sticker could also point to a website for finders to post a comment.
[2017-02-08 23:32] ID=6384 RE_ID=6370 cvennekel: I'm here and I do see your suggestions on GitHub, thanks for that
[2017-02-09 00:04] ID=6385 RE_ID=6383 ShortFatUglyDumb: Fun idea! 😋
[2017-02-09 21:04] ID=6386 Transisto: Trezor answer to having a CPFP button,
[2017-02-09 21:04] ID=6387 Transisto: https://twitter.com/slushcz/status/829793747240177664
[2017-02-09 21:04] ID=6388 Transisto: "we'll implement something like this. CPFP is definitely useful feature in these times"
[2017-02-09 21:14] ID=6389 ???: I've always wanted to print a bunch of QR codes of private keys with a few $ of bitcoin and post them around town on various bulletin boards to see if anyone ever figures out what they are. You can always keep a copy of the key to take the money back later if nobody identifies them.
[2017-02-09 21:15] ID=6390 Transisto: Go for it, PS this has nothing to do with mycelium.  Use bitaddress.org for such project
[2017-02-09 21:16] ID=6391 ???: True, sorry to sidebar on this channel.
[2017-02-09 21:16] ID=6392 Transisto: We did that 4 times @ bitcoinembassy, Claiming rate for 5$ was 20% at the time.
[2017-02-09 21:26] ID=6393 Transisto: I have an idea, post to you facebook page that you can now buy bitcoin with credit card within the wallet.
[2017-02-09 21:26] ID=6394 Transisto: No update since ICO : https://www.facebook.com/myceliumcom/
[2017-02-09 21:30] ID=6395 Transisto: Do you have a page where we can see the skills you are looking to hire ? https://coinality.com/author/mycelium/
[2017-02-09 21:33] ID=6396 RE_ID=6389 cvennekel: I usually use bctip.org for stuff like that, they get returned automatically after a certain time if they are unclaimed
[2017-02-09 21:36] ID=6397 Transisto: Website down
[2017-02-09 21:38] ID=6398 Transisto: If you need help to do that you can msg me in private
[2017-02-09 21:38] ID=6399 Transisto: Matt
[2017-02-09 21:39] ID=6400 ???: Thx, I'm down with paper wallets, just too lazy to execute the plan so far. 😊
[2017-02-09 22:08] ID=6401 RE_ID=6394 Rassah: I don't have access to that. Whoever created that page never gave it to me
[2017-02-09 22:09] ID=6402 RE_ID=6395 Rassah: We had job postings there but we took them down until AK says it's OK to hire more people. Not sure if he's still looking in Russia
[2017-02-09 22:10] ID=6403 Qblu32ooth: https://www.youtube.com/shared?ci=N16g939QhtA
[2017-02-09 22:32] ID=6404 Cme: short cisco
[2017-02-10 18:32] ID=6405 BitsLab: None
[2017-02-10 20:17] ID=6406 Transisto: Is there an equivalent of this for mycelium?  changelog history  http://samouraiwallet.com/changelog/alpha3.html
[2017-02-10 20:44] ID=6407 ShortFatUglyDumb: I think so. Inside Mycelium: Menu -> About -> scroll down -> Changelog
[2017-02-13 06:05] ID=6408 😸inaboat: Hi. Am i right to say that Mycelium tokens wont ever be listed on Poloniex or Bittrex becos they do not list coins/tokens that are tied to securities or as such?
[2017-02-13 08:04] ID=6409 Transisto: I'd be more worried about the token having value than having it listed.
[2017-02-13 15:24] ID=6410 RE_ID=6408 Rassah: Bittrex was able to get all the requirements to be able to list them. But they said they don't think MT has enough user demand for them to bother, so we're asking users to poke them with requests
[2017-02-13 15:25] ID=6411 ShawnLeary: You guys should issue a MYCELIUMPEPE and get full funding for your project in maybe two or three days :)
[2017-02-13 15:25] ID=6412 Rassah: *facepalm*
[2017-02-13 18:08] ID=6413 RE_ID=6410 SJ C: that's pretty funny considering they have like 5 or 6 PAGES of mostly crap coins doing alot less than 1 btc a day in volume
[2017-02-13 18:14] ID=6414 Transisto: What's the Wallet status ? Going from working on the new wallet back to working on the old wallet, result is from here we see nothing happening whatsoever.
[2017-02-13 18:16] ID=6415 BitsLab: Tell me, will the version for windows?
[2017-02-13 18:33] ID=6416 RE_ID=6413 Rassah: I know, right? :( Maybe they're regretting wasted work and want to be more strict
[2017-02-13 18:33] ID=6417 RE_ID=6414 Rassah: Well, this was today:
[2017-02-13 18:35] ID=6418 Rassah: I had some progress on SPV thanks to Nelson joining. Now the transactions get recorded with confirmations counting (unless they were first seen as unconfirmed. confidenceType changes are still to be implemented.) The parent outputs needed to distinguish incoming from outgoing transactions are added back. (were removed due to the assumptions that our own outputs would be in the mbw backend as the mbw backend produces them)\n\nThere are still uncertainties (confidence changes are probably easy to implement in 2-3h. will create a task. Balance is zero. Have to look into that.)\n\nThe probably biggest remaining task is to handle the sync of all accounts – active or not – with the right timestamping to avoid unnecessary full resyncs that take hours but also avoid missing transactions.\n\nAnd the scariest part of some initial release of spvmodule capability is to merge all this back to master, test it, test how switching between using spv and not using spv works.
[2017-02-14 12:39] ID=6419 ivglavas: you should think of hiring some finnacial and marketing professionals with money you collected.. This way when IT people are in charge of everything, even money, community talks etc... project might easily collapse.. just imo
[2017-02-14 12:42] ID=6420 ivglavas: I mean, only Rassah is active here and talks with people and without questioning his IT expertise I think other skills (corporate communication of myc and financial interpretations) should be lead by other people...
[2017-02-14 12:43] ID=6421 ivglavas: Also what I see is that Nikolay is jumping all around the world with parachutes made of our money and posting pics on his fb, but here lacks infomration the most.. Not metioning poor exchanges comunication, low report writting etc...
[2017-02-14 12:45] ID=6422 ivglavas: Very bad produt leading...
[2017-02-14 15:52] ID=6423 RE_ID=6420 Rassah: Constantin and other devs are here too, and sometimes chime in too
[2017-02-14 15:52] ID=6424 BB_Martino: 'chime in'
[2017-02-14 15:52] ID=6425 BB_Martino: 😁
[2017-02-14 15:52] ID=6426 RE_ID=6421 Rassah: Nikolay took a month unpaid vacation, so not with your money.
[2017-02-14 16:17] ID=6427 Transisto: Might seem basic but not trying to insult, how much money is wasted monthly per users on servers costs for doing server balance checking? Maybe it'd be a better use of ressources to postpone that for having done the dozens of nearly cosmetic UX issues that have been made on github.  (seems easy to outsource) We basically all agreed that showing the fee in sat per byte at priority selection time was a good idea.  Also creating a CPFP button just spending the selected output might take a good dev an hour or less of work.
[2017-02-14 16:19] ID=6428 Transisto: I don't think my question was answered as it concern to expecting a release on the old wallet or the new wallet.
[2017-02-14 16:20] ID=6429 Rassah: The changes we did last summer/fall, if we didn't implement would have caused our backend to not be able to handle anymore transactions.  So that was critical
[2017-02-14 16:20] ID=6430 Rassah: For now we are using the old wallet to implement changes on
[2017-02-14 16:21] ID=6431 Transisto: What changes? Afaik mycelium is still running on their servers
[2017-02-14 16:22] ID=6432 Rassah: The changes to the servers, in how it manages the database
[2017-02-14 16:23] ID=6433 ivglavas: @Rassah my posts are not here for you to answer them the way you did but for you to make a move and make a change. Whole crypto comunity is filled with devs and no other people get a chance to get involved. Cmon, your answers are exactly why I decided to write few sentences. To stop that kind of "work" and point you that other type of people (not devs) shoud be hired and do their job. Devs cannot do it good.
[2017-02-14 16:24] ID=6434 Rassah: We use our own database that takes information out of the core blockchain and pulls out addresses and balances. That was you can get instant update on the balance for any address, instead of having good to sync the whole blockchain summing up all the inputs and outputs for every address.
[2017-02-14 16:24] ID=6435 ivglavas: and yes, your answer on my posts above prove that
[2017-02-14 16:24] ID=6436 Rassah: I would love to hire more devs
[2017-02-14 16:26] ID=6437 BB_Martino: Airbitz are doing a much better job at privacy, but their whole wallet starts with asking you to register with an email and password and the last time I tried it, I couldn't even import an xpub or use it with my Trezor. I prefer MyCelium's "bitcoin in its raw form" approach. Except the relying so much on their servers part :(
[2017-02-14 16:27] ID=6438 ivglavas: @Rassah because you would you will forever be developer and never something more. Good bye
[2017-02-14 16:28] ID=6439 Rassah: Should that button consider the full tree of unconfirmed parent transactions and respective other child transactions that already try to bump the fee? Probably several days at least.
[2017-02-14 16:28] ID=6440 Rassah: Should it just consider the one unconfirmed transaction and create a "priority" child transaction: 2h.
[2017-02-14 16:28] ID=6441 Rassah: Should it bump direct parent + child to priority level? Again, hours because we have the parent transactions.
[2017-02-14 16:28] ID=6442 Rassah: then there is some uncertainty of sanity checks in the fee handling that would need some override etc.
[2017-02-14 16:28] ID=6444 RE_ID=6437 Rassah: Use Orbot
[2017-02-14 16:29] ID=6446 RE_ID=6438 Rassah: I'm not a developer
[2017-02-14 16:31] ID=6447 ivglavas: 
[2017-02-14 16:32] ID=6448 Rassah: I asked if my devs could implement the Satoshi per byte and very basic CPFP thing.
[2017-02-14 16:39] ID=6449 Rassah: OK, tasks created. Hopefully we'll have sat/byte and basic CPFP done this week.
[2017-02-14 16:43] ID=6450 BB_Martino: Awesome 👍
[2017-02-14 20:36] ID=6451 Transisto: That feature coud indeed check the last few, maybe 5, parent transactions and generate the fees choices based on the average of all unconfirmed fee/byte then show the new average for all of those. Basically show the new transactoin as one including  size of all unconfirmed but still show the total in $ for that specific new transaction.   We don't need to see that that transaction we just did was 1000 sat/byte to make up for previous unconfirmed but see the resulting average fees.  Hope that make sense.
[2017-02-14 21:51] ID=6452 Rassah: Not at all
[2017-02-14 21:51] ID=6453 Rassah: Sort of
[2017-02-14 23:19] ID=6454 cvennekel: I get transistos suggestion, not sure I get Ivans point though
[2017-02-15 11:49] ID=6455 RE_ID=6451 cvennekel: 
[2017-02-15 12:14] ID=6456 RubenSomsen: Does anyone here keep an eye on the Mass network ico stuff? They had a room on telegram  that just seems to have gotten shut down.
[2017-02-15 12:15] ID=6457 favdesu: Looks like another dead investment
[2017-02-15 12:16] ID=6458 RubenSomsen: The Mycelium CEO is connected to it, so it seems relevant to this channel.
[2017-02-15 13:14] ID=6459 franull: If someone is interested in buying MT, feel free to contact me.\nWe can use your desired escrow service 👍🏼
[2017-02-15 14:17] ID=6461 hkrdrm: where all can i sell MT? is bitsquare the only place?
[2017-02-15 14:25] ID=6462 hkrdrm: whats the status on the API
[2017-02-15 14:27] ID=6463 RE_ID=6461 cvennekel: yes, atm bitsquare is the only place
[2017-02-15 15:01] ID=6464 RE_ID=6456 Rassah: Woah, that's concerning...
[2017-02-15 15:02] ID=6465 RE_ID=6458 Rassah: We knew he was planning to invest in it in December, but I don't know if he ever went through with it
[2017-02-15 16:18] ID=6466 DoubleYouSee23: does anyone know the date the MT crowsale ended?
[2017-02-15 16:21] ID=6467 BitKralj: somewhere in May 2016, I think
[2017-02-15 16:22] ID=6468 hkrdrm: wow that long
[2017-02-15 16:22] ID=6469 Cme: MT crowdsale started May 1, 2016, 23.59 PST and ended May 18th, 2016 23.59
[2017-02-15 16:30] ID=6470 BB_Martino: i would have said 'few months ago tops', damn time flies
[2017-02-15 17:18] ID=6471 favdesu: since may? wow, time flies for sure
[2017-02-15 18:56] ID=6472 ???: From the original discussion of the crowdsale on Reddit: "If our project successfully transitions from a bitcoin wallet to a digital asset management platform that supports currencies and business services through plugins, and makes money through licensing and revenue sharing charged to businesses that offer apps through our project, basically becoming an app store for all things crypto, we could earn quite a lot. It's the same "connect businesses to users through one unified service" business that Appstore, Google Play, and even Amazon, eBay, and Airbnb use."
[2017-02-15 18:56] ID=6473 ???: Is that still the plan?
[2017-02-15 19:05] ID=6474 Rassah: Yes. We're still adding more third party support now, while converting the back end to be currency agnostic
[2017-02-16 02:48] ID=6475 KJ: Anyone know what a MT token is even trading for on bitsquare at the moment ?
[2017-02-16 02:49] ID=6476 KJ: Last time I checked months ago we've lost over 40% of our investment
[2017-02-16 02:49] ID=6477 KJ: At least on that market
[2017-02-16 18:10] ID=6478 WACOMalt: Hey a friend of mine is getting crashes trying to restore his paper backup
[2017-02-16 18:10] ID=6479 WACOMalt: gets to about 70% and force closes
[2017-02-16 18:10] ID=6480 WACOMalt: I sent him the link to this chat
[2017-02-16 18:10] ID=6481 WACOMalt: but is this a known bug?
[2017-02-16 18:15] ID=6482 ???: None
[2017-02-16 18:16] ID=6483 ???: Hello 👋
[2017-02-16 18:25] ID=6484 Rassah: Hi
[2017-02-16 18:43] ID=6485 WACOMalt: Hi Nick
[2017-02-16 18:43] ID=6486 WACOMalt: (That's the friend)
[2017-02-16 21:34] ID=6487 bigs21024: i have 0.1263373 mycelium token is anyone interested in buying them if so please email me @ [email protected] i am not on here much and i may not see if someone responds. i have had them since day 1 i do not want to sell but i need the btc
[2017-02-16 21:46] ID=6488 jandreske: What kind of paper backup is it? (the one that crashes)
[2017-02-16 22:15] ID=6489 RE_ID=6488 cvennekel: it's a legacy backup of single address accounts, we're pning
[2017-02-16 22:17] ID=6490 jandreske: Okay
[2017-02-16 23:16] ID=6491 NitkoNista: None
[2017-02-17 08:29] ID=6492 Ivek66: None
[2017-02-18 02:00] ID=6493 leomcardle3: None
[2017-02-18 15:01] ID=6494 bigs21024: anyone interested in buying my tokens
[2017-02-18 15:08] ID=6495 JasonFS: what tokens?
[2017-02-18 15:09] ID=6496 bigs21024: mycelium
[2017-02-18 15:09] ID=6497 JasonFS: How many?
[2017-02-18 15:10] ID=6498 bigs21024: 0.1263373
[2017-02-18 15:11] ID=6499 JasonFS: is that in BTC, or in mycelium?
[2017-02-18 15:14] ID=6500 bigs21024: mycelium i bought at ico for 0.12 btc the same amout of tokens it cost in btc
[2017-02-18 15:15] ID=6501 JasonFS: sure... I'll buy, unless @Rassah wants to buy back first.
[2017-02-18 15:16] ID=6502 bigs21024: just let me know
[2017-02-18 15:16] ID=6503 Rassah: I don't own any
[2017-02-18 15:16] ID=6504 bigs21024: wow shocking
[2017-02-18 15:16] ID=6505 Rassah: Makes it easier to avoid conflicts of interest and insider trading
[2017-02-18 15:17] ID=6506 JasonFS: @Rassah , as these would be my first "tokens" - what platform are you using to distribute the tokens? Your Mycelium wallet?
[2017-02-18 15:17] ID=6507 bigs21024: 0.126 and you own them @Jason Seibert
[2017-02-18 15:17] ID=6508 Rassah: Currently the Colu dashboard
[2017-02-18 15:17] ID=6509 JasonFS: I see - so I have to figure out Colu... okay - gimme a second.
[2017-02-18 15:18] ID=6510 bigs21024: ok its not hard
[2017-02-18 15:19] ID=6511 JasonFS: Rassah, what is the current value of the token?
[2017-02-18 15:21] ID=6512 Rassah: We had delay after delay to get the Colu support implemented in our wallet. Too much to do, not enough people
[2017-02-18 15:22] ID=6513 RE_ID=6511 Rassah: I don't know. Most trades have been in private recently
[2017-02-18 15:22] ID=6514 JasonFS: So you are saying that the secondary market for Mycellium tokens is an OTC/PTP market, not supported by any exchange, and the current value of the token is unknown?
[2017-02-18 15:23] ID=6515 BB_Martino: What is the primary market?
[2017-02-18 15:29] ID=6516 JasonFS: If I recall, and correct me if I'm wrong, the token is representative of a share of the wallet company, correct?
[2017-02-18 15:29] ID=6517 BB_Martino: Except you have no vote or claim to any money.
[2017-02-18 15:30] ID=6518 bigs21024: @jason let me know
[2017-02-18 15:30] ID=6519 Rassah: They are traded on Bitsquare, but there haven't been trades there in a while
[2017-02-18 15:30] ID=6520 RE_ID=6516 Rassah: Yes
[2017-02-18 15:30] ID=6521 BB_Martino: There was something like "if we ever go public and swim in cash, we may decide to give token holders something"
[2017-02-18 15:30] ID=6522 BB_Martino: What does the representation entail?
[2017-02-18 15:30] ID=6523 bigs21024: everyone is holding for the long run that is what i planed to do but i have things come up and im selling all my stuff i have to
[2017-02-18 15:31] ID=6524 Rassah: Any increase in company valuation would entitle you do the difference
[2017-02-18 15:31] ID=6525 RE_ID=6522 Rassah: 5% of the company
[2017-02-18 15:33] ID=6526 JasonFS: per Bitsquare, it appears the last market trade was 1 MT = .4 BTC, correct?
[2017-02-18 15:38] ID=6527 RE_ID=6526 GB: I'd sell you 1.1 for 1 BTC right now so I doubt it
[2017-02-18 15:39] ID=6528 JasonFS: That's more than double the last market trade.
[2017-02-18 15:40] ID=6529 JasonFS: Also, you valuation is high as BTC has gone up significantly since the ICO with no indicationt that MT has tracked with the value of BTC.
[2017-02-18 15:40] ID=6530 BitKralj: I can sell you 1 MT for 0.6 btc
[2017-02-18 15:41] ID=6531 jshii: I think the BTC price at the time of the crowdsale was something like $465 if I remember correctly
[2017-02-18 15:41] ID=6532 JasonFS: Now we are getting more realistic - let's compare value to value.
[2017-02-18 15:41] ID=6533 bigs21024: 0.05
[2017-02-18 15:41] ID=6534 Rassah: Technically MT, for company accounting reasons, was locked at the USD price at the time the sale ended
[2017-02-18 15:41] ID=6535 JasonFS: Do you remember what that USD price was, Rassah?
[2017-02-18 15:42] ID=6536 JasonFS: Okay - so if MT was $465 per single MT, and you are offering 1 MT today for 1 BTC, are you claiming that MT has nearly trippled in value, or do you think I'm a jackass?
[2017-02-18 15:42] ID=6537 bigs21024: nevermind i will just hold them im not going to just give them away i know what i paid for them at the time but of course btc went up since then
[2017-02-18 15:43] ID=6538 JasonFS: I mean, I could be a jackass... I'm willing to admit that!!! LOL!!!
[2017-02-18 15:43] ID=6539 JasonFS: ***not agro in anyway here - having coffee and a bit of fun.
[2017-02-18 15:44] ID=6540 bigs21024: all you had to do was say no no need to blow shit up like that and i guess if you are saying your a jackass maybe you need to rethink yourself
[2017-02-18 15:44] ID=6541 bigs21024: 👌
[2017-02-18 15:44] ID=6542 JasonFS: Not saying no, just analyzing the trade and doing it in a public forum so a market analysis could be done.
[2017-02-18 15:44] ID=6543 JasonFS: No offense intended or offered.
[2017-02-18 15:44] ID=6544 bigs21024: all you had to say was no thats to hih iits a small amount and ill just hold before i give away bro
[2017-02-18 15:45] ID=6545 bigs21024: its all good man i see your point
[2017-02-18 15:45] ID=6546 bigs21024: its like anything else they may be worth a bit down the road and they could flop who knows
[2017-02-18 15:46] ID=6547 JasonFS: I get it, but right now BTC is prime and on the rise, right? So to give up BTC, a tracked value, for an unknown asset - MT, is a risk. The person taking risk is generally allowed a premium - not the person offering the risk.
[2017-02-18 15:47] ID=6551 bigs21024: just seen your pm responded @Jason
[2017-02-18 15:49] ID=6553 JasonFS: For example, I would have said, "Are you f** kidding me? On what planet do you think that a completely dark asset has ANY value, let alone has tracked BTC for the past few months? Are you a trog? A chromag? Some neolithic holdover from the stone ages??\n\nNot saying that at all, but that would be something I would say if I was offering offense.
[2017-02-18 15:49] ID=6554 bigs21024: haha
[2017-02-18 15:50] ID=6555 BB_Martino: I have two offenses on offer. Anybody want to trade them for MT? 😁
[2017-02-18 15:50] ID=6556 jshii: I do look forward to the day when all of a company's activities can be priced in BTC
[2017-02-18 15:50] ID=6557 RE_ID=6556 Rassah: Me too
[2017-02-18 15:52] ID=6558 JasonFS: @Rassah Rassah, how many MT were sold?
[2017-02-18 15:54] ID=6559 JasonFS: ...and correct me if I'm wrong, was the token offered around May 1, 2016?
[2017-02-18 15:54] ID=6560 BitKralj: You're right
[2017-02-18 15:54] ID=6561 BitKralj: Total funds raised:\n5,131.445 BTC\n\nAmount raised represents 5% stake of Mycelium Wallet.\nMany thanks to over 2500 participants in the Mycelium Wallet.
[2017-02-18 15:55] ID=6562 BitKralj: So there is 5131 MT
[2017-02-18 15:55] ID=6563 JasonFS: Okay - so about 2.38 million.
[2017-02-18 15:55] ID=6564 JasonFS: USD.
[2017-02-18 15:58] ID=6565 JasonFS: by way of example, ETH was .018 BTC on or about May 1. today it is worth .011. That's about 61% less value compared to BTC today than on the same date is the ITO of Mycelium...
[2017-02-18 15:59] ID=6566 JasonFS: So - if the MT was pegged at the USD on May 1 compared to BTC, and BTC was $465, that means that MT - if it tracked the market, would be about 60% of the value... meaning approximately $279 USD per MT today.
[2017-02-18 16:00] ID=6567 JasonFS: that means that 1 MT would be valued at about .26 BTC today, if we were tracking...
[2017-02-18 16:03] ID=6568 JasonFS: I'll offer .13 BTC for 1 MT. Why? Pricing in risk.
[2017-02-18 16:06] ID=6569 Rassah: That sounds terrible, but have to remember that pricing in BTC and BTC has gone way up
[2017-02-18 16:07] ID=6570 JasonFS: No offense intended.
[2017-02-18 16:07] ID=6571 JasonFS: or offered...
[2017-02-18 16:09] ID=6572 BitKralj: I don't understand your calculation. If 1 MT was worth  $465, thats 0.43 BTC right now
[2017-02-18 16:12] ID=6573 JasonFS: Market valuation of other crypto-ventures and likelihood of MT tracking with the rest of the traded market, if it were traded.
[2017-02-18 16:13] ID=6574 JasonFS: and using ETH as a baseline.
[2017-02-18 16:13] ID=6575 BitKralj: And why exactly would u use ETH as a baseline?
[2017-02-18 16:14] ID=6576 JasonFS: Because it consistently has the most volume of any cryptoasset in the market.
[2017-02-18 16:14] ID=6577 JasonFS: other than BTC.
[2017-02-18 16:15] ID=6578 BitKralj: lol
[2017-02-18 16:15] ID=6579 JasonFS: This is my market valuation and interpretation - doesn't mean it is yours, but without an active market, I have to do some measure of value to determine price if I'm going to purchase. Right? So, that's my analysis. If I'm wrong, the market will prove me wrong.
[2017-02-18 16:16] ID=6580 JasonFS: You've suggested that 1MT is .43 BTC. To test your theory, place 1 MT on the market and see if you can get a buyer at .43 BTC. If you can, you are correct.
[2017-02-18 16:17] ID=6581 JasonFS: Right now, I've offered .13 BTC for one MT. No one has sold. So I'm incorrect right now. And so on, and so forth.
[2017-02-18 16:18] ID=6582 JasonFS: There should be zero emotion involved - just analysis and market theory. The moment emotion is involved, your decisions become clouded - but I'm not offering anything new...
[2017-02-18 16:23] ID=6583 BB_Martino: If the orderbook existed, the chart would have a flatline in the middle and big walls forming on the opposite sides.
[2017-02-18 16:23] ID=6584 BB_Martino: (by the sound of it)
[2017-02-18 16:32] ID=6585 JasonFS: that seems to be where we are, yes.
[2017-02-18 16:44] ID=6586 JasonFS: @Rassah - have you considered adding support in your Mycelium wallet for an MT?
[2017-02-18 16:45] ID=6587 JasonFS: Also, with only 5000 MTs, that puts a hamper on liquidity for a secondary market.
[2017-02-18 17:12] ID=6589 RE_ID=6587 Rassah: That's the amount of tokens that were bought
[2017-02-18 17:15] ID=6590 benmorris: Didn't we used to be able specify an amount for miner fee? Vs preset values?
[2017-02-18 17:15] ID=6592 RE_ID=6590 Rassah: You still can
[2017-02-18 17:19] ID=6594 RE_ID=6592 benmorris: Hmm. On Android seems presets of Economic, etc are only options. I will try to see where the setting is.
[2017-02-18 17:20] ID=6595 Rassah: Those are the options, yes. Sorry, I must've misunderstood your question
[2017-02-18 17:20] ID=6596 Rassah: Oh.. yeah, sorry, no there was never a manual option for the fees
[2017-02-18 17:22] ID=6597 benmorris: Blockchain wallet allows you to specify...Seems interesting option to parse transactions..
[2017-02-18 17:26] ID=6598 JasonFS: @Rassah, how did you create the tokens?
[2017-02-18 17:27] ID=6599 JasonFS: Is there a Mycelium coin that I can set up a mining box? is it a wholly premined coin?
[2017-02-18 17:40] ID=6600 RE_ID=6598 Rassah: Using Colu dashboard
[2017-02-18 17:41] ID=6601 Rassah: It's a colored coin that runs on top of Bitcoin
[2017-02-18 17:41] ID=6602 JasonFS: hmmmm....
[2017-02-18 20:34] ID=6603 bigdaddyX: Does anyone here at mycelium know anything about Mass.Network? It seems the last remaining project member has vanished. With this project supposedly being owned by Kuzmin, folks are going ballistic.
[2017-02-18 20:40] ID=6604 bigdaddyX: People are suggesting there's been an outright theft of ICO funds. Legal action being threatened. It doesn't reflect well on Mycelium given their unofficial but absolute connections to mass.
[2017-02-18 21:28] ID=6605 Rassah: Unfortunately no. From what I understood, AK, Mycelium CEO, planned to invest a million of his own money into the project, and take over as a CEO. That does not mean that he planned to actually own it outright. I don't actually know if that ever happened
[2017-02-18 22:06] ID=6606 Liedes: Was leaving some telegram groups and remembered that I'm involved in the shittiest ico ever made
[2017-02-18 22:07] ID=6607 Liedes: Funny how rassah is totally fine being the guy who answers the questions about their scam
[2017-02-18 22:08] ID=6608 Liedes: Wonder how much u got paid loo
[2017-02-18 22:10] ID=6609 Liedes: I don't own any
[2017-02-18 22:10] ID=6610 ZaCkRrr: I wonder is mycelium wallet still trusted ?
[2017-02-18 22:10] ID=6611 favdesu: there's nothing better for android?
[2017-02-18 22:11] ID=6612 ZaCkRrr: I use COINOMI
[2017-02-18 22:11] ID=6613 ZaCkRrr: But mycelium brainkey can be recover in coinomi because both use same bip
[2017-02-18 22:12] ID=6614 Valen_tin: B I P 3 9\nI\nP\n3\n9
[2017-02-18 22:13] ID=6615 ZaCkRrr: M Y C E L L I U M\nY Y\nC   C\nE     E\nL       L\nL         L\nI           I\nU             U\nM               M
[2017-02-18 22:14] ID=6616 Valen_tin:       W\n    A   A\n  L       L\nL           L\n  E       E\n    T   T
[2017-02-18 22:21] ID=6617 RE_ID=6607 Rassah: Which one?
[2017-02-18 22:22] ID=6618 Rassah: I only know about this one
[2017-02-18 22:23] ID=6619 Rassah: And I only answer what I know
[2017-02-18 22:24] ID=6620 ZaCkRrr: I still believe in mycellium because it is among oldest bitcoin wallet
[2017-02-18 23:35] ID=6621 GuerraMoneta: I love mycelium for android \n\nIt's my go to wallet to carry some crypto pocket change and teach people btc fast
[2017-02-18 23:37] ID=6622 GuerraMoneta: I love how I can have a friend loaded up with btc, in a reasonable amount of time, and they can get into btc by using things like purse.io and mycelium\n\nAll in the time we have a beer at the bar
[2017-02-19 07:10] ID=6623 bigdaddyX: @Rassah according to the mass website and numerous crypto news outlets the purchase happened. So somewhere between AK and the original team 300 btc went missing. The silence is deafening.
[2017-02-19 07:22] ID=6624 bigdaddyX: I would emplor anyone who works for mycelium to ask their senior management to make an official statement on the relationship with Mass. Until that happens mycelium look like a guilty party in an  ICO fraud.
[2017-02-19 07:26] ID=6625 ZaCkRrr: there was telebit bitcoin wallet, telegram bot designed by BTS dev , i read it got support by Trezor and BTS dev make me confidence to use it....at the end i lost 10btc burn inside that telebit because the poject is being pass to other hand and the BTS dev dont want to take guity for it. I did try to contact Trezor but they dont gives a shit about it....so it just burn like that
[2017-02-19 07:27] ID=6626 ZaCkRrr: this scam bot still got its website tho https://www.telebit.org
[2017-02-19 15:16] ID=6627 RE_ID=6624 Rassah: It's on my list of things to ask as soon as I can get in touch with him
[2017-02-19 18:06] ID=6628 TheSatMan: Since the ICO - what have your team achieved? What progress has been made, what is the plan etc.?
[2017-02-19 18:08] ID=6629 BB_Martino: 
[2017-02-19 18:08] ID=6630 BB_Martino: (sorry, had to)
[2017-02-19 18:41] ID=6631 TheSatMan: LOL
[2017-02-19 18:42] ID=6632 TheSatMan: I would like to get the NEWS ☝🏼😂👌🏼
[2017-02-19 18:45] ID=6633 TheSatMan: I own 10 MT if any own is interested?
[2017-02-19 19:09] ID=6634 Valen_tin: What's the point of owning 1 MT?
[2017-02-20 00:23] ID=6635 TheSatMan: @Rassah what is your progress since the ICO?? What are plans, vision, goals etc for 2017?? Please elaborate ! 2.500 people are missing some explanation - what is going on?
[2017-02-20 00:31] ID=6636 Masta_Don769: None
[2017-02-20 02:29] ID=6637 AniHusni: None
[2017-02-20 03:22] ID=6638 bigdaddyX: Hey, is Alexander Kuzmin of Mycelium the same guy who was once mayor of a town in Russia?
[2017-02-20 04:00] ID=6639 Rassah: Yes. Of Megion
[2017-02-20 04:00] ID=6640 Rassah: Mycelium used to be Megion R&D. His dad founded that town
[2017-02-20 04:02] ID=6641 AROMACOMPUTERS: Thats cool
[2017-02-20 04:02] ID=6642 AROMACOMPUTERS: Founded a whole town
[2017-02-20 05:44] ID=6643 TheSatMan: @Rassah what is your progress since the ICO?? What are plans, vision, goals etc for 2017?? Please elaborate ! 2.500 people are missing some explanation - what is going on?
[2017-02-20 06:36] ID=6644 btc12com: what happened the the mass telegram group?
[2017-02-20 06:37] ID=6645 btc12com: is mass ICO a pure scam?
[2017-02-20 06:41] ID=6646 mishax1: If only 20% of this little group would ask bittrex to add MT that would be 50 emails for them to read..
[2017-02-20 07:29] ID=6647 RE_ID=6645 favdesu: Most likely
[2017-02-20 07:58] ID=6648 ZaCkRrr: The question is how does mycellium is related with it
[2017-02-20 09:59] ID=6649 bigdaddyX: Kuzmin was the escrow who holds all the ICO funds. It seems very related.
[2017-02-20 12:26] ID=6650 jeromerousselot: None
[2017-02-20 12:26] ID=6651 cvennekel: Welcome Jerome
[2017-02-20 16:54] ID=6652 CryptoBNS: None
[2017-02-20 21:01] ID=6653 Transisto: 
[2017-02-20 21:02] ID=6654 Transisto: Just complaining,  paid priority fee 8 times already
[2017-02-20 21:05] ID=6655 Rassah: That's why CPFP is a crap solution...
[2017-02-20 21:54] ID=6656 bits_of_change: CPFP doesn't help, Rassah?
[2017-02-20 22:14] ID=6657 Rassah: It at most helps. If you CPFP while everyone else is trying too, or the network is flooded more (which CPFP contribute to since they just add more transactions) at best you'll be where you were.
[2017-02-20 22:15] ID=6658 RE_ID=6657 AROMACOMPUTERS: So its good for changing from low to priority? Once
[2017-02-20 22:17] ID=6659 AROMACOMPUTERS: I must have the luck of a champion, never had an issue, beyond maybe 5 hrs waiting at the longest ever.
[2017-02-20 22:20] ID=6660 Rassah: Me neither, but I rarely make transactions that I need ASAP.
[2017-02-20 23:30] ID=6661 Transisto: @Rassah Are you for real ? What suck big time is trying to do CPFP USING MYCELIUM !
[2017-02-20 23:31] ID=6662 Transisto: because Mycelium fee cannot be customized and give zero fuck about the amount of missing fees on the unconfirmed parents.
[2017-02-20 23:33] ID=6663 Transisto: I have no problem doing a CPFP with BC.info for example
[2017-02-20 23:34] ID=6664 Transisto: the unconfirmed transactoin had like 20 input at 14sat/byte
[2017-02-20 23:36] ID=6665 Rassah: High priority transaction automatically calculates the fee to try to get you into the next block and then some. Was an actual separate option for that, it would just do the exact same thing with a high priority fee.
[2017-02-20 23:37] ID=6667 Rassah: who is sending you such low-fee transactions?
[2017-02-20 23:37] ID=6668 Transisto: it was from bitwallet, an old walelt
[2017-02-20 23:40] ID=6669 Transisto: When it send the whole balance to myself with Priority Mycelium paid a 128 sat/byte for a 192 byte transaction,  that didn't make much of a difference on the unconfirmed 2750 byte at 14 sat/byte.
[2017-02-21 11:45] ID=6670 Bloobum: How do you guys get in contact with your CEO Alexander Kuzmin?
[2017-02-21 20:27] ID=6672 favdesu: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1598276.msg17930786#msg17930786 this is interesting. looks like Kuzmin was invovled
[2017-02-21 20:29] ID=6673 favdesu: and if this is true, mycelium as a company could be in big trouble too
[2017-02-21 21:51] ID=6674 Rassah: That would be unfortunate :(
[2017-02-21 22:12] ID=6675 RE_ID=6669 cvennekel: If you used bitwallet, why not have it display the privKey, scan that with cold storage and use a decent fee with the first transaction right away
[2017-02-21 22:20] ID=6676 Godson_Mansa: Man this scam factory is unraveling
[2017-02-21 22:20] ID=6677 Godson_Mansa: Self Overfunded Ico
[2017-02-21 22:20] ID=6678 Godson_Mansa: Mass Ico scam
[2017-02-21 22:21] ID=6679 Godson_Mansa: Disgusting
[2017-02-21 22:21] ID=6680 Rassah: I was afraid of that... Nothing suspected but just seemed to come out of nowhere
[2017-02-21 22:21] ID=6681 Rassah: I still have to find out if it was a scam or just failed business
[2017-02-21 22:22] ID=6682 Godson_Mansa: A business doesn't fail few days after ICO
[2017-02-21 22:22] ID=6683 Godson_Mansa: Else there would be a refund
[2017-02-21 22:22] ID=6684 Godson_Mansa: Its a scam
[2017-02-21 22:23] ID=6685 Godson_Mansa: Enjoy that vacation
[2017-02-21 22:23] ID=6686 Godson_Mansa: You'll be Moderating this telegram from jail soon.
[2017-02-21 22:25] ID=6688 RE_ID=6683 Rassah: Invested funds aren't put into a vault. They're spent on the business. Thus no refund. I don't know anything about mass, so don't know how long it took to spend the funds
[2017-02-21 22:30] ID=6689 Godson_Mansa: Mycelium Tokens be like
[2017-02-21 22:30] ID=6690 Godson_Mansa: 
[2017-02-21 22:30] ID=6691 Godson_Mansa: 
[2017-02-21 22:37] ID=6692 Rahoos: Well, if there was an exchange worth charting...
[2017-02-21 22:54] ID=6693 Rassah: I wouldn't know..
[2017-02-21 22:54] ID=6694 btc12com: kuzmin is a scammer?
[2017-02-21 22:56] ID=6695 Rassah: Not that I'm aware of
[2017-02-21 22:56] ID=6696 btc12com: why he screwed mass investors?
[2017-02-21 22:56] ID=6697 btc12com: Mass
[2017-02-21 23:02] ID=6698 Rassah: I'll let you know when/if I find out
[2017-02-21 23:02] ID=6699 Rassah: I've just been managing the wallet team, making some progress
[2017-02-21 23:09] ID=6700 bigdaddyX: @Rassah according to that forum, the main dev explains that they were surprised to find out that the ico funds had gone. Especially since it was a few days after the ico finished and no other activities happened.
[2017-02-21 23:10] ID=6701 bigdaddyX: Only 1 person had access to the funds and he stopped paying the last staff. This is from people who worked on the project.
[2017-02-21 23:10] ID=6702 Rassah: Unfortunately, we lower-level managers don't really know about anything with the funds. We just collect salaries and manage.
[2017-02-21 23:11] ID=6703 bigdaddyX: 300btc disappeared overnight. I guess lambos aren't cheap
[2017-02-21 23:12] ID=6704 bigdaddyX: @Rassah of course we can see this is nothing to do with your work. Unfortunately this info seems to incriminate Mycelium
[2017-02-21 23:13] ID=6705 Rassah: Yes, and this really really concerns me.
[2017-02-21 23:13] ID=6706 bigdaddyX: Yes I hope you are still getting paid.
[2017-02-21 23:15] ID=6707 RE_ID=6696 Valen_tin: Nice pun
[2017-02-21 23:18] ID=6708 bigdaddyX: Think I might uninstall my mycelium wallet incase Kuzmin is snooping on my keys :(
[2017-02-21 23:19] ID=6709 Rassah: I don't think he has actual access to the wallet code itself. That key is kept with the Developers.
[2017-02-21 23:20] ID=6710 Rassah: Regardless of what's going on in upper management, we are still extremely paranoid about security
[2017-02-21 23:21] ID=6711 bigdaddyX: Yes I'm sure. And you seem like a good guy. But this isn't good PR for a security product.
[2017-02-21 23:22] ID=6712 Rassah: No it's not. Hopefully I can get this settled
[2017-02-22 02:02] ID=6713 RE_ID=6675 Transisto: I'm not personaly using bitwallet, I just sometime receive transaction with low fee and Mycelium doesn't allow me to unstuck them efficiently.
[2017-02-22 03:35] ID=6714 bigs21024: anyone buying mycelium tokens if si pm me me pleasd
[2017-02-22 03:40] ID=6715 RE_ID=6714 ZaCkRrr: 
[2017-02-22 03:42] ID=6716 bigs21024: lol
[2017-02-22 03:43] ID=6717 bigs21024: 
[2017-02-22 04:34] ID=6718 DoubleYouSee23: Try bitsquare.
[2017-02-22 08:13] ID=6719 Transisto: Who's responsible of storing the funds received by the ICO ?
[2017-02-22 08:24] ID=6720 CryptoBNS: In case of mass: Alexander kuzmin
[2017-02-22 11:36] ID=6721 favdesu: Holy moly, Mass is a complete scam. And mycelium ceo is on top of it, lots of new Intel in the bct thread
[2017-02-22 12:45] ID=6722 Valen_tin: @Rassah What are you going to do with Mycelium if something happens to your CEO?
[2017-02-22 15:28] ID=6723 RE_ID=6709 bits_of_change: Shouldn't tight security practices allow you to state more confidently who has and who doesn't have the dev signing key / access to the code?
[2017-02-22 15:28] ID=6724 RE_ID=6721 DoubleYouSee23: Link please?
[2017-02-22 15:38] ID=6725 GB: The link is already posted in here.  Just scroll up.  I've moved all my mycelium coins to my ledger.  I advise all to do the same
[2017-02-22 15:42] ID=6726 SJ C: all the scam accusers need to provide evidence
[2017-02-22 15:43] ID=6727 SJ C: especially if they are insinuating mycelium is guilty by association
[2017-02-22 16:04] ID=6728 favdesu: start reading there
[2017-02-22 16:04] ID=6729 favdesu: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1598276.msg17930786#msg17930786 this is interesting. looks like Kuzmin was invovled
[2017-02-22 16:05] ID=6730 ???: Generally when a CEO is accused of wrongdoing, he makes a public statement to defend himself. Kuzmin is not even talking to his own employees. He collected over $2mil almost a year ago to rewrite the wallet, but he only hired a single additional developer. Where is the rest of the money? If Kuzmin is not a scammer, I invite him to respond and explain himself.
[2017-02-22 16:05] ID=6731 RE_ID=6727 DoubleYouSee23: that's one thing I find odd, even if mass is a complete scam that does nothing to myceliums codebase.
[2017-02-22 16:05] ID=6732 RE_ID=6722 Rassah: I'll quit of course
[2017-02-22 16:06] ID=6733 RE_ID=6731 favdesu: devs want to get paid, if the CEO is known for stealing money... guess where mycelium is gonna end
[2017-02-22 16:09] ID=6734 RE_ID=6730 Rassah: I hired Andrew and Nelson for the wallet. We also brought in another developer who used to work on the Mycelium Card to work on the wallet. Andrew and Nelson used to work on the UI, and Jerome, the other dev did things like integrate the credit card purchase option. He's also the one working on Colu support. Recently we lost Andrew but brought in Elvis to work on the UI, and Nelson is now working with Leo on the BitcoinJ SPV backend. So we have been hiring and working, and are continuing to work.
[2017-02-22 16:11] ID=6735 DoubleYouSee23: Anything new on a wallet update?
[2017-02-22 16:16] ID=6736 Rassah: Coinshuffle is finished today (I think. I missed the daily call). Simplex was added recently for credit purchasing from within the wallet and purchases are going up, which means wallet earnings are going up. The SPV module is close, just has some minor "missing features" problem where our wallet code depended on certain information provided by our backend that SPV can't provide, and without that information tends to error out (stuff like extra info about UTXOs). Last I heard from AK he's apparently making a major deal with some major company in Russia to have them implemented in our wallet as well.
[2017-02-22 16:17] ID=6737 Rassah: AK said he'll try to set up a call with me on Friday so hopefully I can get answers then.
[2017-02-22 16:20] ID=6738 DoubleYouSee23: Awesome. Looking forward to release
[2017-02-22 16:21] ID=6739 Valen_tin: Is Mycelium open-source?
[2017-02-22 16:21] ID=6740 Rassah: -ish?
[2017-02-22 16:21] ID=6741 RE_ID=6740 Valen_tin: Some modules are?
[2017-02-22 16:22] ID=6742 ???: Great, an update from AK would be very welcome at this point. What I'd really like to see is some sort of development blog, or at least a monthly status report with features in development, anticipated completion dates, etc. You know, standard project management stuff.
[2017-02-22 16:23] ID=6743 RE_ID=6741 Rassah: The code is public. We're in a kind of a grey area where you need permission to branch off and make your own wallet, but everyone is free to develop on the main branch. And in grey area because we want to go open source, and intend to, but still haven't.\nPart of the reason we were thinking a completely separate app is so we can just do entirely open source without having to deal with legal crap to make the current one open source
[2017-02-22 16:24] ID=6744 Rassah: Coinshuffle is entirely open source though. We want everyone to use it
[2017-02-22 16:24] ID=6745 RE_ID=6742 Rassah: More work for me. Yay!
[2017-02-22 16:25] ID=6746 ???: Also, @Rassah , please don't take my comments as criticism of you or your team. I greatly appreciate your willingness to engage with the community here on Telegram. I know it would be much easier to ignore us.
[2017-02-22 16:27] ID=6747 Rassah: I hope you criticize the company. That's perfectly fine and tells us where to improve. Honestly I'm frustrated by what's going on too, and an hoping the criticisms will push management to finally answer some of my own questions. Yes, AK is really hard to reach
[2017-02-22 16:29] ID=6748 HostFat: @Rassah which is your opinion of the PaymentCode ?
[2017-02-22 16:30] ID=6749 Rassah: ???
[2017-02-22 16:30] ID=6750 HostFat: of samurai wallet
[2017-02-22 16:31] ID=6751 Rassah: Oh. Yeah, something we want too, but time and resources...
[2017-02-22 16:31] ID=6752 HostFat: ok
[2017-02-22 16:31] ID=6753 Rassah: We ended up dumping that into a decentralized mixing instead
[2017-02-22 16:31] ID=6754 HostFat: good anyway :)
[2017-02-22 16:49] ID=6755 hkrdrm: 
[2017-02-22 16:49] ID=6756 hkrdrm: Has anyone been keeping up with where their btc went on the blockchain?  I traced mine to this address https://blockchain.info/address/1AfUrCHzjtaErrvJCYxxc6SoGJKLYdCrYn
[2017-02-22 16:51] ID=6757 Rassah: That might be an exchange. At least for the Mycelium Wallet tokens, they've been converted to USD a while ago
[2017-02-22 16:56] ID=6758 hkrdrm: ah that makes sense
[2017-02-22 16:57] ID=6759 hkrdrm: lot of nervous people right now as long as the devs are still being paid that's a good sign though
[2017-02-22 17:01] ID=6760 Rassah: We've had issued with devs not being paid for months, and then paid back for what they were owed before too. It happens on and off. Not sure if that's just how things are in startups or just us
[2017-02-22 17:07] ID=6761 CryptoBNS: @Rassah nope, that's not how things are in startups. First of all you hire good people and then you do what ever has to be done to keep them. Paying salary is mandatory.
[2017-02-22 17:09] ID=6762 CryptoBNS: Founded myself and also invested in startups. The moment a startup doesn't pay their team, I would loose trust and would be out as an investor. It's literally the beginning of the end.
[2017-02-22 17:11] ID=6763 Rassah: Well, we somehow survived. Dedicated good devs I guess.
[2017-02-22 17:17] ID=6764 CryptoBNS: Fair enough, but I am only talking about my view as an investor. I mean look at this channel, a significant part is about justifying for stuff, you should not have to worry about. That's poor from many points of view. But also not at all your fault. Actually happy to see, that at least someone is trying to clarify and manage people's requests. That btw should be the so called CEOs job. Thumbs up, @Rassah
[2017-02-22 17:18] ID=6765 Rassah: Agreed
[2017-02-22 17:18] ID=6766 Rassah: I am still the "community manager" too I guess
[2017-02-22 17:20] ID=6767 CryptoBNS: For months now, you are actually the only one being available for any kind of requests. Thanks again
[2017-02-22 17:20] ID=6768 Rassah: My job. You're welcome
[2017-02-22 17:22] ID=6769 RE_ID=6768 Valen_tin: You deserve a better company tbh
[2017-02-22 17:24] ID=6770 Rassah: I like and believe in this company's culture. The "we're all anarchists and want anonymity" for example. Airbitz doesn't have have. I don't know enough about Samorai though
[2017-02-22 17:24] ID=6771 Rassah: Also I feel an obligation to my devs whom I consider friends, and don't want to abandon them. We're still working, regardless of what's going on
[2017-02-22 17:25] ID=6772 Valen_tin: Then fork the code and work on it for yourselves guys 😊
[2017-02-22 17:31] ID=6773 Rassah: Someone still has to pay salaries
[2017-02-22 17:40] ID=6774 RE_ID=6771 cvennekel: 
[2017-02-22 18:14] ID=6775 bigs21024: any new info for mycelium shareholders or token holders yet
[2017-02-22 18:18] ID=6776 Rassah: None that I know of. Wallet making a little bit more money, but nothing significant yet
[2017-02-22 18:19] ID=6777 bigs21024: ok well that is good thanks
[2017-02-22 22:30] ID=6778 Vanusekal: Hello Which of these two devices is more functional or have had better experience in its use? Trezor or Ledger Nano, I appreciate your comments
[2017-02-22 22:35] ID=6779 jaisau: Is mycelium reliable?
[2017-02-22 22:35] ID=6780 BB_Martino: i've been using it for long, on its own and with a Trezor, never any big issues
[2017-02-22 22:36] ID=6781 jaisau: I have bitcoins and I worried
[2017-02-22 22:36] ID=6782 BB_Martino: The biggest bug I remember was when I turned the side on its phone while it was waiting for me to enter a pin code for the trezor and the screen orientation change caused it to not move forward or something like that. Probably fixed already by now.
[2017-02-22 22:40] ID=6783 RE_ID=6781 Rassah: It's fine
[2017-02-22 22:40] ID=6784 Rassah: I still keep my bitcoins in mycelium too
[2017-02-22 22:41] ID=6785 jaisau: Ok. Thank
[2017-02-22 22:47] ID=6786 Rassah: Yeah, the actual wallet itself and all the development is still fine. Not really any issues
[2017-02-22 22:49] ID=6787 DoubleYouSee23: if you had any concerns I'd just buy a trezor. IMO you shouldn't keep any significant amount on any hot wallet. Having said that, all of my spending cash is on Mycelium, and I've never had any real worries about my funds beyond typical healhty paranoia.
[2017-02-22 23:02] ID=6788 Rassah: I use my Trezor with Mycelium. Spending on the phone, savings on the Trezor
[2017-02-22 23:04] ID=6789 Vanusekal: I am newbie and it is for cold storage of a significant amount of BTC and I do not want to depend on my smartphone, I also use Electrum, I appreciate the contribution
[2017-02-23 00:08] ID=6790 Rassah: Yes, please use Trezor or Ledger. You don't have to depend on a smartphone with those. Mycelium just makes it easy to watch and access your funds, but you can use any wallet that supports them to pull the funds out
[2017-02-23 00:23] ID=6791 Vanusekal: Yes, I'm happy with my mycelium wallet, the comment is that I use the google 2-Factor Authentication (FIDO/U2F) for several accounts related to crypto-coins and I'm paranoid to think that I could damage or lose the smarthphone
[2017-02-23 02:18] ID=6792 leomcardle3: I love mycelium and I use ledger nano s which I also love.  When is mycelium adding more alt crypto currencies? Jaxx does this already, but their interface is not at good as mycelium
[2017-02-23 02:19] ID=6793 RE_ID=6792 Rassah: I question their backend too... We're close to porting Bitcoin to a module and once that's done we can do other crypto
[2017-02-23 02:23] ID=6794 RE_ID=6793 Valen_tin: Yeah it seems to be a web app
[2017-02-23 02:32] ID=6795 RE_ID=6793 leomcardle3: Great, I hope it's soon.
[2017-02-23 06:44] ID=6796 ???: None
[2017-02-23 09:49] ID=6797 bengems: I have heard about Adelphoi (Ade) upcoming ICO. Your critics will be essential about it
[2017-02-23 15:39] ID=6798 Transisto: I invested in part in mycelium ICO to at least support development of a good wallet. I hope you guys are gonna try overtaking blockchain.info.   It really doesn't help to not have an iOS version.  Do you, at this day recommend people to use the iOS app that has Mycelium name on it?  The one that look like it got stuck in time 3 years ago.
[2017-02-23 17:45] ID=6799 Ivek66: +1 I invested to support team  and do not expect any return but just good product.
[2017-02-23 17:57] ID=6800 RE_ID=6798 Rassah: Our iOS version is supported for bugs and such, so it should be okay, but we're currently not working on new features. Focusing on the Android one for now
[2017-02-23 18:06] ID=6801 TheSatMan: Use nativescript and you will have both versions ready simultaneously 🤓☝🏼
[2017-02-23 18:09] ID=6802 Valen_tin: No, they need to do something native
[2017-02-23 18:09] ID=6803 Valen_tin: Or it will be like Jaxx, all sluggish
[2017-02-23 18:15] ID=6804 TheSatMan: NativeScript IS NATIVE API CALLS!
[2017-02-23 18:16] ID=6805 RE_ID=6804 Valen_tin: Yeah like Xamarin
[2017-02-23 18:16] ID=6806 Valen_tin: But there is still one more layer
[2017-02-23 18:17] ID=6807 TheSatMan: Nope
[2017-02-23 18:17] ID=6808 TheSatMan: It not the same
[2017-02-23 18:17] ID=6809 Valen_tin: I guess I need to investigate it.
[2017-02-23 18:18] ID=6810 TheSatMan: You will love it ☝🏼🤓
[2017-02-23 18:18] ID=6811 TheSatMan: Search youtube ... a lot og help there
[2017-02-23 18:18] ID=6812 TheSatMan: of
[2017-02-23 18:18] ID=6813 RE_ID=6810 Valen_tin: haha, we'll see
[2017-02-23 18:21] ID=6814 TheSatMan: 
[2017-02-23 18:21] ID=6815 TheSatMan: 
[2017-02-23 18:21] ID=6816 TheSatMan: Read the top desc...in both pics...
[2017-02-23 18:21] ID=6817 Valen_tin: Native App without webview but using JavaScript? Hmm
[2017-02-23 18:22] ID=6818 Valen_tin: Interesting
[2017-02-23 18:22] ID=6819 Valen_tin: Well it's a lot like Xamarin but it uses JavaScript instead of C# as the language no?
[2017-02-23 18:23] ID=6820 TheSatMan: 
[2017-02-23 18:23] ID=6821 Valen_tin: xDD
[2017-02-23 18:23] ID=6822 TheSatMan: It uses Googles V8 engine for java script
[2017-02-23 18:23] ID=6823 TheSatMan: And Apples for iOS ...
[2017-02-23 18:24] ID=6824 TheSatMan: So yes pure js
[2017-02-23 18:24] ID=6825 TheSatMan: https://youtu.be/oqrdfYnTdR8
[2017-02-23 18:24] ID=6826 TheSatMan: Finally are usefull framework! And not just - another one 😅🔨
[2017-02-23 18:25] ID=6827 TheSatMan: a useful
[2017-02-23 18:25] ID=6828 Valen_tin: Well it's not really native, it uses Native APIs but it's like an interpreter no?
[2017-02-23 18:25] ID=6829 Valen_tin: Really native would be compiled in ARM IMHO 😊
[2017-02-23 18:25] ID=6830 TheSatMan: Well the out put is real native components...
[2017-02-23 18:26] ID=6831 Valen_tin: It translates in real time Javascript and call the native API?
[2017-02-23 18:26] ID=6832 TheSatMan: Watch the video
[2017-02-23 18:26] ID=6833 TheSatMan: Enjoy
[2017-02-23 18:26] ID=6834 TheSatMan: Yes
[2017-02-23 18:26] ID=6835 RE_ID=6830 Valen_tin: Sure, no web engine, that's at least a big pro
[2017-02-23 18:27] ID=6836 TheSatMan: And you can use all NPM which dont need browser stuff!!
[2017-02-23 18:27] ID=6837 TheSatMan: Like momentjs etc...
[2017-02-23 18:27] ID=6838 Valen_tin: Good
[2017-02-23 18:27] ID=6839 Valen_tin: Thanks for the tip
[2017-02-23 18:53] ID=6840 TheSatMan: No probs... and cocoapods
[2017-02-23 18:53] ID=6841 TheSatMan: And telerik plugins
[2017-02-23 18:54] ID=6842 TheSatMan: Its the guys behind NativeScript
[2017-02-23 18:55] ID=6843 TheSatMan: Today you can make every thing in js ... client, server, even in DB via pludin to googled V8 and native apps... one language ...🤓😜
[2017-02-23 19:07] ID=6844 RE_ID=6843 Valen_tin: Yeah
[2017-02-23 19:07] ID=6845 Valen_tin: Too bad it's JS tho 😂
[2017-02-23 19:09] ID=6846 TheSatMan: For 15 years i have been using only MS stuff ... but one year ago - i quite all MS ... now NodeJS, postgress ect ... and have never been more productive!
[2017-02-23 19:43] ID=6847 Rassah: JS can't do what we need. It's not secure enough. We actually explored that option a year ago. It cost us months of wasted dev time.
[2017-02-23 20:07] ID=6848 TheSatMan: Research is not waste...🤓☝🏼
[2017-02-23 20:08] ID=6849 RE_ID=6846 Valen_tin: GNU/Linux is so superior for development
[2017-02-23 20:08] ID=6850 TheSatMan: @Rassah just in short terms ... does a hope for MT still exists?
[2017-02-23 22:07] ID=6851 Rassah: 
[2017-02-23 22:27] ID=6852 ???: There's always hope! ...but I must admit, at $1184 USD/BTC, I kind of wish I had my "investment" back
[2017-02-23 22:28] ID=6853 Rassah: Well, I don't think anybody should have been surprised that bitcoin would outperform everything else, always.
[2017-02-23 22:29] ID=6854 RE_ID=6853 DoubleYouSee23: Definately. I bought back THE MOMENT I bought MT.
[2017-02-23 22:31] ID=6855 ???: Agreed, that why I was dismayed to hear AK cashed out 5000+ BTC immediately after the crowdsale closed.
[2017-02-23 22:32] ID=6856 ???: Your team would be programming on gold-plated keyboards if he had a bit more confidence
[2017-02-24 03:52] ID=6857 TheSatMan: @Rassah did you just answer via recording?! 😄🙈 you think so...?
[2017-02-24 03:54] ID=6858 TheSatMan: @Rassah  what is progress and status - why is it so tough to get any info from you, progress in the project etc...?
[2017-02-24 03:55] ID=6859 TheSatMan: BTC have made about a factor X 6 ... during the latest year in profit... many ICO outperformed that ...so its not true...
[2017-02-24 12:49] ID=6860 bdavid1122: Not only ico.... Hell I wish I would have bought 1btc in dash a year ago
[2017-02-24 12:55] ID=6861 favdesu: I wish I had bought more bitcoin when they were at 30 :)
[2017-02-24 15:04] ID=6862 thorbjorn: Yep, that was also the first time I heard about them... was rather happy I hadn't joined the hype when they crashed to 10. :P
[2017-02-24 15:04] ID=6863 thorbjorn: But of course, I still didn't buy...
[2017-02-24 15:08] ID=6864 jandreske: Half of the people complain about not having bought, the other half complains about having sold. \n\nJust buy now. It is not that different from buying at 30.
[2017-02-24 15:09] ID=6865 SJ C: my dash are stuck in cryptsy land, those fuckers
[2017-02-24 15:21] ID=6866 BB_Martino: cryptsy 😂
[2017-02-24 15:46] ID=6867 TheSatMan: Does any body like to be MT?
[2017-02-24 15:46] ID=6868 TheSatMan: buy
[2017-02-24 15:53] ID=6869 RE_ID=6864 thorbjorn: I'm already full in. :P
[2017-02-24 17:37] ID=6870 RE_ID=6867 DoubleYouSee23: There are a bunch for sale on Bitsquare, you can add yours to the pile. If you sell for under .85 they should sell pretty quickly
[2017-02-24 17:50] ID=6871 Daruhshie: None
[2017-02-24 18:06] ID=6872 ???: The last MT trade was in November, exchanging for .45. There are no buyers.
[2017-02-24 18:06] ID=6873 TheSatMan: But there is no activity at all for months - right?
[2017-02-24 18:06] ID=6874 TheSatMan: Exactly!!
[2017-02-24 18:34] ID=6875 Godson_Mansa: Im about to start raining insults in this telegram
[2017-02-24 18:34] ID=6876 Godson_Mansa: Nothing i hate more than being swindled
[2017-02-24 18:34] ID=6877 Godson_Mansa: This piece of shit should atleast be on polo rn
[2017-02-24 18:35] ID=6878 Godson_Mansa: Self bought icos are the worst
[2017-02-24 18:45] ID=6879 Rassah: Ask Polo to add it
[2017-02-24 20:05] ID=6880 DoubleYouSee23: Put it at a decent price and there are buyers. MT didn't double in price though like BTC did, people asking for .85 are asking too much imo
[2017-02-24 20:06] ID=6881 RE_ID=6880 AROMACOMPUTERS: Double would be $900 btc.\nAlmost triple
[2017-02-24 20:08] ID=6882 AROMACOMPUTERS: 450÷1200=0.375
[2017-02-24 20:18] ID=6883 DoubleYouSee23: Lol, oh yea
[2017-02-24 20:41] ID=6884 Transisto: I don't know why you guys are so worried about buying or selling your MT tokens, until the CEO take back control and develop a wallet that has has an app market making revenue and a chance at beating blockchain.info adoption this token is worth absolutely nothing.
[2017-02-24 20:42] ID=6885 Transisto: It's not worth nothing but it's worth anywhere between 1$ and 1000$
[2017-02-24 20:44] ID=6886 bigdaddyX: I hope they're worth more than mass tokens
[2017-02-24 20:54] ID=6887 RE_ID=6884 Rassah: CEO doesn't need to take back control. Wallet is under good control. CEO just needs to explain some things
[2017-02-24 21:03] ID=6888 RE_ID=6880 franull: What do you think is a good price for MT?
[2017-02-24 21:55] ID=6889 DoubleYouSee23: that's up to you to an extent. If you want to sell your MT right now, i assume selling at a minor loss is worth it you you. So.... .38 or somewhere in there, I haven't done the math. A MT was what 400~?
[2017-02-24 21:56] ID=6890 DoubleYouSee23: 400~usd I mean
[2017-02-24 21:58] ID=6891 DoubleYouSee23: Iirc I offered you .9 for your MT and you turned me down. Then o found cheaper avenues
[2017-02-24 22:01] ID=6892 ???: I'll sell .5 MT for .17 BTC. That's a 2/3 discount on the purchase price.
[2017-02-24 22:03] ID=6893 ???: We can use Rassah as an intermediary if he's willing. I trust him.
[2017-02-24 22:05] ID=6894 DoubleYouSee23: So - if the MT was pegged at the USD on May 1 compared to BTC, and BTC was $465, that means that MT - if it tracked the market, would be about 60% of the value... meaning approximately $279 USD per MT today.
[2017-02-24 22:06] ID=6895 DoubleYouSee23: .12 would be the going rate. .11 would be selling at a slight loss
[2017-02-24 22:07] ID=6896 DoubleYouSee23: .17 and you are asking for more than youbpaid. Which is fine, but be aware of that
[2017-02-24 22:07] ID=6897 Rassah: Tracked the market?
[2017-02-24 22:08] ID=6898 DoubleYouSee23: Forwarded, I don't agree with the phrasing used, but the idea is the same
[2017-02-24 22:08] ID=6899 ???: Presumably MT has appreciated as well, just not as quickly as BTC.
[2017-02-24 22:08] ID=6900 ???: These are IPO shares, guaranteed to not be diluted.
[2017-02-24 22:08] ID=6901 DoubleYouSee23: Then hold for the next sale and profit then
[2017-02-24 22:09] ID=6902 DoubleYouSee23: If anyone is desperate to sell, which from the complaints it seems like you guys are, put thembon bitswuare @ 90 cents on the dollar and I will buyvthem today.
[2017-02-24 22:10] ID=6903 DoubleYouSee23: Personally, I'd hold em though.
[2017-02-24 22:10] ID=6904 ???: Newegg doesn't take MT, unfortunately
[2017-02-24 22:11] ID=6905 ???: I'll split the different and drop the price to .14 BTC
[2017-02-24 22:11] ID=6906 DoubleYouSee23: I'm sure someone will buy them eventually at that price.
[2017-02-24 22:12] ID=6907 ???: Someone else, you mean.
[2017-02-24 22:13] ID=6908 ???: Anyway - anyone who wants to buy, just message me.
[2017-02-24 22:13] ID=6909 ???: Or make an offer.
[2017-02-24 22:14] ID=6910 Valen_tin: Do you have dividends with the asset or something?
[2017-02-24 22:14] ID=6911 jaisau: Will there be a formal communication or explanation about the situation in which mycelium and MT remain?\n\nWill you follow the draft of the wallet?
[2017-02-24 22:14] ID=6912 jaisau: @Rassah
[2017-02-24 22:24] ID=6913 RE_ID=6900 Rassah: These first 5% don't get diluted
[2017-02-24 22:25] ID=6914 RE_ID=6911 Rassah: Yes. Once I get it
[2017-02-24 22:26] ID=6915 jaisau: 👍
[2017-02-24 22:27] ID=6916 Rassah: What do you mean by follow the draft of the wallet?
[2017-02-25 00:10] ID=6917 Transisto: I guess he meant the road map
[2017-02-25 00:19] ID=6918 DoubleYouSee23: Hmm, where can I find a road map for mycelium?
[2017-02-25 02:20] ID=6919 btc12com: Kuzmin  screwed Mass investors.
[2017-02-25 09:42] ID=6920 favdesu: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1799232.0
[2017-02-25 10:04] ID=6921 bigdaddyX: That thread is very interesting. The posters have identified two individuals neck deep in the Mass scam. One is Alex Kuzmin the CEO of mycelium. This looks terrible for the company. And puts me off using anything mycelium related.
[2017-02-25 10:05] ID=6922 bigdaddyX: Has an Alexander Oschepkov ever been involved with mycelium at all? He was the other name mentioned.
[2017-02-25 11:08] ID=6923 Daruhshie: oooo - I was just thinking that yesterday - I like mycelium but how can I trust a wallet company if their CEO seems to run one "scam" after another
[2017-02-25 11:19] ID=6924 Daruhshie: Rumors are that he's even been desperatelly trying to sell Mycelium Holding LTD for a long time but no-one is interested, This captain is trying to jump ship while he keeps on luering more people on board with empty projects. Only Mycelium related person I have EVER seen respond to anything AFTER one of Kuzmins ICO or ICO's backed by him is @Rassah guess thats why we are all here 😃
[2017-02-25 11:30] ID=6925 TheSatMan: 🤥😫😭😭
[2017-02-25 11:37] ID=6926 ZaCkRrr: 
[2017-02-25 11:38] ID=6927 ZaCkRrr: keep spreading fud ..as far as i concern 190btc transaction got no problem, mycellium is awesome1
[2017-02-25 11:38] ID=6928 Ivek66: +1
[2017-02-25 11:40] ID=6929 Ivek66: Never had problem. The best walle out there... And I have full trust in @Rassah First thing I bought is Entropy. It was same story as here now. But they delivered and Entropy is great tool  - I use it today as well. Thank you @Rassah
[2017-02-25 11:49] ID=6930 Daruhshie: Like I said @ZaCkRrr I have no doubt @Rassah is doing his best.. I am talking about Kuzmin, where is the head of the snake. He still owes me a reasonable amount of money so excuse me for being annoyed about how he treats his backers.  Nothing to do with FUD, its fact he screams of the roofs how great projects are when cash is coming his way and once he has it he's no-where to be found.
[2017-02-25 14:19] ID=6931 RE_ID=6924 Rassah: Any details or sources on that rumor?
[2017-02-25 14:21] ID=6932 Rassah: And yeah, it's really frustrating and a bit upsetting with what's going on. We're still working hard on finishing the things we promised, but it would suck if the company went down and all that work was for nothing.
[2017-02-25 16:41] ID=6933 Cme: All companies and plans depend on the MT programmers delivering a great wallet. Then things should fall into place like dominos.
[2017-02-25 16:45] ID=6934 Cme: And if wallet is no good, then everything will fall into place like dominoes :(
[2017-02-26 01:25] ID=6935 sec ond: Has Rassah found Kuzmins? Can we took the control of Mycelium? Are there any secret code hold by Kuzmins? Can you contact the last big investor to reinvest? I think many Chinese richman are interest.
[2017-02-26 03:28] ID=6936 ???: None
[2017-02-26 05:51] ID=6937 😸inaboat: Ever since the ico ended, what has been done? Is there a blog where i can read up on all the latest development?
[2017-02-26 06:21] ID=6938 RE_ID=6937 Rassah: https://news.wallet.mycelium.com
[2017-02-26 06:55] ID=6939 😺: None
[2017-02-26 09:24] ID=6940 Strayt: Hi Rassah,\n\nIt seems that nothing has been accoplished since the initial token release. I was waiting on colu intigration as an indication that the wallet offering was being honered, but it seem we aren't even being given this assurace.  Dare i say it, but it seems the mycelium wallet token investment is dead in the dust. Until the mia ceo speaks up otherwise, i will assume my investment has been burnt.
[2017-02-26 09:27] ID=6941 Rassah: Until I hear from him, I can't comment one way or the other on whether it's been burnt. I can say the reason Colu integration has been delayed is because the dev who was tasked with implementing it kept being pulled off on other tasks, such as needing to help the Swish team, integrating Simplex, doing initial work to integrate Coinbase, and stuff like that. I would prefer him to just focus on Colu and get it finished, but for this task unfortunately it was not under my control.
[2017-02-26 13:43] ID=6942 😸inaboat: Did mycelium attend the north american bitcoin conference in jan 2017? No news about it when i googled
[2017-02-26 13:44] ID=6943 😸inaboat: And in dec 2016 blog post, it mentions that some new stuff will be shown there. Did it happened?
[2017-02-26 13:45] ID=6944 😸inaboat: It will be a good update if it did
[2017-02-26 15:46] ID=6945 RE_ID=6941 GB: How is a dev that is being paid from, I imagine, the wallet funds (separate entity) being pulled to other teams.
[2017-02-26 15:48] ID=6946 favdesu: ask kuzmin
[2017-02-26 15:48] ID=6947 favdesu: I guess
[2017-02-26 15:48] ID=6948 favdesu: :D
[2017-02-26 15:58] ID=6949 Cme: Timesheets
[2017-02-26 16:03] ID=6950 RE_ID=6942 Rassah: I was there, yes. Did a few podcasts
[2017-02-26 16:06] ID=6951 RE_ID=6945 Rassah: He started out on other teams, and was brought in to help with wallet, being pulled back once in a while.
[2017-02-26 16:59] ID=6952 Neo Cortex: None
[2017-02-26 22:27] ID=6953 crsvld: None
[2017-02-26 22:28] ID=6954 crsvld: hey guys
[2017-02-26 22:28] ID=6955 crsvld: just checked in to see how this project is progressing
[2017-02-26 22:28] ID=6956 crsvld: no news in a long time
[2017-02-26 22:28] ID=6957 crsvld: is it dead?
[2017-02-26 22:29] ID=6958 crsvld: should we consider reporting it anywhere as a scam?
[2017-02-26 22:29] ID=6959 Rassah: https://news.wallet.mycelium.com
[2017-02-26 22:29] ID=6960 Rassah: Waiting for more info before publishing another update
[2017-02-26 22:31] ID=6961 crsvld: when will we be able to profit on our Mycelium token investment?
[2017-02-26 22:31] ID=6962 crsvld: or at least trade it
[2017-02-26 22:32] ID=6963 Rassah: Trading is on Bitsquare. Check the pinned message. Profit when we manage to make our company profitable
[2017-02-26 22:33] ID=6964 RE_ID=6961 ZaCkRrr: Maybe never. But man..that is how startup works...you should learn what is ico really for. It is not focus on making profit..it is merely for collecting fund for development. The project might get delay ..but well we are suppose to support it not to think to take profit from it
[2017-02-26 22:35] ID=6965 ZaCkRrr: Anyway thanks @Rassah for maintenance great wallet
[2017-02-26 22:35] ID=6966 ZaCkRrr: It is reliable from it started
[2017-02-26 22:48] ID=6967 crsvld: hope it gets added on some bigger exchange
[2017-02-27 00:03] ID=6968 GuerraMoneta: What a terrible situation, for such a great wallet
[2017-02-27 00:03] ID=6969 GuerraMoneta: I use it on my Samsung every single day, either way it goes, thanks @Rassah \n\nMycelium wallet had helped change my entire life of managing finances and day to day btc use
[2017-02-27 00:03] ID=6970 GuerraMoneta: Has*
[2017-02-27 00:08] ID=6971 RE_ID=6969 Rassah: Have you tried using the Ledger Trustlet app?
[2017-02-27 00:21] ID=6972 sec ond: Is mycelium still has fund to develop? Have you foUnd\n Kuzmins?
[2017-02-27 00:23] ID=6973 Rassah: Yes
[2017-02-27 00:23] ID=6974 Rassah: Not yet
[2017-02-27 03:14] ID=6975 GuerraMoneta: @Rassah have not tried, link?
[2017-02-27 03:17] ID=6976 Rassah: Check out "Ledger Trustlet"\nhttps://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.ledger.wallet.bootstrap
[2017-02-27 05:27] ID=6977 sabotagebeats: How much is mycelium token worth now
[2017-02-27 08:01] ID=6978 Ram1689: Anyone in here interested in buying my 2 MT for 0.5 btc? I tried bitsquare but found it such a hassle. Please DM when interested.. Thanks in advance.
[2017-02-27 08:28] ID=6979 thorbjorn: Just curious, but how to you plan to do this without bitsquare? Is one person just going to trust some random guy on the internet?
[2017-02-27 08:38] ID=6980 Ram1689: I would use an escrow service with a good reputation. But I get your point. Best would be that MT was available on a easier to use/regular exchange.. but that's not the case atm.
[2017-02-27 08:46] ID=6981 RE_ID=6979 BitKralj: You can use bitrated escrow. Its simple, secure and free. https://www.bitrated.com/
[2017-02-27 08:49] ID=6982 thorbjorn: Sounds easier indeed.
[2017-02-27 08:50] ID=6983 favdesu: https://www.bitrated.com/fav if you need one
[2017-02-27 14:52] ID=6984 Ram1689: Managed to get the offer on bitsquare for a slightly better offer then before. 2MT = 0.32 btc. Curious te see if there is some interest.
[2017-02-28 07:31] ID=6985 kzhiyao: www.bitcoinworld.com, the first ever p2p Bitcoin trading platform that offer Bitcoin collateral as financial tool to hedge against price volatility and lock in your profit. (PM me if u wonder how)
[2017-02-28 08:03] ID=6986 Transisto: ? GTFO
[2017-02-28 12:38] ID=6987 Ram1689: Hi all, does anyone know how to send MT tokens to another user on the Colu network? I can't seem to find my own address.. or does the receiver has to create a new address by pressing + Receiving Assets?
[2017-02-28 12:40] ID=6988 Ram1689: (In the transaction menu)
[2017-02-28 12:41] ID=6989 thorbjorn: Ah, it's down there at the bottom!
[2017-02-28 12:41] ID=6990 thorbjorn: Man they couldn't hide the Receive Assets button better I think.
[2017-02-28 13:05] ID=6991 partyp88: None
[2017-02-28 13:06] ID=6992 favdesu: I'd bet my right testicle that kuzmin has a stake in colu too. No one would use this horse shit otherwise
[2017-02-28 13:06] ID=6993 dmp1ce: I think the Tor node might be down. I cannot send transactions. Should I create a ticket on website?
[2017-02-28 15:00] ID=6994 RE_ID=6993 Rassah: Works now
[2017-02-28 16:03] ID=6995 painlord2k: In this video Roger Ver and Tone Vays debate about the scaling of Bitcoin (full blocks and likes).\nHere Roger talk against high fees and the people supporting them\nhttps://youtu.be/XdyIJ-BUPaU?t=9m40s
[2017-02-28 16:03] ID=6996 painlord2k: Immediately later \nhttps://youtu.be/XdyIJ-BUPaU?t=11m30s\n\nTone Vays reply he has no problem with 100$ fees in the future.
[2017-02-28 16:04] ID=6997 painlord2k: There is any position of Mycelium on the topic of 100$ fees for Bitcoin?
[2017-02-28 16:08] ID=6998 BB_Martino: Status quo above all! lolz.
[2017-02-28 16:08] ID=6999 BB_Martino: (i too would like to know btw)
[2017-02-28 16:10] ID=7000 painlord2k: You either disrupt the market with innovation or the market will disrupt you with innovation. Status quo is for statists.
[2017-02-28 16:10] ID=7001 painlord2k: Made the same question to AirBitz.\nSee what people reply.
[2017-02-28 16:13] ID=7002 ???: $100 transaction fees only make sense if bitcoin evolves into a store of value (like gold) or the settlement layer for a layer 2 system like segwit.
[2017-02-28 16:14] ID=7003 ???: If it stays store of value (the default "do nothing" option) Mycelium will have a much smaller user base - only people who need to move around very large amounts of money.
[2017-02-28 16:15] ID=7004 ???: If it becomes a settlement layer, Mycelium will evolve to support segwit or whatever system becomes popular. That would be great for Mycelium.
[2017-02-28 16:16] ID=7005 ???: So - from a business standpoint - Mycelium should support segwit, as it has the greatest potential to grow the Mycelium user base.
[2017-02-28 16:17] ID=7006 dmp1ce: @Rassah Thanks. Was it an issue on my end?
[2017-02-28 16:19] ID=7007 RE_ID=7005 painlord2k: Is this your opinion?\n\nOr Mycelium position?
[2017-02-28 16:20] ID=7008 ???: My opinion.
[2017-02-28 16:22] ID=7009 BB_Martino: Bitcoin with high txfees is still a good store of value in theory because it's still irreversible and you can still send money across the globe etc. The problem is, if people stop using it as a currency and there's not a lot of movement, it will lose exactly that, its value. I expect the price will drop hard in that case. Not to mention new coins will come along which will solve the problem or find a sweet spot between store of value and currency and then BTC will definitely drop.\n\nI like the idea of building something on top of BTC to handle everyone's coffee money and microtransactions because that doesn't belong on the chain. Segwit requires a lot of dev, not just the libraries but all wallet providers and sites and everything. It will take a long time before it makes a difference and takes some load off the network. And it doesn't sound like the solution for a growing userbase, just the growing number of transactions. So even if everyone implements it everywhere, it's not big progress on its own. :(
[2017-02-28 16:24] ID=7010 BB_Martino: Everyone's already made up their minds and those working on SW and LN have probably invested a lot of time, so I don't see much chance of opinions coming closer together to find a solution unfortunately 😔
[2017-02-28 16:25] ID=7011 ???: I disagree on this point: "if people stop using it as a currency and there's not a lot of movement, it will lose exactly that, its value." The history of gold is a great example of why.
[2017-02-28 16:26] ID=7012 jandreske: I personally like LN very much, as an idea. I think segwit is a terrible hack. Better than nothing, I guess, but not nice.
[2017-02-28 16:27] ID=7013 ???: Gold was originally used as both a unit of transaction and a store of value. It worked for thousands of years in the capacity. But eventually, passing physical coins around became inconvenient. So we ended up with gold-backed currency. If you think about it, that's almost exactly like lightning network riding on top of lightning.
[2017-02-28 16:28] ID=7014 ???: Paper currency was easy to use and could be redeemed for physical gold any time. Best of both worlds.
[2017-02-28 16:30] ID=7015 RE_ID=7011 painlord2k: The problem is, if people stop using it, who pay for the security (the PoW the miners do)?\nWhen the reward go down, fee must go up.\nGo up in quantity or size to keep the same or better PoW.
[2017-02-28 16:31] ID=7016 ???: Later still, we abandoned the gold standard. That would be the equivalent of replacing lightning network with an alt-coin designed for convenient transactions. But the paper currency also could be inflated easily and began to lose value over time. It's like an altcoin with no cap on minting rate. That's where we are today.
[2017-02-28 16:31] ID=7017 RE_ID=7014 painlord2k: Paper currency is like LN.\nGood on theory, bad in practice.\n\nWith full blocks Ln's HUBs can stole funds from customers.
[2017-02-28 16:32] ID=7018 ???: Bitcoin brought us back to gold, and lightning will bring us back to gold-backed paper.
[2017-02-28 16:32] ID=7019 painlord2k: I steal that
[2017-02-28 16:32] ID=7020 painlord2k: 😄
[2017-02-28 17:32] ID=7021 RE_ID=6997 Rassah: We don't want!
[2017-02-28 17:35] ID=7022 Rassah: We want Bitcoin to be "digital cash," whether that's through bigger blocks, LightningNetwork, or something else
[2017-02-28 17:36] ID=7024 painlord2k: 👍
[2017-02-28 17:39] ID=7025 BB_Martino: Not that I don't agree, but saying that is like "I want world peace". Most people do, the question is the how. You may have to take sides down the line. Not necessarily though, the great thing about a software wallet is that it can support a bunch of different things and leave the decision to the user.
[2017-02-28 17:43] ID=7026 Rassah: Both SegWit and block increase for starters
[2017-02-28 17:46] ID=7027 ???: Whether the networks ends up with a HF to BU, or deploys segwit and LN, or something else entirely, any wallet maker who wants to stay in business will upgrade to support the new tech
[2017-02-28 17:50] ID=7028 BB_Martino: As usual, the devil's in the details. The networks don't just "end" with something... Whether value goes from one network to the other or they split or anything else is up to the great sum of what wallet operators, exchanges, miners and end users decide. And a lot of them are watching what everyone else wants to do. That includes us too by the way, we don't want to go "we think this or that is better, so that's what you can buy" and not sell another fork which is more popular.
[2017-02-28 18:02] ID=7029 Rassah: The market will ultimately decide, even if that decision is that Bitcoin sucks and should die, to be replaced with something with less drama
[2017-02-28 18:05] ID=7030 ???: heh, if it's money, there's going to be drama! 😊
[2017-02-28 18:15] ID=7031 DoubleYouSee23: I've always tried to explain to people, if this is a viable economic evolution the old guard WILL pay attention at some point. Either trying to stop it, slow it down, or Co opt it for their own use. But BTC couldn't fly under the radar forever. I think this "I don't care how much transactions cost cause I'm rich" attitude alludes to that
[2017-02-28 18:23] ID=7032 Rassah: To me that attitude suggests new rich who got lucky with Bitcoin, but don't actually understand wealth, business, or competition
[2017-02-28 18:24] ID=7033 Rassah: The "old guard" who got there and staid there aren't likely as arrogant
[2017-02-28 18:28] ID=7034 ???: I interpreted Tone's statement to mean the base transaction cost could be high because most of the transactions would be happening in a higher layer (segwit)
[2017-02-28 18:29] ID=7035 ???: similar to how the cost of gas has less of an impact on people who ride the bus
[2017-02-28 18:51] ID=7036 painlord2k: In fact they ride the bus, don't drive the bus.
[2017-02-28 18:52] ID=7037 BB_Martino: soon noone will be allowed to drive cars :>
[2017-02-28 21:06] ID=7038 RE_ID=7032 DoubleYouSee23: that's likely more accurate to be honest.
[2017-02-28 21:08] ID=7039 DoubleYouSee23: Is it true that coin age no longer factors into priority?
[2017-02-28 21:08] ID=7040 BB_Martino: WHATT
[2017-02-28 21:08] ID=7041 BB_Martino: For me that was a suspicion/fear/conspiracy theory
[2017-02-28 21:08] ID=7042 BB_Martino: I don't think it's official
[2017-02-28 21:09] ID=7043 BB_Martino: But it's definitely something any miner can decide
[2017-02-28 21:10] ID=7044 BB_Martino: They make more money including only tx's with the highest fee, but then people who use a proper fee may never get confirmed. :|
[2017-02-28 21:11] ID=7045 BB_Martino: Therefore it's pretty likely some miners are doing it, the question is what percentage do or don't.
[2017-02-28 21:47] ID=7046 jandreske: It was always up the miners what transactions to include with what priority. Using a "let's be nice" default was just easy for some time, but I assume there is way more hashing power with strictly financial interests out there since some time already, than with ideological background.
[2017-03-01 00:07] ID=7047 sec ond: Rassah, if wallet cannot hold MT in the coming future, I want to have my mycelium token. I still not collect it from ICO yet.
[2017-03-01 03:32] ID=7048 ShortFatUglyDumb: I agree w' all that Matt said. I think Bitcoin on-chain is destined 2 become: settlement layer , digital gold , savings acct , secure immutable platform backbone (Counterparty , RSK , Hive Mind , etc) , high fees (not good 4 coffee). I'm ok w' that! But we *need something* 2 b what BTC was for years: low/no fees , currency , retail tx friendly , enuf space for hi volume , trustworthy zero-conf , "checking acct" , etc. Whatever that may b, I hope it takes hold soon, whether it b Bitcoin off-chain (LN,MW,TB,etc) or a suitable alt coin.
[2017-03-01 04:00] ID=7049 sec ond: MT cannot find on the colored coin web. Seems it has dead already.
[2017-03-01 04:13] ID=7050 RE_ID=7049 Rassah: It can't be dead. It's on Bitcoin
[2017-03-01 05:20] ID=7051 Jupiter623: None
[2017-03-01 05:21] ID=7052 RE_ID=7007 Jupiter623: Hey what's new?
[2017-03-01 06:35] ID=7053 D4RKW33D: None
[2017-03-01 06:40] ID=7054 chainsmith: None
[2017-03-01 09:45] ID=7055 RE_ID=7042 DanielWeigl: It's official since 0.12: The mining of transactions based on their priority is also now disabled by default.\n\nhttps://bitcoin.org/en/release/v0.12.0
[2017-03-01 10:00] ID=7056 ShortFatUglyDumb: Daniel, does that also imply ignoring all the constituent factors - age, BTC value, tx byte size? If so, do most miners maybe still prioritize based on any of these as a courtesy? Or is it now mostly all abt fee-per-byte & competing txs?
[2017-03-01 10:13] ID=7057 BB_Martino: Thanks Daniel, I didn't know that.
[2017-03-01 10:14] ID=7058 BB_Martino: So what is the new default?
[2017-03-01 10:14] ID=7059 BB_Martino: If they aren't sorted by priority, then what? fee/kb and that's it ?
[2017-03-01 10:17] ID=7060 DanielWeigl: Fee per Byte, yes. The only real metric that makes economic sense. Miners might also have some custom logic in in place, where they use their own selection algo
[2017-03-01 10:17] ID=7061 DanielWeigl: (eg viaBTC)
[2017-03-01 10:21] ID=7062 BB_Martino: input age seemed to make sense tho
[2017-03-01 10:21] ID=7063 BB_Martino: oh well.
[2017-03-01 10:23] ID=7064 DanielWeigl: It was only some kind of spam protection to make some zero fee TX possible, when there was a blockspace aboundance. Which isn't the case any more
[2017-03-01 10:27] ID=7065 BB_Martino: While we're at the topic of fees and since you seem to know a bunch, here's a peculiar one we're currently staring at. It's got .00268097 BTC / KB and not confirmed for 2 days. Any ideas how/why?\n\nhttps://www.blocktrail.com/BTC/tx/913ab8d31f38438f74788513fa68080b370732d31a326fc188becba56cecbcca
[2017-03-01 10:29] ID=7066 BB_Martino: d'oh, nvm it was obvious
[2017-03-01 10:39] ID=7067 ShortFatUglyDumb: Thx 4 the clarifications, Daniel. I appreciate the experience u devs r able 2 share w' us here in this channel.
[2017-03-01 14:20] ID=7068 Transisto: As a company that had to setup close to 2000 people with mycelium wallet in person, we are getting very tired of having to go in the settings and add the Canadian $ currency for everyone . If there is any developers arround, Please let me know how much it would cost to have this made and have the code ready to be included in mycelium
[2017-03-01 15:19] ID=7069 RE_ID=7068 cvennekel: you mean activate currency based on your geo-location?
[2017-03-01 16:56] ID=7070 Transisto: Yes i made a github issue about that a while ago
[2017-03-01 16:59] ID=7071 RE_ID=7070 cvennekel: will check it out later, currently working on reducing backlog
[2017-03-01 19:46] ID=7072 thorbjorn: Give it a good grooming.
[2017-03-02 00:07] ID=7073 AROMACOMPUTERS: Kitco.com/finance/bitcoin \n1 oz Gold = 1.015 btc
[2017-03-02 00:22] ID=7074 Qblu32ooth: @Rassah matchpool
[2017-03-02 07:35] ID=7075 Ram1689: Does anyone know how long it will take to send MT from one Colu account to another? I'm waiting for abt. 1,5 day now, still no confirmations. Colu adds 0.0002 btc fee, that's not much but shouldn't it be confirmed by now?
[2017-03-02 11:58] ID=7076 ShortFatUglyDumb: None
[2017-03-02 11:59] ID=7077 Link89: None
[2017-03-02 17:41] ID=7078 RE_ID=7073 Rahoos: Ha. I'm selling 1BTC and one oz of gold today to pay bills. I'm not happy about selling either one, but I'm a lot less happy about selling the bitcoin than the gold. Expecting to bed able to buy the gold back at close to the same price. Not at all confident of the same with BTC.
[2017-03-02 21:16] ID=7079 hyipdirect: lol
[2017-03-02 21:16] ID=7080 hyipdirect: HODL
[2017-03-02 22:19] ID=7081 thorbjorn: You can buy the BTC back after the next crash. :P
[2017-03-03 22:15] ID=7082 GB: Hold MT coin on wallet yet?
[2017-03-03 22:31] ID=7083 DoubleYouSee23: Nope.
[2017-03-04 04:44] ID=7084 Waves.86: None
[2017-03-04 04:44] ID=7085 Waves.86: Hello
[2017-03-04 04:45] ID=7086 Waves.86: This has probably been asked a bunch
[2017-03-04 04:45] ID=7087 Waves.86: But what's happening with MT
[2017-03-04 04:45] ID=7088 ???: They packed up.
[2017-03-04 04:45] ID=7089 ???: They're done
[2017-03-04 04:45] ID=7090 ???: lol I'm kidding
[2017-03-04 04:45] ID=7091 ???: they're working on it.
[2017-03-04 04:46] ID=7092 Waves.86: Yeah man I have one still in colu
[2017-03-04 04:47] ID=7093 Waves.86: I've been hearing if this is a big hit
[2017-03-04 04:47] ID=7094 Waves.86: And they sell company they will just give us back the money we put in
[2017-03-04 04:48] ID=7095 Waves.86: Something in that contract, like they have the legal right to give 1 to 1 trade back
[2017-03-04 04:49] ID=7096 Waves.86: That would be nice if it was but on btirrex
[2017-03-04 04:49] ID=7097 Waves.86: Put
[2017-03-04 06:03] ID=7098 ???: it should be on tidex.
[2017-03-04 11:17] ID=7099 arottma: None
[2017-03-04 12:32] ID=7100 favdesu: holy shit, mycelium wants $5 for a transaction
[2017-03-04 12:35] ID=7101 BB_Martino: This one time, MyTrezor (when left the fee on High) wanted to send $100 worth of a mining fee. It would have taken a split second for me to OK it (after hitting the OK button 30 times already for all output addresses).
[2017-03-04 12:35] ID=7102 BB_Martino: Changed it back to 'Normal', was only $1.5
[2017-03-04 12:35] ID=7103 favdesu: I got normal selected
[2017-03-04 12:35] ID=7104 BB_Martino: Then maybe you're trying to spend from many small inputs
[2017-03-04 12:36] ID=7105 favdesu: can't that much since I consolidated 1btc to a single adr the other day
[2017-03-04 12:36] ID=7106 BB_Martino: What does MyCelium use for fee calc?
[2017-03-04 15:36] ID=7107 RE_ID=7106 Rassah: It's Core
[2017-03-04 15:36] ID=7108 Rassah: We use Bitcoin Core on the back end for fee estimation
[2017-03-04 15:36] ID=7109 Rassah: I always send with Economic
[2017-03-04 15:38] ID=7110 Rassah: Looks like fees are $0.35 or so again, so maybe your transaction is really weird and complicated. We'll take a look at our system again next week. Especially now that miners don't care about priory and only look at fees
[2017-03-04 16:02] ID=7111 MUZAFFAR7S: https://blockchain.info/tx/a5cc25e66a7564be30e9b4c1a5d5d70f72d478dcb56cf82f7b4d34c1b6826999
[2017-03-04 16:21] ID=7112 RE_ID=7111 sand57: What's this?
[2017-03-04 16:33] ID=7113 BB_Martino: I used to use Core's estimation on BB but it ended up way underestimating the fees, even when I had it on 0confirm I had dozens of people complain about low fees and slow confirmations. Now we use bitcoinfees.21.co. It over-estimates a bit but rather that than the opposite.
[2017-03-04 16:56] ID=7114 BB_Martino: *0confirm = target first block for confirmation I mean
[2017-03-04 17:14] ID=7115 Waves.86: Someone want to buy mt coin
[2017-03-04 17:14] ID=7116 Waves.86: This is bullshit, get it on a damn exchange
[2017-03-04 17:15] ID=7117 Waves.86: It's a been a year
[2017-03-04 17:15] ID=7118 franull: guys, please let bittrex know, that you're interested in MT being added to the exchange by answering to the tweet: https://twitter.com/MyceliumCom/status/808372764272979968
[2017-03-04 17:17] ID=7119 RE_ID=7116 Rassah: Not up to us. We can only ask
[2017-03-04 17:18] ID=7120 Waves.86: Well wtf happened to our invest man
[2017-03-04 17:18] ID=7121 Rassah: Still there
[2017-03-04 17:19] ID=7122 Waves.86: Well you guys should be doing something about
[2017-03-04 17:19] ID=7123 Waves.86: It's a damn year
[2017-03-04 17:19] ID=7124 BB_Martino: They made it very clear that they make no promises whatso ever. Anyone who bought MT can only nicely ask what's the update and recommend things. Not demand.
[2017-03-04 17:19] ID=7125 Waves.86: Lol then why invest
[2017-03-04 17:20] ID=7126 Waves.86: No promises ok that fine
[2017-03-04 17:20] ID=7127 BB_Martino: If I knew, I would have invested.
[2017-03-04 17:20] ID=7128 Waves.86: But what is  the outcome
[2017-03-04 17:20] ID=7129 Waves.86: What the benefit of holding
[2017-03-04 17:21] ID=7130 BB_Martino: Return on your money somewhere in the future if everything goes well. No estimate on the time or the % either.
[2017-03-04 17:21] ID=7131 Waves.86: Lol from the contract I heard if they sell the company
[2017-03-04 17:21] ID=7132 Waves.86: We get a 1 to 1 return
[2017-03-04 17:21] ID=7133 Waves.86: Nothing outta of it
[2017-03-04 17:21] ID=7134 RE_ID=7122 Rassah: We're building the product
[2017-03-04 17:22] ID=7135 Waves.86: Yes but that contract says you have the right to give us nothing
[2017-03-04 17:22] ID=7136 Waves.86: Just what we put in
[2017-03-04 17:22] ID=7137 Chad: Have patience
[2017-03-04 17:22] ID=7138 Waves.86: Nothing else if you sell the company in future
[2017-03-04 17:22] ID=7139 BB_Martino: 1 to 1 on a risky investment is actually not that bad. And yes, the product that's supposed to bring in revenue is still under development, so there really isn't much to expect at this stage.
[2017-03-04 17:22] ID=7140 RE_ID=7132 Rassah: The contract, the token itself, is 1 to 1. Any increase in company value is just paid as cash on top of it instead of being reflected in the token itself
[2017-03-04 17:23] ID=7141 Waves.86: Well where's the return
[2017-03-04 17:23] ID=7142 Waves.86: Ok
[2017-03-04 17:23] ID=7143 RE_ID=7135 Rassah: Contract says you have a right to any increase in company value
[2017-03-04 17:23] ID=7144 Waves.86: Are you guys trying get ios
[2017-03-04 17:23] ID=7145 Rassah: Not currently
[2017-03-04 17:24] ID=7146 Waves.86: Ok well
[2017-03-04 17:24] ID=7147 Waves.86: That's fine
[2017-03-04 17:24] ID=7148 Waves.86: What's this product
[2017-03-04 17:25] ID=7149 Waves.86: The bitcoin buy option
[2017-03-04 17:26] ID=7150 Waves.86: What is company valued at
[2017-03-04 17:26] ID=7151 Waves.86: When it was ico
[2017-03-04 17:27] ID=7152 Waves.86: Does it make sense to value at the whole company? But only offering 5% of the wallet
[2017-03-04 18:35] ID=7153 bigdaddyX: Hi rassah, did you speak with Kuzmin about Mass?
[2017-03-04 18:51] ID=7154 Rassah: Not yet
[2017-03-05 04:10] ID=7155 sec ond: seems noone can contact Kuzmin, even Rassah
[2017-03-05 19:19] ID=7157 Markatgraza: None
[2017-03-05 20:22] ID=7158 RE_ID=7155 GB: He's in the wind then, LOL
[2017-03-06 03:14] ID=7159 sec ond: Rassah is waiting for the fund running out. He will also disappear when thebfund is over
[2017-03-06 05:00] ID=7160 Rassah: Unfortunately I have nowhere else to go but in bitcoin, so I'll be sticking around
[2017-03-06 05:23] ID=7161 Anomaly: CEOs of companies come & go but the companies and their successful products most often continue on. And Mycelium is a very important & successful bitcoin wallet. The Mycelium developers also have an investment in the success of this wallet.
[2017-03-06 06:24] ID=7162 favdesu: Why do they have an investment?
[2017-03-06 06:24] ID=7163 favdesu: None of them bought Mt tokens as far as I know
[2017-03-06 07:24] ID=7164 RE_ID=7162 Anomaly: Perhaps I should have said commitment to avoid confusion with mt tokens. The devs have been dedicated & committed insofar as time spent on the project.
[2017-03-06 09:47] ID=7165 ShortFatUglyDumb: "The devs have been dedicated & committed insofar as time spent on the project" - I've had that sense too.
[2017-03-06 17:22] ID=7166 jshii: Will Mycelium be re-stocking the Entropy devices anytime soon? I see that there's none available at the moment.
[2017-03-06 17:24] ID=7167 jandreske: I am trying to coordinate with Kuzmin on that topic, but he is tough to reach.
[2017-03-06 17:28] ID=7168 jshii: I see people recommending the device for beginners, providing links to the site. There's people interested in it, and it's a shame that it's out of stock.
[2017-03-06 17:52] ID=7169 RE_ID=7162 Rassah: Reputation
[2017-03-06 23:57] ID=7170 Bitcoinpromo: “Why We Must Increase the Block Size and Why I Support Bitcoin Unlimited” by @ViaBTC https://medium.com/@ViaBTC/why-we-must-increase-the-block-size-and-why-i-support-bitcoin-unlimited-90b114b3ef4a#.n5on2en2r\n\nIs this a growing concern for enthusiasts???
[2017-03-07 05:13] ID=7171 Turbosteel: None
[2017-03-07 05:21] ID=7172 Rassah: Still waiting to get in touch with Kuzmin so I can find out what's going on. We're still working on the wallet as if nothing happened, but we're getting a bit worried.
[2017-03-07 05:35] ID=7173 RE_ID=7172 Anomaly: Thanks for your work & keeping us informed. Much appreciated.
[2017-03-07 07:28] ID=7174 Transisto: +1 Thanks for keeping us in the loop
[2017-03-07 07:34] ID=7175 RE_ID=7172 Valen_tin: You are still getting paid? Really no news of him?
[2017-03-07 09:11] ID=7176 bigdaddyX: @Rassah Why don't you stop working temporarily? I'm sure Kuzmin will be easier to reach then.
[2017-03-07 09:13] ID=7177 ShortFatUglyDumb: lol
[2017-03-07 09:14] ID=7178 ZaCkRrr: If he stop working, you should be worried because you dont know who maintain Mycellium wallet.
[2017-03-07 09:14] ID=7179 ZaCkRrr: 
[2017-03-07 10:07] ID=7180 arottma: Whats about paymentcode? Interested? \nhttps://paymentcode.io
[2017-03-07 13:35] ID=7181 mrcheek: None
[2017-03-07 13:43] ID=7182 mrcheek: Is there any chance of us understanding what happened to our MTs now that Colu has stopped working?
[2017-03-07 13:49] ID=7184 cvennekel: can't you login?
[2017-03-07 13:50] ID=7185 RE_ID=7182 cvennekel: Delete your cookies and try https://dashboard.colu.co that does the trick for most who have not logged in for a longer time
[2017-03-07 13:55] ID=7186 mrcheek: OK thanks
[2017-03-07 13:56] ID=7187 mrcheek: It's working now
[2017-03-07 13:57] ID=7188 mrcheek: I read an earlier message from someone on here and then went to colu and didnt seem to be able to find a login option
[2017-03-07 16:00] ID=7189 Gladpack: Cashila is suspending retail processing to focus on B2B services
[2017-03-07 16:01] ID=7190 Gladpack: So I guess Cashila will be removed from Mycelium?
[2017-03-07 16:09] ID=7191 Gladpack: If that's what they mean by retail processing? I see it's still possible to make IBAN payments on their website but they will stop processing it?
[2017-03-07 21:06] ID=7192 Waves.86: Mycelium is working for Shillary Shiton
[2017-03-07 21:14] ID=7193 SilverWolf8: im sorry this is all very confusing, are you guys saying Mycellium is no longer to be trusted with my bitcoins? please confirm as this is important
[2017-03-07 21:18] ID=7194 ???: None
[2017-03-07 21:19] ID=7195 BB_Martino: I didn't see anyone say that. And I'll still be using MyCelium. Also consider that anything more than spare change should not be kept simply on your phone but should be moved to a hardware wallet. Which you can still use with MyCelium.
[2017-03-07 21:19] ID=7196 ???: Hello everyone. This is Joachim from the Internet of Coins project. We would like to get in contact with the Mycelium team  to explore a possible collaboration between our projects.
[2017-03-07 21:21] ID=7197 ???: Please send me a note via Telegram, e-mail, or use the contact form at our website https://coinstorm.net . Greetings!
[2017-03-07 21:22] ID=7198 RE_ID=7193 Rassah: For trusting with bitcoins were fine. All your coins are still under your control. Regarding the funds raised as investment into the company there are some questions.
[2017-03-07 21:23] ID=7199 RE_ID=7197 Rassah: We don't have the resources for this right now. We're still focusing (struggling) on redoing the back end
[2017-03-07 21:25] ID=7200 ???: We've got a solid base for deterministic cryptography routines. I hope we may be able to assist you in some way.
[2017-03-07 21:27] ID=7201 ???: In any case, I believe in the Mycelium project. I have invested in it myself, and know your team is producing quality. :-) So I'd welcome any form of collaboration.
[2017-03-07 21:33] ID=7202 SilverWolf8: Thanks I thought so just wanted to make sure
[2017-03-07 21:33] ID=7203 RE_ID=7195 SilverWolf8: Of course I have a Trezor hardware wallet but i still wanted to be sure about my hot wallet ;)
[2017-03-07 21:34] ID=7204 RE_ID=7195 SilverWolf8: S1L3nt 🐋 Tr4D3®:\nIf he stop working, you should be worried because you dont know who maintain Mycellium wallet.
[2017-03-07 22:58] ID=7205 GB: I always saw my MT token as a donation to help Bitcoin adoption with a good wallet. Never really expected to get $$ back.  Sad to say, feeling like kuzmin took us all for a ride and is now sipping vodka in Moscow
[2017-03-07 22:58] ID=7206 GB: Worst effected are the developers though
[2017-03-07 22:59] ID=7207 GB: Hope I'm wrong
[2017-03-07 23:28] ID=7208 Rassah: The developers are still getting paid, even if sometimes with a slight delay
[2017-03-08 05:05] ID=7209 Transisto: I would never do the update right away for any wallets.  Security Pro-tip : Disable Automatic security updates.
[2017-03-08 09:36] ID=7210 Transisto: How many developers are on mycelium?
[2017-03-08 09:37] ID=7211 Transisto: I'm sending myself coins but at 17$ for a transaction id like to know what sat/byte I'm actually paying. A github issue i did that I'm still waiting on.
[2017-03-08 09:38] ID=7212 Transisto: (when making fee selection)
[2017-03-08 09:43] ID=7213 Transisto: I will use electrum RBF for that one, lowest fee still high, it's an internal transaction so can wait.
[2017-03-08 11:53] ID=7214 RE_ID=7211 cvennekel: the MR is pending already and looks like this http://i.imgur.com/T7dKWfD.png
[2017-03-08 17:33] ID=7215 ShortFatUglyDumb: Nice!
[2017-03-08 18:45] ID=7218 DoubleYouSee23: You should ban this guy, he's just spamming all the bitcoin chats trying to pump ETH
[2017-03-08 21:37] ID=7222 BB_Martino: And now he deleted the message. How stealthy.
[2017-03-08 21:37] ID=7223 Rassah: I did
[2017-03-08 21:37] ID=7224 BB_Martino: Oh ok.
[2017-03-08 21:38] ID=7225 BB_Martino: Good job 👍
[2017-03-11 02:02] ID=7227 Transisto: https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/5yl6f8/electrum_28_was_just_released_with_improved_fees/
[2017-03-11 02:03] ID=7228 Transisto: Damn, I wonder how much money they have raised.
[2017-03-11 02:04] ID=7229 Transisto: RBF 8 months ago \nCPFP button\nSegwit ready
[2017-03-11 02:06] ID=7230 Transisto: https://github.com/spesmilo/electrum/blob/master/RELEASE-NOTES
[2017-03-11 02:07] ID=7231 HostFat: They are taking money from the 2FA multisig service
[2017-03-11 02:07] ID=7232 Rassah: So they finally enabled dynamic fees? Ok
[2017-03-11 02:11] ID=7233 Transisto: No they did that in 2015, you never tried electrum did you ?
[2017-03-11 02:13] ID=7234 Rassah: I did. I wasn't impressed. Used Armory instead
[2017-03-11 02:13] ID=7235 DoubleYouSee23: ah, old memories
[2017-03-11 02:13] ID=7236 Rassah: Then Mycelium and Trezor
[2017-03-11 02:14] ID=7237 Transisto: armory isn't lightweight in the slightest
[2017-03-11 02:14] ID=7238 DoubleYouSee23: no.
[2017-03-11 02:14] ID=7239 DoubleYouSee23: no one implied it was
[2017-03-11 02:15] ID=7240 Rassah: I didn't use Electrum cause PCs aren't secure enough for BTC. My Armory was on an offline computer
[2017-03-11 02:16] ID=7241 Transisto: I've been using trezors since they came out, Not worried about that much
[2017-03-11 02:18] ID=7242 Transisto: I wish I could draw a chart of days between mycelium feature release. I'd be willing to bet everything almost stopped right after ICO. I have a hard time wrapping my head arround that.
[2017-03-11 02:18] ID=7243 Rassah: I didn't want to spend $150 to used Armory instead. Only got a Trezor much later
[2017-03-11 02:19] ID=7244 RE_ID=7242 Rassah: Yeah, we stopped minor features, only did critical bugs, and focused almost entirely on backend rewrite and UI
[2017-03-11 02:21] ID=7245 Transisto: Yeah stuff we can't verify, is anything on a public repo anyway ?
[2017-03-11 02:23] ID=7246 Transisto: Usually the goal of raising money is to hire developers you can oursource to, Like the 15 easy UI fixes I filled issues for.
[2017-03-11 02:23] ID=7247 Rassah: You can open Mycelium, go to About, select Changelog, and see everything that was added from 2.7.3 and forwards
[2017-03-11 02:24] ID=7248 Transisto: I can't see dates, are they somewhere on github ?
[2017-03-11 02:24] ID=7249 Rassah: Maybe.
[2017-03-11 11:31] ID=7250 udiWertheimer: None
[2017-03-12 11:51] ID=7257 sprks: ..  that was rather annoying..  for some reason transfers with 18+ confirmations weren't showing up in my Mycelium account..  although visible on Block explorer..
[2017-03-12 16:16] ID=7258 Rassah: It fixed it eventually? Sometimes when that happens reloading account helps
[2017-03-12 16:27] ID=7259 sprks: maybe took 50-60 mins longer than it should..  I reopened app a couple of times..   but all ok now
[2017-03-12 16:30] ID=7260 Rassah: Ah. Maybe it was connected to one of the nodes that was stuck. It tries random ones when you start the app.
[2017-03-12 21:14] ID=7261 Transisto: Bitcoin Privacy for All: Breeze Wallet Is About to Bring TumbleBit to Life\nhttp://reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/5yyd7a/bitcoin_privacy_for_all_breeze_wallet_is_about_to/
[2017-03-12 21:17] ID=7262 Transisto: Maybe mycelium could hire them
[2017-03-12 21:23] ID=7263 Rassah: Sorry they didn't bother using our already nearly complete open source code for mixing
[2017-03-13 04:48] ID=7264 Transisto: What is you mixing thing called again ? Missed the last update.
[2017-03-13 04:49] ID=7265 Rassah: Coinshuffle. Standard, by the white paper Coinshuffle
[2017-03-13 04:49] ID=7266 Rassah: Though we call ours ShufflePuff, cause nerds and all that.
[2017-03-13 12:30] ID=7267 painlord2k: It appears the fee emergency will be over in couple of months (probably three or four)\nI don't think BU will continue to gain 1% every day (like in the last 2 weeks), it will probably slow down a bit.\nAfter it get over 50% it will make no difference, anyway\n\nMycelium is ready or will be ready to support it?
[2017-03-13 12:49] ID=7268 favdesu: Why should mycelium support an altcoin at this stage?
[2017-03-13 12:49] ID=7269 Transisto: Why would fee emergency be over in two months?
[2017-03-13 12:51] ID=7270 Transisto: BU would not be supported by 95% of the ecosystem even if it reach 90% hashing power support.
[2017-03-13 12:51] ID=7271 Transisto: If that is what's it's about,,,
[2017-03-13 12:58] ID=7272 Gladpack: Only supported by 5%? That seems low
[2017-03-13 13:14] ID=7273 painlord2k: The ecosystem will support whatever will get increasing volume of transactions and the fee down to a sensible level.\n1$ / tx is not sensible. Uncertain about confirmation times is not sensible.\n\nBU not being supported by 95% of the ecosystem is just a red herring.\nYou don't know how many people and business support or will support BU.\n\nI remember 2015 and how many people and business supported Bitcoin Classic road map (or just asked for bigger block to be able to scale online).\nBitPay, Coinbase, and many more.\n\nIn the end the market will decide the price of coin spendable in one branch, in the other and in both.\nThe market decide in the end, always.\nAnd if the market decide differently from you, it is not a market failure.
[2017-03-13 14:05] ID=7274 ShortFatUglyDumb: "And if the market decide differently from you, it is not a market failure." -- I agree. But that also applies to your $1/tx comment as well.
[2017-03-13 14:06] ID=7275 painlord2k: On this we agree.
[2017-03-13 14:07] ID=7276 painlord2k: If the market say I'm wrong, it is not a market failure.
[2017-03-13 14:07] ID=7277 painlord2k: This is the reason I support the fork and allowing the market to price every solution freely.
[2017-03-13 14:29] ID=7278 favdesu: It looks like ChinaBU developers forgot to add fix for pruning node in recent release 1.0.1.0 : Bitcoin\nhttps://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/5z47f3/it_looks_like_chinabu_developers_forgot_to_add/?utm_content=bufferec9cf&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter.com&utm_campaign=buffer
[2017-03-13 14:29] ID=7279 favdesu: Awesome fork ahead
[2017-03-13 14:44] ID=7280 rodomonte: 
[2017-03-13 14:54] ID=7281 RE_ID=7280 arottma: LOL
[2017-03-13 15:52] ID=7282 RE_ID=7278 Rassah: Hopefully if BU does win, Core devs will be able to swallow their pride and help out, instead of ragequitting like some entitled pussies.
[2017-03-13 15:52] ID=7283 Rassah: I know at least some will, having met them in person and seen that they're actually, um, mature adults
[2017-03-13 15:53] ID=7284 favdesu: lol
[2017-03-13 15:53] ID=7285 favdesu: BU will end up as a shitcoin
[2017-03-13 15:53] ID=7286 Rassah: I hope not
[2017-03-13 15:53] ID=7287 favdesu: i get that mycelium is supporting BU?
[2017-03-13 15:54] ID=7288 Rassah: If it gets majority hash power and becomes the longest chain, that's going to be bitcoin going forward...
[2017-03-13 15:54] ID=7289 Rassah: Mycelium will support whatever chain becomes the dominant one
[2017-03-13 15:54] ID=7290 ShawnLeary: https://twitter.com/LukeDashjr/status/841183606848536581
[2017-03-13 15:55] ID=7291 Rassah: But personally we want SegWit, Lightning, and block size increase
[2017-03-13 16:10] ID=7292 painlord2k: After the Unlimited HF there is no reason Core can no ask (not demand) miners to implement a HF for SegWit.
[2017-03-13 16:24] ID=7293 Crypt0naire: 
[2017-03-13 16:41] ID=7294 painlord2k: 🙊
[2017-03-13 20:26] ID=7295 rodomonte: Ahahah
[2017-03-13 20:47] ID=7296 GB: Would be happy for a split.  That way I can dump my BUT coin and never deal with them again
[2017-03-13 20:51] ID=7297 favdesu: 👍
[2017-03-13 20:53] ID=7298 RE_ID=7296 AROMACOMPUTERS: 
[2017-03-13 20:54] ID=7299 Rassah: What if they get majority hash rate, your fork ends up with hour long block times, perpetually increasing backlog and confirmation times, and exponentially increasing transaction fees, resulting in your chain dying?
[2017-03-13 20:55] ID=7300 GB: Just hardfork to a difficulty reset and change algorithm away from current Asics.
[2017-03-13 20:55] ID=7301 Rassah: Cuz this isn't Ethereum. With two weeks difficulty adjustment and 10 minute blocks, the chances of having a fork split that can actually survive on both Forks are pretty slim.
[2017-03-13 20:55] ID=7302 GB: Chaim lives om
[2017-03-13 20:55] ID=7303 favdesu: major hash rate does not mean adoption
[2017-03-13 20:56] ID=7304 favdesu: if you can't trade your major hash rate coins, good luck
[2017-03-13 20:56] ID=7305 Rassah: So you will resist the hard fork by hard forking? Great
[2017-03-13 20:56] ID=7306 favdesu: bitcoin will be unaffected
[2017-03-13 20:56] ID=7307 favdesu: that's the point
[2017-03-13 20:57] ID=7308 GB: Given no option but a hardfork, then I hardfork otherwise I avoid  at all costs
[2017-03-13 20:57] ID=7309 RE_ID=7304 Rassah: If you can't trade your minor hash coins because they never confirm when you're trying to transfer them to an exchange, also good luck.
[2017-03-13 20:57] ID=7310 favdesu: as long as there is a miner there will be confirmations
[2017-03-13 20:57] ID=7311 Rassah: Why would you hard fork just to avoid a hard fork? Is it just a protest of having more than one megabyte blocks?
[2017-03-13 20:58] ID=7312 RE_ID=7310 AROMACOMPUTERS: Said CorgiCoin
[2017-03-13 20:58] ID=7313 RE_ID=7310 Rassah: Don't forget the backlog and transaction fees when everybody is trying to pile on into a single miner
[2017-03-13 20:58] ID=7314 GB: Single miner? WTF lol
[2017-03-13 20:59] ID=7315 Rassah: It just seems weird to protest such a change, when there is no technological advantage or benefit either way. The overall benefit is from the market, not your personal opinions.
[2017-03-13 20:59] ID=7316 ???: If BU splits at 75% there will still be 25% on Core
[2017-03-13 20:59] ID=7317 RE_ID=7316 AROMACOMPUTERS: And both die
[2017-03-13 21:00] ID=7318 RE_ID=7316 Rassah: Yes. So multiply block confirmation times by 4, difficulty adjustments time by 4, and all the issues with transaction backlogs by 4. I suspect the backlog will actually grow exponentially as people try to jump as fast as I can.
[2017-03-13 21:01] ID=7319 RE_ID=7293 AROMACOMPUTERS: This
[2017-03-13 21:01] ID=7320 ???: sure, huge backlog, high fees ... until the next diff adjustment
[2017-03-13 21:01] ID=7321 Rassah: Sure, in two months
[2017-03-13 21:02] ID=7322 Rassah: Assuming hash rate maintains at 25% and miners are willing to mine at a loss for that long.\nHow long is 2 months in bitcoin years?
[2017-03-13 21:02] ID=7323 ???: worth it to get the BU people off to their own chain
[2017-03-13 21:03] ID=7324 Rassah: As I said, you seem to have an issue with people and ideology, not the market. That is a terrible way to invest or develop any technology.
[2017-03-13 21:03] ID=7325 ???: meanwhile, BU pools are earning BTU with no vendors or exchanges willing to take them
[2017-03-13 21:03] ID=7326 AROMACOMPUTERS: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=XdyIJ-BUPaU
[2017-03-13 21:03] ID=7327 favdesu: nothing to do with idealogy. BU devs are garbage
[2017-03-13 21:03] ID=7328 favdesu: that#s the point
[2017-03-13 21:05] ID=7329 RE_ID=7327 AROMACOMPUTERS: Disccused in ^^ video
[2017-03-13 21:05] ID=7330 Rassah: I guess this assumes that core developers are immature and arrogant, and will not move to help develop whatever log chain wins, ragequitting like Mike Hearn when they don't get their way.
[2017-03-13 21:06] ID=7331 Rassah: I would actually be curious to see what happens and what they will decide, whether they will continue to support the longest chain in the spirit of Bitcoin, or just fuck off.
[2017-03-13 21:06] ID=7332 AROMACOMPUTERS: BU devs are Somewhere around 60,000 commits behind core, not counting segwit commits.  Since they branched off.
[2017-03-13 21:08] ID=7333 Rassah: K
[2017-03-13 21:09] ID=7334 RE_ID=7332 AROMACOMPUTERS: Consider if we HF...\nWill these core dev, redo ther work?
[2017-03-13 21:09] ID=7335 AROMACOMPUTERS: Or go get a real job
[2017-03-13 21:10] ID=7336 Rassah: You mean will they merge the work they already did in the mostly copied version of their prior work. Or merge whatever little change BU added to their code into Core.
[2017-03-13 21:11] ID=7337 Rassah: Personally I don't really care, because I don't think it really matters.
[2017-03-13 21:11] ID=7338 AROMACOMPUTERS: And edit it to be compatble, assuming things are different and it woudnt be a copy paste
[2017-03-13 21:11] ID=7339 AROMACOMPUTERS: Someone will prob copy paste\nAnd fail
[2017-03-13 21:12] ID=7340 Rassah: I like markets and believe in people being able to make decisions for themselves, instead of being guided by others who think they are better at making those for everyone else.
[2017-03-13 21:12] ID=7341 AROMACOMPUTERS: What about the 20% ish of the code, that has NOT been rewritten since satoshi days.\nDo these BU devs completly understand that code?\nDoubt it
[2017-03-13 21:12] ID=7342 Rassah: So I am all for experimenting and seeing how markets handle this.
[2017-03-13 21:13] ID=7343 RE_ID=7341 AROMACOMPUTERS: Id bet I can count the # of devs that do on 1 hand.
[2017-03-13 21:14] ID=7344 RE_ID=7341 Rassah: This is where the question of do the core developers support the idea of Bitcoin, or are they just fighting for their own egos, comes in. Will they stay and continue to support it? Or will they just quit?
[2017-03-13 21:14] ID=7345 GB: What about the median EB attack against BU?  Has that even been addressed or is BU still doomed to be raped by a tiny minority attack
[2017-03-13 21:14] ID=7346 RE_ID=7344 AROMACOMPUTERS: Right.\nI think they will quit
[2017-03-13 21:14] ID=7347 GB: Chain split after chain split after chain split
[2017-03-13 21:14] ID=7348 RE_ID=7346 Rassah: Which would be sad, but also point out that Bitcoin has been dead already.
[2017-03-13 21:15] ID=7349 RE_ID=7346 AROMACOMPUTERS: Or flip back to vga mining
[2017-03-13 21:15] ID=7350 RE_ID=7347 Rassah: Why would miners do that to themselves?
[2017-03-13 21:15] ID=7351 GB: Only takes 1 core minor to go attack BU
[2017-03-13 21:15] ID=7352 GB: That's why
[2017-03-13 21:16] ID=7353 GB: Weak chain dies then back to core
[2017-03-13 21:16] ID=7354 Rassah: I guess I don't understand the attack.
[2017-03-13 21:16] ID=7355 GB: Very small percentage of hashpower allows you to essentially Fork the network over and over again
[2017-03-13 21:16] ID=7356 GB: You just have to choose a block size that is has 50% above and 50% below
[2017-03-13 21:17] ID=7357 GB: And then mine 1 single block
[2017-03-13 21:17] ID=7358 Rassah: If the block is above what the majority of miners are willing to accept, wouldn't it just be ignored?
[2017-03-13 21:18] ID=7359 RE_ID=7358 AROMACOMPUTERS: Ignored and ban nodes *that relayed\nThis happened already
[2017-03-13 21:18] ID=7360 Rassah: Yep
[2017-03-13 21:18] ID=7361 Rassah: So, like I said, I guess I don't understand that attack
[2017-03-13 21:20] ID=7362 GB: In core, yes, not in BU.  In BU you can signal different block sizes, you hit right at the median point and the network forks
[2017-03-13 21:21] ID=7364 GB: https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/5g1x84/bitcoin_unlimited_bu_median_value_of_miner_eb/
[2017-03-13 21:22] ID=7365 GB: I think there are better write ups but I'm on mobile and busy right now and that was easy to find
[2017-03-13 21:23] ID=7366 RE_ID=7362 AROMACOMPUTERS: Exactly\nBY design\nBU can never have consensus within itself
[2017-03-13 21:24] ID=7367 GB: 👍
[2017-03-13 21:24] ID=7368 Rassah: So, why would miners do this to destroy their income?
[2017-03-13 21:25] ID=7369 AROMACOMPUTERS: If I was largest miner\nI would spilt myself up (already done)\nAnd confirm my own blocks 6 times\nWhich are insanely large, and cause enough latency on everyone else.\nTo front run every single last blck after that, except maybe maybe a random lucky miner.
[2017-03-13 21:25] ID=7370 Rassah: Or not take whatever steps necessary to prevent/punish this happening?
[2017-03-13 21:26] ID=7371 RE_ID=7369 Rassah: What if miners just ignore your insanely large blocks because they're too large, orphaning your work?
[2017-03-13 21:27] ID=7372 RE_ID=7371 AROMACOMPUTERS: Their minority\nI confirmed 6 times on longest chain\nIgnore if you want, just cause even more centralzation.\nYore mine will lose money ad log out, diff comes down. \nNow im finding blocks in under 10 min
[2017-03-13 21:27] ID=7373 GB: So they are going to ignore longest chain and fork again?
[2017-03-13 21:27] ID=7374 GB: This is why But is bad
[2017-03-13 21:27] ID=7375 RE_ID=7372 Rassah: They still get to decide that a block is too big though
[2017-03-13 21:28] ID=7376 GB: Super easy to attack and it only takes about 1 % hashrate to cripple the network
[2017-03-13 21:28] ID=7377 Rassah: They should do what is in their own best interest
[2017-03-13 21:28] ID=7378 RE_ID=7377 AROMACOMPUTERS: Like winning every block
[2017-03-13 21:29] ID=7379 GB: Drop mic
[2017-03-13 21:29] ID=7380 AROMACOMPUTERS: The list of game theory scam that be run is endless
[2017-03-13 21:29] ID=7381 RE_ID=7378 Rassah: All miners can't win every block. Your scenario applies to current Bitcoin as well, and the same problems - being punished by everyone else - likewise applies. It's the MAD scenario in Bitcoin.
[2017-03-13 21:30] ID=7382 AROMACOMPUTERS: The list of negatives points is endless
[2017-03-13 21:30] ID=7383 AROMACOMPUTERS: No just a big miner, split into 10 peices, all bigger than everyne else
[2017-03-13 21:30] ID=7384 GB: Also do not forget that it is in the core chain best interest to send over hashpower to split the Bitcoin unlimited network which only needing 1% will be easy to do
[2017-03-13 21:30] ID=7385 RE_ID=7382 Rassah: Sure. But as long as the majority consensus is able to punish bad actors who cares?
[2017-03-13 21:30] ID=7386 AROMACOMPUTERS: All ods point to getting to 6 in a row
[2017-03-13 21:30] ID=7387 AROMACOMPUTERS: Them they win from then on
[2017-03-13 21:31] ID=7388 RE_ID=7384 Rassah: I'm pretty sure if it's easy to do, it's easy to fix
[2017-03-13 21:31] ID=7389 AROMACOMPUTERS: BU had 4 in a row lke a few weeks ago
[2017-03-13 21:31] ID=7390 Rassah: So change it
[2017-03-13 21:31] ID=7391 AROMACOMPUTERS: Shows its entorely possible
[2017-03-13 21:31] ID=7392 GB: Then why haven't they fixed it? And why are they still pushing forward without having it fixed question mark would you implement something so easily attacked tomorrow because they wouldn't
[2017-03-13 21:31] ID=7393 GB: Would, not wouldn't
[2017-03-13 21:32] ID=7394 AROMACOMPUTERS: Fix it\nThats the base line of their design
[2017-03-13 21:32] ID=7395 RE_ID=7394 Rassah: That's the baseline of Bitcoin
[2017-03-13 21:32] ID=7396 AROMACOMPUTERS: Its flawed from day 1
[2017-03-13 21:32] ID=7397 GB: Which is why they cannot fix it
[2017-03-13 21:32] ID=7398 GB: It is fundamentally unsecureable
[2017-03-13 21:32] ID=7399 AROMACOMPUTERS: The prob is everyone gets to pick their own block size, is incredibly flawed.
[2017-03-13 21:32] ID=7400 Rassah: Remember how many issues it used to have, and when anti bitcoin crowd would point them out, or only response was pretty much yes, but we can fix it.
[2017-03-13 21:33] ID=7401 RE_ID=7396 Rassah: Sounds like an old argument about Bitcoin.
[2017-03-13 21:33] ID=7402 RE_ID=7401 AROMACOMPUTERS: Maybe
[2017-03-13 21:33] ID=7403 GB: Because it was a bad argument against A doesn't logically mean it is a bad argument against B
[2017-03-13 21:33] ID=7404 RE_ID=7399 Rassah: I suspect this will work out about as well as everyone getting to pick their own price, as opposed to prices being picked by a Central Committee.
[2017-03-13 21:34] ID=7405 Rassah: The entirety of Bitcoin is based on the idea of rational self-interest. I don't see why that would change.
[2017-03-13 21:34] ID=7406 RE_ID=7404 AROMACOMPUTERS: 3,200 btc for 1 zcash sounds like a good choice
[2017-03-13 21:35] ID=7407 AROMACOMPUTERS: Price discovery doesnt NEED concensus
[2017-03-13 21:35] ID=7408 AROMACOMPUTERS: Someone can be as dumb as they want
[2017-03-13 21:35] ID=7409 RE_ID=7407 Rassah: It just always seems to come to one.
[2017-03-13 21:36] ID=7410 RE_ID=7405 GB: Because it is in my rational self-interest as a core supporter to use hashpower at attacking and crippling any unlimited network
[2017-03-13 21:36] ID=7411 RE_ID=7409 AROMACOMPUTERS: Sort of\nNot precisely
[2017-03-13 21:36] ID=7412 GB: Because I see Unlimited as against my rational self-interest because it cannot secure my $$
[2017-03-13 21:36] ID=7413 AROMACOMPUTERS: Look at china price ( way under)\nLook at india price ( way over)
[2017-03-13 21:37] ID=7414 RE_ID=7410 Rassah: It's also in the rational self-interest of the current banking cartel to attack the current bitcoin core. But as long as attackers can be punished, and the costs outweigh the results, who cares?
[2017-03-13 21:37] ID=7415 RE_ID=7414 AROMACOMPUTERS: This
[2017-03-13 21:37] ID=7416 RE_ID=7412 Rassah: Well, if you plan on spending thousands, or millions, of your own dollars trying to attack another chain, then have at it. That's kind of the whole point of this whole system.
[2017-03-13 21:38] ID=7417 Rassah: If it can't survive, then it wasn't worthy of existing in the first place.
[2017-03-13 21:39] ID=7418 Rassah: I think it would have been good if these kind of issues could actually be discussed, and solutions found, instead of them just being dismissed as unworkable, and any discussion blocked.
[2017-03-13 21:39] ID=7419 RE_ID=7417 AROMACOMPUTERS: Freedom isnt free\nWe must fight for it endlessly\nIf Bitcoin fails...\nWe failed it.
[2017-03-13 21:40] ID=7420 RE_ID=7419 Rassah: This supports BU, because the idea is that people will fight to support whatever system the market chooses, not just let it all fail because of a very simple attack.
[2017-03-13 21:41] ID=7421 RE_ID=7416 GB: 1% hashpower attack perpetually cripples BU, not really millions of $$
[2017-03-13 21:41] ID=7422 Rassah: I suspect the market will not pick a very easy to attack system
[2017-03-13 21:41] ID=7423 RE_ID=7420 AROMACOMPUTERS: Only true if you honestly believe BU is the correct choice
[2017-03-13 21:41] ID=7424 RE_ID=7421 Rassah: I can't comment on that, but my guess is you are not the only one who understands this.
[2017-03-13 21:41] ID=7425 GB: How's losing more $$  1% attacker or 99% BU miners?
[2017-03-13 21:41] ID=7426 GB: Who not how
[2017-03-13 21:42] ID=7427 RE_ID=7423 Rassah: It doesn't really matter what I as an individual believes in a market-driven consensus system
[2017-03-13 21:42] ID=7428 GB: Switch back to core becomes the o ly option by first electric bill
[2017-03-13 21:42] ID=7429 RE_ID=7425 Rassah: Again, do you think you are the only one who knows about this problem? And do you believe that everybody else is completely ignorant and will just allow this to happen, and for this simple problem to break everybody's investment?
[2017-03-13 21:42] ID=7430 RE_ID=7427 AROMACOMPUTERS: Each has their own Individual responsibility.\nIs an excellent test of humans...\nCan we rule ourselves?
[2017-03-13 21:42] ID=7431 Rassah: That just seems a bit arrogant and naive.
[2017-03-13 21:43] ID=7432 GB: I don't think that at all, I just don't think they can fix it
[2017-03-13 21:43] ID=7433 AROMACOMPUTERS: Or do we need big daddy guberment to make our decisions for us.\n Cause were stupid collectively
[2017-03-13 21:43] ID=7434 Rassah: If they can't fix it, then why would they risk millions of their own hardware investment to adopt it anyway?
[2017-03-13 21:43] ID=7435 GB: Otherwise they would fix a massively crippling bug and issue a PR
[2017-03-13 21:44] ID=7436 GB: Maybe for control, maybe for ego, maybe to intentionally break Bitcoin to make money in alts
[2017-03-13 21:44] ID=7437 GB: 100 different reasons
[2017-03-13 21:44] ID=7438 GB: Why leave it in?
[2017-03-13 21:44] ID=7439 RE_ID=7433 Rassah: I agree, this is the question that Bitcoin, as well as things like Bitcoin unlimited, are trying to answer. I am very happy to hear what that answer is , regardless of the outcome.
[2017-03-13 21:44] ID=7440 GB: Why press forward without fixing it?
[2017-03-13 21:45] ID=7441 Rassah: Why do you think they're pressing forward without trying to fix it?
[2017-03-13 21:45] ID=7442 Rassah: Or pressing forward without there being an actual fix?
[2017-03-13 21:46] ID=7443 RE_ID=7441 AROMACOMPUTERS: All 4 devs are hard at work
[2017-03-13 21:47] ID=7444 AROMACOMPUTERS: All 4 privately employed by Ver and Jihan
[2017-03-13 21:47] ID=7445 Rassah: It's this exact arrogance of thinking that I know better than everyone else with regards to how to run an economic system that Bitcoin is trying to get away from, and which seems to have caused this giant divide in the community in the first place (with certain people in core and their supporters believing they should be in charge of deciding how to run the system, instead of letting the market itself decide).\nI'm not actually taking sides, I just want to see which way does goes, and hope it go somewhere fast to put this behind us.
[2017-03-13 21:47] ID=7446 AROMACOMPUTERS: Not like theres any conflict of interest there
[2017-03-13 21:48] ID=7447 Rassah: But it's miners who are making this decision, not Roger's devs
[2017-03-13 21:48] ID=7448 GB: Personally I think they're pressing forward without fixing it because it can't be fixed. And because ego won't let them quit
[2017-03-13 21:48] ID=7449 GB: But of course that's just speculation. However I will not support them until they have secure code because that would be stupid
[2017-03-13 21:48] ID=7450 Rassah: I won't argue that there are egos on both sides.
[2017-03-13 21:48] ID=7451 GB: Johan has a lot of miners rassah
[2017-03-13 21:48] ID=7452 GB: Jihan
[2017-03-13 21:49] ID=7453 RE_ID=7450 AROMACOMPUTERS: Lots of butthurt as well
[2017-03-13 21:49] ID=7454 Rassah: Yes
[2017-03-13 21:50] ID=7455 Rassah: If Jihan wants to push something that is insecure, and ends up splitting the network into two, where one half is supported by the majority of the market, by which I mean actual services and exchanges, and the other just being his own that everyone is aware has issues, then what is the problem?
[2017-03-13 21:50] ID=7456 AROMACOMPUTERS: Bitcoin XT (round 1)\nBitcoin Classic (round 2)\nBitcoin Unlimited (round 3)\n\nEach time ive said there will be another, and there will be again.\nWe just need to fight the stupid.
[2017-03-13 21:51] ID=7457 Rassah: Seems the technology is getting better in each round though
[2017-03-13 21:51] ID=7458 RE_ID=7455 AROMACOMPUTERS: Imo of Ver stopped funding the operation\nJihan would stop it
[2017-03-13 21:51] ID=7459 Rassah: It's not just Roger who is pushing for the change though
[2017-03-13 21:52] ID=7460 Rassah: If Roger didn't take on all the attention and ire toward himself, someone else would have.
[2017-03-13 21:52] ID=7461 AROMACOMPUTERS: I get that Jihan is def on wrong sde, good thing bitmain has many segmnts, Jihan is not the ony ceo.
[2017-03-13 21:52] ID=7462 Rassah: Don't forget that there are a lot of businesses that are being hurt by the current situation.
[2017-03-13 21:52] ID=7463 AROMACOMPUTERS: But imo if roger turned the funding off, Jihan wouldnt do it anymore.
[2017-03-13 21:53] ID=7464 RE_ID=7463 Rassah: Maybe, but him not funding the opposition would not get rid of the underlying problem.
[2017-03-13 21:53] ID=7465 AROMACOMPUTERS: Sure t would\nIf roger stopped funding it, its over
[2017-03-13 21:54] ID=7466 Rassah: I think you may be misunderstanding what the underlying problem here is.
[2017-03-13 21:55] ID=7467 AROMACOMPUTERS: All we need is bu signalling to drop to well under 5% from the 20's its in.\nRemove the veto card.\nSegwits will suddenly gain support.
[2017-03-13 21:56] ID=7468 AROMACOMPUTERS: As long as there is veto card. Majority of hash will remain on 0.12
[2017-03-13 21:56] ID=7469 AROMACOMPUTERS: Waiting
[2017-03-13 21:56] ID=7470 Rassah: People who support BU are not really against SegWit. Last I heard, do you plans to include SegWit code as well. So I don't see why getting rid of BU would necessarily lead to an increased demand for SegWit.
[2017-03-13 21:57] ID=7471 AROMACOMPUTERS: Ya I heard that\nTheir gonna try segwit with BU blocksize in 1
[2017-03-13 21:57] ID=7472 Rassah: The main problem with SegWit adoption may just be lazy miners and pool operators, not any sort of politics.
[2017-03-13 21:57] ID=7473 AROMACOMPUTERS: 
[2017-03-13 22:00] ID=7474 RE_ID=7472 AROMACOMPUTERS: Its the veto card\nThere is no point moving forward and "wasting their time"
[2017-03-13 22:00] ID=7475 AROMACOMPUTERS: They waited all the way througn 0.13\nNow 0.14 is an even better choice\nStill not "wasting their time"
[2017-03-13 22:02] ID=7476 Rassah: But the main problems the actual industry is dealing with right now, are tons of extra costs for wallet operators doing tech support for people who don't really understand Bitcoin well, answering questions about extremely high fees or very long confirmation times, businesses that established themselves as merchant processors or remittance services struggling to operate with very high fees that are approaching those of their competitors (established credit cards and banks), and businesses that developed their platform on the idea of being able to use Bitcoin to transfer wealth or information directly on chain, such as Tether, services for land registry and stock issuance, and even our Bitcoin Card hardware wallet project that we ended up stopping for now because until this is resolved there's no future in it using the current technology
[2017-03-13 22:03] ID=7477 RE_ID=7474 Rassah: You don't upgrade your mining pool by just installing a newer version of the core node. Nodes are extremely unoptimized when it comes to mining.
[2017-03-13 22:03] ID=7478 AROMACOMPUTERS: Its alot of work im sure
[2017-03-13 22:03] ID=7479 AROMACOMPUTERS: Securely doing it is even more time added
[2017-03-13 22:04] ID=7480 RE_ID=7476 Rassah: (not to mention all the slowdown or loss of adoption, as new people try Bitcoin and decide it is too expensive and cumbersome to use.)
[2017-03-13 22:06] ID=7481 Rassah: I'm actually saddened that we used to look forward to seeing adoption of it by new businesses, allowing you to pay for things with Bitcoin directly, and that pretty much completely died down now. So I kind of believe Roger when he claims that the price may have been much higher now.
[2017-03-13 22:08] ID=7482 RE_ID=7418 Anomaly: It isn't in the best (financial) interest of bankers and core investors to encourage or allow open debate & discussion. This is why a simple, genuine question of mine about the Bitcoin network a while back was promptly deleted from r/bitcoin. And I was a supporter of core/segwit when I posted my question. After digging deeper, my trust was wholly lost.
[2017-03-13 22:22] ID=7483 GB: I think the timing is funny but I just saw this...\n\nA summary of Bitcoin Unlimited's critical problems from jonny1000\n\nhttps://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/5z6d56/a_summary_of_bitcoin_unlimiteds_critical_problems/
[2017-03-13 22:29] ID=7484 Rassah: From what I have been told, all those problems are answered with basically, "Miners have their own interest in mind, and won't activate or screw things up unless they know it's not going to break everything."
[2017-03-13 22:30] ID=7485 Rassah: Honestly, for me, I was pretty much on the fence with BU until that statement. It's refreshing to hear that somebody wants to have decisions made by free market in a free market currency :D
[2017-03-13 22:33] ID=7486 GB: So then you don't care about flaws in the code you care about political statements?
[2017-03-13 22:34] ID=7487 Rassah: I think pointing out flaws in the code are done primarily as political statements. At least in our current environment.
[2017-03-13 22:35] ID=7488 Rassah: I also don't think the market will adopts things that have flaws in it if the market is aware of the flaws.
[2017-03-13 22:35] ID=7489 GB: I think pointing out flaws in code is a statement of fact and reliability and security and the validity of said code
[2017-03-13 22:36] ID=7490 GB: And I think the current market is just as free as any Market that Roger ver can provide
[2017-03-13 22:36] ID=7491 GB: Just more much more secure
[2017-03-13 22:36] ID=7492 Rassah: Note that such pointing out generally is only done to disparage the development of a competing idea, not to suggest fixes.
[2017-03-13 22:37] ID=7493 GB: If I bring a flaw in your code to public attention it's not my duty to fix it it's your duty to fix it. At least if you want anybody to use it. I don't get paid to fix your code
[2017-03-13 22:37] ID=7494 RE_ID=7490 Rassah: Market is not a current state, it is a dynamic changing system. A lot of economists seem to make that mistake.
[2017-03-13 22:38] ID=7495 RE_ID=7493 Rassah: Not saying you should fix it, but the purpose of issues being brought up currently is not because you want them to be fixed.
[2017-03-13 22:39] ID=7496 Rassah: That's why I say it's mostly politics. It's not developers working together to try to make things better, is just tearing each other down in order to win a fight of egos.
[2017-03-13 22:40] ID=7497 RE_ID=7493 Rassah: Honestly ask yourself if you want BU to actually fix its issues and become a functional option.
[2017-03-13 22:42] ID=7498 GB: I would love for it to be a functional option because then I could stop paying attention to this whole debate and not care what direction it goes on
[2017-03-13 22:42] ID=7499 GB: Nothing would make me happier
[2017-03-13 23:28] ID=7500 RE_ID=7476 ShortFatUglyDumb: Thx 4 pointing this out. I'd been naively and tacitly assuming the $2-coffee-for-$0.05fee crowd was just long-timers yearning for the good ol' days of lo fees. I 4got abt the problems that hi fees r causing businesses.
[2017-03-14 00:04] ID=7501 RE_ID=7301 painlord2k: Actually the branmch with large blocks can survive (unless the hash rate is way less than 5%) because it can overcompensate compensate time with size.
[2017-03-14 00:06] ID=7502 RE_ID=7325 painlord2k: are you sure?
[2017-03-14 00:07] ID=7503 RE_ID=7501 Rassah: What
[2017-03-14 00:07] ID=7504 RE_ID=7340 painlord2k: 👍😃
[2017-03-14 00:10] ID=7505 RE_ID=7369 painlord2k: Someone didn't get the memo, Unlimited has Parallel Validation, now.\nThis attack don't work
[2017-03-14 00:12] ID=7506 RE_ID=7503 painlord2k: If the large branch had 25% hash rate it could just build blocks 4 times large.\nSo if they want double the capacity compare to 1 MB branch, they just make the block 8 MB every 40 minutes)
[2017-03-14 00:13] ID=7507 painlord2k: I think there is not problem in relaying an 8 MB blocks every 40 minute (and this would double the capacity of their branch).\nSure confirmation times would be long. But much more easy to foresee.
[2017-03-14 00:13] ID=7508 Rassah: I think you misunderstood what I was getting at
[2017-03-14 00:14] ID=7509 painlord2k: The branch with small blocks can not do the same.
[2017-03-14 00:14] ID=7510 painlord2k: And the miners (in a minority fork) of the large branch wil just get a ton of fee (four time or more the fee of the other branch).
[2017-03-14 00:15] ID=7511 painlord2k: The success depend only on the market demand for the coin mined .
[2017-03-14 00:18] ID=7512 Rassah: Yeah, stop. I was talking about the losing fork
[2017-03-14 00:19] ID=7513 RE_ID=7476 painlord2k: Core supporters don't get it or just don't care,\nThe Core team just don't care (they have different priorities).\nNot a surprise they would get the peasants restless with pitchforck and torches
[2017-03-14 00:19] ID=7514 painlord2k: And now , Good night.\nAnd thank you for your work.
[2017-03-14 01:17] ID=7515 RE_ID=7513 ShortFatUglyDumb: I think Core & their supporters DO care. It's just that they see the best place for low-fee high-volume transactions to happen is on layer-2 rails on top of Bitcoin. There are Lightning networks almost ready 2 deploy, waiting eagerly in the wings pending SegWit activation.
[2017-03-14 01:18] ID=7516 RE_ID=7515 AROMACOMPUTERS: Even without lightning, pressure on fees would be lowered, by space increasing.
[2017-03-14 01:18] ID=7517 AROMACOMPUTERS: Any increase in blocksize, later, is exponentially more with segwit.
[2017-03-14 01:19] ID=7518 AROMACOMPUTERS: Of course the core devs care.
[2017-03-14 01:20] ID=7519 RE_ID=7518 ShortFatUglyDumb: And I think they're really trying to ensure the long-term health of Bitcoin.
[2017-03-14 01:20] ID=7520 RE_ID=7517 ShortFatUglyDumb: Gud pt.
[2017-03-14 01:20] ID=7521 AROMACOMPUTERS: Right, not what may help a little in the next few seconds...\nBut whats good in 40 years
[2017-03-14 16:14] ID=7522 painlord2k: http://www.trustnodes.com/2017/03/13/undercover-interview-adam-back-blockstreams-president
[2017-03-14 17:56] ID=7523 GB: Rassah, are you going to be able to use any of the samurai wallet code?  They have some good stuff going on, I really like the idea of connecting to my own node and being able to hide my app on my phone
[2017-03-14 18:20] ID=7524 Rassah: We'll have our own "choose your node" implementation, but don't plan to include the other stuff.
[2017-03-14 18:20] ID=7525 AROMACOMPUTERS: Gambit CollinBot:\nhttps://www.cryptocoinsnews.com/bitcoin-core-supporter-threatens-zero-day-exploit-bitcoin-unlimited-hardforks/
[2017-03-14 18:37] ID=7526 RE_ID=7524 GB: That's a bummer. I really don't like the idea of traveling through US Customs with the app Xposed where they can force a password out of me
[2017-03-14 18:37] ID=7527 GB: Who knows what crazy rules they might start enforcement of
[2017-03-14 19:03] ID=7528 SilverWolf8: Make sure you back up your wallet  and uninstall the app - I would not travel to the US with my real smartphone anyway.....if I ever do have to travel there...
[2017-03-14 19:03] ID=7529 SilverWolf8: create a fake social media account to show them when they ask for it
[2017-03-14 19:03] ID=7530 SilverWolf8: secondary email address too
[2017-03-14 19:04] ID=7531 SilverWolf8: or back up everything to cloud and just factory reset your phone before entering
[2017-03-14 19:12] ID=7532 favdesu: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1598276.msg18187666#msg18187666 uh?
[2017-03-14 19:16] ID=7533 Rassah: Oh, I'll post an explanation, one minute
[2017-03-14 19:28] ID=7534 Rassah: Replied
[2017-03-14 19:40] ID=7535 RE_ID=7532 SilverWolf8: that link points to a discussion of a group of people and their opinions, not many facts there...
[2017-03-14 19:41] ID=7536 RE_ID=5651 SilverWolf8: Actually most wallets don't even let you see the incoming transaction before the confirmations happen.  Mycellium lets you see it coming in right away, thats what I love about it.
[2017-03-14 19:42] ID=7537 Pepy Ganea: There is no smoke without some fire ...
[2017-03-14 22:19] ID=7538 RE_ID=7535 bigdaddyX: Silver wolf, I'll give you the facts. Over $250k has gone missing and Kuzmin is no where to be seen. No devs, no PM, no community staff, just a dead project. Killed as soon as the ICO finished.
[2017-03-14 22:21] ID=7539 bigdaddyX: And rassah while it's noble of you to defend your employer. You cannot defend the mass project and the way its investors have been duped.
[2017-03-14 22:24] ID=7540 Anomaly: I understand devs are still coding. In the event of "missing" CEO, I vote for Rassah as new Captain and leadership.
[2017-03-14 22:33] ID=7541 ???: Can we get a rundown of what's happening with Mycelium right now?
[2017-03-14 22:33] ID=7542 ???: on like a pastebin or something
[2017-03-14 22:34] ID=7543 Rassah: I'll write it out today or tomorrow. We're still working
[2017-03-14 22:35] ID=7544 ???: Thanks, Rassah.
[2017-03-14 22:35] ID=7545 ???: I completely believe you guys are working on it. Just people need their hands held and that's why a lot of FUD happens.
[2017-03-14 22:36] ID=7546 Rassah: Nah, we did have issues, but they're just business problems issues
[2017-03-14 22:36] ID=7547 Rassah: AK did get back to me finally
[2017-03-14 22:37] ID=7548 ???: Honestly, I've just started following mycelium recently. I wasn't part of the ICO, I just really like your work and want to see it completed.
[2017-03-14 22:38] ID=7549 Rassah: Thanks
[2017-03-14 22:38] ID=7550 ???: I do have one question though, maybe you guys can answer it. I've asked Waves but they're hard to get in contact with.
[2017-03-14 22:39] ID=7551 ???: Would depositing fiat with your bank account or debt card into your waves account be easier or faster than current ways like coinbase or kraken?
[2017-03-14 22:41] ID=7552 Rassah: Unfortunately I don't know. I'm not involved with it at all, and neither are any of the Wallet devs
[2017-03-14 22:45] ID=7553 ???: kk
[2017-03-14 22:59] ID=7554 ???: Waves slack is active with frequent input from devs.  Check it out and post questions there and i think you'll get answers
[2017-03-14 23:00] ID=7555 ???: Did they open it again?
[2017-03-14 23:07] ID=7556 SilverWolf8: I thought this chat is about the smartphone app mycelium wallet not some other projects...
[2017-03-14 23:08] ID=7557 ???: http://themerkle.com/mycelium-wallet-will-support-fiat-tokens-through-waves/ that's why I brought it up
[2017-03-14 23:08] ID=7558 Rassah: It is. People come in asking about other projects thinking we're involved
[2017-03-14 23:08] ID=7559 SilverWolf8: If its open to other topics now i would like to ask about the mycelium bitcoin card and what the progress is happening with that
[2017-03-14 23:09] ID=7560 Rassah: That's put on indefinite hold. High transaction fees are making the idea for it not viable (using BTC itself, as well as tokens on top of it pegged to fiat currencies), so we probably won't bother until this issue is resolved somehow
[2017-03-14 23:16] ID=7561 SilverWolf8: Maybe with BU?
[2017-03-14 23:17] ID=7562 Rassah: BU, or LN, or whatever works
[2017-03-15 00:26] ID=7563 GB: Well But definitely doesn't work.  Evidence: today
[2017-03-15 00:30] ID=7564 RE_ID=7525 AROMACOMPUTERS: 
[2017-03-15 00:31] ID=7565 AROMACOMPUTERS: 😂😂
[2017-03-15 01:23] ID=7566 Rassah: Good. Something to fix so it won't be broken anymore
[2017-03-15 01:32] ID=7567 AROMACOMPUTERS: And break 10 more things right?\nIsnt that how coding works?\nThen need to run on testnet
[2017-03-15 01:46] ID=7568 Rassah: I hope not. We code too :(
[2017-03-15 02:12] ID=7569 GB: I have no problem with shit breaking but when you don't even bother doing extensive testing and you want to take over a 20 billion dollar network, then I have a big problem.  Imagine if BU was already forked!  Bitcoin would be down
[2017-03-15 02:16] ID=7570 RE_ID=7569 AROMACOMPUTERS: Maybe that realy is the intention\nThough ignornace if nothing else
[2017-03-15 04:50] ID=7571 Transisto: No need to waste time on being segwit ready, no need to allow for fully custom fee, no need to implement RBF or provide any sensible UI for CPFP if BU goes through, very convenient.
[2017-03-15 04:53] ID=7572 Transisto: Anyway new wallet is gonna support many alts. So we're safe.
[2017-03-15 04:54] ID=7573 RE_ID=7569 Gladpack: Bitcoin Classic didn't have this issue so the Bitcoin network wouldn't be down
[2017-03-15 13:24] ID=7574 SJ C: @Rassah hi, what happens if one uses mycelium wallet on his android and then loses the phone. Just restore the mneumonics on another device and get your wallet back?
[2017-03-15 13:32] ID=7575 favdesu: Yep
[2017-03-15 13:33] ID=7576 ShortFatUglyDumb: (yes. assuming you didn't use old-style BTC single-keys that we un-backed-up -- but that's an advanced feature most users prolly don't use)
[2017-03-15 13:35] ID=7577 SJ C: i see, and if i don't have that mneumonic i'm screwed?
[2017-03-15 13:36] ID=7578 ShortFatUglyDumb: Pretty much. When u set up the wallet, it was very clear that you write down the mnemonic seed and save it.
[2017-03-15 13:36] ID=7579 ShortFatUglyDumb: (if u happened to export the xpriv key, u might be OK, but again, that's an advanced feature that most people don't know about)
[2017-03-15 13:36] ID=7580 SJ C: yeah, you guys know any situation where a mycelium wallet has been hacked?
[2017-03-15 13:37] ID=7581 ShortFatUglyDumb: If u have malware on ur phone...
[2017-03-15 13:38] ID=7582 SJ C: the phone needs to be rooted in that case to be comprimised no?
[2017-03-15 13:38] ID=7583 ShortFatUglyDumb: Not sure. Hopefully some1 else can comment on that.
[2017-03-15 14:50] ID=7584 RE_ID=7580 Rassah: We have had three thefts during our entire wallet's existence that we couldn't explain
[2017-03-15 16:25] ID=7585 whalehunting: Does Myceleum on Android currently have an option to replace the PIN with a fingerscan? If not, will it be added?
[2017-03-15 16:26] ID=7586 Rassah: No. Not a lot of phones have that option, so it's not a high priority
[2017-03-15 16:35] ID=7587 llewdis: I can't seem to get an answer from the developers at ledger wallet, but they reference COLU being supported on their blue device.  Can anyone confirm this?  I would love to get my MT out of the COLU web portal.
[2017-03-15 16:41] ID=7588 RE_ID=7587 cvennekel: did you try the colu App? its more convenient
[2017-03-15 17:55] ID=7589 RE_ID=7585 painlord2k: Fingerprints —> you leave them around on every dry surface.\nThey are good as account not for password\n BTW what happen if you lose the tip of your finger?\n⛑
[2017-03-15 17:58] ID=7590 llewdis: I am looking for cold storage. It is an investment.
[2017-03-15 17:59] ID=7591 RE_ID=7590 Rassah: Ledger or Trezor
[2017-03-15 18:00] ID=7592 RE_ID=7584 SJ C: Thats very honest but unstrategic for you to admit :)...probably an inside job
[2017-03-15 18:02] ID=7593 llewdis: Rassah, can you confirm the ledger blue works for colored coins (COLU), specifically for MT.
[2017-03-15 18:03] ID=7594 udiWertheimer: Hey, Udi from Colu here
[2017-03-15 18:04] ID=7595 udiWertheimer: As far as I'm aware, while the Ledger hardware itself supports Colored Coins transactions, their software wallet doesn't, so there's no easy way to do it
[2017-03-15 18:04] ID=7596 RE_ID=7593 Rassah: I can't confirm, sorry. Don't have one
[2017-03-15 18:05] ID=7597 llewdis: Ok. I am looking for offline cold storage hardware for my MT. Any suggestions?
[2017-03-15 18:05] ID=7598 llewdis: Thanks Rassah.
[2017-03-15 18:07] ID=7599 Rassah: I think paper backup seed for the bitcoin address is your best option right now
[2017-03-15 18:10] ID=7600 llewdis: Ok.
[2017-03-15 18:32] ID=7601 RE_ID=7599 AROMACOMPUTERS: 👍
[2017-03-15 20:42] ID=7602 Transisto: 
[2017-03-15 23:07] ID=7604 Rassah: They'll be returned
[2017-03-16 00:03] ID=7605 SJ C: really hurts to see all atlcoins going to the moon and MT's not even on bittrex
[2017-03-16 00:03] ID=7606 SJ C: still believe though
[2017-03-16 00:10] ID=7607 Rassah: We're trying
[2017-03-16 00:19] ID=7608 RE_ID=7605 ShortFatUglyDumb: Vinny is confident that the altcoin bubble will defly pop. https://twitter.com/VinnyLingham/status/841333023446454272
[2017-03-16 01:13] ID=7609 SJ C: you really believe in this guy huh?
[2017-03-16 01:17] ID=7610 SJ C: why does everyone keep forgetting about the word decntralized
[2017-03-16 01:17] ID=7611 SJ C: thats the whole point , it's strange
[2017-03-16 01:20] ID=7612 Rassah: Network effect, use value,
[2017-03-16 01:21] ID=7613 painlord2k: decentralization has no meaning without use value (for users).
[2017-03-16 01:24] ID=7614 SJ C: agreed, so unless one knows what that is, one can't possibly precit anything regarding this
[2017-03-16 02:32] ID=7615 ShortFatUglyDumb: also gud 2 remem that decentralization is a spectrum, & u can't get 100% of it.
[2017-03-16 20:54] ID=7617 RE_ID=7605 DoubleYouSee23: MT and ST aren't altcoins though, keep that in mind. Having said that I still want to hold those tokens in my own wallet...
[2017-03-17 00:48] ID=7618 Transisto: @rassah Does high transaction fee turn coinshuffle somewhat into a dud ?
[2017-03-17 00:51] ID=7619 Rassah: Coinshuffle makes fees a bit smaller because you share them with others
[2017-03-17 01:05] ID=7620 Liedes: Great @Rassah is also paid BU shill
[2017-03-17 01:06] ID=7621 Liedes: Surprise ehh ?
[2017-03-17 01:06] ID=7622 RE_ID=7620 Rassah: Okay 😏
[2017-03-17 01:08] ID=7623 HostFat: hei rassah, I'm also a fan of forks, but they aren't paying me 😭
[2017-03-17 01:09] ID=7624 Rassah: Me neither 😫
[2017-03-17 01:10] ID=7625 HostFat: 😂
[2017-03-17 01:10] ID=7626 Liedes: @Rassah does't give a fuck he's at life long vacation paid to talk shit to us
[2017-03-17 01:11] ID=7627 Rassah: So far I'm only losing money 😞
[2017-03-17 02:27] ID=7628 RE_ID=7586 SilverWolf8: fingerprint scan has been proven to be less secure than pin or password
[2017-03-17 02:29] ID=7629 RE_ID=7590 SilverWolf8: I love my trezor for btc, but not sure about alt-coin support
[2017-03-17 02:30] ID=7630 SilverWolf8: Mycellium is a great soft wallet, if you dont want to buy a cold storage wallet, you can get an old smart phone and put mycellium on it and dont install anything else on it and only connect for transaction update.....should be secure enough for spending money
[2017-03-17 02:31] ID=7631 RE_ID=7628 AROMACOMPUTERS: All that tech has bad blindspots...\nLike the facial recognition, verifies a photo of your face, faster than your face.
[2017-03-17 02:32] ID=7632 SilverWolf8: lol
[2017-03-17 02:32] ID=7633 SilverWolf8: if you want security, use cold storage
[2017-03-17 02:34] ID=7637 SilverWolf8: mycellium is my fave hot wallet though
[2017-03-17 03:23] ID=7638 RE_ID=7628 Rassah: I think so too, but I worry about cameras around me every time my fingerprint scanner fails (if my phone is too wet) and I have to type the password in.
[2017-03-17 03:25] ID=7639 SilverWolf8: Well thats why we shouldn't store millions in our pockets, just a few hundred for spending ;)
[2017-03-17 03:26] ID=7640 SilverWolf8: You can use cold storage hardware device like trezor foe your savings or an old smartphone that's not connected to the internet thst you keep at home with mycelium on it....
[2017-03-17 03:27] ID=7641 RE_ID=7640 AROMACOMPUTERS: Or a piece of paper laminated
[2017-03-17 03:28] ID=7642 AROMACOMPUTERS: Nearly unlimited options
[2017-03-17 05:45] ID=7643 Rahoos: Mycelium Entropy would be nice. Wish they were still made. It's open source though right? @Rassah, you posted a link to the Entropy source code here once didn't you?
[2017-03-17 05:48] ID=7644 Rassah: Yes, it's open source
[2017-03-17 07:28] ID=7645 jandreske: Is the hardware also open source?
[2017-03-17 09:22] ID=7646 RE_ID=7645 DanielWeigl: id think so - the schematic is in the git repo, which is GPL licensed; https://github.com/mycelium-com/entropy/tree/master/doc
[2017-03-17 17:43] ID=7647 RE_ID=7645 Rassah: Yes
[2017-03-17 23:37] ID=7648 Transisto: @Rassah WTF is mycelium doing ?  Next release is most likely not going to impress anyone so why not release more often ?
[2017-03-17 23:40] ID=7649 Rassah: That's a good question. Um, not as much as we hoped to I guess
[2017-03-18 01:01] ID=7650 justlanz: CEO still MIA?
[2017-03-18 04:16] ID=7651 Rassah: He got back to us
[2017-03-18 04:23] ID=7652 RE_ID=7651 ZaCkRrr: Any update ?
[2017-03-18 04:24] ID=7653 Rassah: Just keep doing what we're doing. SwishCoins will be refunded, and Mass isn't dead.
[2017-03-18 05:29] ID=7654 😸inaboat: Swish or swiss? I forgot which was it.
[2017-03-18 09:22] ID=7655 sand57: Hey guys. I've been doing some bitcoin related stickers recently. Try em out and tell me if you like them:
[2017-03-18 09:23] ID=7656 sand57: 
[2017-03-19 05:06] ID=7657 JuanSGalt: None
[2017-03-19 05:07] ID=7658 JuanSGalt: helllo
[2017-03-19 05:07] ID=7659 JuanSGalt: question
[2017-03-19 05:07] ID=7660 JuanSGalt: what happens to my BTU coins in case of a btc fork?
[2017-03-19 06:27] ID=7661 sand57: 
[2017-03-19 06:28] ID=7662 sand57: Just kidding. I don't really know. 😅
[2017-03-19 09:50] ID=7663 Gladpack: You'll have the same coins on both chains from the split
[2017-03-19 11:38] ID=7664 Renocoin: My MT dead???
[2017-03-19 11:41] ID=7665 BitKralj: yes
[2017-03-19 11:44] ID=7666 Pepy Ganea: Selling 1.1 mt , if anyone's interested prv pls
[2017-03-19 11:46] ID=7667 ZaCkRrr: im not sure where to store it if you give me free lol
[2017-03-19 11:53] ID=7668 Pepy Ganea: I understand the feeling  :p
[2017-03-19 13:59] ID=7669 sec ond: Rassah; Any new fund to mycelium wallet?
[2017-03-19 16:20] ID=7670 RE_ID=7660 Giszmo: It's complicated as BU doesn't intend to implement any form of replay protection. This weekend I looked a bit into how we could do this but other than tainting with fresh coins from either of the chains, I don't know how to do it.\n\nSo, if you can get hold of BTC-only coins, you can send all your funds to yourself, including those BTC-only funds. This transaction would not get confirmed on the BU chain, so spending its outputs would be safe from replays and once you imported your backup on a BTU wallet you would have the funds in UTXOs that are only unspent on the BU chain.\n\nCould we help with that? Probably not all automatic as it raises cost and privacy issues. Do you mind lumping all your UTXOs into one transaction for this purpose our would you like to taint with less linking? You would also have to pay a fee and wait for confirmation and pay for the tainted coins somehow.\n\nAs a feature I could imagine to have huge-ish mixing transactions where you sign to have mycelium get their tainted coins (in value) back and you get yours back, maybe with multiple users per transaction for additional mixing. Would be nice if we had coinshuffle ready for that but if BU forks the next month, I'm sure we will not have it ready.
[2017-03-19 16:26] ID=7671 ShortFatUglyDumb: If there is a HF, personally I plan to lock down 4 a few weeks and not move ANY of my coins, whether BTC or BTU, until it's clear how to do so, and do so safely. ... That said, I don't see a fork coming in the near future. Either not at all, or several months out.
[2017-03-19 16:26] ID=7672 painlord2k: There is a simple way to split the balances:\n1) send funds using a transaction with RFB active aand pay a very low fee for it.\n2) the tx will only confirm on the UL branch\n3) when it confirms (better if confirmed by a few blocks)  replay the tx with RBF, pay a large fee and send the coins to a different address.
[2017-03-19 16:28] ID=7673 painlord2k: The only problem with this (and other schemes) is the Core branch will scratch to an halt because after the fork it will be very slow and fee will be very high. You Core tx could never confirm.
[2017-03-19 16:28] ID=7674 ShortFatUglyDumb: "UL"=BU?
[2017-03-19 16:28] ID=7675 painlord2k: yes
[2017-03-19 16:29] ID=7676 ShortFatUglyDumb: Ok, thx. And does this work because BU dropped complete RBF support?
[2017-03-19 16:30] ID=7677 painlord2k: I think BU will just ignore the RBF flag.
[2017-03-19 16:30] ID=7678 painlord2k: But Core will not
[2017-03-19 16:34] ID=7679 painlord2k: In fact, you could just send coins to address A with a very low fee.\n\nUse Bitcoin Unlimited client to send the coins to address A with a very low fee\nUse Bitcoin Core client after BU confirm ANd the tx was dropped by the mempool of Core nodes to send the same coin to address B with a large fee.
[2017-03-19 16:34] ID=7680 Rassah: On the back end we haven't decided whether to stick with Core or run a BU node. Our general claim is that we will support whatever is the longest chain. Once we get SPV support, that may be a bit more complicated
[2017-03-19 16:35] ID=7681 Rassah: Personally I don't see the point of splitting your core and BU coins, since I think one of them will die rather quickly
[2017-03-19 16:37] ID=7682 RE_ID=7681 Valen_tin: Well if you want to sell the ones who are going to die
[2017-03-19 16:37] ID=7683 Rassah: This is one likely scenario\nhttps://www.reddit.com/r/btc/comments/606h7z/exchanges_saying_they_will_support_both_are_not/
[2017-03-19 16:37] ID=7684 udiWertheimer: ETC did not die, neither will the shorter chain. And yeah, people will want to trade it
[2017-03-19 16:38] ID=7685 Rassah: ETC didn't have a difficulty adjustment problem.
[2017-03-19 16:40] ID=7686 udiWertheimer: that's true
[2017-03-19 16:40] ID=7687 painlord2k: Put a slide on the interface:\n1 at the left (Core) and ∞ on the Right (Unlimited)\nwhen user switch from one to the other, the app switch from one server to the other.\nmaybe a different backgroud color when using one or the other could be nice.\n\nMY idea has probably tons of problems, but it is nice.
[2017-03-19 16:41] ID=7688 Rassah: With BTC, unless Core does something drastic, if BU activates at 75%, Core may have 40 minute blocks for as long as two months. And the transaction backlog may end up growing exponentially.
[2017-03-19 16:42] ID=7689 Rassah: Unless Core makes a hardfork of their own as a contingency
[2017-03-19 16:43] ID=7690 BB_Martino: Is there a hardfork clock page somewhere, like there was for ETH?
[2017-03-19 16:44] ID=7691 Rassah: No
[2017-03-19 16:45] ID=7692 Rassah: Last I heard BU won't actually activate a fork unless they know the majority of the rest of the infrastructure is ready. Whatever that means.
[2017-03-19 16:46] ID=7693 BB_Martino: Oh, so they can actually activate manually? Interesting.
[2017-03-19 16:46] ID=7694 BB_Martino: Can't put a clock on that, then.
[2017-03-19 16:48] ID=7695 udiWertheimer: i'm ok with 1 hour blocks :D
[2017-03-19 16:48] ID=7696 RE_ID=7693 Rassah: They just have a miner mine a larger block
[2017-03-19 16:50] ID=7697 favdesu: ah, it'll be just a matter of time until the next critical bug kills off the BTU chain. rogue miners will flock back to bitcoin then
[2017-03-19 16:50] ID=7698 BB_Martino: That isn't really a decision though, is it? Miners are already running the software and trying to find blocks. I thought there was a rule in the software to say "limit to 1 MB until [X]" where X is at least some percent signalling BU, so it would happen as a result of something and not a decision?
[2017-03-19 16:51] ID=7699 RE_ID=7695 painlord2k: Me too.\n\nCore will have 1 MB/hour blocks\nUnlimited could have 256 MB/hour blocks (if needed)\n\nUnlimited could mine two blocks per day and have three times the capacity compared to the current blockchain.\n\nWho would win?
[2017-03-19 16:52] ID=7700 RE_ID=7698 udiWertheimer: No, the thing about BU is that block size is a setting. They'll keep mining 1MB blocks until the manually decide to change that together
[2017-03-19 16:52] ID=7701 RE_ID=7695 Rassah: Don't forget that if 10 minute block + 12 minutes worth of transactions means 2 extra minutes of unconfirmed transactions in mempool (so each new book has 2, 4, 6, 8, etc), with 1 hour blocks you'll have 12 extras for every 10 minutes, so the very first block will have 62 minutes of unconfirmed, next block will have 172 minutes of unconfirmed, and so on.
[2017-03-19 16:52] ID=7702 Rassah: Transaction fees on that one will be insane
[2017-03-19 16:53] ID=7703 RE_ID=7699 udiWertheimer: transacation throughput is important but is not the only thing that matters. PayPal can do unlimited transactions. Why not use that?
[2017-03-19 16:53] ID=7704 BB_Martino: UDI: so the devs count on everyone using the software to manually change the setting at the same time?!
[2017-03-19 16:53] ID=7705 RE_ID=7698 painlord2k: Every miners decide indipendently.\nWhen EB2 (or more) has the majority of votes any miner can decide to build a 2 MB block. The majority will just accept it. The others will follow after a number of blocks defined in their AD parameter.
[2017-03-19 16:53] ID=7706 BB_Martino: Or there is some automation? If not, I don't see how it would work.
[2017-03-19 16:54] ID=7707 RE_ID=7698 Rassah: I think it was originally 75%, but I heard that changed to "until ready." I don't keep up with BU. This is just what I hear in my various interactions
[2017-03-19 16:54] ID=7708 BB_Martino: Oh I see now, just read more on the signaling.
[2017-03-19 16:54] ID=7709 BB_Martino: AD = EAD = Excessive Acceptance Depth (How many normal blocks are sufficient to burry a larger block)\n    EB = EBS = Excessive Block Size (Upper limit for normal block size, which will be relayed and mined upon)\n    MG = MGS = Max. Generation Size (largest block this node/miner will generate)\n    BV (for FGS if BIP100 emulation active)\n    FG (for FGS if BIP100 emulation inactive [default]) = Future Generation Size (proposed block size increase at a given block height)
[2017-03-19 16:54] ID=7710 RE_ID=7704 udiWertheimer: there are some mechanism to make that easier, but in general, long term the answer is yes. which is why unlimited is insane
[2017-03-19 16:56] ID=7711 Rassah: My point is that with 1 hour blocks you may not be able to use the Core fork at all.
[2017-03-19 16:56] ID=7712 RE_ID=7707 udiWertheimer: it was never going to be activated at a certain threshold, the plan was always to gain support first, then mine a larger block when they feel the time is right
[2017-03-19 16:56] ID=7713 RE_ID=7711 udiWertheimer: it'll be problematic for sure, i agree
[2017-03-19 16:57] ID=7714 RE_ID=7704 painlord2k: No, as I write, they signal what they will accept in that moment.\nWHen the majority signal they will accept 2 MB blocks anyone can start building 2 MB blocks.\nIt is probable miners will wait until a solid majority will accept 2 MB blocks.\nEG. No 51% but 66, 70, 80%
[2017-03-19 16:59] ID=7715 ShortFatUglyDumb: I wud also figure there'd b a large portion of Core supporters and other BTC users who'd stop sending transactions altogether, once the HF happens, until the dust settles (cud be several weeks). So, there might b a noticeable drop in mempool backlog, going from crazy high-insane down to still-ridiculously-high, or even just annoyingly high.
[2017-03-19 16:59] ID=7716 BB_Martino: I wouldn't like it to be weeks.
[2017-03-19 17:00] ID=7717 RE_ID=7715 Rassah: Exchanges will play an important part, especially if they allow trading both currencies as they claimed they will
[2017-03-19 17:00] ID=7718 painlord2k: Essentiually Emergent Consensus is a way everyone know everyone else preferences and act accordingly.
[2017-03-19 17:00] ID=7719 RE_ID=7715 Rassah: In case you missed it, I explain here https://www.reddit.com/r/btc/comments/606h7z/exchanges_saying_they_will_support_both_are_not/
[2017-03-19 17:02] ID=7720 ShortFatUglyDumb: Thx, Rassah. Will check it out now. I gave up on both subreddits last year, even though there's some gud conversations buried in there.
[2017-03-19 17:02] ID=7721 RE_ID=7716 ShortFatUglyDumb: No one wud. But Bitcoin might need to get "sick" b4 it gets better again.
[2017-03-19 17:04] ID=7722 RE_ID=7720 Rassah: The TL;DR is comparing how USD stuck in MtGox lost value as people converted to BTC to move money out, causing a feedback loop that made BTC rise compared to USD. With an easy to move BU coin and a difficult to move Core coin the same scenario may happen
[2017-03-19 17:04] ID=7723 RE_ID=7715 painlord2k: At the same time, remember, there is a competing chain, completely compatible for users and services, to use.\n\nIf and when the old 1 MB chain is back to 1 MB/10 minutes blocks, the other will be widely used and will has more transaction than the 1 MB could manage.
[2017-03-19 17:05] ID=7724 Rassah: People selling Core coins just to get their money out, causing a speculative attack where everyone floods Core chain just trying to sell their Core coins, making the problem worse
[2017-03-19 17:05] ID=7725 BB_Martino: On Gox, noone knew when USD would get processed or if it would at all though. If core's confirmation time goes from 10 minutes to hours, it's not as bad as gox. But the backlog would definitely be a problem.
[2017-03-19 17:06] ID=7726 Rassah: The backlog will likely make it so no one knows either
[2017-03-19 17:06] ID=7727 Rassah: But yes, the problem will not be as severe, you're right
[2017-03-19 17:07] ID=7728 painlord2k: THey would just need to pay 10$/KB instead of 1$/KB today.
[2017-03-19 17:09] ID=7729 ShortFatUglyDumb: Andreas' comment helps me feel a little better about this all: https://twitter.com/aantonop/status/841348353942265856
[2017-03-19 17:10] ID=7730 ShortFatUglyDumb: ...although that was about a week ago, so possibly a dated opinion at the speed things are moving.
[2017-03-19 17:11] ID=7731 RE_ID=7729 Rassah: That's true. Personally I'm not concerned about a hard fork either. Honestly I don't think if it happens it will be anywhere as big a deal as people fear.
[2017-03-19 17:13] ID=7732 Rassah: We've had hard forks before. To me the current situation really seems like a whole lot of people spread FUD about how terrible hard forks are, and how Bitcoin will die if it has one, and now people are freaking out for no reason, kinda like how the media spread fear about how Trump is literally the next Hitler and now everyone is freaking out (even though his government is stuffed with anti-government anarchists and bitcoiners)
[2017-03-19 17:14] ID=7733 SilverWolf8: What dos FUD stand for?
[2017-03-19 17:16] ID=7734 RE_ID=7733 ???: Fear, uncertainty and doubt.
[2017-03-19 17:21] ID=7735 ShortFatUglyDumb: There are always, it seems, more reality-defying layers in anything we have a closer look at in life, huh.
[2017-03-19 20:05] ID=7759 sabotagebeats: Can I put my MT in mycelium yet?
[2017-03-19 20:07] ID=7761 RE_ID=7759 Rassah: Not yet 😔
[2017-03-19 20:42] ID=7838 RE_ID=7836 Rassah: I doubt even core devs believe that bs
[2017-03-19 20:44] ID=7848 Rassah: Ask them what then?
[2017-03-19 21:01] ID=7896 Transisto: Do you know that Mycelium will have a say in this if BU hardfork ?
[2017-03-19 21:01] ID=7897 Transisto: Are your servers runing BU ?
[2017-03-19 21:04] ID=7900 RE_ID=7895 painlord2k: The market don't want adopt SegWit.\n\nYou don't commercialize cars using NLG when the producers have no intention of selling it.
[2017-03-19 21:05] ID=7903 RE_ID=7896 Rassah: We're running Core, but we're nowhere near the point where we even have to make a decision. I'm sure whatever we decide will be a mature, non-politically motivated one.
[2017-03-19 21:07] ID=7906 RE_ID=7900 Rassah: It does actually. We want SegWit, hardware wallets and merchant services want SegWit, and miners want SegWit. Coding is just a very long process. Hell, look at our slow progress :(
[2017-03-19 21:09] ID=7914 Transisto: As an ATM operator myself, I'll just switch to a different wallet provider. But I'm 99% convinced that BitGo is pro segwit and segwit ready. BTW BitGO is the backend wallet provider for a large part of the industry.
[2017-03-19 21:11] ID=7918 RE_ID=7914 Rassah: Mycelium has always been pro SegWit, and we'll be SegWit ready as soon as BitcoinJ is
[2017-03-19 23:04] ID=7919 SJ C: which path is the more decentralized path, BTC or BTU?
[2017-03-19 23:11] ID=7920 bits_of_change: ^Depends on who you ask....
[2017-03-19 23:11] ID=7921 Rassah: And on when
[2017-03-19 23:24] ID=7922 ryannguyen18: How do I see my MT on colu ??? Website changed ???  Thanks
[2017-03-20 16:02] ID=7923 RE_ID=7922 thorbjorn: I don't see any website change. You can see them on your dashboard like always: https://dashboard.colu.co/#/
[2017-03-20 18:58] ID=7924 SJ C: it seems to me that all BTC devs have to do to undermine BTU is to increase BTC's block size
[2017-03-20 18:59] ID=7925 SJ C: and then add insult to injury and adopt segwit
[2017-03-20 18:59] ID=7926 SJ C: simple (maybe not so simple?) strategic move
[2017-03-20 18:59] ID=7927 ???: just a simple hard fork, easy peasy
[2017-03-20 19:03] ID=7928 sabotagebeats: If I have money in exchange and doesn't support BTU then do I get screwed
[2017-03-20 19:04] ID=7929 sabotagebeats: If I have a wallet that doesn't support BTU do I get screwed
[2017-03-20 19:04] ID=7930 sabotagebeats: ?
[2017-03-20 19:09] ID=7931 RE_ID=7929 Rassah: In this case your private keys will work on both. You'll just have both in the wallet and will spend both at the same time.
[2017-03-20 19:10] ID=7932 Rassah: Bitcoin forks pretty frequently as miners find blocks at the same time, and the network is split between which block is the right one. But this split usually doesn't last beyond 3 subsequent blocks, and the longest chain takes over. It's so seamless that despite happening often you don't even notice it. In such cases, the two chains are still your bitcoin, and you may even be spending them on both chains. The only question is which of the two chains will become dominant. Once one chain becomes longer, the other is simply discarded.
[2017-03-20 19:11] ID=7933 Rassah: Hopefully any hard forks that happen will end up the same way, with the longest chain simply taking over, and you won't even have to worry about which chain you're spending on.
[2017-03-20 19:23] ID=7934 HostFat: 👍
[2017-03-20 19:27] ID=7935 RE_ID=7932 SilverWolf8: sounds like evolution
[2017-03-20 19:46] ID=7936 painlord2k: it is evolution, of the fittest.
[2017-03-20 22:01] ID=7937 Ziomik: None
[2017-03-21 06:26] ID=7938 TheSatMan: Can i store my MT token some where else - than at the Colo site? Paperwallet or some thing more secure?
[2017-03-21 06:35] ID=7939 Rassah: You should be able to make a paper backup of your account. I'm not sure how though
[2017-03-21 19:21] ID=7940 AROMACOMPUTERS: What the FUD is up with SEGWIT? We'll find out in about two hours...\nhttps://xotika.tv/#/channel1250/ImNotYourLawyer
[2017-03-21 20:40] ID=7941 SilverWolf8: If I will own coins on both chains, does that mean i will have double the money?
[2017-03-21 20:41] ID=7942 SilverWolf8: with that logic, it shouldn't matter which currency we use then right?
[2017-03-21 20:41] ID=7943 SilverWolf8: what you do on one, will affect the other..
[2017-03-21 20:41] ID=7944 SilverWolf8: almost sounds redundant
[2017-03-21 20:41] ID=7945 SilverWolf8: theory of the longest chain surviving does not make sense then
[2017-03-21 20:43] ID=7946 painlord2k: you have two different balance.\nnothing say they are worth the same or anything.
[2017-03-21 20:49] ID=7947 SilverWolf8: But if you spend on one you also spend on the other?
[2017-03-21 20:50] ID=7948 Rassah: Unless there's some mechanism to prevent it, yes
[2017-03-21 20:50] ID=7949 SilverWolf8: So then its almost as if a fork never happened
[2017-03-21 20:50] ID=7950 Rassah: Hopefully
[2017-03-21 20:50] ID=7951 SilverWolf8: Ok :)
[2017-03-21 20:50] ID=7952 SilverWolf8: Thanks
[2017-03-21 20:51] ID=7953 Rassah: As hopefully one of the forks just gets abandoned. Though there's a fight over which one it would be
[2017-03-21 21:17] ID=7954 Giszmo: @SilverWolf8 the problem is that you might pay somebody 1BTC cause he promises to pay you back 1.1BTC, which he does but he does it in a way that leaves you without "the other" BTC. Happened to exchanges with the Ethereum split. People withdrew their coins, getting ETC and ETH and deposited ETH back into the exchange and the exchange didn't care at first, assuming that ETC would die off quickly.
[2017-03-21 21:19] ID=7955 Giszmo: With respect to the BTC/BU situation I hope the prediction market provided by Bitfinex helps to get a better picture of how much the economic majority wants BTC or BU. https://www.bitfinex.com/stats
[2017-03-21 21:24] ID=7956 painlord2k: Bitfinex tokens are useless for that,\nThe terms are very vague and skewed for Core.
[2017-03-21 21:45] ID=7957 Giszmo: are they? How so? I only knew about it through an interview but understood that, yeah, well, you basically lend your coins to Bitfinex until either a fork at which point the tokens would get converted asap into the real thing or until December, when you could cash out the BCC tokens as Bitcoins and the BCU tokens would get dropped.
[2017-03-21 22:04] ID=7958 Frankffm17: Hi all...i apologize to jump in as new group member. Do you have and Ideas of i can transfer my celium from colu to another wallet? Many tx for help
[2017-03-21 22:09] ID=7959 SJ C: @Rassah how come you guys don't charge a buck or two for the wallet and try to monetize
[2017-03-21 22:09] ID=7960 SJ C: maybe 10, 20 bucks a year subscription for support...would bring in some cash
[2017-03-21 22:43] ID=7961 Giszmo: SJ  it's probably suicide to charge a fee for the app but we will charge a fee for the marketplace very soon.
[2017-03-21 22:49] ID=7962 DoubleYouSee23: Iirc they used to charge a small fee when using Mycelium Local Trader, but had to abandon that in order to remain in the play store
[2017-03-21 22:50] ID=7963 Giszmo: Google complained and some things were changed and the fee was never added back, although we are sure now that it was the tipping address in the app, not the fee on the market place.
[2017-03-21 23:14] ID=7964 SJ C: man that stinks
[2017-03-21 23:14] ID=7965 SJ C: @Giszmo marketplace?
[2017-03-21 23:18] ID=7966 Giszmo: SJ Local Trader, yes.
[2017-03-21 23:27] ID=7967 Giszmo: But seriously, is a 1% fee a big deal? The wallet team needs to get paid somehow and charging for LT is the least intrusive. We have ongoing server and support costs with zero profit. We can either take it out completely or make it pay for its costs at least. Also, it's not like you couldn't opt out from any fees in a real-world trade, which are the only trades this tool was made for. (It's actually very broken as the *** rating is totally misleading but that's a different story)
[2017-03-21 23:39] ID=7968 Rassah: I'm sure it's fine
[2017-03-21 23:39] ID=7969 RE_ID=7967 thorbjorn: The *** rating has already been removed in the latest release.
[2017-03-21 23:41] ID=7970 thorbjorn: But yeah, I find it already common to meet up with guys not wanting or not able to use Local Trader, even with there being no fee. Especially for people wanting to buy/sell several thousand EUR.
[2017-03-21 23:42] ID=7971 thorbjorn: They rather find me on LT and then use Threema for further contact, which provides a much better communication experience than the LT chat.
[2017-03-22 00:03] ID=7972 Rassah: Better communication experience? How so?
[2017-03-22 00:04] ID=7973 Rassah: I guess we should probably focus on the money changing hand part instead of communication part
[2017-03-22 00:33] ID=7974 Rahoos: My experience with LT chat system has been pretty spotty. Sometimes messages are seen, sometimes not. Usually if I'm on my way to a meeting place I'll have the app open and be refreshing every few minutes. It's usually okay then, but I still wish incoming messages were more intrusive like an SMS app.
[2017-03-22 00:35] ID=7975 Rahoos: The money changing hands part works fine as long as we don't both tap accept offer at the same time. Seems to freeze and look like the trade has been stopped then, but just wait a few seconds and it usually resets, or at worst we just open a new trade.
[2017-03-22 04:16] ID=7976 ???: None
[2017-03-22 04:17] ID=7977 ???: hallo
[2017-03-22 04:17] ID=7978 Rassah: Hi
[2017-03-22 04:18] ID=7979 ???: I'm reading the bacog
[2017-03-22 04:18] ID=7980 ???: *the backlog about the fork
[2017-03-22 04:19] ID=7981 Rassah: Ok. It's a bit off topic, so we need to keep that to a minimum
[2017-03-22 04:39] ID=7982 ShortFatUglyDumb: Mycelium Local Trader is a fantastic service, & quite unique in this space. I wouldn't mind paying a fair fee 2 use it.
[2017-03-22 04:42] ID=7983 Rassah: We would love to improve it, and have had quite a few ideas of how to do it for the last few years.
[2017-03-22 07:45] ID=7984 Bitcoinpromo: https://t.me/Bitcoin4Newbies
[2017-03-22 09:35] ID=7985 Frankffm17: Hi rassah
[2017-03-22 09:35] ID=7986 Frankffm17: I apologize to jump in as new group member. Do you have and Ideas of i can transfer my celium from colu to another wallet? Many tx for help
[2017-03-22 10:08] ID=7987 RE_ID=7986 cvennekel: Colu has an app for iOS and Android as well, which is more convenient than the dashboard, I'd recommend that before you can hold your MT in your mycelium wallet
[2017-03-22 10:46] ID=7988 Neo Cortex: None
[2017-03-22 13:53] ID=7989 Transisto: bips/bip-sizefp.mediawiki at bip-sizefp · luke-jr/bips · GitHub\nhttps://github.com/luke-jr/bips/blob/bip-sizefp/bip-sizefp.mediawiki
[2017-03-22 15:36] ID=7990 Rassah: Seems like a lot of unnecessary work that will create even more work once we do have to make changes to the protocol, lick block increases or algorithm changes
[2017-03-22 19:00] ID=7992 SJ C: what happens if BTU fork happens but you are holding your BTC on mycelium?
[2017-03-22 19:28] ID=7993 RE_ID=7992 Rassah: We don't know yet. We're not anywhere near enough to a fork to even start planning yet.
[2017-03-22 19:28] ID=7994 Rassah: Most likey you won't notice any changes though.
[2017-03-22 19:33] ID=7995 SJ C: dam i don't get it, i would think one has a mirrored amount on the BTU chain, just that mycelium wallet code need to be adjusted to be able to see it?
[2017-03-22 19:44] ID=7996 Rassah: It would have to be adjusted considerably to manage two accounts at the same time, plus that would also depend on how the fork itself is implemented, if it ever even happens.
[2017-03-22 19:45] ID=7997 Rassah: Right now chain splits happen (two miners find a block at the same time, splitting the network) and the wallet simply follows the longest chain
[2017-03-22 19:49] ID=7998 Transisto: If ever there is a fork stop doing any transaction using Mycelium. People are getting ready for an early HF because that's what the miners are threatening to do. Even if there is one chance in 10 000 it could happen. And it's more likely to happen if wallets like mycelium are not ready to handle the bitmain chain as separate.
[2017-03-22 19:53] ID=7999 Rassah: I don't even know if we intend to support more than one fork. And I'm very sure the "HF is imminent!" is a bit of a FUD. Neither BU nor SegWit are anywhere near their targets.
[2017-03-22 21:07] ID=8000 Transisto: BU want to HF at 75% they have 45% and Jihan apparently has some control over 75% of hashing power. They might want to pull something up before core develop a UASF strategy.
[2017-03-22 21:07] ID=8001 Transisto: Like I say, it's very unlikely something bad's gonna happen but if something does it's could be very bad.
[2017-03-22 21:49] ID=8002 RE_ID=8000 painlord2k: If Core Develop a UASF, I applaud them.
[2017-03-22 21:50] ID=8003 painlord2k: I support them to hard fork out of dodge.
[2017-03-22 21:57] ID=8005 Pepy Ganea: Uasf?
[2017-03-22 21:58] ID=8006 painlord2k: User Activated Soft Fork
[2017-03-22 21:58] ID=8007 painlord2k: The problem is SoftFork should be miner stuff, not users.
[2017-03-22 21:59] ID=8008 painlord2k: If users SF from the miners, they lose the miners and the ability to mine blocks
[2017-03-22 21:59] ID=8009 Rassah: Isn't soft fork miner agnostic? They just process valid transactions not knowing what they are
[2017-03-22 21:59] ID=8010 painlord2k: No
[2017-03-22 22:00] ID=8011 painlord2k: Miners use a set A of rules\nUsers accept blocks from a subset of rules, resulting in some blocks being rejected
[2017-03-22 22:00] ID=8012 painlord2k: the miners continue to mine, the users get left without new blocks after the first is rejected.
[2017-03-22 22:01] ID=8013 painlord2k: Unless some miner move to mine using the new set of rules.
[2017-03-22 22:01] ID=8014 painlord2k: But then they fork from the rest of the miners.
[2017-03-22 22:02] ID=8015 Rassah: Isn't changing a set of rules a hard fork?
[2017-03-22 22:02] ID=8016 painlord2k: It is an HF if the new set of rules is incompatible with the old set of rules.
[2017-03-22 22:03] ID=8017 painlord2k: it is a soft fork if the new set of rules is compatible with the old set of rules (just more restricted(\nBut the old set of rules is incompatible with the new)
[2017-03-22 22:07] ID=8018 painlord2k: E.G.\nIncreasing the blocksize is an HF from Core nodes because 1 MB is part of Core consensus rules (blocks 1.1 MB are invalid)\nOrphaning every block voting for SegWit is a soft fork because they are accepting every other valid block and SegWit mining nodes can not know why their blocks are orphaned.
[2017-03-22 22:08] ID=8019 painlord2k: the resulting chain is valid for SegWit mining nodes and other nodes not knowing the new rule enofrced.
[2017-03-22 23:01] ID=8020 TheSatMan: At the COLU sites ... there is a button  under settings - which shows you your the private keys (private seed WIF + Encrypted Private Seed)\n\nAs normal you can copy/paste this and there by store your MT offline/in cold storage... \n\nBUT what if the COLU site gets hacked? Then the hackers can simply do the same / the keys are still saved / available online?!\n\nHow / where do i restore the MT in case the COLU site shots down via the private keys?
[2017-03-22 23:08] ID=8021 Rassah: Install an app on your phone
[2017-03-23 07:01] ID=8022 😸inaboat: Https://bitcoinmagazine.com/articles/beginners-guide-surviving-coin-split/\n\nDoes this mean it is recommended to not perform any kind of transactions. Be it depositing, withdrawing, buying, selling on anywhere be it wallet or exchange, be it btc/usd or btc/altcoin, when the fork happens?
[2017-03-23 07:11] ID=8023 jandreske: It is a good idea to not make transactions unless you understand what you are doing, in case of a fork. \nBy default, sending a transaction on either side of the fork could cause coins on the other side to get sent as well. \nMost times you would not want that.
[2017-03-23 07:19] ID=8024 DoubleYouSee23: 
[2017-03-23 09:19] ID=8025 TheSatMan: @Rassah the private seed? Is it a BTC private key - BIP39 i think its called? The one COLU use or what?
[2017-03-23 09:20] ID=8026 TheSatMan: @Rassah also - what if the COLU site was hacked - they got the private keys as well?! Because the keys is not offline?
[2017-03-23 10:47] ID=8027 RE_ID=8026 thorbjorn: They don't have your private key. You need to enter it in the web interface to interact with your coins, and it won't send that to the server.
[2017-03-23 10:47] ID=8028 thorbjorn: I mean you enter your pass phrase or whatever they call it.
[2017-03-23 10:59] ID=8029 TheSatMan: Okay - i see ...but is it BIP39 seed? Or what standard does it follow? If COLU shots down - what other sites, apps ect can be used to restore my MT?
[2017-03-23 11:49] ID=8030 RE_ID=8029 cvennekel: coinprism takes colored coins afaik\n\nColu (iOS-App at least) will let you make a backup and create a BIP38 encrypted private key for you, which needs to then be imported into an colored coins aware wallet
[2017-03-23 11:59] ID=8031 TheSatMan: I already have a backup i copy/pasted from my COLU account at my pc... i so just need to know - what other apps/sites are Colored coins aware?
[2017-03-23 12:00] ID=8032 TheSatMan: I have iPhone - but if i make a backup of my private keys with the COLU app - where is the keys then backed up? And are other app there by able to access those keys (i dont understand - how)?
[2017-03-23 12:43] ID=8033 RE_ID=8031 cvennekel: CoinPrism / ChromaWallet / Mycelium Wallet (soon) / Colu
[2017-03-23 12:56] ID=8034 TheSatMan: I can only find COLU and MyCelium in Apple App store ... correct?
[2017-03-23 13:06] ID=8035 RE_ID=8034 cvennekel: correct, same for me
[2017-03-23 13:10] ID=8036 TheSatMan: 
[2017-03-23 13:10] ID=8037 TheSatMan: 
[2017-03-23 13:10] ID=8038 TheSatMan: 
[2017-03-23 13:10] ID=8039 TheSatMan: What is this? 😄🙈 nothing to do with CC? no place to enter private keys info...?
[2017-03-23 13:11] ID=8040 TheSatMan: And if MyCelium doesn't support - makes me left with - none 😕
[2017-03-23 14:42] ID=8043 RE_ID=8039 cvennekel: https://itunes.apple.com/au/app/colored-coins-wallet/id987953863
[2017-03-23 14:42] ID=8044 TheSatMan: I have this (old) app on my iPhone - call "Colored coins" which have the same interface as the COLU website ... BUT it crashes - when i press the menu... so i guess no wallet for IOS which is Colored coin aware AND working 😅🙈\n\nPlease correct me - if you know one ...
[2017-03-23 14:43] ID=8045 TheSatMan: 
[2017-03-23 14:44] ID=8046 TheSatMan: @cvennekel your link to an app - is not available to me - i have to change app store? 🤔🤔
[2017-03-23 14:44] ID=8047 cvennekel: neither is it for me, might have gotten pulled
[2017-03-23 14:44] ID=8048 cvennekel: but yes, I was referring to the same app like you ("Colored Coins"), it is working still on my device
[2017-03-23 14:45] ID=8049 TheSatMan: Also when you press the menu?
[2017-03-23 14:46] ID=8050 TheSatMan: But no other solution exists? 😧 no other app? Or web site?
[2017-03-23 14:54] ID=8052 RE_ID=8049 cvennekel: I am not sure what you mean
[2017-03-23 14:55] ID=8053 TheSatMan: My Colored app crash when i press the menu in the app
[2017-03-23 14:55] ID=8054 RE_ID=8053 cvennekel: No, works fine for me, do you have any data in there? You should be able to delete the app and redownload it from the store under purchases
[2017-03-23 14:55] ID=8055 TheSatMan: I mean no other apps/website exists which actually works and not have been removed from the app store?
[2017-03-23 14:57] ID=8056 cvennekel: you are limited by iOS, \nhttp://chromawallet.com\nhttps://www.coinprism.com\nhttp://dashboard.colu.co/ work for web.\n\nIf you have further issues, please message me at [email protected] or via PN, so we do not spam this channel.
[2017-03-23 15:41] ID=8057 udiWertheimer: Hey, Udi from Colu here.\n\nThe "Colu" app on the iOS is an app for consumers and doesn't support Mycelium Tokens.\n\nWe had a "Colored Coins" iOS app in the past but it's no longer supported and no longer available for download, I do not recommend using it if you happen to have it.\n\nChromaWallet, Coinprism, and Colu are unfortunately each using a different protocol so they're not interoperable.\n\nYou can only use the Colu Dashboard on web for your Mycelium Tokens, and I think Mycelium is working on adding support to their Android wallet
[2017-03-23 16:08] ID=8059 TheSatMan: So again - for IOS users - NO app exists and regarding web - no other web site can restore MT tokens if COLU shots down tomorrow??
[2017-03-23 16:10] ID=8060 RE_ID=8059 udiWertheimer: The Colu stack is fully open source, from the server to the client, so even if Colu shuts down you (or someone else) can set it up and continue using the tokens
[2017-03-23 16:11] ID=8061 udiWertheimer: We provide a developer platform, not a consumer solution. It is up to developers like mycelium that issue tokens to supply apps for consumers
[2017-03-23 16:12] ID=8062 TheSatMan: @udiWertheimer  Okay - Thank you 😊👍🏼
[2017-03-23 19:51] ID=8070 RE_ID=8022 SilverWolf8: i am ok with everything except this coin splitting, its confusing me
[2017-03-23 20:12] ID=8071 Rassah: I wouldn't worry about it
[2017-03-23 20:16] ID=8072 Cme: FUD sucks
[2017-03-23 20:17] ID=8073 Cme: but its a strategy
[2017-03-24 06:32] ID=8074 RE_ID=8070 😸inaboat: Im okay with it spliting only if i know exactly what to do when it happens. So far, its pretty clear to me to not deposit or withdraw. But what about buying and selling within exchanges?
[2017-03-24 06:35] ID=8075 Rassah: If two forks persist, check which exchanges support both. If only one fifth survives, it's not an issue anyway
[2017-03-24 06:37] ID=8076 RE_ID=8075 😸inaboat: Okay! Thanks!
[2017-03-24 13:51] ID=8077 RE_ID=8070 painlord2k: I'm back from a Bitcoin meetup in Venice (Italy) where we talked about that.\nMy opinion is simple, it is like the Y2K bug.\nA lot of hype, fear, doubts, histerya.\nIt will happen and nothing will happen.\nBecause miners have a vested interest in making it as smooth as possible.\n\nMiners will fork only with a supermajority.\nNad larger the majority lower the incentives to oppose it
[2017-03-24 13:51] ID=8078 painlord2k: P.S.\n\nhttps://twitter.com/olivierjanss/status/845215936026214400
[2017-03-24 14:19] ID=8079 RE_ID=8077 SilverWolf8: Is this why the price has tumbled? Fear? Withdrawals? Or are there other reason?
[2017-03-24 14:38] ID=8080 painlord2k: SegWit causes reorgs.
[2017-03-24 14:38] ID=8081 painlord2k: and probably forks and splitted networks
[2017-03-24 14:39] ID=8082 painlord2k: It only works if all nodes are Bitcoin-Core and nothing else.
[2017-03-24 14:40] ID=8083 ???: Read the post. It only happens if a segwit node connects to only non-segwit peers.
[2017-03-24 15:09] ID=8084 painlord2k: SO, SegWit is not backward compatible as it was publicized?
[2017-03-24 15:10] ID=8085 painlord2k: It must Segregate itself from other implementations
[2017-03-24 15:36] ID=8086 DanielWeigl: This only happens if the network is as fragmented as the testnework is (there are often reorgs, even before segwit) - this "problem" is absolutely irrelevant in a network were at least 95% of all miners are on segwit and connected to each other
[2017-03-24 16:18] ID=8087 The_Tokenator: None
[2017-03-24 16:21] ID=8088 The_Tokenator: Whats the latest with the mycelium token?
[2017-03-24 16:21] ID=8089 Rassah: Still around
[2017-03-25 14:42] ID=8090 javisobr: really?
[2017-03-25 14:42] ID=8091 javisobr: would you follow BU if they attack users?
[2017-03-25 14:43] ID=8092 Rassah: I suspect both sides will be attacking, but that probability won't be the deciding factor
[2017-03-25 14:43] ID=8093 Rassah: We're more concerned about things like security and quality of code
[2017-03-25 14:44] ID=8094 RE_ID=8084 javisobr: this is a complete lie https://twitter.com/roasbeef/status/845347908178210816
[2017-03-25 14:44] ID=8095 RE_ID=8092 javisobr: please.... Core is 426+ developers, BU is an orquestrated attack by Jihan Wu
[2017-03-25 14:45] ID=8096 Rassah: Doesn't matter. That's between miners, node operators, and exchanges. Our job is only to keep our users' coins safe.
[2017-03-25 14:49] ID=8097 javisobr: None
[2017-03-25 14:50] ID=8098 shinobimonkey: hello Rassah
[2017-03-25 14:51] ID=8099 shinobimonkey: have you guys given any thought to mitigating users risks during a chain split? such as potentially running an instance of both clients and giving users an explicit function or choice of which to connect to?
[2017-03-25 14:52] ID=8100 Rassah: We discussed it, yes. We aren't settled on what we will do yet
[2017-03-25 14:53] ID=8101 shinobimonkey: worst case you could try some kind of shutdown mechanism? possibly allow users to create signed transactions but prevent them being broadcasted directly via Mycelium?
[2017-03-25 14:53] ID=8102 shinobimonkey: would potentially help mitigate replay attacks by allowing users to more tactically decide how to propagate their TXes to miners
[2017-03-25 14:54] ID=8103 RE_ID=8100 javisobr: i hope this can convince you: https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/61bkqe/the_astounding_incompetence_negligence_and/
[2017-03-25 14:54] ID=8104 javisobr: all is real and confirmed
[2017-03-25 14:57] ID=8105 shinobimonkey: I appreciate as a wallet Rassah that you do not want to explicitly make a choice on supporting a fork for users, that would have serious implications for your userbase without a redesign/incorporation of features to support both chains
[2017-03-25 14:58] ID=8106 shinobimonkey: I get that, but ultimately you're software to some degree needs to be able to at least shut down if good reason is found to suspect a chain fork, which means some kind of mechanisms for the software at least to discriminate against different chains
[2017-03-25 14:59] ID=8107 shinobimonkey: BU developers intent is quite literally to essentially force SPV users onto their chain by making it difficult or impossible for SPV clients to be able to distinguish between chains, not acting to provide users with that functionality is essentially in a way the same as explicitly choosing a fork for them
[2017-03-25 14:59] ID=8108 shinobimonkey: except you are letting developers outside of your company coerce your users into that
[2017-03-25 15:00] ID=8109 shinobimonkey: I think that presents that same ethical concerns and potential consequences regarding Mycelium's userbase post-fork if a fork happens
[2017-03-25 15:01] ID=8110 shinobimonkey: just my two cents for what its worth
[2017-03-25 15:08] ID=8111 shinobimonkey: (or potentially a feature to allow specifying a connection to a trusted node of the users choice)
[2017-03-25 15:33] ID=8112 RE_ID=8107 bits_of_change: An upgrade is an upgrade. Most work is most work. Why shouldn't SPV wallets follow the longest chain _by default_ like they've always been doing? BU isn't forcing anything.\n\nI would agree that it'd be great if Mycelium recognized and could handle both chains, but it would take some time, post-fork, to discover if they both survive and in what form.
[2017-03-25 15:34] ID=8113 shinobimonkey: an upgrade is not an upgrade, an upgrade can be many different things, backwards compatible, not backwards compatible, consensus critical, non consensus critical. That is a ridiculous oversimplification
[2017-03-25 15:34] ID=8114 shinobimonkey: and as well, that is not how SPV was designed to function as described by Satoshi
[2017-03-25 15:35] ID=8115 shinobimonkey: SPV was intended to include a fraud proof and alert system to allow SPV clients to verify cryptographic proof of a chains violation or observance of consensus rules
[2017-03-25 15:35] ID=8116 shinobimonkey: BU is most definitely forcing something, in creating a non-clean fork that SPV clients are unable to distinquish from, and forcing their users to other use other software, or go with one chain regardless of what they want to do
[2017-03-25 15:37] ID=8117 shinobimonkey: aside from all that, not moving to create a function for wallets to preserve funds on both sides of a fork for your users is very irresponsible in my opinion
[2017-03-25 15:38] ID=8118 shinobimonkey: regardless of your opinion, your interpretation of the white paper, whatever, those are assets under your users control on another network, and to intentionally not take action to protect those assets is reckless, and will likely lead to real financial loss on the part of users who utilize your software
[2017-03-25 15:46] ID=8119 bits_of_change: You assume that the 1 MB chain would survive post fork. That's not guaranteed, and if it does it will probably require that Core HF away with a different POW or other mechanism to safely split, which means the burden is equally on them to create a "clean" breakaway.\n\nWhy should BU write an explicitly non-compatible fork when the goal is to "cleanly" upgrade as much of the existing infrastructure past 1 MB? Ultimately, these discussions are somewhat moot since the miners will wait until there's overwhelming "consensus" before risking their mining reward on a >1MB block. There will be plenty of time to prepare (and for Core to write their own HF).
[2017-03-25 15:49] ID=8120 shinobimonkey: Its not guaranteed it won't
[2017-03-25 15:50] ID=8121 shinobimonkey: I'm sad to say, I will be recommending everyone I know use something other than Mycelium
[2017-03-25 15:50] ID=8122 shinobimonkey: what you have said here has shown a complete lack of care for maintaining the security of your users assets
[2017-03-25 15:51] ID=8123 shinobimonkey: The nature of the fork, or who is responsible, is irrelevant
[2017-03-25 15:51] ID=8124 shinobimonkey: your user use your software to manage their keys, and by extension the assets those keys control
[2017-03-25 15:55] ID=8125 RE_ID=8119 javisobr: one thing is for sure: me, and everybody that I know (and I know hundreds using Bitcoin) will completely stop using Mycelium if you support BU. That simple. We are not allowing mining centralization and the attack of an individual over us. We are going away from fiat for that reason. So, you are most probably going to loose most of your clients here. Good luck with your business.
[2017-03-25 15:55] ID=8126 javisobr: and for the record: https://twitter.com/javisobr/status/845660271205109760
[2017-03-25 15:57] ID=8127 bits_of_change: I think you both need to keep in mind that I don't work for, represent, or otherwise speak for Mycelium. I'm just an interested user, same as you.
[2017-03-25 15:58] ID=8128 javisobr: good, but people is becoming very sensitive about protecting their bitcoins, many of us have been investing in this for years
[2017-03-25 15:59] ID=8129 javisobr: if a wallet company has doubts, we rather better go to another place
[2017-03-25 15:59] ID=8130 Cme: ^
[2017-03-25 15:59] ID=8131 RE_ID=8127 shinobimonkey: Appreciated, I assumed you were based on how you choose to engage
[2017-03-25 15:59] ID=8132 shinobimonkey: but I still think your point are entirely invalid
[2017-03-25 16:02] ID=8133 Cme: exit scammy
[2017-03-25 16:03] ID=8134 shinobimonkey: eh, don't jump to assumptions
[2017-03-25 16:04] ID=8135 shinobimonkey: I thought Patrick was with Mycelium, Rassah said they were discussing it internally
[2017-03-25 16:04] ID=8136 shinobimonkey: they're probably looking for the safest solution for users with least amount of effort
[2017-03-25 16:05] ID=8137 shinobimonkey: this is a kind of...not out of no where cost, but definitely not one seen coming with lots of lead time
[2017-03-25 16:05] ID=8138 Cme: just want to be able to vote with my coin. trezor and squat?
[2017-03-25 16:08] ID=8139 RE_ID=8106 Rassah: We don't want a mechanism that allows us to shut down our users' funds though
[2017-03-25 16:08] ID=8140 shinobimonkey: not allows you, something local wallet side
[2017-03-25 16:08] ID=8141 shinobimonkey: potentially that could be user activated/deactivated
[2017-03-25 16:09] ID=8142 shinobimonkey: and the idea would simply be the prevent Mycelium directly broadcasting a transaction itself, risking it leaking to both networks
[2017-03-25 16:09] ID=8143 shinobimonkey: if Mycelium in that situation could simply sign and export transactions, users could submit them any number of ways to increase the chance of not replaying on the other network
[2017-03-25 16:09] ID=8144 shinobimonkey: potentially sending them directly to miners
[2017-03-25 16:10] ID=8145 shinobimonkey: nothing would completely prevent users spending funds, just add some complications
[2017-03-25 16:10] ID=8146 shinobimonkey: and at the end of the day, isn't a bit of annoyance better than money lost?
[2017-03-25 16:10] ID=8147 Rassah: We broadcast our transactions through our own node. Currently core. When we get SPV working, you'll be able to pick your own node if you want
[2017-03-25 16:11] ID=8148 Rassah: But we're not going to get into this debate
[2017-03-25 16:11] ID=8149 shinobimonkey: okay, I'm not trying to get into a debate
[2017-03-25 16:11] ID=8150 shinobimonkey: just trying to see what you guys are doing to protect users in event of a fork, I use Mycelium myself sometimes
[2017-03-25 16:11] ID=8151 Rassah: Nor do we even have enough information to know what to plan for
[2017-03-25 16:11] ID=8152 Rassah: Resources here are unfortunately limited
[2017-03-25 16:12] ID=8153 RE_ID=8150 Rassah: As I said, we'll evaluate what is the best solution or fork when it actually seems like it might happen, and figure out then
[2017-03-25 16:14] ID=8154 shinobimonkey: 👌
[2017-03-25 16:18] ID=8155 RE_ID=8096 painlord2k: 👍❤️
[2017-03-25 16:23] ID=8156 RE_ID=8121 painlord2k: My current recommendation is to not use Bitcoin at all.\nit costed me 32$ in fees to completely move my mycelium wallet balance to an exchange.\nJust because I received a lot of very small payments and fees are astronimicals.\n\nI like Mycelium very much, but sorry can not honestly support or propagandize Bitcoin at this moment.
[2017-03-25 16:24] ID=8157 shinobimonkey: Thats inherent to how the system is designed
[2017-03-25 16:24] ID=8158 shinobimonkey: its not an account based system, its a transaction output based system
[2017-03-25 16:24] ID=8159 painlord2k: The cheapest option given by Mycelium was 19$ (AKA pray and hope)
[2017-03-25 16:25] ID=8160 shinobimonkey: optimizing the protocol itself is the only real way to fix that
[2017-03-25 16:26] ID=8161 painlord2k: > shinobius monk, [25.03.17 17:24]\n> Thats inherent to how the system is designed\n> its not an account based system, its a transaction output based system\n\nIf  Rassah believe you, I think he already knows what to do next.
[2017-03-25 16:26] ID=8162 shinobimonkey: I mean the Bitcoin protocol itself, not Mycelium
[2017-03-25 16:26] ID=8163 painlord2k: Mycelyum is blameless for this mess
[2017-03-25 16:26] ID=8164 shinobimonkey: thats not a problem with Mycelium, its just that spending a transaction from addresses with lots of small payments to them physically takes up more data
[2017-03-25 16:26] ID=8165 shinobimonkey: and since the fee is based on data size :/
[2017-03-25 16:27] ID=8166 shinobimonkey: Segwit will help a bit, and Schnorr Aggregrate Signatures more
[2017-03-25 16:27] ID=8167 painlord2k: No, the fee is based on competition for entering in the 1 MB
[2017-03-25 16:27] ID=8168 shinobimonkey: and MAST as a smart contract solution could help even more
[2017-03-25 16:27] ID=8169 shinobimonkey: its priced by transaction size Mirco
[2017-03-25 16:27] ID=8170 shinobimonkey: and it has to be
[2017-03-25 16:27] ID=8171 painlord2k: Do you ever watched Watchmen?
[2017-03-25 16:27] ID=8172 shinobimonkey: each transaction on the chain adds an externality to node operators
[2017-03-25 16:28] ID=8173 shinobimonkey: bigger transactions, in terms of data size, create bigger externalities
[2017-03-25 16:28] ID=8174 painlord2k: Do you ever watched Watchmen?
[2017-03-25 16:28] ID=8175 shinobimonkey: I don't see why thats relevant
[2017-03-25 16:29] ID=8176 painlord2k: There is a scene where Doctor Manhattan is interviewed.\nAnd they ask him a question.
[2017-03-25 16:29] ID=8177 painlord2k: All your MAST, Snorr, etc. are like a picture of an atom of Oxygen to a drowing man.\nWorthless.
[2017-03-25 16:30] ID=8178 shinobimonkey: security and sovereignty aren't free
[2017-03-25 16:31] ID=8179 painlord2k: Are worthless if you can not use them.
[2017-03-25 16:31] ID=8180 Cme: you seem be using it
[2017-03-25 16:32] ID=8181 painlord2k: Washing your hands is a good idea, but in the desert you drink it before you wash your hands.
[2017-03-25 16:32] ID=8182 shinobimonkey: I'm holding an opendime in my hand Micro
[2017-03-25 16:32] ID=8183 shinobimonkey: this can facilitate an infinite number of transactions for however much is on it with zero transaction fees
[2017-03-25 16:32] ID=8184 Rassah: Can you guys discuss this elsewhere please?
[2017-03-25 16:32] ID=8185 painlord2k: Are you sure you will be able to use it, in the future, or Bitcoin will be worthless (or worth a lot less) because fees are too hjig.
[2017-03-25 16:33] ID=8186 shinobimonkey: when you give people technology, they find counter intuitive and original ways of using it
[2017-03-25 16:33] ID=8187 RE_ID=8184 painlord2k: Sorry.
[2017-03-25 16:33] ID=8188 RE_ID=8184 shinobimonkey: 👍
[2017-03-25 16:35] ID=8189 Cme: ^
[2017-03-25 18:31] ID=8194 sabotagebeats: So doesn't the fork need 80% of nodes
[2017-03-25 18:31] ID=8195 sabotagebeats: Bc they are at like 10 percent only
[2017-03-25 18:31] ID=8196 sabotagebeats: And the push is way wimpier than XT or classic. So I don't see a fork happening if that's the case
[2017-03-25 19:20] ID=8197 favdesu: None
[2017-03-25 19:20] ID=8198 favdesu: anyone buying MT?
[2017-03-25 19:20] ID=8199 sabotagebeats: I bought mine in the presale
[2017-03-25 20:09] ID=8200 GB: I sell an MT for .5btc
[2017-03-25 20:26] ID=8201 Anomaly: I woke up this morning and thought something important happened with all these messages in mycelium chat! We need a separate "fork debate" chat group. This is Mycelium group.
[2017-03-25 20:33] ID=8202 Rassah: 👍
[2017-03-25 23:08] ID=8203 GB: OK, I'll sell 1.1 MT for .45 BTC any takers?
[2017-03-26 02:17] ID=8204 Transisto: @Rassah Have you deleted some of my message about Bitpay wallet ?
[2017-03-26 02:22] ID=8205 Rassah: Yeah. No spam please
[2017-03-26 02:24] ID=8206 Transisto: That's not spam I'm pointing out to what the competition is doing,
[2017-03-26 02:25] ID=8207 Transisto: I was specifically pointing out to the way they force the user to aknowledge responsibility for their fund without a backup.
[2017-03-26 02:26] ID=8208 Transisto: I still have to help everyone I install the wallet to change the default currency to canadian even though I offered to pay for the development of that feature.
[2017-03-26 02:27] ID=8209 Transisto: it's far from obvious how to do the backup from within mycelium
[2017-03-26 02:27] ID=8210 Rassah: Oh
[2017-03-26 02:29] ID=8211 Transisto: Mycelium doen't ask the user to do a backup, it's hidden in the setting.
[2017-03-26 02:29] ID=8212 Transisto: That's irresponsible.
[2017-03-26 02:30] ID=8213 Rassah: Yes 😞
[2017-03-26 02:36] ID=8214 ???: Glad there are easy to recognize avatars here.  Helps me scroll past the trolls much faster.  ;-)
[2017-03-26 09:54] ID=8215 favdesu: selling 1.15 MT for 0.40 BTC
[2017-03-27 06:02] ID=8216 briannphan: None
[2017-03-27 08:52] ID=8217 abstractbtc: I reckon current MT price trends towards 0...?
[2017-03-27 14:50] ID=8219 GB: Might actually be zero, not finding any buyers
[2017-03-27 14:52] ID=8220 SJ C: yep, unless we get on trex, and given the amount of crap coins on there, really strange why MT isn't on there
[2017-03-27 14:53] ID=8221 udiWertheimer: Hey, Udi from Colu here, we just published a statement reagarding contentious hard forks, with guidance for ColoredCoins issuers and users: https://medium.com/colu/on-coins-of-color-and-forks-of-force-1363f3977170
[2017-03-27 14:53] ID=8222 SJ C: once the WAVES dex is operational, i suggest requesting to add there
[2017-03-27 14:54] ID=8223 udiWertheimer: This affects Mycelium Token holders as well, basically Mycelium will have to make a decision regarding which chain will be considered valid for MT. More details in the post
[2017-03-27 17:09] ID=8224 Gladpack: I think I speak for most MT holders when I say I wish that Mycelium would have used something other than Colu and Coloured Coins. If they'd choose Ethereum and an ERC20 token they would already be tradeable on Oasis
[2017-03-27 17:10] ID=8225 Gladpack: It's not to late to move to Ethereum as Storj had shown
[2017-03-27 17:11] ID=8226 SJ C: no offense to colu, but that's a great idea Gladpack!
[2017-03-27 17:16] ID=8227 Rahoos: I think we'd still have the same problem, but I don't know much about Ethereum.\nIf the Ethereum network forked, would an ERC20 token choose which chain is valid for itself?
[2017-03-27 17:19] ID=8228 udiWertheimer: (Udi from Colu again) Mycelium is free to do that of course! It's always possible to move to another platform, Mycelium wouldn't be the first project to ever move from one platform to another.\n\nWe were happy to hear it when Mycelium decided to use Colu, and we did the best we could to host users (and we got no payment for that of any kind btw), we even developed support for MT on Bitsquare. But in the end, the Colu platform is really built for different usecases. So of course Mycelium is free to pick whatever seems right!\n\nAs for the specific case of the fork, we're just trying to help really, and provide guidance. This isn't related specifically to Colu in any way, it would be the same with other Bitcoin-based platforms like Counterparty or Omni, and on Ethereum it would be the same too if the chain forked (although most Ethereum forks aren't "contentious")
[2017-03-27 17:23] ID=8229 RE_ID=8228 Rahoos: But it's not because this is a contentious fork, right? The issue you're pointing out is really simple: if you make assets based on a blockchain address, and that blockchain forks, you have to decide which fork has the addresses that represent the assets. Or I suppose you (the issuing entity I mean) could treat it like a 2-for-1 stock split.
[2017-03-27 17:24] ID=8230 udiWertheimer: Well, when in a non-contentious hard fork, the assumption is that the old chain dies because everyone agrees that the fork is just an "upgrade". This happens many times with Ethereum, except for the one post-DAO fork that resulted with ETC.
[2017-03-27 17:24] ID=8231 Rahoos: Ok, I see.
[2017-03-27 17:25] ID=8232 udiWertheimer: As for the 2-for-1 split, well yeah, I guess that's an option too, but the same applies - the issuer must state clearly that this is going to be the case, and explain the legal meaning, to avoid confusion. I would assume most issuers would prefer to avoid this scenario
[2017-03-27 17:39] ID=8233 RE_ID=8224 DoubleYouSee23: If they built on top of anything other than bitcoin I never would have invested. Many people didn't just give money to mycelium they were giving money to the concept of using bitcoins to store property.
[2017-03-27 17:39] ID=8234 DoubleYouSee23: If it doesn't work out that sucks, but the concept itself has made progress
[2017-03-27 17:48] ID=8235 Rassah: If this becomes a problem, we can have users redeem Colu MT for other system MT, of course. I do wish I knew why Bittrex isn't adding us though
[2017-03-27 18:02] ID=8236 Gladpack: So Colu claims that a minority fork with anyone-can-spend SegWit is safer than a majority Bitcoin Unlimited fork? In that case the current Bitcoin chain is also unsafe since miners can already change their block size by recompiling Bitcoin Core. Bitcoin Unlimited just makes it more convenient.
[2017-03-27 18:20] ID=8237 DoubleYouSee23: Keep in mind the possibility that the point of this whole debate is to drive us into opposing camps and have us attack our own network.
[2017-03-27 18:21] ID=8238 DoubleYouSee23: WE are bitcoins largest attack surface
[2017-03-27 18:21] ID=8239 ???: Rassah, maybe MT could migrate to Waves platform.  Token generation is easy, incorporated into waves wallet and easily tradable.
[2017-03-27 18:25] ID=8240 SJ C: i like that idea too, but i feel like eth has a wider audience with more legitimacy, can still trade the eth based MT token on the waves platform if i am not mistaken
[2017-03-27 18:30] ID=8241 RE_ID=8222 Valen_tin: Why not on the Bitshares DEX?
[2017-03-27 18:31] ID=8242 Valen_tin: Really thing Bitshares is more suitable for token than Ethereum, Counterparty, Omni..
[2017-03-27 18:59] ID=8243 SJ C: yeah why not, except nobody is working to get it on there
[2017-03-27 19:05] ID=8244 TheSatMan: You can add MT tokens to Waves Exchange named Tidex (the one Waves works with and the one Waves DEX will use as an matching engine) - its cost 1 btc to get a coin listed - and takes only 1 day ... its a separate team of people but full backed up by the Waves team...
[2017-03-27 19:07] ID=8245 favdesu: it costs $20 to setup an asset on the bitshares exchange
[2017-03-27 19:07] ID=8246 TheSatMan: @Rassah the 1.000.000 question: what is your ETA - about any news about MyCelium and MT?
[2017-03-27 19:08] ID=8247 RE_ID=8245 Valen_tin: We could probably help you to have your token setup on Bitshares, it should not take much time.
[2017-03-27 19:10] ID=8248 Valen_tin: BitBetsGroup can team up with Mycelium if needed.
[2017-03-27 20:21] ID=8249 bigdaddyX: MT will be worth the Same as MASS tokens in a few months.
[2017-03-27 20:39] ID=8250 RE_ID=8249 Valen_tin: It's up to you guys to prevent this from happening
[2017-03-27 20:51] ID=8251 bigdaddyX: No it won't. It's up to Kuzmin.
[2017-03-27 20:52] ID=8252 Valen_tin: I don't think you should count on Kuzmin
[2017-03-28 06:12] ID=8253 😸inaboat: But he is the one calling the shots right?
[2017-03-28 06:12] ID=8254 😸inaboat: Directing mycelium's project and all.
[2017-03-28 06:13] ID=8255 favdesu: Looks like he's MIA
[2017-03-28 06:16] ID=8256 Rassah: Mycelium has a few projects.
[2017-03-28 06:17] ID=8257 Rassah: Some are directed by others working for him >.>
[2017-03-28 11:49] ID=8258 kylin: None
[2017-03-28 11:51] ID=8259 kylin: hi😊
[2017-03-28 12:02] ID=8260 RE_ID=8259 cvennekel: Welcome, kylin
[2017-03-28 12:03] ID=8261 kylin: I am very interested in the mycelium project\nI would like to know some of the specific details of the mycelium project
[2017-03-28 12:28] ID=8262 Transisto: Rassah:\nIf this becomes a problem, we can have users redeem Colu MT for other system MT, of course. I do wish I knew why Bittrex isn't adding us though
[2017-03-28 12:29] ID=8263 Transisto: What volume would it have anyway? Would just be an easy way for mycelium to buy back it's liability at at fraction of the price.
[2017-03-28 12:31] ID=8264 Transisto: Liability I don't think they know they have.
[2017-03-28 12:40] ID=8265 kylin: Twitter and github has not been updated for a long time
[2017-03-28 13:14] ID=8266 RE_ID=8265 cvennekel: there is a non-public repo on which is being worked on, it is currently being prepared to be moved into the public repo, so activity on github is coming soon
[2017-03-28 14:32] ID=8267 Transisto: Check out @SamouraiWallet's Tweet: https://twitter.com/SamouraiWallet/status/846615177936228352?s=09
[2017-03-28 14:32] ID=8268 Transisto: Please don't censor me for pointing out progress from unfunded competition.
[2017-03-28 14:45] ID=8269 Rassah: We just pushed CPFP to our testnet wallet
[2017-03-28 14:48] ID=8270 Rassah: Next release will have CPFP, improved fee calculation and transaction optimization which should lower fees a bit, more info about your transaction on the send screen with number of inputs and fee per byte, and a bunch of changes under the hood.
[2017-03-28 15:40] ID=8271 TheSatMan: What about MyCelium? No news at all?
[2017-03-28 16:03] ID=8273 RE_ID=8271 Rassah: I just posted what we have coming out just above your message
[2017-03-28 16:05] ID=8274 TheSatMan: So the product behind MT is making progress? 😊
[2017-03-28 16:18] ID=8275 Rassah: Yes
[2017-03-28 16:18] ID=8276 Rassah: Slow, but still yes
[2017-03-28 16:34] ID=8277 TheSatMan: 😃🥂👌🏼
[2017-03-28 18:02] ID=8278 Neo Cortex: None
[2017-03-28 18:20] ID=8279 Neo Cortex: Hi all! I want to sell a couple of MTs. Are there any willing to buy it and which price?
[2017-03-28 18:40] ID=8280 GB: If you find one let me know
[2017-03-29 02:26] ID=8281 RE_ID=8270 ShortFatUglyDumb: Very cool.
[2017-03-29 08:10] ID=8282 teamnearandl: How much is the mycelium wallet making a month right now from fees?
[2017-03-29 08:11] ID=8283 RE_ID=8282 ZaCkRrr: How many days do you know bitcoin ? Fee is for miners pleb
[2017-03-29 08:12] ID=8284 teamnearandl: Isn't the mycelium wallet taking a small fee per transaction to the wallet owners, ie us.
[2017-03-29 08:12] ID=8285 Rassah: No we're not
[2017-03-29 08:13] ID=8286 teamnearandl: Start taking a small fee like 0.0001%
[2017-03-29 08:13] ID=8287 Rassah: We're only making money on third party services.
[2017-03-29 08:13] ID=8288 teamnearandl: third party services such as?
[2017-03-29 08:14] ID=8289 RE_ID=8286 Rassah: We can't. That would create a ton of tiny inputs that will cost more in transaction fees to spend then they're actually worth
[2017-03-29 08:14] ID=8290 RE_ID=8288 Rassah: Coinapult, Cashila, Glidera, Mycelium Marketplace, and buying with credit card
[2017-03-29 08:15] ID=8291 Rassah: So far we're earning about $2k to $3k a month, but we're just getting started
[2017-03-29 08:16] ID=8292 teamnearandl: If mycelium took a tiny fee per transaction that would value mycelium very highly.  How many monthly active users are sending atleast 1 transaction a month?
[2017-03-29 08:18] ID=8293 Rassah: It's just technically infeasible
[2017-03-29 08:19] ID=8294 teamnearandl: It's really not possible?
[2017-03-29 08:19] ID=8295 Rassah: If we took $0.01 fee per transaction, and each one of those $0.01 fees cost us $0.25 in mining fees to spend, it would cost us more to actually use that money
[2017-03-29 08:19] ID=8296 Rassah: Remember, transaction fees are about $0.25 per input. Not per transaction.
[2017-03-29 08:20] ID=8297 teamnearandl: You can't make a percentage above the mining fee?
[2017-03-29 08:20] ID=8298 teamnearandl: Also how many mau's sending 1 or more transactions a month?
[2017-03-29 08:21] ID=8299 Rassah: Not if the amount we end up charging is itself more than the mining fee
[2017-03-29 08:21] ID=8300 Rassah: We don't know how many
[2017-03-29 08:22] ID=8301 teamnearandl: It's probably way to early to take a fee but when the mycelium wallet is solidified as the no.1 global crypto wallet we are talking about a valuation in the billions.
[2017-03-29 08:22] ID=8302 teamnearandl: How many total downloads of the wallet ?
[2017-03-29 08:26] ID=8303 Rassah: But, let's say Bob and Jane both send a transaction. They both have mining fees of $0.25, and we also take $0.05 fees from both, so they spend $0.30 per transaction, and we end up with two $0.05 chunks for a total of $0.10.\nSince each of those chunks requires its own mining fee, it would cost us $0.25 per $0.05 chunk, or a total of $0.50 in mining fees to spend that $0.10.\n\nImagine if we had 3,000 transactions by users per month. We'd end up with 3000*0.05=$150. That $150 is comprised of 3000 separate inputs, each of which will require its own fee. So if we tried sending that $150 somewhere, we would have to spend 3000*0.25=$750 in just mining fees to send it
[2017-03-29 08:27] ID=8304 Rassah: Does that make sense?
[2017-03-29 08:27] ID=8305 teamnearandl: Makes sense but look beyond Bitcoin
[2017-03-29 08:28] ID=8306 RE_ID=8302 Rassah: So far probably close to 300,000
[2017-03-29 08:28] ID=8307 teamnearandl: Bitcoin is not the future
[2017-03-29 08:28] ID=8308 Rassah: 😕
[2017-03-29 08:29] ID=8309 teamnearandl: It's the altcoins that do something like ethereum which will matter more.
[2017-03-29 08:29] ID=8310 teamnearandl: We need to take ethereum wallet market share
[2017-03-29 08:30] ID=8311 teamnearandl: Great that it's 300k
[2017-03-29 08:31] ID=8312 teamnearandl: How many engineers are working on mycelium wallet functionality?
[2017-03-29 08:31] ID=8313 teamnearandl: Your being very transparent Rassah, thank you very much.
[2017-03-29 09:10] ID=8314 RE_ID=8307 Ivandf78: 🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄
[2017-03-29 09:10] ID=8315 RE_ID=8309 Ivandf78: 😳😳😳😳😳😳😳
[2017-03-29 09:11] ID=8316 RE_ID=8310 Ivandf78: You need
[2017-03-29 09:33] ID=8317 RE_ID=8309 cvennekel: https://bravenewcoin.com/news/ethereum-style-smart-contracts-are-coming-to-bitcoin-in-june/\n\n"We expect RSK to be multiple times more secure than other platforms because it has Bitcoin’s hashing power behind it, and it's fuel should cost 1/10th of that of Ethereum. RSK is subsidized by Bitcoin, plus its virtual machine is six times faster than Ethereum’s given Sergio Lerner's improvements."
[2017-03-29 09:50] ID=8318 RE_ID=8290 Gladpack: Will you change Cashila to Bitwala since Cashila is closed?
[2017-03-30 01:44] ID=8319 RE_ID=8313 ShortFatUglyDumb: Yes, that's a helpful benefit of this Telegram channel.
[2017-03-30 07:18] ID=8320 teamnearandl: It doesn't matter what anyone says Bitcoin a few months back was 85% of total crypto market cap, now it is 68%.  We need mycelium all crypto accessible.
[2017-03-30 08:33] ID=8321 ShortFatUglyDumb: More features can be nice (in anything), but many times that can come at the expense of a focus & robustness of core features.
[2017-03-30 10:34] ID=8322 TheSatMan: Regarding RSK - may be it will be ready in June ... but nothing will change unless there is consensus between all the nodes to upgrade - right? Like with seg. wit. or any thing else - or am i missing some thing?
[2017-03-30 10:59] ID=8323 RE_ID=8320 Ivandf78: 
[2017-03-30 13:37] ID=8324 RE_ID=8322 painlord2k: It matters only if a group large enough consent to the change.\nWhen 99% want change, I doubt they will wait for the last 1% of laggards.\nMore so if the 99% is about economic activity and not just the number of individuals willing a change.
[2017-03-30 13:46] ID=8325 RE_ID=8324 TheSatMan: Dont you say the same? Agree? The titel said "RSK Comming in June"... and that is why i say: May be RSK is READY to launched/get activated in june - but is will still require consensus and that most of all BTC nodes choose to update there software - right (like seg.wit. Ect)
[2017-03-30 14:15] ID=8326 painlord2k: I hope RSK talks to the people of Unlimited & Classic.\nI know they would listen and support RSK in the full extent of their abilities.\nIf there is a HF for large blocks they would have no problem to support a solution to the malleability ASAP.\nJust not SegWit as it is proposed today (Soft Fork, discount for the witness and so on).\nI believe FlexTrans could be ready to be deployed (with the fix for malleability) in a couple of months from today.
[2017-03-30 17:47] ID=8334 thorbjorn: This channel is for discussion of Mycelium Wallet, not for attempts at spreading hatred.
[2017-03-30 22:07] ID=8335 RE_ID=8334 GB: Thank you!
[2017-03-31 20:36] ID=8336 Strayt: So when are we getting coin mixing and coloured coins?
[2017-03-31 23:20] ID=8337 ktorn: Is there a way to create a new master seed on Android? If I move all the BTC to another wallet, uninstall and re-install Mycelium on Android, would that create a new master seed?
[2017-03-31 23:38] ID=8338 Rassah: Yes it will
[2017-03-31 23:38] ID=8339 Rassah: You can also just wipe add data from the android app settings
[2017-03-31 23:42] ID=8340 ktorn: alright, thanks
[2017-04-01 10:09] ID=8341 ShortFatUglyDumb: I just upd8d 2 the latest Mycelium wallet. I'm lovin' some of these new perks/tweaks, such as the fee details.
[2017-04-01 13:04] ID=8342 thorbjorn: And now there are commas in the numbers separating the thousands.
[2017-04-01 14:00] ID=8343 RE_ID=8342 cvennekel: Correct, that was a user request, instead of using a space\nNo of unspent outputs as well and Bump Fee in transactions tab
[2017-04-01 17:12] ID=8344 Gladpack: Space is the standard thousand separator in many countries including Sweden
[2017-04-02 07:45] ID=8345 ktorn: an idea would be to use the appropriate separator according to the user's locale
[2017-04-02 10:41] ID=8346 RE_ID=8345 ShortFatUglyDumb: Maybe it does? I haven't tested.
[2017-04-02 12:41] ID=8347 Gladpack: No, it doesn't. I see comma instead of space
[2017-04-02 14:07] ID=8348 alloffmyhate: None
[2017-04-02 21:32] ID=8349 RE_ID=8347 ShortFatUglyDumb: And what fiat currency do u have it set for?
[2017-04-02 21:49] ID=8350 Gladpack: SEK
[2017-04-03 02:46] ID=8351 Transisto: Weird that the last 25 block are half full yet Mycelium suggest 110 sat/bytes for low priority.
[2017-04-03 02:47] ID=8352 Rassah: Mem pool may be full
[2017-04-03 02:49] ID=8353 Transisto: wondering if that transaction would ever pass... https://live.blockcypher.com/btc/tx/379b03441784a2fd2ec6a5930fa5d84bebd871ea6ac4c1967687143d98333e28/
[2017-04-03 02:51] ID=8354 Transisto: That's what the low fee of the trezor UI suggested, inversely broken I would think.
[2017-04-03 02:52] ID=8355 Rassah: Can you CPFP it?
[2017-04-03 02:53] ID=8356 Transisto: maybe Mycelium could allow for lower than low fee now that it can CPFP
[2017-04-03 02:57] ID=8357 Transisto: look llike Mycelium servers aren't even relaying it, it's like it never happened in mycelium.
[2017-04-03 03:07] ID=8358 Rassah: We'll check it. In the meantime, try closing out of and restarting your app. It may connect to one of the other servers
[2017-04-03 03:07] ID=8359 Rassah: Though if... Hm...
[2017-04-03 03:08] ID=8360 Rassah: If it's a very low fee, Core may treat it as spam and not even accept it. And our nodes run core
[2017-04-03 03:29] ID=8361 Transisto: My TX confirmed in the next block with a fee of 1/2994 sat per byte. Saved 6$ by not using mycelium ;)
[2017-04-03 03:37] ID=8362 Rassah: Wow, crazy
[2017-04-03 06:54] ID=8363 KJ: Any updates from Kuzmin or what's going on with Mycelium ?
[2017-04-03 06:54] ID=8364 KJ: I just read the chat back from Feb.. looking grim for MT holders
[2017-04-03 06:55] ID=8365 KJ: My gut is the project is wiped and the money is long gone
[2017-04-03 06:55] ID=8366 KJ: Really a shame, I use Mycelium every day for my work, but the amount I "donated" was far too much
[2017-04-03 09:12] ID=8367 ???: Anyone know if jaxx has a telegram? My dash wallet is gone after updating
[2017-04-03 17:50] ID=8368 RE_ID=8360 painlord2k: Maybe some diversification could be useful. (just thinking)
[2017-04-03 18:28] ID=8369 Rassah: The invested money is gone, yes. We are back to being self funded again until we get another investment. But our revenues have been slowly growing
[2017-04-03 18:52] ID=8370 RE_ID=8369 AROMACOMPUTERS: Sad
[2017-04-03 18:52] ID=8371 AROMACOMPUTERS: Any details you can share?
[2017-04-03 18:56] ID=8372 RE_ID=8369 painlord2k: Good about the growing revenues.
[2017-04-03 18:58] ID=8373 ???: $2 million gone in less than a year. Wow. When is the next wave of crowdfunding?
[2017-04-03 18:58] ID=8374 RE_ID=8371 Rassah: Just company expenses, salaries, company manager salaries (not mine)
[2017-04-03 18:58] ID=8375 Rassah: I was surprised and upset it was gone too :(
[2017-04-03 18:58] ID=8376 AROMACOMPUTERS: Will a new mycelium company be formed without the current ceo?
[2017-04-03 19:01] ID=8377 Rassah: No, why?
[2017-04-03 19:02] ID=8378 AROMACOMPUTERS: Why not
[2017-04-03 19:02] ID=8379 GuerraMoneta: I'm not involved in any way or bought ico but please do reform and kick out whoever has spent all the money and given this a bad wrap
[2017-04-03 19:03] ID=8380 AROMACOMPUTERS: I nominate Rassah as ceo
[2017-04-03 19:03] ID=8381 GuerraMoneta: I have stopped using mycelium for every day use because of this situation
[2017-04-03 19:05] ID=8382 Rassah: There's nothing wrong with the wallet. And the CEO still pays the devs out of his own pocket.
[2017-04-03 19:05] ID=8383 Rassah: I don't have the money to do that
[2017-04-03 19:06] ID=8384 AROMACOMPUTERS: It cant be coming out of his pocket, if all the money is gone.  Thats not how accounting works.
[2017-04-03 19:06] ID=8385 painlord2k: People don't understand business is hard, not easy.\nAnd good developers cost a lot.
[2017-04-03 19:06] ID=8386 ???: I have to agree. It's pretty clear the CEO has siphoned the crowdfunding $ off for use elsewhere.
[2017-04-03 19:06] ID=8387 Rassah: The money we raised is gone. We existed for about 8 years before we raised money, with him paying for everything, and are like that now again
[2017-04-03 19:07] ID=8388 painlord2k: The current problems about transactions and fee and uncertain don't help to grow revenues.
[2017-04-03 19:09] ID=8389 painlord2k: Had we scaled transactions 10x I bet Mycelium would be generating a positive cashflow.
[2017-04-03 19:20] ID=8390 miketwenty1: None
[2017-04-03 19:29] ID=8391 nola1978: None
[2017-04-03 19:39] ID=8392 RE_ID=8386 AROMACOMPUTERS: I think the word youre looking for is "Embezzlement"
[2017-04-03 19:46] ID=8393 ???: Oh well. It was not my first bad investment, and likely won't be my last. "Live and don't learn", that's my motto.
[2017-04-03 19:49] ID=8394 Rassah: Company is still around, and CEO is hard to reach cause he's constantly trying to get business partnerships and investments
[2017-04-03 19:50] ID=8395 ???: That's what I tell my employees when I'm out day-drinking with my friends.
[2017-04-03 19:52] ID=8396 ???: But I have to admit: all griping aside, Mycelium is a great product, I have no complaints.
[2017-04-03 20:25] ID=8397 Tion1943: None
[2017-04-03 20:41] ID=8398 calmpete: None
[2017-04-04 03:36] ID=8399 DoubleYouSee23: Oh god I found this piece of gold today, and laughed my ass off.
[2017-04-04 04:28] ID=8400 Rassah: I study Iaido and Kendo, and am mastering the blockchain 😭
[2017-04-04 04:34] ID=8401 DoubleYouSee23: ...and people have the audacity to come to you for help. So what you're saying is this is what you actually look like?
[2017-04-04 04:42] ID=8402 Rassah: ... no. I look (I hope) better
[2017-04-04 04:42] ID=8403 Rassah: I wear skinny jeans and a t-shirt for one. Not that baggy stuff
[2017-04-04 04:43] ID=8404 sabotagebeats: I have audacity I downloaded it for my computer :)
[2017-04-04 04:43] ID=8405 sabotagebeats: Great for editing wav files
[2017-04-04 04:45] ID=8406 Rassah: It is!
[2017-04-04 04:45] ID=8407 DoubleYouSee23: 
[2017-04-04 04:47] ID=8408 RE_ID=8403 DoubleYouSee23: 
[2017-04-04 04:47] ID=8409 DoubleYouSee23: I hope your form is better than his too.
[2017-04-04 05:29] ID=8410 BB_Martino: 
[2017-04-04 05:37] ID=8411 DoubleYouSee23: oh God I did that...
[2017-04-04 08:30] ID=8412 Renocoin: Oh my...investment for mycelium fail? is it right?
[2017-04-04 08:38] ID=8413 thorbjorn: Apparently they get by, and I guess the tokens will still mean something when they manage to make a profit.
[2017-04-04 09:24] ID=8414 alloffmyhate: 🙊
[2017-04-04 14:48] ID=8415 llewdis: I hope so. Any update on new wallet release?
[2017-04-07 00:46] ID=8416 Waves.86: Man this sucks
[2017-04-07 00:47] ID=8417 Waves.86: I can't even sell this crap anywhere
[2017-04-07 00:47] ID=8418 Waves.86: If some want to buy it msg me
[2017-04-07 00:47] ID=8419 Waves.86: I'm trying to get rid of it, it's worthless
[2017-04-07 00:53] ID=8420 Tion1943: SFYL
[2017-04-07 00:59] ID=8421 Waves.86: Wtf does that mean
[2017-04-07 01:07] ID=8422 Tion1943: Sorry for your loss
[2017-04-07 01:07] ID=8423 Tion1943: Mycelium scamed you
[2017-04-07 01:08] ID=8424 Waves.86: Yeah sucks man
[2017-04-07 01:08] ID=8425 Waves.86: Never going to see that money
[2017-04-07 01:09] ID=8426 Tion1943: :(
[2017-04-07 01:09] ID=8427 Waves.86: Haha they yolo'd the money too quick
[2017-04-07 01:10] ID=8428 Waves.86: Selling my 1 mt for $2uad
[2017-04-07 01:10] ID=8429 Waves.86: Usd
[2017-04-07 01:13] ID=8430 Waves.86: I believed you rasah
[2017-04-07 01:14] ID=8431 Waves.86: You liar
[2017-04-07 01:15] ID=8432 Rassah: I'm still around. We're still working. We just pushed an update last week.
[2017-04-07 01:15] ID=8433 Rassah: But, I'm not happy with how things are going either, and I'm sorry for that.
[2017-04-07 01:15] ID=8434 Tion1943: Rassah, everyone likes you.
[2017-04-07 01:15] ID=8435 Waves.86: Yeah man wtf
[2017-04-07 01:15] ID=8436 Tion1943: You were used
[2017-04-07 01:15] ID=8437 RE_ID=8434 Rassah: Commies don't
[2017-04-07 01:15] ID=8438 Waves.86: People trusted you man
[2017-04-07 01:16] ID=8439 Waves.86: Wtf dude it's ppl money not play money
[2017-04-07 01:17] ID=8440 Rassah: I'm still here because I still think we can get this project done. We're having a conference call with AK tomorrow morning where the devs and I will be asking some questions. Hopefully they'll be answered to our satisfaction, as in hopefully I wasn't used.
[2017-04-07 01:17] ID=8441 Rassah: But as of right now, development is still going
[2017-04-07 01:17] ID=8442 Rassah: We just don't have as many devs as I had hoped...
[2017-04-07 01:18] ID=8443 Waves.86: Man I think they just blew the money on hookers and blow
[2017-04-07 01:18] ID=8444 RE_ID=8442 Tion1943: Because the CEO that used you, burned the croud sale money?
[2017-04-07 01:18] ID=8445 Waves.86: Yeah man it's human nature
[2017-04-07 01:19] ID=8446 RE_ID=8444 Rassah: I don't think so
[2017-04-07 01:19] ID=8447 Waves.86: I don't blame they guy, he probably saw that money and said fuck it
[2017-04-07 01:19] ID=8448 Waves.86: Yolo
[2017-04-07 01:19] ID=8449 RE_ID=8446 Tion1943: I hope you are right. The crowd sale was done on your reputation.
[2017-04-07 01:19] ID=8450 Rassah: He gave a brief overview of where the money went, and I hope to get more details tomorrow
[2017-04-07 01:21] ID=8451 Rassah: He spent millions of his own money on Mycelium before the ICO. Then the ICO money got spent, and now he's back to paying for Mycelium out of his own pocket again. So, we're basically back to where we were a year ago before the ICO. Plus all the extra dev work.
[2017-04-07 01:21] ID=8452 RE_ID=8449 Rassah: It was. And I'll be very not happy if I was lied to. Right now I just don't know. I am still thinking positive though.
[2017-04-07 01:23] ID=8453 Tion1943: I really like you, but you ran cover for 'him', and I dont know how much of the community knows who is behind the funds.
[2017-04-07 01:25] ID=8454 Rassah: The biggest problem right now is that our CEO is extremely difficult to reach.
[2017-04-07 01:26] ID=8455 Tion1943: Do you think there is a reason for that?
[2017-04-07 01:27] ID=8456 Tion1943: I'm difficult to reach for people I dont want to talk to
[2017-04-07 01:27] ID=8457 RE_ID=8455 Rassah: Yeah. He's too busy going around all over the place meeting people and trying to get investors and business partners, and isn't even aware that there are any problems with the wallet or ICO
[2017-04-07 01:28] ID=8458 Rassah: He just let's it run on its own under myself and our lead dev. Unfortunately we still need him for higher level decisions, like hiring.
[2017-04-07 01:29] ID=8459 RE_ID=8457 Rassah: I mean, he wasn't aware until recently. I had to send him a bunch of messages through various methods to get his attention about the MT, SwishCoin, and Mass stuff.
[2017-04-07 01:31] ID=8460 RE_ID=8457 Tion1943: You realize how crazy it to think the Mycelium CEO is too bussy for Rassah?
[2017-04-07 01:34] ID=8461 Rassah: For everyone actually. He basically leaves all the business to others while he does "business."\nBut yes, I would think he would at least check on messages from his top people. His mail inbox and Telegram are flooded though apparently. He's a popular guy?
[2017-04-07 01:40] ID=8462 Waves.86: Haha wtf so you pay yourself
[2017-04-07 01:41] ID=8463 Waves.86: 100k+
[2017-04-07 01:41] ID=8464 Waves.86: And don't develop shot
[2017-04-07 01:44] ID=8465 Rassah: What?
[2017-04-07 02:29] ID=8466 BB_Martino: The biggest problem right now is that our CEO is extremely difficult to reach.
[2017-04-07 02:29] ID=8467 BB_Martino: Reminds me of the Big Vern situation...
[2017-04-07 02:29] ID=8468 Rassah: Who?
[2017-04-07 02:30] ID=8469 BB_Martino: Cryptsy CEO Paul Vernon
[2017-04-07 02:31] ID=8470 BB_Martino: Of course this is just from a very distant observation and based on how things are looking. I have no direct insight so I may be way off base, I'm just saying it's a bit reminiscent of that.
[2017-04-07 02:31] ID=8471 Rassah: Ah. Well, the difference is our guy is still paying salaries and company expenses, so if he stole the money, he's just using it to pay for things it was intended for :/
[2017-04-07 02:33] ID=8472 BB_Martino: That's a good thing and probably why you're optimistic and hopefully why optimism is in order here. But you also mentioned that he spent the ICO money and now has to pay from his own pocket and is hard to reach. Most people when they hear this they think hookers & blow.
[2017-04-07 02:35] ID=8473 BB_Martino: Him paying in the beginning and still paying now puts weight on the opposite side of course. As I said in the beginning, I don't hold high hopes for anyone making a return on their tokens because essentially nothing concrete was promised and certainly nothing is enforceable, what I care about is MyCelium the wallet and it improving because I use it a lot.
[2017-04-07 02:35] ID=8474 Rassah: Oh, I'm not happy. None of us are.
[2017-04-07 02:36] ID=8475 Rassah: But we'll keep working on it
[2017-04-07 02:38] ID=8476 BB_Martino: You've been very frank and open to discussions about this so if push comes to shove and dev is put to risk because they no longer pay your salaries, I'll be happy to chip in to some fund down the line, not to make money but to have a proper Android wallet that doesn't require an email address + password registration just to use it, without the ability to import HD wallets or export private keys etc.... Not to mention Trezor support.
[2017-04-07 02:40] ID=8477 BB_Martino: ps. do you have or would you consider a warrant canary? I know you said to use TOR, but when someone has publicly known addresses in their wallet, simply observing a client fetching info for those different accounts can easily reveal their identity to *all* the accounts they have.
[2017-04-07 02:42] ID=8478 BB_Martino: The main reason I dislike Airbitz is because it's so withdrawn from how bitcoin works in reality (see above). MyCelium handles it so much better. Unfortunately I see kind of the opposite on the privacy front.
[2017-04-07 02:44] ID=8479 Rassah: Hopefully you'll be able to point your wallet to your own node of choice soon enough. We haven't received any data requests for a while now
[2017-04-07 02:44] ID=8480 Rassah: Not since that last year when some government investigators asked for our data and we offered to send them a copy of the blockchain file
[2017-04-07 02:46] ID=8481 BB_Martino: Yeah you mentioned that 👏👍 On my end I'm seeing gov breakdown more and more aggressive. Before when a police officer came to me talking about blockchain analysis and assuming that tx1->tx2 etc meant a connection when it was in fact a shared wallet I set them straight. But it's heading in a direction where by law they will expect full remote access to see which address/txid is associated with whom. It'll get worse before it gets better. It's already creepy and I hope you guys take this seriously.
[2017-04-07 02:47] ID=8482 Rassah: That's why we want to go SPV
[2017-04-07 02:47] ID=8483 BB_Martino: Great to hear! Cheers.
[2017-04-07 02:48] ID=8484 Rassah: Well... Somewhat. There are risks with SPV too. You don't know which servers you're connecting to. So, SPV with the option to choose your node IP
[2017-04-07 02:49] ID=8485 BB_Martino: SPV queries a bunch of different addresses and like you said one could set up their own node, so it's much better than a clear & cut case of one IP address querying only addresses relevant to it, with one central entity.
[2017-04-07 02:50] ID=8486 Rassah: Our wallet only queries the last address now, so it's not as bad
[2017-04-07 02:50] ID=8487 Rassah: But there's still a risk, yes.
[2017-04-07 02:50] ID=8488 BB_Martino: is that a recent update?
[2017-04-07 02:52] ID=8489 BB_Martino: Regardless... I'm updating now. Been some time. Thanks for the heads up.
[2017-04-07 02:52] ID=8490 RE_ID=8488 Rassah: No, probably a year old
[2017-04-07 02:52] ID=8491 BB_Martino: Oh ok.
[2017-04-07 02:53] ID=8492 Rassah: After we switched to HD wallets, it would take a long time for power users to update their balance when the wallet had to check all their addresses (I have over a thousand in mine). So we had to optimize it to check only the last one or last few
[2017-04-07 04:46] ID=8493 RE_ID=8437 AROMACOMPUTERS: 
[2017-04-07 05:03] ID=8494 RE_ID=8477 DoubleYouSee23: Use multiple wallets, and then archive them all. only activate one wallet at a time using tor or a vpn.
[2017-04-07 05:04] ID=8495 DoubleYouSee23: I am dumb. Ignore that, that's not what you were saying
[2017-04-07 05:37] ID=8496 BB_Martino: Not really, what you say makes sense if you replace 'wallet' with 'account' but it would still be a lot of hassle and potential problems and leaks. Custom node selection and SPV or something-like-SPV will be a good improvement.
[2017-04-07 12:39] ID=8497 Strayt: Who's idea was it to execute the token release? Has their vision been met and will it come near to meeting the expectations of the token holders, who own 5% of what?
[2017-04-07 12:41] ID=8498 RE_ID=8497 Rassah: I believe the CEO's (I found out two weeks before start of sale), the vision is still under development and progressing slowly, and token holders own 5% stake in the company that owns the wallet
[2017-04-07 16:42] ID=8499 Tion1943: Only the new wallet right?
[2017-04-07 17:25] ID=8500 Rassah: The wallet company
[2017-04-07 17:25] ID=8501 Rassah: Not the program
[2017-04-07 17:26] ID=8502 Rassah: Wallet was split off into it's own subsidiary
[2017-04-07 18:29] ID=8503 Palatine: lol
[2017-04-07 18:38] ID=8504 RE_ID=8502 painlord2k: Good.\nThis is how good management is done.\nEvery piece MUST be on the market and survive for its merits.\nAnd being on the market allow to find the problems faster and fix them.
[2017-04-07 20:32] ID=8505 nikelong: None
[2017-04-08 04:49] ID=8506 Strayt: And all the profits generated by the wallet go into its upkeep, not into increasing the value of the company and in turn the value of the mt. This is on top of the crowd sale and ceo funding.\n\nIt would be great if someone mapped out the current economic plan for the wallet, so token holders can assess their level of financial risk.
[2017-04-08 23:54] ID=8507 Bloobum: @Rassah Did you manage to speak with AK? Wondering if he said anything about Mass project?
[2017-04-08 23:59] ID=8508 Rassah: I wasn't around for the call (he had it with a few other of our devs at 4am), and he didn't mention it
[2017-04-09 00:44] ID=8509 RE_ID=8508 Tion1943: You think it is not a coincedence that you were left out of the phone call?
[2017-04-09 01:10] ID=8510 Rassah: I think it was a coincidence
[2017-04-09 07:36] ID=8511 Strayt: Can i send my mt to the \n1BitcoinEaterAddressDontSendf59kuE
[2017-04-09 07:39] ID=8512 BB_Martino: nom-nom
[2017-04-09 07:45] ID=8513 Tion1943: I like to send mine to 1MyceliumTualdUpRealBad0sd9sYY3xUd
[2017-04-09 07:53] ID=8514 favdesu: Anyone buying MT?
[2017-04-09 08:00] ID=8515 Tion1943: I'll call up Tristan at Poloniex, he always adds my shit coins
[2017-04-09 08:00] ID=8516 Tion1943: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UIEvaqJ6DWs
[2017-04-09 16:42] ID=8517 RE_ID=8511 DoubleYouSee23: This whole situation looks bad now, I can't deny that, but burning your MT might turn out to be a real bad idea
[2017-04-09 16:43] ID=8518 DoubleYouSee23: Not bad for me though, if you want to increase the value for everyone else, please feel free to tey
[2017-04-09 16:43] ID=8519 DoubleYouSee23: Try
[2017-04-09 20:45] ID=8520 Transisto: https://twitter.com/SamouraiWallet/status/851005717070917633
[2017-04-09 21:03] ID=8521 wksantiago: Does mycelium support BIP148?
[2017-04-09 21:04] ID=8522 RE_ID=8521 Rassah: No comment yet
[2017-04-09 21:06] ID=8523 wksantiago: 👍
[2017-04-09 21:51] ID=8524 Strayt: Mt currently doesn't have a value and there is currently no plan to give them one.
[2017-04-09 21:59] ID=8525 Rassah: No plan?
[2017-04-09 23:42] ID=8527 Transisto: https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/64cxdi/samourai_wallet_we_support_encourage_bitcoin/dg19erf/
[2017-04-09 23:43] ID=8528 Transisto: What was the last update about "Localisation" does that mean that canadians don't need to find the settings to switch currency ?
[2017-04-10 00:26] ID=8529 Dave: None
[2017-04-10 02:25] ID=8530 DoubleYouSee23: Please correct me if I am mistaken: miners used to be nodes. Miners stopped being nodes to speed up mining. Users became nodes to propagate transactions to miners  faster. If miners do not like uasf, all they have to do is become nodes again, and run competing software.
[2017-04-10 02:53] ID=8531 Rassah: They can just run their own nodes. They probably do already. The software doing the mining is different
[2017-04-10 02:54] ID=8532 Rassah: At least the ones who are solo mining... Pools run nodes for those who are mining on pools
[2017-04-10 02:54] ID=8533 Rassah: There are also way more user nodes than miner owned nodes
[2017-04-10 03:43] ID=8534 DoubleYouSee23: in the beginning weren't nodes and miners the same thing? Or am I mistaken in that?
[2017-04-10 05:03] ID=8535 RE_ID=8534 ShortFatUglyDumb: Yes, u mined on ur home PC within the same Bitcoin client.
[2017-04-10 08:44] ID=8536 RE_ID=8534 cvennekel: you have mining nodes that mined and ones that did not, relay nodes, they send & receive blocks as well as transactions, check them and send them along to their connected peers. So you had both, still do
[2017-04-10 12:48] ID=8537 ImadL: None
[2017-04-10 12:48] ID=8538 ImadL: Hi there,
[2017-04-10 12:48] ID=8539 ImadL: People invested money, however, It looks like GitHub repository is dead
[2017-04-10 12:48] ID=8540 ImadL: and Twitter is also dead and no info are there
[2017-04-10 12:49] ID=8541 ImadL: So, is there is any chance to know If the developement of the new wallet is active or not?
[2017-04-10 14:07] ID=8542 RE_ID=8541 Rassah: We just released an update last week
[2017-04-10 14:27] ID=8543 RE_ID=8516 hkrdrm: 👍👍
[2017-04-10 14:29] ID=8544 RE_ID=8541 cvennekel: It is not the main repo being worked on, we are changing that
[2017-04-10 14:30] ID=8545 RE_ID=8541 cvennekel: Twitter is done by ceo, who is quiet, yes.\nDevs are still there and available though
[2017-04-10 14:45] ID=8546 ImadL: I appreciate your answers. Is there is any ETA for the new version? It's being some time now
[2017-04-10 19:09] ID=8548 RE_ID=8546 Rassah: The current version is becoming the new version. We're not going to make a whole separate one, just keep updating the current one
[2017-04-10 19:09] ID=8549 RE_ID=8547 Rassah: No iOS updates, sorry
[2017-04-11 00:39] ID=8550 llewdis: My understanding was that the crowdfunding was to begin the wallet development from scratch to make it more secure and modular. Are you saying Rassah that development is on current version wallet code?  No new code base for future wallet release?
[2017-04-11 05:03] ID=8551 RE_ID=8550 Rassah: We initially planned to develop a new wallet from scratch, because we wanted to use a platform that would allow us do develop for Android and iOS simultaneity. Unfortunately we found that iOS was extremely insecure with regards to using third party plugin code within the same app code, so we had to scrap that idea. And now since we are developing two apps separately, it's faster and easier to take the current code and update it instead of writing everything from scratch.
[2017-04-11 14:02] ID=8552 ImadL: @Rassah I really don't mean to accuse anyone here but I don't get it, you said that you guys are not working from scratch but working on the current source code, If that's the case, then why @cvennekel above said that you guys are working on another repository on GitHub
[2017-04-11 14:03] ID=8553 ImadL: and I do see modifications on the current source code but why no releases since 2015: https://github.com/mycelium-com/wallet/releases
[2017-04-11 14:06] ID=8554 Rassah: These are just compiled files. We haven't done those on GitHub in a while, and have just been posting to Google Play directly. Check the actual code https://github.com/mycelium-com/wallet?files=1 The updates are fairly frequent
[2017-04-11 14:06] ID=8555 RE_ID=8552 Rassah: We also use a private repository that we use for "in-house" development and testing before we publish it to our public one.
[2017-04-11 14:11] ID=8556 ImadL: I see
[2017-04-11 14:11] ID=8557 ImadL: @Rassah and eventually, should we expect the design to look like the one in that Vimeo video on the site?
[2017-04-11 14:11] ID=8558 ImadL: or we are going to keep the black theme and interface
[2017-04-11 14:18] ID=8559 ImadL: I'm talking about this: https://vimeo.com/163878728
[2017-04-11 14:20] ID=8560 RE_ID=8557 Rassah: Yes. We have a guy working full time making that UI. (Personally I think it's a bit overly complicated and cluttered, but we can improve it after we get the initial test version working)
[2017-04-11 14:20] ID=8561 ImadL: Alright!
[2017-04-11 14:21] ID=8562 ImadL: well thanks for the updates :) and good luck on the developement
[2017-04-11 14:21] ID=8563 ImadL: I really encourage you (the developers) contacting the CEO though, he may want to give some updates on Twitter from time to time.
[2017-04-11 14:27] ID=8564 Rassah: Oh, uh, I control Twitter
[2017-04-11 14:27] ID=8565 ImadL: You are the CEO ? 😨
[2017-04-11 14:27] ID=8566 Rassah: I just haven't heard much from the CEO so don't have much to say besides what I'm saying here
[2017-04-11 14:28] ID=8567 ImadL: cause the guy above said that only CEO control it 😨
[2017-04-11 14:28] ID=8568 Rassah: I'm the Community Manager. As well as the product manager
[2017-04-11 14:28] ID=8569 ImadL: then posting some updates would really make people feel more secure. It's just a thought really
[2017-04-11 14:29] ID=8570 Rassah: I know. But I'm not going to bother with many updates until I hear something back from him
[2017-04-11 14:30] ID=8571 ImadL: Fair enough.
[2017-04-11 16:35] ID=8572 ImadL: @Rassah What is Mycelium standpoint from UASF? http://www.uasf.co/
[2017-04-11 16:38] ID=8573 Tion1943: Twitter is done by ceo, who is quiet, yes.\nDevs are still there and available though
[2017-04-11 16:38] ID=8574 Tion1943: ^wrong?
[2017-04-11 16:41] ID=8575 RE_ID=8563 Tion1943: The story I always get is that the CEO does not have time to talk to devs
[2017-04-11 16:42] ID=8576 ImadL: What is he busy with exactly? 😨
[2017-04-11 16:43] ID=8577 Tion1943: You realize how crazy it to think the Mycelium CEO is too bussy for Rassah?
[2017-04-11 16:43] ID=8578 Tion1943: For everyone actually. He basically leaves all the business to others while he does "business."\nBut yes, I would think he would at least check on messages from his top people. His mail inbox and Telegram are flooded though apparently. He's a popular guy?
[2017-04-11 16:45] ID=8579 ImadL: 😨
[2017-04-11 17:33] ID=8580 sprks: Alexander Kuzmin is this guy the CEO ?
[2017-04-11 17:36] ID=8581 RE_ID=8580 DoubleYouSee23: Yea
[2017-04-11 17:45] ID=8582 RE_ID=8572 Giszmo: we have an eye on it. I'm in charge of our full nodes now and I'm hesitant to change a thing without exploring user preference first. But if not shit storm is to be expected I lean towards UASF.
[2017-04-11 18:54] ID=8583 ???: I can no longer log into the crowdsale website
[2017-04-11 18:55] ID=8584 ???: I noticed that the url has changed to node9.mycellium.com?
[2017-04-11 18:56] ID=8585 ???: forgot my password doesn't work (or hasn't sent one in the past 20 minutes)
[2017-04-11 19:33] ID=8586 ???: I never picked up my colored coins because I was waiting for Mycelium support within wallet, getting antsy here : (
[2017-04-11 19:45] ID=8587 thorbjorn: Was it even possible to not pick them up? :S
[2017-04-11 20:31] ID=8588 ???: yes
[2017-04-11 20:32] ID=8589 ???: I have a pm from Rassah on bitcointalk saying I could leave them with Mycelium until their native support was ready, didn't want to trust Colu
[2017-04-11 21:03] ID=8590 RE_ID=8587 DoubleYouSee23: Unless my memory is faulty, then yes.
[2017-04-11 21:09] ID=8591 Transisto: It's time Mycelium show support for USAF, while it can gain some good publicity from it. https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/
[2017-04-11 21:09] ID=8592 RE_ID=8572 Rassah: None yet. I agree with Leo, we're not going to do things for Bitcoin politics. If it's a good idea, then we'll support it. Right now we're still evaluating it.
[2017-04-11 21:09] ID=8593 RE_ID=8572 Rassah: I mean, we only run one or two nodes
[2017-04-11 21:10] ID=8594 RE_ID=8574 Rassah: Constantin didn't know I controlled it
[2017-04-11 21:11] ID=8595 RE_ID=8576 Rassah: High level stuff, like meeting with businesses, pitching Mycelium, and looking for funding
[2017-04-11 21:53] ID=8596 ???: @Rassah can you help please?
[2017-04-11 21:58] ID=8597 Rassah: Yeah, let me forward that to the guy who manages those
[2017-04-11 21:59] ID=8598 ???: thanks a lot, I appreciate it
[2017-04-11 21:59] ID=8599 ???: I wonder why the crowdsale dashboard stopped working
[2017-04-12 00:50] ID=8600 CrystaBall: None
[2017-04-12 00:50] ID=8601 CrystaBall: Hello all
[2017-04-12 00:57] ID=8602 Tion1943: Hellow A, how are you doing?
[2017-04-12 01:00] ID=8603 CrystaBall: Pretty good
[2017-04-12 01:04] ID=8604 CrystaBall: I've been trying to find any more info on the crowdsale I can see my tokens on colu, but I'd love to read any updates
[2017-04-12 01:05] ID=8605 Tion1943: What questions do you have?
[2017-04-12 01:18] ID=8606 CrystaBall: Any updates since the ico distribution... What's new with developments?
[2017-04-12 01:20] ID=8607 Rassah: Last one was http://news.wallet.mycelium.com
[2017-04-12 01:38] ID=8608 Tion1943: 
[2017-04-12 01:38] ID=8609 Tion1943: Sweet link Rassah
[2017-04-12 01:39] ID=8610 Rassah: Our SSL certificate expired
[2017-04-12 01:39] ID=8611 Tion1943: Thats a good sighn
[2017-04-12 01:39] ID=8612 Rassah: Or we're self certified
[2017-04-12 01:39] ID=8613 ???: Letsencrypt.org
[2017-04-12 01:39] ID=8614 Rassah: Probably the later
[2017-04-12 01:39] ID=8615 Rassah: It's fine. Just read the news
[2017-04-12 01:40] ID=8616 Tion1943: It's fine that your ssl cert expired?
[2017-04-12 01:41] ID=8617 Rassah: For the website, I guess. We aren't selling anything or asking for any info
[2017-04-12 01:42] ID=8618 Rassah: And like I said it may just be self certified. Chrome complains about those too
[2017-04-12 01:43] ID=8619 Tion1943: So only Chrome, and Firefox care?
[2017-04-12 01:43] ID=8620 Tion1943: 
[2017-04-12 01:47] ID=8621 Rassah: *complain. Not care
[2017-04-12 01:48] ID=8624 Rassah: Nobody cares
[2017-04-12 01:48] ID=8625 Tion1943: Rassah, everyone cares about you.
[2017-04-12 01:49] ID=8626 Tion1943: You have to stop protecting people.
[2017-04-12 01:49] ID=8627 Rassah: They shouldn't
[2017-04-12 01:49] ID=8628 Rassah: Cause I don't
[2017-04-12 01:49] ID=8629 Tion1943: Dont say that
[2017-04-12 01:49] ID=8630 Tion1943: You have a community that will likely side with you if the truth airs
[2017-04-12 01:49] ID=8631 Rassah: I hope so
[2017-04-12 01:50] ID=8632 Rassah: So far it's just typical Mycelium stuff. Same old, same old...
[2017-04-12 02:06] ID=8633 CrystaBall: Well... Looking forward to some updates so
[2017-04-12 02:06] ID=8634 CrystaBall: Soon
[2017-04-12 02:06] ID=8635 CrystaBall: What's the status with the token getting listed for trading on any exchanges?
[2017-04-12 02:09] ID=8636 ShawnLeary: @Rassah keep your chin up, but at the end of the day you have to do what's best for you
[2017-04-12 05:34] ID=8637 llewdis: FYI\n\nHello questioner,\n\nThe Ledger Blue / Nano S are supporting COLU (we support OP_RETURN management in transactions).\nOtherwise this is available only for advanced users (through our APIs) as there is no UI available for mainstream usage yet.\n\nBest regards, \n\n\n-- Eric Larchevêque, CEO\nMore about Ledger: Public roadmap - Online store - Blog\n  \n\nPlease take a second to rate my reply...\n\nIt was awesome It was OK It was bad\n\nMy email:\n\nOn the Ledger Blue page, the following support is listed:\n\nBLOCKCHAIN SUPPORT\n\nBitcoin (COLU, Counterparty support)\n\nDoes this in fact mean that I can use this as a COLU wallet? If so, I will be purchasing a Blue the minute I get your response. Please clarify this as my discussion with others seems to indicate that Ledger does not in fact support COLU (colored coins).
[2017-04-12 05:35] ID=8638 llewdis: I asked about this a couple of weeks ago and finally got a response.
[2017-04-12 06:07] ID=8639 ???: so I guess the cert expiring is the reason for the url change from crowdsale.mycelium.com to node9.mycelium.com?
[2017-04-12 06:14] ID=8640 BB_Martino: Letsencrypt.org
[2017-04-12 06:14] ID=8641 BB_Martino: ^ this. just apt-get install more or less, your cert will work, $0 investment, just 5 minutes of linux
[2017-04-12 06:16] ID=8642 BB_Martino: https://certbot.eff.org/#debianjessie-nginx
[2017-04-12 06:17] ID=8643 BB_Martino: (you can choose the specific flavor & webserver type for the specific step by step commands, pretty much)
[2017-04-12 06:19] ID=8644 BB_Martino: I know it's not a priority because there's no content that should be secure on there, but 1) it looks unprofessional to have a cert problem 2) some overzealous work proxies and similar may not allow a page to show up whereas with https people can still reach it 3) c'mon, it's like 5 minutes of work and https will be fixed.
[2017-04-12 06:42] ID=8645 Rassah: We'll look into it of course. We're just asleep until a few hours from now.
[2017-04-12 14:35] ID=8646 uporo: I wonder if cryptopia would list mt
[2017-04-12 16:21] ID=8647 Rassah: Looks like it's only the https://news.wallet.mycelium.com page. All other Mycelium pages are fine. Must've just been a setup oversight
[2017-04-12 16:37] ID=8648 BB_Martino: It has a cert for 'blog.mass.network'
[2017-04-12 16:39] ID=8649 BB_Martino: Another project of Alexander Kuzmin, also has an ICO, also in 2016. How many ICOs did he do last year? :)
[2017-04-12 16:54] ID=8650 franull: OMG this is a real botch job.\nYou are falling behind other options and losing the confidence of the people as a bitcoin wallet.\n\nyou just have to read forums, reddit posts, this group...
[2017-04-12 16:55] ID=8651 BB_Martino: Calm down, the wallet is still the same.
[2017-04-12 16:55] ID=8652 RE_ID=8649 Rassah: Three I guess?
[2017-04-12 16:56] ID=8653 RE_ID=8651 franull: yes, but indefensible things are being defended.\njust check out the last months in this group
[2017-04-12 16:57] ID=8654 BB_Martino: Noted. I guess there's nothing special about it, the problem is with me. Clearly I'm not getting "it". People email me from all over the world a bunch of times a year asking if they can invest in BB. I always say no because I don't have any ideas that can turn their money into much more money with a 90% probability.
[2017-04-12 16:58] ID=8655 BB_Martino: I wish I had one really good idea, meanwhile others are launching 3 things at once and getting millions of $. This is probably how it should be, nature works in a similar way, many animals give birth to a bunch of offsprings and maybe one survives. 1 > 0.
[2017-04-12 17:02] ID=8656 ShawnLeary: 9 out of 10 businesses fail, so start 10
[2017-04-12 17:27] ID=8657 RE_ID=8597 ???: who is that guy @Rassah? I never received a response back, or a ticket update or anything.
[2017-04-12 17:28] ID=8658 RE_ID=8657 Rassah: That would be @jeromerousselot He works directly under AK, set up and managed the token distribution, and has been working on Colu integration.
[2017-04-12 17:30] ID=8659 ???: okay thanks hopefully he can take a look today, is anybody else able to log into the crowdsale website besides me?
[2017-04-12 18:17] ID=8660 sprks: hi peoples, i have a question about mycelium local trader , if anyone can help
[2017-04-12 18:19] ID=8661 BB_Martino: I probably won't be able to help with the specific question, but I can help you get an answer quicker by suggesting this: ask the question! 👌
[2017-04-12 18:20] ID=8662 sprks: haha.. i think i got answer from the FAQ, but just to be sure.. -
[2017-04-12 19:54] ID=8668 RE_ID=8399 Maxxsaan: Am I the only one who done all of those things at the same time?
[2017-04-12 19:55] ID=8669 DoubleYouSee23: 
[2017-04-12 19:56] ID=8670 Maxxsaan: No stickers on laptop, fail
[2017-04-12 19:56] ID=8671 DoubleYouSee23: Lol
[2017-04-12 19:56] ID=8672 DoubleYouSee23: Hacking skills suffer from lack of stickers
[2017-04-12 22:16] ID=8673 ???: None
[2017-04-12 22:21] ID=8674 ???: None
[2017-04-13 13:50] ID=8676 painlord2k: Little question to @rassah :\nToday SegWit was buried definetly. F2Pool Wang Chun put the stone over its corpse.\n\nIf some miners start to signal support for Flexible Transactions, when Mycelium would/could start developing support for it in the wallet?
[2017-04-13 14:26] ID=8677 Rassah: Probably not until it's really really close to being approved by the network
[2017-04-13 14:42] ID=8678 RE_ID=8676 thorbjorn: Why you say it was buried definitely?
[2017-04-13 14:57] ID=8679 GB: Because as always he is full of shit.  F2pool is still signaling they are just getting ddosed
[2017-04-13 16:05] ID=8680 RE_ID=8678 painlord2k: Because Wang Chun tweeted he voted for SegWit for Litecoin just because he doesn't hold any.\nHe don't vote for SegWit in Bitcoin because he holds bitcoins.\nHe also tweeted USAF is evil like EC.\n\nHe was very specific about (Core) developers MUST accept miners don't want SegWit and find some solution acceptable to all parties.\n\nThe tweet about the DDoS stuck me more like a subtile threat to the people DDoSing him than anything else (but this discussion don't belong here).
[2017-04-13 16:05] ID=8681 RE_ID=8677 painlord2k: Thank You for the answer.
[2017-04-13 16:09] ID=8682 RE_ID=8680 thorbjorn: But you didn't answer my question. Nothing says SegWit was buried definitely.
[2017-04-13 16:20] ID=8683 GB: He is pretending that f2pool can't change its position on segwit on Bitcoin (which he says he is against) ...  Even though he does change his opinions and if segwit is a success on litecoin he would ofc Change his opinion.  He is being ridiculous, as usual
[2017-04-13 16:21] ID=8684 GB: Not to mention this wouldn't be the first time in the last 2 weeks that f2pool tweeted to make money off Market movements
[2017-04-13 16:54] ID=8685 RE_ID=8682 painlord2k: SegWit needs 95%. It was dead months ago, whe BU got 10% and continued to grow.\nToday (45% Unlimited + 8%) make majority of the hash rate hostile to SegWit.\nThis is the reason I believe SegWit is dead.\n\nYou are free to think differently.
[2017-04-13 19:01] ID=8686 RE_ID=8428 Rahoos: 1MT for $2USD? I'll buy.
[2017-04-13 19:06] ID=8687 thorbjorn: He wasn't being serious and wouldn't sell for 100x that.
[2017-04-13 19:12] ID=8688 Rahoos: I know :(
[2017-04-14 08:10] ID=8689 Neo Cortex: None
[2017-04-14 17:31] ID=8691 Waves.86: Lol
[2017-04-14 17:31] ID=8692 Waves.86: This Thor guy is troll
[2017-04-14 17:31] ID=8693 Waves.86: I'm selling for 275
[2017-04-14 17:31] ID=8694 Waves.86: I bought at 450
[2017-04-14 17:32] ID=8695 Waves.86: I want just want to recoup and we done with this shit coin
[2017-04-14 17:44] ID=8696 thorbjorn: 100x $2 is $200 and you're not selling for that, so not sure why you're calling me a troll.
[2017-04-14 21:24] ID=8697 Transisto: @Rassah Is there any chance that the project of monetizing the wallet be cancelled and funds left be returned?
[2017-04-14 21:28] ID=8698 BB_Martino: As soon as the hookers refund the CEO. j/k
[2017-04-14 23:19] ID=8699 RE_ID=8697 GB: Funds were all spent a long time ago
[2017-04-15 07:04] ID=8700 ghostkit: None
[2017-04-15 12:25] ID=8701 Neo Cortex: Funds were all spent a long time ago\n\nAre there any reports?
[2017-04-15 12:43] ID=8702 BitKralj: no, MT holders got rekt
[2017-04-15 12:44] ID=8703 Neo Cortex: Which max price anybody is ready to buy MTs?
[2017-04-15 12:45] ID=8704 Neo Cortex: Is there at least one person?
[2017-04-15 12:47] ID=8705 favdesu: no. not really
[2017-04-15 12:49] ID=8706 Neo Cortex: As for me, Mycelium is the worst ever crypto startup, which was funded by ico. I've never seen such incompetent job and queue of investors confirms that.
[2017-04-15 12:51] ID=8707 staras777: None
[2017-04-15 12:53] ID=8708 Neo Cortex: Where can we see a report of investors spent money? Why couln't you pay to bittrex or any exchange some kind of money, so they add MT some faster than now
[2017-04-15 12:54] ID=8709 favdesu: an exchange won't help now
[2017-04-15 12:54] ID=8710 favdesu: no one is gonna buy that worthless token
[2017-04-15 12:55] ID=8711 Neo Cortex: We at least could see real market price of it
[2017-04-15 12:55] ID=8712 Neo Cortex: I don't think it worthless at all
[2017-04-15 12:55] ID=8713 favdesu: no exchange listed, no buyers
[2017-04-15 12:55] ID=8714 favdesu: I'd say it's pretty much worthless
[2017-04-15 12:55] ID=8715 Ivandf78: https://market.bitsquare.io/?market=mt_btc
[2017-04-15 12:56] ID=8716 BB_Martino: That looks like 3 plots of actual data?
[2017-04-15 12:58] ID=8717 staras777: Its responsibility of CEO Alexander Kuzmin who sold this tokens when was at New York at Consensus Conference
[2017-04-15 12:58] ID=8718 Neo Cortex: Bitsquare isn't a real price indicator
[2017-04-15 12:58] ID=8719 Neo Cortex: i.e. https://market.bitsquare.io/?market=dash_btc
[2017-04-15 12:58] ID=8720 Neo Cortex: 3 orders
[2017-04-15 12:59] ID=8721 favdesu: last trade 11/16 come on, that's embarrassing to link
[2017-04-15 12:59] ID=8722 Neo Cortex: but dash has another volumes on traditional exchange
[2017-04-15 12:59] ID=8723 Neo Cortex: https://market.bitsquare.io/?market=eth_btc
[2017-04-15 12:59] ID=8724 Neo Cortex: same
[2017-04-15 13:00] ID=8725 Neo Cortex: So, why MT should be more popular on this exchange?
[2017-04-15 13:01] ID=8726 staras777: I will invite other cryptos who will confirm that it looks like hidden fraud ent activity
[2017-04-15 13:02] ID=8727 Neo Cortex: https://crowdsale.mycelium.com/\n\nProject has no money to extend SSL certificate
[2017-04-15 13:03] ID=8728 Neo Cortex: Why to do it, money were gathered already
[2017-04-15 13:04] ID=8729 Ivandf78: https://www.forbes.com/sites/neilpatel/2015/01/16/90-of-startups-will-fail-heres-what-you-need-to-know-about-the-10/#6ce51c656679
[2017-04-15 13:18] ID=8730 RE_ID=8708 Rassah: We offered. They didn't want to because they didn't think there would be enough volume or interest for it to be worth it.
[2017-04-15 13:53] ID=8731 BB_Martino: https://crowdsale.mycelium.com/\n\nProject has no money to extend SSL certificate
[2017-04-15 13:53] ID=8732 BB_Martino: Certs are free, it's a misconfig issue most likely.
[2017-04-15 13:54] ID=8733 RE_ID=8730 yanez72: if you think it's worth buying my MT
[2017-04-15 14:24] ID=8734 RE_ID=8732 Rassah: Found out it's just us not renewing it, because whoever was managing the websites is busy doing something else and forgot
[2017-04-15 14:55] ID=8735 BB_Martino: Still, if you have root, I'd apt-get install certbot and then it wouldn't look like deeply rooted money problems.
[2017-04-15 15:22] ID=8736 Waves.86: These guys are true assholes
[2017-04-15 15:23] ID=8737 Waves.86: They actual sent me an email for another ico
[2017-04-15 15:23] ID=8738 Waves.86: Wtf is that shit, so you can scam more
[2017-04-15 15:29] ID=8739 favdesu: LOL
[2017-04-15 15:34] ID=8740 BB_Martino: ICO for what?
[2017-04-15 15:44] ID=8741 Rassah: ICO for what???
[2017-04-15 16:32] ID=8742 RE_ID=8737 Tion1943: ScreenShot?
[2017-04-15 16:33] ID=8743 Waves.86: Lemme get the email
[2017-04-15 16:33] ID=8744 Waves.86: Another 5%
[2017-04-15 16:33] ID=8745 Waves.86: I was like wtf
[2017-04-15 16:35] ID=8746 Waves.86: It was for swish
[2017-04-15 16:36] ID=8747 Waves.86: 
[2017-04-15 16:36] ID=8748 Waves.86: Confirmed scammers
[2017-04-15 16:37] ID=8749 Tion1943: Oh man, that looks bad
[2017-04-15 16:37] ID=8750 Tion1943: It says spin-off of the Mycelium team. What does that mean?
[2017-04-15 16:38] ID=8751 Waves.86: Scam man!
[2017-04-15 16:38] ID=8752 Waves.86: Dated dec 16 2016
[2017-04-15 16:38] ID=8753 Tion1943: So not a new email?
[2017-04-15 16:38] ID=8754 Waves.86: Nah
[2017-04-15 16:39] ID=8755 Tion1943: dec 16 is still recent
[2017-04-15 16:39] ID=8756 Waves.86: Yeah
[2017-04-15 16:39] ID=8757 Tion1943: did it come from a Mycelium email addy?
[2017-04-15 16:40] ID=8758 Waves.86: You don't burn through 2.5 million in less than a year
[2017-04-15 16:40] ID=8759 Waves.86: I smell a rat
[2017-04-15 16:40] ID=8760 RE_ID=8747 Tion1943: @Rassah  how much did this sale make?
[2017-04-15 16:40] ID=8761 Waves.86: It's listed as mycelium swish team
[2017-04-15 16:48] ID=8762 Neo Cortex: 
[2017-04-15 16:54] ID=8763 RE_ID=8747 Rassah: That was a long while ago
[2017-04-15 16:55] ID=8764 Rassah: It made very little. Something like 16BTC. And AK told me the funds will be returned.
[2017-04-15 17:02] ID=8765 Waves.86: Haha y'all got caught
[2017-04-15 17:02] ID=8766 Waves.86: Lmao exposed
[2017-04-15 17:02] ID=8767 Waves.86: #woke
[2017-04-15 17:02] ID=8768 Rassah: Caught/exposed how?
[2017-04-15 17:06] ID=8769 Waves.86: He told you
[2017-04-15 17:06] ID=8770 Waves.86: Or he did lol
[2017-04-15 17:06] ID=8771 Waves.86: I smell a rat
[2017-04-15 17:07] ID=8772 Waves.86: Man we trusted you dude
[2017-04-15 17:07] ID=8773 Waves.86: That's the reason on bought
[2017-04-15 17:07] ID=8774 Waves.86: On your word
[2017-04-15 17:07] ID=8775 Waves.86: It's my fault I guess
[2017-04-15 17:07] ID=8776 Waves.86: I first got scammed by dao
[2017-04-15 17:08] ID=8777 Waves.86: Should of learned my lesson
[2017-04-15 17:08] ID=8778 BB_Martino: You're not making any sense.
[2017-04-15 17:08] ID=8779 Waves.86: How so
[2017-04-15 17:08] ID=8780 Waves.86: You spent all the money lol
[2017-04-15 17:08] ID=8781 Waves.86: Where's the progress
[2017-04-15 17:09] ID=8782 Waves.86: You haven't even listed coin any where
[2017-04-15 17:11] ID=8783 BB_Martino: It wasn't a coin to be traded/listed, it was a token to hold on to in case MyCelium ever went public and then you could have expected (completely at MyCelium's discretion) some earnings, but there wasn't any concrete promsie and it was always a long term thing. So while there's probably some issues there and the CEO might have spent all the money,\n1) Rassah was not responsible for the whole ICO, he was the only person doing any kind of work that I've seen\n2) You were not made any promises that you could be cashing in on at this moment.
[2017-04-15 17:11] ID=8784 BB_Martino: It wasn't a great ICO, but based on your anger you simply bought into it without reading or trying to understand what it was about. Now some time passed and you think that's a good trigger to vent.
[2017-04-15 17:12] ID=8785 favdesu: anyone buying MT?
[2017-04-15 17:17] ID=8786 Tion1943: "the missing iOS version (though we had it for a while)." The PDF for the sale said the IOS verion already existed.
[2017-04-15 17:17] ID=8787 Tion1943: @BB_Martino Is that a concrete promise?
[2017-04-15 17:18] ID=8788 RE_ID=8785 Valen_tin: I would be glad to buy them for some Doge
[2017-04-15 17:18] ID=8789 Tion1943: Ill trade TATIANACOIN for some
[2017-04-15 17:18] ID=8790 RE_ID=8789 Valen_tin: 😂😂
[2017-04-15 17:20] ID=8791 BB_Martino: David: if that was a promise then you would would be right. I'm just saying people demanding to trade it on Poloniex and pump & dump it and get all worked up that it isn't listed completely have the wrong idea.\n\nIf there was an iOS version promised long ago and they still don't have it, that would be a broken promise, yes. There's no "modular" MyCelium wallet software either but I don't remember if there was a deadline for that or not.
[2017-04-15 17:21] ID=8792 Neo Cortex: fav, [15.04.17 20:12]\nanyone buying MT?\n\nI'll give you 0.01 BTC/MT
[2017-04-15 17:22] ID=8793 RE_ID=8791 Tion1943: https://wallet.mycelium.com/Mycelium_Crowdsale_PR.pdf
[2017-04-15 17:23] ID=8794 BB_Martino: Cheers, will review it now. I devoted some time to making a reddit post back in the day going through all the non-promises, so that's what stuck with me.
[2017-04-15 17:24] ID=8795 BB_Martino: That's not the PDF I read
[2017-04-15 17:24] ID=8796 Tion1943: I think the reddit post had more details, but I dont know where an archive of that is.
[2017-04-15 17:24] ID=8797 BB_Martino: I have not even seen this... the other one was almost purely about the token and getting the company listed etc.
[2017-04-15 17:25] ID=8798 BB_Martino: This is the one I did read: https://wallet.mycelium.com/crowdsale.pdf
[2017-04-15 17:26] ID=8799 BB_Martino: None of the promises in the PR pdf are in there that i've seen.
[2017-04-15 17:26] ID=8800 Rassah: We have had progress. It's just a very big job. We did release some third party stuff like Simplex and Glidera, like we planned to. Unfortunately the back end BitcoinJ is a big project, but we're finishing up debugging
[2017-04-15 17:28] ID=8801 BB_Martino: Were any new coders hired for the project after the ICO? Or was it just to continue funding you guys?
[2017-04-15 17:29] ID=8802 BB_Martino: 0474098b13c76949d820dd02db367a7  downloaded-just-now.pdf\nbf6863cb4797170a3ca20fa8a3aa6858  crowdsale.pdf
[2017-04-15 17:29] ID=8803 BB_Martino: hm....
[2017-04-15 17:29] ID=8804 BB_Martino: Disclaimer: the PDF changed since I read it and posted about it back in 2016 compared to what is up now.
[2017-04-15 17:30] ID=8806 BB_Martino: Use GPS tracking next time 😂
[2017-04-15 17:30] ID=8807 RE_ID=8801 Rassah: Yes. We got one JR dev, and one high level dev who works under the lead dev. We also got an iOS dev, but unfortunately we lost him
[2017-04-15 17:40] ID=8808 BB_Martino: I didn't know you had that many devs. Where are you located on that ladder of JR -> high level -> lead ?
[2017-04-15 17:42] ID=8809 Rassah: Product Manager
[2017-04-15 17:42] ID=8810 Rassah: I'm in charge of the project 😨
[2017-04-15 17:44] ID=8811 BB_Martino: Oh ok, cool.
[2017-04-15 18:46] ID=8812 Transisto: The problem is not so much that the project is completely dead, it's that progress has slowed down significantly after the ICO while we were expecting the opposite.
[2017-04-15 18:53] ID=8813 Transisto: Who in this chat is part of the dev team / company?
[2017-04-15 18:54] ID=8814 Transisto: It's Alexander Kuzmin reading this telegram?
[2017-04-15 19:54] ID=8815 Rassah: AK is not
[2017-04-16 13:47] ID=8816 ImadL: anyone here?
[2017-04-16 13:47] ID=8817 ImadL: 😨
[2017-04-16 13:50] ID=8818 Tion1943: I am, are you here?
[2017-04-16 13:51] ID=8819 ImadL: 😨 Just want to know something
[2017-04-16 13:51] ID=8820 ImadL: assuming that I have 1 BTC in my wallet
[2017-04-16 13:52] ID=8821 ImadL: I send 0.5 BTC to an address
[2017-04-16 13:52] ID=8822 ImadL: Is it possible to send the other 0.5 BTC to another address ? (If we take in consideration that the first transaction is not confirmed yet)
[2017-04-16 13:53] ID=8823 Tion1943: It would only have to wait for the second TX if the one BTC was all on the same output.
[2017-04-16 13:54] ID=8824 Tion1943: or an ouptut just larger than .5, and you would have to wait for the change return.
[2017-04-16 13:54] ID=8825 Tion1943: Or try to replace the first Tx doeing it all at once.
[2017-04-16 13:54] ID=8826 ImadL: Alright, thanks !
[2017-04-16 14:10] ID=8827 Rassah: The short answer is yes :)
[2017-04-17 10:36] ID=8828 ???: None
[2017-04-17 12:27] ID=8829 Wordswords101: None
[2017-04-17 13:35] ID=8830 bigs21024: Any movement on the Mycelium tokens anything new at all
[2017-04-17 18:00] ID=8831 EvanFaggart: None
[2017-04-17 19:33] ID=8832 Waves.86: Nah
[2017-04-17 19:33] ID=8833 Waves.86: ''Twas a scam
[2017-04-17 19:33] ID=8834 Waves.86: Tulan style
[2017-04-17 19:52] ID=8835 DoubleYouSee23: I think he meant to say it wasn't a pump and dump, but a long term investment, so don't expect anything for quite awhile. They were never intended to be swapped around like an alt coin.
[2017-04-17 20:01] ID=8836 southtopia: None
[2017-04-17 21:12] ID=8837 Rassah: Last week we had to spend a lot of time optimizing our server nodes. They were running some old projects that were using up resources, and we optimized some of our current back end code too. It was getting to the point where memory was getting full and some nodes would randomly reset, so it had to be done
[2017-04-18 03:33] ID=8838 southtopia: None
[2017-04-18 04:00] ID=8839 ???: None
[2017-04-18 15:17] ID=8840 cvennekel: Article from our Friends @ Trezor on how to use mycelium with your trezor:\n—> https://blog.trezor.io/using-mycelium-to-watch-your-trezor-accounts-a836dce0b954
[2017-04-18 17:10] ID=8841 ???: What about other wallet?
[2017-04-18 17:12] ID=8842 Rassah: What other wallet?
[2017-04-18 17:16] ID=8843 RE_ID=8840 SilverWolf8: THIS IS PERFECT THANK YOU!!!!
[2017-04-18 17:18] ID=8844 DoubleYouSee23: You can also import more than one trezor account (assuming you have passphrase enabled) then archive them all, only enabling one at a time so that when mycelium queries your balance your accounts are not all linked to the same IP
[2017-04-18 17:26] ID=8845 Rassah: Yep, that's a great feature to allow you to split your accounts.
[2017-04-18 17:26] ID=8846 Rassah: Ledger wallets work the exact same way btw
[2017-04-18 17:39] ID=8847 RE_ID=8845 SilverWolf8: yes I learned my lesson the hard way, last week I accidentally sent 5BTC to a complete stranger in a different country to whom i was only supposed to send .005btc....
[2017-04-18 18:05] ID=8848 DoubleYouSee23: Do yourself a favor and switch to mBTC
[2017-04-18 18:11] ID=8849 SilverWolf8: I was lucky the person sent me back the 5 BTC.....unbelievable...
[2017-04-18 18:11] ID=8850 RE_ID=8848 SilverWolf8: how?
[2017-04-18 18:12] ID=8851 Rassah: Settings
[2017-04-18 18:12] ID=8852 Rassah: Also makes it easier cause 1mBTC is about $1
[2017-04-18 18:14] ID=8853 SilverWolf8: agreed
[2017-04-18 18:14] ID=8854 SilverWolf8: I owe some supernatural being a huge favour for having that person refund me without any obligation to do so on such a large amount, i am truly blessed
[2017-04-18 18:15] ID=8855 SilverWolf8: i was worried sick all night
[2017-04-18 18:15] ID=8856 Rassah: People in general are good
[2017-04-18 18:15] ID=8857 SilverWolf8: especially considering i am about to get a mortgage and pay for my wedding
[2017-04-18 18:16] ID=8858 RE_ID=8856 SilverWolf8: apparently so! i am surprised!
[2017-04-18 18:16] ID=8859 RE_ID=8658 ???: It's been a week and still no response back and still can't log in... our recover account by email.
[2017-04-18 18:25] ID=8860 ???: *our or
[2017-04-18 18:32] ID=8861 Rassah: I asked who's in charge and can help in our private group
[2017-04-18 19:12] ID=8862 RE_ID=8849 DoubleYouSee23: That is awesome. We have some pretty amazing people in our community, that's for sure
[2017-04-18 19:13] ID=8863 RE_ID=8857 DoubleYouSee23: Oh Congrats!
[2017-04-18 19:14] ID=8864 DoubleYouSee23: (And if you didn't find it, open mycelium> settings> denomination> mBTC
[2017-04-18 19:15] ID=8865 RE_ID=8812 bigs21024: I agree with this nothing new in quite some time and really no benefits to ICO buyers
[2017-04-18 19:16] ID=8866 RE_ID=8849 bigs21024: Wow you can share lol must be nice for sure
[2017-04-18 19:16] ID=8867 DoubleYouSee23: Yea, IMO mycelium being able to hold mycelium tokens should have been priority number 1, to an extent I do that was owed to us...
[2017-04-18 19:17] ID=8868 bigs21024: Yes
[2017-04-18 19:18] ID=8869 RE_ID=8862 SilverWolf8: My faith in humanity is restored
[2017-04-18 19:18] ID=8870 Rassah: Last week we finished up cleaning out our GitHub repository. We used a private branch for development, and published finished stuff to the public one. We also had too many branches for different attempted projects and users. Leo, our lead dev, consolidated and cleaned up, so now we'll primarily use our public branch. It needed to be done because it was getting very messy and difficult to manage, and hopefully now you'll be able to see progress publicly much easier
[2017-04-18 19:19] ID=8871 DoubleYouSee23: 
[2017-04-18 19:19] ID=8872 RE_ID=8866 SilverWolf8: yes i will definitely share! ask and you shall receive!
[2017-04-18 19:19] ID=8873 Rassah: We hope to have the SPV module available any week now. That's next week's project
[2017-04-18 19:20] ID=8874 RE_ID=8872 DoubleYouSee23: If you really want to sspread the wealth go buy some crypto products, trezor, ledger, cryptosteel or something, projects like that make all of our coins worth more as they help noons join our cult
[2017-04-18 19:20] ID=8875 DoubleYouSee23: Err not a cult. Sorry
[2017-04-18 19:21] ID=8876 RE_ID=8874 SilverWolf8: I already bought a trezor
[2017-04-18 19:21] ID=8877 SilverWolf8: what else can i support?
[2017-04-18 19:22] ID=8878 DoubleYouSee23: I dunno. If you find out let me know.
[2017-04-18 19:23] ID=8879 BB_Martino: The account archival thing is a good idea. But I have ~6 different accounts and would like to separate them in two. It would be really awesome to have account groups for easy archival/de-archival.
[2017-04-18 19:24] ID=8880 DoubleYouSee23: Personally I really like projects built on top of bitcoin, but they're kinda silly to be honest. Book of orbs, Augmentors... and as much as I hate to say it... rare pepes. Things like that really are pushing what can be done with bitcoin.
[2017-04-18 19:24] ID=8881 BB_Martino: And I imagine it wouldn't be hard to implement, either.
[2017-04-18 19:24] ID=8882 Rassah: As for Colu support, the base code for that has been done in November, but it still needed to be implemented in the wallet itself. That has proved to be a long task, and it was delayed because code needed to be reviewed by the lead dev to make sure it's ok, but the lead has been busy fixing critical stuff, like the server overload issue from a few weeks ago.
[2017-04-18 19:24] ID=8883 DoubleYouSee23: Ooh, I like that idea!
[2017-04-18 19:26] ID=8884 RE_ID=8872 bigs21024: I can only dream
[2017-04-18 19:30] ID=8885 RE_ID=8884 SilverWolf8: never stop dreaming
[2017-04-18 19:33] ID=8886 Rassah: Unless you're late for work. Then get up and go!
[2017-04-18 19:37] ID=8887 bigs21024: 👍
[2017-04-18 20:29] ID=8888 thorbjorn: I don't quite get the point of the TREZOR blog post. I'm using my TREZOR with Mycelium ever since I bought it over 1.5 years ago. Is there something new here?
[2017-04-18 20:32] ID=8889 Rassah: Just an ad/reminder I guess
[2017-04-18 20:42] ID=8890 RE_ID=8888 SilverWolf8: no just some of us were not aware, or thought it was too complicated to set up, so it helps me for sure
[2017-04-18 20:43] ID=8891 thorbjorn: Alright, thanks.
[2017-04-18 21:01] ID=8892 ???: 4 months later and bittrex still hasnt added MT yet :(
[2017-04-18 21:02] ID=8893 Rassah: I know, WTF :(
[2017-04-18 21:13] ID=8894 BitKralj: Wtf? There is not a single person who would like to buy MT. I totaly understand why they won't add it
[2017-04-18 21:19] ID=8895 RE_ID=8877 cvennekel: https://thisapp.io/\n\nbuy your btc from a vendor you use anyway and help btc adoption while at it
[2017-04-19 01:17] ID=8896 RE_ID=8861 ???: thank you very much, hopefully somebody picks it up
[2017-04-19 10:50] ID=8897 Ohaimark1989: Hey, so any news on the new wallet platform thing?
[2017-04-19 11:29] ID=8898 RE_ID=8895 thorbjorn: This could have been built into Mycelium, right? Rather unfortunately that it's a new and rather broken looking app...
[2017-04-19 11:56] ID=8899 RE_ID=8898 cvennekel: I would like that idea, yeah.\nit was almost finished for almost 2 years now afaik and just recently went from dark to beta, the intro video at least is https://vimeo.com/107621147
[2017-04-19 11:57] ID=8900 thorbjorn: The first frame of that video makes it so only suitable for guys...
[2017-04-19 11:59] ID=8901 thorbjorn: Anyway I installed it will try it out. I just hope you may do some kind of collaboration eventually, and maybe still realize a plugin-like system.
[2017-04-19 12:00] ID=8902 thorbjorn: I mean, I don't think you actually need stuff like downloading 3rd party plugins. You can just collaborate and ship things.
[2017-04-19 15:46] ID=8903 RE_ID=8896 Rassah: Jerome fixed the site
[2017-04-19 15:48] ID=8904 RE_ID=8903 ???: Yes he did, I can now log in and confirm my previous balance
[2017-04-19 15:48] ID=8905 ???: thank you very much
[2017-04-19 15:48] ID=8906 ???: when's colu support within Mycelium?
[2017-04-19 15:59] ID=8907 thorbjorn: And Colu local trader! :D
[2017-04-19 20:30] ID=8908 RE_ID=8906 Rassah: Soon... ish? Not sure, sorry
[2017-04-19 20:36] ID=8909 DoubleYouSee23: Two weeks (TM)
[2017-04-19 20:45] ID=8910 Rassah: Yeah, then
[2017-04-19 20:54] ID=8911 DoubleYouSee23: Is the mycelium gear telegram ever going to be used, or is it just a placeholder?
[2017-04-20 00:04] ID=8912 Rassah: I don't know. I'm not involved with any of the devs from there
[2017-04-20 00:08] ID=8913 DoubleYouSee23: K, thanks
[2017-04-21 17:41] ID=8914 Anomaly: Is multisig in the future for the wallet @Rassah ?
[2017-04-21 18:11] ID=8915 Maneuver_1: None
[2017-04-21 21:14] ID=8916 Rassah: We hope so
[2017-04-21 21:14] ID=8917 Rassah: Whatever is in the future of bitcoin, we hope to implement, Just not sure when
[2017-04-22 00:00] ID=8918 Godson_Mansa: Is this still a scam ico ?
[2017-04-22 00:09] ID=8919 Rassah: Maybe
[2017-04-22 03:16] ID=8920 tutakamime_a: None
[2017-04-22 07:04] ID=8921 TheSatMan: @Rassah when will we find out - do you think? 1, 3, 6 months?
[2017-04-22 09:23] ID=8922 abra_xos: How long should we wait before filing a lawsuit ?
[2017-04-22 09:24] ID=8923 RE_ID=8922 Valen_tin: Not sure you can lol
[2017-04-22 09:24] ID=8924 Valen_tin: They didn't promise something in return
[2017-04-22 09:28] ID=8925 abra_xos: more about "where is the money ?"
[2017-04-22 14:10] ID=8926 DoubleYouSee23: Spent on development. We know that already.
[2017-04-22 14:19] ID=8927 DoubleYouSee23: AK used to spend out of pocket for development, we offset that cost when we bought MT. They were going to be totally rewriting the wallet to have a unified codebase for both android and iPhone, but something about iPhone security prevented that, so now they are bringing their various branches of code back into the main wallet. they thought colu integration would be done by now, but the project is harder than they anticipated. We have gotten a few updates on the wallet since the ICO but not as many as we, or they would have liked. If you stop thinking about this as a typical pump and dump ICO in the cryptoverce, and more like a typical stock IPO, the process makes more sense, since that's much closer to the reality of the situation. Everyone, you, me and the dev's, are all pretty salty, and I hope to carry MT with a standard Seed phrase soon. Hope that is all the info you need. If I got anything wrong @rassah please correct me/ add to what I've said
[2017-04-22 14:27] ID=8928 Cme: ^
[2017-04-22 16:52] ID=8929 Rassah: We have done a whole lot of work with converting it too, where the wallet used to depend entirely on our proprietary bitlib library for everything, and we are changing it to BitcoinJ with SPV support. That meant a lot of changes throughout the code, for scanning for balances and transactions, verifying balances, signing and broadcasting, and checking for a ton of errors, and that new code is out there (spent 6+ months developing), but it's just taking a but longer to finalize and implement. We're hoping to get the SPV module out any day now (limited release target is this week).
[2017-04-22 18:22] ID=8930 TheSatMan: Okay - Thank you so much for your answers... 😊
[2017-04-22 18:38] ID=8931 Rassah: Finally got a call from AK. I guess I'll have a press release soon. We're still progressing.
[2017-04-22 19:30] ID=8932 RE_ID=8931 Anomaly: Thanks for the update! We're all looking forward to some great upgrades to the wallet in the future!!
[2017-04-22 19:31] ID=8933 Rassah: Honestly it's you guys that keep me going. Mistakes were made (not malicious, just business derp), but we're not lost yet, and are still going, very slowly getting better (too slowly but still). And I don't want to see investors lose, so will keep doing whatever needed to make sure we get to the goal of being profitable.
[2017-04-22 19:39] ID=8934 SJ C: like charging for the wallet and making money? free version and a premium version even? seems like a win win to me
[2017-04-22 19:40] ID=8935 Rassah: No, just third party stuff. Wallet will still always be free
[2017-04-22 19:40] ID=8936 Rassah: Well, maybe always
[2017-04-22 19:40] ID=8937 Anomaly: Very glad you're steering the ship and staying the course, Rassah! 🙏
[2017-04-22 19:41] ID=8938 SJ C: am i missing something? Is the third party stuff going to be that profitable?
[2017-04-22 19:42] ID=8939 Rassah: We hope so
[2017-04-22 19:42] ID=8940 SJ C: any projections or numbers to back that up?
[2017-04-22 19:42] ID=8941 RE_ID=8935 DoubleYouSee23: A Redhat Linux like business model might be something to think about. Free for all those than want it to be free, a paid version for businesses who want to be able to demand support. Though not anytime soon, don't want to be making money too early (before you can offer full support if needed)  but something to think about. Businesses don't like free
[2017-04-22 19:42] ID=8942 SJ C: its what normal companies do
[2017-04-22 19:43] ID=8943 SJ C: i second Wile's comment
[2017-04-22 19:43] ID=8944 AROMACOMPUTERS: Ya, suport is what early on defined one linux distro from the next
[2017-04-22 19:43] ID=8945 SJ C: seems like a simple patch to implement, although numbers will have to be crunched, but i just dont see why not
[2017-04-22 19:43] ID=8946 RE_ID=8940 Rassah: Well, we're apparently making between $2k and $3k a month with just what we have now
[2017-04-22 19:44] ID=8947 Rassah: We're going for the Google Play store / Apple Appstore model rather than Red Hat. At least right now
[2017-04-22 19:45] ID=8948 SJ C: if you have a 300k user base, 10% of which is willing to pay for premium support @ $2.00 per month, that $60,000 more per month
[2017-04-22 19:45] ID=8949 SJ C: how is that not worth it?
[2017-04-22 19:46] ID=8950 Rassah: We'd get 1% to 2% of that, not 10%
[2017-04-22 19:46] ID=8951 SJ C: $5 per month?
[2017-04-22 19:46] ID=8952 RE_ID=8933 DoubleYouSee23: Honestly, one of the biggest reasons i "shill" here for you guys, is to keep your morale up. Nothing kills a project faster than feeling like you're swimming upstream against your own users. Though I do totally understand people being upset. But when it comes to making money, I'm a long term player. My short game is shit already, so I don't mind the wait that infuriates other people.
[2017-04-22 19:46] ID=8953 SJ C: still not worth it @ 1%?
[2017-04-22 19:46] ID=8954 SJ C: atill more than what the third parties are paying you
[2017-04-22 19:47] ID=8955 RE_ID=8952 Rassah: I'm upset. I agree with our users, a lot of what's been happening is unacceptable. But I guess I deal with what I have.
[2017-04-22 19:47] ID=8956 DoubleYouSee23: and we appreciate it.
[2017-04-22 19:48] ID=8957 Rassah: With third parties we hope to integrate with some exchanges too. Even if we charge the exchange 0.1% per trade, on volume alone that can add up very quickly
[2017-04-22 19:48] ID=8958 SJ C: i thought that was the plan with WAVES
[2017-04-22 19:49] ID=8959 Rassah: I don't actually know what the plan for WAVES was. I never heard of it until before their ICO, and haven't really heard much after unfortunately
[2017-04-22 19:50] ID=8960 DoubleYouSee23: I still have absolutely no clue about waves
[2017-04-22 19:50] ID=8961 DoubleYouSee23: anyone have a tldr?
[2017-04-22 19:51] ID=8962 SJ C: ok then what exchanges have been approached by Mycelium?
[2017-04-22 19:51] ID=8963 Rassah: Coinbase for one
[2017-04-22 19:51] ID=8964 SJ C: what'd they say?
[2017-04-22 19:52] ID=8965 AROMACOMPUTERS: Prob said get the hell out of here
[2017-04-22 19:53] ID=8966 Rassah: They want to be added to our Buy/Sell bitcoin section. Actually we started on that a while ago, but are waiting for them to finish something on their side. The test code ended up you buying bitcoin... with that bitcoin just ending up in your Coinbase wallet instead of the Mycelium one. So it was effectively a useless web interface no different from using Coinbase to buy bitcoins through a mobile browser. I think they need to fix/change their API so the coins end up in your own wallet.
[2017-04-22 19:54] ID=8967 Rassah: But that was another project that was put off for a bit as we had to focus on other things, like getting that COLU thing out.
[2017-04-22 19:56] ID=8968 DoubleYouSee23: I use Lawnmower to buy from Coinbase, which ends up in the Coinbase wallet even though I could just use the coinbase app. Humans do stuff like that, so I don't see a Mycelium integration being totally worthless
[2017-04-22 22:03] ID=8969 DoubleYouSee23: DID MYCELIUM JUST SCAM ME OFF OVER $1000?\nhttps://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/66xgql/did_mycelium_just_scam_me_off_over_1000/
[2017-04-22 22:04] ID=8970 DoubleYouSee23: @rassah, you might want to pop into Reddit and correct some FUD.
[2017-04-22 22:07] ID=8971 DoubleYouSee23: Sad to see the samourai dev's tweeting this, they obviously know better. Ledger and samourai have crappy agressive marketing. SMH
[2017-04-22 22:08] ID=8972 Rassah: Thanks
[2017-04-22 22:12] ID=8973 DoubleYouSee23: It's pretty dishonest for samourai to try and turn it into an add for themselves. I'm getting disappointed in quite a few companies in this space.
[2017-04-22 22:12] ID=8974 Rassah: What??
[2017-04-22 22:12] ID=8975 Rassah: Where are they doing that?
[2017-04-22 22:14] ID=8976 DoubleYouSee23: Twitter. that's where I saw this
[2017-04-22 22:15] ID=8977 Rassah: Looking for the tweet, but...
[2017-04-22 22:16] ID=8978 Rassah: Maybe they deleted it
[2017-04-22 22:17] ID=8979 DoubleYouSee23: \n\nTDevD‏ @SamouraiDev\n\nIf your bitcoin wallet is asking for a bunch of KYC, then you are not using the good wallet (link: https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/66xgql/did_mycelium_just_scam_me_off_over_1000/) reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comm… Use #SamouraiWallet
[2017-04-22 22:18] ID=8980 DoubleYouSee23: 5:54
[2017-04-22 22:19] ID=8981 BB_Martino: https://twitter.com/SamouraiDev/status/855895062869311488
[2017-04-22 22:19] ID=8982 BB_Martino: That's pretty damn low.
[2017-04-22 22:20] ID=8983 BB_Martino: It's hard to tell for sure but I'm leaning toward deliberate fud.
[2017-04-22 22:20] ID=8984 DoubleYouSee23: Follow them and ledger if you ever wanted reason to use mycelium and trezor. Its one thing to have opinions, but its certainly eroding my trust in those companies.
[2017-04-22 22:21] ID=8985 RE_ID=8983 DoubleYouSee23: Oh absolutely, as a wallet dev they have to know better, they're just hoping their potential customers dont
[2017-04-22 22:22] ID=8986 Rassah: Oh look, EXACTLY 140 charters\nhttps://twitter.com/MyceliumCom/status/855909639334109184
[2017-04-22 22:23] ID=8987 Rassah: #shotsfired
[2017-04-22 22:24] ID=8988 RE_ID=8986 AROMACOMPUTERS: Nice
[2017-04-22 22:29] ID=8989 BB_Martino: I posted one as well and I rarely tweet. I've never heard of Samouraiwallet and can't imagine anyone who understands the severity of what they just did would sleep well with their coins held by their software or even just installed on their phone.
[2017-04-22 22:29] ID=8990 BB_Martino: This reeks of scammer.
[2017-04-22 22:33] ID=8991 DoubleYouSee23: I like quite a bit of what they're doing, trying new stuff in terms of security, but that's bad business right thar.
[2017-04-22 22:33] ID=8992 Rassah: They've been around for a while. They also focus on privacy a lot
[2017-04-22 22:34] ID=8993 BB_Martino: That level of dishonesty is a deal breaker for me.
[2017-04-22 22:34] ID=8994 BB_Martino: If they lie about this, who knows what else is hidden under the hood.
[2017-04-22 22:34] ID=8995 Rassah: Some of their privacy ideas are a but 😐 though
[2017-04-22 22:35] ID=8996 Rassah: Like, they let you send your transaction through multiple of your own addresses before sending it to its destination, that way anyone like exchange looking back at where the money came from won't see that and will just see a few of your own addresses
[2017-04-22 22:35] ID=8997 DoubleYouSee23: Being able to hide my wallet until I text myself my pincode is cool. And so is whitelisting one friends phone number so I can use his phone to remotely delete the wallet if my phone is stolen is cool too.
[2017-04-22 22:36] ID=8998 Rassah: Yeah, those are good
[2017-04-22 22:39] ID=8999 RE_ID=8996 DoubleYouSee23: And as dumb as that is for actual security, it does make sending from Coinbase to Shapeshift easier, so Coinbase doesn't put a temp hold on your account while they ask why you are using Shapeshift.
[2017-04-22 22:40] ID=9000 DoubleYouSee23: Though I assume your paying waaay too much in transaction fees
[2017-04-22 22:42] ID=9001 BB_Martino: Shapeshift generates a new BTC address when converting, so Coinbase would need to take some time and periodically review where your withdrawals went down the pipe. I don't see how adding 1-2 more addresses would make a difference unless they're looking at 2-3 steps...
[2017-04-22 22:43] ID=9002 BB_Martino: To know you sent to Shapeshift, they would need to look at where your Shapeshift deposit address sends the coins to, with which other addresses as input or something. This whole tracing bitcoin transactions thing in such a context is stupid.
[2017-04-22 22:43] ID=9003 RE_ID=8999 Rassah: They can just see that if all the funds are spent from an address, it's probably your address, and go back a bit further
[2017-04-22 22:43] ID=9004 DoubleYouSee23: I believe that they do
[2017-04-22 22:43] ID=9005 DoubleYouSee23: oh. Yea.
[2017-04-22 22:45] ID=9006 BB_Martino: It's just crazy the amount of assumptions and false positives involved in "blockchain analysis". A policeman came all demandful to know the personal information of whoever an address belonged to. I said no and it took 6 more emails to explain to him what a shared wallet was before he gave up.
[2017-04-22 22:45] ID=9007 BB_Martino: Well he didn't give up, I actually helped him by giving a hint that he should enquire with Localbitcoins ;)
[2017-04-22 22:45] ID=9008 BB_Martino: But it's frightening to think someone may get convicted based on what walletexplorer.com says
[2017-04-22 22:46] ID=9009 BB_Martino: (Combined with authorities' lack of understanding of how transactions work)
[2017-04-22 22:47] ID=9010 Rassah: Oh yeah, we had another request for information, with regards to sending things through the post, and again had to explain that we don't have any information that's not public on the block explorer
[2017-04-22 22:47] ID=9011 BB_Martino: A simple request from an investigator or a subpoena signed by a judge?
[2017-04-22 22:47] ID=9012 Rassah: Didn't get the chance to offer to send him our blockchain database file this time though
[2017-04-22 22:47] ID=9013 DoubleYouSee23: Lol, that dev is doubling down on his tweets. Sigh. I think I have to uninstall samourai and sentinel now
[2017-04-22 22:48] ID=9014 BB_Martino: That's the other thing that scares me, that judges would sign subpoenas based on 'blockchain analysis'
[2017-04-22 22:48] ID=9015 RE_ID=9013 Rassah: Don't. They may come up with a good idea
[2017-04-22 22:48] ID=9016 Rassah: Then you can tell us about it
[2017-04-22 22:48] ID=9017 BB_Martino: 😁
[2017-04-22 22:49] ID=9018 DoubleYouSee23: Meh, I can use the space on my phone. But I like that you stay classy rassah.
[2017-04-22 22:49] ID=9019 DoubleYouSee23: Besides, if they do something noteworthy ill know anyway.
[2017-04-22 22:50] ID=9020 Rassah: I AM curious what Samourai's revenue plan is. Airbitz is doing similar to what we're doing
[2017-04-22 22:51] ID=9021 Rassah: It's a bad feeling even customers say they'll remove your wallet out of protest, as opposed to continuing the dialogue. So..
[2017-04-22 22:51] ID=9022 Rassah: Wouldn't wish that on others
[2017-04-22 22:55] ID=9023 BB_Martino: It's perfectly understandable that you want to make money from your hard work. The only time I would uninstall MyCelium is if I had to pay for the wallet itself (not because I don't want to support it but because of the technicalities of how it would be enforced) or if the plugins had access to grab info from my phone or transactions.
[2017-04-22 22:57] ID=9024 Rassah: The later is where we failed with the iPhone attempt and had to drop that whole line of development. No reliable way to keep pluggins from getting access to transaction data, including private keys.
[2017-04-22 22:58] ID=9025 DoubleYouSee23: !
[2017-04-22 22:59] ID=9026 Rassah: Airbitz guys claim they figured something else, but I haven't asked about the details yet
[2017-04-22 23:01] ID=9027 DoubleYouSee23: What crypto related apps does everyone here use/play with? Anything worth checking out?
[2017-04-22 23:03] ID=9028 Rassah: Just Orbot. They added VPN support, so you can lock down your whole phone now
[2017-04-22 23:04] ID=9029 DoubleYouSee23: Oh cool
[2017-04-22 23:04] ID=9030 BB_Martino: Apps are sending out so much info about you & your phone all the time. I'm not sure that tunnelling all of that into TOR is a great idea.
[2017-04-22 23:04] ID=9031 DoubleYouSee23: I use orbit but didn't know that
[2017-04-22 23:05] ID=9032 BB_Martino: Perhaps if you have an option to null connections and choose the exceptions it's fine.
[2017-04-22 23:05] ID=9033 BB_Martino: For some reason Orbot never works with MyCelium on my phone, the onion log just keeps circling waiting for info...
[2017-04-22 23:05] ID=9034 BB_Martino: But I may be doing it wrong.
[2017-04-22 23:06] ID=9035 Rassah: It let's you pick which apps you want to go through Tor
[2017-04-22 23:06] ID=9036 Rassah: Obviously things like Google Maps I don't
[2017-04-22 23:06] ID=9037 RE_ID=9033 Rassah: No idea. I never have a problem unless the onion running node is down
[2017-04-22 23:07] ID=9038 Rassah: Maybe you got unlucky and ran it then
[2017-04-22 23:08] ID=9039 BB_Martino: Nah, it's never worked.
[2017-04-22 23:09] ID=9040 BB_Martino: It could be a conflict with OpenVPN (not running, just installed as a VPN device)
[2017-04-22 23:09] ID=9041 BB_Martino: Or maybe that I selected TOR in MyCelium and also in Orbot
[2017-04-22 23:09] ID=9042 BB_Martino: The config was a bit confusing to me but it wasn't that important so I never bothered to track it down.
[2017-04-22 23:11] ID=9043 Rassah: It should just need Orbot running with default config and connected (make sure it's started), and a setting turned on in Mycelium. Nothing more
[2017-04-22 23:12] ID=9044 Rassah: I'm really hoping that I can test the new SPV module that'll let me pick my own node next week
[2017-04-22 23:13] ID=9045 BB_Martino: Awesome!
[2017-04-22 23:13] ID=9046 BB_Martino: Does the node need index=1 ?
[2017-04-22 23:13] ID=9047 BB_Martino: or can it be any node?
[2017-04-22 23:14] ID=9048 Rassah: Any
[2017-04-22 23:14] ID=9049 Rassah: I think... I'm pretty sure it's just standard SPV
[2017-04-22 23:14] ID=9050 BB_Martino: Cool.
[2017-04-22 23:58] ID=9074 Rassah: This place is for Mycelium Wallet stuff, not random discussions
[2017-04-22 23:58] ID=9075 BB_Martino: 👍
[2017-04-23 10:16] ID=9076 Daniel Constantinescu: None
[2017-04-23 14:34] ID=9077 RE_ID=9027 Rahoos: Not sure if you're asking about cryptography-related or cryptocurrency-related, but I'm feeling pretty good about Signal. I've exchanged numbers with a couple LocalTrader counterparties now, on the condition that they only contact me through Signal. It's more reliable than Localtrader's messaging system, and we switch to Localtrader to do the transaction once we're face to face.
[2017-04-23 14:39] ID=9078 Rahoos: Also, @Rassah, I second everything @DoubleYouSee23 and @BB_Martino said about fud and pump and dump accusations here, and appreciate your efforts. I rarely come to Mycelium's defense anymore because I get too aggressive about it and I've been amazed by your resilience in staying friendly.
[2017-04-23 16:41] ID=9079 Anomaly: Yes, Rassah is great and a good leader for the Mycelium team. It's my hope that he continues to oversee the wallet's development for a long time to come!
[2017-04-23 17:22] ID=9080 mdrmn: When will be the mycelium card available for order?
[2017-04-23 17:27] ID=9081 DoubleYouSee23: as of right now they wont be sold to individuals. Mycelium doesn't (didn't?) believe they could make enough money that way. They want to bulk sell them to companies or banks or something. I strongly disagree. I'd buy one in a heartbeat.
[2017-04-23 17:47] ID=9082 Rassah: We had to suspend that project
[2017-04-23 17:47] ID=9083 Rassah: There's not enough demand to make it worthwhile. So Wallet, Gear, and Swish are our top products now
[2017-04-23 17:56] ID=9084 AROMACOMPUTERS: What happened to the entropy usb thingy
[2017-04-23 18:01] ID=9085 Rassah: One of our old devs is trying to take it over. It's open source
[2017-04-23 18:24] ID=9086 RE_ID=9085 DoubleYouSee23: maybe another run on kickstarter? I love mine, and know a few people who would buy one. Make better t-shirts this time though... that last one was atrocious.
[2017-04-23 18:24] ID=9087 Rassah: Yes it was...
[2017-04-23 20:16] ID=9088 RE_ID=9082 mdrmn: so the card project was suspended?
[2017-04-23 21:12] ID=9089 Rassah: It is
[2017-04-23 21:23] ID=9090 The_Tokenator: are MT tokens going to be used for anything
[2017-04-23 21:32] ID=9091 Rassah: They represent a 5% stake in our wallet company
[2017-04-23 21:34] ID=9092 The_Tokenator: so I haven't had time to keep up with the chat. any recent updates?
[2017-04-23 21:41] ID=9093 Rassah: CPFP was released recently
[2017-04-23 21:41] ID=9094 Rassah: We hope to get SPV module out to testing soon, maybe even this week
[2017-04-23 21:42] ID=9095 The_Tokenator: cool
[2017-04-23 22:02] ID=9096 DoubleYouSee23: Any video showing cpfp being used? Just curious to see it in action
[2017-04-23 22:04] ID=9097 Rassah: Not much to it. You select an unconfirmed transaction, choose CPFP from the menu, it warns you about the extra cost, and then just creates a new transaction tagged CPFP
[2017-04-23 22:06] ID=9098 DoubleYouSee23: Yea I figured it was simple, just like to see stuff.
[2017-04-24 01:00] ID=9099 Rahoos: I sold some bitcoin to a couple guys this afternoon, and one used his Coinbase wallet, the other one used Mycelium. For the Coinbase user I set a priority fee. We had 99% confidence on the Mycelium trade almost immediately, like normal, and then the the of us sat talking about cryptocurrencies while we waited for the first confirmation on the Coinbase wallet. The Mycelium guy would have been comfortable leaving at 99%, but the Coinbase user had never met me, so we just waited. First confirmation came after about half an hour, and we payed ways another 15 minutes or so after that, with still no confirmation on the Mycelium transaction. A good experience overall, but it would be nice to be able to set priority on Localtrader transactions.
[2017-04-24 01:02] ID=9100 Rahoos: Rereading that, I see it's maybe not clear that the other two are friends and came together, so we all three were together at the sane time, waiting for the two transactions to confirm.
[2017-04-24 01:04] ID=9101 RE_ID=9085 Rahoos: Can you share contact info or is there anywhere interested buyers/users could get on a mailing list or something?
[2017-04-24 01:23] ID=9102 Rassah: Not yet. It's still in the "maybe" stage
[2017-04-24 07:18] ID=9103 TheSatMan: @Rassah will news about Mecelium be released today? As i understand you were in contact with your CEO yesterday?
[2017-04-24 07:18] ID=9104 TheSatMan: MyCelium
[2017-04-24 09:12] ID=9105 RE_ID=9098 cvennekel: I can make one for you if you like
[2017-04-24 09:39] ID=9106 RE_ID=9096 cvennekel: Here you can see a demonstration of it in Action http://quick.as/21vltbjxj\n(the emulator being used is from bluestacks.com, yes, restoring your mobile seed to use on desktop and mobile works)
[2017-04-24 15:00] ID=9107 RE_ID=9103 Rassah: Probably tomorrow
[2017-04-24 15:02] ID=9108 TheSatMan: Cool! Thank you so much ✅
[2017-04-24 15:12] ID=9109 ???: None
[2017-04-24 15:13] ID=9110 ???: Hello
[2017-04-24 15:13] ID=9111 RE_ID=9110 cvennekel: Welcome
[2017-04-24 15:13] ID=9112 ???: I am devito a btc trader in the netherlands and america
[2017-04-24 15:13] ID=9113 ???: I have a question
[2017-04-24 15:14] ID=9114 ???: I have a transaction that is confirmed, but still pending in my mycelium app on iphone
[2017-04-24 15:17] ID=9115 DoubleYouSee23: Still pending as in not showing up in mycelium at all, or showing as unconfirmed?
[2017-04-24 15:17] ID=9116 ???: Showing as unconfirmed
[2017-04-24 15:17] ID=9117 ???: But it has around 30 confirmations now
[2017-04-24 15:23] ID=9118 DoubleYouSee23: Hmmm. have you tried 1. Closing mycelium completely and restarting, or 2. going into settings and changing the block explorer? If that doesn't fix the issue ping rassah
[2017-04-24 15:24] ID=9119 ???: Tried both
[2017-04-24 15:24] ID=9120 Rassah: Sounds like one of our nodes is behind.
[2017-04-24 15:24] ID=9121 ???: Its now 5 hours ago that transaction was first confirmed
[2017-04-24 15:26] ID=9122 Rassah: Yep, confirmed, node is stuck
[2017-04-24 15:26] ID=9123 Rassah: Try restarting again, hopefully it'll connect to a different one
[2017-04-24 15:26] ID=9124 Rassah: We'll try to get it unstuck in the mean time
[2017-04-24 15:28] ID=9125 ???: Okay i will just wait
[2017-04-24 15:28] ID=9126 ???: Thanks
[2017-04-24 15:40] ID=9127 Rassah: node2 is catching up. I reset bqs. bitcoind was at latest block. bqs was 120 behind and will take about 5 minutes to sync.
[2017-04-24 15:42] ID=9128 ???: Thanks perfect
[2017-04-24 15:45] ID=9129 ???: Its good now
[2017-04-24 15:45] ID=9130 Rassah: 👍
[2017-04-25 01:14] ID=9131 GB: Can we connect to our own nodes yet? Soon?
[2017-04-25 01:26] ID=9132 RE_ID=9131 DoubleYouSee23: Rassah:\nI'm really hoping that I can test the new SPV module that'll let me pick my own node next week
[2017-04-25 04:13] ID=9133 southtopia: So where is Mycelium the company actually based?
[2017-04-25 04:23] ID=9134 RE_ID=9133 Rassah: Incorporated in Latvia for the Wallet, but everyone is spread around the world and works remotely
[2017-04-25 04:23] ID=9135 southtopia: Ah right, thanks.
[2017-04-25 10:16] ID=9136 RE_ID=9134 ShortFatUglyDumb: I love how more and more online startups are doing this -- hiring workers remotely, independent of geography. So many benefits.
[2017-04-25 10:29] ID=9137 RE_ID=9136 southtopia: Except when you're Bitfinex 😉
[2017-04-25 12:05] ID=9138 Wopin: Hi ppl, i have a doubt. I can sign a transaction with mycelium using the cold storage function?
[2017-04-25 12:08] ID=9139 RE_ID=9138 cvennekel: sign a transaction or message? Transaction yes, for message signing the key needs to be imported though
[2017-04-25 12:24] ID=9140 Wopin: I think message
[2017-04-25 12:24] ID=9141 Wopin: Thanks
[2017-04-25 13:44] ID=9142 thorbjorn: For the fee calculation, it seems we need a way to look into the future. I had my Local Trader partner being quite worried yesterday night when it took several hours to confirm and had to explain the whole problem with raising transaction volume. Fortunately I had that graph to help out or they may have thought I was scamming them... https://blockchain.info/charts/mempool-count
[2017-04-25 13:47] ID=9143 thorbjorn: It made me think that really, this whole adaptive fee business is just not going to actually fix the problem. Soon as a few blocks are mined with low transaction volume or network gets busy for some other reason, you're stuck for several hours regardless of choosing a good fee at the "present time".
[2017-04-25 16:43] ID=9144 BB_Martino: We use bitcoinfees.21.co and add 2%, that way all our users who leave the fee dropdown on "Confirm ASAP" typically get confirmed on the first block. I know it's not perfect but it works.
[2017-04-25 16:57] ID=9145 ImadL: Anything released @Rassah
[2017-04-25 16:57] ID=9146 ImadL: You said that you are going to talk with the CEO
[2017-04-25 17:01] ID=9147 ImadL: Anyone here knows If Mycelium use BIP39 for generating the seed?
[2017-04-25 18:09] ID=9148 RE_ID=9147 XuTPoBaH: https://github.com/mycelium-com/wallet/search?utf8=%E2%9C%93&q=bip39&type=
[2017-04-25 18:10] ID=9149 ImadL: There is also a mention of BIP44
[2017-04-25 18:10] ID=9150 ImadL: so does it use it both? or what
[2017-04-25 18:11] ID=9151 ImadL: them"
[2017-04-25 18:12] ID=9152 Rassah: It uses both
[2017-04-25 18:13] ID=9153 ImadL: thanks
[2017-04-25 18:13] ID=9154 ImadL: as for the press release by the CEO
[2017-04-25 18:13] ID=9155 ImadL: any news?
[2017-04-25 18:27] ID=9156 Rassah: Working on it
[2017-04-25 20:47] ID=9157 RE_ID=9106 DoubleYouSee23: thanks very much for that. I just wanted to know the ins and outs in case I needed to help someone else do that before I had a need to do it myself. Very helpful
[2017-04-25 20:55] ID=9158 Cme: ^ short and sweet!
[2017-04-25 21:21] ID=9159 thorbjorn: Hmm, maybe I could have used that yesterday... well, for next time I know.
[2017-04-25 21:21] ID=9160 thorbjorn: I reckon CPFP can be done by anybody, so including sender and receiver?
[2017-04-25 21:38] ID=9161 Cme: http://bitsonline.com/last-years-mycelium-crowdfund/
[2017-04-26 01:22] ID=9162 SJ C: i wouldn't mind a second crowdsale to buyback the original tokens, at least we get something back
[2017-04-26 04:41] ID=9163 RE_ID=9160 jandreske: It can (almost) always be done by the receiver. The sender can do it if there is a change output, so most of the times, but not necessarily always. \n\nIf I were to send all my coins to you, I couldn't CPFP that, because I wouldn't have any incoming money from that transaction to throw into a child transaction. \n\nAnd of course if the amount sent is too small, there is no use. So even if the receiver can technically always create a child transaction, it might not be able to pay a high enough fee to work if the incoming value is too little.
[2017-04-26 10:40] ID=9164 DripBit: None
[2017-04-26 13:27] ID=9165 onefox: None
[2017-04-26 15:15] ID=9166 RE_ID=9163 thorbjorn: Thanks a lot for the clarification. It makes total sense, that since the new transaction needs to use one of the outputs of the previous one, it can always be done by the receiver and sometimes by the sender, if there was enough "change" output. I hadn't realized the new transaction couldn't take money from somewhere else.
[2017-04-26 15:16] ID=9167 thorbjorn: Though, if the change was too small, I guess the child transaction can throw in another of my inputs to use for the fee.
[2017-04-26 15:32] ID=9168 ImadL: Assuming that I have private keys printed in a piece of pape r
[2017-04-26 15:32] ID=9169 ImadL: is it possible to import them to Mycelium ?
[2017-04-26 15:35] ID=9170 ImadL: If yes, they will be sent (using a transaction, fees etc...) to one my Mycelium addresses or actually "imported"
[2017-04-26 15:42] ID=9171 RE_ID=9170 jandreske: You can do both - import the actual key, or cold - spend from them to where ever you want.
[2017-04-26 15:44] ID=9172 RE_ID=9167 jandreske: Sure, you could do that, but essentially yourself are paying 50 cents in order to faster get hold of 20 cents. So there is no financial incentive to do it, but you might want that transaction confirmed for another reason, so that is fine then.
[2017-04-26 15:45] ID=9173 thorbjorn: Right, the idea would be not that I care about that bit of change, but that I care about the rest of the money arriving at where I sent it.
[2017-04-26 15:49] ID=9174 ImadL: @jandreske thanks
[2017-04-26 19:18] ID=9175 bigs21024: My brother got the Mycelium app for ios and he sent transaction a few days ago and it still says sending can anyone help
[2017-04-26 19:19] ID=9176 bigs21024: 
[2017-04-26 19:20] ID=9177 bigs21024: Here is block chain info
[2017-04-26 19:20] ID=9178 bigs21024: 
[2017-04-26 19:20] ID=9179 bigs21024: 
[2017-04-26 19:20] ID=9180 bigs21024: 
[2017-04-26 19:21] ID=9181 bigs21024: And his addy sent from is \n\n19UNPK5UQAPWALPDeQuwzpTF9JUvp6UPih
[2017-04-26 19:27] ID=9182 SilverWolf8: can you send the link to the blockain info? thanks
[2017-04-26 19:30] ID=9183 bigs21024: Yes one sec
[2017-04-26 19:31] ID=9184 bigs21024: Hey @Silver Wolf
[2017-04-26 19:32] ID=9185 bigs21024: https://blockexplorer.com/address/19UNPK5UQAPWALPDeQuwzpTF9JUvp6UPih
[2017-04-26 19:33] ID=9186 bigs21024: My brother is freaking he just started using bitcoin I told him I know the blockchain has been bloated but I'm not sure
[2017-04-26 19:34] ID=9187 bigs21024: Also here is blockchain.info
[2017-04-26 19:34] ID=9188 bigs21024: https://blockchain.info/address/19UNPK5UQAPWALPDeQuwzpTF9JUvp6UPih
[2017-04-26 19:35] ID=9189 bigs21024: He has ios wallet and I have android wallet so I don't know how different they are from each other
[2017-04-26 19:38] ID=9190 RE_ID=9182 bigs21024: Posted
[2017-04-26 19:39] ID=9191 Rassah: Does he have any bitcoin left?
[2017-04-26 19:39] ID=9193 Rassah: Yeah, that's what I was suspecting
[2017-04-26 19:40] ID=9194 Rassah: Not sure why the fee was so low. I had an issue with that once a few days ago. Had to CPFP
[2017-04-26 19:40] ID=9195 Rassah: Have him send the max amount to himself with a normal fee
[2017-04-26 19:41] ID=9196 SilverWolf8: i deleted the screen shot becuase on second thought the fee looked sufficient no?
[2017-04-26 19:41] ID=9197 SilverWolf8: 
[2017-04-26 19:41] ID=9198 SilverWolf8: oh nevermind
[2017-04-26 19:41] ID=9199 SilverWolf8: its only 10 cents right? lol
[2017-04-26 19:41] ID=9200 Rassah: Maybe... 0.000226 BTC
[2017-04-26 19:41] ID=9201 SilverWolf8: should be one dollar approx
[2017-04-26 19:41] ID=9202 Rassah: Or $0.30
[2017-04-26 19:42] ID=9203 SilverWolf8: 
[2017-04-26 19:50] ID=9204 bigs21024: Yeah he has btc I. His wallet I'm pretty sure is the blockchain bloated
[2017-04-26 19:57] ID=9205 bigs21024: I just don't know the ios I know android has a rebroadcast in android
[2017-04-26 20:03] ID=9206 SilverWolf8: the fee was too small, might take a long time to process
[2017-04-26 20:04] ID=9207 bigs21024: I just asked him he said it was set to priority
[2017-04-26 20:07] ID=9208 bigs21024: @Silver Wolf looks like you were looking at wrong transaction somehow the fee was FEE: 0.000226 BTC
[2017-04-26 20:08] ID=9209 SilverWolf8: thats still too small
[2017-04-26 20:09] ID=9210 SilverWolf8: needs to be atleast 0.0006 to be same day lately i think
[2017-04-26 20:11] ID=9211 bigs21024: Ok thanks bro he said he had it set priority but I told him to check again
[2017-04-26 20:23] ID=9212 bigs21024: Does iPhone app have the rebroadcast feature like android does
[2017-04-26 20:37] ID=9213 SilverWolf8: Maybe @Rassah can help with those questions, im sorry I dont have the knowledge.   My advice is if you are new to bitcoin, test with small amounts first - always set FEE to normal or above, once you are comfortable you will have no fears.
[2017-04-26 20:38] ID=9214 Rassah: I don't have an iPhone
[2017-04-26 20:39] ID=9215 Rassah: But you can send Max to yourself with a normal or priority fee, and that will effectively be CPFP
[2017-04-26 21:28] ID=9217 thorbjorn: Soon we can all just use Moonbeam and be done with it, right?
[2017-04-26 21:40] ID=9218 thorbjorn: Ah well, only for transactions between multi-user platforms.
[2017-04-27 10:09] ID=9219 TheSatMan: @Rassah link to updates about MyCelium?
[2017-04-27 15:47] ID=9220 bigdaddyX: Mycelium will be no more within 1 year.
[2017-04-27 16:07] ID=9221 RE_ID=9220 DoubleYouSee23: 
[2017-04-27 16:07] ID=9222 DoubleYouSee23: The fud is strong out there
[2017-04-27 16:08] ID=9223 bigdaddyX: As is the blind faith. Time will tell.
[2017-04-27 16:09] ID=9224 DoubleYouSee23: I don't have any faith.  There is just no EVIDENCE to support your statement. And even if the company went under, their wallet would still work (once they release spv within the month)
[2017-04-27 16:10] ID=9225 Rassah: SPV to limited testers is still this week (though maybe Sunday?).
[2017-04-27 16:14] ID=9226 DoubleYouSee23: Can't wait.
[2017-04-27 16:15] ID=9227 ImadL: What do you mean by SPV
[2017-04-27 16:15] ID=9228 ImadL: isn't Mycelium an SPV wallet
[2017-04-27 16:15] ID=9229 ImadL: arleady
[2017-04-27 16:15] ID=9230 ImadL: 😨
[2017-04-27 16:19] ID=9231 Rassah: It connects to nodes that we run (3 of them) so it can work faster.\nBitcoin nodes (Bitcoin itself) doesn't store address balances. Only inputs and outputs to addresses. So if you want to know the balance of your address, you have to scan the whole blockchain from the beginning, adding and subtracting all money that went in and out. For true SPV clients that means very long initialization time, at which point it saves a time up to where it scanned, and then every time you open the wallet it needs to scan through all the blocks that happened since to update your balances. Thanks used to be a very long process that used up a lot of data
[2017-04-27 16:21] ID=9232 Rassah: Our nodes would do the difficult job of parsing the whole blockchain and create a custom database of addresses and balances. Thanks to that, you can get a balance for your address instantly, and do things like cold storage spending from a paper wallet from an address you don't have, without having to scan the whole blockchain for it.\nBut phones are much much much faster now, and people have a lot of cell data (no more 250mb and 500mb plans), so SPV is a lot more useable now.
[2017-04-27 16:22] ID=9233 ImadL: So you are planning to do it as an update?
[2017-04-27 16:22] ID=9234 ImadL: soon?
[2017-04-27 16:22] ID=9235 Rassah: A separate plugin module, yes
[2017-04-27 16:23] ID=9236 ImadL: What do you mean 😨
[2017-04-27 16:23] ID=9237 ImadL: We need to download another app?
[2017-04-27 16:25] ID=9238 ImadL: "separate"
[2017-04-27 16:26] ID=9239 Rassah: Yes
[2017-04-27 16:26] ID=9240 Rassah: It'll work like a replacement for our server, while the wallet itself works as is
[2017-04-27 16:27] ID=9241 ImadL: Hopefully It won't eat much battery
[2017-04-27 16:27] ID=9242 Rassah: It'll only run when you run the wallet
[2017-04-27 16:27] ID=9243 ImadL: oh, even better
[2017-04-27 16:28] ID=9244 ImadL: Very good, I'm glad that the developers are taking serious action now. Do we have an ETA for the update?
[2017-04-27 16:40] ID=9245 RE_ID=9235 painlord2k: 👍🏼
[2017-04-27 17:01] ID=9246 bigs21024: This was the answer and it worked good\n\nhttps://www.viabtc.com/tools/txaccelerator/
[2017-04-27 20:35] ID=9247 AROMACOMPUTERS: The credit card payment based CPFP ???
[2017-04-27 21:58] ID=9248 crsvld: hey guys, is anyone intersted in buying my MT token?
[2017-04-27 21:58] ID=9249 crsvld: 50% discount
[2017-04-27 22:41] ID=9250 RE_ID=9247 DoubleYouSee23: Not sire what the credit card thing is, but cpfp stands for Child Pays For Parent. Where the receiver of a payment can pay extra transaction fees to boost the priority of a payment. (Technically the sender can do this in certain circumstances too)
[2017-04-27 22:47] ID=9251 RE_ID=9249 CrystaBall: 90%
[2017-04-27 23:21] ID=9252 miguel2020: None
[2017-04-28 01:24] ID=9253 RE_ID=9250 AROMACOMPUTERS: Roger setup credit card based payments for the link you posted.  Which to me was a slap in bitcoins face.
[2017-04-28 01:33] ID=9254 RE_ID=9253 DoubleYouSee23: Ah. Though to be fair I use my Credit card to buy bitcoins, then sell some of what I bought to pay the debt when the price increases, rince and repeat.  (Do not for the love of God take financial advice from me, but there is a silver lining to that cloud)
[2017-04-28 06:28] ID=9255 Gladpack: ViaBTC's accelerator has always been free as far as I know. It was that other accelerator that took credit cards. Ver doesn't promote credit cards but Bitcoin Core supporters do.
[2017-04-28 06:30] ID=9256 Gladpack: I think it's this one https://pushtx.btc.com/#/
[2017-04-28 06:39] ID=9257 DoubleYouSee23: oh. I totally misunderstood the conversation. Don't mind me.
[2017-04-28 10:44] ID=9258 ???: Hey guys anyone know what happened in regards to tumbling feature? Is that still on the table for mycelium?
[2017-04-28 11:03] ID=9259 cvennekel: kind of,\nit is done in the developers free time and stalling, as we were asked not to commit more hours to it
[2017-04-28 11:04] ID=9260 cvennekel: missing features so we feel confident to make a release is tor support, which would make it easier to use (no need for portforward for example)
[2017-04-28 16:21] ID=9261 jhon_Doe: buy MT @0.1 escrow
[2017-04-28 17:35] ID=9262 ???: 
[2017-04-28 17:35] ID=9263 ???: Anyone get this?
[2017-04-29 02:40] ID=9264 Tion1943: None
[2017-04-29 12:57] ID=9265 hardcorepawn: None
[2017-04-29 13:00] ID=9266 hardcorepawn: So... how is the SPV stuff coming along?  Also, are there plans to implement RBF... and maybe provide a manual fee entry option?
[2017-04-29 13:41] ID=9267 Waves.86: Selling MT for 175usd
[2017-04-29 13:41] ID=9268 Waves.86: Hmu
[2017-04-29 13:50] ID=9269 Transisto: New roadmap to monetization please... , SPV is saving mycelium pennies not making us millions.
[2017-04-29 13:53] ID=9270 BB_Martino: SPV isn't about monetization, it's about adding privacy and decentralising the wallet.
[2017-04-29 13:53] ID=9271 BB_Martino: If monetization ever moves forward, you probably want to see it in a product that many people use because it's good.
[2017-04-29 14:57] ID=9272 RE_ID=9267 ZaCkRrr: 
[2017-04-29 15:56] ID=9273 Waves.86: Obf
[2017-04-29 15:56] ID=9274 Waves.86: Shoot me a price
[2017-04-29 16:16] ID=9275 RE_ID=9267 CrystaBall: I can offer you 10%
[2017-04-29 16:19] ID=9276 Waves.86: 10% of what
[2017-04-29 16:19] ID=9277 Waves.86: Of what I paid??
[2017-04-29 16:48] ID=9278 BB_Martino: Of what you offered, I assume
[2017-04-29 19:21] ID=9279 RE_ID=9266 Giszmo: spv kind of works (if you know what to expect) but is not at all battle tested or end-user ready. I committed to provide binaries "this week" and if pressured, I will provide what I have tomorrow but as Nelson also is working on it and said something about "by Tuesday" I think management will be playing with spv mode by Tuesday or Wednesday.\n\nThere are definitely plans to implement RBF. I personally believe that anything but next-block priority fees should automatically come with RBF as whenever there is urgency to confirm soon involved, the user can't risk to run into major up-ticks in Bitcoin activity that last a week. With RBF I can also imagine to allow arbitrary fees, although I find it kind of pointless to go for zero fees or 3sat/B for example. Those transactions get either paid for CPFP style or will never confirm.
[2017-04-29 19:24] ID=9280 RE_ID=9270 Giszmo: SPV is horrible for privacy actually, unless you connect it with your own full node. We would also like to add privacy features like committed bloomfilters and/or UTXO commitments.
[2017-04-30 01:04] ID=9281 BB_Martino: It'll be an option IIRC and yes I was planning to use it with my own node. Sending requests to the MyCelium server via https isn't great either but I can see how it's a little better than generic SPV as long as they don't sell out to Chainalysis or get a gag order to log all requests etc.
[2017-04-30 01:04] ID=9282 BB_Martino: Pros & cons with everything eh?
[2017-04-30 01:09] ID=9283 Rassah: I think it's best for privacy to get balances from your own node, and broadcast transactions through Mycelium node. No one will know whom that transaction came from
[2017-04-30 01:09] ID=9284 Rassah: Better than using your own node to broadcast, cause that's tied to your IP address
[2017-04-30 01:49] ID=9285 BB_Martino: And that will be configurable, right?
[2017-04-30 03:03] ID=9286 Giszmo: I don't see how broadcasting through our node should be better than your own node. Either way, if you used TOR to connect you should be fine.
[2017-04-30 03:07] ID=9287 Rassah: If someone is connected to your own node, that's 1 out of 1 users broadcasting that transaction that they can see. If they connect to a Mycelium node, that's 1 out of 350,000 or more users that could be broadcasting
[2017-04-30 03:07] ID=9288 Rassah: I'm thinking you need to broadcast from a node used by everyone
[2017-04-30 03:07] ID=9289 Rassah: And even better through our Tor connection
[2017-04-30 06:21] ID=9290 ZaCkRrr: Is there any case wallet got hacked because of this stuffs
[2017-04-30 07:56] ID=9291 Rassah: Not that we know of
[2017-04-30 10:28] ID=9292 ImadL: With the new SPV update
[2017-04-30 10:29] ID=9293 ImadL: It will be possible to choose where to connect to sync our wallet?
[2017-04-30 10:57] ID=9294 ImadL: anyone?
[2017-04-30 10:57] ID=9295 ImadL: 😨
[2017-04-30 12:16] ID=9296 Rassah: Yes
[2017-04-30 12:18] ID=9297 ImadL: @Rassah thanks
[2017-04-30 12:18] ID=9298 ImadL: like Electrum ? using an IP and port?
[2017-04-30 12:19] ID=9299 Rassah: Yeah
[2017-04-30 12:20] ID=9300 ImadL: thanks :p
[2017-04-30 12:25] ID=9301 Rassah: Welcome. Sorry, just woke up
[2017-04-30 12:29] ID=9302 ImadL: No problem. I understand
[2017-04-30 17:55] ID=9303 RE_ID=9287 Giszmo: If you use Mycelim servers, you still risk that Mycelium is tracking you/selling the information. With your own node you would ideally create a new TOR endpoint for every broadcast and make sure you can't be fingerprinted somehow else.
[2017-04-30 18:10] ID=9304 Rassah: Sounds too complicated
[2017-04-30 19:02] ID=9305 Waves.86: Anyone want MT selling for 100
[2017-04-30 19:18] ID=9306 RE_ID=9305 CrystaBall: What does that mean?
[2017-04-30 19:23] ID=9307 BB_Martino: They're trying to sell their MyCelium token for $100
[2017-04-30 19:25] ID=9308 Waves.86: Lol
[2017-04-30 19:25] ID=9309 Waves.86: No one wants it for quarter of the price
[2017-04-30 19:25] ID=9310 Waves.86: Man you broke azzes
[2017-04-30 19:26] ID=9311 Waves.86: Rassah buy my mt
[2017-04-30 19:26] ID=9312 Waves.86: Start a buy back program
[2017-04-30 19:39] ID=9313 CrystaBall: I can offer $10
[2017-04-30 20:01] ID=9314 Waves.86: Lol where do live Guatemala
[2017-04-30 20:02] ID=9315 Waves.86: Ur so broke it's crazieee
[2017-04-30 23:41] ID=9316 Pzypher: None
[2017-04-30 23:52] ID=9317 Pzypher: Who wants to buy my MT
[2017-04-30 23:53] ID=9318 RE_ID=9317 CrystaBall: $10
[2017-04-30 23:53] ID=9319 Pzypher: Lol is this the current price
[2017-04-30 23:56] ID=9320 Pzypher: Crap tokens thousands of dollars blown away
[2017-05-01 01:56] ID=9321 Waves.86: Damn how much you put it
[2017-05-01 01:57] ID=9322 Waves.86: Yeah there whole team is full of idiots
[2017-05-01 01:57] ID=9323 Waves.86: Blow though 2mill in less than a year
[2017-05-01 12:47] ID=9324 SJ C: how do you know they blew 2 million
[2017-05-01 12:53] ID=9325 BB_Martino: "Funds raised in last May’s crowdsale went mostly on salaries for managers, developers and other support staff, product manager Dmitry “Rassah” Murashchik told Bitsonline."
[2017-05-01 12:54] ID=9326 RE_ID=9324 cvennekel: he doesn't, dftt
[2017-05-01 13:20] ID=9327 RE_ID=9325 ZaCkRrr: 
[2017-05-01 17:07] ID=9328 Waves.86: I do
[2017-05-01 17:08] ID=9329 Waves.86: I heard it straight from the horse's mouth
[2017-05-01 17:31] ID=9330 DoubleYouSee23: Stop talking to horses then.
[2017-05-01 17:32] ID=9331 DoubleYouSee23: Though if by "blew through 2 mil" you mean, "spent their money on development " you're not wrong. Shit ain't cheap
[2017-05-01 21:20] ID=9332 thorbjorn: If we take the cost of a developer at 100k/year, you could pay 20 people for 2 years from that amount of money. Should be able to get a lot done...
[2017-05-01 23:11] ID=9333 thecryptofiend: Exactly.  You can't spend 2m on development and have nothing to show which is the current situation.  Don't understand the Yes-men who seem to think that is OK.
[2017-05-01 23:16] ID=9334 Rassah: It's not ok. It's a pita for me right now
[2017-05-01 23:17] ID=9335 thecryptofiend: Thanks Rassah, I think you are one of the people that got screwed.  Basically you have been used as a buffer to take the flack for the lack of transparency.
[2017-05-01 23:18] ID=9336 Rassah: Luckily it's not even that. The big boss wasn't even aware there was a problem or questions/accusations
[2017-05-01 23:19] ID=9337 thecryptofiend: Well it is a lesson of sorts I suppose.
[2017-05-01 23:20] ID=9338 Rassah: He still thinks this business is good and sound with a ton of potential, and thinks these image issues are just a few problem people making an unnecessary fuss, like it's not a big deal. I guess that's good, but there's internal issues to deal with as a result too
[2017-05-01 23:53] ID=9339 Qblu32ooth: Is the nice stuck again, I \nPosted a low priority fee at 11 this morning, zero confirmations.  This has never happened on mycelium to me.
[2017-05-01 23:55] ID=9340 Qblu32ooth: Node
[2017-05-02 00:05] ID=9341 Rassah: No, there's just way too much network activity
[2017-05-02 03:46] ID=9342 Qblu32ooth: Purse bcoin Solution for scalibilty needs to be investigated
[2017-05-02 15:21] ID=9343 javisobr: question: could a malevolent miner trick the algorithm used by wallets like Mycelium to make it calculate fees much higher than they should by inflating the mempool with useless transactions?
[2017-05-02 15:28] ID=9344 TheSatMan: What is the latest news - about MyCelium? 😊
[2017-05-02 15:44] ID=9345 RE_ID=9343 Giszmo: No. Not by inflating the mempool alone. If a cartel of miners wanted to drive up fees, they could spam the price up and agree to compensate eachother for fees that were mined that were paid by cartel members. that would be manufactured activity to not get called out for simply mining half empty blocks.
[2017-05-02 16:35] ID=9346 javisobr: ok
[2017-05-02 16:39] ID=9347 Giszmo: To not get fooled by the miners, it is inherently important to have mining distributed and currently it is not very distributed. But I guess ASICBOOST ist the bigger problem right now.
[2017-05-02 16:50] ID=9348 CrystaBall: Did someone say ASICBoost?
[2017-05-02 18:24] ID=9349 Qblu32ooth: What is mycelium gear?
[2017-05-02 18:40] ID=9350 RE_ID=9349 AROMACOMPUTERS: I use it, accepting btc on a website.
[2017-05-02 19:22] ID=9351 RE_ID=9349 Rassah: Think BitPay, but without converting payments to USD, and with the payments going right into your wallet instead of to BitPay, because they have all your addresses to send money to already.
[2017-05-02 19:34] ID=9352 ShortFatUglyDumb: I don8d 2 a company once via Myc Gear on their website. It was a pleasant experience from an end-user UX.
[2017-05-03 08:31] ID=9353 ???: @Rassah what was the company you used for sending money to ukriane privat account? The one I'm using just jacked the fee up to $20 for every $100 in bitcoin sent. Even western union and moneygram is cheaper
[2017-05-03 09:03] ID=9354 Rassah: https://utbs.ws/r/bitcoinua
[2017-05-03 12:32] ID=9355 TheSatMan: @Rassah I try again: What is the latest news - about MyCelium? 😊
[2017-05-03 13:22] ID=9356 RE_ID=9354 ???: Thank you
[2017-05-04 18:51] ID=9357 JuanSGalt: Hello
[2017-05-04 18:51] ID=9358 JuanSGalt: quick question. I lost my phone. which wallet do you suggest for desktop to recover a 12 word seed created on mycelium?
[2017-05-04 18:53] ID=9359 DoubleYouSee23: electrum (99% sure)
[2017-05-04 18:54] ID=9360 JuanSGalt: never heard of it
[2017-05-04 18:54] ID=9361 JuanSGalt: any others?
[2017-05-04 18:54] ID=9362 ZaCkRrr: lol
[2017-05-04 18:54] ID=9363 JuanSGalt: ah electrum
[2017-05-04 18:54] ID=9364 DoubleYouSee23: Sorry autocorrect. fixed
[2017-05-04 18:54] ID=9365 ZaCkRrr: In that case you can use my wallet
[2017-05-04 18:54] ID=9366 JuanSGalt: yeah but it asks for some bip data. not sure what to put
[2017-05-04 18:55] ID=9367 JuanSGalt: i restored with default settings but it does not seem right. .. :/ maybe ill borrow a friends phone and jsut get the money out of it for now
[2017-05-04 18:55] ID=9368 RE_ID=9367 ZaCkRrr: You can use coinomi wallet
[2017-05-04 18:56] ID=9369 JuanSGalt: yeah, also a mobile wallet.
[2017-05-04 18:56] ID=9370 ZaCkRrr: It support windows desktop now
[2017-05-04 18:56] ID=9371 JuanSGalt: oh really??
[2017-05-04 18:56] ID=9372 JuanSGalt: awesome news
[2017-05-04 18:59] ID=9373 ZaCkRrr: Too bad it is not open public yet...you need to fill the form to use it\n\nhttps://twitter.com/CoinomiWallet/status/827667543963877377
[2017-05-04 19:01] ID=9374 DoubleYouSee23: I was wrong about electrum, sorry. I should have searched first
[2017-05-04 19:37] ID=9375 ShortFatUglyDumb: I think ur seeking a BIP44 compatible wallet.
[2017-05-04 20:05] ID=9376 RE_ID=9358 Rassah: Multibit HD should work. Electrum uses some non standard thing
[2017-05-04 20:27] ID=9377 Giszmo: for the bip44 stuff, copay also works (except for 1% of all backups where copay screws up). If you used coinapult, you will need mycelium to restore though.
[2017-05-04 22:52] ID=9378 Waves.86: Anyone know how long colu takes to confirm
[2017-05-04 22:53] ID=9379 Waves.86: Also anyone own a trezor
[2017-05-04 22:53] ID=9380 Rassah: It's just running on top of bitcoin
[2017-05-04 22:53] ID=9381 Rassah: I own one
[2017-05-04 22:53] ID=9382 Rassah: One bitcoin confirm is one Colu confirm
[2017-05-04 22:54] ID=9383 Waves.86: I sent one mt
[2017-05-04 22:54] ID=9384 Waves.86: Hasn't confirmed
[2017-05-04 22:54] ID=9385 Waves.86: Do you hold eth on trezor?
[2017-05-04 22:54] ID=9386 Rassah: Any new blocks since then?
[2017-05-04 22:54] ID=9387 Rassah: I don't have any eth
[2017-05-04 22:55] ID=9388 Waves.86: Oh ok
[2017-05-04 22:55] ID=9389 Waves.86: Man trying to figure out if it holds eth on the trezor
[2017-05-04 22:55] ID=9390 Waves.86: I know it uses myethwallet
[2017-05-04 22:56] ID=9391 Rassah: I think it does
[2017-05-04 22:56] ID=9392 Waves.86: I think actual it stores the wallet on the trezor
[2017-05-04 22:56] ID=9393 Waves.86: Just uses myethwallet for transfers
[2017-05-04 22:56] ID=9394 Waves.86: I wanna know if it displays current balance
[2017-05-04 22:57] ID=9395 Waves.86: For both btc and eth
[2017-05-04 23:01] ID=9396 Waves.86: So if it's the top transaction
[2017-05-04 23:01] ID=9397 Waves.86: You have to wait for another one?
[2017-05-04 23:20] ID=9398 Rassah: I don't know. I don't have ETH and our wallet doesn't support it
[2017-05-04 23:49] ID=9399 AROMACOMPUTERS: Will it support RarePepe?
[2017-05-05 00:01] ID=9400 DoubleYouSee23: @trezortalk
[2017-05-05 00:01] ID=9401 RE_ID=9399 DoubleYouSee23: No
[2017-05-05 00:01] ID=9402 DoubleYouSee23: Maybe trezor2
[2017-05-05 00:01] ID=9403 RE_ID=9401 AROMACOMPUTERS: 😂
[2017-05-05 02:50] ID=9404 Waves.86: Ok
[2017-05-05 02:51] ID=9405 dahell a: can you guys add DASH ?
[2017-05-05 02:51] ID=9406 dahell a: its based on BTC, shouldn't be too hard
[2017-05-05 02:51] ID=9407 dahell a: lots of people like you wallet,
[2017-05-05 02:56] ID=9408 ???: Dash is a joke.
[2017-05-05 03:00] ID=9409 RE_ID=9405 DoubleYouSee23: Use Jaxx
[2017-05-05 05:36] ID=9410 RE_ID=9394 Gladpack: Myetherwallet shows your current balance for ETH and tokens and the Trezor wallet shows your BTC balance
[2017-05-05 10:43] ID=9411 RE_ID=9408 ZaCkRrr: expensive joke
[2017-05-05 10:43] ID=9412 ZaCkRrr: remember bitcoin used to be call joke also
[2017-05-05 12:44] ID=9413 javisobr: hi, I'm transmitting money between my accounts, and I want to force Mycelium to use the minimum comission that Bitcoin allows. How can I force Mycelium to use the commision I want?
[2017-05-05 12:50] ID=9414 SilverWolf8: What's SPV?
[2017-05-05 12:52] ID=9415 ZaCkRrr: It is new tv show
[2017-05-05 13:32] ID=9416 Crypt0naire: 
[2017-05-05 13:49] ID=9417 RE_ID=9412 DoubleYouSee23: Yea but dash is literally a premined scam with fake crypto. So a little different
[2017-05-05 13:50] ID=9418 RE_ID=9413 DoubleYouSee23: You can't yet choose your own fee. You just have to use one of the 4 settings available
[2017-05-05 13:50] ID=9419 RE_ID=9417 ZaCkRrr: really? bitcoin also got more than 1m premine..what makes it difference ?
[2017-05-05 13:51] ID=9420 ZaCkRrr: does Dash cretor need to gone missing to make accept it?
[2017-05-05 13:51] ID=9421 RE_ID=9418 javisobr: I see. Then I'm forced to use Electrum in order to save satoshis
[2017-05-05 13:52] ID=9422 DoubleYouSee23: It wasn't a premine. Satoshi released his paper in Oct. Then started the network in Jan. Anyone in the world could have joined. He couldn't mine by himself. It takes 2 people to mine in bitcoin. Satoshi had to wait to start the network until someone else (Hal finney) joined him.
[2017-05-05 13:53] ID=9423 DoubleYouSee23: So hopefully you can see the difference
[2017-05-05 13:56] ID=9424 RE_ID=9414 DoubleYouSee23: Simplified Payment Verification.  It's a bitcoin client that doesn't verify transactions itself, but relies on other nodes to do that work for you. Makes you wallet faster, but technically less anonymous. Plus you don't have to ha e the entire blockchain on your device
[2017-05-05 14:10] ID=9425 Waves.86: Anyone use cex.io
[2017-05-05 14:11] ID=9426 Waves.86: I'm looking to buy with credit card
[2017-05-05 14:11] ID=9427 Waves.86: Now I see two ways to buy
[2017-05-05 14:11] ID=9428 Waves.86: Either I buy in bitcoin at a rate of 1700
[2017-05-05 14:12] ID=9429 Waves.86: Or I buy ether at 1 eth 107
[2017-05-05 14:12] ID=9430 Waves.86: You think it's better to buy in ether then covert to btc
[2017-05-05 14:13] ID=9431 Waves.86: It seems better to buy ether cause the potential to grow in the short term
[2017-05-05 14:16] ID=9432 DoubleYouSee23: It's a gamble. It may work. But it may not. However we can't make that choice, you have to.
[2017-05-05 14:16] ID=9433 DoubleYouSee23: You can ask in a trading group, they'd be more informed, but take any advice with a grain. Of salt.
[2017-05-05 14:19] ID=9434 Waves.86: Yeah
[2017-05-05 14:19] ID=9435 Waves.86: You have the link
[2017-05-05 14:19] ID=9436 Waves.86: The rates suck though
[2017-05-05 14:20] ID=9437 Waves.86: But since I'm holding for 5-10 years it's not bad
[2017-05-05 14:20] ID=9438 DoubleYouSee23: @thewhaleclub is one. No affiliation with me though
[2017-05-05 14:20] ID=9439 Waves.86: 3.5% fee also is kind of bad
[2017-05-05 14:20] ID=9440 Waves.86: Doesn't exist
[2017-05-05 14:21] ID=9441 DoubleYouSee23: Oh they made it private. I can't link you to it
[2017-05-05 14:44] ID=9442 Waves.86: So I heard mycelium is allowing bitcoin purchase with credit card
[2017-05-05 14:44] ID=9443 Waves.86: Is this true
[2017-05-05 14:44] ID=9444 Rassah: Yes
[2017-05-05 14:44] ID=9445 Waves.86: What are the fees
[2017-05-05 14:45] ID=9446 Rassah: I mean, we're not, but we have a third party service that works through us that does
[2017-05-05 14:45] ID=9447 cvennekel: 10%, 5% mycelium & simplex 5% or 10$, whatever is higher
[2017-05-05 14:45] ID=9448 Waves.86: Do you have a link
[2017-05-05 14:45] ID=9449 Rassah: It's in the wallet
[2017-05-05 14:45] ID=9450 Waves.86: Oh
[2017-05-05 14:45] ID=9451 Waves.86: I have iOS
[2017-05-05 14:45] ID=9452 Rassah: Oh, sorry
[2017-05-05 14:45] ID=9453 Waves.86: Geez 10%
[2017-05-05 14:46] ID=9454 Waves.86: Anyone know a better way
[2017-05-05 14:47] ID=9455 cvennekel: https://buy.bitcoin.com/
[2017-05-05 14:47] ID=9456 cvennekel: 7,5%
[2017-05-05 14:50] ID=9457 Waves.86: Is this legit??
[2017-05-05 14:50] ID=9458 Waves.86: Does this work for USA?
[2017-05-05 14:51] ID=9459 RE_ID=9457 cvennekel: its the same as used by mycelium (simplex)
[2017-05-05 15:06] ID=9460 Waves.86: Have heard of uphold
[2017-05-05 15:12] ID=9461 DoubleYouSee23: Coinbase accepts credit cards. But you have to go through kyc aml stuff
[2017-05-05 15:17] ID=9462 Waves.86: Yeah I can't buy on there either anymore
[2017-05-05 15:17] ID=9463 Waves.86: Plus I'm trying buy like 9k
[2017-05-05 15:18] ID=9464 Waves.86: These fees I are too much
[2017-05-05 15:18] ID=9465 Waves.86: Coinbase is probably the best choice
[2017-05-05 15:18] ID=9466 Waves.86: But they blocked me
[2017-05-05 15:36] ID=9467 TheSatMan: Waves.86  why did they block you?
[2017-05-05 15:37] ID=9468 Waves.86: Cause I had recurring Buy on
[2017-05-05 15:37] ID=9469 Waves.86: And cancelled an order
[2017-05-05 15:37] ID=9470 Waves.86: I didn't want that pulled from bank account
[2017-05-05 15:38] ID=9471 Waves.86: The bitcoin was canceled but they blocked my buy
[2017-05-05 15:38] ID=9472 Waves.86: I can only sell at this point
[2017-05-05 16:02] ID=9473 Waves.86: Has anyone used buy bitcoin.com
[2017-05-05 16:09] ID=9474 ImadL: The fees are high Waves.86 , I wouldn't recommend it
[2017-05-05 16:09] ID=9475 Waves.86: It's not bad
[2017-05-05 16:10] ID=9476 Waves.86: The buy rate is why better
[2017-05-05 16:10] ID=9477 Waves.86: Way
[2017-05-05 16:10] ID=9478 Waves.86: 1 btc is 1540 on there
[2017-05-05 16:11] ID=9479 Waves.86: Cex io is 1668
[2017-05-05 16:12] ID=9480 Waves.86: Plus coinbase limits are capped
[2017-05-05 16:12] ID=9481 ImadL: 😨 suit yourself
[2017-05-05 16:12] ID=9482 ImadL: There is this new exchane too
[2017-05-05 16:12] ID=9483 ImadL: https://paybis.com/
[2017-05-05 16:12] ID=9484 ImadL: You may want to check it out.
[2017-05-05 16:13] ID=9485 ImadL: I've seen it on Bitcointalk (signature campaigns)
[2017-05-05 16:16] ID=9486 Waves.86: Lol 9.75 commission
[2017-05-05 16:16] ID=9487 Waves.86: Higher than this one
[2017-05-05 16:17] ID=9488 ImadL: 😨
[2017-05-05 16:17] ID=9489 ImadL: nvm then lol
[2017-05-05 16:18] ID=9490 Waves.86: Yeah I've looking at this from every angle
[2017-05-05 16:18] ID=9491 Waves.86: I can get cash from the card at 5%
[2017-05-05 16:18] ID=9492 Waves.86: But it's a hassle
[2017-05-05 16:19] ID=9493 Waves.86: It will be a credit charge
[2017-05-05 16:19] ID=9494 Waves.86: But I gotta jump there some hopes
[2017-05-05 16:19] ID=9495 Waves.86: Hoops
[2017-05-05 21:49] ID=9496 ryannguyen18: Gemini.com
[2017-05-05 21:50] ID=9497 ryannguyen18: Invest in Factom better than ETH
[2017-05-05 21:50] ID=9498 RE_ID=9497 ShawnLeary: What about Karmacoin, here is the best :)
[2017-05-05 21:51] ID=9499 ShawnLeary: 
[2017-05-05 21:51] ID=9500 ShawnLeary: Been awhile Ryan, how u been?
[2017-05-05 22:22] ID=9501 ryannguyen18: Busy life with 2 childrens under 2
[2017-05-05 22:23] ID=9502 ryannguyen18: Karmatoken, I still connect with East...
[2017-05-05 23:20] ID=9503 AROMACOMPUTERS: 
[2017-05-05 23:20] ID=9504 AROMACOMPUTERS: Mempool at highest ever
[2017-05-05 23:21] ID=9505 AROMACOMPUTERS: Even with ^^ mempool moon...\nI just sent 3 transactions with mycelium, back to back.  All confirmed in next block.
[2017-05-06 01:09] ID=9507 RE_ID=9505 Talon8Ya: That being said I sent two transactions and had one stuck since last night that had a higher fee than the second that got right in a block. \nIt is hit or miss not all good or all bad.
[2017-05-06 01:13] ID=9508 BB_Martino: higher fee or higher fee/kb ?
[2017-05-06 01:15] ID=9509 BB_Martino: My experience is that many things do the fee calculation incorrectly, including bitcoin core and blockchain dot info. I use the fees @ https://bitcoinfees.21.co/ - targetting the first block and it always confirms. So my overall complaint is against the TX's being expensive rather than slow.
[2017-05-06 01:17] ID=9510 BB_Martino: MyCelium has been fine in this regard except for this one time where using the High setting it almost made me spend over $80 in fees. I don't know what happened there. I changed it to Normal and it went from $80+ to $1.x
[2017-05-06 01:36] ID=9511 Cme: Miners are making good money atm based on 21.com recommended fees: \n\n{"fastestFee":280,"halfHourFee":280,"hourFee":220,"avgBits":226,"fastCost":"$0.99","halfhrCost":"$0.99","hourCost":"$0.78"}\n\nassuming 144 blocks per day at 12.5 btc is 1,800 btc ($1,538 USD) = $2,768,400 daily plus say @ 1,000 per block at @.99 144 times per day = $142,560. So, daily available for miners atm = $2,910,960
[2017-05-06 01:37] ID=9512 Cme: or $20,215 per block
[2017-05-06 01:50] ID=9513 RE_ID=9512 AROMACOMPUTERS: Eventualy, fees will be the only income for mining.  Hopefully we leave it a profitable system for when that happens.
[2017-05-06 01:51] ID=9514 Cme: roger that
[2017-05-06 01:52] ID=9515 Rassah: I see what you did there
[2017-05-06 01:53] ID=9516 RE_ID=9515 AROMACOMPUTERS: 
[2017-05-06 01:53] ID=9517 Rassah: Ver, fees, blocks
[2017-05-06 01:54] ID=9518 Rassah: Also, Miku! \o/
[2017-05-06 01:54] ID=9519 Cme: who are you chatting with Rassah?
[2017-05-06 01:55] ID=9520 RE_ID=9519 AROMACOMPUTERS: He is drinking those vrgin pina coladas again
[2017-05-06 01:55] ID=9521 RE_ID=9519 Rassah: You
[2017-05-06 01:56] ID=9522 Cme: did I calc wrong?
[2017-05-06 01:56] ID=9523 Rassah: Roger Ver?
[2017-05-06 01:56] ID=9524 Rassah: You never heard of him?
[2017-05-06 01:56] ID=9525 AROMACOMPUTERS: I think he meant like "10 4"
[2017-05-06 01:56] ID=9526 Cme: of course I have what does that have to do with my calcs?
[2017-05-06 01:56] ID=9527 Rassah: Never mind
[2017-05-06 01:57] ID=9528 AROMACOMPUTERS: 10\n4\nRoger that
[2017-05-06 01:57] ID=9529 RE_ID=9514 Rassah: Was commenting on this
[2017-05-06 01:57] ID=9530 Cme: lolz
[2017-05-06 01:57] ID=9531 Cme: hang out with too many military types lolz
[2017-05-06 01:58] ID=9532 Cme: sorry for the mis communication :)
[2017-05-06 01:58] ID=9533 Rassah: Oscar kilo
[2017-05-06 01:59] ID=9534 Cme: lol
[2017-05-06 01:59] ID=9535 Cme: I did the calcs this morning for myself and saw the conversation so I re-calc for channel.
[2017-05-06 02:05] ID=9536 RE_ID=9513 DoubleYouSee23: We have 100+ years till then, so I think we'll be fine
[2017-05-06 02:05] ID=9537 RE_ID=9536 AROMACOMPUTERS: If we dont mud it up now
[2017-05-06 02:06] ID=9538 DoubleYouSee23: 100 + years is plenty of time to demud anything
[2017-05-06 02:07] ID=9539 Cme: 2040 - 2017 = 23 years ... am I missing something here?
[2017-05-06 02:07] ID=9540 AROMACOMPUTERS: Wont be anywhere near 100 years
[2017-05-06 02:07] ID=9541 RE_ID=9539 AROMACOMPUTERS: This
[2017-05-06 02:08] ID=9542 AROMACOMPUTERS: 2028 and beyond its very little reward
[2017-05-06 02:08] ID=9543 Cme: yep
[2017-05-06 02:09] ID=9544 RE_ID=9538 AROMACOMPUTERS: This is prob what they said in congress 100+ years and 100+ Trillion $ in debt ago.   Hahaha
[2017-05-06 02:10] ID=9545 DoubleYouSee23: 2140 is the end of mining
[2017-05-06 02:11] ID=9546 DoubleYouSee23: So... over a hundred years. Not sure what happens in 2040 that you are referring to
[2017-05-06 02:11] ID=9547 AROMACOMPUTERS: 50\n25\n12.5\n6.25\n3.125\n\nGetting small!
[2017-05-06 02:12] ID=9548 DoubleYouSee23: If the value continues to rise at half the rate of is, those numbers will more than compensate
[2017-05-06 02:13] ID=9549 AROMACOMPUTERS: 2028 is just over 1.5
[2017-05-06 02:14] ID=9550 AROMACOMPUTERS: Imo\nFees (and inflated price) need to make up difference as we go
[2017-05-06 02:14] ID=9551 AROMACOMPUTERS: Or who would in their right mind mine bitcoin
[2017-05-06 02:14] ID=9552 Cme: nodes
[2017-05-06 02:15] ID=9553 DoubleYouSee23: In 2028 the price of those btc will be more than they are now. You get that right?
[2017-05-06 02:15] ID=9554 RE_ID=9553 AROMACOMPUTERS: Sure, well hopefully
[2017-05-06 02:15] ID=9555 DoubleYouSee23: Then that argument above is meaningless
[2017-05-06 02:16] ID=9556 AROMACOMPUTERS: Nomit isnt, currently a bidding market for fees exists
[2017-05-06 02:16] ID=9557 AROMACOMPUTERS: On the table currently, is removing said market
[2017-05-06 02:16] ID=9558 DoubleYouSee23: Segwit, lightning, Schmidt and whatever comes after
[2017-05-06 02:16] ID=9559 AROMACOMPUTERS: BiG difference
[2017-05-06 02:17] ID=9560 DoubleYouSee23: Schnorr...
[2017-05-06 02:17] ID=9561 AROMACOMPUTERS: Lol\nThat is th funnest named protocol yet
[2017-05-06 02:26] ID=9562 RE_ID=9545 ???: What happens when all BTC have been produced? Aren't miners still working? How transactions would be made?
[2017-05-06 02:27] ID=9563 AROMACOMPUTERS: Working for fees
[2017-05-06 02:28] ID=9564 DoubleYouSee23: that's when fees take over. But remember there is a physical limit to the speed and size of mining chips. Once that limit is reached companies will no longer hide their fastest chips. Someday soon home mining will be as fast as mining in a factory, and 1000x cheaper, so the users themselves will most likely be mining bitcoin with more ease than running a node today
[2017-05-06 02:29] ID=9565 DoubleYouSee23: People like to ignore this inevitability.
[2017-05-06 02:29] ID=9566 AROMACOMPUTERS: The energy burned is the physical limit
[2017-05-06 02:30] ID=9567 AROMACOMPUTERS: They said we couldnt print smaller than 20nm in 2008
[2017-05-06 02:30] ID=9568 DoubleYouSee23: and very soon running a miner Nx more efficient that what mining farms are using will be cheaper that running a lightbulb.
[2017-05-06 02:30] ID=9569 AROMACOMPUTERS: All kinds or articles, how its going to come to a halt
[2017-05-06 02:31] ID=9570 DoubleYouSee23: Lol, whoever said that was a fool.
[2017-05-06 02:31] ID=9571 DoubleYouSee23: There is a physical limit to the nm of a chip before electricity jumps over the circuit. We will reach that fairly soon
[2017-05-06 02:32] ID=9572 AROMACOMPUTERS: Energy will still be the limit
[2017-05-06 02:32] ID=9573 AROMACOMPUTERS: He who owns a hydrodam wins
[2017-05-06 02:33] ID=9574 RE_ID=9567 DoubleYouSee23: I believe what you are referring to is cost reduction problems,  not physical limit problems
[2017-05-06 02:33] ID=9575 AROMACOMPUTERS: Because (at current tech) it takes that much capital to get that much energy
[2017-05-06 02:34] ID=9576 DoubleYouSee23: There Is a coat issue at 28nm but no limit based on the laws of physics
[2017-05-06 02:34] ID=9577 RE_ID=9575 DoubleYouSee23: Then that's not a hard limit.
[2017-05-06 02:34] ID=9578 AROMACOMPUTERS: They hydro dams we use to mine, cost more than the market cap
[2017-05-06 02:34] ID=9579 DoubleYouSee23: that's an economic limit, and you are conflating issues
[2017-05-06 02:34] ID=9580 Rassah: Ok guys, take this to private please
[2017-05-06 02:35] ID=9581 AROMACOMPUTERS: No, im saying that the real limit to mining...\nThe energy burned
[2017-05-06 02:35] ID=9582 RE_ID=9580 AROMACOMPUTERS: Srry
[2017-05-06 02:35] ID=9583 Rassah: Too many unrelated to Mycelium posts
[2017-05-06 02:35] ID=9584 DoubleYouSee23: There is an actual, hard, physical limit to chips. Until we can make chips not build In physical reality, there is a limit. Cost is not a limit. It is a limitation.
[2017-05-06 02:36] ID=9585 RE_ID=9583 DoubleYouSee23: Sorry
[2017-05-06 02:38] ID=9586 DoubleYouSee23: We need a room to talk about btc. something is always off topic in the rooms I frequent...
[2017-05-06 02:39] ID=9587 DoubleYouSee23: @Rassah So any news on when we will get news about mycelium?
[2017-05-06 02:40] ID=9588 Rassah: Maybe tomorrow? You guys here know everything already
[2017-05-06 02:40] ID=9589 DoubleYouSee23: 
[2017-05-06 09:04] ID=9590 John Solano: None
[2017-05-06 15:03] ID=9591 Waves.86: Wtf
[2017-05-06 15:03] ID=9592 Waves.86: Why did my mt coin come back to me
[2017-05-06 15:05] ID=9593 Waves.86: I sent it on colu
[2017-05-06 15:05] ID=9594 Waves.86: It's back in my account
[2017-05-06 15:43] ID=9595 ZaCkRrr: try send to me
[2017-05-06 16:18] ID=9596 ShortFatUglyDumb: Better than it being lost.
[2017-05-06 23:05] ID=9597 jos wolterink: None
[2017-05-07 12:10] ID=9598 onFire_co: None
[2017-05-07 12:12] ID=9599 onFire_co: Hi, are there right now known serverproblems @mycelium? Since 1 hour no confirmation, but on blockexplorer already many...
[2017-05-07 12:13] ID=9600 onFire_co: ... Obset customers, have to explain
[2017-05-07 13:59] ID=9601 TheSatMan: Link? News about MyCelium?
[2017-05-07 14:09] ID=9602 Waves.86: Yeah this is bullshit
[2017-05-07 14:10] ID=9603 Waves.86: Can't even send this shit coin
[2017-05-07 14:10] ID=9604 Waves.86: It won't confirm
[2017-05-07 14:22] ID=9605 RE_ID=9599 Ivek66: Reload account  - I hade same issue
[2017-05-07 14:25] ID=9606 onFire_co: Hi Ivica, this doesn't help
[2017-05-07 14:26] ID=9607 Rassah: Try closing your wallet completely and restarting
[2017-05-07 14:27] ID=9608 Rassah: If you go to the pop-up menu, About, and Connection Logs, it will tell you which server you're connected to
[2017-05-07 14:27] ID=9609 Rassah: Closing the app and starting it again should connect you to a different one
[2017-05-07 14:27] ID=9610 onFire_co: Same... Trying restarting my phone
[2017-05-07 14:28] ID=9611 Rassah: Don't have to restart the phone, just try to connect to a different node
[2017-05-07 14:33] ID=9612 onFire_co: Thanks! You were right. That helps, but i had to manually force mycelium to shut down as you said
[2017-05-07 14:33] ID=9613 Rassah: Yeah, it tends to stay running in the background.
[2017-05-07 14:34] ID=9614 onFire_co: A reconnect-button would be fine :)
[2017-05-07 14:34] ID=9615 Rassah: With the huge amount of activity and mempool filling up, sometimes our nodes get overwhelmed and stuck a bit behind
[2017-05-07 14:34] ID=9616 onFire_co: Or a longer tip on the reconnect icon to force s server switch
[2017-05-07 14:35] ID=9617 onFire_co: Thank you anyway :) good job
[2017-05-07 14:36] ID=9618 Rassah: Or an SPV module that figures out of a server is stuck and uses a different one ;)
[2017-05-07 14:36] ID=9619 onFire_co: Even better :)
[2017-05-07 14:44] ID=9620 onFire_co: There comes another question: \nIs there a fee-Limit the local trader choses automatically? \nHad to pay 2€ for a standard tx today (620sat/byte) - i ask because i cant control this in LT
[2017-05-07 14:46] ID=9621 Rassah: It's just a normal fee, and that is affected by the byte size of your transaction. Right now the network is flooded with transactions, so it's expensive to spend, and if you had a lot of small inputs that had to be combined into a single large output, that would make it more expensive too
[2017-05-07 14:47] ID=9622 Rassah: Go to accounts tab, select your account, and from the menu select Show Unspent Outputs
[2017-05-07 14:48] ID=9623 Rassah: Or find the transaction in the list and check details to see how many inputs it had to use
[2017-05-07 14:49] ID=9624 onFire_co: This particular tx had 1 input
[2017-05-07 14:58] ID=9625 Rassah: Then it's just the network being flooded, unfortunately
[2017-05-07 16:07] ID=9626 AROMACOMPUTERS: https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/69k199/mempool_flooded_today_with_address_paying_itself/
[2017-05-07 16:07] ID=9627 Rassah: Huh, okay. It's nice that at this point these major attacks are just an annoyance and not a threat to Bitcoin in any way
[2017-05-07 17:45] ID=9628 DoubleYouSee23: I wouldn't call it an attack, they are timestamping iirc, so irritating, but not really an attack
[2017-05-08 05:24] ID=9629 ImadL: Where people
[2017-05-08 05:25] ID=9630 ImadL: are trading the Mycelium tokens?
[2017-05-08 05:25] ID=9631 CrystaBall: Here for pennies on the dollar
[2017-05-08 05:28] ID=9632 ImadL: There is no exchanges? I don't hold any personally, just asking
[2017-05-08 05:29] ID=9633 ImadL: They are ethereum tokens? (EC20) ?
[2017-05-08 05:29] ID=9634 ImadL: If not, which wallet can hold them
[2017-05-08 07:19] ID=9635 Gladpack: It's only trading on Bitsquare. It's a Bitcoin coloured coin held in Colu.
[2017-05-08 09:27] ID=9636 RE_ID=9635 thorbjorn: I've once used https://www.bitrated.com/ and am currently trying to use it again, but the problem is that actually MT can barely be sent anywhere due to the fee problem. Last time, it took several days for the transaction to confirm and this time, even though they doubled the fee to 0.0004 BTC, it's still too low for a confirmation (it's been two days now).
[2017-05-08 09:29] ID=9637 thorbjorn: (the transaction even disappeared entirely, this is the second attempt to do the same trade)
[2017-05-08 11:23] ID=9638 ZaCkRrr: Right now 0.0006btc fee is normal
[2017-05-08 11:28] ID=9639 thorbjorn: Yes, but Colu seems to be using a fixed fee, and since it is too low, you basically can't send MT anywhere for the time being.
[2017-05-08 11:28] ID=9640 favdesu: Great platform
[2017-05-08 11:28] ID=9641 favdesu: Lmao
[2017-05-08 16:49] ID=9642 Jeremygram: None
[2017-05-08 16:49] ID=9643 Jeremygram: Greetings guys
[2017-05-08 17:40] ID=9644 DoubleYouSee23: Hey
[2017-05-08 17:43] ID=9645 Jeremygram: what's goin on with the MT?
[2017-05-08 18:23] ID=9646 DoubleYouSee23: No news. Wallet integration into mycelium is slower than expected, but still being worked on. (I'm not affiliated with  Mycelium I just keep my ear to the ground)
[2017-05-09 00:19] ID=9647 Waves.86: This is stupid
[2017-05-09 00:19] ID=9648 Waves.86: Transfer reject again
[2017-05-09 00:19] ID=9649 Waves.86: Can't get rid of this shit coin
[2017-05-09 00:20] ID=9650 Waves.86: Anyone know why I can't transfer this pos
[2017-05-09 00:20] ID=9651 Jeremygram: do you guys have a suggestion what's the best thing to do with the MT? should I sell it or just hold it?
[2017-05-09 00:20] ID=9652 Waves.86: Haha doesn't matter man
[2017-05-09 00:20] ID=9653 Waves.86: Colu doesn't even process transfers
[2017-05-09 00:21] ID=9654 Waves.86: It's stuck in my account
[2017-05-09 00:22] ID=9655 Waves.86: Anyone have there transfer go through on colu
[2017-05-09 00:46] ID=9656 SJ C: @JereMyWay sorry you cant do shit with MT, but if it makes you feel any better, ALL 2500 of us can't do shit with it either
[2017-05-09 00:47] ID=9657 Jeremygram: SJ Good point, thx
[2017-05-09 00:47] ID=9658 Jeremygram: but, isn't there any hope?
[2017-05-09 00:48] ID=9659 SJ C: no, because no one is fighting to get it on any exchanges, maybe a few people having been screaming but that's about it
[2017-05-09 00:48] ID=9660 SJ C: the complacency on the exchanges is really weird
[2017-05-09 00:49] ID=9661 Jeremygram: hmm, I see😕
[2017-05-09 00:50] ID=9662 SJ C: even if it did go on an exchange there would be a big dump, development is slow, little to no community engagement besides the usual FUD here on telegram
[2017-05-09 00:51] ID=9663 SJ C: for me the windows for optimism is closing very fast
[2017-05-09 00:58] ID=9664 RE_ID=9659 DoubleYouSee23: Its not like a regular coin, it's actually a representation of a percentage of the company, so getting it listed on an exchange is not easy.
[2017-05-09 00:59] ID=9665 SJ C: that was for bittrex only, there are dozens of other exchanges, even small ones that are very lax with their rules
[2017-05-09 01:00] ID=9666 SJ C: even WAVES has a DEX now, anyone approach them?
[2017-05-09 01:00] ID=9667 SJ C: clearly there are bigger issues that we're not privy too
[2017-05-09 01:25] ID=9668 Waves.86: That fine and all
[2017-05-09 01:25] ID=9669 Waves.86: But at least have the block chain running
[2017-05-09 01:25] ID=9670 Waves.86: You can't even transfer at this point
[2017-05-09 01:25] ID=9671 Waves.86: I've tried for the past 4 days
[2017-05-09 01:25] ID=9672 Waves.86: It doesn't confirm
[2017-05-09 01:44] ID=9673 DoubleYouSee23: Have you contacted colu? they'd be the ones to talk to
[2017-05-09 11:35] ID=9674 Waves.86: Yes
[2017-05-09 11:35] ID=9675 Waves.86: Lol they said send screenshot of the error
[2017-05-09 11:36] ID=9676 Waves.86: It's no error
[2017-05-09 11:36] ID=9677 Waves.86: The fees are too low
[2017-05-09 16:01] ID=9678 Rahoos: Someone recommended a website here a while back, for getting low-fee transactions unstuck - maybe viabtc.com?
[2017-05-09 16:01] ID=9679 Rahoos: No that's not it...
[2017-05-09 16:04] ID=9680 Rahoos: Actually it was viabtc -\nwww.viabtc.com/tools/txaccelerator/
[2017-05-09 16:05] ID=9681 favdesu: viabtc are responsible for blocking features in bitcoin. think twice before you use their service
[2017-05-09 16:05] ID=9682 Rahoos: Would that work to get these colu transactions unstuck?
[2017-05-09 16:05] ID=9683 Rahoos: @favdesu Blocking what features?
[2017-05-09 16:05] ID=9684 favdesu: they're blocking segwit
[2017-05-09 16:08] ID=9685 Rahoos: Ok, I thought they were affiliated with Ver, but the tx accelerator is a free service, so using it didn't support them right? Unless you opt to pay the fee for the manual accelerator?
[2017-05-09 16:10] ID=9686 Rahoos: Oh... I wonder if using the tx accelerator basically asks for your transaction to be put into the next block in the BU chain. And what effect does that have on the bitcoin ecosystem in general?
[2017-05-09 16:12] ID=9687 Rahoos: Well, what about using the CPFP option in Mycelium - seems like @cvennekel or somebody posted a video posted recently on how to do that.
[2017-05-09 16:15] ID=9688 RE_ID=9106 Rahoos: .
[2017-05-09 17:19] ID=9689 Giszmo: Ralph as I implemented that feature I also thought of suggesting it but as colu transactions are not just bitcoin transactions I would be careful with that, to not destroy colu tokens. Also I am not versed in how colu works but somehow they will need bitcoins for the fees, so maybe there is always a colu transaction intermixed with a bitcoin transaction, so you can boost the bitcoin outputs and leave aside the colu outtputs (asuming you can tell which is which as colu uses OP_RETURN or something obvious).
[2017-05-09 17:55] ID=9690 thorbjorn: Reportedly Colu increased their fee some more, we'll try the transaction again soon.
[2017-05-09 20:44] ID=9691 Waves.86: Yes I spoke to support
[2017-05-09 20:44] ID=9692 Waves.86: They increased the fee
[2017-05-09 20:44] ID=9693 Waves.86: I'm trying later today see if it goes through
[2017-05-09 20:44] ID=9694 Waves.86: Apparently they didn't catch this before
[2017-05-09 21:37] ID=9695 sabotagebeats: Does mycelium wallet support MT yet?
[2017-05-09 21:38] ID=9696 RE_ID=9684 HostFat: And this is good :)
[2017-05-09 21:38] ID=9697 HostFat: They are promoting the increase of the block size.
[2017-05-09 21:39] ID=9698 HostFat: so cheaper and faster tx
[2017-05-09 21:39] ID=9699 HostFat: they are also promoting another client, that will give the same features as segwit but with hard fork
[2017-05-09 21:39] ID=9700 BB_Martino: inb4 block size debate on #mycelium
[2017-05-09 21:39] ID=9701 HostFat: hehe
[2017-05-10 03:23] ID=9702 KJ: Hi all, havent checked in since April. Any word on CEO , or my tokens ? Or are we confident at this point that the money is gone ?
[2017-05-10 03:32] ID=9703 DoubleYouSee23: The money itself was spent, and development is being paid out of pocket by the CEO again. colu integration (so we can hold our MT in mycelium) is taking longer than anticipated. Something to do with the way iPhones separate their apps. So it's being done, but no real eta afaik.
[2017-05-10 04:49] ID=9704 Rassah: What he said
[2017-05-10 16:58] ID=9705 bengems: None
[2017-05-10 17:01] ID=9706 bengems: I sent some bitcoin from polo to my mycelium wallet, more than 15 confirmations now yet I've not seen the coin. I've crosss checked the receiving address and it is correct. What could be the problem?
[2017-05-10 17:04] ID=9707 alloffmyhate: try to reload your account
[2017-05-10 17:05] ID=9708 bengems: I have tapped the refresh button severally and no luck
[2017-05-10 17:06] ID=9709 bengems: Even restarted my mobile device
[2017-05-10 17:24] ID=9710 Rassah: Is the transaction showing up as confirmed on a block explorer?
[2017-05-10 17:26] ID=9711 RE_ID=9710 bengems: Yes
[2017-05-10 17:26] ID=9712 bengems: 15 confirmations already
[2017-05-10 17:27] ID=9713 alloffmyhate: .__,
[2017-05-10 17:27] ID=9714 alloffmyhate: 
[2017-05-10 17:27] ID=9715 alloffmyhate: have u try it
[2017-05-10 17:27] ID=9716 alloffmyhate: reload account
[2017-05-10 17:28] ID=9717 Rassah: Android or iOS?
[2017-05-10 17:28] ID=9718 RE_ID=9717 bengems: Android
[2017-05-10 17:29] ID=9719 Rassah: Go to About it the menu and at the bottom check connection logs. Make sure you're not connecting to the same server when you restart the app
[2017-05-10 17:29] ID=9720 RE_ID=9714 bengems: Let me try
[2017-05-10 17:30] ID=9721 RE_ID=9719 bengems: Ok
[2017-05-10 17:30] ID=9722 bengems: I'll be right back
[2017-05-10 17:30] ID=9723 Rassah: No need to restart the device
[2017-05-10 17:31] ID=9724 RE_ID=9714 bengems: I tried this and it worked like magic
[2017-05-10 17:31] ID=9725 bengems: I'm so grateful guys
[2017-05-10 17:31] ID=9726 alloffmyhate: .___.
[2017-05-10 17:31] ID=9727 Rassah: K
[2017-05-10 17:31] ID=9728 alloffmyhate: yeah if i get problem like this i just reload my acoount
[2017-05-10 17:32] ID=9729 bengems: Wow
[2017-05-10 17:32] ID=9730 bengems: I almost freaked out
[2017-05-10 17:32] ID=9731 bengems: Have never experienced such before
[2017-05-10 17:33] ID=9732 bengems: Despite everything,  I believe in mycelium as the most powerful wallet, that's actually what kept me calm and seek for solution
[2017-05-10 17:34] ID=9733 bengems: I am so grateful @Rassah  and @alloffmyhate for your help and concern
[2017-05-10 17:34] ID=9734 Rassah: Thanks
[2017-05-10 17:42] ID=9735 alloffmyhate: uye
[2017-05-10 17:46] ID=9736 John Solano: 
[2017-05-11 11:14] ID=9737 RE_ID=9704 Transisto: What money are we talking about?
[2017-05-11 13:44] ID=9738 RE_ID=9737 Jeremygram: Probably the real one (fiat)
[2017-05-11 13:45] ID=9739 Jeremygram: 😶
[2017-05-11 14:43] ID=9740 RE_ID=9738 Crypt0naire: Is it "real"?
[2017-05-11 15:23] ID=9741 tomo: None
[2017-05-11 15:24] ID=9742 Jeremygram: Does wallet could affect the speed of a transaction to be confirmed?
[2017-05-11 15:25] ID=9743 tomo: Hello! Was there any payment dividends till now? I have been paritipaing in crowdsale and got little uininformed by then...
[2017-05-11 15:25] ID=9744 BB_Martino: Not sure if you're asking what I think you're asking but in most meanings yes.
[2017-05-11 15:25] ID=9745 BB_Martino: @Jeremy. @tomo: no.
[2017-05-11 15:26] ID=9746 tomo: That is real shame. Thnx @BB_Martino. Do you maybe know when will it be?
[2017-05-11 15:27] ID=9747 BB_Martino: Nope, sorry.
[2017-05-11 15:27] ID=9748 Jeremygram: Well then it's just a bad luck for me, I made a transaction 4 hours ago and still no confirmation, not even one
[2017-05-11 15:28] ID=9749 tomo: Do you at least know will it be some day?
[2017-05-11 15:28] ID=9750 tomo: Is something changed with plan from begining?
[2017-05-11 15:29] ID=9751 tomo: It should be by now as far as I know... I'm just aksking to know how much will i involve here and in development on github
[2017-05-11 15:36] ID=9752 BB_Martino: Pass.
[2017-05-11 15:38] ID=9753 tomo: Why won't you say anything about plans or dividends? Is it rude from me to aks?
[2017-05-11 15:39] ID=9754 tomo: I put 2BTC when was crowdsale
[2017-05-11 15:40] ID=9755 BB_Martino: It's not rude for you to ask. The plan was given to you though before you invested: https://wallet.mycelium.com/crowdsale.pdf
[2017-05-11 15:40] ID=9756 tomo: At least tell me where can I find some info about it if I'm not in right place
[2017-05-11 15:40] ID=9757 BB_Martino: Also: http://bitsonline.com/last-years-mycelium-crowdfund/
[2017-05-11 15:40] ID=9758 Transisto: Right now the wallet is about to be dropped by it's own investor as being too risky to use, because the company isn't comming clear with what's happening with the money raised.  You can't expect people to support a wallet after having been borderline stolen from.
[2017-05-11 15:41] ID=9759 BB_Martino: That's a bit extreme, not trusting what Rassah dev'd because the CEO spent the money and didn't get the results expected. Besides I'm using a Trezor so w/e, it couldn't steal from me even if it wanted to. But I don't expect it to try in the first place.
[2017-05-11 15:45] ID=9760 tomo: So this guy Rassah is CEO and he spent all money allready? :)
[2017-05-11 15:45] ID=9761 tomo: I heard somewhere that he's CEO
[2017-05-11 15:50] ID=9762 BB_Martino: He's not.
[2017-05-11 15:50] ID=9763 BB_Martino: He's the dev who actually got stuff done. The CEO is the guy always on business trips and finding expensive lawyers to pay and too busy to pick up the phone.
[2017-05-11 15:51] ID=9764 BB_Martino: If you would follow the link to the article you would know more.
[2017-05-11 15:53] ID=9765 ImadL: Does anyone knows why In some phones/tablets
[2017-05-11 15:53] ID=9766 ImadL: I have the SETTINGS on the top right
[2017-05-11 15:53] ID=9767 ImadL: and in others, I don't have settings at all?
[2017-05-11 15:54] ID=9768 BB_Martino: On Android, the button at the bottom opposite of return used to bring up settings in general. Then came a newer version, Android 4 or 5 I forget and then that button became a task manager and the new standard was to add the settings with the 3 vertical dots in a corner.
[2017-05-11 15:57] ID=9769 ImadL: thanks !
[2017-05-11 20:50] ID=9770 SilverWolf8: can we change mycelium colours? background?  my Android version is BLACK and my friends iOS version is WHITE - can he change his to black?
[2017-05-11 20:51] ID=9771 SilverWolf8: also what about a PIN code for the app? I recomennded the app to my friend because i think its the best,...but PIN option is missing from iOS version???? 😞
[2017-05-11 20:52] ID=9772 SilverWolf8: someone please help
[2017-05-11 21:02] ID=9773 Rassah: Can't change colors, and instead of PIN the iOS has a fingerprint lock
[2017-05-11 22:36] ID=9774 JohnnyDoe124: None
[2017-05-11 23:19] ID=9775 SilverWolf8: Wonderful thank you for the information
[2017-05-11 23:19] ID=9776 SilverWolf8: No market place either??
[2017-05-11 23:27] ID=9777 RE_ID=9776 DoubleYouSee23: sorry, what do you mean?
[2017-05-11 23:27] ID=9778 SilverWolf8: On my android mycelium wallet app I have an option to but or sell bitcoins through Mycelium market place
[2017-05-11 23:35] ID=9779 RE_ID=9776 DoubleYouSee23: So you mean there is no market on IOS then?
[2017-05-11 23:36] ID=9780 SilverWolf8: I am asking
[2017-05-11 23:36] ID=9781 SilverWolf8: My friend says he can't see it
[2017-05-11 23:36] ID=9782 SilverWolf8: No buy/sell Bitcoin button
[2017-05-11 23:38] ID=9783 DoubleYouSee23: Ah. Sorry I couldn't tell what you were getting at. If the option isn't in the setting or front page, I guess its not available. Sorry I'm not familiar with the IOS app.
[2017-05-12 00:14] ID=9784 RE_ID=9778 Rassah: No. iOS is very limited unfortunately
[2017-05-12 00:14] ID=9785 Rassah: The OS itself is very limited. And we don't have anyone working on iOS right now (again)
[2017-05-12 00:16] ID=9786 DoubleYouSee23: Were you able to find one codebase that works for android and IOS or is it back to being 2 seperate projects?
[2017-05-12 00:20] ID=9787 Rassah: Two separate since last June
[2017-05-12 00:21] ID=9788 Rassah: Or July...
[2017-05-12 00:21] ID=9789 Rassah: That's when we found out that iOS doesn't let you separate memory spaces in the same app, so any plugin would have access to all your wallet information, including private keys.
[2017-05-12 11:34] ID=9790 Waves.86: Transactions are working on colu again
[2017-05-12 11:34] ID=9791 Waves.86: I was able to send
[2017-05-12 12:54] ID=9792 SilverWolf8: I guess my message to my friend should be - if you want to be a bitcoin investor and enthusiast, you should highly consider getting an android device.....does that sound right?
[2017-05-12 13:32] ID=9793 thorbjorn: No, Bitcoin works fine on iOS regardless of whether apps can set up separate memory spaces for plugins...
[2017-05-12 17:33] ID=9794 Rassah: You'll just have to use services separately instead of through your iOS app
[2017-05-12 17:33] ID=9795 Rassah: Oh, but you do need Android if you want to use hardware wallets on your phone
[2017-05-12 18:03] ID=9796 thorbjorn: Hmm, that's quite a shortcoming...
[2017-05-12 18:21] ID=9797 Penlop: None
[2017-05-12 18:22] ID=9798 Penlop: Is the local market place down? Can't load ads check my ads or place new ones. Is it my phone or what?
[2017-05-12 18:27] ID=9799 jandreske: I don't see any ads either, and trade history does not load.
[2017-05-12 18:34] ID=9800 RE_ID=9799 Penlop: Me too
[2017-05-12 18:40] ID=9801 Penlop: It's back. What happened?
[2017-05-12 18:46] ID=9802 Rassah: Server ran out of ram, we rebooted
[2017-05-12 19:10] ID=9803 jandreske: So the backend is leaking memory?
[2017-05-12 19:11] ID=9804 Rassah: Just got overloaded
[2017-05-12 19:16] ID=9805 AROMACOMPUTERS: Needz more ram
[2017-05-12 20:05] ID=9806 RE_ID=9796 SilverWolf8: Yes read my message again, I said I should tell him to highly consider getting an Android device for Bitcoin...not that it's impossible on iOS but many Shortcomings for sure yes
[2017-05-12 20:16] ID=9807 RE_ID=9806 thorbjorn: Right, but it was in response to the situation with application plugins, which I considered a strange reason to recommend Android. But I consider working hardware wallets rather essential.
[2017-05-12 20:23] ID=9808 SilverWolf8: Also no market place to buy or sell bitcoins with the iOS version
[2017-05-12 20:23] ID=9809 thorbjorn: Not even Coinbase?
[2017-05-12 20:23] ID=9810 SilverWolf8: Mycelium market place
[2017-05-12 20:23] ID=9811 SilverWolf8: Buy sell directly in app
[2017-05-12 20:23] ID=9812 thorbjorn: Local Trader?
[2017-05-12 20:24] ID=9813 SilverWolf8: I think you don't understand
[2017-05-12 20:24] ID=9814 SilverWolf8: 
[2017-05-12 20:24] ID=9815 SilverWolf8: See the bell/sell  button on the android app?
[2017-05-12 20:25] ID=9816 thorbjorn: Yeah I have it, though I disabled everything except Local Trader.
[2017-05-12 20:25] ID=9817 thorbjorn: I don't know why you would buy Bitcoin in an app... but I guess some people find it useful. I'd have reservations about the fees.
[2017-05-12 20:25] ID=9818 SilverWolf8: my point is this is not available on the iOS version, neither is color changing the background from white to black, nor PIN code, nor support for Trezor or any hardware wallet
[2017-05-12 20:26] ID=9819 SilverWolf8: yes I also dont buy with the app, but im trying to help a newbie with an iphone
[2017-05-12 20:26] ID=9820 SilverWolf8: hence my reason for wanting to suggest an android device to him
[2017-05-12 20:26] ID=9821 thorbjorn: Maybe there's a better wallet for iOS than Mycelium?
[2017-05-12 20:26] ID=9822 SilverWolf8: Mycelium wallet is much more user friendly on the Android version
[2017-05-12 20:26] ID=9823 SilverWolf8: so frustrating with apple products that is my point
[2017-05-12 20:27] ID=9824 SilverWolf8: I have never owned an apple product and never will...and i wil never recommend one to anyone
[2017-05-12 20:27] ID=9825 thorbjorn: I think both iOS and Android suck.
[2017-05-12 20:28] ID=9826 thorbjorn: On iOS Apple tells you what you can or can't do, and on Android Google tells you what you can or can't do.
[2017-05-12 20:28] ID=9827 RE_ID=9825 SilverWolf8: what what OS do you use on your smart phone?
[2017-05-12 20:29] ID=9828 SilverWolf8: Remember, the topic here is Mycelium, the name of the chat room
[2017-05-12 20:29] ID=9829 thorbjorn: Android, because it's still the "more free" side. But a tracker blocker is only available on iOS, because Google doesn't allow that.
[2017-05-12 20:30] ID=9830 thorbjorn: Yes, but I didn't have Bitcoin when I bought my phone, so it didn't play a role in the decision. :P
[2017-05-12 20:30] ID=9831 RE_ID=9825 SilverWolf8: yes they both such, but I will recommend Android over iOS any day...and it seems you agree because thats what you use as well
[2017-05-12 20:30] ID=9832 RE_ID=9830 SilverWolf8: so now you would buy an iPhone for bitcoin use???
[2017-05-12 20:31] ID=9833 thorbjorn: No, but I wouldn't recommend somebody who already has an iPhone to buy an Android phone for Bitcoin...
[2017-05-12 20:31] ID=9834 RE_ID=9833 SilverWolf8: why not? you can get a used android device very cheap....like an older tablet, if they already have a phone
[2017-05-12 20:31] ID=9835 thorbjorn: You don't need to buy Bitcoin in an app, and you don't need to keep your Bitcoin savings on your phone either, in which case a hardware wallet is overkill.
[2017-05-12 20:31] ID=9836 thorbjorn: I would not find it worth the hassle and just use whatever iOS does have available.
[2017-05-12 20:32] ID=9837 SilverWolf8: Mycelium on iOS sucks
[2017-05-12 20:32] ID=9838 SilverWolf8: here we are faitful to Mycelium
[2017-05-12 20:32] ID=9839 SilverWolf8: so, Android it is! 😊
[2017-05-12 20:33] ID=9840 thorbjorn: I sold a colleague 10 EUR in Bitcoin and just had him install Mycelium on iOS. But now that I know how limited it is, I do wonder if there are better wallets on iOS.
[2017-05-12 20:33] ID=9841 thorbjorn: Anyway, for newbies, limited functionality can be a plus... :P
[2017-05-12 20:41] ID=9842 AROMACOMPUTERS: Does GEAR have an option to set, to request a payment ++ specify the premium fee?
[2017-05-12 20:43] ID=9843 RE_ID=9829 Rassah: What's a tracker blocker?
[2017-05-12 20:44] ID=9844 thorbjorn: Ah, I'm not sure exactly how it works, either a proxy or a browser plugin that blocks websites that track you.
[2017-05-12 20:44] ID=9845 RE_ID=9843 AROMACOMPUTERS: Is that like the bullet blocker for hacked cable?
[2017-05-12 20:44] ID=9846 thorbjorn: https://better.fyi/
[2017-05-12 20:45] ID=9847 Rassah: Ah. I just use Orbot
[2017-05-12 20:45] ID=9848 RE_ID=9844 AROMACOMPUTERS: You need to manually setup/pay for, multiple hops, through vpn & vps
[2017-05-12 20:55] ID=9849 thorbjorn: Aral, the developer of Better, is very much on Apple's side rather than Google, because Apple's business model is not to farm you whereas Google's business model is. That's just why I think there is currently not really a "best side" to be on. Anyway.
[2017-05-13 03:52] ID=9850 Waves.86: Does my trezor have to connected to send money to it
[2017-05-13 04:09] ID=9851 GuerraMoneta: Waves.86 no all you need is a bitcoin receive address from your trezor
[2017-05-13 04:10] ID=9852 Waves.86: Ok thanks
[2017-05-13 04:10] ID=9853 GuerraMoneta: When you plug it in later you will see the bitcoin you sent
[2017-05-13 04:11] ID=9854 Waves.86: Man how do I test the recovery key
[2017-05-13 05:38] ID=9855 Rassah: You can test it using Trezor's restore site
[2017-05-13 05:39] ID=9856 Rassah: But if it's generating the right public addresses, it should be generating the right private ones
[2017-05-13 18:44] ID=9859 RE_ID=9858 AROMACOMPUTERS: Nice scam
[2017-05-13 18:44] ID=9860 AROMACOMPUTERS: Obviously double back is legit!
[2017-05-13 18:46] ID=9861 RE_ID=9858 Crypt0naire: Sad that maximum is 10 Bitcoin. I just wanted to invest 20. Very sad that I can not participate in your offer.
[2017-05-13 18:47] ID=9862 Anomaly: Only double return? I need at least triple. Have to pass here, too! 😆
[2017-05-13 20:14] ID=9863 Gladpack: Is it possible to import the private keys from blockchain.info to Mycelium to use CPFP on a stuck transaction?
[2017-05-13 20:14] ID=9864 Gladpack: Or does CPFP only work on transactions made by Mycelium?
[2017-05-13 20:18] ID=9865 thorbjorn: Anybody receiving coins from a transaction can make a CPFP transaction by turning part of the coins he is receiving into a fee for the new transaction.
[2017-05-13 20:36] ID=9866 Gladpack: And Mycelium supports this function even if the transaction wasn't made using their servers? I guess it should :)
[2017-05-13 20:38] ID=9867 thorbjorn: RIght, all it should need is a private key matching one of the output addresses of the transaction.
[2017-05-13 20:48] ID=9868 Gladpack: Cool, thanks!
[2017-05-13 21:12] ID=9869 Rassah: Only issue is we don't know if blockchain.info uses the same standards for private key as Mycelium
[2017-05-13 21:15] ID=9870 Crypt0naire: I can't access a Electrum offline wallet made inside Tails with Mycelium sadly
[2017-05-13 21:16] ID=9871 Crypt0naire: And I would never use the Electrum Android wallet. It's so bad unbelievable. It crashes all the time too. I will always stick with Mycelium
[2017-05-14 01:47] ID=9872 Rassah: Electrum uses a non standard private key derivation from the seed, so you can't restore an Electrum backup to anything but Electrum
[2017-05-14 02:17] ID=9873 DoubleYouSee23: @rassah, can you recommend a decent computer wallet?
[2017-05-14 02:18] ID=9874 AROMACOMPUTERS: bitcoin-qt
[2017-05-14 02:57] ID=9875 RE_ID=9872 Crypt0naire: They are so stupid!
[2017-05-14 03:26] ID=9876 RE_ID=9873 Rassah: Not really. Nothing is safe enough to protect your private keys in memory
[2017-05-14 07:05] ID=9877 Gladpack: Use Armory to keep your keys offline
[2017-05-14 07:09] ID=9878 AROMACOMPUTERS: Ive heard 👍 & 👎 about Armory
[2017-05-14 08:16] ID=9879 alloffmyhate: .___> buy trezor :v
[2017-05-14 10:43] ID=9880 Rassah: Trezor or Ledger is your best bet
[2017-05-14 11:48] ID=9881 BB_Martino: +1
[2017-05-14 13:51] ID=9882 Crypt0naire: Make a offline Paperwallet via a Amnesic live system. That's safe
[2017-05-14 15:38] ID=9883 SilverWolf8: https://themerkle.com/bitcoin-wallets-at-risk-due-to-keylogger-embedded-hp-laptop-audio-driver/
[2017-05-14 21:16] ID=9884 Waves.86: The one attack I was reading was
[2017-05-14 21:17] ID=9885 Waves.86: Let's say the FBI shuts down trezor
[2017-05-14 21:17] ID=9886 Waves.86: And force them to backdoor firmware
[2017-05-14 21:17] ID=9887 Waves.86: We are all screwed
[2017-05-14 21:32] ID=9888 Rassah: I don't update my Trezor firmware very often
[2017-05-14 22:29] ID=9889 ShortFatUglyDumb: Trezor is based in Czech Republic (I think).
[2017-05-14 22:30] ID=9890 SilverWolf8: Yes development by a Slovak Pavol Rusnak
[2017-05-14 22:31] ID=9891 SilverWolf8: American law doesn't apply there.
[2017-05-14 22:34] ID=9892 RE_ID=9891 AROMACOMPUTERS: I assume u.s. has an air force base there.\nProtection is always a great starting point for negotiation.
[2017-05-14 22:35] ID=9893 AROMACOMPUTERS: #dontcountonpoliticians
[2017-05-14 22:57] ID=9894 GB: Why would you install some closed source firmware upgrade?  Anyone who does deserves what they get
[2017-05-15 03:58] ID=9895 pairmike: None
[2017-05-15 22:28] ID=9896 franull: Latest Mycelium update: donation button removed
[2017-05-15 23:49] ID=9897 DoubleYouSee23: IIRC its said that for awhile. I'm curious what the update actually was.
[2017-05-15 23:52] ID=9898 RE_ID=9896 AROMACOMPUTERS: Why?
[2017-05-15 23:53] ID=9899 Rassah: Go to menu > about > changelog
[2017-05-15 23:54] ID=9900 Rassah: No idea why it showed the old one
[2017-05-16 01:00] ID=9901 DoubleYouSee23: Pretty sure the play store has said the same thing for the last year.
[2017-05-16 07:06] ID=9902 ChrisB17: None
[2017-05-16 15:00] ID=9903 rmadras: what ever happend to MT tokens?  Is that the worst investment of all time?
[2017-05-16 15:55] ID=9905 SilverWolf8: None
[2017-05-16 17:23] ID=9906 RE_ID=9903 CrystaBall: All gone
[2017-05-16 17:39] ID=9907 SJ C: money all gone, no new wallet, cant get rid of the tokens, so yes for the worst token investment by far
[2017-05-16 17:39] ID=9908 SJ C: for me
[2017-05-16 17:40] ID=9909 SJ C: but at least the wallet works
[2017-05-16 17:40] ID=9910 SJ C: trying to stay positive
[2017-05-16 18:21] ID=9911 RE_ID=9907 CrystaBall: I buy for 10 cents
[2017-05-16 18:47] ID=9912 SJ C: go buy a gumball, at least it will taste good
[2017-05-16 19:52] ID=9913 Transisto: "The fastest and cheapest transaction fee is currently 390 satoshis/byte" Mycelium normal at 216sat
[2017-05-16 22:12] ID=9914 Transisto: Mycelium servers seems to have problem, many reports of "Unable to broadcast"
[2017-05-16 23:02] ID=9915 KJ: Hey guys I need a hand @Rassah . I sent a transaction normal but for some reason it sent at 0.0001 fee. I sent more btc to the wallet to bump it up via Mycelium app but it says "unable to build transaction"
[2017-05-16 23:03] ID=9916 BB_Martino: There's a "Bump it up" feature now?
[2017-05-16 23:03] ID=9917 KJ: When I choose CPFP.. anyone know why ?
[2017-05-16 23:03] ID=9918 KJ: Yeah on the new update.. my transaction has been pending for 24hrs.
[2017-05-16 23:03] ID=9919 BB_Martino: Many have complained about unable to submit/unable to build - a server is probably behind
[2017-05-16 23:04] ID=9920 KJ: Ah so this is a common problem .. does anyone have any other solution on how to bump a fee without using the feature in Mycelium
[2017-05-16 23:05] ID=9921 BB_Martino: There is, I'm just not sure if it's a good idea to do unless you know what you're doing... also if there's no change address involved and you're not sending to yourself then CPFP would be impossible.
[2017-05-16 23:08] ID=9922 BB_Martino: https://iancoleman.github.io/bip39/ can help to grab the privkey for the change address and you can use that to send another TX. Not sure about how to do the second part correctly because I use my own script to build transactions. I would advise against entering your seed/mnemonic outside of MyCelium. Better to wait, the MyCelium guys are probably working on fixing it. A node sync can take 12+ hours easily :(
[2017-05-16 23:58] ID=9923 KJ: Thanks. The fee got sent with 0.0001 which means it stuck in limbo
[2017-05-16 23:58] ID=9924 KJ: So not sure what to do
[2017-05-16 23:58] ID=9925 KJ: Even tho I chose normal priority
[2017-05-17 00:01] ID=9926 BB_Martino: That sucks. Every now and then the fee calc is messed up. I've only experienced it once but it almost made me spend $80 on a tx for no reason.
[2017-05-17 00:08] ID=9927 KJ: Is there any solution? I just head to rebroadcast with a higher fee
[2017-05-17 00:08] ID=9928 KJ: Need*
[2017-05-17 00:09] ID=9929 BB_Martino: I've never seen or used that feature. If MyCelium sends with RBF and they have a feature then it would be possible I guess (if their servers are up to date with the blockchain and online)
[2017-05-17 00:29] ID=9930 Giszmo: on the android wallet you can bump the fee with CPFP
[2017-05-17 00:30] ID=9931 BB_Martino: that's CPFP... re-broadcasting the same TX with the same inputs is a different thing.
[2017-05-17 00:30] ID=9932 Giszmo: if you see a transaction that shows a $80 fee "for no reason", please contact us! We have seen many high fee transactions but usually they were "ok" as they consumed many outputs which made them huge in size.
[2017-05-17 00:31] ID=9933 RE_ID=9930 DoubleYouSee23: only if you (the sender) received change from the transaction.
[2017-05-17 00:31] ID=9934 BB_Martino: Leo: it happened many months ago. I'm using MyCelium with the Trezor. I would always select the highest fee possible. Once, just before clicking the final OK on the trezor I noticed that the fee was $80 worth of BTC. I cancelled, requested the same transfer again this time with "Normal priority" and it went from $80 worth to $1.x worth.
[2017-05-17 00:32] ID=9935 Giszmo: right. but that is almost always the case. Either you paid a bill in which case you probably don't have a UTXO with the exact amount, or you paid "all" in which case you probably moved the funds to another of your wallets. It's really rarely not the case that you have a change output when you need one.
[2017-05-17 00:35] ID=9936 Giszmo: @BB_Martino interestingly there are cases where the reverse would happen but both can happen. If you have many UTXOs, paying a higher fee can result in the need for more UTXOs, with no big UTXOs left, so it would pick many small UTXOs, increasing the size. But as the "priority" setting is controlling the sat/B and not the absolute fee, you might also end up with a higher absolute fee when picking a lower priority because it consumes again more UTXOs to comply with the desired lower sat/B.
[2017-05-17 00:36] ID=9937 Giszmo: In general, Mycelium has a tendency to accumulate dust, so people panic when they are used to low fees as they always had 1in/2out transactions but when they try to send all funds, they have 100in/1out and the fees are huge.
[2017-05-17 00:37] ID=9938 Giszmo: I'd like to make the user experience more smooth by in total increasing the fee slightly bu never increasing always burning at least 2in. Feels wrong, too but there is no clearly right way to fix this.
[2017-05-17 00:39] ID=9939 Giszmo: One thing that could help though would be if miners would reward reducing the UTXO set.
[2017-05-17 00:39] ID=9940 Giszmo: They definitely should
[2017-05-17 04:44] ID=9941 WACOMalt: Hey guys. I'm trying to do a Fee Bump on a transaction and it crashes the app
[2017-05-17 07:05] ID=9942 RE_ID=9941 cvennekel: Do you have a Txid?
[2017-05-17 07:06] ID=9943 WACOMalt: https://blockchain.info/tx/4c299c7bd5611a6e32070cc3c025c10cbdc9cf229bee518ae85509cd8811e871
[2017-05-17 07:06] ID=9944 WACOMalt: I already did a new transaction as a double spend to cancel this though
[2017-05-17 07:07] ID=9945 WACOMalt: After fee bump didn't work
[2017-05-17 14:39] ID=9946 WACOMalt: and that new txn is also stuck for 12 hours with a 410 sat/B fee
[2017-05-17 17:32] ID=9947 Jeremygram: 410 sat/Byte? Isn't it supposed to be fast?
[2017-05-17 17:39] ID=9948 Giszmo: Wait, which TX is stuck for more than 3 blocks with 410sat/B?
[2017-05-17 17:43] ID=9949 BB_Martino: Yes, that doesn't sound right
[2017-05-17 17:43] ID=9950 BB_Martino: If it's good information, then I have a bet that one of the inputs hasn't confirmed yet.
[2017-05-17 17:44] ID=9951 BB_Martino: If you did CPFP, you need to pay for BOTH tx's, so if the quick confirm time is 400+ s/B then you'd need to use 800+ s/B to cover both.
[2017-05-17 18:22] ID=9952 thorbjorn: Does Mycelium take that into account automatically?
[2017-05-17 21:23] ID=9953 Giszmo: @BB_Martino when you used CPFP in Mycelium, the parent fee is considered. So assume you want to bump a parent of same size, that paid x, while 2x would have been "priority", then bumping costs 3x (1x for the parent and 2x for the bumping child). The Mycelium feature does not consider chains of unconfirmed and neither if others already bumped the transaction.
[2017-05-17 21:49] ID=9954 BB_Martino: Oh ok, thanks for the info. I haven't updated yet so I don't know anything about MyCelium bumps but it's good to know the basics.
[2017-05-17 22:11] ID=9955 rodomonte: magnet:?xt=urn:btih:9f4fd5f8009ba363b480e95166097536ea759398&dn=Pirates+of+the+Caribbean+2017+BluRay+x264+XviD-ETRG&tr=udp%3A%2F%2Ftracker.leechers-paradise.org%3A6969&tr=udp%3A%2F%2Fzer0day.ch%3A1337&tr=udp%3A%2F%2Fopen.demonii.com%3A1337&tr=udp%3A%2F%2Ftracker.coppersurfer.tk%3A6969&tr=udp%3A%2F%2Fexodus.desync.com%3A6969
[2017-05-17 22:11] ID=9956 AROMACOMPUTERS: Ummmmm. Huh?
[2017-05-17 22:11] ID=9957 BB_Martino: harr!
[2017-05-17 22:20] ID=9958 RE_ID=9957 rodomonte: 👍
[2017-05-17 22:36] ID=9959 Crypt0naire: Segwit activation soonish imo
[2017-05-18 09:13] ID=9960 tutakamime_a: .
[2017-05-18 13:26] ID=9961 Transisto: How much would it cost to outsource integration of RBF into Mycelium? I'd be ready to chip in.
[2017-05-18 15:01] ID=9962 Obascojoy: None
[2017-05-18 15:04] ID=9963 Obascojoy: How can I get my transaction confirm quick on mycelium using coinapult USD?
[2017-05-18 15:06] ID=9964 jandreske: You want to send a transaction from a coinapult usd account out, and have that one confirm fast?
[2017-05-18 15:08] ID=9965 RE_ID=9964 Obascojoy: No, I don't know how to make it confirm fast, cos am new to mycelium
[2017-05-18 15:08] ID=9966 jandreske: But what kind of transaction? Sending money into a coinapult usd account in mycelium? Or out?
[2017-05-18 15:09] ID=9967 RE_ID=9966 Obascojoy: Sending out
[2017-05-18 15:09] ID=9968 Obascojoy: If have know, I would have use HD account
[2017-05-18 15:10] ID=9969 Obascojoy: Now I don't know how long my transaction will be confirm
[2017-05-18 15:11] ID=9970 jandreske: The only way to make that confirm faster would be to use CPFP. If you are the receiver of that transaction you can do it yourself, otherwise the receiver would need to do it.
[2017-05-18 15:12] ID=9971 RE_ID=9970 Obascojoy: The option is only in HD account, its not on coinapult USD account
[2017-05-18 15:12] ID=9972 Obascojoy: Can it be reverse back if it take too long?
[2017-05-18 15:15] ID=9973 Rassah: If you received the money into your Mycelium Wallet, you can do it from Mycelium
[2017-05-18 19:47] ID=9974 Obascojoy: 
[2017-05-18 19:48] ID=9975 Obascojoy: This is my transaction since morning, which is still hanging
[2017-05-18 19:49] ID=9976 Obascojoy: From coinapult USD, how long will it use to reverse back if it didn't go to the wallet i send it to?
[2017-05-18 23:24] ID=9977 jandreske: There is nothing like "reversing". The only thing that could happen would be that it never confirms, and whether that is likely depends on whether coinapult rebroadcasts the transaction, what the fee is, etc. \n\nCPFP could be used at the receiving side of that transaction. \nYou could contact coinapult support, complain about the fee and ask for a CPFP on the change of the transaction to be made. (if there is change)
[2017-05-19 11:56] ID=9978 Transisto: Or ask Mycelium to implement RBF
[2017-05-19 12:46] ID=9979 RE_ID=9978 Obascojoy: What's RBF?
[2017-05-19 12:48] ID=9980 Transisto: Replace By Fee, a feature that's like more than a year old and allow to replace a transaction with one with a higher fee after the fact.
[2017-05-19 12:51] ID=9981 Obascojoy: Can I write to support with this suggestion?
[2017-05-19 12:52] ID=9982 jandreske: The transaction out of the coinapult account is done by coinapult, so it is not possible to rbf that one. Coinapult would need to do it.
[2017-05-19 13:36] ID=9983 RE_ID=9982 Obascojoy: So how will I do it, should I wait for coinapult till d issue is solved?
[2017-05-19 13:38] ID=9984 jandreske: As I said, whoever is receiving the transaction can do CPFP on it. Other option is to contact coinapult.
[2017-05-19 15:28] ID=9985 dmp1ce: Is the Tor node up? My wallet isn't able to connect.
[2017-05-19 18:52] ID=9986 Rassah: Seems to work ok
[2017-05-19 22:29] ID=9987 dmp1ce: Maybe Tor isn't connecting to BitcoinAverage.com for me.
[2017-05-20 04:29] ID=9988 RE_ID=9984 Transisto: Not true, anyone who hasn't spent the entire exact amount away can CPFP,  even if you have one penny worth in change left from that transaction you can CPFP it.
[2017-05-20 04:46] ID=9989 Transisto: that mean be carefull with that MAX button
[2017-05-20 06:53] ID=9990 RE_ID=9988 jandreske: Yeah, but when sending out of a coinapult account, your wallet is not the one making the transaction. Coinapult does. \nThat is why I said the other option is to contact coinapult. They could CPFP the change of the transaction, if they wanted to.
[2017-05-20 07:37] ID=9991 Obascojoy: 
[2017-05-20 07:38] ID=9992 Obascojoy: D money I received was removed and I saw cpfp on the transaction, did it mean my money is gone?
[2017-05-20 08:22] ID=9993 Obascojoy: Pls can anybody help
[2017-05-20 08:22] ID=9994 Obascojoy: There support are not responding
[2017-05-20 08:56] ID=9995 RE_ID=9994 tutakamime_a: Lol.. No one will respond.. To you cause you caused your own downfall
[2017-05-20 09:00] ID=9996 RE_ID=9995 Obascojoy: I didn't, when I pumb it, it brought 4$
[2017-05-20 09:01] ID=9997 Obascojoy: Its not possible to ask for d same amount I received
[2017-05-20 09:01] ID=9998 Obascojoy: So is dere no solution?
[2017-05-20 09:09] ID=9999 tutakamime_a: Welcome  to the digital  world.... Where  transactions  are irreversible
[2017-05-20 09:09] ID=10000 tutakamime_a: Only way you can get them back is if.... The person  that took it agree  to return
[2017-05-20 09:50] ID=10001 Obascojoy: Have written to the support, my money have been reversed back to my wallet.
[2017-05-20 09:59] ID=10002 tutakamime_a: Nice
[2017-05-20 11:06] ID=10003 ImadL: Any news about the colu and SPV upgrade?
[2017-05-20 11:45] ID=10004 Frankffm17: Is somebody Interested in a celium Investment? I have two mt. Tx for Feedback
[2017-05-20 14:54] ID=10005 RE_ID=10003 Rassah: Put on slight hold as we deal with server flood issue. We're having trouble managing all the stress on the bitcoin network with so many transactions and mempool flood. Keeping the wallets functional is #1 priority right now.
[2017-05-20 18:31] ID=10006 thorbjorn: 👍
[2017-05-20 18:34] ID=10007 Frankffm17: Any News about notice via bittrex or Polo?
[2017-05-20 18:35] ID=10008 AROMACOMPUTERS: BTC/USD Ticker (24H BTC Vol)\nBitfinex: $2,025.90 (21,013)\nGDAX    : $2,015.94 (13,438)\nBitstamp: $1,974.01 (13,177)\nGemini  : $2,004.94 (6,354)\nKraken  : $2,002.42 (6,159)\nBTC-e   : $1,969.30 (5,809)\nOKCoin  : $2,063.20 (3,994)\nitBit   : $2,002.01 (1,443)\nQuoine  : $1,985.00 (495)\n------------------------\nVolWgtPr: $2,007.40, (71,882)\n2017-05-20 18:35:29(UTC)
[2017-05-20 18:36] ID=10009 AROMACOMPUTERS: 
[2017-05-20 18:48] ID=10010 SJ C: anyone knows what happens if wallet.trezor.io goes down, or if trezor ceases to exist as a company, is there any other way to access and use the trezor device?
[2017-05-20 18:49] ID=10011 ImadL: SJ  https://doc.satoshilabs.com/trezor-faq/threats.html#what-happens-if-the-satoshilabs-shuts-down
[2017-05-20 18:49] ID=10012 ImadL: absolutely nothing to be worried about
[2017-05-20 18:55] ID=10013 SJ C: ah brilliant, thank you Imad
[2017-05-20 19:03] ID=10014 ShawnLeary: community would take over
[2017-05-20 19:26] ID=10015 RE_ID=10010 Rassah: Add Trezor to your Mycelium Wallet (if you use Android), and you'll always be able to use it
[2017-05-20 19:57] ID=10016 RE_ID=10015 bilbma: Any smartphone with OnToGo? I have a doogee T3 but  don't work
[2017-05-20 20:19] ID=10017 Rassah: I don't know what any of those mean
[2017-05-20 22:29] ID=10018 dmp1ce: Using Tor with Mycelium, I cannot get a price check using any BitcoinAverage, Kraken or Coinbase.
[2017-05-20 22:35] ID=10019 BB_Martino: I assume that's due to cloudflare presentin the captcha / JS check to your TOR ip
[2017-05-20 22:36] ID=10020 BB_Martino: Not sure about the solution though. With Trezor's wallet you can just load bitcore1.trezor.io in a separate tab, pass the captcha and go back to using it.
[2017-05-20 22:56] ID=10022 Rassah: The prices are grabbed on our servers, not through Tor
[2017-05-20 22:56] ID=10023 Rassah: We're still having issues with network flood. Some of our servers are locking up sometimes.
[2017-05-20 23:52] ID=10024 RE_ID=10009 Jeremygram: TO THE MOON...
[2017-05-21 02:57] ID=10025 SJ C: @Rassah yes thanks, mycelium would be my first choice probably
[2017-05-21 03:15] ID=10026 alloffmyhate: 🙊
[2017-05-21 20:06] ID=10027 Henry164: None
[2017-05-22 05:58] ID=10028 Henry164: Hi
[2017-05-22 07:55] ID=10029 alloffmyhate: hi
[2017-05-22 09:19] ID=10030 bilbma: Why mycelium wallet don't update the bitcoin price in real time?
[2017-05-22 09:22] ID=10031 cvennekel: because then every user would query the services, essentially spamming them
[2017-05-22 11:40] ID=10032 bilbma: I am not spam,you?
[2017-05-22 11:54] ID=10033 cvennekel: me neither
[2017-05-22 11:55] ID=10034 cvennekel: but rather than our server asking the service for the current rate having 250.000 end devices ask them directly every second might be unnecessary none the less
[2017-05-22 11:55] ID=10035 cvennekel: to them it would look like a ddos
[2017-05-22 12:17] ID=10036 bilbma: 👍
[2017-05-22 15:11] ID=10037 dmp1ce: I'm still getting the issue using Tor. I created an issue on Github here: https://github.com/mycelium-com/wallet/issues/355
[2017-05-22 15:45] ID=10038 Lekandi: None
[2017-05-22 15:46] ID=10039 Lekandi: What's everyone using now to cash out btc in a sepa transfer?
[2017-05-22 15:48] ID=10040 thorbjorn: Maybe http://AnyCoinDirect.eu
[2017-05-22 16:41] ID=10041 RE_ID=10040 Lekandi: Have you ever used them for anything? I guess I can try a small amount and see if it works
[2017-05-22 17:51] ID=10042 RE_ID=10041 thorbjorn: My brother used it to sell a bit. I have generally used bitonic.nl for buying/selling.
[2017-05-23 04:08] ID=10043 RE_ID=9991 Giszmo: Glad it's resolved but we didn't do a thing about it. I had implemented the CPFP feature and maybe I missed something where the wallet would not recognize the transaction as going from itself to itself in some corner case, as in my tests it never did that
[2017-05-23 04:12] ID=10044 RE_ID=10018 Giszmo: I'm looking into this and hope DanielW can help me there, as I can't find error logs and can only guess it's some timeout issue that doesn't even hit the server.
[2017-05-24 03:22] ID=10045 Transisto: Just reporting on competition update, SamouraiWallet
[2017-05-24 03:22] ID=10046 Transisto: "- enter your own custom fee (sat/b)\n- list current miner fees in use\n- check proof-of-work when using trusted node\n- can spend via your choice of trusted full node\n- improved link to http://paymentcode.io - Tor/Orbot improvements"
[2017-05-24 05:16] ID=10047 Rassah: I don't know if spending using your trusted node is important. Checking your balances is. Spending I still think you're better off doing from a public node
[2017-05-24 07:08] ID=10048 BB_Martino: a sat/B setting would be nice though, especially pulling data from bitcoinfees.21.co
[2017-05-24 14:35] ID=10049 Lekandi: Anyone else getting spammed by cashila now for a crowdsale bs?
[2017-05-24 14:46] ID=10050 RE_ID=10049 Crypt0naire: What are they planning?
[2017-05-24 14:46] ID=10051 Crypt0naire: I was sad when they stopped their service
[2017-05-24 14:48] ID=10052 Lekandi: 
[2017-05-24 14:49] ID=10053 RE_ID=10052 Crypt0naire: Ahhh iconomi.. oh they should concentrate again on the services they offered already! This is what people need!!
[2017-05-24 14:50] ID=10054 Lekandi: Yeah I used them all the time. Now trying to find a replacement
[2017-05-24 14:51] ID=10055 RE_ID=10054 Crypt0naire: Me too! Received money from customers all over the world to Cashila and from there instantly send it as Bitcoins to my Mycelium wallet. Just perfect. If you found a replacement, please let me know. It's really missed
[2017-05-24 14:55] ID=10056 Lekandi: Yeah. I'm in the boat I have alot of bitcoin I took as payments and need to cash out and pay bills now
[2017-05-24 14:59] ID=10057 Lekandi: Next week I have to take a $4k payment in moneygram or Western union... gonna fuck me on that
[2017-05-24 15:08] ID=10058 RE_ID=10056 Crypt0naire: Oh to pay bills I found a good replacement! Check it out, they offer a card too.\nwww.Bitwa.la
[2017-05-24 15:09] ID=10059 Crypt0naire: But I haven't found any replacement for accepting money like you was able to on Cashila
[2017-05-24 15:09] ID=10060 RE_ID=10057 Crypt0naire: Oh man.. that's will be a nice fee and a lot of hassle to get it into Bitcoin or anywhere.. I feel with you!
[2017-05-25 12:42] ID=10061 ???: None
[2017-05-26 03:35] ID=10063 ???: None
[2017-05-26 05:20] ID=10064 RE_ID=10047 Giszmo: on the other hand, pushing a tx to a specific IP should be a low hanging fruit if anybody would care about such "features" :)
[2017-05-26 09:17] ID=10065 Frankffm17: Hi rassah, Any News regarding your listing? Could we Support ?
[2017-05-26 10:06] ID=10066 Majouliiii: None
[2017-05-26 14:09] ID=10067 ???: None
[2017-05-26 15:13] ID=10068 Rassah: Listing?
[2017-05-26 19:05] ID=10069 SJ C: i think jaxx is kicking mycelium's butt right now
[2017-05-26 19:09] ID=10070 AROMACOMPUTERS: I think Jaxx is crap
[2017-05-26 19:25] ID=10071 ???: Jaxx always has been crap.
[2017-05-26 19:25] ID=10072 ???: There's no a worthwile altcoin mobile-based wallet.
[2017-05-26 19:32] ID=10073 Frankffm17: @rassah: sorry. I Mean listing or quotation for example on bittrex or other Plattform? Any News?
[2017-05-26 19:38] ID=10074 Rassah: No unfortunately. Haven't pushed much on that for a while. I guess we're kinda discouraged with being constantly denied
[2017-05-26 19:48] ID=10075 Frankffm17: I Hope for your work that the Time is coming
[2017-05-27 04:14] ID=10076 icasagrande: None
[2017-05-27 10:34] ID=10077 Majouliiii: None
[2017-05-27 12:24] ID=10078 icasagrande: Hello, I have two questions about buying with a credit card. How long does it take to receive the bitcoins? And what price will be paid, at the time of purchase or when the transaction is confirmed?
[2017-05-27 16:48] ID=10079 Giszmo: Those are questions more for Simplex than for Mycelium. You can reach them at [email protected]\n\nFrom my understanding getting support requests nevertheless, they sometimes fail to deliver quickly but resolve all issues either by delivering the coins or reversing the CC charge within less than 48h but I suppose most get their coins much quicker than that. The rest should be clear from their terms of service.
[2017-05-27 16:53] ID=10080 RE_ID=10079 icasagrande: Thanks!
[2017-05-27 17:08] ID=10081 icasagrande: I found this on Simplex website: "Is the Bitcoin purchase price locked when my payment is submitted?\nPrices depend on partners’ policies – please check with your respective partner."
[2017-05-27 17:24] ID=10082 bigs21024: Anything new on these tokens yet
[2017-05-28 14:19] ID=10084 bigs21024: Ah is anyone here anymore lol
[2017-05-28 14:22] ID=10085 Rassah: Weekend XD
[2017-05-28 17:35] ID=10086 bigs21024: Ahhh I see is everything ok with the wallet cause I show a balance of $4.24 but have a transaction that has been reciev I ng forever for $0.03 and don't even know where that came from but when I try to send btc it says indifferent funds
[2017-05-28 17:35] ID=10087 bigs21024: 
[2017-05-28 18:32] ID=10088 jandreske: That's tge cool thing about Bitcoin. Your funds are pretty much indifferent.
[2017-05-28 21:25] ID=10089 bigs21024: Insufficient funds so I can't send anything makes no sense
[2017-05-28 21:39] ID=10090 Transisto: 3rd world problem, bitcoin isn't yet ready for tiny transactions
[2017-05-28 21:40] ID=10091 Transisto: Your 4$ usd might be comprised of many small input with the tx fee being more than the value.
[2017-05-28 21:41] ID=10092 bigs21024: 
[2017-05-28 21:41] ID=10093 bigs21024: So I can't use that btc
[2017-05-28 22:24] ID=10094 Fhd Al: None
[2017-05-28 23:56] ID=10095 RE_ID=10090 DoubleYouSee23: isn't ready anymore for small transactions. It used to be, when coin age mattered.
[2017-05-29 01:34] ID=10096 Giszmo: @DoubleYouSee23 coin age: so if you have $4 you can send it for free if it hasn't moved for ... 500 days?
[2017-05-29 01:35] ID=10097 DoubleYouSee23: the older it is, the more priority it gained. So a zero fee transaction would eventually get through, now we can have transactions that will literally never confirm.
[2017-05-29 01:36] ID=10098 DoubleYouSee23: after coin age priority was taken out, RBF, and CPFP were instituted as 'fixes' for that issue
[2017-05-29 01:36] ID=10099 Giszmo: That is not how priority worked. It was a flag: Did you destroy more than one bitcoin day? If not, your transaction did not qualify.
[2017-05-29 01:36] ID=10100 Giszmo: And it was a tiny fraction of the block that was reserved for priority transactions.
[2017-05-29 01:40] ID=10101 DoubleYouSee23: 50kb for priority tansactions was still 50kb we don't have anymore
[2017-05-29 01:41] ID=10102 DoubleYouSee23: the whole "healthy fee market" thing is a scam
[2017-05-29 01:42] ID=10103 DoubleYouSee23: and the equation was "priority = sum(input_value_in_base_uni" so you didnt have to destroy a whole bitcoin day to qualify, it was a curve
[2017-05-29 01:43] ID=10104 DoubleYouSee23: priority = sum(input_value_in_base_units * input_age)/size_in_bytes
[2017-05-29 01:43] ID=10105 DoubleYouSee23: oops
[2017-05-29 03:31] ID=10106 BB_Martino: https://medium.com/@jimmysong/why-any-contentious-change-will-become-a-permanent-fork-a1c6ed3faa06
[2017-05-29 03:31] ID=10107 BB_Martino: what a clusterfuck.
[2017-05-29 03:37] ID=10108 Rassah: The argument before the fork?
[2017-05-29 03:41] ID=10109 RE_ID=10102 Giszmo: Read the whitepaper. Miners were never meant to be altruistic providers of free transactions. Satoshi himself wanted to keep things cozy for as long as possible but he also admitted (and believed with a passion that it would work) that mining will be professionalized.
[2017-05-29 03:43] ID=10110 RE_ID=10109 DoubleYouSee23: yea and the argument today for stagnating thennetwork is so everyone can run a node from home, so a bit of a cognitive dissonance. Satoshi also wanted ridiculously huge blocks too, so there is that
[2017-05-29 03:43] ID=10111 DoubleYouSee23: And I've read the wp multiple times.
[2017-05-29 03:45] ID=10112 BB_Martino: Rassah: the uncertainty, the power play, the chicken game, the inability to come to a consensus, the toxic atmosphere, the risks... what did I miss.
[2017-05-29 03:45] ID=10113 Giszmo: Where did he say that he "wanted" riciculously huge blocks? We are heading for big blocks eventually but nobody wants them. It's a trade-off.
[2017-05-29 03:46] ID=10114 DoubleYouSee23: He wanted 75mb to 300mb blocks, I can't remember which.
[2017-05-29 03:56] ID=10115 Giszmo: Yep. And we will get those.
[2017-05-29 03:56] ID=10116 Giszmo: He also wanted 100kB blocks, which is why he supported the soft limit and the hard 1MB limit.
[2017-05-29 03:57] ID=10117 Giszmo: Actually I'm not so sure we will get 300MB but I would bet we will get 75MB eventually. Give it some 15 years.
[2017-05-29 04:01] ID=10118 Rassah: 10 megs used to be a whole lot of data just 20 years ago
[2017-05-29 07:32] ID=10119 ImadL: Who knows how much data
[2017-05-29 07:33] ID=10120 ImadL: Mycelium consums while using 4G connection for example
[2017-05-29 09:17] ID=10121 painlord2k: People don't run nodes of networks they can not afford to use.
[2017-05-29 09:27] ID=10122 ???: Wow the Ethereum Smart Computer for POS Node released https://github.com/elliottmatt/Ethereum-Computer/releases/tag/v0.0.1
[2017-05-29 10:46] ID=10123 RE_ID=10122 rawgeL: ^ this project is copied from others...   ;))
[2017-05-29 13:42] ID=10124 bigs21024: What I'd CPFP
[2017-05-29 13:43] ID=10125 bigs21024: And why when I try to send my btc is says insufficient funds
[2017-05-29 14:27] ID=10126 jandreske: Yeah, I assume that is because you don't have enough money. Or do you have reason to believe the message is wrong?
[2017-05-29 15:23] ID=10127 frendlysupport: None
[2017-05-29 15:27] ID=10128 RE_ID=10120 Rassah: Very little
[2017-05-29 15:28] ID=10129 RE_ID=10122 Rassah: Piece of shit node?
[2017-05-29 17:02] ID=10130 ShawnLeary: 🤣🤣🤣
[2017-05-30 10:03] ID=10131 ???: None
[2017-05-30 16:00] ID=10132 whalehunting: Hi!
[2017-05-30 16:00] ID=10133 whalehunting: I have a transaction that hast been stuck since 14 days
[2017-05-30 16:00] ID=10134 whalehunting: But is still showing as sending, and I think the balance shown is also incorrect
[2017-05-30 16:01] ID=10135 whalehunting: What should I do?
[2017-05-30 16:09] ID=10136 DanielWeigl: Try to "reload account" in the transaction tab - this synchronizes again with our backend. If its still showing up wrong you can try to increase the fee via Child pays for parent (select the transaction and then in open the menu)
[2017-05-30 16:24] ID=10137 whalehunting: Thanks, it worked!
[2017-05-30 19:12] ID=10138 ???: None
[2017-05-30 19:14] ID=10139 JuanSGalt: Good move on possitioning to support UASF. as we get closer to it, ppl are gonna want do protect them selves
[2017-05-30 19:46] ID=10140 cvennekel: https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/6e9mmu/mycelium_and_bip148/
[2017-05-30 21:25] ID=10141 Anomaly: The NY agreement isn't bip148, is it?
[2017-05-30 21:36] ID=10142 Giszmo: NY agreement is not bip148. It's a new initiative that bitcoin core was not invited to.
[2017-06-01 03:23] ID=10143 ZaCkRrr: So Mycellium is supporting Bip148?
[2017-06-01 03:31] ID=10144 Rassah: Yes and no
[2017-06-01 14:32] ID=10145 Giszmo: Technically we cannot ignore predictable chain splits but the company does not encourage people to support BIP148
[2017-06-01 14:34] ID=10146 HostFat: BIP148 means moving away from the first rule of Bitcoin, that is following the majority of POW
[2017-06-01 14:35] ID=10147 HostFat: it should be better to change the POW hash (if the community wants to change), but not moving away from the majority of it
[2017-06-01 14:51] ID=10148 RE_ID=10146 Giszmo: There is no such rule that the client blindly follows the most POW. The client follows the *valid* chain with the most POW. You decide what is valid, not the miners. If the miners decide to increase the block reward, "most POW" will not do to get you to accept that.
[2017-06-01 15:03] ID=10149 painlord2k: Let's the users choose if and how they want screw themselves.\nIt is their God's given right to be stupid.\nAnd there is no helping them on this regard.\n\nI would suggest you to put some strong words about Mycelium not advising to use BIP148 in the UI\nAnd if they do, they do at their own risks
[2017-06-01 15:16] ID=10150 Giszmo: If BIP148 mines >50%, there will be no split. It will not make a big change what you pick. If BIP148 has zero support on August 1st, then it's also quick to resolve. Nobody will wait days per block to have difficulty adapt in months, to instantly get attacked by the legacy miners. But at any significant proportion below 50%, people will want access to their coins like it happened in ETH/ETC and as the BIP148 chain will not go away, people need an interface to split and handle both sides. It's not about picking just one side. First thing users will need is to split their coins and in the worst of all cases the coin splitting would be needed repeatedly, if legacy reorgd into SF, only to keep mining legacy.\n\nAs a wallet dev I can not ignore the possibility of this worst case to happen. The above is valid not only for BIP148 but basically for every sustained chain split - anticipated or not.
[2017-06-01 15:17] ID=10151 HostFat: the problem of a minority chain, it is that users could receive bitcoins that will be worthless
[2017-06-01 15:21] ID=10152 Rassah: I still think the point of bitcoin is to have one chain. Having more that one chain is a problem; a broken bitcoin. And as a major popular wallet Mycelium should try to force a settlement on one chain instead of trying to support two and perpetuating that problem.
[2017-06-01 15:21] ID=10153 Rassah: But that's my opinion
[2017-06-01 21:30] ID=10154 HostFat: Another famous wallet is going to add an opt-in for BIP148, I think that this can be a good solution
[2017-06-02 07:34] ID=10155 thorbjorn: 👍
[2017-06-02 20:06] ID=10156 RE_ID=10152 AROMACOMPUTERS: 👍😘
[2017-06-02 23:39] ID=10157 ???: https://lightco.in/2017/06/02/segwit-uasf/
[2017-06-02 23:39] ID=10158 RE_ID=10157 ???: @Rassah.
[2017-06-03 03:43] ID=10159 CrystaBall: How come MT isn't on any exchange?
[2017-06-03 07:12] ID=10160 RE_ID=10159 ShortFatUglyDumb: That question gets asked a lot here. I think the general answer is that exchanges need to hear from more holders who want to trade it. They need to sense demand. Mycelium can't "make" exchanges list the token. Also, some exchanges might be concerned about legal liability if MTs are pseudo-securities. All that aside, I hear Bitsquare lists it.
[2017-06-03 20:35] ID=10161 mylaw twisp: None
[2017-06-03 20:47] ID=10162 Anomaly: Would be great if we could bundle some of these more common Q&A'S into an FAQ and direct ppl to it.
[2017-06-03 20:55] ID=10163 RE_ID=10162 DoubleYouSee23: Would make a good pinned message... @rassah it might be worth posting a quick and dirty status here and pinning it.
[2017-06-04 09:28] ID=10164 uporo: Seriously, can't we get mt to ANY decent exchance
[2017-06-04 09:29] ID=10165 uporo: For example pay for cryptopia add
[2017-06-04 10:42] ID=10166 TheSatMan: You can easy add it to WAVES ...
[2017-06-04 10:43] ID=10167 TheSatMan: Wavesplatform.com / WAVES DEX - Decentralized Exchange...
[2017-06-04 10:43] ID=10168 TheSatMan: The Exchange is built in the WAVES wallet
[2017-06-04 13:42] ID=10169 ???: Question.  I used a btc address generated on my mycelium wallet as receiving address for folding coin work.  Can i import that address into tokenly to view payment of folding coin?  If so, how do i access the private key for that specific address (rather than key for the entire mycelium account)?
[2017-06-04 13:45] ID=10170 jandreske: You can easily import the address somewhere else to watch funds. \nYou cannot get the one private key out of mycelium - you need to use another tool for that (and trust it with your entire master seed.)
[2017-06-04 13:45] ID=10171 jandreske: Assuming you are talking about an address in an HD account.
[2017-06-04 13:48] ID=10172 ???: Yup.
[2017-06-04 13:52] ID=10173 ???: Thanks for the input.  I think I'll pass on entering my master seed.  Chalk it up as a learning experience.
[2017-06-04 13:53] ID=10174 BB_Martino: You can boot from a live CD and have the tool on a pendrive https://iancoleman.github.io/bip39/
[2017-06-05 02:26] ID=10175 RE_ID=10174 AROMACOMPUTERS: Yup\nHandy tool offline
[2017-06-05 03:03] ID=10176 Qblu32ooth: how is folding coin doing? they found any cures yet?
[2017-06-05 03:26] ID=10177 AROMACOMPUTERS: The real folding project is going well
[2017-06-05 03:27] ID=10178 AROMACOMPUTERS: Mining for a known endpoint is incompat with folding which does not have a known endpoint.
[2017-06-05 03:32] ID=10179 DoubleYouSee23: What do you mean "known endpoint?"
[2017-06-05 03:33] ID=10180 Rassah: A valuable solution
[2017-06-05 03:33] ID=10181 Rassah: Value is subjective
[2017-06-05 03:54] ID=10182 AROMACOMPUTERS: Well, its sha256 encryption\nAll encryption has a known endpoint
[2017-06-05 03:55] ID=10183 AROMACOMPUTERS: I member having battles at a hackerspace here in denver over resources used for mining vs folding. \nThis was the reason explained to me why both cant be run at the same timw.
[2017-06-05 03:56] ID=10184 AROMACOMPUTERS: All folding coin did I thought, was generate funds to pay for folding resources.\nSilly
[2017-06-05 03:56] ID=10185 Rassah: Yeah, that's right
[2017-06-05 03:57] ID=10186 Rassah: It's hard to hash something random that might actually have a purpose, more so that has a specific biological propose
[2017-06-05 03:59] ID=10187 DoubleYouSee23: Okay, interesting. Thank you very much
[2017-06-05 04:03] ID=10188 RE_ID=10186 AROMACOMPUTERS: We'd prob have the project completed by now if we could lol
[2017-06-05 08:21] ID=10189 ShortFatUglyDumb: Feature request: I may have mentioned this b4... In Local Trader, on the page for a specific trade (active or completed), could u guys pls add a link to the profile of the trader we're in-trade with? The main reason is that the only way to view the profile is for the party who listed the ad; currently not the other trader. Totally unavailable for the latter. There's also the situation where the ad-lister de-lists while a trade meetup is pending, and again, that makes their profile unreachable. BTW, the helpful info in a trader profile are things like account age, # of buys/sells, last activity. These are helpful indicators for trust. (I never cared for the stars, & I think u guys removed 'em.) Thanks. Hopefully adding such a link is ez 2 do.
[2017-06-05 09:02] ID=10190 RE_ID=10189 thorbjorn: +1, I have often wished for this functionality.
[2017-06-05 09:59] ID=10191 ShortFatUglyDumb: Both parties in the trade need to do their best to protect themselves from scams.
[2017-06-05 15:25] ID=10192 TheSatMan: What do you bright guys think about BIP148/UASF?\n\nRegarding what will actually happen - and how it will have effect on the entire market ... BTC vs. altcoins...?
[2017-06-05 15:31] ID=10193 Rassah: It might not happen at all. Looks like support for that is again nonexistent
[2017-06-05 15:31] ID=10194 Rassah: Or small
[2017-06-05 15:40] ID=10195 BB_Martino: It's funny how depending on the Telegram group you're in, it's either everyone's stupid who isn't for BIP148 and there's no way it can lose vs BIP148 doesn't stand a chance.\n\nI say... SW + 2MB within year, no splits, moving on, steady forward, to the moon.
[2017-06-05 15:43] ID=10196 Rassah: I wish. SW+2MB is an obvious choice, but I'm very certain Core will not do that. Egos are too high.
[2017-06-05 15:49] ID=10197 BB_Martino: Maybe not together at once, but I thought there was already support from Core devs about SW now and locking in or upping to 2MB in some months.
[2017-06-05 15:50] ID=10198 Rassah: Core devs want SW, and wallet users was 2MB blocks, but there's not enough support from easier group or exchanges or miners to implement either of those
[2017-06-05 15:58] ID=10199 RE_ID=10196 RubenSomsen: Then just run segwit2x by Garzik
[2017-06-05 16:02] ID=10200 BB_Martino: I thought miners wanted 2MB & Core could implement it along with SW (providing a long activation time). And if that was done, most miners would support it and as such everything else (exchanges, marketplaces etc) would follow. Weren't there two agreements (kind of) that essentially talked about the same thing?
[2017-06-05 16:03] ID=10201 RubenSomsen: It's easy to point fingers and say one side is being stubborn, but from their perspective it's the other side who is being stubborn. The only options are a proposal that everyone can get behind, or a willingness to fork away from those who have a different opinion.
[2017-06-05 16:04] ID=10202 RE_ID=10200 RubenSomsen: One assumption you are making is that miners are truthful when they claim they want 2 MB. Perhaps they like the high fees. Perhaps they like ASICboost.
[2017-06-05 16:05] ID=10203 RE_ID=10201 Mohd Zaki: 👍
[2017-06-05 16:06] ID=10204 BB_Martino: You mean SW right? They do want 2MB, it's the Segwit part that's questionable if they're on board with. Even if they're not, if Core & wallet users & exchanges agree to 2MB+Segwit, they really will have no excuses to block SW. BIP148 on the other hand, quite controversial and risky.
[2017-06-05 16:07] ID=10205 BB_Martino: If we're going to force miners into something, why not go for sure.
[2017-06-05 16:07] ID=10206 Rassah: What's SW? Not SegWit?
[2017-06-05 16:07] ID=10207 BB_Martino: Segwit
[2017-06-05 16:08] ID=10208 RubenSomsen: I find it more likely that miners would agree to a fork that leaves ASICboost intact, but I think even that is not certain. They may just like high fees.
[2017-06-05 16:09] ID=10209 RubenSomsen: Either way, this should not matter. Miners don't decide the protocol. They can't go against a UASF.
[2017-06-05 16:10] ID=10210 BB_Martino: If they did something that stupid, continued blocking of segwit with a 2MB fork only and asicboost intact, they really would be lacking support. As long as they mine blocks that Core clients accept, UASF will either fail or cause a split/fork.
[2017-06-05 16:10] ID=10211 RubenSomsen: I am not a fan of the short time frame of BIP 148, but given enough support, a UASF can absolutely be safe.
[2017-06-05 16:11] ID=10212 BB_Martino: At least I don't share the enthusiasm of the supporters that it's definitely going to work. If people were still running Core I'd say it's impossible for it to win, but because it's exchanges and online wallets and Electrum and Bitpay etc who are relying on Core, it's their decision ultimately.
[2017-06-05 16:12] ID=10213 BB_Martino: If there's a huge reorg, it's not safe. It's chaos. And money will be lost.
[2017-06-05 16:12] ID=10214 BB_Martino: Anyway, this is all UASF, I don't want to spam the MyCelium group with it. We'll see what happens come the 1st of August.
[2017-06-05 16:12] ID=10215 RubenSomsen: As long as you have your private key, it is your decision. Users have trouble communicating and coming to consensus, but they do hold all the power.
[2017-06-05 16:24] ID=10216 TheSatMan: Is it not 100% facts - that a soft fork will happen on the 1 of august ...?\n\nOr What is actually sure? Facts - so far?
[2017-06-05 16:30] ID=10217 Rassah: At this point it is unlikely
[2017-06-05 16:31] ID=10218 BB_Martino: If there's no Segwit til the 1st, something will happen - the question is, will it be like Jihan's tweet or will it be like the zombie meme tweet.
[2017-06-05 16:33] ID=10219 TheSatMan: I dont' know what Jihan's tweet is or zombie tweet is ...
[2017-06-05 16:34] ID=10220 TheSatMan: @Rassah but is BIP148 is unlikely - What is likely?? The 1 of august?
[2017-06-05 16:34] ID=10221 BB_Martino: 
[2017-06-05 16:34] ID=10222 BB_Martino: 
[2017-06-05 16:35] ID=10223 BB_Martino: Those depict how it's imagined on the two 'sides'
[2017-06-05 16:36] ID=10224 BB_Martino: Curt: what you need to know is if there's no Segwit until the 1st of August and you're not 100% sure about what you're doing, then don't transact until the dust settles.
[2017-06-05 20:36] ID=10225 Giszmo: Mycelium doesn't provide itBit exchange rates since 1h because itBit doesn't provide them. Just in case some wonder ... https://api.itbit.com/v1/markets/XBTUSD/ticker
[2017-06-05 23:04] ID=10226 RE_ID=10196 ShortFatUglyDumb: You really think it's egos? I thought they just cautiously want SegWit first, then they allege to need 6-18 months for a safe HF.
[2017-06-05 23:04] ID=10227 RE_ID=10198 ShortFatUglyDumb: I read that SegWit will deliver effective 2MB blocks, or more, immediately. Is that a lie from the SegWit camp?
[2017-06-05 23:05] ID=10228 ShortFatUglyDumb: I also read that many of the SegWit authors aren't against raw 2MB max blocks, but SegWit is better to come first since many of the fixes it applies includes things that make an eventual HF safer.
[2017-06-05 23:08] ID=10229 Rassah: I don't think they ever wanted 6 to 18 months for a HF.
[2017-06-05 23:09] ID=10230 RE_ID=10227 Rassah: Yes. If your wallet can't create SegWit transactions, you're not getting any benefit out of it. Most wallets aren't actually ready
[2017-06-05 23:09] ID=10231 AROMACOMPUTERS: Doing this in 2 steps seeeeemed completley reasonable.  Segwit then blocksize. \nBut enough hashing (aka voting) wants this in 1 step or nothing.  And is vetoing anything but 1 step.
[2017-06-05 23:11] ID=10232 AROMACOMPUTERS: What we need, is to find a way to end the great Bitcoin Civil War
[2017-06-05 23:11] ID=10233 ShortFatUglyDumb: "Doing this in 2 steps seeeeemed completley reasonable. Segwit then blocksize." -- I agree.
[2017-06-05 23:14] ID=10234 AROMACOMPUTERS: I suggest we rent a boxing ring somewhere, and bring all the miners in there, lock the door. Nobody leaves til they all agree.
[2017-06-05 23:14] ID=10235 DoubleYouSee23: lol, a bunch of computer nerds hurting themselves throwing bad punches
[2017-06-05 23:16] ID=10236 AROMACOMPUTERS: Sept 30th sounds like a good day
[2017-06-05 23:18] ID=10237 ShortFatUglyDumb: If SegWit doesn't get activated, my next vote would be Core taking their time to develop a clean-cut well thought out 2MB HF, addressing the increased security risks of 1MB->2MB and including important components of SegWit, like the OPcode needed for LN and malleability fix, etc.
[2017-06-05 23:19] ID=10238 DoubleYouSee23: its not going to happen. I know there is no "Core Ideology" but talk to the core devs, the "healthy fee market" line of thought is common there. So is the idea that $100 transaction fees are okay, but paying to run a node is atrcocious. Weird people
[2017-06-05 23:22] ID=10239 DoubleYouSee23: I currently have a firm belief that core will not make any inroads to scaling until segwit is activated, just talk to them about it.
[2017-06-05 23:29] ID=10240 AROMACOMPUTERS: Worst case is we uasf at very low % of hashing power, and no exchanges supported the uasf.\nResulting in extremely long bock times.  And risk of attack by greater chain.\nForcing the hand of algo change.  Which will be cried for.
[2017-06-05 23:30] ID=10241 DoubleYouSee23: by algo change you mean changin pow?
[2017-06-05 23:31] ID=10242 AROMACOMPUTERS: Its on the table
[2017-06-05 23:31] ID=10243 AROMACOMPUTERS: 1 reason I think its a dangerous move
[2017-06-05 23:32] ID=10244 DoubleYouSee23: IMO that is literally the worst idea I have ever heard in bitcoin. If we start a new POW and give banks and gov't a chance to get in on the ground floor they could very easily outpace every other miner and actually be in control of bitcoin.
[2017-06-05 23:32] ID=10245 RE_ID=10238 Rassah: Yeah, them being ok with high fees is probably what bugs me most. So many businesses are struggling or even shutting down now because of it
[2017-06-05 23:33] ID=10246 DoubleYouSee23: So weird that people would help satoshi on his project, then act like talking about his roadmap is "hero worship"
[2017-06-05 23:34] ID=10247 DoubleYouSee23: too many new devs tact like they own bitcoin, ad have to fight against the "cult of satoshi"
[2017-06-05 23:35] ID=10248 AROMACOMPUTERS: Well...  we do count bitcoin in satoshis. So... their not that far off base lol
[2017-06-05 23:35] ID=10249 AROMACOMPUTERS: Imo\nJoin the club\nOr gtfo
[2017-06-05 23:36] ID=10250 RE_ID=10248 DoubleYouSee23: That was just an omage
[2017-06-05 23:36] ID=10251 RE_ID=10249 DoubleYouSee23: which club?
[2017-06-05 23:37] ID=10252 AROMACOMPUTERS: The church of bitcoin
[2017-06-05 23:37] ID=10253 AROMACOMPUTERS: Lol
[2017-06-05 23:38] ID=10254 DoubleYouSee23: The fact that this many people are passionate about their stances is something at least
[2017-06-06 00:25] ID=10255 jandreske: The thing that so many people seem to think that the best way to convince others to give up their ideas and follow your owns instead is to call them stupid, make fun of them or deny their position entirely is something to worry about, I'd say.
[2017-06-06 00:47] ID=10256 DoubleYouSee23: Lol o had a conversation with a core dev the other day who called me an idiot and told me to have humility in the same sentence. Though another core dev did tell him he was wrong, so there is that...
[2017-06-06 02:33] ID=10257 Qblu32ooth: whats the update about?
[2017-06-06 02:33] ID=10258 Qblu32ooth: bip148?
[2017-06-06 02:37] ID=10259 DoubleYouSee23: Mostly stuff to make mycelium money to pay devs
[2017-06-06 02:39] ID=10260 Rassah: And fixes for fees
[2017-06-06 02:40] ID=10261 Rassah: Default fees if you don't have an internet connection we're way too low, resulting in transactions that would never confirm.
[2017-06-06 03:02] ID=10262 RE_ID=10245 RubenSomsen: Nobody prefers high fees. They are a natural consequence of the limits that are required to keep the network decentralized (i.e. make it possible to run your own full node). There are lots of scaling proposals on the table, has Mycelium taken a stance on any of them? Either you accept the status quo, or if you want change, support a solution.
[2017-06-06 03:07] ID=10263 Rassah: We do support SegWit. As for keeping the network decentralized, their claim that this consists of running nodes is also limited. If fees are very high, people will switch to centralized services like exchanges or Coinbase to do transactions to save money, which defeats the propose, or in worst case scenario the fees will only be affordable to a few people/organizations, at which point even if the network is decentralized, a single user is a very easy to identify and control (or eliminate) target
[2017-06-06 03:09] ID=10264 Rassah: In my opinion having a large number of users transacting on chain (or maybe on second layer, if it's decentralized and anonymous enough) is just as important, if not more important, as having a large number of nodes.
[2017-06-06 03:25] ID=10265 RubenSomsen: Yeah, one interesting metric I've seen mentioned is cost to send your transactions vs cost to run a full node. It's still not easy to measure, but if you pay more for your transactions than it costs to run a full node, it's a good idea to raise the full node cost.
[2017-06-06 03:29] ID=10266 RubenSomsen: I think the number of nodes don't matter, it's more about the ability to be able to run a full node, should the need arise. If the network forks, you need to be able to pick a side without trusting a third party.
[2017-06-06 03:34] ID=10267 RE_ID=10245 Anomaly: I think the motivation is profit... BS thought that the increasing congestion and resulting high fees would help them push their version of segwit through. Seems like it failed to get the desired results.
[2017-06-06 03:37] ID=10268 DoubleYouSee23: And now we have uasf. I am not looking forward to Aug 1st. I hope it goes through just fine or fails spectacularly. Anything in between could be really bad
[2017-06-06 03:39] ID=10269 DoubleYouSee23: Oh damn, a bunch of people on Reddit are not happy with your adds. On the positive side it looks like a bunch of people are willing to pay for mycelium without adds...
[2017-06-06 03:59] ID=10270 RE_ID=10268 Anomaly: It seems dead in the water. Though the NY agreement might happen
[2017-06-06 04:09] ID=10271 .: None
[2017-06-06 04:31] ID=10273 Transisto: Mycelium userbase vs Blockchain.info = Nothing
[2017-06-06 04:32] ID=10274 Transisto: Cashing out on whatever last loyal users you had is not smart.
[2017-06-06 04:32] ID=10275 Transisto: Here's how I learned about it https://steemit.com/bitcoin/@kingscrown/why-its-good-steemit-didnt-have-ico-and-has-no-ads-based-on-case-of-mycellium
[2017-06-06 04:54] ID=10276 DoubleYouSee23: What was the NY agreement? I feel like I should know that already...
[2017-06-06 04:59] ID=10277 RE_ID=10274 DoubleYouSee23: Well if they ever want their token to be worth anything (like the dividends mentioned in the article you linked) then they have to have revenue. \nI'm totally fine with the local trader fees, but there should be a way to opt out of adds.
[2017-06-06 06:13] ID=10278 Rassah: I'm really against ads like that too, but I'm not in charge anymore
[2017-06-06 08:01] ID=10279 RE_ID=10276 Anomaly: Many of the large businesses and miners organized the New York agreement which excluded blockstream/core. It involves a different version of segwit & if preemptively activated then uasf bip148 will be dead before it hits the ground.
[2017-06-06 13:16] ID=10280 RE_ID=10278 Rexter: What is the monetization strategy Mycelium has been using to keep the project going?
[2017-06-06 15:08] ID=10281 AROMACOMPUTERS: I dont mind ads.  Certainly prefer an ad, versus paying for something.\nTake Hulu for example.  I dont pay, watch commercials instead, I get the same thing free.  While Hulu still gets paid for their service.
[2017-06-06 15:34] ID=10282 RE_ID=10280 Rassah: Third party affiliates. When you use the Buy/Sell Bitcoin option to trade, we get a percent of the fee. And even you buy hardware wallets through our links we get a percent of the sale price.
[2017-06-06 16:49] ID=10283 thorbjorn: What about a paid version of mycelium without ads?
[2017-06-06 17:29] ID=10284 sprks: anyone know how to roll back the android update ?  or knows where a safe apk can be found ?
[2017-06-06 17:35] ID=10285 AROMACOMPUTERS: Lol\nFoolish
[2017-06-06 17:36] ID=10286 AROMACOMPUTERS: Thats prob coming, hacked versions of wallets that steal from you hahaha
[2017-06-06 17:37] ID=10287 RE_ID=10284 Rassah: Besides the ads we did actually fix a few bugs and issues in the update
[2017-06-06 17:38] ID=10288 RE_ID=10287 sprks: ✌️🏼  i hear ya
[2017-06-06 17:58] ID=10289 BtcNW: None
[2017-06-06 20:03] ID=10290 ShortFatUglyDumb: Welcome, Ryan. ;)
[2017-06-06 20:33] ID=10291 RE_ID=10278 Cme: what does this mean you're not in charge anymore? and who is in charge now?
[2017-06-06 20:39] ID=10292 Rassah: I'm not the product manager anymore. Not since April 1st. Jerome Rousselot is now
[2017-06-06 21:30] ID=10293 Cme: thanks, and thanks for all your support on this project
[2017-06-06 22:29] ID=10294 TheSatMan: @Rassah What is your role now - then?
[2017-06-06 22:32] ID=10295 Rassah: Back to Community/Brand Manager, but only sorta
[2017-06-06 22:36] ID=10296 RE_ID=10295 Anomaly: Thanks for all your support past to the present, for Mycelium & bitcoin !
[2017-06-06 22:38] ID=10297 Rassah: Welcome. Sorry I can't contribute more
[2017-06-06 23:05] ID=10298 TheSatMan: @Rassah why the change? You will stay at MyCelium - right?
[2017-06-06 23:10] ID=10299 Rassah: Company wants to really focus on making money with the wallet, and I was going too slow with it.
[2017-06-06 23:10] ID=10300 Rassah: I think I'll satay with it
[2017-06-06 23:58] ID=10301 bigs21024: Ok anything new yet with the Mycelium tokens
[2017-06-07 00:06] ID=10302 Rassah: Not really
[2017-06-07 05:16] ID=10303 RE_ID=10290 hodlon: I've made it!
[2017-06-07 05:17] ID=10304 hodlon: Come to find out about my MT. Sadly, it seems the time has not yet come for them.
[2017-06-07 08:38] ID=10305 Transisto: Would have been smart to have a strategy to grow the user base, a combination of new feature, UI redesig, and marketting push ... Before adding ads.
[2017-06-07 08:40] ID=10306 Transisto: Will "Jerome Rousselot" bother to come over here and make some sort of encouraging statement ?
[2017-06-07 09:40] ID=10307 ethbitsMarketingPR: None
[2017-06-07 09:40] ID=10308 ethbitsMarketingPR: Hey guys!
[2017-06-07 09:40] ID=10309 ethbitsMarketingPR: Any new what is going on with MT I put a lot of btc into that
[2017-06-07 09:42] ID=10310 ethbitsMarketingPR: Ah great the main man rassah is here ;) so what is the latest? I hope no one ran away with all the money
[2017-06-07 09:46] ID=10311 RE_ID=10309 ShortFatUglyDumb: Can u scroll back & read earlier chats here, b4 ur joining? If so, read back as far as u can. Qs abt MT come up regularly, & u shud eventually c an upd8.
[2017-06-07 09:52] ID=10312 ethbitsMarketingPR: Is there no official statement since the ico though? I saw the Twitter link I will do it
[2017-06-07 10:02] ID=10313 whalehunting: Guys do you know any alternatives like myceleum? Ads are a no go in a cryptocurrency wallet
[2017-06-07 10:03] ID=10314 whalehunting: If it supports ledger would be great
[2017-06-07 10:26] ID=10315 ethbitsMarketingPR: Also any update on the mycelium cards?
[2017-06-07 10:59] ID=10316 RE_ID=10313 cvennekel: that update was pulled
[2017-06-07 11:45] ID=10317 thorbjorn: That was quick, thanks!
[2017-06-07 11:46] ID=10318 thorbjorn: Maybe it would be good to just add them to a page on their own accessible through the menu, because I sure would have used the links if I would have a need, to support Mycelium.
[2017-06-07 15:01] ID=10319 basavk: None
[2017-06-07 15:22] ID=10320 jeromerousselot: https://medium.com/mycelium/partnerships-221bb63a3c00
[2017-06-07 15:41] ID=10321 thorbjorn: Thanks Jerome, though why not go into why the links have been removed already? Personally, I understood the links were not "ads" like in most applications, but they did look very similar. I would propose including them in a way that makes it totally obvious that they're recommendations and a way to support Mycelium.
[2017-06-07 17:07] ID=10322 RE_ID=10320 AROMACOMPUTERS: Hi Jerome
[2017-06-07 17:12] ID=10323 Giszmo: Maybe if we had a longer text, with the partner links embedded? Like an article explaining what you can do with your coins? @jeromerousselot ? I guess having it in your face to spark your curiosity without much blabla around it and leave it to the partners to have a nice landing page is desired to get a good conversion rate and I have no idea who could do the copy writing in all supported languages for such an article and every time we add/remove a partner link, which I had understood might happen regularly.
[2017-06-07 19:44] ID=10324 CrystaBall: https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/6frx5j/okay_mycelium_enough_is_enough_wtf_happened_with/
[2017-06-07 19:50] ID=10325 BB_Martino: implying it was used for HODL
[2017-06-07 20:15] ID=10326 RE_ID=10325 Talon8Ya: I thought they spent it all on some other project that failed?
[2017-06-07 20:16] ID=10327 RE_ID=10326 AROMACOMPUTERS: Thats whats rumored the ceo did
[2017-06-07 20:34] ID=10328 Rassah: Rumor. It wasn't spent on anything else
[2017-06-07 20:37] ID=10329 thorbjorn: There's at least a very big lack of transparency regarding how those funds were somehow entirely depleted without much to show for it.
[2017-06-07 20:42] ID=10330 RE_ID=10329 DoubleYouSee23: Read the Reddit thread @ASICBoost just posted. Rassah did a short analysis of where the money went.
[2017-06-07 20:42] ID=10331 thorbjorn: What thread is that?
[2017-06-07 20:45] ID=10332 DoubleYouSee23: Its right above you. Six posts up from mine.
[2017-06-07 20:49] ID=10333 RE_ID=10320 Talon8Ya: Why say self funded when you had a token sale???
[2017-06-07 20:50] ID=10334 RE_ID=10328 Talon8Ya: good to know.
[2017-06-07 20:53] ID=10335 RE_ID=10330 Talon8Ya: Thank you for the respone there Rassah.
[2017-06-07 21:47] ID=10336 TheSatMan: https://blog.purse.io/announcement-purse-partnering-mycelium/
[2017-06-07 21:47] ID=10337 Alchemic: None
[2017-06-07 21:48] ID=10338 TheSatMan: So - now a lot of stuff is actually going on - thus all the drama so far ..? 🤗\n\nThat must be good news for MT holders - right? 😎
[2017-06-07 21:58] ID=10339 RE_ID=10332 thorbjorn: Ah, I didn't realize Xyz Zyx was @ASICBoost ...
[2017-06-07 22:07] ID=10340 RE_ID=10336 painlord2k: Good to see
[2017-06-07 22:59] ID=10341 RE_ID=10339 DoubleYouSee23: For future ref you can click a blued name to see the profile. I meant to type @ Xyz but it autocorrects to their @ name. Confused me as I typed it too
[2017-06-08 13:39] ID=10342 hkrdrm: That purse annoucement was yesterday?
[2017-06-08 13:53] ID=10343 thorbjorn: According to the date, yes. Though in fact partner links were shortly included in Mycelium already and then pulled again. I hope they come back in another form, since they looked very much like ads.
[2017-06-08 14:32] ID=10344 bigs21024: is this whole token thing just a bust letting it slowly die out or what
[2017-06-08 14:35] ID=10345 Rassah: The tokens are still stake in the company. That's what they were to begin with
[2017-06-08 14:35] ID=10346 Rassah: Unless the company goes bust, they're still worth something
[2017-06-08 14:59] ID=10347 BB_Martino: If there's no way to cash out and noone to sell them to, I'm not so sure about that :)
[2017-06-08 15:00] ID=10348 Rassah: Good point. I guess people think our company is worthless 😭
[2017-06-08 15:02] ID=10349 BB_Martino: No no, not the company. But the token's connection to that value the company holds.
[2017-06-08 15:02] ID=10350 SJ C: company is far from worthless, the tokens are since the only you can do with them is stare at them on a screen :)
[2017-06-08 15:14] ID=10351 Rahoos: The tokens aren't wells just because there's no liquid market for them. Long term holders (like me) expect that they will eventually pay a share of company profits, like a stock that pays a dividend. I didn't buy it to sell it again later, I bought it for its future income generating potential.
[2017-06-08 15:14] ID=10352 Rahoos: *aren't worthless
[2017-06-08 15:15] ID=10353 BB_Martino: That's fair, the critical part is the word 'future'
[2017-06-08 15:15] ID=10354 BB_Martino: When/how/from what etc.
[2017-06-08 15:16] ID=10355 Rahoos: Yeah. I admit if I could have foreseen this situation combined with the rise of bitcoin I would have bought more bitcoin instead.
[2017-06-08 15:17] ID=10356 Rahoos: But now that I'm in, and there's no easy way to get out, and I'm still using the wallet and still think the company may be able to deliver... why not just stay in?
[2017-06-08 15:18] ID=10357 bigs21024: @Rassah no disrespect but it seems as if nothing has been done or really shown at this point as proof as what the company is making spending if they are so called shares we as share holders should get all this info
[2017-06-08 15:19] ID=10358 bigs21024: @Ralph read my post above bro it explains my concern
[2017-06-08 15:20] ID=10359 bigs21024: everyone is u hold a shre of something wake uptaking this wrong i love the wallet always have but we are speaking about my stake in a company that explains nothing to the share holders that is not how it works when yo
[2017-06-08 15:37] ID=10360 RE_ID=10324 ChrisB17: @Rassah  @jeromerousselot who is actually in charge of this sh*t show?  Is there an official forum?
[2017-06-08 15:53] ID=10362 ChrisB17: "legal stuff needed to structure the tokens in the way that we did (with tokens being a stake in the company). The rest of the money was spent on developer salaries and company management salaries, like HR, accounting, legal, overall company product manager, etc"  @Rassah  @jeromerousselot   -  How did u spend 1.5 mil or whatever it was on this?  And where are the co. accounts and legal docs - presumably are they registered at Co House - name plse?
[2017-06-08 16:10] ID=10364 RE_ID=10360 bigs21024: see what i mean im not crazy anyone with a brain knows this damn
[2017-06-08 16:11] ID=10365 ChrisB17: ?
[2017-06-08 16:11] ID=10366 RE_ID=10362 bigs21024: thats my point we as shareholders need to see all this im starting to think this was all a scam to get them money its not hard to see
[2017-06-08 16:11] ID=10367 RE_ID=10359 Rahoos: Have you owned stock in s publicly traded company? My limited experience with that is receiving an annual shareholder letter. Annual as in once a year. Sometimes there's additional info shared quarterly, and a really great company might be even more transparent than that. But when I owned shares of Ruger, Caterpillar, and Google back in the late 90's, all I ever saw was an annual report.
[2017-06-08 16:12] ID=10368 RE_ID=10367 bigs21024: bro im not new at this i know what im talking about and those of you that think this is ok better think otherwise
[2017-06-08 16:13] ID=10369 Rahoos: So tell me where I'm wrong about that, I'm honestly interested. I don't think it's cool, but I do think it's pretty normal for a company to communicate only one a year.
[2017-06-08 16:14] ID=10370 Rahoos: Have you, as a shareholder in a publicly traded company, ever received guidance more than quarterly?
[2017-06-08 16:14] ID=10371 Rahoos: Or full disclosure more than annually?
[2017-06-08 16:15] ID=10372 Rahoos: Directly from the company I mean
[2017-06-08 16:18] ID=10373 Rahoos: Independent analyst's reports are different. I once owned shares in a small Canadian fuel cell startup naked Ballard Power Systems, and even though they were traded on the NYSE, it was impossible to find analysis more than annually, and even them it was spotty, because they just weren't important enough to be on the analysts' radar.
[2017-06-08 16:19] ID=10374 Rahoos: *named Ballard...
[2017-06-08 16:23] ID=10375 Rahoos: Mycelium is doing something completely new with the SAR tokens, and they're doing it in a completely new industry. The industry itself is barely beginning to catch the attention of the public, and no individual companies in it are even close to being well-known (even to many who've heard of bitcoin).
[2017-06-08 16:25] ID=10376 Rahoos: So it shouldn't be surprising that there are no exchanges, no liquid market, and nobody tracking performance outside the individual investors and company insiders. And it shouldn't be surprising that company insiders aren't talking to us enough, since that's normal in all analogous cases.
[2017-06-08 16:28] ID=10377 BB_Martino: inb4 rebuttal of "i know what i'm talking about, bro"
[2017-06-08 16:32] ID=10378 Rahoos: @jeromerousselot and @Rassah, I think it would help a lot if you guys start a blog on Medium or something, write a FAQ, pin a link to it in this channel, and then moderate this channel to redirect inquiries and complaints to more appropriate channels or venues. Then use this channel or Twitter/Reddit for daily or weekly updates.
[2017-06-08 16:34] ID=10379 BB_Martino: +1
[2017-06-08 16:40] ID=10380 Rahoos: @jeromerousselot and @Rassah, for a couple examples of great company or core involvement in the community, see\ntelegram.me/DashDigitalCash\ntelegram.me/bitmonero\ntelegram.me/trezortalk
[2017-06-08 16:43] ID=10381 Rahoos: Devs, executives, large stakeholders, and everyday users of all kinds mingling daily. If you or Alexander Kuzmin is afraid of this level of involvement with Mycelium's users and token holders, why?
[2017-06-08 16:43] ID=10382 BB_Martino: AK has never been around, Rassah is busy with actual work instead of public relations.
[2017-06-08 16:44] ID=10383 Rahoos: I do appreciate the level of involvement and transparency @Rassah has shown in this channel.
[2017-06-08 18:19] ID=10384 crsvld: hey guys, is this scam still active? I want to dump my useless ICO coins but this shit isn't traded anywhere. Anyone cares to buy them?
[2017-06-08 18:54] ID=10385 Waves.86: Any alts you guys are the investing in??
[2017-06-08 18:54] ID=10386 Waves.86: Go some golem
[2017-06-08 18:56] ID=10387 RE_ID=10349 Rassah: If you bought a token, you should have a legal document that came with it
[2017-06-08 18:57] ID=10388 RE_ID=10357 Rassah: That's a valid concern I agree with. I wish the company showed more financial info like it said it would
[2017-06-08 19:10] ID=10389 John Solano: Rassah is doing great!\nLet the guy work\n\nThe wallet is great.\nThe token has a future.\nThe sale stated it was a stake.\nThat's it.\n\nHaters stop posting the same shit. Annoying...\n(insert eye roll here)
[2017-06-08 19:14] ID=10390 RE_ID=10389 Anomaly: 👍👍👍👍
[2017-06-08 19:29] ID=10391 RE_ID=10375 Rassah: Thank you, but please don't make excuses for the company. I'm hoping if more people complain, there'll be more leverage to demand more transparency.\nOfficially I never said that.
[2017-06-08 19:54] ID=10392 crsvld: https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/6frx5j/okay_mycelium_enough_is_enough_wtf_happened_with/
[2017-06-08 19:55] ID=10393 crsvld: okay so it looks like this is gonna go bust
[2017-06-08 19:55] ID=10394 crsvld: anyone here interested in trying to recover our investment? I don't have the terms anymore but maybe we can get something back
[2017-06-08 19:59] ID=10395 Frankffm17: Hi rassah, ok But please Provide Information for a listing on Polo and bittrex... Any Time Schedule available? Still in discussion
[2017-06-08 19:59] ID=10396 crsvld: no one will list these tokens because they know people will just dump then and then forget about them
[2017-06-08 20:04] ID=10397 Frankffm17: So i guess the Money is lost
[2017-06-08 20:04] ID=10398 crsvld: I am considering it a loss
[2017-06-08 20:05] ID=10399 crsvld: But hopefully someone from community with enough BTC invested will hire a lawyer or something to review what this company has done and if the investors are entitled to some reimbursements
[2017-06-08 20:08] ID=10400 Frankffm17: We Should Brand the CEO as a Cheater in the Network
[2017-06-08 20:09] ID=10401 crsvld: they burned 4.5 mil or more
[2017-06-08 20:09] ID=10402 crsvld: on god knows what
[2017-06-08 20:12] ID=10403 Frankffm17: Rassah Change the Company better
[2017-06-08 20:15] ID=10404 Frankffm17: Brett and John do you want my Token?
[2017-06-08 22:35] ID=10405 Transisto: 
[2017-06-08 22:36] ID=10406 Transisto: Update from the competition, SamouraiWallet, unfunded
[2017-06-08 22:41] ID=10407 BB_Martino: Those are actually pretty good but they have lost a lot of trust when they publicly FUDed MyCelium on Twitter so it's not like I'm going to switch. Also they don't support Trezor the way MyCelium does the last time I checked.
[2017-06-08 22:46] ID=10408 AROMACOMPUTERS: I vote for @Rassah forking mycelium, to RassahWallet.
[2017-06-08 22:46] ID=10409 AROMACOMPUTERS: Management is the issue here, so the community should fire them
[2017-06-08 22:48] ID=10410 AROMACOMPUTERS: IMO\nIf Rassah had control of money, we wouldnt be in this position today.
[2017-06-09 02:41] ID=10411 RE_ID=10409 hodlon: Except all token holders only claim 5% equity. Last I checked a 5% stake in something didn't give you much of a say.
[2017-06-09 02:43] ID=10412 RE_ID=10408 ShawnLeary: is it using ERC20RassaH Token?
[2017-06-09 04:22] ID=10413 RE_ID=10412 AROMACOMPUTERS: Lol\nNo token!
[2017-06-09 04:22] ID=10414 AROMACOMPUTERS: Rarepepe
[2017-06-09 04:22] ID=10415 AROMACOMPUTERS: RassahPepe
[2017-06-09 04:23] ID=10416 RE_ID=10401 Rassah: $2 mil or less actually 😔
[2017-06-09 04:23] ID=10417 AROMACOMPUTERS: Had it been hodld\nWould be running gold plated ram
[2017-06-09 04:24] ID=10418 RE_ID=10406 Rassah: I'm wondering what they will do when it comes time to pay the bills
[2017-06-09 04:24] ID=10419 Rassah: Of all the competitors, it's still Airbitz that's the most serious one, honestly
[2017-06-09 04:26] ID=10420 RE_ID=10410 Rassah: *maybe* but I doubt it. There were expenses I wouldn't have been able to prevent either. I probably would have been a bit more transparent, but I'm not really a great manager either. I may have been too lenient on my devs too.
[2017-06-09 04:28] ID=10421 AROMACOMPUTERS: Well, wheres the other 2 Mil?
[2017-06-09 04:28] ID=10422 Rassah: What other? That's all we got
[2017-06-09 04:29] ID=10423 AROMACOMPUTERS: Oh ya you sold at 450
[2017-06-09 04:29] ID=10424 AROMACOMPUTERS: Was thinking 1,000
[2017-06-09 04:30] ID=10425 AROMACOMPUTERS: Did you, or ceo.\nIf not you, would you have too?
[2017-06-09 04:33] ID=10426 Rassah: We sold at $450 or $500. Thing is, the company used to hold money in BTC, and our CEO had his own money in Russia as rubles. Then in one year Bitcoin crashed from $1000 down to $250, and the ruble crashed about 80%. He lost a whole lot of money. It was a rough year for the company (similar to now, where we have barely anything to pay with). Since then I guess he was paranoid, and thinking since salaries and other expenses are denominated in USD and EUR, it's best we have the money in those instead of BTC.
[2017-06-09 04:34] ID=10427 Rassah: I didn't have that dreadful experience, so I probably would have kept it in BTC, but, I didn't have that dreadful experience.
[2017-06-09 04:35] ID=10428 RE_ID=10427 AROMACOMPUTERS: I figured you have learned since the prius
[2017-06-09 04:35] ID=10429 Rassah: Oh, that too XD
[2017-06-09 04:35] ID=10430 AROMACOMPUTERS: 
[2017-06-09 05:28] ID=10431 RE_ID=10426 Transisto: Might sound simplistic but by holding bitcoin you would not have had to worry about expenses of creating a wallet should it have failed. I can't comprehend a bitcoin company not holding bitcoin when the purpose of their existence depends on the success of Bitcoin.
[2017-06-09 05:29] ID=10432 Transisto: Blockchain.Info is laughing their asses off.
[2017-06-09 05:33] ID=10433 Transisto: "schildbach bitcoin wallet", coinbase and bc.info all have more than 1 million download on android while mycelium is at 100k that's competition too.
[2017-06-09 06:56] ID=10434 AROMACOMPUTERS: People seem to seek out alternatives when those ^^ screw em over...\nand find mycelium and airbitz
[2017-06-09 06:56] ID=10435 AROMACOMPUTERS: Bt ya, their dominating google hits, with the worst offerings
[2017-06-09 07:17] ID=10436 Rassah: Well, one of those actually has the name "bitcoin wallet," and Coinbase isn't a wallet but an exchange, and often the first way for someone to be able to buy bitcoin in the first place.
[2017-06-09 07:18] ID=10437 AROMACOMPUTERS: And they both burned like 100, 200 million
[2017-06-09 07:20] ID=10438 Rassah: Not Schildbach one. And Coinbase is actually profitable
[2017-06-09 07:25] ID=10439 RE_ID=10438 AROMACOMPUTERS: Speaking of that....\nDoes anyone have a working script to decrypt a wallet?\nI forgot my pin 😂😂😂
[2017-06-09 07:26] ID=10440 AROMACOMPUTERS: Only 100,000 possibilities
[2017-06-09 10:14] ID=10441 ImadL: Is it possible
[2017-06-09 10:14] ID=10442 ImadL: to sign a message
[2017-06-09 10:14] ID=10443 ImadL: from a paper wallet?
[2017-06-09 12:24] ID=10444 RE_ID=10443 TheSatMan: Yes - offline signing is in general possible...
[2017-06-09 12:24] ID=10445 ImadL: Well how? using Mycelium
[2017-06-09 12:36] ID=10446 RE_ID=10445 TheSatMan: I dont know - some body else in here can may be help you... @Rassah
[2017-06-09 12:39] ID=10447 adamvp: None
[2017-06-09 12:39] ID=10448 adamvp: Morning Ladies and Gentelmans
[2017-06-09 13:05] ID=10449 ???: @ImadL Don't know if you can do it with mycelium but someone made a tutorial for signing offline transactions with electrum: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DQumISxkJsQ&feature=youtu.be
[2017-06-09 13:21] ID=10450 ImadL: I don't want to sign transactions
[2017-06-09 13:21] ID=10451 ImadL: I want to sign a message
[2017-06-09 13:49] ID=10452 Transisto: Just import your key to mycelium and THAT'S IT
[2017-06-09 17:09] ID=10453 dimitrr: None
[2017-06-09 18:42] ID=10455 thorbjorn: LOL.
[2017-06-09 18:43] ID=10456 thorbjorn: Where is this?
[2017-06-09 21:46] ID=10459 Beshology: None
[2017-06-09 22:09] ID=10460 adamvp: another scam? omg :/
[2017-06-09 22:54] ID=10461 DoubleYouSee23: Swish didn't get their minimum so the money will be refunded eventually.
[2017-06-09 22:55] ID=10462 DoubleYouSee23: This is a much higher priority than anything else IMO.
[2017-06-09 22:55] ID=10463 Rassah: Eventually... Hopefully...
[2017-06-09 22:55] ID=10464 DoubleYouSee23: hopefully? What the fuck dude
[2017-06-09 22:55] ID=10465 DoubleYouSee23: Refunds should have been done within 30 days, this is getting ridiculous
[2017-06-09 22:56] ID=10466 DoubleYouSee23: Pay back swish funders and it will garner a lot of trust.
[2017-06-09 22:57] ID=10467 DoubleYouSee23: Anyone who paid attention to the MT crowdsale should know it was a long term hold, but this swish thing does not make me comfortable with mycelium
[2017-06-09 22:59] ID=10468 DoubleYouSee23: So now that you're not the person to talk to @Rassah who do we talk to about this?
[2017-06-09 23:03] ID=10469 RE_ID=10468 AROMACOMPUTERS: Good question.\nIs it @jeromerousselot  ?
[2017-06-09 23:09] ID=10470 Rassah: I guess I'm still the contact person, but bug Jerome too
[2017-06-09 23:17] ID=10471 RE_ID=10470 DoubleYouSee23: Actually o did about a week ago and he hasn't even read the message yet
[2017-06-09 23:18] ID=10472 DoubleYouSee23: If you guys didn't make enough to even fund the project then logically you can't even owe that much to your backers. When you're in debt you pay back the smallest debts first, so this should happen really soon
[2017-06-09 23:21] ID=10474 DoubleYouSee23: Sorry to be salty, but if you scroll back through the chatlog you'll see that I've been a very vocal supporter of you guys (and a monetary supporter of mycelium, swish and entropy) and your products, but I'm starting to feel really stupid for doing that. I may have been the one who was wrong this whole time.
[2017-06-09 23:25] ID=10475 RE_ID=10471 Rassah: I think he only checks the support system, not the info@ emails
[2017-06-09 23:32] ID=10476 Inmensuss: None
[2017-06-10 00:16] ID=10477 Kebabmannen: None
[2017-06-10 01:16] ID=10478 adamvp: So straight speaking, Everything you touch turns into sh** :/ Even such badmanaged project like LISK brights today..
[2017-06-10 01:31] ID=10479 hodlon: What is Swish.
[2017-06-10 01:45] ID=10480 RE_ID=10478 Rassah: Not sure who you're talking to here, but rude
[2017-06-10 05:46] ID=10481 df: I just spent a $35 fee with a transaction with one input and one output. :l
[2017-06-10 06:05] ID=10482 Rassah: 😨 that's crazy! Did you check the fee amount before hitting send?
[2017-06-10 06:09] ID=10483 df: I did not take a good look.
[2017-06-10 06:11] ID=10484 Rassah: Can you please email us the transaction info so we can take a look at it?
[2017-06-10 06:11] ID=10485 Jeremygram: 336 unread messages??? \nWhat were you guys talking 'bout?
[2017-06-10 06:17] ID=10486 df: Sorry my bad. I missed seeing a 0. It was a $3 fee. Sorry
[2017-06-10 06:17] ID=10487 df: I been up too long today.
[2017-06-10 06:17] ID=10488 Jeremygram: 😂
[2017-06-10 06:18] ID=10489 RE_ID=10483 Jeremygram: you indeed didn't take a good look
[2017-06-10 06:19] ID=10490 RE_ID=10486 Rassah: Oh, phewh!
[2017-06-10 06:19] ID=10491 Rassah: Scary bugs are scary
[2017-06-10 06:46] ID=10493 Transisto: Rassah:\nCan you please email us the transaction info so we can take a look at it?\n\nThis is why mycelium isn't going anywhere... We're getting about 3 calls a day of people with stuck transaction. If i was the person wasting time on these i would never get anything done.
[2017-06-10 06:47] ID=10494 Transisto: There are about 100 people in that room that can do these sorts of things, and fill bug reports when needed.
[2017-06-10 06:49] ID=10495 RE_ID=10480 adamvp: I am  very sorry but I am very disappointed.. And if you call my words rude, what can you tell about collecting funds and give nothing back, even  short information :(
[2017-06-10 12:24] ID=10496 RE_ID=10479 ShortFatUglyDumb: Credit card processor for buying BTC on that particular screen in Myc app.
[2017-06-10 13:53] ID=10497 RE_ID=10496 Rassah: That's Simplex
[2017-06-10 16:44] ID=10498 RE_ID=10069 AROMACOMPUTERS: https://twitter.com/fluffypony/status/873579995167416322
[2017-06-10 17:22] ID=10499 Rassah: Yeah, I didn't want to warn anyone about that whole general thing because talking bad about competition is not nice
[2017-06-10 17:25] ID=10500 RE_ID=10499 AROMACOMPUTERS: Warning is warning
[2017-06-10 17:26] ID=10501 AROMACOMPUTERS: You knew?
[2017-06-10 17:27] ID=10502 Rassah: I knew about their company competency. Not about this specifically. Basically I'm not at all surprised.
[2017-06-10 17:28] ID=10503 AROMACOMPUTERS: Oh ok
[2017-06-10 21:40] ID=10504 ShortFatUglyDumb: I've never used Jaxx, but I was always skeptical at how they cud crank out support 4 so many diff platforms & so many diff coins. I figured some aspect of their design or biz model wud suffer some cut corners somewhere.
[2017-06-10 21:41] ID=10505 GuerraMoneta: So terms for a normal user?
[2017-06-10 21:42] ID=10506 GuerraMoneta: Do not trust jaxx at all with big amount?
[2017-06-10 21:42] ID=10507 Rassah: Not at all, no
[2017-06-10 21:42] ID=10508 Rassah: I mean I wouldn't
[2017-06-10 21:42] ID=10509 Rassah: But do your own research
[2017-06-10 22:19] ID=10514 thorbjorn: If it doesn't support a hardware wallet, it won't see my Bitcoin.
[2017-06-11 00:16] ID=10515 RE_ID=10514 ShortFatUglyDumb: Sounds like a prudent personal policy.
[2017-06-11 16:34] ID=10517 df: I use Jaxx to hold a small amount of Zcash for local trades. I would pay a one time $25-35 cost if there was a premium android Zcash wallet.
[2017-06-11 16:35] ID=10518 RE_ID=10517 basavk: Why don't you get Trezor or ledger nano s?
[2017-06-11 16:36] ID=10519 RE_ID=10518 df: I mean a android wallet.
[2017-06-11 16:38] ID=10520 RE_ID=10519 basavk: There is always a problem of Rogue Android apps exfiltrating the data. If you are security conscious better move to hardware wallet.
[2017-06-11 16:50] ID=10521 GuerraMoneta: All wallet apps need to support HWW
[2017-06-11 16:50] ID=10522 GuerraMoneta: If they don't it's ded to me for the most part
[2017-06-12 01:15] ID=10523 RE_ID=10517 ZaCkRrr: Use coinomi
[2017-06-12 17:47] ID=10524 Cme: https://cointelegraph.com/news/jaxx-wallet-vulnerability-users-report-400k-funds-thefts
[2017-06-12 17:47] ID=10525 Cme: not great pr
[2017-06-12 22:46] ID=10526 DoubleYouSee23: I am looking forward to the plugin version of mycelium so much. I used jaxx in the past for small amounts of alts, and I may need to again in the future... I hate it, I hate it so much...
[2017-06-13 04:27] ID=10527 Alchemic: Any plan to add other coins to mycelium. Maybe litecoin 😁 or dash 😊 or monero 😏 or maybe ETC 😎?
[2017-06-13 05:38] ID=10528 DoubleYouSee23: (Not a dev bit I think I can answer that) not with the current wallet. When the rewrite is done I THINK plugins can be written to allow that.
[2017-06-13 06:01] ID=10529 Kebabmannen: Waves Will be intregrated!
[2017-06-13 06:05] ID=10530 DoubleYouSee23: If that's true it wont be until the major wallet update is released
[2017-06-13 06:05] ID=10531 DoubleYouSee23: Side question, what's the draw of waves anyway?
[2017-06-13 06:28] ID=10532 Kebabmannen: Whats going on with the mt tokens?
[2017-06-13 06:42] ID=10533 DoubleYouSee23: still waiting for the company to be profitable. can't share dividends without profit
[2017-06-13 06:43] ID=10534 DoubleYouSee23: They weren't creating an altcoin, they were using the blockchain to create and store shares which could be traded without an intermediary.
[2017-06-13 19:28] ID=10535 Rahoos: Orbot down?
[2017-06-14 09:28] ID=10536 ayobuenavista: None
[2017-06-14 17:30] ID=10537 onefox: doesn't work for me :/
[2017-06-14 17:38] ID=10538 Rassah: Seems to work ok here
[2017-06-14 18:11] ID=10539 Pepy Ganea: Seling 1.1 mycelium tokens , prv me if intrested
[2017-06-14 18:14] ID=10540 GB: Since bitmain is hardforking on Aug 4 which coin will mycelium be supporting?
[2017-06-14 18:16] ID=10541 Rassah: ???
[2017-06-14 18:16] ID=10542 Rassah: No idea
[2017-06-14 18:31] ID=10543 AROMACOMPUTERS: The longest chain, right?
[2017-06-14 18:33] ID=10544 AROMACOMPUTERS: Question\nIf I am using actual paper for a single key...\nIt doesnt matter what happens, in a sense.  As long as im sitting cold, the Priv key is still valid, right?
[2017-06-14 18:37] ID=10545 Rassah: Right
[2017-06-14 19:04] ID=10546 RE_ID=10543 GB: They say they are hardforking so chain length doesn't matter anymore.  I just want to know if I will be using this wallet or another after they do
[2017-06-14 19:05] ID=10547 RE_ID=10546 AROMACOMPUTERS: With a custom node selection it wouldnt matter...  has that rolled out yet?
[2017-06-14 19:06] ID=10548 GB: Last I heard no but I could be wrong, @Rassah ?
[2017-06-14 19:10] ID=10549 Rassah: No
[2017-06-14 19:30] ID=10550 AROMACOMPUTERS: https://blog.bitmain.com/en/uahf-contingency-plan-uasf-bip148/
[2017-06-14 19:31] ID=10551 AROMACOMPUTERS: Disagree or agree\nId say this is well written and they have finally articluated themselves.
[2017-06-14 21:05] ID=10552 DoubleYouSee23: I think people tend to overlook the fact that Bitcoin was specifically designed to work with all of the participants working in their own best interests. I can't fully support any group out there, but I'm happy that progress is slow, but progressing. If it were easy to change the network, it would be easy to take over the network IMO
[2017-06-14 21:28] ID=10553 GB: Still need to know which chain you will be following @rassah any idea when you can announce?
[2017-06-14 21:48] ID=10554 RE_ID=10553 DoubleYouSee23: hopefully the longest chain. Cause... that's how bitcoin works. Whether you prefer a different path or not
[2017-06-14 21:48] ID=10555 DoubleYouSee23: I'd love ms some SegWit, on the longest chain
[2017-06-14 21:51] ID=10556 RE_ID=10554 GB: Not after a hard fork.  If there is a hardfork the two chains are distinct.  No longest chain shit.  You actually have to make a decision
[2017-06-14 21:52] ID=10557 GB: They become two completely separate coins after a HARD fork
[2017-06-14 21:57] ID=10558 DoubleYouSee23: a hard fork is not a chain split, though that is a common misconception. A softfork adds new rules, a hardfork removes old rules
[2017-06-14 21:58] ID=10559 DoubleYouSee23: And what bip148 and 149 do is considered a softfork anyway
[2017-06-14 22:03] ID=10560 AROMACOMPUTERS: In th bitmain blog references at bottom, thers a link to what exchanges and walets can do to mitigate risk
[2017-06-14 22:21] ID=10561 RE_ID=10559 GB: I'm not referring to BIP 148/9 I'm referring to bitmain stating that they are going to hardfork and premined a new chain if 148 happens which is essentially guaranteed at this point
[2017-06-14 22:25] ID=10562 RE_ID=10561 AROMACOMPUTERS: Essentialy guaranteeing no transactions will be succesful on minor chain.  By wiping out 10 or more blocks at a time and reorging the minor chain with empty blocks.
[2017-06-14 22:26] ID=10563 AROMACOMPUTERS: Idk what people expected from threatening fork to 148 or else
[2017-06-14 22:26] ID=10564 AROMACOMPUTERS: But this is reality speaking now
[2017-06-14 22:26] ID=10565 RE_ID=10562 GB: No because they start their chain with an invalid block > 1mb that chain will never reorganize 148.  Also all of their blocks will be invalid as they won't be signaling swgwit
[2017-06-14 22:27] ID=10566 GB: 148 chain cannot be reorged because it ignores non segwit signalling blocks
[2017-06-14 22:27] ID=10567 GB: Especially with a >1mb block
[2017-06-14 22:27] ID=10568 GB: Completely ignored
[2017-06-14 22:28] ID=10569 RE_ID=10565 AROMACOMPUTERS: Not on mainchain they wont.\nTheyd spin up (more) hash than minor chain has, on minor chain (privately) not releasing blocks until say, 10, then reogring the minor chain.  Sending all transactions back to mem pool.\nWash rinse repeat.\nTil uasf says uncle\nOr\nChanges algo.\nat which point, new algo is attacked in identical way, by massive gpu farms.\nUntil uncle.
[2017-06-14 22:29] ID=10570 DoubleYouSee23: 148 has pretty underwhelming support numbers wise too, head over to the bitcoin core comminty telegram to read Timon explain why he as a core dev cannot support 148, and claims that if people actually understood UASF they would not support it either
[2017-06-14 22:29] ID=10571 RE_ID=10570 AROMACOMPUTERS: Not supported with hash though, just talk.
[2017-06-14 22:29] ID=10572 DoubleYouSee23: yup
[2017-06-14 22:30] ID=10573 RE_ID=10553 Rassah: We don't know yet
[2017-06-14 22:30] ID=10574 DoubleYouSee23: (notice I said underwhelming, not overwhelming, in case you missed that)
[2017-06-14 22:30] ID=10575 Rassah: Whichever chain is the most secure I guess
[2017-06-14 22:32] ID=10576 RE_ID=10574 AROMACOMPUTERS: Oh I did
[2017-06-14 22:33] ID=10577 AROMACOMPUTERS: References\n\nFor other parties in the ecosystem, we recommend detailed research on effects of the UASF. All Bitcoin businesses must be prepared on that day to mitigate or eliminate the risks that UASF carries.\n\nMitigating Bitcoin Forking Risk during Network Upgrade, https://github.com/digitsu/splitting-bitcoin
[2017-06-14 22:33] ID=10578 RE_ID=10577 AROMACOMPUTERS: @Rassah
[2017-06-14 22:33] ID=10579 DoubleYouSee23: yea, trezor will stop selling for btc on aug 1st. First time in their history they'll accept fiat only. Sad times
[2017-06-14 22:34] ID=10580 RE_ID=10579 AROMACOMPUTERS: They better
[2017-06-14 22:35] ID=10581 AROMACOMPUTERS: Game of chicken, called out by uasf, is on.\nExcept the miners are coding it to execute after uasf.  In a sense, coded it to turn the wheel, last.
[2017-06-14 22:39] ID=10582 DoubleYouSee23: this whole argument reminds me of two kids swinging their fists around randomly, closing their eyes, and walking towards eachother screaming "If i hit you it's not my fault, I'm just swinging my arms, You'd better move or it's your fault"
[2017-06-14 22:39] ID=10583 RE_ID=10582 AROMACOMPUTERS: lol!
[2017-06-14 22:40] ID=10584 AROMACOMPUTERS: Theory that miners will bend over and say uncle 1st,  debunked.
[2017-06-14 22:41] ID=10585 AROMACOMPUTERS: For me, tells me its gonna be ok
[2017-06-14 22:41] ID=10586 RE_ID=10584 DoubleYouSee23: yea, i can't believe people thought that would happen
[2017-06-14 23:17] ID=10587 RE_ID=10532 bigs21024: Not a thing you can't get a strait answer it's always walking around the subject. Honestly as bad as I hate to say it I think it was a scan and mycelium needed money for shit, so what a good idea sell your users pure shit and they will buy it. Oh well I use to love mycelium but slowly loosing patients here
[2017-06-14 23:34] ID=10588 BB_Martino: Are you a doctor?
[2017-06-14 23:55] ID=10589 RE_ID=10587 DoubleYouSee23: I'm not sure what you mean about not getting a straight answer. We surely haven't gotten the answer we all want, but it's pretty clear in the chat history
[2017-06-15 14:12] ID=10590 bigs21024: Like I said you can't get a straight answer and @BB_Martino I am how did you know
[2017-06-15 14:13] ID=10591 RE_ID=10590 Rassah: What do you need answered?
[2017-06-15 21:32] ID=10592 Transisto: 
[2017-06-15 21:33] ID=10593 Transisto: It'd be great to have lower minimum fee for internal transfer
[2017-06-15 21:33] ID=10594 Transisto: (that's samouraiwallet)
[2017-06-15 22:41] ID=10595 RE_ID=10591 bigs21024: Like I said I would love to see where all the money went that everybody bought in. Where was it used and how much. I mean why not be transparent like you are suppose to be. Maybe proof of anything would be nice. It's like we own shares to nothing something that does not exist. I mean @Rassah  it is nothing personal I think you are great and I have used the wallet for years but this whole token thing has been so strange. When if ever are token holders going to get anything for what they bought and put in for the company.
[2017-06-15 22:57] ID=10596 Rassah: :( Unfortunately I know as much as you do. Corporate restructuring and legal used up a lot of the money, the rest spent on managerial and developer salaries, and overhead. Regarding what you got, it's still stake in the company. Our company revenues are going up, so at least that's a good trend. Hopefully eventually they'll be enough to cover costs and we'll be able to pay something out
[2017-06-15 23:02] ID=10597 bigs21024: We will see but would be nuce to see written proof as we all deserve and maybe an announcement from higher ups about somethung
[2017-06-15 23:10] ID=10598 Rassah: Yes it would
[2017-06-16 08:32] ID=10599 ChrisB17: where is the co registered @rass
[2017-06-16 08:32] ID=10600 ChrisB17: ?
[2017-06-16 08:32] ID=10601 ChrisB17: u seem to give out random statements but no useful evidence
[2017-06-16 08:33] ID=10602 RE_ID=10598 ethbitsMarketingPR: what about trading :)
[2017-06-16 11:46] ID=10604 Rassah: Latvia I think
[2017-06-16 18:06] ID=10605 mmjj121231: None
[2017-06-16 18:08] ID=10606 ethbitsMarketingPR: Rassah will we be able to trade these tokens?
[2017-06-16 18:14] ID=10607 Rassah: I hope so?
[2017-06-17 01:58] ID=10608 Transisto: "Corporate restructuring and legal used up a lot of the money, the rest spent on managerial and developer salaries, and overhead. "  I like the you put developer salaries as 2nd last while the money was supposed to build a new wallet and close to nothing has been done, heck the wallet isn't even SPV and that's what you said you worked onto instead.
[2017-06-17 02:09] ID=10609 DoubleYouSee23: Well developers would be the ones building the new wallet, so they need salaries. And they did work on it, but discovered vulnerabilities in apple's implementation of plug-ins so they had to scrap that. I believe some of the code got reused in the "old" wallet. As for SPV... yea that would be nice.
[2017-06-17 02:45] ID=10610 RE_ID=10608 Rassah: It's almost SPV. Unfortunately prior bills had to be paid first. SPV was "almost ready" for months 😔
[2017-06-20 03:17] ID=10611 grassfedgoat: i might not be caught up, but what's going on with mycelium fees?
[2017-06-20 03:18] ID=10612 Rassah: Which ones?
[2017-06-20 03:18] ID=10613 grassfedgoat: the fees that the mobile wallet automatically includes
[2017-06-20 03:18] ID=10614 grassfedgoat: is it possible to select fees yourself? i don't see it in my app
[2017-06-20 03:20] ID=10615 Rassah: You should be able to select from four levels of fees, but not a manual amount
[2017-06-20 03:20] ID=10616 grassfedgoat: maybe i have to update, what's the newest version?
[2017-06-20 03:20] ID=10617 grassfedgoat: i'm on v14
[2017-06-20 03:22] ID=10618 Rassah: Android or iOS?
[2017-06-20 03:22] ID=10619 grassfedgoat: ios
[2017-06-20 03:22] ID=10620 Rassah: Oh. Uh...
[2017-06-20 03:22] ID=10621 Rassah: We haven't had many upgrades on that one for a while.
[2017-06-20 03:22] ID=10622 grassfedgoat: do you think it's possible to make an update soon?
[2017-06-20 03:22] ID=10623 grassfedgoat: 
[2017-06-20 03:22] ID=10624 grassfedgoat: that's kinda insane
[2017-06-20 03:23] ID=10625 grassfedgoat: like insane enough to make me stop using mycelium
[2017-06-20 03:23] ID=10626 grassfedgoat: and regret investing
[2017-06-20 03:23] ID=10627 Rassah: You may want to check out Airbitz until we get another iOS guy
[2017-06-20 03:23] ID=10628 Rassah: What's that in USD?
[2017-06-20 03:23] ID=10629 grassfedgoat: a lot more than it should be for 1 input
[2017-06-20 03:24] ID=10630 grassfedgoat: it was like $9 usd at the time
[2017-06-20 03:24] ID=10631 grassfedgoat: on a $10 purchase
[2017-06-20 03:24] ID=10632 grassfedgoat: so.... yeah
[2017-06-20 03:24] ID=10633 Rassah: Android is saying 0.48071 mBTC right now
[2017-06-20 03:24] ID=10634 Rassah: Yeah, that's not right
[2017-06-20 03:24] ID=10635 grassfedgoat: well, it happened
[2017-06-20 03:24] ID=10636 Rassah: Happened already?
[2017-06-20 03:24] ID=10637 grassfedgoat: yeah a few days ago
[2017-06-20 03:25] ID=10638 grassfedgoat: i didn't have the time to deal with worrying about it so i just started using copay
[2017-06-20 03:25] ID=10639 grassfedgoat: but i just wanted to check in
[2017-06-20 03:25] ID=10640 grassfedgoat: because that's not right
[2017-06-20 03:26] ID=10641 teamnearandl: Rassah is there any way to see recent development?
[2017-06-20 03:26] ID=10642 Rassah: That is absolutely not right. Can you email [email protected] please? Include the transaction too. They'll want to look at it
[2017-06-20 03:26] ID=10643 RE_ID=10641 Rassah: GitHub?
[2017-06-20 03:27] ID=10644 teamnearandl: Like a blog?
[2017-06-20 03:27] ID=10645 grassfedgoat: i will write it down and send you an e-mail when i get to it
[2017-06-20 03:27] ID=10646 grassfedgoat: it doesn't sound like fixing it is a priority, so i'll give it equal priority on my list of things to do
[2017-06-20 03:27] ID=10647 grassfedgoat: if anyone wants to buy mycelium tokens let me know
[2017-06-20 03:27] ID=10648 grassfedgoat: :P
[2017-06-20 03:28] ID=10649 teamnearandl: How much is the monthly revenue now?
[2017-06-20 03:30] ID=10650 teamnearandl: Are we above 20k USD a month enough to pay 2 developers?
[2017-06-20 03:30] ID=10651 RE_ID=10650 Rassah: Not yet
[2017-06-20 03:31] ID=10652 teamnearandl: Are we above 10k a month?
[2017-06-20 03:31] ID=10653 Rassah: I don't know. I don't think so
[2017-06-20 03:31] ID=10654 Rassah: That would be massive growth in just one month.
[2017-06-20 03:31] ID=10655 teamnearandl: Ok
[2017-06-20 03:32] ID=10656 teamnearandl: I believe in the project, always thought it was long term
[2017-06-20 03:32] ID=10657 teamnearandl: Just to bad there were problems and costs
[2017-06-20 03:32] ID=10658 Rassah: I do too, even if it stumbled so much
[2017-06-20 03:32] ID=10659 Rassah: There are very good people working on it.
[2017-06-20 03:33] ID=10660 teamnearandl: I'm not really worried about that either
[2017-06-20 03:34] ID=10661 teamnearandl: What worries me is I think there was a special clause saying he could buy us out with what we put in
[2017-06-20 03:34] ID=10662 Rassah: Oh, yeah, that confused people
[2017-06-20 03:37] ID=10663 Rassah: Basically, the contract is that the value of what you have is P+G, where P is the price of the token, which never changes and is fixed at $400-something, and G is growth in company value, which changes as the company grows (or doesn't). So the tokens themselves will always be worth the same to the company. Yes, if the company wanted to buy them back, it would offer the same price you bought them for P. But you still have the G, which you can request as a cash payout
[2017-06-20 03:38] ID=10664 teamnearandl: Oh ok
[2017-06-20 03:39] ID=10665 Rassah: So, for example, if the company valuation doubled, your token would still be worth the same $400-something, but you would also have a claim to another $400+ of growth. And if the company offered to buy them back, you don't have to sell. Or you could request the $400+ growth payout, and then sell the token.
[2017-06-20 03:40] ID=10666 teamnearandl: Oh ok
[2017-06-20 03:41] ID=10667 teamnearandl: I wish the owner was on here telling us his vision but i understand if he wants to keep quiet
[2017-06-20 03:41] ID=10668 teamnearandl: Also thank you for clearing that up
[2017-06-20 03:43] ID=10669 Rassah: It's still the same vision with the plugins and stuff
[2017-06-20 03:45] ID=10670 teamnearandl: It's going to expand to altcoins
[2017-06-20 03:46] ID=10671 teamnearandl: ?
[2017-06-20 03:49] ID=10672 Rassah: That too
[2017-06-20 03:58] ID=10673 teamnearandl: Is there a development timeline?
[2017-06-20 04:04] ID=10674 Rassah: There was, but we busted it big time a while ago
[2017-06-20 04:05] ID=10675 Rassah: At this point I unfortunately don't even know
[2017-06-20 06:04] ID=10677 Rassah: Not currently
[2017-06-20 10:25] ID=10680 RE_ID=10643 thorbjorn: That just indicates nothing is happening. One line of code changed in the last two weeks. Unless of course, you're still doing development in a private repository somewhere, which isn't very nice.
[2017-06-20 15:26] ID=10681 Giszmo: we do have an internal repo and push changes only upon releasing new versions.
[2017-06-20 15:27] ID=10682 Giszmo: i can see if i can update master but I'm hesitant to push branches like the modularization branch where lots of work happens. can ask the higher ups ...
[2017-06-20 15:28] ID=10683 Rassah: What's the downside to using a dev branch publicly that we merge with beta and then with master?
[2017-06-20 15:56] ID=10684 thorbjorn: It depends on how much transparency you want and whether you'd like to encourage possible community contributions. Being more open can help with that.
[2017-06-20 17:58] ID=10685 Giszmo: on the down-side it would add the extra effort to pushing to the public repo, as we probably will keep maintaining the private repo for stuff that's not yet ready for public scrutiny. 2 minutes each time or half an hour to configure some automatism.\n\non the up-side: external teams wouldn't need to get access on exactly that private repository and we could better work with publicly scrutinized pull requests. (Questions like "is jitpack.io acceptable?" for example could be commented on by people who have strong opinions on that and would safe me from going down that rabbit hole right now.)
[2017-06-20 18:55] ID=10686 Waves.86: What you guys think
[2017-06-20 18:55] ID=10687 Waves.86: Hold btc or invest in altcoins?
[2017-06-20 18:56] ID=10688 jandreske: This is not a trading advice channel.
[2017-06-20 18:56] ID=10689 Waves.86: You have channe?
[2017-06-20 18:56] ID=10690 Waves.86: Channel
[2017-06-20 20:56] ID=10692 bigs21024: I just read about high ass fees been happening to me also and I have it set on low fee scale and slower transaction in fact so low sometimes it takes days lol
[2017-06-20 20:59] ID=10693 RE_ID=10676 AROMACOMPUTERS: There's BreadWallet too, they started with ios.
[2017-06-20 21:00] ID=10694 bigs21024: I sent $19 and it charged me $7.76 I have not been using the wallet since I don't know what is up with mycelium I use to love it now I think they got greedy and taking money from every angle fees that stick it to us and the token deal some of us bought into was total shit no info and breakdown of all the money they had and where it went we deserve to see it and I would still like to see it we deserve that
[2017-06-20 21:01] ID=10695 RE_ID=10694 AROMACOMPUTERS: How many inputs\nFYI every wallet is being cursed for high fees.
[2017-06-20 21:02] ID=10696 AROMACOMPUTERS: People think these fees go to wallet devs.  IDK where that fud started
[2017-06-20 21:39] ID=10697 RE_ID=10693 Rassah: Airbitz is the only other professionally run company I would trust
[2017-06-20 21:40] ID=10698 RE_ID=10694 Rassah: We don't get anything from mining fees. You can check the transaction
[2017-06-20 21:40] ID=10699 Frankffm17: When is the rewrite planned... that Are good News to Start discuss with Kraken und bittrex again to\nAdd celium or?
[2017-06-20 21:43] ID=10700 Rassah: Uh, what?
[2017-06-20 21:43] ID=10701 RE_ID=10697 AROMACOMPUTERS: You no likey BreadWallet?\nI hear good things, if youre on ios that is
[2017-06-20 21:43] ID=10702 Rassah: Regarding rewrite, that's what we have been doing the last year
[2017-06-20 21:45] ID=10703 RE_ID=10701 Rassah: I don't know enough to comment. I think they're just a basic wallet.
[2017-06-20 21:46] ID=10704 AROMACOMPUTERS: I think so too.  Keepin it simple
[2017-06-21 13:10] ID=10706 Liedes: http://www.altcoincalendar.info/r/article/c93
[2017-06-21 13:10] ID=10707 Liedes: Former Mycelium Employee Quit After Token Sale Funds Were Used for Vacation
[2017-06-21 13:12] ID=10708 ImadL: wtf
[2017-06-21 13:12] ID=10709 ImadL: 😨
[2017-06-21 13:14] ID=10710 BB_Martino: That picture :D
[2017-06-21 13:14] ID=10711 BB_Martino: 
[2017-06-21 13:14] ID=10712 ImadL: lol
[2017-06-21 13:15] ID=10713 ZaCkRrr: 
[2017-06-21 13:15] ID=10714 ZaCkRrr: 
[2017-06-21 13:15] ID=10715 BB_Martino: reminds me of:
[2017-06-21 13:15] ID=10716 BB_Martino: 
[2017-06-21 13:25] ID=10717 BB_Martino: “The higher-ups had the lawyers work out to make sure the token sale was legal, and the high legal costs for the lawyers to work all that out unfortunately used up a lot of the funds raised too,” Murashchik added.\n\nThis is how I imagine it going down:\n\n<MyC> We want to do an ICO.\n<Lawyer> You can't do this, you're going to jail.\n<MyC> Tell us how it can be done legally then.\n<Lawyer> We'll try. It won't be cheap though.\n<MyC> We've collected a lot of dough. Just make it happen.\n<Lawyer> Here's a contract that says you have no responsibilities. Make the investors sign it. Here's your bill. Good luck with the dev.
[2017-06-21 13:33] ID=10718 Rassah: That vacation cost about $5000 for all 7 or 8 of us to stay there for a week, plus maybe another $3000 for travel costs due to two people flying from overseas. The rest drove or took the plane
[2017-06-21 13:36] ID=10719 Rassah: Daniel spent the time working to finish his CoinShuffle project (wasn't finished, and still isn't unfortunately), while we discussed issued with iOS and various platform we were experimenting with, and made plans on how we will proceed. Also Daniel's main reason for quitting was that he was offered to go back to work on the project he used to work for before, which he had much more interest in.
[2017-06-21 13:38] ID=10720 Rassah: He used to work for OpenTransactions with Chris Odom, the company was aquired by Monetas, then Monetas changed their plans and platform and laid him off, so I hired him, then Chris quit too, because he wanted to keep working on original OpenTransactions and decided to restart a new company to keep working, and Daniel wanted to go back to keep working on it like he used to. He actually let us know he was going to quit before the trip, so I don't know if he forgot that or what.
[2017-06-21 13:39] ID=10721 ImadL: Overall, do you guys have enough funding right now?
[2017-06-21 13:39] ID=10722 ImadL: or developers could stop because of the money anytime?
[2017-06-21 13:40] ID=10723 Rassah: Developers are still getting their salaries paid
[2017-06-21 13:40] ID=10724 Rassah: Unfortunately that's all I know for a fact
[2017-06-21 13:41] ID=10725 Rassah: BTW, Daniel is still a friend, and we hung out just yesterday.
[2017-06-21 14:50] ID=10726 seektree: None
[2017-06-21 14:51] ID=10727 seektree: what can i do with this MT token i bought in the crowdsale last year? any exchanges list MT?
[2017-06-21 15:40] ID=10729 CrystaBall: You can sell to me for cents on the dollar
[2017-06-21 16:58] ID=10730 crsvld: ehy @Rassah what can we hope for now? are we ever gonna see some positive news coming from mycelium or can we consider the ICO contribution a loss and move on?
[2017-06-21 17:20] ID=10731 Rassah: There was a bunch of positive news.
[2017-06-21 17:20] ID=10732 Rassah: the wallet is starting to make money, as was planned.
[2017-06-21 18:06] ID=10734 Rassah: 😞
[2017-06-21 18:49] ID=10736 RE_ID=10733 DoubleYouSee23: Afaiac this should be priority no 1.
[2017-06-21 18:50] ID=10737 hkrdrm: what happend with swisscoin
[2017-06-21 18:50] ID=10738 DoubleYouSee23: The fact that this hasn't happened has been the biggest thing to make me lose 1/2 my faith in Mycelium. The other half is still there, ams I still love you guys, but its pretty unjustifiable
[2017-06-21 18:50] ID=10739 RE_ID=10737 DoubleYouSee23: The project was cancelled when they didn't raise enough funds. But they never refunded the BTC they did raise
[2017-06-21 18:51] ID=10740 seektree: some bullshit
[2017-06-21 18:51] ID=10741 hkrdrm: wow yeah thats pretty bad
[2017-06-21 18:53] ID=10742 hkrdrm: @rassah so was the swisscoin money spent / squandered or is it getting returned?
[2017-06-21 18:55] ID=10743 DoubleYouSee23: *swishcoin
[2017-06-21 19:50] ID=10744 RE_ID=10742 Rassah: I don't even know about the Swishcoin thing until just a few months ago, way after it was done. No one on the Wallet team (besides maybe Jerome) did. Surprised us all
[2017-06-21 19:53] ID=10745 hkrdrm: is swish part of mycelium or third party plugin?
[2017-06-21 19:54] ID=10746 Rassah: Different service. Part of the company, but completely separate from the wallet
[2017-06-21 19:55] ID=10747 RE_ID=10746 ethbitsMarketingPR: yo! My 10 bitcoins went to a nice holiday hahah did you at least get hookers with that?
[2017-06-21 19:57] ID=10748 ethbitsMarketingPR: sorry My professional face has disappeared after dealing with users funds. We need a serious update man.
[2017-06-21 21:57] ID=10749 bigs21024: I can't wait to see where all the funds were used from the Mycelium Tokens
[2017-06-21 21:57] ID=10750 bigs21024: So excited
[2017-06-21 21:59] ID=10751 BB_Martino: The legal text you didn't read concerning the ICO terms & conditions.
[2017-06-21 21:59] ID=10752 BB_Martino: That's most of the result 👍 😊
[2017-06-21 22:26] ID=10753 RE_ID=10747 Rassah: I didn't get any of that, sorry :(
[2017-06-21 23:22] ID=10754 RE_ID=9325 franull: Well, your salaries seem to be from that money, too.\n\naren't hey?
[2017-06-21 23:23] ID=10755 RE_ID=10596 franull: ^\n\n" ... and developer salaries ... "
[2017-06-21 23:39] ID=10756 Rassah: Yeah
[2017-06-22 00:41] ID=10757 ShawnLeary: https://coinjournal.net/former-mycelium-employee-quit-token-sale-funds-used-vacation/
[2017-06-22 00:48] ID=10758 RE_ID=10757 DoubleYouSee23: That was already posted here and debunked.
[2017-06-22 00:49] ID=10759 DoubleYouSee23: A lot of us here have reason to be upset, but we need to stick to the actual problems, and stop pretending that we haven't gotten answers as to how the money was spent. @Rassah has been pretty open with answering queations
[2017-06-22 01:50] ID=10760 simik: None
[2017-06-22 01:54] ID=10761 RE_ID=10758 ShawnLeary: oh damn, someone posted in the Dojo.  sort of rings of what happen with danny and neobee with the rolls.  it fits the narrative and then ppl run with it.
[2017-06-22 06:34] ID=10762 Transisto: In the very back of head I was thinking at least I'll be supporting development of a good wallet if I don't make money off of it. Little did I know that the development would stop right after they raised money,
[2017-06-22 06:36] ID=10763 Transisto: They can say whatever,  None of the 10-15 simple github issues I made were addressed during the last year.  (appart from CPFP)
[2017-06-22 14:37] ID=10764 Giszmo: @Transisto yes, thank you for your activity on github but we do work and I would love to push our work branches to github but we had agreed to only release the code once we release the functionality in the wallet.
[2017-06-22 16:19] ID=10765 Rassah: Replacing the entire core of the wallet from bitlib to BitcoinJ, with is what's required to do SPV, SegWit, support for alts, and modules, was the biggest task we've had and what we focused on for the last year.
[2017-06-22 16:23] ID=10766 crsvld: @Rassah what should we do as particpants in the ICO?
[2017-06-22 16:23] ID=10767 Rassah: I don't know...
[2017-06-22 18:56] ID=10768 RE_ID=10757 bigs21024: Ain't that some shit, I guess this explains it.
[2017-06-22 18:59] ID=10769 bigs21024: Someone said it was debunked but I would like to see proof of that because there are some solid info and points on this
[2017-06-22 19:00] ID=10770 RE_ID=10767 bigs21024: Yeah and we don't either but you work for them so how can we get more info or get the higher ups to be a real company and get on here with us and talk
[2017-06-22 19:01] ID=10771 RE_ID=10769 Rassah: Like what? It's one guy said vs another guy said
[2017-06-23 00:26] ID=10772 bigs21024: Ok that really does not matter but when can we talk to one of the higher ups about our tokens and where money went and all that good stuff I'm sure plenty others would also love that
[2017-06-23 00:59] ID=10773 DoubleYouSee23: If you don't believe the countless answers we have already been given as to where the money went why would you believe the same information coming from someone else?
[2017-06-23 03:48] ID=10774 RE_ID=10772 Rassah: I would too. He doesn't post, or show up much
[2017-06-23 03:55] ID=10775 DoubleYouSee23: I'll just shut up now...
[2017-06-23 05:20] ID=10776 mrcheek: Why don't you guys just go public with your financial woes, show what you've acheived to date on minimum funds after all was spent on legals etc and then commit to another, more controlled, ICO using smart contract escrow for fixed milestones / payouts etc. You could arange for MT tokens to be exchanged directly for new ERC20 MT tokens that are more easily stored and tradeable....and you get to build what you promised. Everyone with MT tokens want to see the company succeed with the most user friendly, secure, multi coin/token wallet out there....but you are never going to acheive this in an agreeable timeframe if you are running on such a tiny budget month to month.
[2017-06-23 05:59] ID=10777 sec ond: The amount raised from ICO is enough to hire 10 to 20 programmer in India or china.
[2017-06-23 07:28] ID=10778 BB_Martino: May not be enough to hire 10 to 20 *good* programmers in India or China. Also very risky and time consuming to find them.
[2017-06-23 13:15] ID=10779 RE_ID=10776 Rassah: Because I haven't been paid in month, so don't really have any incentive to post anything public, and I suspect our CEO won't bother.
[2017-06-23 13:15] ID=10781 Ziomik: aaaporkodio
[2017-06-23 13:20] ID=10794 Waves.86: I just read that article
[2017-06-23 13:20] ID=10797 Waves.86: Your dev quit
[2017-06-23 13:20] ID=10798 Waves.86: Yeah freaking vacation
[2017-06-23 13:20] ID=10799 Rassah: Yeah, he wanted to go back to working on OpenTransactions. He was working on CoinShuffle, not the wallet itself
[2017-06-23 13:20] ID=10801 Rassah: It wasn't a vacation.
[2017-06-23 13:21] ID=10802 Waves.86: Did you not see the article
[2017-06-23 13:21] ID=10803 Rassah: Of course I did
[2017-06-23 13:21] ID=10804 BB_Martino: He's already responded to the claims.
[2017-06-23 13:21] ID=10805 Waves.86: https://news.bitcoin.com/mycelium-employee-quits-after-ico-funds-was-used-for-spanish-vacation/--
[2017-06-23 13:21] ID=10806 thorbjorn: It's a sensationalist article, highlighting only that a likely well-intentioned team event just didn't have the intended effect. It put off some developers (or at least one) instead of motivating them to build the awesome wallet they were supposed to make.
[2017-06-23 13:22] ID=10807 BB_Martino: The money didn't go on vacations, a very small percentage was spent on everyone getting together in person.\n\nMost of the money went to lawyers for giving advice on how to collect money. That went to them. Which is way funnier if you ask me.
[2017-06-23 13:22] ID=10810 RE_ID=10802 Rassah: Our devs live all around the world. Two are in Europe, two including the one who quit in US, and one in Chile. The one in Chile was visiting family in Spain, and our CEO was going there too. Since everyone was going to be close, we decided to have a company meeting there.
[2017-06-23 13:23] ID=10811 Waves.86: It's cool man I'm done
[2017-06-23 13:23] ID=10812 Waves.86: Good luck
[2017-06-23 13:23] ID=10813 RE_ID=10805 Rassah: Oh, that article was retarded. Like seriously. It claimed that we tried to hide the fact that we diverted the money raised to pay developer salaries.
[2017-06-23 15:51] ID=10831 KingArchitect: None
[2017-06-23 21:37] ID=10841 Godson_Mansa: I see you're still defending this scam huh
[2017-06-23 21:38] ID=10842 Rassah: Only until it's an actual scam, instead of a "scam." But I'm thinking I should step away soon
[2017-06-23 22:38] ID=10843 DoubleYouSee23: that's really disappointing, but I can totally understand.  I feel like if you as a company can make of through this you'll be a bitcoin staple for life
[2017-06-23 22:45] ID=10844 Rahoos: Hm. @Rassah, if you leave, would Mycelium still use this channel to communicate news to token holders or is there any other method we should be watching?
[2017-06-24 00:07] ID=10845 Rassah: It would be the same. Leo and other devs are here and post too
[2017-06-24 00:18] ID=10846 Rahoos: Who are the other devs besides Leo?
[2017-06-24 00:35] ID=10847 Rassah: @jeromerousselot is the dev manager (Product Manager), @Giszmo (Leo) is the lead dev, then there's Nelson, Constantin, I don't know if Eugene is still around
[2017-06-24 00:41] ID=10848 KJ: The way things are looking folks is not good. Considering managers aren't being paid, I'm sure the same will happen for devs soon. Sure the wallet is now "making money" as planned, but then why haven't we gotten anything out of it? Because we're not going to of course. And remember originally , we would be paid when they did another ICO if I'm not mistaken, a 2nd round of funding , when the valuation would be alot higher. However, that will never happen because 1. They know they could never freaking get away with it with zero credibility 2. Even if they did try, nobody will invest because their CEO has known to be a thief
[2017-06-24 00:42] ID=10849 KJ: That's the reality of the situation. I check in periodically but that's how I see everything\n Been scammed a few times over my life. This has all the signs. I hate to say it because I love Mycelium and use it for my business but my 5 BTC is gone . Investing in Mycelium cost me alot more than just the 2K USD I put in because those bitcons would likely still be sitting around too
[2017-06-24 00:42] ID=10850 Rassah: You're not getting anything out of it because the wallet has to make enough to cover costs first. That includes salaries.
[2017-06-24 00:44] ID=10851 KJ: I understand what you're saying Rassah and appreciate you answering everyone's complaints and whining, but it's only a matter of time before people accept we will never get anything from our MT tokens (if they havent already)
[2017-06-24 00:45] ID=10852 Rassah: There's still hope it will keep growing and earning more, eventually finishing the plug-in feature I was hoping for, and earn enough to have profit to distribute, at which point we might have a second round, having proven that the company can earn money. But that seems a bit harder now.
[2017-06-24 00:45] ID=10853 KJ: That second round of funding is a pipedream, nobody will trust mycelium anymore
[2017-06-24 00:45] ID=10854 KJ: I doubt even 100k would be raised
[2017-06-24 00:46] ID=10855 Rassah: Yeah, I can't say I disagree.
[2017-06-24 00:46] ID=10856 KJ: How much has the wallet been earning
[2017-06-24 00:46] ID=10857 KJ: Can you provide any insight
[2017-06-24 00:46] ID=10858 KJ: And how does that compare to the goal we would need to reach
[2017-06-24 00:46] ID=10859 Rassah: I'm not sure. A few thousand a month at this point?
[2017-06-24 00:47] ID=10860 Rassah: I am not sure about that either. I wish I was more privy to the internal finances. I was supposed to have been.
[2017-06-24 00:48] ID=10861 Rassah: One of the things I was told during the crowdsale was that the company would be open about finances and publish quarterly financial reports. I kept pushing and reminding, but it never happened.
[2017-06-24 00:58] ID=10862 CashCoins: None
[2017-06-24 01:16] ID=10863 ysgjay: None
[2017-06-24 01:50] ID=10864 TheSatMan: I invested 10 BTC in MyCelium ... thus i have never used the app. but i believed in the (existing) project ...\n\nWhy should # 1 BTC wallet suddently shot down - in a time where Bitcoin and block chain technology has never been more in the spot light ...\n\nNo matter - if we / 2.500 investors were part of it - or not ... to me that simply does not make Any sense ...\nCall me naiv - but that is my 2 cents...
[2017-06-24 02:23] ID=10865 RE_ID=10853 bigs21024: are they really going to try to take more money
[2017-06-24 02:25] ID=10866 RE_ID=10860 bigs21024: what do they just have you running social media and such and keep you in the dark like they do us
[2017-06-24 02:28] ID=10867 RE_ID=10841 bigs21024: the man the myth the legend @Godson_Mansa whats up bro you been reading this shit, seems to be a total scam cant get answers or see where all the money was used. I guess hookers and blow
[2017-06-24 02:30] ID=10868 RE_ID=10773 bigs21024: your way off missing the point this was not for you
[2017-06-24 03:09] ID=10869 ysgjay: How are you making a few thousand a month. Never too late to email quarterly reports. Not hard to do either.
[2017-06-24 03:19] ID=10870 Giszmo: I'd love to share more. our two failed repos would at least proof some work and as we have 20 people on the midularization I feel it wouldn't hurt much to also publish this. but we are so close to releasing something, that we probably don't change plans now.
[2017-06-24 04:05] ID=10871 RE_ID=10869 Rassah: Credit card buying option, Local Trader, various affiliate links like Trezor and such
[2017-06-24 04:12] ID=10872 dimitrr: Local trader is free
[2017-06-24 04:18] ID=10873 ysgjay: All we want are previous reports. Hard to imagine you are making so little in the past year.
[2017-06-24 04:19] ID=10874 ysgjay: Not "all" we (mt holders) want, but that would be a start
[2017-06-24 04:19] ID=10875 ysgjay: Doubt you'd partner with purse if it doesn't generate income
[2017-06-24 04:21] ID=10876 ysgjay: Does mycelium hold any BTC? If so there are asset gains
[2017-06-24 04:21] ID=10877 DoubleYouSee23: Can you pin your affiliate links to this room?
[2017-06-24 14:06] ID=10878 seektree: who wants to buy my shitty MT token i bought in the ICO?? cost me 1 btc. basically $2600 today. ill take anything
[2017-06-24 14:06] ID=10879 seektree: what w joke
[2017-06-24 14:11] ID=10880 ZaCkRrr: i buy for 1 satoshi
[2017-06-24 14:20] ID=10881 seektree: i bet u would
[2017-06-24 14:39] ID=10883 RE_ID=10872 Rassah: It used to have fees, and we just reenabled them
[2017-06-24 17:43] ID=10884 RE_ID=10877 Giszmo: https://github.com/mycelium-com/wallet/blob/4c025ec1c88b72cce19e1ecb94cc8655429454b5/mbw/src/main/res/values/strings.xml#L924 is some of them. With Simplex and coinapult it it works a bit different, with much more integration.
[2017-06-24 17:44] ID=10885 RE_ID=10884 Rassah: None
[2017-06-24 17:45] ID=10886 Giszmo: is it worth pinning? I guess if anything, you could pin a message that directly mentions our partners for the curious to follow. A link to code that holds the url but not as a link is probably not what @DoubleYouSee23 had in mind.
[2017-06-24 17:48] ID=10887 Giszmo: Our partner links are\n\n https://purse.io/?_a=MYCELIUM \n\nhttps://www.ledgerwallet.com/r/494d?path=/products \n\nhttps://shop.trezor.io/?a=mycelium.com and \n\nhttps://hashing24.com/?rid=53616c7465645f5f8449172e49358025e130637667cb9a3c
[2017-06-24 17:49] ID=10888 RE_ID=10887 Rassah: None
[2017-06-24 17:49] ID=10889 Rassah: Thank you Leo
[2017-06-24 17:50] ID=10890 ImadL: Are we supposed to get discounts
[2017-06-24 17:50] ID=10891 ImadL: while using your links or what?
[2017-06-24 17:50] ID=10892 ImadL: 😨
[2017-06-24 18:00] ID=10893 Rassah: No. We just get paid if you use them
[2017-06-24 18:00] ID=10894 Rassah: No extra money from you
[2017-06-24 18:00] ID=10895 Rassah: *cough* "we"...
[2017-06-24 18:04] ID=10896 ImadL: Oh basically affiliates
[2017-06-24 18:05] ID=10897 ImadL: to support you
[2017-06-24 18:05] ID=10898 ImadL: I see
[2017-06-24 18:20] ID=10900 Rassah: Part of how the wallet was supposed to earn money. Affiliates and third party service support
[2017-06-24 18:20] ID=10901 Frankffm17: My mt  token are also open for take over... any offers welcome
[2017-06-24 18:31] ID=10902 Alchemic: How much?
[2017-06-24 18:36] ID=10903 ImadL: Is it possible to transfer all my funds to one address?
[2017-06-24 18:36] ID=10904 ImadL: (from Mycelium addresses to one 'Mycelium' address I specify)
[2017-06-24 18:37] ID=10905 RE_ID=10903 Rassah: Yes
[2017-06-24 18:37] ID=10906 Rassah: From one account to an address
[2017-06-24 18:38] ID=10907 ImadL: How exactly? I select the account then?
[2017-06-24 18:38] ID=10908 ImadL: I see "Sign message" "Archive" "REload account" "Show unspent outputs" and "Export" options only
[2017-06-24 18:39] ID=10909 Rassah: Hit the Send button
[2017-06-24 18:39] ID=10910 Rassah: Then enter the address, or first copy it to clipboard and then paste
[2017-06-24 18:41] ID=10911 ImadL: Send => "My addresses" ? 😨
[2017-06-24 18:41] ID=10912 ImadL: or Manual entry?
[2017-06-24 18:44] ID=10913 ImadL: 😨
[2017-06-24 18:47] ID=10914 Rassah: Are you just sending to one of your Mycelium accounts?
[2017-06-24 18:48] ID=10915 Rassah: There's lots of options there. What are you trying to accomplish?
[2017-06-24 18:49] ID=10916 ImadL: I have one account
[2017-06-24 18:49] ID=10917 ImadL: the account contains multiple addresses
[2017-06-24 18:49] ID=10918 ImadL: I want to send from all addresses I have to only one address (same account)
[2017-06-24 18:49] ID=10919 ImadL: I just tried to send 0.3 BTC to one of my addresses, It's showing "0.0013 BTC" on Mycelium
[2017-06-24 18:49] ID=10920 ImadL: and 0.02 BTC on the blockchain, wth? 😨
[2017-06-24 18:51] ID=10921 Rassah: Why do you want to send them all to one address?\nBut yes, just send, my addresses, pick your own account, and select max for amount.
[2017-06-24 18:52] ID=10922 ImadL: An address could send to Itself without issues?
[2017-06-24 18:52] ID=10923 ImadL: I want to send to one address because of byteball, don't want to link hundreds of addresses
[2017-06-24 18:53] ID=10924 Rassah: Of course. Why not
[2017-06-24 18:54] ID=10925 Rassah: Oh, if you send all to one address, you will link all addresses that currently have a balance to one single address
[2017-06-24 18:54] ID=10926 Rassah: But only the addresses that have balances in them (seen in Show Unspent Inputs)
[2017-06-24 18:55] ID=10927 ImadL: Yes, I only want to link one address
[2017-06-24 18:55] ID=10928 ImadL: that's why I'm sending everything
[2017-06-24 18:55] ID=10929 ImadL: but yeah Show unspent inputs could help too
[2017-06-24 18:55] ID=10930 ImadL: good point, thanks !
[2017-06-24 18:55] ID=10931 Rassah: If you send from that address, they can just look at where the money to that address came from and assume all those addresses are yours
[2017-06-24 18:56] ID=10932 ImadL: It's a bot that does everything
[2017-06-24 18:56] ID=10933 ImadL: so are you speaking from experience or that's actaully how the BOT is programmed?
[2017-06-24 18:56] ID=10934 Rassah: I don't know anything about the bot or byteball
[2017-06-24 18:56] ID=10935 Rassah: Just from a privacy perspective
[2017-06-24 18:58] ID=10936 ImadL: You need to sign a message in order to proof the ownership of an address and link it
[2017-06-24 18:59] ID=10937 ImadL: I dont want to keep signing from multiple addresses, that's why :)
[2017-06-24 18:59] ID=10938 ImadL: I appreciate the help! thank you
[2017-06-24 19:40] ID=10939 Rassah: Oh, okay. That makes sense
[2017-06-25 15:19] ID=10943 CryptoClout: None
[2017-06-25 15:21] ID=10944 CryptoClout: If any1 interested im offering 10 MT Tokens /1 BTC or 0.10 BTC / 1 MT token .
[2017-06-25 18:55] ID=10945 Neo Cortex: None
[2017-06-25 18:56] ID=10946 Neo Cortex: How much are you willing to buy
[2017-06-25 22:02] ID=10947 Frankffm17: Anthony still Interested? I have 10 token available
[2017-06-25 22:02] ID=10948 Frankffm17: To sold
[2017-06-25 22:05] ID=10949 Alchemic: How much
[2017-06-26 00:00] ID=10950 ZaCkRrr: 1 satoshi for each token
[2017-06-26 03:22] ID=10951 JuanSGalt: Hello
[2017-06-26 03:23] ID=10952 JuanSGalt: Doing research on best options for Bitcoin users during this fork risk month. What is Mycelium's  policy on a btc split? tnx
[2017-06-26 03:38] ID=10953 Giszmo: According to https://coin.dance/blocks it looks like we will get away without much drama for the regular, less involved users for now. Next drama will be 3 months later for the HF. We want to release an SPV module that you then could configure to connect to only a certain full node, no matter which rules that node runs. We will need some sort of split tool (RBF-based, which is also why I'm currently working on RBF). We have no solution ready yet, so if the split happens now, we have to suggest users to stop sending coins unless they know what they are doing. In general, in doubt you should not send bitcoins. Hold still and figure it out first.
[2017-06-26 06:12] ID=10954 ImadL: If SegWit happens in the next a few days
[2017-06-26 06:12] ID=10955 ImadL: UASF will no longer be necessary?
[2017-06-26 06:12] ID=10956 ImadL: but the 2MB blocks could cause more drama in the future?
[2017-06-26 06:14] ID=10957 DoubleYouSee23: correct on both counts
[2017-06-26 06:16] ID=10958 ImadL: I see, thanks
[2017-06-26 06:32] ID=10959 ZaCkRrr: Why price crash so much?  Am i missing any drama here?
[2017-06-26 06:33] ID=10960 ImadL: Bitcoin? compared to alts? Its not crashing at all.
[2017-06-26 06:33] ID=10961 DoubleYouSee23: Just a normal correction I think. We're on our way back up.
[2017-06-26 06:33] ID=10962 ZaCkRrr: Last crash was bitmancoin that hit 2.1k usd ...but i dont hear any fud this week
[2017-06-26 11:14] ID=10982 Ernesto Rodriguez: None
[2017-06-26 14:17] ID=10989 Rassah: Good thing I get notifications every time someone posts. Sorry I was asleep when the last few spams happened
[2017-06-26 22:05] ID=10990 ???: None
[2017-06-26 22:08] ID=10991 RE_ID=10959 AROMACOMPUTERS: Just ether exiting\nEth > fiat\nEth > btc\nBtc > fiat
[2017-06-26 22:21] ID=10993 ???: None
[2017-06-26 22:48] ID=10994 RE_ID=10919 Alchemic: Probably the change
[2017-06-27 00:51] ID=10995 ???: lol )\nhttp://prntscr.com/fojv1b
[2017-06-27 03:00] ID=10996 ???: None
[2017-06-27 03:00] ID=10997 BB_Martino: inb4 pump spam
[2017-06-27 03:01] ID=10998 Rassah: Kek
[2017-06-27 03:01] ID=10999 DoubleYouSee23: Get ready for the scam!
[2017-06-27 03:01] ID=11000 RE_ID=10997 DoubleYouSee23: Beat me to it
[2017-06-27 03:01] ID=11001 Rassah: Ah, he ran
[2017-06-27 03:47] ID=11002 RE_ID=10997 AROMACOMPUTERS: 😂\nDidnt even pump
[2017-06-27 03:55] ID=11003 DoubleYouSee23: I... I feel a little sad now. Are we ugly?
[2017-06-27 08:04] ID=11004 ???: None
[2017-06-27 10:16] ID=11005 CryptoClout: If any1 interested im offering 10 MT Tokens /1 BTC or 0.10 BTC / 1 MT token .
[2017-06-27 11:52] ID=11006 RE_ID=11005 ZaCkRrr: Told you im interest to buy 1 satoshi each
[2017-06-27 13:38] ID=11007 whalehunting: How comes that no exchange has listed them until now
[2017-06-27 13:38] ID=11008 whalehunting: I mean the list putincoin and html5coin haha
[2017-06-27 13:40] ID=11009 CryptoClout: i doubt it will ever happen ...perhaps the reason is impossibility of determining its value
[2017-06-27 13:43] ID=11010 CryptoClout: its a result of failed ״surgery״ that mycelim team performed
[2017-06-27 13:46] ID=11011 CryptoClout: when they cut off mycelium wallet from the company & separated it ...feeding greedy lawyer all z crowdsale $$$ ...
[2017-06-27 14:15] ID=11012 Rassah: Putincoin is just a coin like play money. MT is stake in company. Different regulatory rules
[2017-06-28 03:40] ID=11022 Kebabmannen: First thing were vacation.. and not so much about devlopment, hope u guys had alot fun atleast! So when it gain money in 10years u buy back for same Price? Nice! Give us back atleast 10% or something?
[2017-06-28 03:41] ID=11023 Rassah: Why do you want us to buy back? If in 10 years company value goes up, take the cash from the appreciation right instead
[2017-06-28 03:42] ID=11024 Rassah: The vacation was not much vacation, and a lot of talking and planning.
[2017-06-28 03:42] ID=11025 Kebabmannen: In the rules u can do it, so lets hope u guys gain that atleast
[2017-06-28 03:43] ID=11026 Kebabmannen: My last business trip were alot of coke in spain too hehe :)) expensive talk
[2017-06-28 04:12] ID=11027 Rassah: We were in Catalonia. They'd probably punch you if you called them Spain
[2017-06-28 05:04] ID=11028 ysgjay: @Rassah when will token holders see financial reports?
[2017-06-28 14:35] ID=11032 RE_ID=11028 Rassah: I don't know. If I quit, that would be one of the reasons why. I was told we would have them and relayed that to others, but they never happened
[2017-06-28 21:29] ID=11038 bigdaddyX: I told you guys about what mycelium did with the Mass project. They have form for fraud. Maybe not every employee but certainly those at the top.
[2017-06-28 22:15] ID=11040 ???: None
[2017-06-29 04:50] ID=11042 ysgjay: Who has the info? Maybe they can share
[2017-06-29 11:05] ID=11047 ktorn: If I create multiple HD wallets in the same phone they are all restorable with the same backup?
[2017-06-29 11:09] ID=11048 DoubleYouSee23: Yup
[2017-06-29 12:56] ID=11049 jandreske: Well, to be precise, if you create multiple HD accounts in the same wallet, they can be restored with the same seed. \nSo if you have your mycelium backup and use the "add HD account" function, that works. \n\nIf you actually create multiple wallets (by deleting your app data and starting fresh) they will have different seeds.
[2017-06-29 15:42] ID=11051 ktorn: thanks. I'm curious to learn more about how it works. I understand how a seed can be used to determinalistically re-create a series of private-public key pairs, but how can it also know that I created several wallets, and what I named them?
[2017-06-29 15:49] ID=11052 Rassah: It won't
[2017-06-29 15:49] ID=11053 Rassah: It'll just create a new wallet with a generic name, and you'll have to manually readd new accounts
[2017-06-29 15:50] ID=11054 Rassah: Ideally it would scan the next accounts to see if they have transactions and add them automatically, but we never implemented that feature.
[2017-06-29 15:53] ID=11055 jandreske: So in a vacuum, the seed / software cannot know how many accounts or addresses in an account have been generated. \nBut with access to the blockchain it can check which addresses / accounts have been used, and continue generating more until (a certain number of) unused ones are found.
[2017-06-29 15:54] ID=11056 Rassah: Yeah
[2017-06-30 05:02] ID=11057 ktorn: I see
[2017-06-30 08:43] ID=11061 The_Tokenator: 
[2017-06-30 18:38] ID=11068 RE_ID=11054 Giszmo: This feature was not implemented as it is in conflict with BIP44. But not adding it caused a lot of confusing with people who didn't find their money after restoring.\n\nFor Mycelium, the coinapult accounts would need probing, too.
[2017-06-30 19:27] ID=11072 Rassah: I'm surprised the spammers are even trying, and how they're getting all these accounts...
[2017-07-01 00:35] ID=11075 Anomaly: I'm really starting to feel pumped up lately 😅
[2017-07-01 00:46] ID=11076 BB_Martino: I wish all groups I'm in had a bot that auto-banned any users who post a message including 't.me' and 'pump'
[2017-07-01 00:49] ID=11077 DoubleYouSee23: There is one, I just messaged rassah about it. We'll see
[2017-07-01 02:18] ID=11080 AROMACOMPUTERS: https://www.reddit.com/r/btc/comments/6kidxp/looks_like_segwit2x_beta_dropped_first_impressions/
[2017-07-01 02:25] ID=11081 AROMACOMPUTERS: 
[2017-07-01 13:38] ID=11082 kiselev2000: None
[2017-07-01 14:20] ID=11083 TheSatMan: In short: What will happen with BTC 1 aug? What are the percentage so far - for each solution? 🤓
[2017-07-01 20:52] ID=11088 Rassah: My guess is that nothing will happen on August 1.
[2017-07-01 20:53] ID=11089 RE_ID=11088 AROMACOMPUTERS: If nothing happens prior, something has to happen then.
[2017-07-01 20:54] ID=11090 AROMACOMPUTERS: I guess we'll have to see if we can all just get along
[2017-07-01 21:58] ID=11091 TheSatMan: So - none of you have a clue 😅 just like me 🙈
[2017-07-01 21:59] ID=11092 DoubleYouSee23: literally no one know the outcome as of right now
[2017-07-01 21:59] ID=11093 DoubleYouSee23: (well maybe the large mining pools...)
[2017-07-01 22:00] ID=11094 Rassah: If anyone knew, the price of bitcoin would reflect that
[2017-07-01 22:40] ID=11095 TheSatMan: But IF BTC split - it would be a totally failure for btc and the entire CC space ...don't you agree?
[2017-07-01 22:41] ID=11096 DoubleYouSee23: Not necessarily. The chances of both chains surviving are pretty slim IMO. It may show the public how antifragile bitcoin really is
[2017-07-01 22:52] ID=11097 RE_ID=11095 Rassah: I don't think so. Why would it be a failure?
[2017-07-02 00:53] ID=11101 TheSatMan: Hmm... just the fact that the community can't get to concensus ... i know - Its also a "force" generally speaking - that no one can get what they want (again - to be part of a decentralized network)... i just feel btc will stand stronger - also vs the fiat world - if we all actually can agree on some thing 😇✅
[2017-07-02 00:54] ID=11102 Rassah: Competition is good too.
[2017-07-02 01:01] ID=11103 TheSatMan: In general - of course ... but regarding to regulation/acceptance and to get btc broadly adopted world wide - i think btc would still stand stronger at this moment in time...just my 2 cent ...\nBut we will see in 1 month 🤓
[2017-07-02 12:14] ID=11104 nunnus: None
[2017-07-02 13:16] ID=11105 wksantiago: @Rassah great work keep it going
[2017-07-02 13:17] ID=11106 wksantiago: @Rassah any news on the SPV progress for the wallet?
[2017-07-02 14:07] ID=11107 RE_ID=11106 Rassah: @Giszmo ?
[2017-07-02 14:08] ID=11108 wksantiago: 👌
[2017-07-02 14:26] ID=11109 Giszmo: @wksantiago spv module is making slow progress. it's essentially down to fixing bugs but there are other urgent things to do and we don't have enough people.
[2017-07-02 14:29] ID=11110 wksantiago: Understood @Giszmo thanks for informing the community. Patience is key.  Keep up the great work.
[2017-07-02 23:20] ID=11111 ???: None
[2017-07-03 00:41] ID=11112 bigs21024: How is the token going?
[2017-07-03 04:14] ID=11113 Rassah: The development is going. The token is just sitting.
[2017-07-03 10:55] ID=11117 ???: None
[2017-07-03 11:39] ID=11118 eziocm: None
[2017-07-03 13:45] ID=11119 bigs21024: Sound great!
[2017-07-03 13:45] ID=11120 bigs21024: Also I thought the wallet was going to be made to hold our tokens what ever happened to that
[2017-07-03 13:50] ID=11122 bigs21024: Right
[2017-07-03 13:53] ID=11123 wksantiago: SPV module progress and "fixing bugs but there are other urgent things"
[2017-07-03 18:16] ID=11124 ???: None
[2017-07-03 22:47] ID=11127 medo will: None
[2017-07-04 08:16] ID=11129 ShortFatUglyDumb: Medo, FYI: this channel is for Mycelium Wallet discussion only.
[2017-07-04 12:51] ID=11130 Tion1943: He spamed that in a lot of the channels I'm in
[2017-07-04 14:28] ID=11131 Frankffm17: Hm
[2017-07-04 14:54] ID=11132 xBand1to: None
[2017-07-04 15:04] ID=11133 Rassah: Yeah, Medo's link didn't even mention Mycelium. Deleted 😋
[2017-07-04 15:30] ID=11134 wksantiago: @Rassah Thanks Keeping it real
[2017-07-04 16:49] ID=11139 RE_ID=11137 DoubleYouSee23: @Rassah this gentlemen may be a bot. He's posted this repeatedly, even after being asked not to, and having his message deleted from rooms.
[2017-07-04 16:50] ID=11140 RE_ID=11139 GuerraMoneta: +1 👍
[2017-07-04 16:54] ID=11141 Anomaly: I noticed the pattern of spammers joining then almost always immediately posting.
[2017-07-04 18:15] ID=11142 RE_ID=11139 wksantiago: Indeed +1👍
[2017-07-04 20:57] ID=11143 Rassah: Using Western Union for bitcoin sales is just a stupid idea in general
[2017-07-04 21:04] ID=11144 Alchemic: Hey Rassah, how are you doing?
[2017-07-04 21:04] ID=11145 Rassah: Um, okay I guess
[2017-07-04 21:05] ID=11146 Alchemic: How come? Something not right?
[2017-07-04 21:05] ID=11147 Alchemic: Thank you for the Mycelium wallet. I really like it.
[2017-07-04 21:06] ID=11148 Alchemic: Really like the Trezor integration as well. Very handy.
[2017-07-04 21:12] ID=11149 Alchemic: The only thing I wish was different was the option to set a custom miner fee. I understand the reason for not doing it, kind of, but there could be an advanced settings option that would allow you to override that.
[2017-07-04 21:39] ID=11150 Rassah: Yeah, I'm asking about that issue now. Our fees are too high
[2017-07-04 21:45] ID=11151 RE_ID=11150 Anomaly: Can 21.co fee estimates be used instead of core?
[2017-07-04 22:04] ID=11152 RE_ID=11150 Alchemic: Nice thank you.  Also another cool option would be the ability to set a change address when sending from a cold/paper wallet with the option of using the HD account as the change address
[2017-07-04 22:15] ID=11153 jandreske: When you use an HD paper wallet, the change is sent to the next unused change address. \nI guess for single key paper wallets, sending the entire amount to your HD account and then sending the payment from there (where change is sent to a fresh address on the account) is a good enough option achieving almost exactly what you asked for?
[2017-07-04 22:18] ID=11154 RE_ID=11153 Alchemic: 2 TX, with 2 TX fees. 3 if I want to send the change back to a paper wallet, so not really an efficient option at all
[2017-07-04 22:21] ID=11155 jandreske: I dont know about you, but I dont go through using paper for amounts where the fee actually matters. \nIt is more like a long term storage I rarely spend from. So maybe my base assumption was wrong, I assumed for amounts you want to transact with more often, you would use a trezor. Or the phone directly.
[2017-07-04 22:22] ID=11156 Rassah: Or a $15 basic Ledger
[2017-07-04 22:23] ID=11157 RE_ID=11155 Alchemic: I don't know why a fee doesn't matter if the amount you are sending is more. The fee costs you the same regardless of its relation to the size of the TX
[2017-07-04 22:24] ID=11158 Alchemic: If it costs you $3 it costs you $3 even if you are sending a million.
[2017-07-04 22:26] ID=11159 Alchemic: I do as you suggest, it if I do need to spend some from cold storage, which happens rarely, I do not usually want to spend it all. So in this regard it is very common that when spending from cold storage, it would be nice to be able to choose a new cold storage for the change
[2017-07-04 22:26] ID=11160 jandreske: Sure. \nBut if every once in a while I pull a couple thousand usd in bitcoin from my paper wallet to refill trezor or phone, I don't really care whether I pay 2 usd in fees or 5 usd. \nWould I use paper wallets for every pizza I order, the difference of 2 vs 5 USD fees would matter more for me.
[2017-07-04 22:28] ID=11161 jandreske: For that need you expressed I would look into using an HD wallet as cold storage. If am happy with HD paper wallets.
[2017-07-04 22:28] ID=11162 RE_ID=11160 Alchemic: Maybe 3$ doesn't matter to you, but it's money that can be saved through this optimization. Maybe it doesn't happen much for you and maybe more for some people. But in the end it would save everyone all together a substantial amount of time and BTC
[2017-07-04 22:30] ID=11163 jandreske: Or, if you prefer single keys, and find yourself in a situation where you want to pull out a fraction very often - maybe consider splitting the amount onto multiple keys right away, and then just pick a key and consume it entirely next time you want to take money out of cold storage?
[2017-07-04 22:34] ID=11164 jandreske: And of course if efficiency and optimizing the money flow and fee are a big concern for you, maybe using a full feature desktop wallet with coin control and manual fees could be the thing? \n\nI am not saying that your use case isn't valid, but maybe it is a bit out of scope for a smartphone wallet?
[2017-07-04 22:34] ID=11165 jandreske: But that is just my personal impression, that has nothing to do with whether someone will or will not add the features you asked for 😉
[2017-07-04 22:37] ID=11166 Rassah: In labor and business time, such a feature would probably cost about $150, for coding, testing, debugging, and publishing.
[2017-07-04 22:42] ID=11167 RE_ID=11164 Alchemic: It doesn't seem like it's beyond the scope of a mobile wallet to choose what address your change goes to.  Doesn't seem it would be out of scope for a wallet on almost any platform.  Smartphones are capable of a wide range and depth of things these days, writing off smartphone apps as being things which should be "lite versions" that have only minimum features seems to be old fashioned thinking to me.  Many people in the world use their smart phone as their computer.
[2017-07-04 22:43] ID=11168 Alchemic: But this is my own unprofessional  opinion
[2017-07-04 22:44] ID=11169 RE_ID=11166 Alchemic: Ok, thank you.  I have no idea what these type of implementations would cost
[2017-07-04 22:50] ID=11170 Alchemic: If I find 15 people that would pay $10 then we could get it done
[2017-07-05 00:44] ID=11171 RE_ID=11150 ShortFatUglyDumb: Thx. Wud luv this feature 2.
[2017-07-05 02:40] ID=11172 TheSatMan: What are your bright guys view at: Turing complete vs. Not Turing complete languages?
[2017-07-05 04:06] ID=11173 RE_ID=11172 jandreske: This is maybe not the channel top discuss that topic?
[2017-07-05 04:09] ID=11174 TheSatMan: I understand - but i like to ask the question to @Rassah and others who have been in this industri for a long period. So i hope Its okay to ask - and if they have an opinion - about this ..😊
[2017-07-05 05:30] ID=11175 RubenSomsen: @Rassah Any chance we will see SPV full node support soon? If a fork occurs, it will be important for users to be able to choose their network. Without SPV support users will have to change wallet (not very user friendly) if they disagree with what Mycelium decides.
[2017-07-05 07:45] ID=11176 RE_ID=11081 AROMACOMPUTERS: Seems quite clear what will happen
[2017-07-05 14:10] ID=11177 ivglavas: @Rassah hey long time no hear developer who is forcing to play a role of manager! Can you tell me now is our money invested in MT tokens finnaly flushed down the toilet or we will see something going on with investments beside CEO of the company traveling around the world, jumping from plane, posting it on FB and spedning investment that way?
[2017-07-05 15:40] ID=11178 RE_ID=11177 Rassah: I'm not a developer. Just a manager. But my contract with Mycelium ended April 1st. Investments have already been spent, so CEO is jumping on planes to go around the world using his own money. Development of the wallet is still continuing with a lot of updates over the year, so you should've seen things with your investment already. I don't think it will be flushed down the toilet, but it's definitely too slow of a progress.
[2017-07-06 01:13] ID=11181 SJ C: anyone have experience using glidera?
[2017-07-06 01:13] ID=11182 SJ C: anyone know if there are deposit or withdrawal limits, support seems to be dodging my question, not sure if thats a good ro bad thing
[2017-07-06 01:14] ID=11183 Rassah: I think $1k?
[2017-07-06 01:15] ID=11184 SJ C: hmm
[2017-07-06 01:15] ID=11185 SJ C: hows the user experience?
[2017-07-06 01:26] ID=11186 ShortFatUglyDumb: I haven't used Glidera, but I did swap a few emails with their support, to get some info. Yes, they're evasive about revealing specific deposit/withdrawal limits, saying it depends on personal factors (your geo location, KYC, etc.). Ok, I'll give 'em the benefit of the doubt on that, but still annoying.\nI did finally get a semblance of an answer once. My Q: "Is there a USD limit per day/week/month when purchasing Bitcoins ?" ; Their A: "We do have limits, though it varies on individual accounts. Our highest limit per month is $5,000/day, $15,000/month though it can take some time to get to those limits."\nNote they were bought by Kraken earlier this year, so there is some amount of UI merger planned, IIRC.
[2017-07-06 01:27] ID=11187 SJ C: ah ok thanks that's helpful
[2017-07-06 01:28] ID=11188 SJ C: might as well just use a kraken account
[2017-07-06 01:28] ID=11189 SJ C: although the wallet linking in glidera might be a bit more convenient
[2017-07-06 13:17] ID=11190 ATBCoin_international: None
[2017-07-06 22:15] ID=11191 Transisto: Could mycelium invest what's left of our money into something like this https://pillarproject.io/
[2017-07-06 22:22] ID=11192 Rassah: No
[2017-07-06 22:22] ID=11193 Rassah: Can't change investment purposes like that
[2017-07-07 05:23] ID=11196 Kebabmannen: Why mt token is not at any exchange except openledger? Why??? Bittrex add every Day a shit token! ??
[2017-07-07 05:24] ID=11197 Rassah: Because mt token isn't a shit token
[2017-07-07 05:25] ID=11198 Rassah: Actually it's because exchanges are worried that this token is not just a shit token but something that may have to be treated like stock, and also because the token is on a platform that no one supports.
[2017-07-07 05:36] ID=11199 DoubleYouSee23: Is there anywhere I can read up on why colu was used over counterparty? That had surprised me from the very beginning.
[2017-07-07 06:05] ID=11200 Rassah: Not really
[2017-07-07 06:06] ID=11201 Rassah: I think it was because we wanted to implement colored coin stuff in some of our other projects. We wanted to be able to trade tokens on top of the bitcoin blockchain. Colu seemed promising, but turned out to not go anywhere
[2017-07-07 08:58] ID=11202 ImadL: Hi @Rassah
[2017-07-07 08:59] ID=11203 ImadL: Should we expect seeing the SPV update anytime soon?
[2017-07-07 10:11] ID=11204 wksantiago: @Rassah if segwit goes well will Colu be able to finalize it's plan with hopefully lower fees and mergemining ?
[2017-07-07 15:37] ID=11207 ???: Ya know.... it seems like you could do a 1 for 1 swap (MT for wMT) on WAVES and then be able to trade the tokens on DEX.
[2017-07-07 16:11] ID=11208 ???: None
[2017-07-07 19:06] ID=11209 ???: None
[2017-07-08 11:42] ID=11210 ???: None
[2017-07-08 19:02] ID=11211 ???: None
[2017-07-08 19:04] ID=11212 RE_ID=11207 DoubleYouSee23: If they were going to change platforms, I'd hope they use counterparty. Long history, runs on bitcoin, and wallets have a built in sell option
[2017-07-09 04:37] ID=11213 RE_ID=11141 Giszmo: Just got a support mail with a link to this website. How popular is it? Is it worth telling them how wrong they are about Mycelium? Clicking around a bit more, they seam to be quite ambitious with many sections and a hint towards user acquisition and monetization. https://www.cryptocompare.com/wallets/mycelium-wallet-bitcoin/
[2017-07-09 05:50] ID=11214 rliriano: None
[2017-07-09 07:16] ID=11215 ???: None
[2017-07-09 14:53] ID=11220 ???: None
[2017-07-09 15:23] ID=11221 ???: None
[2017-07-10 00:02] ID=11222 KJ: Guys no point in asking rassah. He doesn't know. Your money is 99% most likely not coming back and is gone. The money has been spent long time ago. There was nothing to show for it. In fact, I'm even amazed he's still answering all these questions when everyone else is gone. He's not even being paid anymore as a dev so do that expect that to continue either
[2017-07-10 00:02] ID=11223 KJ: Don't expect*
[2017-07-10 00:02] ID=11224 KJ: We all got caught making a bad investment. It didn't work out
[2017-07-10 00:04] ID=11225 KJ: The story is painted right in front of you. If you still want to believe great, but it's naive to think anything will come our way at this point. The tokens because of their uniqueness means they will not be listed on an exchange, which in turns means you won't get any value for them (or extract whatever is left)
[2017-07-10 00:06] ID=11226 KJ: Sorry for the dose of reality but anyone that is unaware should know the truth
[2017-07-10 00:06] ID=11227 KJ: Please correct me if I'm wrong
[2017-07-10 00:12] ID=11228 RE_ID=11222 Rassah: What money were you expecting back? The money you invested?
[2017-07-10 00:13] ID=11229 Rassah: I wasn't a dev. Our devs are still being paid. I was a product manager, leading the devs. That job is now taken over by Jerome.
[2017-07-10 00:14] ID=11230 KJ: A return on our Investment course. Profits from mycelium? I understand it has recently starting becoming profitable, but how about how reports of earnings to your investors that kindly raised 1 million dollars? For all new projects of mycelium to not be added in a difference branch so the investors could get that too?
[2017-07-10 00:14] ID=11231 Rassah: Regarding anything to show for it, the current app is still being developed and has more ways to earn money, with more coming out.
[2017-07-10 00:15] ID=11232 KJ: Yes I'm sure, but credibility is lost as I'm sure you're aware. We will believe it when we see it
[2017-07-10 00:15] ID=11233 KJ: The only way we will be paid is when mycelium gets funding from a second crowd sale, which lets be honest ain't happening
[2017-07-10 00:16] ID=11234 KJ: So that leaves us with the way things are. Will be get get roi without an additional round of funding ?
[2017-07-10 00:16] ID=11235 Rassah: @jeromerousselot or @Giszmo, can you let the group know about how much the wallet is earning a month now?
[2017-07-10 00:16] ID=11236 RE_ID=11232 Rassah: Credibility is shot, yes
[2017-07-10 00:17] ID=11237 RE_ID=11234 Rassah: If wallet becomes profitable, yeah. But there's a long way to go
[2017-07-10 00:18] ID=11238 KJ: Specifics would be good
[2017-07-10 00:18] ID=11239 KJ: Especially if roles are being handed off and not elimated then something has to be going on
[2017-07-10 00:19] ID=11240 KJ: Mycelium can't seriously expect to just operate as if everything's fine and dandy and just ignore how they effectively scammed hundreds of investors
[2017-07-10 05:50] ID=11241 mrcheek: Swarm.fund are currently going through a token exchange process with their 1.0 tokens prior to their new ICO. Their devs have coded a mechanism for burning old tokens and recording this prior to issuing the new Swarm 2.0 ERC20 standard tokens. Their original token were based on Counterparty. Is there a way to make this process happen on Colu, issue new ERC20 tokens and enable trading in MT?
[2017-07-10 05:50] ID=11242 mrcheek: You can follow the progress in their Telegram and they also listed the github for the token burning code  http://bit.ly/swarm-telegram
[2017-07-10 07:06] ID=11243 bengems: Hey guys
[2017-07-10 07:07] ID=11244 bengems: Just a quick question
[2017-07-10 07:08] ID=11245 bengems: How do I get private keys from my mycelium
[2017-07-10 07:17] ID=11246 ImadL: Did you Quit @Rassah
[2017-07-10 07:38] ID=11247 RE_ID=11245 Rassah: Accounts > highlight account > Export from menu
[2017-07-10 07:38] ID=11248 RE_ID=11246 Rassah: No, not yet. I mean, my contract expired, but I'm still sticking around for now.
[2017-07-10 08:03] ID=11249 RE_ID=11247 bengems: Thanks
[2017-07-10 10:54] ID=11250 ImadL: 😨
[2017-07-10 10:55] ID=11251 ImadL: You are working and you are not being paid? very nice from you
[2017-07-11 00:14] ID=11254 df: I'm getting a no server connection error for the last two hours.
[2017-07-11 02:24] ID=11255 Giszmo: @df do you still get that? Android or iPhone? One of our 4 servers died and it will take some time to get it back up and running but that should not affect the availability.
[2017-07-11 04:51] ID=11256 RE_ID=11255 df: Its back up now.
[2017-07-11 04:51] ID=11257 RE_ID=11255 df: It was Android.
[2017-07-11 04:53] ID=11258 Giszmo: 
[2017-07-11 05:00] ID=11259 david: None
[2017-07-11 05:01] ID=11260 david: Getting servers down
[2017-07-11 05:02] ID=11261 david: Android
[2017-07-11 05:02] ID=11262 david: Any idea when this will get fixed?
[2017-07-11 05:04] ID=11263 Rassah: It's in the process of getting fixed
[2017-07-11 18:28] ID=11264 david: Server back down
[2017-07-11 18:40] ID=11265 ImadL: It didn't even go UP for me
[2017-07-11 18:40] ID=11266 ImadL: where could I recover my electrum wallet?
[2017-07-11 18:40] ID=11267 ImadL: my Mycelium wallet I mean
[2017-07-11 18:40] ID=11268 ImadL: in Electrum? 😨
[2017-07-11 19:01] ID=11269 Rassah: Electrum doesn't use a standard backup mechanism, so you would need to use something else to recover mycelium seeds.
[2017-07-11 19:02] ID=11270 Rassah: MultibitHD is one I know of
[2017-07-11 19:07] ID=11271 HostFat: https://iancoleman.github.io/bip39/
[2017-07-12 04:55] ID=11272 ImadL: thanks
[2017-07-12 10:20] ID=11277 Lekandi: Mycelium didn't pay their bills for servers?
[2017-07-12 11:06] ID=11288 AlenaSatoshi: Happy birthday @Rassah
[2017-07-12 11:06] ID=11289 AlenaSatoshi: 🎂
[2017-07-12 14:37] ID=11290 RE_ID=11288 Rassah: Thanks!
[2017-07-12 14:37] ID=11291 RE_ID=11277 Rassah: Nah, one of the servers filled up. Moving to a bigger one
[2017-07-12 14:45] ID=11292 Lekandi: What book do you recommend for learning about the blockchain?
[2017-07-12 14:47] ID=11293 Rassah: I guess the Andreas Antonopoulos one
[2017-07-12 14:53] ID=11294 AlenaSatoshi: depends on your level of technical skills or expectations
[2017-07-12 14:53] ID=11295 AlenaSatoshi: but Andreas did the best on bitcoin and ethereum for devs
[2017-07-12 15:16] ID=11296 Lekandi: Ok thanks!
[2017-07-12 16:04] ID=11302 AROMACOMPUTERS: 
[2017-07-12 16:05] ID=11306 ImadL: The spam is real
[2017-07-12 16:40] ID=11311 Rassah: So, I guess posting multiple times is more convincing?
[2017-07-12 16:46] ID=11312 ImadL: You may want to put some modeartors
[2017-07-12 16:46] ID=11313 ImadL: on the channel, It's not the first time
[2017-07-12 16:46] ID=11314 ImadL: he always spam here when the staff is not around
[2017-07-12 16:49] ID=11315 Rassah: I'm modding it. I typically catch them pretty quickly
[2017-07-12 16:54] ID=11316 ???: None
[2017-07-12 16:56] ID=11317 ImadL: Alright
[2017-07-12 16:56] ID=11318 ImadL: So Rassah, should we expect the SPV wallet anytime soon? or any other updates? what's the priority currently
[2017-07-12 17:24] ID=11319 Rassah: SPV is priority. Don't know how soon
[2017-07-12 17:31] ID=11320 ImadL: I see, thanks
[2017-07-12 17:31] ID=11321 ImadL: I believe I found a bug on the last version btw, It's nothing serious though
[2017-07-12 17:32] ID=11322 ImadL: "Businesses" and "Adress book" tabs.\n\nI believe that the logo of a guy with a "+" on him should appear on Address book? that's not the case, It's appearing on Businesses tab and If clicked, nothing happens.
[2017-07-12 17:34] ID=11323 ???: None
[2017-07-12 17:36] ID=11324 ImadL: 
[2017-07-12 17:36] ID=11325 ImadL: 
[2017-07-12 17:41] ID=11326 RE_ID=11322 Rassah: Already fixed and waiting to be pushed
[2017-07-12 17:43] ID=11327 ImadL: Alright, my bad, didn't knew that
[2017-07-12 17:43] ID=11328 Rassah: We just found out and fixed it today or yesterday
[2017-07-12 17:44] ID=11329 ImadL: 👍 my wallet just updated for some reasons, so that's why
[2017-07-12 18:01] ID=11330 ???: None
[2017-07-12 18:05] ID=11331 DoubleYouSee23: 
[2017-07-12 18:05] ID=11332 DoubleYouSee23: Happy birthday Rassah
[2017-07-12 18:09] ID=11333 Rassah: Thanks :)
[2017-07-12 18:09] ID=11334 Rassah: I guess the secret is out
[2017-07-12 18:13] ID=11335 DoubleYouSee23: Lol, yea sorry. Hope you have fun today
[2017-07-12 18:13] ID=11336 ???: None
[2017-07-12 18:13] ID=11337 Rassah: I'm busy busy busy, as usual
[2017-07-12 18:15] ID=11339 Rassah: Yes
[2017-07-12 18:15] ID=11340 Rassah: Plenty of people buying and selling from what I've seen. Are you near Washington DC area?
[2017-07-12 18:16] ID=11343 Rassah: There are a few ATMs too
[2017-07-12 18:16] ID=11344 Rassah: Oh, that's a lot...
[2017-07-12 18:16] ID=11345 Rassah: Always trade in person...
[2017-07-12 18:17] ID=11348 Rassah: Not... really? In Florida yeah, maybe. PA I think is okay
[2017-07-12 18:27] ID=11350 ???: None
[2017-07-12 18:56] ID=11353 ???: None
[2017-07-12 19:03] ID=11354 ???: None
[2017-07-13 01:42] ID=11355 TheSatMan: What do you guys think will happen - 1 august?
[2017-07-13 01:49] ID=11356 Rassah: No idea
[2017-07-13 02:22] ID=11358 TheSatMan: @Rassah Its crazy not even people "like you" - know what (properbly) will happen...😅🙈\n\nBut thank you - for your honest answer...\n\nOf course! If its not your private keys - its not your bitcoins ☝🏼😎
[2017-07-13 02:25] ID=11359 DoubleYouSee23: Honestly no one knows. The outcome will be an interaction of many different groups of people.
[2017-07-13 02:26] ID=11360 TheSatMan: But will we know - 1 of aug? Or first later? What do you think?
[2017-07-13 02:31] ID=11361 DoubleYouSee23: Something will be happening on the first. I have no idea what though
[2017-07-13 02:37] ID=11362 Rassah: I think nothing will happen
[2017-07-13 02:38] ID=11363 DoubleYouSee23: I hope we just have a danged upgrade by then.
[2017-07-13 02:39] ID=11364 TheSatMan: @Rassah like nothing at all ... but then the status of BTC scaling has staled completely? 🙈
[2017-07-13 02:42] ID=11365 Rassah: I just have no faith in well planned anything in here anymore. I think if anything happens, it will be because someone forced it to
[2017-07-13 09:18] ID=11366 RE_ID=11341 ShortFatUglyDumb: Maybe start with a smaller amount, like $500. If the tx goes well, you can ask to do another $1K on the spot, or try the guy again the next day. Or use various traders in the area you find on Myc LT/MktPlc.
[2017-07-14 03:31] ID=11379 bits_of_change: Question: Does the Mycelium wallet on iOS allow for the import/sweep of private key strings (not just QR codes)?
[2017-07-14 06:50] ID=11380 ImadL: The website is not working @Rassah
[2017-07-14 08:58] ID=11381 RE_ID=11380 AROMACOMPUTERS: Yup\nMain site is down\nOddly the subdains of swish.mycelium.com and gear.mycelium.com\nAre functioning\nWhile wallet.mycelium.com times out\n😂😂\n@Rassah
[2017-07-14 09:01] ID=11382 RE_ID=11381 AROMACOMPUTERS: @jeromerousselot or @Giszmo, can you let the group know
[2017-07-14 11:15] ID=11383 Rassah: Yeah, moving nodes
[2017-07-14 14:05] ID=11384 Transisto: https://twitter.com/Excellion/status/885832314936205312
[2017-07-14 16:55] ID=11385 SJ C: @Rassah hi, what was the BTC price at the end of the crowdsale?
[2017-07-14 16:57] ID=11386 Rassah: I think $476 or $487. I forget.
[2017-07-14 16:57] ID=11387 SJ C: close enough, thanks
[2017-07-14 17:26] ID=11388 Hotapril: None
[2017-07-14 17:28] ID=11389 Hotapril: I can unable to access the wallet at https://wallet.mycelium.com/ can anybody help.
[2017-07-14 17:53] ID=11390 ImadL: https://gear.mycelium.com/payments_processing is actually something that works?
[2017-07-14 17:53] ID=11391 ImadL: I never heard of anyone speaking about it even though I'm most of the time on Reddit and Bitcointalk
[2017-07-14 17:54] ID=11392 RE_ID=11390 Rassah: Yeah, it's been around for over a year
[2017-07-14 17:54] ID=11393 Rassah: Swish uses it
[2017-07-14 17:55] ID=11394 ImadL: What is swish
[2017-07-14 17:55] ID=11395 ImadL: 😨
[2017-07-14 17:55] ID=11396 ImadL: never mind, just checked
[2017-07-14 17:55] ID=11397 ImadL: Is it something that a normal individual would use? or it's meant for entreprises?
[2017-07-14 17:56] ID=11398 ImadL: (Still talking about GEAR)
[2017-07-14 18:01] ID=11399 Rassah: Swish is for restaurants. Gear is for anyone
[2017-07-14 18:06] ID=11400 ImadL: 👍 thanks
[2017-07-14 18:17] ID=11401 RE_ID=11379 bits_of_change: @Rassah @Giszmo ? I'm trying to help a customer on iOS get his funds off of a non-functional wallet.
[2017-07-14 18:38] ID=11403 DoubleYouSee23: Ooh nice passive shilling
[2017-07-14 18:45] ID=11404 RE_ID=11401 Rassah: What's the problem?
[2017-07-14 18:57] ID=11405 bits_of_change: @Rassah The customer is using bitWallet on iOS which he can't get to work (send funds out). It lets him extract his private keys as WIF character strings. We need a way to import that into a new wallet, but all he has is his iPhone.\n\nMy question is if Mycelium iOS (which I can't test) will allow private key *string* import or sweep like the Android version does. If so, I will walk him through that process of switching to Mycelium.
[2017-07-14 19:14] ID=11406 Rassah: I don't remember, sorry. I don't use iOS
[2017-07-14 20:02] ID=11407 RE_ID=11397 AROMACOMPUTERS: Its the only uncensored option I could find to automate accepting btc on a website.
[2017-07-14 21:19] ID=11408 bits_of_change: ^ Not the only.
[2017-07-14 21:21] ID=11409 RE_ID=11408 AROMACOMPUTERS: Everything else I tried required permission of usage by its creator.  Like bkockchaininfo\nWas denied/ignored for months requesting api keys from everyone else I could find.
[2017-07-14 21:22] ID=11410 AROMACOMPUTERS: Gear, I can just download and run myself
[2017-07-14 21:25] ID=11411 bits_of_change: @AROMACOMPUTERS Blockonomics.co is also permissionless without prior API approval
[2017-07-14 21:25] ID=11412 AROMACOMPUTERS: Never found that before
[2017-07-14 21:26] ID=11413 AROMACOMPUTERS: Can I download it?
[2017-07-15 07:01] ID=11414 Frankffm17: Anyone\nInteressed in 2 mycelium token?
[2017-07-15 13:48] ID=11415 idelo: 
[2017-07-15 16:18] ID=11416 Michael: None
[2017-07-15 19:48] ID=11417 Neo Cortex: None
[2017-07-15 19:49] ID=11418 Neo Cortex: Anyone\nInteressed in 2 mycelium token?\n\nYes, I'll give you 1 dogecoin for 1 mt
[2017-07-16 02:46] ID=11419 crypt0tex: None
[2017-07-16 16:27] ID=11420 Transisto: anyone else who's address book ADD button has disapeared ?
[2017-07-16 16:44] ID=11421 Rassah: Yeah. It's still in the Businesses tab O.o
[2017-07-16 20:44] ID=11422 bigs21024: Mycelium tokens looking good huh
[2017-07-16 21:06] ID=11423 Transisto: Lol
[2017-07-16 21:18] ID=11424 RE_ID=11422 ZaCkRrr: In year 8080 it it will worth 10mil each
[2017-07-17 04:28] ID=11427 RE_ID=11424 ???: 😂😂
[2017-07-17 05:56] ID=11428 jandreske: 10mil what? Like, you expect USD to be around then?
[2017-07-18 04:33] ID=11429 AROMACOMPUTERS: https://medium.com/@jimmysong/examining-bitmains-press-release-6b47b0646f15
[2017-07-18 06:26] ID=11430 ImadL: I thought there is a hope to activate SegWit2X before UASF and avoid a chainsplit
[2017-07-18 06:26] ID=11431 ImadL: this pretty much guarantee a chain split?
[2017-07-18 06:26] ID=11432 ImadL: 😨
[2017-07-18 06:33] ID=11433 ImadL: https://i.redditmedia.com/C5pcCaiuWt4g9uCeljOoaJJ-rNUbV1ECxkuDliDY2oU.jpg?w=768&s=61a69aa1d2f46f518801f12f479fa5aa
[2017-07-18 06:39] ID=11434 RE_ID=11433 crypt0tex: Lol...Easy Johnny
[2017-07-18 06:39] ID=11435 ImadL: He lost it lol 😨
[2017-07-18 06:43] ID=11436 Rassah: Says he's willing to eat his own dick if he loses. Even if guaranteed, that's still too high of a wager
[2017-07-18 06:55] ID=11437 ZaCkRrr: It is not if he has few dicks
[2017-07-18 06:56] ID=11438 ImadL: He uses Mycelium as a wallet 😨
[2017-07-18 06:57] ID=11439 Rassah: Yes he does
[2017-07-18 06:57] ID=11440 Rassah: I think Andreas Antonopoulos does too
[2017-07-18 06:58] ID=11441 ImadL: nice
[2017-07-18 07:30] ID=11442 RE_ID=11440 ShortFatUglyDumb: Yes, AA has said at least a few times he uses Mycelium (Android, prolly).
[2017-07-18 08:29] ID=11443 thorbjorn: I wonder how many MT he owns.
[2017-07-18 09:52] ID=11444 jandreske: Haha, I would bei very surprised if he had even considered touching those.
[2017-07-18 12:45] ID=11445 Lekandi: Gear works great
[2017-07-18 12:45] ID=11446 Lekandi: I just paid a guy make me an opencart extension for this
[2017-07-18 15:35] ID=11447 Hagahoonda: None
[2017-07-18 15:35] ID=11448 Hagahoonda: any chance of a feature to have monero or even send bitcoin transactions through monero for small fee
[2017-07-18 15:38] ID=11449 RE_ID=11448 DoubleYouSee23: they're different blockchains, you can't send btc on the monero blockchain, or vice versa
[2017-07-18 15:38] ID=11450 Hagahoonda: go through an exchange
[2017-07-18 15:38] ID=11451 Hagahoonda: if mycelium always made the trade at profit even if it was small
[2017-07-18 15:39] ID=11452 Hagahoonda: could help the wallet grow instead of ads or that kind of revenue
[2017-07-18 15:39] ID=11453 Hagahoonda: and would help privacy of bitcoin networl
[2017-07-18 15:40] ID=11454 Hagahoonda: there are plenty people who would like to have a button that makes more anonymous with one click and and slight higher fee
[2017-07-18 15:41] ID=11455 Hagahoonda: like that privacy button on browsers lol
[2017-07-18 19:59] ID=11456 RE_ID=11436 AROMACOMPUTERS: 😂😂😂
[2017-07-18 23:01] ID=11457 TheSatMan: What do you guys think will happen to Bitcoin during 2017?\n\n1. Nothing\n2. Softfork user/miner\n3. Hardfork user/miner
[2017-07-18 23:02] ID=11458 TheSatMan: Voting - is now open! 😃
[2017-07-18 23:33] ID=11459 df: 1 or 2.
[2017-07-18 23:34] ID=11460 df: I say 70% chance BIP91 will happen.
[2017-07-19 02:57] ID=11461 AROMACOMPUTERS: All of the above
[2017-07-19 02:57] ID=11462 AROMACOMPUTERS: In order
[2017-07-19 04:37] ID=11463 RE_ID=11462 df: Why do you think the hard fork will happen?
[2017-07-19 04:38] ID=11464 DoubleYouSee23: Eventual MB upgrade.
[2017-07-19 04:43] ID=11465 RE_ID=11463 AROMACOMPUTERS: It's an auto execute, only if and after uasf executes
[2017-07-19 04:44] ID=11466 AROMACOMPUTERS: 1 side or other will have to say uncle
[2017-07-19 08:17] ID=11467 Lekandi: 
[2017-07-19 08:18] ID=11468 Lekandi: No option to add for address book?
[2017-07-19 08:18] ID=11469 Rassah: Bug. Check the previous tab where it used to be
[2017-07-19 08:18] ID=11470 Rassah: (business)
[2017-07-19 08:19] ID=11471 Lekandi: That button isnt working
[2017-07-19 08:19] ID=11472 Rassah: Well then...
[2017-07-19 08:19] ID=11473 Lekandi: 
[2017-07-19 08:20] ID=11474 Lekandi: If I hold it I get this
[2017-07-19 08:20] ID=11475 Lekandi: But can't click it
[2017-07-19 08:20] ID=11476 Rassah: Yeah, I see. It's broken right now I guess
[2017-07-19 11:17] ID=11477 thorbjorn: @Lekandi You can still add to address book from the transactions history, using the menu button after selecting a transaction.
[2017-07-19 11:21] ID=11478 thorbjorn: Missing icon is issue https://github.com/mycelium-com/wallet/issues/370
[2017-07-21 08:40] ID=11480 RE_ID=11429 rodomonte: How much bullshit my god...
[2017-07-21 08:42] ID=11481 RE_ID=11430 rodomonte: I hope this will be true, if yes I don't think miner will do the uahf
[2017-07-21 14:44] ID=11482 JPCrypto: None
[2017-07-21 14:45] ID=11483 JPCrypto: Hey! morning pals
[2017-07-21 14:45] ID=11484 JPCrypto: Someone knows about MyCelium debit card. When it will be?
[2017-07-21 20:00] ID=11485 Transisto: Mycelium statement on Segwith readiness / LN plans please,  and not here, on your blog.
[2017-07-22 08:43] ID=11486 Lekandi: who here is from Prague?
[2017-07-22 08:55] ID=11487 jandreske: Maybe you should ask them actual question, so people can decide whether they want to reveal where they are from? \nAnd also I dont immediately see what you could want to be getting at that is on topic here?
[2017-07-22 09:04] ID=11488 Lekandi: maybe you should mind your business?
[2017-07-22 09:15] ID=11489 ImadL: He probably have a question regarding the Local trader on Mycelium
[2017-07-22 09:15] ID=11490 ImadL: 😨
[2017-07-22 09:18] ID=11491 Lekandi: yeah no ones been active for a bit. But I thought that Trezor offices were here. I'm only in the weekend and lookjng for local place to buy. some atm locations listed aren't there any longer
[2017-07-22 09:21] ID=11492 ImadL: CoinATMRadar is a good place to find ATMs, everything listed and updated there
[2017-07-22 19:46] ID=11493 RE_ID=11488 ShortFatUglyDumb: This group is specifically for discussion about the Mycelium Wallet, so many of us try to keep extraneous chatter to a minimum.
[2017-07-22 19:47] ID=11494 RE_ID=11493 Lekandi: are you a moderator here?
[2017-07-22 19:47] ID=11495 ShortFatUglyDumb: No, just a Mycelium fan.
[2017-07-22 19:51] ID=11497 DoubleYouSee23: "Help me with my business!" "Mind your own business!" lol
[2017-07-22 19:52] ID=11498 Rassah: I'm a moderator
[2017-07-22 20:38] ID=11499 DoubleYouSee23: so... Swish refunds... ?
[2017-07-22 20:42] ID=11500 Rassah: 😞
[2017-07-22 20:52] ID=11501 DoubleYouSee23: now imagine how sad may face looks.
[2017-07-22 22:17] ID=11502 idelo: 
[2017-07-22 22:18] ID=11503 idelo: I'm waiting for it too
[2017-07-22 22:22] ID=11504 DoubleYouSee23: Yup. Pretty pissed about that to be honest
[2017-07-23 15:04] ID=11505 lorenzleutgeb: None
[2017-07-23 15:07] ID=11506 lorenzleutgeb: Hello!\nI have two questions.\n1. When (if ever) will CoinShuffle be available through Mycelium? I just found https://twitter.com/MyceliumCom/status/765214573616037888 but nothing more.\n2. Can Mycelium Entropy still be purchased? Where?
[2017-07-23 15:54] ID=11507 jandreske: Afaik the entropy is sold out.
[2017-07-23 16:08] ID=11508 RE_ID=11485 JPCrypto: So? Any update?
[2017-07-23 18:35] ID=11509 Transisto: What are you guys doing ?
[2017-07-23 18:39] ID=11510 crypt0tex: What's mycelium position regards SegWit and coming fork?
[2017-07-23 21:43] ID=11511 ysgjay: Mycelium financial reports out yet?
[2017-07-24 00:55] ID=11512 Bahtcoin: None
[2017-07-24 01:02] ID=11513 RE_ID=11510 Bahtcoin: There is still a fork coming ? I thought bip91 had activated, and segwit was on the way
[2017-07-24 06:27] ID=11514 Ade: None
[2017-07-24 07:19] ID=11515 RE_ID=11513 thorbjorn: BIP91 includes a hard fork in about 3 months.
[2017-07-24 07:20] ID=11516 thorbjorn: Well, as part of the Segwit2x plan, at least.
[2017-07-25 15:47] ID=11517 CryptoMarks: None
[2017-07-25 23:33] ID=11518 mrcheek: Bogdan Fiedur:\nSEC.gov | SEC Issues Investigative Report Concluding DAO Tokens, a Digital Asset, Were Securities\nhttps://www.sec.gov/news/press-release/2017-131
[2017-07-25 23:33] ID=11519 mrcheek: Interesting...
[2017-07-25 23:45] ID=11520 Rassah: Why would a government agency ever decide that they are not supposed to regulate something? The more they regulate, the more funding they get.
[2017-07-26 03:08] ID=11521 RE_ID=11520 AROMACOMPUTERS: Lol
[2017-07-26 03:14] ID=11522 idelo: will mycelium support bitcoin cash?
[2017-07-26 03:15] ID=11523 idelo: :)
[2017-07-26 03:18] ID=11524 Rassah: Dunno
[2017-07-26 03:20] ID=11525 Rassah: I'm thinking of stepping away from the company. I'm technically not employed anymore, since my contract expired months ago, but I'm still around helping out with customer relations, but at this point I'm concerned that staying will damage my reputation.
[2017-07-26 03:22] ID=11526 RE_ID=11525 AROMACOMPUTERS: When is Rassah-Wallet
[2017-07-26 03:22] ID=11527 Rassah: I'm not in control of anything here anymore, but things the company does are still reflecting on me. Like those ads that were added, the swish tokens still not being refunded, promises that were made during token sale that were never kept...
[2017-07-26 03:25] ID=11528 Rassah: I was planning to stay until the company gets more funds and can reinstate my contract, but at this point I just don't feel like my heart is in it anymore. Too many things I have issues with, not even including the months of back pay that I'm not even caring about losing anymore...
[2017-07-26 03:25] ID=11529 Rassah: Sorry guys
[2017-07-26 03:31] ID=11530 RE_ID=11529 Btctrade88: So sad to hear that.  All the best !
[2017-07-26 03:35] ID=11531 Rassah: I mainly wanted to stick around to see that the people who invested in our company get something back out of it, but that's also out of my hands now. And even though the one who is now in charge isn't a very good person or has the same goals that I originally had for the wallet (so you'll no doubt see changes I would have never intended), he seems to be ok for getting the wallet to the point where it may be able to start making enough money to pay for itself, which is the goal of the token investments (assuming the team doesn't quit from under him)
[2017-07-26 03:35] ID=11532 RE_ID=11528 df: It was nice having you.
[2017-07-26 03:37] ID=11533 RE_ID=11531 df: Do you recommend to keep Mycelium installed or should we move to something else?
[2017-07-26 03:37] ID=11534 Rassah: The wallet is still fine
[2017-07-26 03:40] ID=11535 Rassah: As long as @Giszmo is still working to keep it running, I trust it. If he leaves too, I would switch to something else, of only because it may start having uptime issues. He's done an unbelievable amount of work to keep the back end working through all the network floods and growing user base.
[2017-07-26 03:45] ID=11536 AROMACOMPUTERS: Never have heard a word from giszmo
[2017-07-26 03:46] ID=11537 Rassah: Leo Wandersleb
[2017-07-26 03:46] ID=11538 Rassah: He's posted here before
[2017-07-26 03:47] ID=11539 Rassah: He posts on Reddit too
[2017-07-26 03:48] ID=11540 DoubleYouSee23: While I would be very sad to see you go, I do understand
[2017-07-26 03:48] ID=11541 DoubleYouSee23: You do a great job, and it lends quite a bit of credibility to the company
[2017-07-26 03:48] ID=11542 DoubleYouSee23: I'd hate to see you leave and then things turn around though! lol
[2017-07-26 03:49] ID=11543 DoubleYouSee23: though you leaving may make AK and whomever else pull their heads out of their collective asses
[2017-07-26 03:50] ID=11544 RE_ID=11542 Rassah: I highly doubt that will happen.
[2017-07-26 03:50] ID=11545 DoubleYouSee23: damn, dude you are serioulsy breaking my heart
[2017-07-26 03:50] ID=11546 sabotagebeats: :(
[2017-07-26 03:50] ID=11547 Rassah: If it could, it would have years ago
[2017-07-26 03:51] ID=11548 DoubleYouSee23: everything you guys have made is amazing though. I really hope taking VC money isn't the only way to succeed in this arena
[2017-07-26 04:01] ID=11549 Rassah: I hope not either. The wallet is starting to earn some money finally, and Colu support is, surprisingly, actually finally getting finished (when I was told that it would be done in August, I should have known it was "of next year")
[2017-07-26 04:01] ID=11550 DoubleYouSee23: lol
[2017-07-26 04:01] ID=11551 DoubleYouSee23: I am a little sad you didn't just go with counterparty
[2017-07-26 04:02] ID=11552 DoubleYouSee23: people who wanted to hold could hold, and there would have been a built in way to sell for those that wanted to sell
[2017-07-26 04:25] ID=11553 sabotagebeats: "I am a little sad you didn't just go with counterparty" same
[2017-07-26 04:26] ID=11554 Rassah: same
[2017-07-26 04:26] ID=11555 Rassah: Well, no, that's a lie
[2017-07-26 04:27] ID=11556 Rassah: I was apprehensive about the whole raising funds to begin with. No matter what we used. But I thought Colu had potential
[2017-07-26 04:28] ID=11557 sabotagebeats: the closest i have seen to being able to "trade" the tokens is people posing in here they want to buy or sell
[2017-07-26 04:29] ID=11558 Rassah: Yeah, it's been a pain
[2017-07-26 04:29] ID=11559 RE_ID=11553 df: I also wanted the token sale to use counterparty. :(
[2017-07-26 04:30] ID=11560 Rassah: I don't know if that would have helped with exchanges though. Technical part was only part of the problem
[2017-07-26 04:34] ID=11561 df: Now that Bitcoin is getting segwit, do you think there will be alot more transactions on the blockchain till we get side chains / lightning?
[2017-07-26 04:42] ID=11562 Rassah: I hope so
[2017-07-26 04:43] ID=11563 Rassah: I'm still not a big fan of lightning though. There are a bunch of issues with it that for me are left unsolved/unanswered (node centralization, Sybil attacks, etc). But Leo is a big fan, so I'm sure I'll be fine.
[2017-07-26 06:02] ID=11564 RE_ID=11560 DoubleYouSee23: you can sell any counterparty token in most counterparty wallets, in case you didn't know that
[2017-07-26 06:02] ID=11565 sabotagebeats: seems pretty sweet
[2017-07-26 08:55] ID=11566 Lekandi: @Rassah any chance on devs breaking off and creating their own wallet?
[2017-07-26 09:15] ID=11567 jandreske: Well, I guess with the company in this problematic state, that might be mainly a question of being able to fund people working full time, and getting around non-compete clauses in contracts.
[2017-07-26 11:54] ID=11568 JPCrypto: Why MyCelium hasnt still pronunce it about BCC and 01 August?
[2017-07-26 14:13] ID=11569 RE_ID=11568 Rassah: Because there is no one to make any pronouncements.
[2017-07-26 14:14] ID=11570 JPCrypto: Tweeter neither responds, their support is awaful
[2017-07-26 14:17] ID=11571 Rassah: I seriously doubt there will be anything done to support BCC.
[2017-07-26 14:24] ID=11572 RE_ID=11570 Rassah: We have a support section on our website, and [email protected] is our support mail
[2017-07-26 14:25] ID=11573 JPCrypto: What will happen then to our BTC deposited on MyCelium wallets?
[2017-07-26 14:25] ID=11574 JPCrypto: after 01 Aug
[2017-07-26 14:26] ID=11575 Rassah: Nothing. You'll still have it
[2017-07-26 14:26] ID=11576 Bahtcoin: How will we be able to split our coins ? I heard ledger will integrate a splitting tool in their chrome plugin by August 1, so maybe better to put coins on a ledger before the end of the month ?
[2017-07-26 14:27] ID=11577 Rassah: If a wallet doesn't support splitting, you'll just send both coins on both chains at the same time
[2017-07-26 14:28] ID=11578 Bahtcoin: It won't be a problem to split even weeks after the fork right ?
[2017-07-26 14:28] ID=11579 Rassah: Right
[2017-07-26 14:29] ID=11580 JPCrypto: I hear you get same amount of  BCC for every BTC you may had. IT's not true with MyCelium then?
[2017-07-26 14:34] ID=11581 Bahtcoin: I'm pretty sure it's true with Mycelium, you just won't be able to split them. \n\nSo after the fork you'll send coins on both chains at the same time. \n\nYou'll be able to send coins from Mycelium (on both chains) to a wallet that supports splitting, and you'll get bcc and btc in that wallet, ledger for example. \n\nAm I right ?
[2017-07-26 15:13] ID=11582 RE_ID=11580 Rassah: Both are based on your same private key. It's not like one will be created from nothing. It's the exact same coins, but they just start moving on two different chains.
[2017-07-26 15:13] ID=11583 Rassah: Yeah, you'll probably need something else to separate them so you don't send both at the same time
[2017-07-26 18:46] ID=11584 JPCrypto: They are based on the same chain but still, it suppouse we will get double Bitcoins: \n\n"Investors or traders of Bitcoin will be credited with Bitcoin Cash due to its development team’s decision to implement replay protection. Some businesses including Bitrefill and Bixin plan to sell Bitcoin Cash and credit users with additional Bitcoin, which Bitcoin Core developers including Peter Todd described as a viable option."
[2017-07-26 18:46] ID=11585 JPCrypto: It's MyCelium giving us the BCC corresponding amount to every holder?
[2017-07-26 18:48] ID=11586 DoubleYouSee23: I do not believe so. If you have a trezor you are good though. If not, electrum will split the chains for you.
[2017-07-26 18:55] ID=11587 Transisto: Just pull out your seed and import it in a wallet that allow for coin splitting. Or send your coin to a static address before BCC start, might be easier to import a single private key than to derive from the seed.
[2017-07-26 18:56] ID=11588 sabotagebeats: but i believe mycelium doesn't have a standard seed so it has to be backed up a weird way?
[2017-07-26 18:57] ID=11589 Transisto: It's standard, just show the derivation path in the settings to be sure you derive from the same branch
[2017-07-26 18:58] ID=11590 sabotagebeats: interesting
[2017-07-26 18:58] ID=11591 Rassah: Actually Mycelium is more standard than other wallets. Electrum is non standard
[2017-07-26 18:59] ID=11592 Rassah: But, you can just keep bitcoins in your mycelium wallet, and then if the split happens, send them to a wallet that will allow you to split out the coins
[2017-07-26 19:00] ID=11593 sabotagebeats: tbqh with the way the heads of mycelium screwed the token holders i'm surprised there's not a backdoor in it lol
[2017-07-26 19:07] ID=11594 Rassah: I and the devs have been in charge of the code. We would have never let such a thing get through.
[2017-07-26 19:12] ID=11595 Cme: rassah, you are and will alway to "the man" of mycelium MT in my eyes.  ty for all your support!
[2017-07-26 19:13] ID=11596 Cme: good luck where ever you land
[2017-07-26 19:15] ID=11597 Rassah: Oh, I don't want to be associated with MT :(
[2017-07-26 19:29] ID=11598 Cme: but you are
[2017-07-26 19:29] ID=11599 Cme: were
[2017-07-26 19:31] ID=11600 Cme: I don't want to be associated with MASS but then again I am b/c I bought into it just like I did MT.
[2017-07-26 19:32] ID=11601 Cme: all b/c I love mycelium wallet's utility
[2017-07-26 19:34] ID=11602 Cme: and you :)
[2017-07-26 19:37] ID=11603 Rassah: Aww, thanks
[2017-07-26 19:37] ID=11604 Cme: np
[2017-07-26 20:16] ID=11605 CryptoGafty: hi
[2017-07-26 20:20] ID=11606 CryptoGafty: there is any way to recover a single address account if i have the address anf the key that starts with xpub?
[2017-07-26 20:21] ID=11607 CryptoGafty: the key has 14 groups starting with xpub
[2017-07-26 20:21] ID=11608 CryptoGafty: please help
[2017-07-26 20:21] ID=11609 CryptoGafty: 😊
[2017-07-26 20:26] ID=11610 jandreske: No - first, an xpub key just allows to generate addresses, not private keys needed to spend from them
[2017-07-26 20:27] ID=11611 jandreske: And the xpub is for an HD account, a single address account just hast a single address (and a single private key)
[2017-07-26 20:33] ID=11612 RE_ID=11611 AROMACOMPUTERS: Imo single keys are safer
[2017-07-26 20:33] ID=11613 Rassah: I prefer HD keys. More privacy
[2017-07-26 20:35] ID=11614 RE_ID=11613 AROMACOMPUTERS: But 1 is not like another, unlike single keys which are universal
[2017-07-26 23:58] ID=11615 ShortFatUglyDumb: there r Javascript tools out there that'll take a HD seed phrase & unfold it to single private keys. but u need 2 do some research & learning abt detivation paths & test out b4hand, b4 u use it on active seeds holding BTC.
[2017-07-27 01:32] ID=11616 RE_ID=11615 AROMACOMPUTERS: Or you could be simple and safe and use a single key, no fuss, no worries, no incompatible issues
[2017-07-27 07:21] ID=11617 duncan idaho: None
[2017-07-27 07:22] ID=11618 ImadL: Damn bitcoin is literally not at it best these days
[2017-07-27 07:22] ID=11619 ImadL: BTC-E owner arrested, site iwll probably never comeback
[2017-07-27 07:22] ID=11620 ImadL: Multibit HD down
[2017-07-27 07:22] ID=11621 sabotagebeats: uh
[2017-07-27 07:22] ID=11622 sabotagebeats: btc-e got fined
[2017-07-27 07:22] ID=11623 sabotagebeats: why would they fine them if they weren't coming back
[2017-07-27 07:23] ID=11624 ImadL: Who fined them
[2017-07-27 07:23] ID=11625 sabotagebeats: sec
[2017-07-27 07:23] ID=11626 ImadL: Source?
[2017-07-27 07:23] ID=11627 sabotagebeats: sec website
[2017-07-27 07:23] ID=11628 sabotagebeats: google if u dont believe me
[2017-07-27 07:24] ID=11629 ImadL: I did and can't find it
[2017-07-27 07:24] ID=11630 ImadL: isn't SEC something in the U.S ?
[2017-07-27 07:24] ID=11631 sabotagebeats: ok hold on
[2017-07-27 07:24] ID=11632 sabotagebeats: yea
[2017-07-27 07:24] ID=11633 ImadL: BTC-E is russiab ased
[2017-07-27 07:24] ID=11634 ImadL: based"
[2017-07-27 07:24] ID=11635 sabotagebeats: yea but like
[2017-07-27 07:24] ID=11636 sabotagebeats: you would think if they were shut down the servers would be seized
[2017-07-27 07:24] ID=11637 sabotagebeats: if they're not shut down and they exit scam why would they get fined
[2017-07-27 07:25] ID=11638 sabotagebeats: it'd be like if they fined alphabay
[2017-07-27 07:26] ID=11639 ImadL: 😨 idk really
[2017-07-27 07:26] ID=11640 ImadL: but saying that they should fix the problem soon
[2017-07-27 07:26] ID=11641 sabotagebeats: yea
[2017-07-27 07:26] ID=11642 sabotagebeats: 5 to ten days
[2017-07-27 07:26] ID=11643 ImadL: then they coem with an update saying "in 5-10 days"
[2017-07-27 07:26] ID=11644 sabotagebeats: or never
[2017-07-27 07:26] ID=11645 ImadL: is kinda phishy
[2017-07-27 07:26] ID=11646 ImadL: yep, probably never
[2017-07-27 07:26] ID=11647 sabotagebeats: ok so you wait 5 to ten days
[2017-07-27 07:26] ID=11648 sabotagebeats: or never
[2017-07-27 07:26] ID=11649 sabotagebeats: either way
[2017-07-27 07:26] ID=11650 sabotagebeats: sucks
[2017-07-27 07:27] ID=11651 sabotagebeats: but hopefulllyyyyyy you get your money back
[2017-07-27 07:27] ID=11652 ImadL: and now, It looks like they are involved in Mt gox hack
[2017-07-27 07:27] ID=11653 ImadL: I have no funds there honestly, but that doesn't mean I don't care
[2017-07-27 07:32] ID=11654 duncan idaho: Anyone knows something new about Mycelium Tokens?
[2017-07-27 07:32] ID=11655 sabotagebeats: i know you can sell me all of yours for way underpriced
[2017-07-27 07:33] ID=11656 duncan idaho: Not intrested ;) Just want to know is something is going on with this.
[2017-07-27 07:33] ID=11657 sabotagebeats: no mostly seems to be complete exit scam by management
[2017-07-27 07:37] ID=11658 duncan idaho: What about employe tokens? Is it same tokens?
[2017-07-27 07:40] ID=11659 Rassah: No employee tokens
[2017-07-27 07:40] ID=11660 Rassah: Just tokens.
[2017-07-27 07:40] ID=11661 sabotagebeats: :(
[2017-07-27 07:40] ID=11662 sabotagebeats: @Rassah has been here for us to console us but it seems like he got screwed too
[2017-07-27 07:41] ID=11663 Rassah: Maybe will be able to store tokens in the wallet soon
[2017-07-27 07:42] ID=11664 ImadL: Updates regarding teh SPV thing?
[2017-07-27 07:42] ID=11665 ImadL: You said It's a priority last time
[2017-07-27 07:43] ID=11666 duncan idaho: Rassah: Is any chance that tokens is not scam and we back our btc?
[2017-07-27 07:43] ID=11667 sabotagebeats: possibility that they will be worth money oneday maybe but not soon
[2017-07-27 07:44] ID=11668 RE_ID=11665 Rassah: Still is, but no idea how much longer
[2017-07-27 07:44] ID=11669 ImadL: ty
[2017-07-27 07:45] ID=11670 RE_ID=11666 Rassah: It's not a scam. I know that much. Just slow business
[2017-07-27 07:46] ID=11671 duncan idaho: Long term investment is not a problem for me but will be nice if managment team write something to investors
[2017-07-27 07:46] ID=11672 sabotagebeats: @Rassah since you have been laid off and owners have been vacationing in europe as seen in news articles  i have no doubt it is in eventuality some type of scam
[2017-07-27 07:48] ID=11673 RE_ID=11671 Rassah: Yeah, communication between management and rest of team has always been an issue. Since I don't plan to be involved, I guess it'll be an issue for customers too
[2017-07-27 07:51] ID=11674 RE_ID=11672 Rassah: I wasn't laid off. My contract simply ended, I was told that it would be renewed once the company raises more money and I get back pay, and that didn't happen, so I got tired of waiting. That plus other things I'm not happy with made me decide to just stop bothering.\nThere was no vacation in Europe. The news article called it a vacation but it was a business meeting for employees. We live in different parts of the world, and this was the first time we got a chance to get together and work together. Owner is... Somewhere. Few months ago he was working out of San Francisco. Right now I think he might be working from Moscow. I don't know.
[2017-07-27 07:55] ID=11675 duncan idaho: The don't have a money to pay you? So where is the all money they collected in crowdsale? Gone?
[2017-07-27 07:57] ID=11676 Rassah: A while ago I'm told. I haven't been paid from December onward, but the key devs are still being paid out of owner's own pocket
[2017-07-27 08:02] ID=11677 duncan idaho: I can't understand how the most popular bitcoin mobile wallet (IMO) with massive amount money from crowdsale 5k btc if i remmeber correctly, can't pay to employee and don't earn any money?
[2017-07-27 08:18] ID=11678 Rassah: Business is expensive to run and wallet wasn't earning any money at the time
[2017-07-27 08:36] ID=11679 ChrisB17: why was the business expensive to run tho?
[2017-07-27 08:36] ID=11680 ChrisB17: it's just a wallet
[2017-07-27 14:45] ID=11681 Rassah: Full time software developers, HR, accounting, legal, etc. It's not just a few people coding for fun for free
[2017-07-27 14:50] ID=11682 ChrisB17: no, but it's not a 10million pound operation either lol
[2017-07-27 14:50] ID=11683 ChrisB17: presumably there were undisclosed debts
[2017-07-27 14:50] ID=11684 Rassah: Right. But it didn't raise 10 million either
[2017-07-27 14:51] ID=11685 ChrisB17: 5000 btc?
[2017-07-27 14:51] ID=11686 Rassah: Yeah, when it was worth $476 or so
[2017-07-27 14:51] ID=11687 ChrisB17: what and immediately sold all for cash?
[2017-07-27 14:52] ID=11688 ChrisB17: doubt it
[2017-07-27 14:52] ID=11689 ChrisB17: even still
[2017-07-27 14:52] ID=11690 ChrisB17: that's crazy money
[2017-07-27 14:52] ID=11691 ChrisB17: interest alone is enough
[2017-07-27 14:52] ID=11692 RE_ID=11687 Rassah: Half of it right away, the other half a few months later, from what I'm told
[2017-07-27 14:52] ID=11693 ChrisB17: + the wallet still looks and functions identically
[2017-07-27 14:52] ID=11694 ChrisB17: so...wtf?
[2017-07-27 14:53] ID=11695 ChrisB17: i have to say Rassah, i know it's not all u, and i'm venting
[2017-07-27 14:54] ID=11696 Rassah: A few things were added, a lot of things were done on the back end, and some things that are hopefully maybe coming out soon have been worked on for almost a year now.
[2017-07-27 14:54] ID=11697 Rassah: But, the token sale and what happened with the money is one of the main reasons I'm stepping out
[2017-07-27 15:00] ID=11698 ysgjay: If we had financial reports we'd know
[2017-07-27 15:16] ID=11699 Rassah: ^ this
[2017-07-27 15:18] ID=11700 Rassah: Was told they would put them up every quarter, agreed to help with the token sale because of it, thinking they would be transparent, but that never happened and now I only know what I was told.
[2017-07-27 15:18] ID=11701 Rassah: Feel like I was made to lie to others because they lied to me (specifically about financial disclosures). I like to keep a certain standard of ethics, and this isn't it anymore.
[2017-07-27 16:13] ID=11702 RE_ID=11701 udiWertheimer: We all make mistakes. I think the best thing to do for the community would be for you to tell your part of the story, far and wide. Write a post, share it, let people know. There's a lot to learn from this story.
[2017-07-27 16:30] ID=11703 Cryptodora: None
[2017-07-27 16:33] ID=11704 theultimatum: None
[2017-07-27 16:34] ID=11705 vkeyxyz: None
[2017-07-27 16:36] ID=11706 Cryptotek: None
[2017-07-27 23:19] ID=11707 blitztoken: None
[2017-07-27 23:19] ID=11708 blitztoken: when will mycelium be on coinmarketcap and exchanges?
[2017-07-27 23:25] ID=11709 RE_ID=11708 ShortFatUglyDumb: This gets asked a lot here. It won't happen until enuf MT holders contact exchanges & request the token be listed.
[2017-07-28 00:21] ID=11710 ZaCkRrr: Or just pay some unpopular exchanger like cryptopia , livecoin , novaexchanger to list it
[2017-07-28 00:22] ID=11711 ZaCkRrr: It will take not more than 2btc / exchanger...mycellium collects 5k btc...does that sounds expensive ?
[2017-07-28 00:30] ID=11712 DoubleYouSee23: Its not an issue of profit, its an issue of legality. Since MT represent a stake in the company, any exchange that sells those tokens will have to follow regulations stipulated by their govt
[2017-07-28 07:09] ID=11713 jandreske: It might also be a question of relevance. While "a lot" of people ask here, the over all size of the market is pretty small, and I would assume most users are just hoping to find a place to dump their tokens and get parts of the bitcoin they paid.
[2017-07-28 15:19] ID=11714 ???: None
[2017-07-28 20:24] ID=11715 RE_ID=11708 Palatine: never
[2017-07-29 06:27] ID=11716 Transisto: 
[2017-07-29 06:28] ID=11717 Transisto: https://medium.com/airbitz/airbitz-and-the-bitcoin-cash-fork-886c62f96d22
[2017-07-29 06:28] ID=11718 Transisto: Mycelium ? Crickets....
[2017-07-29 13:12] ID=11719 hardcorepawn: https://twitter.com/Rassah/status/890069656391823362
[2017-07-29 15:09] ID=11720 RE_ID=11718 Rassah: No different
[2017-07-29 15:15] ID=11721 painlord2k: I moved my coins to an address of Bitcoin ABC and imported the private key to Mycelium.\nMade a backup for both (Bitcoin ABC and Mycelium)\n\nNow I can make a tx on Bitcoin Cash (BCH) branch and on Bitcoin SW (BTC ) branch after the fork.
[2017-07-29 15:20] ID=11722 RE_ID=11721 df: Read up on relay attacks. I'm hearing there is a good change of having both chains sending to the address. Eg. You try to send BCC to a BCC exchange, and your BTC gets sent to the same address. So you loose the BTC.
[2017-07-29 15:48] ID=11723 painlord2k: I would first move the coins to my own addresses (different ones) on both branches
[2017-07-29 15:54] ID=11724 idelo: I am planning to use my phrase to generate my private address and use it later separately.
[2017-07-29 15:55] ID=11725 idelo: with the offline version of this https://github.com/bitcoin/bips/blob/master/bip-0039.mediawiki
[2017-07-29 16:03] ID=11726 Rassah: BCC intends to activate with a bigger than 1mb block, so you won't be able to send BCC to anything but BCC, and BTC to anything but BTC.
[2017-07-29 16:03] ID=11727 Rassah: They handle that for you in a way
[2017-07-29 17:20] ID=11728 idelo: so, my plan will work
[2017-07-29 17:23] ID=11729 RE_ID=11712 sabotagebeats: So then basically MT ico was securities fraud :P
[2017-07-29 17:48] ID=11730 yanez72: I've been thinking for a long time
[2017-07-29 20:13] ID=11731 RE_ID=11729 Rassah: Only if you bought them in a country where it's illegal to do so
[2017-07-29 22:54] ID=11732 borghidavid: None
[2017-07-29 22:54] ID=11733 borghidavid: Hello!
[2017-07-29 22:55] ID=11734 borghidavid: Will mycelium support Bitcoin Cash?
[2017-07-29 23:26] ID=11735 RE_ID=11734 ShortFatUglyDumb: No plans as of yet. Like most BTC wallets.
[2017-07-30 05:59] ID=11736 ReidAbdKarim: None
[2017-07-30 06:11] ID=11737 RE_ID=11735 borghidavid: Thank you.
[2017-07-30 06:12] ID=11738 RE_ID=11735 borghidavid: Do you know any other wallet similar to Mycelium that will support Bitcoin cash?\n\nThank you.
[2017-07-30 07:55] ID=11739 RE_ID=11738 ShortFatUglyDumb: When u refer 2 a BCH (Bitcoin Cash) wallet, I assume u mean a wallet that'll import ur BTC private key or master seed, then when it gener8s tx's, it duz so on the BCH chain instead of the BTC chain.
[2017-07-30 07:57] ID=11740 ShortFatUglyDumb: I read rumors that a fork of the Electrum wallet may do this. Perhaps Trezor as well. I haven't researched this though. (Also know that I don't work 4 Mycelium, so my opinions r my own.)
[2017-07-30 07:57] ID=11741 RE_ID=11739 borghidavid: If I never shared my paper wallet with anyone, can I simply transfer my paper wallet from Mycelium to another wallet?\n\nThank you.
[2017-07-30 07:58] ID=11742 ShortFatUglyDumb: My apologies if I'm sliding off-topic here, talking abt other wallets. But bk 2 Mycelium...
[2017-07-30 07:58] ID=11743 RE_ID=11741 ShortFatUglyDumb: Prolly so.
[2017-07-30 07:58] ID=11744 RE_ID=11743 borghidavid: Thank you.
[2017-07-30 08:36] ID=11745 ImadL: BitcoinCash will get dumped instantly
[2017-07-30 09:38] ID=11746 thorbjorn: Can't dump it without buyers though.
[2017-07-30 09:39] ID=11747 ImadL: Good point, valeu will be 0$ then lolo
[2017-07-30 09:43] ID=11748 Alex Dular: None
[2017-07-30 09:44] ID=11749 Alex Dular: Hi! I am investor of ico mycelium wallet. I want sell investment. Where or on wich exchange can i sell the tokens?
[2017-07-30 09:51] ID=11750 sabotagebeats: :(
[2017-07-30 11:18] ID=11751 RE_ID=11749 yanez72: Ask @Rassah
[2017-07-30 11:33] ID=11752 RE_ID=11749 ZaCkRrr: You can try to sell to your neighbour . Apparently nobody want to buy it for now
[2017-07-30 11:45] ID=11753 RE_ID=11749 ShortFatUglyDumb: Try Bisq.
[2017-07-30 11:47] ID=11754 ImadL: The process of loading your wallet (Mycelium) from a paper wallet
[2017-07-30 11:47] ID=11755 ImadL: work how exactly?
[2017-07-30 11:47] ID=11756 ImadL: It sends a transaction? or simply import keys
[2017-07-30 11:48] ID=11757 ShortFatUglyDumb: Imports keys. There's an import option somewhere. Maybe try the add-new icon on the accounts screen. There's also a Cold Storage spend option to read right from ur paper wallet and send it all somewhere, then leave no trace in RAM.
[2017-07-30 11:51] ID=11758 ImadL: Which one would you recommend?
[2017-07-30 12:06] ID=11759 jandreske: Depends on what you want to archieve.
[2017-07-30 12:25] ID=11760 ImadL: The goal is to have funds from a paper wallet
[2017-07-30 12:25] ID=11761 ImadL: inside my Mycelium
[2017-07-30 12:25] ID=11762 ImadL: 😨
[2017-07-30 13:35] ID=11763 mishax1: Whats myceliums stand on the fork ?
[2017-07-30 13:46] ID=11764 mishax1: What happens if i send btc from myclium after the split?
[2017-07-30 13:48] ID=11765 DoubleYouSee23: As of now you send both coins I believe
[2017-07-30 14:09] ID=11766 ImadL: There was an update?
[2017-07-30 14:13] ID=11767 thorbjorn: From https://www.bitcoincash.org/: "How is transaction replay being handled between the new and the old blockchain?\nBitcoin Cash transactions use a new flag SIGHASH_FORKID, which is non standard to the legacy blockchain.  This prevents Bitcoin Cash transactions from being replayed on the Bitcoin blockchain and vice versa."
[2017-07-30 14:13] ID=11768 thorbjorn: My conclusion is, that when Mycelium doesn't change anything, after the fork it will only be sending on the BTC chain.
[2017-07-30 14:53] ID=11769 painlord2k: Right
[2017-07-30 15:35] ID=11770 Rassah: I think so too
[2017-07-30 15:47] ID=11771 RE_ID=11760 jandreske: To have the funds moved from the paper wallet to your mycelium wallet (backed up by the seed) or to have access to the funds on the paper wallet from within mycelium (as a separate account, not covered by the master seed)?
[2017-07-30 15:47] ID=11772 ImadL: Paper have the private keys
[2017-07-30 15:48] ID=11773 jandreske: Yes. Do you want the funds moved away from there, or have the keys inside mycelium (to be able to move later)?
[2017-07-30 15:48] ID=11774 ImadL: Well I want to get them inside Mycelium
[2017-07-30 15:52] ID=11775 ImadL: So I believe it's the second choice, having the keys inside Mycelium
[2017-07-30 15:54] ID=11776 Rassah: Cold storage from the menu, then send them to your own wallet
[2017-07-30 15:54] ID=11777 Rassah: Or key+ icon, Advanced, then scan to add the keys
[2017-07-30 15:56] ID=11778 ImadL: I appreciate it, thanks :)
[2017-07-30 22:37] ID=11779 crypto_anarcist: None
[2017-07-30 22:43] ID=11780 painlord2k: 🔑➕ Advanced, then scan to add the keys
[2017-07-30 22:44] ID=11781 RE_ID=11780 Rassah: Oh sweet! 🔑+. I'll have to remember I can just type that
[2017-07-31 00:21] ID=11782 RE_ID=11768 AROMACOMPUTERS: IDK\nI think if nothing was done on mycelium side, and you sent Bitcoin...  It would send all the fake bitcoins as well.\nUnless you separated out the fake corn, and sent it seperately first.
[2017-07-31 00:23] ID=11783 AROMACOMPUTERS: Also keep in mind, any website that offers to split for you... Can steal it all too
[2017-07-31 00:28] ID=11784 Rassah: I don't think Mycelium can send fake coins, since Mycelium only sends actually signed transactions, not imaginary ones.
[2017-07-31 01:28] ID=11785 RE_ID=11784 AROMACOMPUTERS: True\nBut the private key that controlled all the varieties, was used to send 1 variety.    Without splitting the fake corn and moving it 1st.\nThus all varieties are gone now, in 1 transaction.
[2017-07-31 01:29] ID=11786 Rassah: By "fake" you mean BCC?
[2017-07-31 01:30] ID=11787 AROMACOMPUTERS: Sure that too\nSounds like we will have like 4 or 5 bitcoins
[2017-07-31 01:30] ID=11788 Rassah: Doubt it. But maybe
[2017-07-31 01:31] ID=11789 Rassah: This isn't the first time we've had alts split off
[2017-07-31 01:31] ID=11790 Rassah: Thought first time in this way I guess
[2017-07-31 01:33] ID=11791 RE_ID=11785 HostFat: no
[2017-07-31 01:33] ID=11792 HostFat: you can't send Bitcoin Cash with Mycelium
[2017-07-31 01:33] ID=11793 RE_ID=11792 AROMACOMPUTERS: No you just lose it
[2017-07-31 01:33] ID=11794 AROMACOMPUTERS: Think carefully how it actually works
[2017-07-31 01:34] ID=11795 HostFat: I know how it works, it seems that you don't
[2017-07-31 01:34] ID=11796 AROMACOMPUTERS: Lol ok
[2017-07-31 01:34] ID=11797 AROMACOMPUTERS: If I have a balance of 1.0 btc\nI send you 1.0 btc with fee deducted.\nHow do I get my bitcoin cash now?\nYou tell me
[2017-07-31 01:35] ID=11798 HostFat: you have to import your private keys on a wallet che support bitcoin cash transactions
[2017-07-31 01:35] ID=11799 HostFat: mycelium doesn't
[2017-07-31 01:35] ID=11800 AROMACOMPUTERS: So you agree now\nOr just dont comprehend
[2017-07-31 01:36] ID=11801 AROMACOMPUTERS: U must do that, \nBEFORE\nSending on mycelium
[2017-07-31 01:36] ID=11802 HostFat: mycelium doesn't support bitcoin cash transactions, so every tx that comes from a mycelium wallet will not arrive on the bitcoin cash blockchain
[2017-07-31 01:36] ID=11803 AROMACOMPUTERS: Or, they key was used, balance moved, and its gone
[2017-07-31 01:37] ID=11804 AROMACOMPUTERS: This is not rocket science
[2017-07-31 01:56] ID=11805 Rassah: Do Bitcoin Cash nodes listen to Core nodes?
[2017-07-31 01:58] ID=11806 Rassah: I thought that after BCC splits off, any Core blocks will be considered as invalid by BCC nodes, and likewise any Core transaction broadcasts will be ignored by BCC nodes. Though maybe not the first transaction, since BCC nodes won't know if the transaction from an old block belongs to them or not.
[2017-07-31 01:58] ID=11807 Rassah: So, you may be right Robert
[2017-07-31 02:00] ID=11808 RE_ID=11806 HostFat: https://www.bitcoincash.org/replay
[2017-07-31 02:00] ID=11809 HostFat: it has a full replay protection, tx are totaly NOT compatible
[2017-07-31 02:05] ID=11810 Rassah: Ah, ok. Great
[2017-07-31 02:07] ID=11811 Rassah: Tweeted about that from Mycelium account. Probably last tweet I do.
[2017-07-31 02:08] ID=11812 Rassah: Seemed like a necessary courtesy for our users.
[2017-07-31 02:09] ID=11813 HostFat: 👍
[2017-07-31 02:11] ID=11814 HostFat: Maybe, just maybe ... embracing the Bitcoin Cash market with an already very well designed wallet can be a good idea to get some new users on mycelium label
[2017-07-31 02:11] ID=11815 Rassah: Not up to me anymore
[2017-07-31 02:11] ID=11816 HostFat: I mean, I think that modify Mycelium and release a new app, it is easier the modify for other altcoin
[2017-07-31 02:12] ID=11817 HostFat: ok, but are there other people that you think that are still working with mycelium?
[2017-07-31 02:12] ID=11818 HostFat: do you think that they are reading what I'm writing? :)
[2017-07-31 02:13] ID=11819 Rassah: Also Mycelium uses back end servers. BCC support means we need to set up and run 3 more server nodes.
[2017-07-31 02:13] ID=11820 HostFat: yep :)
[2017-07-31 02:13] ID=11821 Rassah: Just the BTC ones are hassle enough
[2017-07-31 02:13] ID=11822 HostFat: ok
[2017-07-31 02:13] ID=11823 HostFat: maybe if the SPV feature was finished :)
[2017-07-31 02:13] ID=11824 Rassah: All the wallet devs are in this channel. Don't know if they read
[2017-07-31 02:14] ID=11825 RE_ID=11823 Rassah: Once that's finished, hopefully. If hope someone grabs a copy of the code and makes their own BCC version too.
[2017-07-31 03:31] ID=11826 Carl Swagan: None
[2017-07-31 05:25] ID=11827 ???: None
[2017-07-31 10:23] ID=11828 Bahtcoin: Below is what I intend to do to secure my bitcoins (btc and bcc) after the fork, can you guys please tell me if it is 100% safe ?\n\n1- Sending all my balance from Mycelium to another wallet that I own.\n\n2- importing my 12 words seed to a bcc wallet\n\n3- sending all bcc to another bcc wallet that I own\n\nThat way I split all my btc and bcc safely right ?
[2017-07-31 10:25] ID=11829 HostFat: 3 is useless
[2017-07-31 13:08] ID=11830 Bahtcoin: Okay thanks
[2017-07-31 13:39] ID=11831 RE_ID=11829 miketwenty1: pretty much you will have to import private keys to BCC because no replay with BCC right?
[2017-07-31 13:39] ID=11832 miketwenty1: why it step 1 necessary?
[2017-07-31 14:47] ID=11833 ethbitsMarketingPR: Silly question but I guess the mycelium token is at a total loss?
[2017-07-31 14:54] ID=11834 RE_ID=11833 Rassah: No, not yet anyway. Wallet still around
[2017-07-31 15:03] ID=11835 ???: None
[2017-07-31 16:25] ID=11836 wksantiago: It would be great that in the future an equivalent "ERC20" on RSK secured by Bitcoin.
[2017-07-31 16:25] ID=11837 RE_ID=11836 wksantiago: token
[2017-07-31 19:41] ID=11838 ethbitsMarketingPR: Well that is 10 Bitcoin down the drain. I just do not u derstand this bullshit. We raised 2 mill 4 months ago and our expenses sex are no more than 50k. How can they spend that amount to and produce nothing?????
[2017-07-31 19:45] ID=11839 BB_Martino: 4 months ago?!
[2017-07-31 19:54] ID=11840 RE_ID=11839 df: Maybe he means 1 year 4 months ago.
[2017-07-31 19:57] ID=11841 ethbitsMarketingPR: nah I mean the ICO I was involved with... All funds accounted for and development plan in place. We are even paying indexed fund profits to token holders. this mycelium bullshit sucks anal sphincter
[2017-07-31 19:57] ID=11842 Rassah: I can't comment other than currently money being spent is coming out of the CEOs own pocket, and this is one of the reasons I quit.
[2017-07-31 19:58] ID=11843 ethbitsMarketingPR: no ill words ro Rassah either I think he is a great asset to any project
[2017-07-31 19:59] ID=11844 Rassah: I would have preferred if the finances and everything that happened was completely public. But not my call.
[2017-07-31 19:59] ID=11845 df: When I invested, I was thinking a company like paypal would buy Mycelium someday for a few billion. I didn't have much hope the wallet would make much money itself.
[2017-07-31 20:01] ID=11846 Rassah: I was intending for the wallet to make a lot of money itself. It's still on that track.
[2017-07-31 20:02] ID=11847 Rassah: Just really really really slow getting there
[2017-07-31 21:28] ID=11848 Edson Miranda: None
[2017-08-01 19:59] ID=11849 wordline: None
[2017-08-01 21:10] ID=11850 wordline: Hello. Please, how i get bitcoin cash from mycelium?
[2017-08-01 21:12] ID=11851 DoubleYouSee23: unless something has changed I beleive you have to imprt your rivate keys into a wallet that supports BCH
[2017-08-01 21:12] ID=11852 df: In altcoin news, Zooko is on his way to the FBI to talk with them about ZCash.
[2017-08-01 21:13] ID=11853 df: https://twitter.com/zooko/status/892466527756308481
[2017-08-01 21:15] ID=11854 BB_Martino: Gavin & CIA style event? 😊
[2017-08-01 21:17] ID=11855 RE_ID=11854 df: It reminded me of the same thing.
[2017-08-01 21:17] ID=11856 BtcNW: Anyone else having problem of the wallet unable to broadcast?
[2017-08-01 21:30] ID=11857 RE_ID=11856 AROMACOMPUTERS: That sucks
[2017-08-01 21:30] ID=11858 AROMACOMPUTERS: Can you specify nodes yet?
[2017-08-01 21:37] ID=11859 BtcNW: It's not my wallet..a friend's... I'll dig a little deeper
[2017-08-01 21:38] ID=11860 BtcNW: I think it finally connected.. thank you
[2017-08-01 22:21] ID=11861 rodomonte: why cant i delete an account?
[2017-08-01 22:22] ID=11862 rodomonte: "Delete account"--->"You cannot hide a used account, but you can archive it"
[2017-08-01 22:22] ID=11863 rodomonte: seriously is this a joke?
[2017-08-01 22:22] ID=11864 rodomonte: stupid joke
[2017-08-01 22:29] ID=11865 rodomonte: yes, seems it's not possible in any way: please allow it or remove the option do delete it, doesnt make lot of sense like so
[2017-08-01 22:29] ID=11866 rodomonte: also, why can i delete one of my hd accounts? (also empty)
[2017-08-01 22:44] ID=11867 Rassah: Deleting HD account won't actually get rid of it, since it's derived from your seed, and the same account can be made again from the same seed.
[2017-08-01 22:44] ID=11868 Rassah: All it would do it hide it
[2017-08-01 22:46] ID=11869 RE_ID=11803 painlord2k: False and misleading.
[2017-08-01 22:47] ID=11870 painlord2k: Keys are not "used" as in "Spent".\n\nThe same key loaded in Bitcoin ABC will be able to move the coins on that ledger (and the Cash coins only).\nMycelium can only move the Bitcoin (1 MB blocks)  coins
[2017-08-01 22:48] ID=11871 RE_ID=11870 AROMACOMPUTERS: Go ahead and take that risk then
[2017-08-01 22:48] ID=11872 HostFat: he clearly doesn't know that the replay attack is completely fixed on bitcoin cash
[2017-08-01 22:48] ID=11873 HostFat: I mean you robert
[2017-08-01 22:48] ID=11874 AROMACOMPUTERS: Seems electrum is the way to go
[2017-08-01 22:48] ID=11875 Rassah: Has there been a >1mb bitcoin cash block yet?
[2017-08-01 22:48] ID=11876 RE_ID=11875 AROMACOMPUTERS: Yes
[2017-08-01 22:49] ID=11877 Rassah: So it's completely split now
[2017-08-01 22:49] ID=11878 AROMACOMPUTERS: Height Version Miner Coin Base Text Block Size (kB)\n478561 0x20000002   aM  _ʀY/Genesis Blockj 269-273 Hennessy Road Wan Chai Hong Kong/  E" 20.24
[2017-08-01 22:50] ID=11879 RE_ID=11877 AROMACOMPUTERS: I won't be testing the system for a bit.\nWho knows
[2017-08-01 22:51] ID=11880 RE_ID=11875 painlord2k: 8  up to now
[2017-08-01 22:52] ID=11881 Rassah: Was wondering if there would be enough activity on it to get there, but then remembered everyone is sending it to sell on exchanges
[2017-08-01 22:54] ID=11882 DoubleYouSee23: As someone who lived through the ETH/ETC split I'm waiting for awhile to figure out my course of action
[2017-08-01 22:56] ID=11883 AROMACOMPUTERS: There's so much chaos\nPeeps bidding up bcc, cause they thought it was Bitcoin cash.\nTo find it they bought bitcoin core speculation token from the last ver coin attempt LOL
[2017-08-01 22:58] ID=11884 AROMACOMPUTERS: What to even call it\nBcc? (As announced)\nBth? (As called now)
[2017-08-01 22:59] ID=11885 Rassah: Bitcoin Cash?
[2017-08-01 22:59] ID=11886 Rassah: Just call it that
[2017-08-01 22:59] ID=11887 AROMACOMPUTERS: That's not a trading symbol though
[2017-08-01 23:00] ID=11888 AROMACOMPUTERS: Whatever it is, it's not bitcoin
[2017-08-01 23:00] ID=11889 Rassah: BTC isn't taken. Core is using XBT ;)
[2017-08-01 23:00] ID=11890 AROMACOMPUTERS: In 6 months or less they'll be back acting like this never happened, with another fork
[2017-08-01 23:02] ID=11891 RE_ID=11889 AROMACOMPUTERS: How many chains does 1 key control now\n4?
[2017-08-01 23:03] ID=11892 Bahtcoin: 4 chains ?
[2017-08-01 23:03] ID=11893 AROMACOMPUTERS: Like back when everyone got free quarks and clams etc\nHahaha
[2017-08-01 23:03] ID=11894 Rassah: I think there are only two chains
[2017-08-01 23:04] ID=11895 RE_ID=11894 AROMACOMPUTERS: Plus the original
[2017-08-01 23:04] ID=11896 Bahtcoin: That's what I understood too
[2017-08-01 23:04] ID=11897 AROMACOMPUTERS: Is segwit now xbt?
[2017-08-01 23:04] ID=11898 RE_ID=11895 Rassah: Including the original
[2017-08-01 23:04] ID=11899 Rassah: Just bitcoin that now has SegWit, and Bitcoin Cash
[2017-08-01 23:06] ID=11900 AROMACOMPUTERS: Both are compatible with the original chain?\nI thought 148 ignored all non segwit.
[2017-08-01 23:06] ID=11901 Rassah: I don't know if there are any non SegWit
[2017-08-01 23:07] ID=11902 AROMACOMPUTERS: Hmmm
[2017-08-01 23:07] ID=11903 AROMACOMPUTERS: I can't leave it out\nIt's still there
[2017-08-01 23:09] ID=11904 AROMACOMPUTERS: Is there anything stopping me from mining empty blocks solo, and not broadcast
[2017-08-01 23:12] ID=11905 Rassah: No
[2017-08-01 23:31] ID=11906 RE_ID=11851 Edson Miranda: how to do this?
[2017-08-01 23:36] ID=11907 DoubleYouSee23: 1. Find a wallet that supports both chains\n2.open mycelium\n3.from the 'accounts' page click your wallet to highlight it.\n4.click the 3 dots that open your menu (upper right hand corner) \n5. Select export\n6. Import those into another wallet. The process will vary depending on the wallet you use.
[2017-08-02 01:23] ID=11908 ???: None
[2017-08-02 01:51] ID=11909 ???: Any updates on the tokens ?
[2017-08-02 03:24] ID=11910 AlexRuski: @Rassah any news on the tokens?
[2017-08-02 03:29] ID=11911 Rassah: I wouldn't know
[2017-08-02 03:42] ID=11912 AlexRuski: Why not?
[2017-08-02 04:42] ID=11913 RE_ID=11850 ZaCkRrr: https://twitter.com/CoinomiWallet/status/892557889390481408
[2017-08-02 07:03] ID=11914 onefox: Is the local trader loading for you guys?
[2017-08-02 09:02] ID=11915 ???: None
[2017-08-02 09:04] ID=11916 RE_ID=11914 DoubleYouSee23: Nope
[2017-08-02 09:14] ID=11917 RE_ID=11916 wksantiago: Nope
[2017-08-02 09:14] ID=11918 RE_ID=11914 wksantiago: Nope
[2017-08-02 10:41] ID=11919 Di: None
[2017-08-02 11:01] ID=11920 RE_ID=11907 Di: Isn't there a security backup step after step#5 - send btc to another wallet & then export keys?
[2017-08-02 11:53] ID=11921 Di: Dear Friends and Mycelium team!\n\nWho had already claimed bcc from Mycelium wallet? It would be highly appreciated if someone post safe and detailed instructions. \n\nAs I see it, one transfers bitcoin to another seed wallet, than exports the old, empty seed to bcc wallet (coinomi for example) and retrieve bcc there. Would be very happy to get detailed and working scheme, though
[2017-08-02 12:06] ID=11922 wordline: Has anyone here successfully claimed Bcc from mycelium? \n\nPlease, kindly guide on how to. \n\nThank you.
[2017-08-02 12:40] ID=11923 CycleTrading: None
[2017-08-02 12:49] ID=11924 RE_ID=11920 CycleTrading: Yes but that step should have been completed when you created your Wallet. You create your keys and backup. Note: Procedure for backing up the HD Wallet is a separate action from backing up Static Addresses (Single Address). You make sure you save the Secret Code (ALL CAPS random String of Letters) at the Bottom on the Legacy Backup which includes ALL of your Static Addresses in one backup.
[2017-08-02 12:54] ID=11925 RE_ID=11924 Di: I made a backup for wallet, when i created it long time ago. I got btc on it and now i want to get bcc AND be sure, that my btc will be safe
[2017-08-02 12:58] ID=11926 Di: And as Mycelium uses HD system and I have few different accounts there, I would like (as many others) to get straight, safe and secure instruction particular for Mycelium wallet on how to claim for bcc. SOS)
[2017-08-02 13:01] ID=11927 CycleTrading: I agree.
[2017-08-02 13:03] ID=11928 Di: As there are plenty guides on how to do that with Electrum, Coinomi etc. Just particular instruction for Mycelium. Dear Mycelium Team and guys, who managed to do that - please, share the answer) May You and Your coins be blessed!
[2017-08-02 13:37] ID=11929 Pepy Ganea: The buton for adding address to adress boock shows in parteners tab , should be fixed :p
[2017-08-02 13:47] ID=11930 RE_ID=11921 Rassah: As far as I understand it, if you transfer your bitcoin from Mycelium to another wallet, at this point that transaction will only happen on the bitcoin chain. You have to import your Mycelium Wallet seed to another wallet (though that's probably what you meant)
[2017-08-02 13:52] ID=11931 Hagahoonda: some people recommend emptying your current bitcoin in case your current seed gets comprimised being added to new wallet.  i guess keyloggers, screen capturers etc are the main concerns.  not super risky for most users but some people out there could be comprimised
[2017-08-02 13:52] ID=11932 RE_ID=11930 Di: Yes, i see it the same way. I just really need some approval of this approach from Mycelium team and Mycelium users that made it that way. Should i export key by key, or just seed from an empty wallet? By exporting we mean typing in 12 words in a new wallet? \n\nThere are just few subtle momenta in this process. That i just want to be sure about
[2017-08-02 13:52] ID=11933 RE_ID=11931 Rassah: That's a good idea
[2017-08-02 13:53] ID=11934 Rassah: I think moving your Bitcoin to a completely new wallet, and then importing the whole seed to a BCC wallet is best
[2017-08-02 14:01] ID=11935 wordline: STEPS TO ACCESS BITCOIN CASH FROM MYCELIUM. \n\n1. Download coinnomi from App Store \n2. Click on restore wallet. \n3. Input your mycelium seeds phrase one after the other. \n4.Add coin: Add Bitcoin. \n5. You will be taken to your dashboard where you see your mycelium bitcoin wallet. \n6. Click overview, look down.  You'd see +coin. \n7. Click on +coin.  \n8. Choose Bitcoin cash. \n9. Put Bcc as description and input your password. \n10. Click on advanced settings. \n11. Input : M/44H/0H/0H\n12. Add it. \n\nYour Bitcoin Cash balance will pop up.  \n\nGood day!
[2017-08-02 14:02] ID=11936 Rassah: Thank you
[2017-08-02 14:02] ID=11937 RE_ID=11936 wordline: Welcome
[2017-08-02 14:03] ID=11938 RE_ID=11935 Hagahoonda: what is this step? probably obvious if i go through it but curious as i understand all the rest
[2017-08-02 14:04] ID=11939 RE_ID=11938 wordline: I just got access to my bitcoin cash using that step
[2017-08-02 14:06] ID=11940 RE_ID=11935 Di: Fantsatic! God bless You!
[2017-08-02 14:08] ID=11941 RE_ID=11935 Di: Just one question - is a good safety measure to firstly moove btc from mycelium wallet to another one?
[2017-08-02 14:09] ID=11942 ???: but coinnomi is not in the App Store
[2017-08-02 14:09] ID=11943 RE_ID=11942 Di: https://www.google.co.in/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://play.google.com/store/apps/details%3Fid%3Dcom.coinomi.wallet%26hl%3Dru%26referrer%3Dutm_source%253Dgoogle%2526utm_medium%253Dorganic%2526utm_term%253Dcoinomi%26pcampaignid%3DAPPU_1_D92BWf-dFYr-vATktojQAw&ved=0ahUKEwi_4e363LjVAhUKP48KHWQbAjoQ5IQBCDAwAQ&usg=AFQjCNE1CpH4rZ3LJRvIKHBWajgJZ9LghQ
[2017-08-02 14:09] ID=11944 RE_ID=11941 wordline: Yes, it is. \nI moved mine first.
[2017-08-02 14:10] ID=11945 RE_ID=11942 wordline: It is
[2017-08-02 14:10] ID=11946 RE_ID=11944 Di: And then just export seed from an empty wallet?
[2017-08-02 14:12] ID=11947 RE_ID=11946 wordline: Yes. \nThe condition for getting a bitcoin cash is if the fork meets your bitcoin in mycelium. \n\nIf it did, good.
[2017-08-02 14:12] ID=11948 RE_ID=11947 Di: Yes, at a time of fork btc was on my few accounts under one seed
[2017-08-02 14:13] ID=11949 RE_ID=11948 wordline: Good. \n\nGo access your bitcoin cash
[2017-08-02 14:15] ID=11950 RE_ID=11949 Di: You are a saint! Thank You! I was trying to figure out particular transfer from Mycelium to Coinomi for a whole day) may i ask one last question - to what wallet have You transferred btc? I trust Mycelium really great, what wLlet with private keya can be as secure?
[2017-08-02 14:16] ID=11951 RE_ID=11950 wordline: BTC.com works well for me. \n\nYou may consider an offline wallet too.
[2017-08-02 17:36] ID=11952 Di: Ok, dear friends. So i've made everything as in instruction. But i received Bcc only from one of the accounts, not fro all. What shall i do? I've used seed for all accounts, no? But got bcc only from single
[2017-08-02 17:36] ID=11953 Di: Dear friend, what can you suggest?
[2017-08-02 17:37] ID=11954 RE_ID=11936 Di: Dear friend, i've got bcc only from one account, but they all arr settled by one seed? What shall i do?
[2017-08-02 17:46] ID=11955 Di: I Had 3 accounts under 1 seed. I transfered btc to another wallet and then used seed in Coinomi wallet. I received bcc onlu from one account, though( how to retrieve the rest? Thank You!
[2017-08-02 17:51] ID=11956 Rassah: No idea
[2017-08-02 17:53] ID=11957 Di: Is there ant advice?
[2017-08-02 17:53] ID=11958 Di: Let's be logical
[2017-08-02 17:54] ID=11959 Di: There is a seed, pointi g on all accounts, but it pointed only for one. How to retrieve others?
[2017-08-02 17:56] ID=11960 Rassah: Please realize people are not reading this chat constantly. Ask once, wait for an answer. Asking multiple times isn't going to speed things up
[2017-08-02 17:57] ID=11961 Di: You're right, i understand
[2017-08-02 17:58] ID=11962 Di: But maybe You know mechanics of seed and how it retrieve wallet's data
[2017-08-02 17:58] ID=11963 Di: That's why i ask
[2017-08-02 18:07] ID=11964 RE_ID=11960 Di: Rassah, is there any technicen, that can help me?
[2017-08-02 18:13] ID=11965 Di: I suspect Coinome is taking Bip32 phrase and Myceliym is Bip39. How yo hendle this?
[2017-08-02 18:17] ID=11966 ImadL: What you want to do?
[2017-08-02 18:17] ID=11967 ImadL: https://github.com/iancoleman/bip39
[2017-08-02 18:18] ID=11968 ImadL: Run it locally or use it directly: https://iancoleman.github.io/bip39/
[2017-08-02 19:15] ID=11969 felmontoya: None
[2017-08-02 19:42] ID=11970 CycleTrading: @ImadL So I need to convert my Seed Phrase from Mycelium to Bip39? Does that make it backward compatible?
[2017-08-02 22:03] ID=11971 RE_ID=11966 Di: I want to get all the amount of bcc. I've received only part of it, from 1 account and i have 3, on the same seed
[2017-08-02 22:12] ID=11972 RE_ID=11967 Di: Thanks for the tool, Coinomi also implemented it on their we-site: https://coinomi.com/recovery-phrase-tool.html
[2017-08-02 22:14] ID=11973 Di: I just want to understand what to do now - shoul i restore wallet once more, ising BIP39 mnemonic, converted by this tool? Coinomi states, that i may use coins, if a haven't backup the phrase, or this phrase is still backuped by Mycelium?\n\nThanks!
[2017-08-02 22:15] ID=11974 AROMACOMPUTERS: This is exactly what sucks about seeds
[2017-08-02 22:16] ID=11975 AROMACOMPUTERS: Single keys just work
[2017-08-02 22:20] ID=11976 RE_ID=11974 AROMACOMPUTERS: Reminds me of the days when apples were on apple-talk & PC's were obviously not.  Needed 3rd party tools to communicate...
[2017-08-02 22:20] ID=11977 RE_ID=11975 Di: But evrrything should be convertable, i supose, as seed and the key are just pointers to the coins, so both should work as a key to the door. I had never a problem with a seed
[2017-08-02 22:22] ID=11978 RE_ID=11976 AROMACOMPUTERS: Eventually all the manufactures got their head out of ass and used the same protocol
[2017-08-02 22:27] ID=11979 RE_ID=11978 Di: Hope so. But meanwhile, to You have an idea, how can i get the acess to the rest coins from Mycelium seed?
[2017-08-02 22:28] ID=11980 AROMACOMPUTERS: I have no idea
[2017-08-02 22:29] ID=11981 RE_ID=11616 AROMACOMPUTERS: ^^
[2017-08-02 23:23] ID=11982 RE_ID=11616 Rassah: That doesn't help in this situation, or any future situations. Using the same address is just a bad idea in general. No privacy, less security.
[2017-08-02 23:46] ID=11983 RE_ID=11982 HostFat: which is the Derivation Path of mycelium?
[2017-08-02 23:47] ID=11984 HostFat: I'm trying this https://iancoleman.github.io/bip39/
[2017-08-03 00:24] ID=11985 HostFat: ok, I've found it
[2017-08-03 01:31] ID=11986 RE_ID=11982 AROMACOMPUTERS: It did when I said it
[2017-08-03 01:56] ID=11987 Ax: None
[2017-08-03 12:05] ID=11988 CycleTrading: I cleared the App Data for Common but it won't let me set the Derivation Path
[2017-08-03 18:06] ID=11989 ImadL: I sent funds from Paper wallet to Mycelium
[2017-08-03 18:06] ID=11990 ImadL: It says that it's confirmed on blockexplorers
[2017-08-03 18:06] ID=11991 ImadL: but Mycelium says otherwise?
[2017-08-03 20:01] ID=11992 CycleTrading: I'm having major problems with importing Mycelium Static Address to Coinomi for BitcoinCash.  I have no seed, just the 14 Digit Encrypted Key. Help please.
[2017-08-03 23:07] ID=11993 idelo: Hi, I have a question, if someone can guide me. A friend sent 0.54BTC but I don't know how, he sent it with zero in commission, will the transaction be fulfilled? Or is that money in the limbo now?
[2017-08-03 23:10] ID=11994 idelo: https://blockchain.info/es/address/3BPgY18BN4uKS1rJZZg5HnX9MD6ZpSJKj9
[2017-08-03 23:10] ID=11995 idelo: This one
[2017-08-03 23:13] ID=11996 RE_ID=11993 DoubleYouSee23: it will either confirm (it does happen with 0 fees sometimes) or it will be returned to him (I can't remeber how long that takes though)
[2017-08-03 23:13] ID=11997 idelo: Thanks!
[2017-08-04 00:12] ID=11998 JuanSGalt: well
[2017-08-04 00:12] ID=11999 JuanSGalt: I just did a tour of popular Bitcoin android wallets
[2017-08-04 00:12] ID=12000 JuanSGalt: airbitz
[2017-08-04 00:13] ID=12001 JuanSGalt: samurai
[2017-08-04 00:13] ID=12002 JuanSGalt: jaxx
[2017-08-04 00:13] ID=12003 JuanSGalt: and man
[2017-08-04 00:13] ID=12004 JuanSGalt: I miss mycelium
[2017-08-04 00:13] ID=12005 JuanSGalt: is mycelium still being supported?
[2017-08-04 00:13] ID=12006 JuanSGalt: there's really nothing like it
[2017-08-04 00:13] ID=12007 BB_Martino: Especially for Trezor
[2017-08-04 00:13] ID=12008 JuanSGalt: and ledger
[2017-08-04 00:13] ID=12009 RE_ID=12005 Rassah: Yes
[2017-08-04 00:16] ID=12011 RE_ID=11999 DoubleYouSee23: Lol, I've done that a few times myself. And I always come back
[2017-08-04 00:37] ID=12012 Ax: Juan S. Galt:\nis mycelium still being supported?\n\nI'm not seeing it. Emailed them 4 days ago and no response.
[2017-08-04 00:39] ID=12013 RE_ID=12011 ZaCkRrr: As much i like mycellium , samourai keep involving ..have you check latest plugin reply protection ?
[2017-08-04 00:40] ID=12014 RE_ID=12013 DoubleYouSee23: sorry, I'm not sure what you mean
[2017-08-04 00:42] ID=12015 Rassah: Reply protection?
[2017-08-04 00:46] ID=12016 ZaCkRrr: http://blog.samouraiwallet.com/post/163673015382/wallet-update-095-aka-fork-off/amp
[2017-08-04 00:51] ID=12017 Rassah: That replay protection seems redundant
[2017-08-04 00:51] ID=12018 ZaCkRrr: please explain
[2017-08-04 00:51] ID=12019 Rassah: There is already replay protection on the chain itself
[2017-08-04 00:52] ID=12020 Rassah: Samorai seems to be doing some strange things
[2017-08-04 00:53] ID=12021 Rassah: Like hiding origin of coins from exchanges by sending them through 5 transactions. Exchanges can just look back 6 transactions.
[2017-08-04 00:54] ID=12022 RE_ID=12021 ZaCkRrr: I disable that...the fee is really high
[2017-08-04 00:55] ID=12023 DoubleYouSee23: I feel like many of their updates are for the masses; people read them and feel secure.
[2017-08-04 00:55] ID=12024 DoubleYouSee23: while everyone who's been around for awhile just wonders why they would do such a thing
[2017-08-04 00:56] ID=12025 RE_ID=12023 ZaCkRrr: Yea perhaps...it is not easy to fight mycellium it seems...but these mycellium ico case really fuck up a lot user trusts...if not settle people will slowly move to other wallet anyhow
[2017-08-04 00:57] ID=12026 RE_ID=12022 Rassah: And it's completely useless. Just an advertising gimmick
[2017-08-04 00:58] ID=12027 RE_ID=12025 DoubleYouSee23: I'm not going to lie, I'm pretty upset about the investment fiasco (poor @rassah has been dealing with me for a long time) but there simply isn't a better wallet out there
[2017-08-04 00:58] ID=12028 RE_ID=12025 Rassah: Yeah, if you screw up your reputation in this market, you're screwed
[2017-08-04 00:58] ID=12029 DoubleYouSee23: I used to use samourai, but they engage in FUD campaigns too often for me to trust their intentions
[2017-08-04 00:59] ID=12030 RE_ID=12029 ZaCkRrr: is that blockstream trolls famous for ? like whalepanda and some bunch snot kids
[2017-08-04 01:01] ID=12031 DoubleYouSee23: they knowingly spread false information about other wallets, and when corrected just shrug it off, then repeat the same lies again and again, just to make themselves SEEM like a superior wallet
[2017-08-04 01:01] ID=12032 DoubleYouSee23: Like this replay proetction thing, or the "shuffling" feature, both of which do nothing, but sound great
[2017-08-04 01:05] ID=12033 ZaCkRrr: But still i amaze with its stealth feature.  ...i can hide my wallet securely ... I dont care if my phone got lost lol
[2017-08-04 01:07] ID=12034 RE_ID=12033 DoubleYouSee23: That is awesome, I had forgotten about that. Or being able to whitelist a phone number, so if your phone gets stolen you can use one specific phone to text your wallet with a passcode and delete it
[2017-08-04 01:07] ID=12035 DoubleYouSee23: Hopefully mycelium appropriates those features in the future
[2017-08-04 03:55] ID=12036 CycleTrading: Can anyone please help here? Or will I just continue to be ignored?
[2017-08-04 03:56] ID=12037 CycleTrading: I need help with importing Mycelium Static Address into Coinomi correctly.
[2017-08-04 03:56] ID=12038 CycleTrading: I only have ability to use seed for HD Address but not Static
[2017-08-04 04:00] ID=12039 CycleTrading: I have been a major proponent of Mycelium but with the general lack of any support at all...I'm about to say fuck Mycelium completely. Support doesn't give a shit...least of all the community who is STILL staying true.
[2017-08-04 04:02] ID=12040 DoubleYouSee23: I dont think we're ignoring you, I just don't think anyone here has the experience with the products you are integrating and can't help
[2017-08-04 04:02] ID=12041 CycleTrading: Mycelium is a wallet and desperately in need of an update BUT if the supporting community is full of a bunch of people who won't lift a finger, it won't last much longer. I guess I'll just stick with Jaxx or Bitcoin.com Wallet...
[2017-08-04 04:03] ID=12042 DoubleYouSee23: try highlighting the wallet you want and clicking the export button
[2017-08-04 04:03] ID=12043 DoubleYouSee23: instead of trying to use the seed
[2017-08-04 04:04] ID=12044 DoubleYouSee23: and if you find a better wallet than mycelium, I'm sure we'd all use it. But as someone who has tried (I believe) every. single. wallet out there, I'm here for a reason
[2017-08-04 04:04] ID=12045 RE_ID=12042 CycleTrading: Do you know that to work?
[2017-08-04 04:05] ID=12046 DoubleYouSee23: no like I said, I do not have experience with what you are trying to do with coinomi
[2017-08-04 04:06] ID=12047 RE_ID=12044 CycleTrading: I get it. I had almost 10 different Wallets installed at one time very recently...lol
[2017-08-04 04:06] ID=12048 Di: Instruction on Myceliym-Coinomi integration was on 2 august, please check
[2017-08-04 04:07] ID=12049 CycleTrading: I have but I don't have additional info...
[2017-08-04 04:07] ID=12050 Di: Adeshina Ajayi:\nSTEPS TO ACCESS BITCOIN CASH FROM MYCELIUM. \n\n1. Download coinnomi from App Store \n2. Click on restore wallet. \n3. Input your mycelium seeds phrase one after the other. \n4.Add coin: Add Bitcoin. \n5. You will be taken to your dashboard where you see your mycelium bitcoin wallet. \n6. Click overview, look down.  You'd see +coin. \n7. Click on +coin.  \n8. Choose Bitcoin cash. \n9. Put Bcc as description and input your password. \n10. Click on advanced settings. \n11. Input : M/44H/0H/0H\n12. Add it. \n\nYour Bitcoin Cash balance will pop up.  \n\nGood day!
[2017-08-04 04:07] ID=12051 CycleTrading: Tried that and nothing...
[2017-08-04 04:08] ID=12052 CycleTrading: I have tried the Mnemonic Tool to convert between different BIP protocols and don't quite understand what to do because of my particular situation
[2017-08-04 04:09] ID=12053 Di: I just made it that way and everything worked fine. The obly thing, is if You have few accounts - You should "Add Coin -> Advanced Settings" and put M/44H/0H/nH - where n is number of Your accoint from 0 to...
[2017-08-04 04:10] ID=12054 Di: You dont need to convert anything in this case, they use tbe same BIP
[2017-08-04 04:10] ID=12055 Di: If Your first account was empty, You will not see BCC on Coinomi
[2017-08-04 04:10] ID=12056 CycleTrading: Honestly, I have looked at sooo much...
[2017-08-04 04:11] ID=12057 Di: Me too, but this instruction works really fine
[2017-08-04 04:11] ID=12058 CycleTrading: I forgot how to import the Static Address. It worked once but I don't remember how to replicate it
[2017-08-04 04:11] ID=12059 Di: You don't need to mess with static adress
[2017-08-04 04:11] ID=12060 Di: Seed ia fine
[2017-08-04 04:12] ID=12061 RE_ID=12055 CycleTrading: It's only empty because I Transferred to my HD Wallet to send my Bitcoin on the Network
[2017-08-04 04:12] ID=12062 Di: Myceliym HD wallet?
[2017-08-04 04:13] ID=12063 CycleTrading: Yeah the Main Wallet...
[2017-08-04 04:13] ID=12064 CycleTrading: Are we using different versions?
[2017-08-04 04:14] ID=12065 CycleTrading: The "Static Addresses" that I have are "Legacy"...
[2017-08-04 04:14] ID=12066 RE_ID=12064 DoubleYouSee23: you should probably mention which version you are using...
[2017-08-04 04:18] ID=12067 CycleTrading: 2.8.12
[2017-08-04 04:18] ID=12068 CycleTrading: The only version available for Android
[2017-08-04 04:24] ID=12069 Di: Why do You need a static adress? 12 words Seed will work fine in this case
[2017-08-04 04:43] ID=12070 RE_ID=12041 Rassah: Please not Jaxx
[2017-08-04 04:44] ID=12071 RE_ID=12050 Rassah: None
[2017-08-04 04:51] ID=12072 RE_ID=12069 CycleTrading: That's where my Bitcoin was.
[2017-08-04 04:51] ID=12073 CycleTrading: Different accounts to separate deposits and activity
[2017-08-04 04:52] ID=12074 RE_ID=12070 CycleTrading: I already use Jaxx. I'm just saying they need to step it up otherwise why stick with Mycelium?
[2017-08-04 07:02] ID=12075 zaephe: None
[2017-08-04 07:05] ID=12076 Rahoos: Am I reading this right, that I could import my Mycelium wallet into Coinnomi to convert the balance to BCH and still have BTC in my Mycelium wallet? Sorry this is such a newbie question, but I haven't been paying any attention to this mess at all.
[2017-08-04 07:09] ID=12077 Rahoos: Does it work because the BCH chain shares the history of the BTC chain up to the first >1MB block, and the BTC chain won't recognize blocks propagated on the BCH chain because they're too big, so you can spend the BTC you had before the fork in the BCH chain and it'll remain unspent on the BTC chain because the BCH block gets rejected by the BTC chain?
[2017-08-04 07:10] ID=12078 BB_Martino: It's more of an "average timestamp" rule combined with two-way replay protection but yes.
[2017-08-04 07:11] ID=12079 BB_Martino: If i understood it correctly bch intentionally creates transactions that the regular bitcoin network rejects and will rejected regular bitcoin transactions after the moment of the fork
[2017-08-04 07:52] ID=12080 Rahoos: Hm. Changelly seems to be down. I'm already using Shapeshift for the first wallet, anybody have any suggestions for the second one?
[2017-08-04 07:55] ID=12081 Rahoos: Oh its not down just slow.
[2017-08-04 08:03] ID=12082 BB_Martino: 5 shapeshift tabs? heh. or hitbtc.
[2017-08-04 15:11] ID=12083 node13: How to export private key from mycelium, for single wallet?
[2017-08-04 17:49] ID=12084 Rassah: Select account, go to menu, select export
[2017-08-04 18:24] ID=12085 RE_ID=12084 node13: There are only master private and public key, I need only one address private key
[2017-08-04 20:35] ID=12086 idelo: Do you know a good paperwallet like those one grabbed in steel? Something not easy to lose
[2017-08-04 21:10] ID=12087 RE_ID=12085 Rassah: Oh, for HD wallets? No support for that. You'll have to use another tool
[2017-08-04 22:48] ID=12088 RE_ID=12074 Dave: @Michael if by "legacy" address you mean just a single address, you need to select the address on the accounts and export the private key. Then you'll need to import that into coinami if they support that.
[2017-08-04 22:53] ID=12089 CycleTrading: Is it BIP 32 or 39 or 44?
[2017-08-04 22:55] ID=12090 Rassah: Mycelium is all of the above
[2017-08-04 23:00] ID=12091 CycleTrading: OK but I already have a private Key for the Single Address. When I backed them up the PDF Mycelium generated gives 2 different QR Code for each address. When I entered it in Coinomi the "Sweep Wallet" is the only thing available to get access to that Address but when I go to Wallet, its not showing the same Receive Address.
[2017-08-04 23:01] ID=12092 Rassah: Can you ask Coinomi instead?
[2017-08-04 23:01] ID=12093 CycleTrading: Also, when I used the method from the thread on Bitcoin Talk to add BitcoinCash, it says I don't have any Coins.
[2017-08-04 23:02] ID=12094 Rassah: Oh, I think the QR codes in that PDF are encrypted using the 16 character code
[2017-08-04 23:02] ID=12095 RE_ID=12094 CycleTrading: How do I Decrypt it?
[2017-08-04 23:02] ID=12096 Rassah: Can you import that QR code into Mycelium?
[2017-08-04 23:03] ID=12097 RE_ID=12096 CycleTrading: I will try when I get home from work.
[2017-08-04 23:03] ID=12098 Rassah: Do you have that account in Mycelium Wallet already?
[2017-08-04 23:04] ID=12099 Rassah: When you create that PDF, Mycelium shows you the decryption code on the screen. That's the only time you see it and you're supposed to write it down
[2017-08-04 23:04] ID=12100 CycleTrading: I tried it recently and now it says that I don't have access because the wallet doesn't contain the Private Keys anymore...I accidentally installed the so the other day.
[2017-08-04 23:05] ID=12101 RE_ID=12099 CycleTrading: I have that.
[2017-08-04 23:05] ID=12102 Rassah: Yeah, the public key is unencrypted. You probably imported the public key only
[2017-08-04 23:07] ID=12103 RE_ID=12102 CycleTrading: Ok. I will try to start over with that part. I will be updating here when I get results either way so can you please keep a keen attention to the Group, thank you.
[2017-08-04 23:08] ID=12104 Rassah: Maybe. I have dinner guests coming over
[2017-08-04 23:08] ID=12105 RE_ID=12104 CycleTrading: Ok. I appreciate your time.
[2017-08-04 23:10] ID=12106 CycleTrading: Is it possible for me to have 2 Private Keys for the HD Address?
[2017-08-04 23:10] ID=12107 CycleTrading: That's what I have now
[2017-08-04 23:11] ID=12108 Rassah: Yes, you just have to import the second HD address from an xpriv QR code
[2017-08-04 23:35] ID=12109 CycleTrading: Why would that be though? My address changed when I received some Bitcoin that shouldn't generate another Private Key right?
[2017-08-04 23:37] ID=12110 CycleTrading: Also, I read somewhere that sending to your own address doesn't cost any fees. Doesn't sound right but is it true?
[2017-08-04 23:38] ID=12111 BB_Martino: Nop.
[2017-08-04 23:39] ID=12112 BB_Martino: For a start, "own address" is nonsense. At best you have access to the privkey, but that doesn't change anything except who gets to spend coins.
[2017-08-04 23:41] ID=12113 BB_Martino: Another possibility: if it's a change address, or an address in your wallet that your wallet knows is "yours" and is to be trusted, it could show you the balance before getting confirmations back. Doesn't make any transactions free or anything like that.
[2017-08-05 02:11] ID=12114 zaephe: So the import on coinomi works, but trying to send out fails..error, try again later?
[2017-08-05 02:21] ID=12115 ZaCkRrr: 
[2017-08-05 02:22] ID=12116 ZaCkRrr: 
[2017-08-05 02:22] ID=12117 RE_ID=12114 ZaCkRrr: My transaction is successful and already dump at bittrex
[2017-08-05 02:23] ID=12118 ZaCkRrr: I guess you did something wrong
[2017-08-05 02:23] ID=12119 zaephe: maybe the server is just down right now
[2017-08-05 02:23] ID=12120 zaephe: could have worked for you earlier
[2017-08-05 02:57] ID=12121 zaephe: I closed the app and restarted and it worked.
[2017-08-05 04:01] ID=12122 CycleTrading: What did you do that worked? I can't get any progress
[2017-08-05 07:25] ID=12123 Ax: I did it last night and was able to exchange the bcc for btc and then transfer back to my mycelium wallet last night.
[2017-08-05 07:26] ID=12124 Ax: I tried to log in and transfer my mycelium across a few times but it didn't work
[2017-08-05 07:27] ID=12125 Ax: But then I realised I wasn't clicking the seed words when they were suggested I was just typing them in. So start typing the word until the correct option comes up and then select it on screen. I had a 3 letter word that I kept fucking up. As soon as I realised I wasn't clicking the words, I was in no issues
[2017-08-05 07:57] ID=12126 ReidAbdKarim: can we see our 12 words phrase in mycelium?
[2017-08-05 08:07] ID=12127 rawavocado: Hello, i have multiple accounts in my mycelium and when i am trying to create back up for them
[2017-08-05 08:07] ID=12128 rawavocado: i get the same 12 words for all of the accouns as i get for the first one
[2017-08-05 08:07] ID=12129 rawavocado: i am using mycelium on android
[2017-08-05 08:19] ID=12130 rawavocado: aparently you have to add more accounts one by one
[2017-08-05 08:47] ID=12131 Ax: You only have one master key for all accounts (12 words)
[2017-08-05 08:50] ID=12132 Ax: You have to add in the additional counts by doing the M/44H/0H/0H thing... That is for your first account, second account M/44H/0H/1H and continue
[2017-08-05 09:11] ID=12133 rawavocado: yup figured that after thanks for the answer
[2017-08-05 09:11] ID=12134 rawavocado: was not that intuitive at first
[2017-08-05 09:11] ID=12135 rawavocado: well maybe for someone like me
[2017-08-05 10:36] ID=12137 Btctrade88: Any problem with Mycelium server ? My celium wallet showing out of sync.
[2017-08-05 11:01] ID=12138 Ax: For a split second i was a bit worried that someone had stolen my bitcoin cause my account balance was zero but after a few seconds it came back... I was scared...
[2017-08-05 11:03] ID=12139 RE_ID=12138 Btctrade88: Having the same problem too.  First time seeing this issue
[2017-08-05 11:05] ID=12140 Ax: I couldn't think of anything worse... To lose coins on a day of such a rally
[2017-08-05 13:39] ID=12141 Rassah: If you have more than $10,000 worth, I recommend a Ledger or a Trezor
[2017-08-05 13:39] ID=12142 Rassah: Cheapest Ledger is about $15 or so I think
[2017-08-05 13:40] ID=12143 RE_ID=12141 Btctrade88: Trezor
[2017-08-05 13:51] ID=12144 Rassah: Or Ledger. I like them both
[2017-08-05 13:54] ID=12145 ImadL: Ledger not in stock
[2017-08-05 13:54] ID=12146 ImadL: I want to buy Trezor... but should I be worried about Trezor 2?
[2017-08-05 13:54] ID=12147 ImadL: I'm afraid that they will drop the developement for Trezor 1 when the Trezor 2 is released on Q4
[2017-08-05 16:33] ID=12148 RE_ID=12147 DoubleYouSee23: T1 will always be supported. T2 is a more experience higher end product with a more plug-in architecture for holding alts
[2017-08-05 16:34] ID=12149 ImadL: 😨
[2017-08-05 16:34] ID=12150 ImadL: so Its not the same userbase?
[2017-08-05 16:34] ID=12151 ImadL: just like Ledger nano S and Ledger Blue?
[2017-08-05 17:16] ID=12152 RE_ID=12147 Rassah: You only need 12 or 24 words, and a way to sign transactions offline. Doesn't really matter what device.
[2017-08-05 17:17] ID=12153 Rassah: I have a Ledger HW.1 or whatever it's called now
[2017-08-05 17:18] ID=12154 RE_ID=12148 AlenaSatoshi: +1
[2017-08-05 17:19] ID=12155 RE_ID=12154 DoubleYouSee23: stalker!
[2017-08-05 17:20] ID=12156 RE_ID=12154 Rassah: I also have a Trezor 😐 It's my main hardware wallet.
[2017-08-05 17:20] ID=12157 AlenaSatoshi: 😎
[2017-08-05 17:21] ID=12158 AlenaSatoshi: I also have a Trezor! :)
[2017-08-05 17:21] ID=12159 RE_ID=12156 DoubleYouSee23: Other than my Computers themselves I don't think I've ever been so attached to a piece of tech
[2017-08-05 17:21] ID=12160 AlenaSatoshi: and Mycelium still, for years, my mobile wallet
[2017-08-05 17:21] ID=12161 RE_ID=12159 AlenaSatoshi: 
[2017-08-05 17:21] ID=12162 RE_ID=12158 DoubleYouSee23: 
[2017-08-05 17:21] ID=12163 AlenaSatoshi: haha
[2017-08-05 17:24] ID=12164 Rassah: Mycelium is still my mobile wallet too
[2017-08-05 17:25] ID=12165 ImadL: Mycelium should get new developers though
[2017-08-05 17:25] ID=12166 ImadL: Its not looking good, Its taking too long to push updates
[2017-08-05 17:47] ID=12167 ???: None
[2017-08-05 19:37] ID=12168 Anomaly: Does trezor perform automatic flash/firmware updates?
[2017-08-05 19:38] ID=12169 RE_ID=12168 sabotagebeats: i think you have to hold both buttons while you plug it in using https://beta-wallet.trezor.io
[2017-08-05 20:34] ID=12170 Rassah: Yeah, it's manual only
[2017-08-06 02:53] ID=12171 RE_ID=11996 JPCrypto: The time will depend of how full is the mining pool at the moment.
[2017-08-06 08:55] ID=12172 KJ: Guys
[2017-08-06 08:55] ID=12173 KJ: Is mycelium down?
[2017-08-06 08:55] ID=12174 KJ: I'm having really weird behavior and a big payment is showing its send but on blockchain it shows differently
[2017-08-06 09:06] ID=12175 RE_ID=12173 DoubleYouSee23: No it's working for me
[2017-08-06 09:25] ID=12176 Bitcoinpromo: If 1btc was worth 1000 dollars as at January 2017, what would be the current worth of 1btc now?\n\n3000 dollars – 9\n👍👍👍👍👍👍👍 35%\n\n🤑Unpredictable🤑 – 6\n👍👍👍👍👍 23%\n\n1200 dollars – 5\n👍👍👍👍 19%\n\n5000 dollars – 4\n👍👍👍 15%\n\n750 dollars – 2\n👍👍 8%\n\n500 dollars\n▫️ 0%\n\n👥 26 people voted so far.
[2017-08-06 09:27] ID=12177 DoubleYouSee23: Lol, so not a prediction market, an IQ test...
[2017-08-06 09:49] ID=12178 KJ: Guys can anyone confirm their mycelium hasn't reversed a bunch of old transactions on Android
[2017-08-06 09:49] ID=12179 KJ: A bunch of people I'm talking to are saying that
[2017-08-06 09:49] ID=12180 KJ: @Rassah ?
[2017-08-06 10:01] ID=12181 DoubleYouSee23: If they were confirmed they can't be reversed. If they were sent with low or no fee then they could have been cancelled, but that takes awhile. Close to 2 weeks without confirmation I believe
[2017-08-06 10:25] ID=12182 RE_ID=12179 ShortFatUglyDumb: Yeah, I had some Mycelium weirdness appear about 6 hours ago. I was just in Myc reviewing a single key account and its tx's, and for some reason it suddenly was allegedly trying to rebroadcast an old tx from a few days ago, and 2 other tx's in the history had some kind of error msg like "unable to connect". BTW, all of the legit versions of these tx's confirmed successfully a few days ago. Anyway, I sorta freaked out, but then realized it wouldn't actually re-send an old tx. Checked the blockchain and all looked fine. Restarted Mycelium and the account looked a-ok. Musta been a temp glitch.
[2017-08-06 10:26] ID=12183 Pepy Ganea: Same here , 2 days ago
[2017-08-06 10:28] ID=12184 thorbjorn: In the last days and this morning I also saw two "unable to rebroadcast" transactions as incoming, but right now everything is looking fine.
[2017-08-06 10:28] ID=12185 thorbjorn: I guess it may have to do with having claimed Bitcoin Cash via Trezor Wallet.
[2017-08-06 10:29] ID=12186 ShortFatUglyDumb: I don't use a Trezor w' my Mycelium, so that's not a cause here.
[2017-08-06 10:30] ID=12187 thorbjorn: And haven't done anything with Bitcoin Cash either?
[2017-08-06 10:35] ID=12188 RE_ID=12187 ShortFatUglyDumb: Actually, the single-key account I had this issue with WAS involved with BCH, but not via splitting or another BCH-compat wallet like Coiinomi. I pushed the entire BTC balance from Myc to an exchange on 31-Jul, the exchange credited me w' cloned BCH on 01-Aug, then I withdrew the original BTC (minus fees) back to the same single-key addr in Myc. Then I traded the BCH left on the exchange for BTC and then withdrew that to Mycelium. So, that account/addr on Mycelium has always been pure BTC or an empty balance and no BCH. My BCH only existed on the exchange via the cloning/airdrop.
[2017-08-06 10:36] ID=12189 thorbjorn: Hmm, ok, so it's a more general problem.
[2017-08-06 10:37] ID=12190 thorbjorn: Smart move to push to an exchange... I had to wait some time before Trezor fixed their claiming tool and then some days for 20 confirmations to happen for Bittrex deposit... meanwhile Bitcoin Cash value kept going down, heh.
[2017-08-06 11:03] ID=12191 crypt0tex: What seem to be the problem with mycelium wallet today?
[2017-08-06 11:03] ID=12192 crypt0tex: Can send a payment
[2017-08-06 11:05] ID=12193 crypt0tex: 
[2017-08-06 11:11] ID=12194 crypt0tex: Some help pls...
[2017-08-06 11:12] ID=12195 ImadL: tried to refresh your wallet?
[2017-08-06 11:20] ID=12196 RE_ID=12195 crypt0tex: U mean restore wallet with back up phrase?
[2017-08-06 11:21] ID=12197 crypt0tex: Or how can I refresh wallet?
[2017-08-06 11:25] ID=12198 RE_ID=12195 crypt0tex: Think I've found a solution thanks
[2017-08-06 11:36] ID=12199 ImadL: Sorry for the late reply
[2017-08-06 11:36] ID=12200 ImadL: I simply meant clicking the refresh button on the top
[2017-08-06 11:36] ID=12201 ImadL: on the balance tab
[2017-08-06 12:04] ID=12202 RE_ID=12087 node13: What tool do you advise?
[2017-08-06 15:56] ID=12203 RE_ID=12178 Rassah: Mine are fine
[2017-08-06 22:28] ID=12204 bigdaddyX: Rassah have you left mycelium? You always seemed too honest to work for those crooks. To all those who bought mycelium tokens, you will never get your money back. As for the money problems with mycelium. Perhaps the 300btc they stole on the Mass.network ico might have helped. Now worth nearly a million dollars. Kuzmin will be held to account. People are angry.
[2017-08-07 09:08] ID=12205 DoubleYouSee23: Sorry for the silly question. But what is the purpose of the address book in mycelium? I would test it out myself but there is a bug right now (the 'add address' button is on the 'business' tab instead of the 'address tab')
[2017-08-07 12:26] ID=12206 Ax: Yeah and pushing the add address button does nothing... It's pointless
[2017-08-07 12:28] ID=12207 jandreske: But that is consistent, at least. Just imagine a button for a part of the wallet actually useful would not work 😜
[2017-08-07 15:15] ID=12208 RE_ID=12205 Rassah: Wow, still?
[2017-08-07 15:15] ID=12209 Rassah: I use the address book to add addresses of places and people I send money to regularly. Like exchanges or purse.
[2017-08-07 17:31] ID=12210 thorbjorn: Richt, like the address for immediate sell on Bitstamp.
[2017-08-07 18:27] ID=12211 DoubleYouSee23: Okay, so it just hold a list of single static addresses? Not an xpub or something?
[2017-08-07 18:36] ID=12213 Rassah: Yes
[2017-08-07 18:46] ID=12214 jandreske: You can import and name an xpub on the accounts tab
[2017-08-07 18:52] ID=12215 RE_ID=12214 DoubleYouSee23: I know,  I do that, that's why I was curious the purpose of the address tab.
[2017-08-07 19:04] ID=12216 jandreske: It wasn't from before there were HD wallets and accounts, and just stayed around.
[2017-08-08 19:25] ID=12217 Bayside: None
[2017-08-08 21:48] ID=12218 John Solano: Rassah, \nBeen a Mycelium user for the longest time.\nEven a 10 MCT holder.\n\nBesides....BTC, ETH, LTC\nwith Mycelium and trezor.\n\nWhat other wallet holds a Variety of other tokens?\nI Just want to get my stuff off the exchanges.
[2017-08-08 21:48] ID=12219 John Solano: I recall hearing JAX is not good.\nCan you remind me why?
[2017-08-08 22:02] ID=12220 Rassah: Development team not that great
[2017-08-08 22:44] ID=12221 RE_ID=12219 theultimatum: Also there are security issues if you link across devices
[2017-08-09 13:20] ID=12222 vitegorov: None
[2017-08-09 20:46] ID=12223 Hagahoonda: does mycellium fill up bip39 addresses in sequential order?
[2017-08-09 20:47] ID=12224 Hagahoonda: i tried using seed in coinomi to get bch
[2017-08-09 20:47] ID=12225 Hagahoonda: no dice
[2017-08-09 20:47] ID=12226 Hagahoonda: then tried loading addresses in one by one
[2017-08-09 20:47] ID=12227 Hagahoonda: cant find any coins there
[2017-08-09 21:09] ID=12228 Hagahoonda: put a 1H at the end and worked
[2017-08-09 21:51] ID=12229 Bahtcoin: What does it change to put 1H at the end ?
[2017-08-09 23:07] ID=12230 BB_Martino: 1 = change address, h = hardened (which I think probably doesn't matter in this case because it was at the end)
[2017-08-10 01:13] ID=12231 ZaCkRrr: It does matter , 1h is not change of address, it is hd account change
[2017-08-10 03:55] ID=12232 Pablodrum: None
[2017-08-10 03:58] ID=12233 Pablodrum: Hola amigos
[2017-08-10 04:03] ID=12234 Pablodrum: Hello friends, mycelium is charging me 30 dollars for a transaction of 0.4 BTC, it is more expensive than a bank, what happens?😭
[2017-08-10 04:10] ID=12235 Rassah: How many inputs does it say it's using?
[2017-08-10 04:11] ID=12236 Pablodrum: 20 inputs 2 outputs
[2017-08-10 04:12] ID=12237 Pablodrum: in this moment shows 69 inputs
[2017-08-10 04:17] ID=12238 Pablodrum: 
[2017-08-10 04:20] ID=12239 ZaCkRrr: you should check charge because commit the transaction...maybe you did use higher fee for fasten transaction
[2017-08-10 04:20] ID=12240 ZaCkRrr: i usually use low fee and everything transfer without problem especially mempool not floating already
[2017-08-10 04:22] ID=12241 DoubleYouSee23: DO NOT DOWNLOAD ATTACHMENTS
[2017-08-10 04:23] ID=12242 DoubleYouSee23: THERE HAVE BEEN VIRUSES BEING SPAMMED AROUND TELEGRAM LATELY
[2017-08-10 04:23] ID=12243 DoubleYouSee23: @Rassah I do believe you should remove this, and ask people not to upload any attachments in your room
[2017-08-10 04:24] ID=12244 DoubleYouSee23: (I may be overly paranoid, but I mod a bunch of crypto rooms and It's getting crazy lately)
[2017-08-10 04:24] ID=12245 RE_ID=12238 DoubleYouSee23: reupload as a compressed image and no one will have to download your file, it will display automagically
[2017-08-10 04:26] ID=12246 Pablodrum: 
[2017-08-10 04:26] ID=12247 Pablodrum: sorry
[2017-08-10 04:27] ID=12248 DoubleYouSee23: it's not you, it's just that I wish you could remove that ability from groups. Sorry to spaz out, it's just that when it become normal to click that little arrow people click without thinking
[2017-08-10 04:28] ID=12249 Pablodrum: It is true
[2017-08-10 04:30] ID=12250 Pablodrum: friends ,How can I contact myceluim technical support? , They do not answer on facebook or tweeter
[2017-08-10 04:32] ID=12251 DoubleYouSee23: I do not know, but may I ask a question about your transaction? was that a bunch of dust from clicking ads or something?
[2017-08-10 04:34] ID=12252 Pablodrum: I do not understand
[2017-08-10 04:34] ID=12253 DoubleYouSee23: I'm trying to figure out why you have so many inputs
[2017-08-10 04:35] ID=12254 DoubleYouSee23: that doesn't look normal
[2017-08-10 04:36] ID=12255 Pablodrum: I made a transaction yesterday for 0.08 BTC the costs were $ 0.94
[2017-08-10 04:36] ID=12256 Pablodrum: Then I tried to make another transaction equal to 0.08 BTC and the cost was 8 dollars, I do not understand what happens
[2017-08-10 04:37] ID=12257 Pablodrum: I was very comfortable with mycelium until this happened
[2017-08-10 04:41] ID=12258 DoubleYouSee23: it has to do with the size of the transaction in bytes, not the amount of money. so 98 sat/byte is pretty cheap, and any wallet would have the same issue
[2017-08-10 04:41] ID=12259 DoubleYouSee23: this isn't mycelium specific (I'm like 98% sure of that)
[2017-08-10 04:41] ID=12260 DoubleYouSee23: I'm still just wondering why you have 69 inputs
[2017-08-10 04:48] ID=12261 Pablodrum: I have no idea\n😢
[2017-08-10 04:50] ID=12262 Pablodrum: I need to make that transaction today, but I do not want to pay such high commissions
[2017-08-10 04:57] ID=12263 AROMACOMPUTERS: If there are 69 inputs, there's 69 fees.\nSo u could move maybe 1/69th of what you're trying to move, for 1 fee.
[2017-08-10 04:58] ID=12264 AROMACOMPUTERS: It's a good idea to "sweep" your wallet and consolidate inputs before you get to 69
[2017-08-10 05:23] ID=12265 RE_ID=12261 thorbjorn: You likely received many small payments. 0.4 btc is quite a lot, so the wallet has to use a lot of small payments to get to that value.
[2017-08-10 05:28] ID=12266 Pablodrum: Thanks friend, is this an official response?
[2017-08-10 05:30] ID=12267 Pablodrum: I think it is an error of the application, a moment ago I charge 80 dollars for the transaction of 0.4 Btc and half an hour later I apply $ 50 for the same transaction
[2017-08-10 05:31] ID=12268 Pablodrum: The cost is constantly changing
[2017-08-10 05:47] ID=12269 Pablodrum: 
[2017-08-10 05:47] ID=12270 Pablodrum: Thats crazy
[2017-08-10 05:49] ID=12271 Pablodrum: 
[2017-08-10 05:53] ID=12272 RE_ID=12238 Rassah: That's why it's so expensive. It's about $0.50 fee per input, and you have 60 of them
[2017-08-10 05:55] ID=12273 Rassah: It's not a bug. The fee changes based on how full each block is before it's confirmed, and for you the fee has to be multiplied by 69 since you have 69 transactions.
[2017-08-10 06:02] ID=12274 Pablodrum: Why do so many transactions appear?
[2017-08-10 06:03] ID=12275 Pablodrum: Yesterday it shows 2 inputs 2 outputs
[2017-08-10 06:07] ID=12276 Rassah: I don't know. You somehow ended up with a lot of small bitcoin pieces
[2017-08-10 06:08] ID=12277 Rassah: If you go to the Accounts tab, select your account, and select Show Unspent Inputs, it will show all the pieces in your account
[2017-08-10 10:16] ID=12278 Bahtcoin: It's sad that we can't define the precise amount in sat/b. In that case it would make sense to put a very low amount and accept to wait maybe for a few hours
[2017-08-10 10:17] ID=12279 Bahtcoin: With the mempool right now even with 20 sat/b, it would take less than 30 blocks to confirm
[2017-08-10 10:20] ID=12280 ZaCkRrr: That is only valid before 1 august but not now...block is full again...not until segwit active
[2017-08-10 10:21] ID=12281 Bahtcoin: http://bitcoinfees.21.co\n\nWe can see here the range for confirmation depending on how much sat/b we put.\n\nFor 20 sat/b, there's 90% chance to confirm within 26 blocks
[2017-08-10 10:22] ID=12282 Bahtcoin: 40 actually ^^ but 25 blocks for 30 sat/b
[2017-08-10 10:58] ID=12283 Williamgreat: None
[2017-08-10 16:21] ID=12284 Pablodrum: 
[2017-08-10 16:22] ID=12285 Pablodrum: Mycelium is no safe 😱
[2017-08-10 16:25] ID=12286 idelo: 
[2017-08-10 16:30] ID=12287 RE_ID=12284 Rassah: Just refresh your account from the menu
[2017-08-10 16:44] ID=12288 Pablodrum: wow, \nWhy did not I think of it before?  😒
[2017-08-10 16:45] ID=12289 Pablodrum: I have mycelium 3 months ago, but a week ago it sucks
[2017-08-10 16:45] ID=12290 idelo: Like August 1st? Hehe
[2017-08-10 16:46] ID=12291 Pablodrum: 
[2017-08-10 16:47] ID=12292 Pablodrum: look that
[2017-08-10 16:47] ID=12293 Pablodrum: 
[2017-08-10 16:47] ID=12294 Pablodrum: 
[2017-08-10 16:47] ID=12295 Pablodrum: 
[2017-08-10 16:48] ID=12296 Pablodrum: Different commissions for the same transaction
[2017-08-10 16:50] ID=12297 ImadL: @Rassah, the SPV wallet is still under developement?
[2017-08-10 16:50] ID=12298 ImadL: the SPV update I mean
[2017-08-10 16:56] ID=12299 RE_ID=12297 Rassah: Yes
[2017-08-10 16:56] ID=12300 Rassah: Perpetually "almost done"
[2017-08-10 16:56] ID=12301 ImadL: An ETA maybe?
[2017-08-10 16:56] ID=12302 Rassah: Two weeks
[2017-08-10 16:57] ID=12303 RE_ID=12296 Rassah: It's weird that a slightly lower transaction is more expensive, but otherwise the fee is right
[2017-08-10 16:57] ID=12304 ImadL: I appreciate the answer :)
[2017-08-10 16:58] ID=12305 RE_ID=12296 Rassah: Check your Unspent Inputs. Do you have a whole lot of tiny amounts?
[2017-08-10 17:03] ID=12306 Pablodrum: 7
[2017-08-10 17:06] ID=12307 thorbjorn: Well you can't have more inputs than unspent outputs...
[2017-08-10 17:08] ID=12308 Rassah: It can't be 7. It's saying you have 69
[2017-08-10 17:09] ID=12309 Rassah: Unless one of those addresses contains 60+
[2017-08-10 17:09] ID=12310 Rassah: Was this money you got paid in lots of tiny amounts?
[2017-08-10 17:21] ID=12311 ZaCkRrr: Maybe faucets
[2017-08-10 17:21] ID=12312 ZaCkRrr: Faucet hunter lol
[2017-08-10 18:05] ID=12313 thorbjorn: Ah, so one address that has received many transactions is a single "unspent output"? I thought it would be multiple.
[2017-08-10 18:59] ID=12314 Rassah: It's multiple
[2017-08-10 18:59] ID=12315 Rassah: Addresses don't really matter, just inputs and outputs
[2017-08-10 19:25] ID=12316 Pablodrum: None
[2017-08-10 19:28] ID=12317 RE_ID=12315 Pablodrum: I receive small daily payments from my multilevel network
[2017-08-10 19:29] ID=12318 Pablodrum: 13 USD daily
[2017-08-10 21:07] ID=12319 Rassah: Each time received needs $0.30 to spend
[2017-08-10 21:08] ID=12320 Maxxsaan: Unless it's going to the same address
[2017-08-10 21:15] ID=12321 Rassah: No, doesn't matter if same or different
[2017-08-10 21:29] ID=12322 RE_ID=12321 Maxxsaan: If it all came into to the same address then there is only one input when respending..
[2017-08-10 21:39] ID=12323 RE_ID=12322 AROMACOMPUTERS: No
[2017-08-10 21:41] ID=12324 Maxxsaan: ...
[2017-08-10 21:44] ID=12325 Rassah: Bitcoin blockchain doesn't even know the concept of addresses. It's all inputs and outputs.
[2017-08-10 21:45] ID=12326 Rassah: Addresses are only derived locally on the wallet. That's why it takes so long for SPV clients to sync. They have to go through and scan every input and output that went to a specific address and sum them up to get your balance.
[2017-08-10 21:50] ID=12327 AROMACOMPUTERS: 100 payments to 1 address =100 inputs.  \nIf it try it send your full balance, this requires using all 100 inputs.  \nEach requires a Miner fee. Not a commision to the wallet company.  But a "Miner fee".  \n\nThis is why sweeping wallets should be done routinely, if I have alot of inputs.\n"Sweeping" a wallet basically means sending everything to 1 new address (that you control too).  This will consolidate all the inputs, to 1 input.  \nThis is because all the previous inputs we're combined as 1 output.\nThis 1 output = 1 input on the new address.
[2017-08-10 21:54] ID=12328 DoubleYouSee23: That just means your paying upfront doesn't it? I don't see how you would pay less fees that way
[2017-08-10 21:57] ID=12329 Rassah: Unfortunately sweeping all addresses into one really messes up privacy. Head basically proves that all these addresses were owned by the same person. I had hoped that we would have been able to finish and implement ShufflePuff (CoinShuffle) to mitigate that somewhat, but unfortunately that never got finished.
[2017-08-10 22:00] ID=12330 Cme: implement ShufflePuff (CoinShuffle)  = MOON!
[2017-08-10 22:01] ID=12331 AROMACOMPUTERS: And a seed wallet that combines inputs from a list of addresses (beyond your control which addresses inputs are combined) doesn't mess up privacy?
[2017-08-10 22:02] ID=12332 AROMACOMPUTERS: Imo can shuffle all day\nIf someone wanted to track it all, they could.  Just makes it harder
[2017-08-10 22:04] ID=12333 AROMACOMPUTERS: And you'll be connecting dots to certainly tainted inputs with yours (assuming youre not engaging in illegal activity)
[2017-08-10 22:05] ID=12334 RE_ID=12328 AROMACOMPUTERS: Basically, but no need to pay priority fee..\nDo it when you can wait
[2017-08-10 22:35] ID=12335 RE_ID=12331 Rassah: Not as much. Typically one address pays one guy, another address pays another, and it's hard to tell which of the payment addresses is going out and which is the change address
[2017-08-10 22:36] ID=12336 AROMACOMPUTERS: Thats a lot of assuming
[2017-08-10 22:36] ID=12337 RE_ID=12333 Rassah: That's good. The point is not total anonymity, it's >50% plausible deniability
[2017-08-11 08:55] ID=12338 luminoir: None
[2017-08-11 09:20] ID=12339 Maxxsaan: Wow hold your horses
[2017-08-11 09:20] ID=12340 Maxxsaan: A lot of assumptions going on here
[2017-08-11 09:21] ID=12341 Maxxsaan: Nobody said anything g about privacy and it also proves exactly FA. For instance I traded a JM wallet that had x amount t of coins for a direct send of x coins. At best it is still all assumptions.
[2017-08-11 09:27] ID=12342 Maxxsaan: Also the fact that I coming payments are  12usd each daily I think consolidations is not exactly unexpected.
[2017-08-11 15:39] ID=12343 Superart: Stupid question.  Can someone explain or link me to an explanation of how to import a paper wallet into mycelium?
[2017-08-11 15:43] ID=12344 Rassah: 🔑+, advanced, scan
[2017-08-11 15:49] ID=12345 Superart: Yep, justt found it.  Is it possible in mycelium to send btc from a single address, but have the miner fee from a different adress?
[2017-08-11 16:00] ID=12346 Rassah: No
[2017-08-11 16:00] ID=12347 Rassah: I'm not sure if that's possible in bitcoin
[2017-08-11 16:01] ID=12348 BB_Martino: Why wouldn't it?
[2017-08-11 16:02] ID=12349 BB_Martino: I know it might not be worth the time to add detailed input choosing but I for one would welcome such a feature and would use it in some cases.
[2017-08-11 16:06] ID=12350 thorbjorn: A transaction just has inputs and outputs. The fee is simply sum of inputs minus sum of outputs. So it doesn't really make sense to think of the fee as coming from any particular address.
[2017-08-11 16:07] ID=12351 Superart: Hmmm.  It's possible to have inputs from multiple addresses I thought?
[2017-08-11 16:16] ID=12352 BB_Martino: Ofc it is -- well not addresses but inputs, but yeah. You can group more, at the end you'll most likely need a change address to send the excess back to anyway. Whatever you don't send to a change address which is in excess is the fee. But it'd still be nice to be able to pick inputs.
[2017-08-11 16:23] ID=12353 thorbjorn: Sure, some wallets allow picking inputs, but I think that has nothing to do with what @Superart asked about, which makes no sense. If you have a single input, then the fee be its value minus the sum of the outputs. You can't have the fee come from another address, since that just means you have two inputs.
[2017-08-11 17:02] ID=12354 RE_ID=12353 Superart: Right. I meant, is it possible to do a multi-input t's from mycelium, where one input is a single-address account, and the other input is an hd account.
[2017-08-11 17:02] ID=12355 Superart: *tx
[2017-08-11 17:03] ID=12356 Superart: Basically, I imported a paper wallet with 1btc, and I want to send that 1btc.
[2017-08-11 17:06] ID=12357 RE_ID=12351 Rassah: Oh, yeah, you're right, oops
[2017-08-12 11:55] ID=12362 Pepy Ganea: How can i access bch from acounts 2-3-4 in mycelium ?
[2017-08-12 12:30] ID=12363 RE_ID=12362 ShortFatUglyDumb: Mycelium doesn't access BCH itself. You'll need a wallet that does handle BCH.
[2017-08-12 15:18] ID=12364 Pepy Ganea: Yeah , i usw coinomi bit a cant access second or third hd accoun from the same master seed
[2017-08-12 15:18] ID=12365 Pepy Ganea: Sorry for my righting ..
[2017-08-12 15:47] ID=12366 RE_ID=12364 ZaCkRrr: See pin post
[2017-08-12 19:35] ID=12367 kiselev2000: None
[2017-08-12 19:40] ID=12368 RE_ID=12205 DoubleYouSee23: Thanks for the bug fix team
[2017-08-12 20:37] ID=12369 CryptoGafty: None
[2017-08-13 20:56] ID=12370 PilotTris: None
[2017-08-13 21:03] ID=12371 PilotTris: Anyone with Jan Dreske's contact info either on IRC/Telegram/wherever? Semi urgent
[2017-08-13 21:11] ID=12372 jandreske: Hey, I am here - shoot me a PM
[2017-08-15 12:19] ID=12373 Wusolini: None
[2017-08-16 06:01] ID=12374 ShortFatUglyDumb: I accidentally sent a low-fee tx in Mycelium that after 1.5 days was still unconfirmed. Just now I used the CPFP feature (my 1st time evr) -- & it confirmed w'in minutes. Sweet! Very cool.
[2017-08-16 18:50] ID=12375 thorbjorn: "3. Input your mycelium seeds phrase one after the other"
[2017-08-16 18:51] ID=12376 thorbjorn: Is there a way to get the seed phrase of an HD Wallet in Mycelium?
[2017-08-16 18:51] ID=12377 Rassah: Backup
[2017-08-16 18:52] ID=12378 thorbjorn: Ah, I was clicking on "Export" before. Will try the Backup button now, thanks!
[2017-08-16 18:55] ID=12379 thorbjorn: Is this recovery phrase BIP39? Coinomi has a checkbox for this that isn't checked by default.
[2017-08-16 18:56] ID=12380 thorbjorn: I guess not, because then it has two input fields.
[2017-08-16 21:10] ID=12381 ethbitsMarketingPR: So can we get a. Real down of names of who spent all the ICO Funds?
[2017-08-17 12:46] ID=12398 TheSatMan: Any news about MT? 😊
[2017-08-17 22:13] ID=12399 RE_ID=12398 ethbitsMarketingPR: Hah that was funny man ;)
[2017-08-17 22:49] ID=12400 RE_ID=12398 hodlon: Lol
[2017-08-17 23:45] ID=12401 df: I'm staying away from the Copay wallet. If you have any coins on there I would move them off when safely possible.
[2017-08-17 23:49] ID=12402 Rassah: Why?
[2017-08-17 23:52] ID=12403 df: It's very likely they are moving to the X2 Segwit Chain.
[2017-08-17 23:52] ID=12404 df: https://twitter.com/BitPay/status/898182956912705537
[2017-08-18 00:16] ID=12405 Rassah: Ah, cool
[2017-08-18 00:55] ID=12406 SJ C: hmm not understanding the implications if they do move to segx2, do co pay user suddenly lose the value of the real bitcoin if they hold in a copay or bitpay wallet?
[2017-08-18 01:43] ID=12407 Rassah: Same as bitcoin cash
[2017-08-18 09:09] ID=12408 RE_ID=12379 jandreske: Myceliums backup is bip39 (and bip32 and bip44) but it hast a blank password by default (unless you created your wallet by choosing "restore backup" and did input a passphrase).
[2017-08-18 10:24] ID=12409 thorbjorn: OK, thanks for clearing that up.
[2017-08-19 20:25] ID=12411 Chad: Whats a good price for 1 MT in BTC that might get picked up quickly in Bisq?
[2017-08-19 20:28] ID=12412 Chad: Ive sat on it from the ico, with no complaints, but nothing seems to be happenning.
[2017-08-19 21:46] ID=12413 ChrisB17: 
[2017-08-19 21:46] ID=12414 ChrisB17: 
[2017-08-19 21:53] ID=12415 Chad: Nice, Im serious though, Im willing to trade it through bitsquare, and have no where to ask anyone (except here), cause theyre the only one who trades it, (with less than 3 btc volume)  Seriously, am I the only one who might want to trade?  Or is just because it trades almost no where.  Or, alternatively, give me some good news that might renew my enthusiasm for Mycellium wallet!
[2017-08-19 22:01] ID=12416 thorbjorn: There isn't really any good news, and most of us have probably written off their MTs as a total loss. And without a convenient exchange it's probably just too much of a hassle for the little money somebody may still pay for it.
[2017-08-19 22:26] ID=12417 Chad: Thanks for your honesty. I appreciate it.  Ill linger for a bit in case anyone has anything interesting to say.  Thanks again!
[2017-08-19 23:58] ID=12418 ChrisB17: 
[2017-08-21 23:32] ID=12423 adamvp: 
[2017-08-21 23:48] ID=12424 StefanoProxy: None
[2017-08-22 00:08] ID=12425 Rassah: That graphic is highly inaccurate
[2017-08-22 00:08] ID=12426 DoubleYouSee23: Must be some altcoin
[2017-08-22 02:29] ID=12427 df: Anyone want to hear a story?
[2017-08-22 02:36] ID=12428 df: One of my theories on who Satoshi Nakamoto is, he is a fast food worker with multiple personality disorder. One day around the time of the WikiLeaks Bitcoin story a coworker said something negative that caused him to loose the Satoshi personality or stay stuck in the fast food worker personality.
[2017-08-22 02:48] ID=12429 DoubleYouSee23: Poor toshi
[2017-08-22 02:50] ID=12430 RE_ID=12425 hodlon: Implies MT was ever openly traded in the 1st place.
[2017-08-22 03:00] ID=12431 John Solano: I have 10 MTs.\nI'm keeping the faith.\n\nHow much we pay for those back then?\n1 BTC each I think
[2017-08-22 03:12] ID=12432 hodlon: Yes 1 BTC. You have no choice but to keep the faith at this pt. HODL on my friend.
[2017-08-22 04:30] ID=12433 KJ: Does anyone know if you can sign a message for mycelium iOS?
[2017-08-22 04:31] ID=12434 KJ: Or is it just an android feature
[2017-08-22 04:31] ID=12435 Rassah: Just Android
[2017-08-22 15:47] ID=12439 jandreske: Are servers stuck / out of sync?
[2017-08-23 01:23] ID=12440 Penlop: Myceloum trading function really messed up right now. The amounts did not match up. Sellers screen said to give about 1% less and buyers screen said they would receive about 1% more bitcoin. The difference should have been in the other direction. Last time I dealt w this person the app froze the transaction and I had to do it manually. This time I notes the discrepancy and did it manually from the get go. Really rocked my faith in the app!!!!!
[2017-08-25 00:17] ID=12446 mdeneen: None
[2017-08-25 00:18] ID=12447 mdeneen: The ssl cert on news.wallet.mycelium.org has expired. It's letsencrypt and should be easy to renew. For free.
[2017-08-25 00:18] ID=12448 mdeneen: Er... news.wallet.mycelium.com
[2017-08-25 01:25] ID=12449 Max: None
[2017-08-25 01:38] ID=12450 Max: In case you haven't heard of it: The RMC (Russian Miner Coin) will be buyable on Mycelium and nowhere else.\n\nThis is not an advertisment. I'm actually conserned this might be a scam. Have you got any infos for me?
[2017-08-25 01:40] ID=12451 Max: 
[2017-08-25 01:41] ID=12452 Rassah: I don't
[2017-08-25 01:41] ID=12453 Max: This function is not enabled yet, in case you are wondering
[2017-08-25 01:42] ID=12454 Max: Do the developers of mycelium respond in the Telegramm group?
[2017-08-25 01:42] ID=12455 Max: ICO launches in like 2 days
[2017-08-25 01:44] ID=12456 Max: I'm glad for any information I can get. Even if you say you never heard of it! (Thanks Rassah ;))
[2017-08-25 02:53] ID=12457 df: My current job is cutting our hours.   \n:( Anyone know of places looking for tech support workers that pays $12.00 or more a hour?
[2017-08-25 02:54] ID=12458 df: I been with the same company for 5 years. I'm also good at fixing computer and arcade games.
[2017-08-25 02:56] ID=12459 RE_ID=12457 idelo: Where?
[2017-08-25 02:57] ID=12460 RE_ID=12459 df: Sacramento California area.
[2017-08-25 03:03] ID=12461 df: I don't have family. So I can move around the state no problem. Maybe even out of state If I made enough to visit my friends in the bay once a month.
[2017-08-25 03:06] ID=12462 Rassah: Why tech support?
[2017-08-25 03:19] ID=12463 Sam I Am: None
[2017-08-25 03:29] ID=12464 RE_ID=12462 df: I think it would be something I'm good at?
[2017-08-25 03:33] ID=12465 df: I like trouble shooting alot
[2017-08-25 06:30] ID=12466 jandreske: I know a bitcoin company in Vienna looking for someone doing support 😉
[2017-08-25 09:02] ID=12468 jandreske: I always forget I am not a moderator here and attempt to delete and ban...
[2017-08-25 09:03] ID=12469 RE_ID=12468 AROMACOMPUTERS: Lol
[2017-08-25 10:22] ID=12471 RE_ID=12468 Rassah: That's fixed
[2017-08-25 10:24] ID=12472 jandreske: Oh, thanks!
[2017-08-26 05:21] ID=12473 Transisto: When is Mycelium going to support Segwit ?
[2017-08-26 11:08] ID=12474 arottma: None
[2017-08-26 11:10] ID=12475 RE_ID=12473 arottma: 👍
[2017-08-26 11:33] ID=12476 Rassah: "Eventually?"
[2017-08-26 11:39] ID=12477 ImadL: How is the "2 weeks eta" 😨
[2017-08-26 11:39] ID=12478 ImadL: for SPV wallet update?
[2017-08-26 19:49] ID=12479 RE_ID=12412 ethbitsMarketingPR: Lol. Othing is happening you are screwed and your money is spent
[2017-08-27 20:20] ID=12481 ???: None
[2017-08-28 00:49] ID=12482 Rassah: Apparently Mycelium Token support is finally available in the wallet
[2017-08-28 01:35] ID=12483 sec ond: Where? Cannot find it
[2017-08-28 01:40] ID=12484 Rassah: Update
[2017-08-28 04:51] ID=12485 sec ond: Cannot find the icon
[2017-08-28 07:53] ID=12486 Gladpack: Add new account and you'll find MT
[2017-08-28 08:08] ID=12487 Gladpack: I just tried sending some MT from Colu to Mycelium. It's currently confirming. I wonder what miner fee Colu is using. It might never confirm if it's too low. Pressing View Details for the transaction in Mycelium crashes the app :(
[2017-08-28 08:22] ID=12488 thorbjorn: Many months ago, when I was trading some MT on Colu, the transactions could take days or be lost entirely. But they increased the fee substantially since then.
[2017-08-28 08:39] ID=12489 sec ond: How can I get my token as I not yet claim it before. It should still in mycelium ico account
[2017-08-28 08:44] ID=12490 sabotagebeats: cool
[2017-08-28 09:30] ID=12491 bilbma: What is RMC? Why  i have always problema with colu login?
[2017-08-28 09:34] ID=12492 ImadL: RMC is Russian Miner Coin (whatever that is)
[2017-08-28 09:55] ID=12493 alloffmyhate: :/ like token
[2017-08-28 10:05] ID=12494 RE_ID=12492 bilbma: Thanks
[2017-08-28 10:05] ID=12495 ImadL: 👍
[2017-08-28 11:13] ID=12496 Strayt: Finally i can sent my mt from colu to my mycelium wallet......... and the mt have now disappeared from my colu wallet. Its like the never existed. Not history of them. Wtf?????
[2017-08-28 11:28] ID=12497 Strayt: May a well write the mt scam token off. Plenty more scam tokens available though. Wtf is rmc..... russian scam coin!!!
[2017-08-28 11:29] ID=12498 Ax: Hi guys, can anyone tell me how to resync my mycelium wallet after I have moved my bch to coinomi... I have been  sending all transactions from my mycelium wallet for weeks aware that if I did it for coinomi it would spend the whole value, but not thinking I just let a mate transfer some btc from my coinomi and now the wallet isn't synced and I can't access the additional balance ... Thanks in advance
[2017-08-28 11:30] ID=12499 Ax: Tried to google and search the forum, can't find the link, the top reddit comment is about issues with mycelium itself, not specific to what I have done
[2017-08-28 11:35] ID=12500 Strayt: I've messaged colu. Ill report back as to whether or not i get my mt back. Has anyone else had their mt disappear from their colu account?
[2017-08-28 12:40] ID=12501 bilbma: I can not log into my colu account. How to trasnfer  my mt from my colu address.
[2017-08-28 13:11] ID=12502 RE_ID=12501 thorbjorn: Of course you first need to log into your Colu account. Why can't you?
[2017-08-28 13:17] ID=12504 RE_ID=12498 Rassah: There should be a Reload option somewhere. Probably in the menu when you go into the transactions tab
[2017-08-28 13:20] ID=12505 Ax: Rassah:\nThere should be a Reload option somewhere. Probably in the menu when you go into the transactions tab\n\nOk thanks, I did that but wasn't sure if it would fix the error. I will try again and see if I can send a transaction again
[2017-08-28 13:25] ID=12506 RE_ID=12502 bilbma: 
[2017-08-28 13:26] ID=12507 RE_ID=12506 thorbjorn: Hmm, so you are already logged in. What page are you trying to see? You should try to visit your dashboard.
[2017-08-28 13:28] ID=12508 thorbjorn: So https://dashboard.colu.co/login
[2017-08-28 14:57] ID=12509 DoubleYouSee23: I am now holding MT in mycelium! Huge step forward, thanks for the work guys!
[2017-08-28 14:59] ID=12510 RE_ID=12509 wksantiago: Indeed "Huge step forward, thanks for the work guys!"
[2017-08-28 16:28] ID=12511 ImadL: Rassah, I know you are no longer with the team
[2017-08-28 16:28] ID=12512 ImadL: but any updates regarding SPV wallet ?
[2017-08-28 17:14] ID=12513 JokerCoin: None
[2017-08-28 18:43] ID=12514 Giszmo: @ImadL the colored coin had top priority recently and I assume we will have to fix many bugs now. 2 devs are working on SPV and I will work on SPV, too, as soon as I this CC release stabilizes.
[2017-08-28 19:01] ID=12515 KJ: Can the colored coins be restored with our seed ?
[2017-08-28 19:01] ID=12516 KJ: 12 words
[2017-08-28 19:05] ID=12517 KJ: It says verify the backup with the master seed qr or private key . Don't have any of those. Just my seed..my coins are on colu.co
[2017-08-28 19:10] ID=12518 Giszmo: in the wallet, colored coins tokens can only be managed with detached single address accounts not covered by a BI39 masterseed.
[2017-08-28 21:47] ID=12521 Gladpack: I made a MT transaction from Colu to Mycelium earlier today and it was listed in the transactions tab waiting for confirmation but now it's gone and the wallet has 0 MT. No transaction history :(
[2017-08-28 22:34] ID=12522 xElvis89x: None
[2017-08-29 01:16] ID=12523 RE_ID=12451 rodomonte: i dont get this, what's that? related to this https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/6wicyh/buy_russian_mining_coin_on_main_page_of_mycelium/
[2017-08-29 01:18] ID=12524 Max: Russian Miner Coin. After some research I conclude that the project is legit. \nWebsite: rmc.one
[2017-08-29 01:19] ID=12525 sec ond: who will buy after the mycelium token
[2017-08-29 01:23] ID=12526 Max: Not sure why it is on Mycelium, but the project is decent.\nIt's a cloud mining service with a twist: You gain Bitcoin for holding the Russian Mining Coin (RMC) and in a year you can trade it for a revolutionary Altcoin miner
[2017-08-29 03:55] ID=12527 Rassah: It's looks like it's from some other company, not Mycelium
[2017-08-29 03:58] ID=12528 DoubleYouSee23: The other ads can be turned on or off in the menu but this one can't,  bug or feature?
[2017-08-29 04:51] ID=12529 mishax1: 
[2017-08-29 04:51] ID=12530 mishax1: Mycelium WTF?
[2017-08-29 05:17] ID=12531 BlockchainyCriptos: None
[2017-08-29 06:36] ID=12532 ImadL: Probably no funding lol
[2017-08-29 06:37] ID=12533 ImadL: so they are advertising
[2017-08-29 07:41] ID=12534 whalehunting: this is unbelievable
[2017-08-29 07:41] ID=12535 whalehunting: do you guys know a alternative with ledger support?
[2017-08-29 07:41] ID=12536 whalehunting: + segwit if possible
[2017-08-29 08:13] ID=12537 RE_ID=12521 Strayt: My mt have disappeared from the colu dashboard. I am in contact with support and they tell me that they no longer support the dashboard. Fees must be to high to send assets so they just abandoned all the assets under their charge. The btc blockchain is a joke. Unusable now.
[2017-08-29 08:15] ID=12538 Gladpack: Did we also get MT Cash on the Bitcoin Cash fork? ;)
[2017-08-29 09:31] ID=12539 RE_ID=12537 mishax1: Use litecoin
[2017-08-29 12:26] ID=12540 RE_ID=12508 bilbma: Thanks,ive got it👍
[2017-08-29 13:30] ID=12541 nelsonm: None
[2017-08-29 14:06] ID=12542 RE_ID=12537 DoubleYouSee23: that sucks. Thankfully my transaction went smoothly...
[2017-08-29 18:14] ID=12543 Anomaly: How many app updates in the Play Store have there been in the past few days? I'm asking for security reasons. Thanks
[2017-08-29 18:14] ID=12544 Rassah: Two
[2017-08-29 19:53] ID=12545 RE_ID=12544 Anomaly: Counting the last update today?
[2017-08-29 20:54] ID=12546 Transisto: Can we import segwit XPUB to mycelium ?
[2017-08-29 20:57] ID=12547 Transisto: look like it's possible but the address derived are not Segwit, not sure what would happen to those finds
[2017-08-29 20:57] ID=12548 Transisto: funds
[2017-08-29 21:01] ID=12549 Transisto: answer, you'd have to derive xpriv 49'/0'/0'/0/0
[2017-08-29 21:08] ID=12551 RE_ID=12543 Transisto: I woulnd't be updating mycelium if I were you, unless it's an emergency security update.
[2017-08-29 21:25] ID=12552 RE_ID=12545 Rassah: I guess three
[2017-08-29 21:26] ID=12553 Rassah: The update that added MT support was pushed, and Leo is fixing bugs now, so there are new updates constantly
[2017-08-29 21:53] ID=12554 painlord2k: Is this the reason I'm unable to spend my BTcs?
[2017-08-29 21:54] ID=12555 painlord2k: I'm importing a private key, it see the coins (double checked with Blockchain.info amount is right) then it says "network rejected transaction. your wallet is out of synch"
[2017-08-29 22:24] ID=12556 painlord2k: Rebooted my Android phone\n\nInterestingly enough, it didn't like a plain private key\nor maybe\nMycelium did the transaction as instructed, but didn't showed it up in the interface immediately\n\nBut latert it accepted a Mycelium encrypted backup of a private key (after password was provided, of course)\nand it showed up the transaction.
[2017-08-29 22:24] ID=12557 painlord2k: Now the transaction confirmed, so it is well what end well.
[2017-08-29 23:50] ID=12558 RE_ID=12542 Strayt: How did it go smooth if colu no longer supports the dashboard?\nI suspect they just abandoned mt token dashboard support as they dont want to have to pay $10 out of their own pockets to tx a worthless tokem. I was hoping i could at least hold my worthless mt on my mycelium wallet for the 0.8 btc i wasted on this rubbish. The btc blockchain is so trashed now this would have been the only reason i use the mycelium wallet as i no longer hold btc as its so slow and expensive. Btc is a joke. Cant wait until its sorted out one way or another.
[2017-08-29 23:55] ID=12559 franull: 
[2017-08-30 00:02] ID=12561 Strayt: Btc
[2017-08-30 00:03] ID=12562 Strayt: https://giphy.com/gifs/explosion-rocket-rocketsrocket-hEqvaveGuBUje
[2017-08-30 00:07] ID=12563 Strayt: Colu support is no longer responding to me either as they dont want to admit they lost my asset when they stopped supporting the dashboard.   \nWhat service do they provide if they cant secure assets? Another btc shitshow.... colored coins lol.... to expensive to transact and no way for the holder to pay fees. Like strapping an engine on a horse and cart. Wtf
[2017-08-30 00:52] ID=12564 Rassah: Did you have a backup by any chance?
[2017-08-30 01:39] ID=12565 Strayt: Yes i backed up my colu key and password. Great help that was. Secured that trash all this time for nothing. Centralised failures undermining a decentralised system.
[2017-08-30 01:40] ID=12566 Strayt: Pretty standard for btc at present. Centralised failures undermining a decentralised system.
[2017-08-30 01:46] ID=12567 lomacks: None
[2017-08-30 01:47] ID=12568 lomacks: Hey, anyone know if BIP49 (SegWit HD wallet support) is being added to Mycelium any time soon? (Want to use it with Trezor on Android; Trezor's beta wallet uses BIP49 by default for all wallets now)
[2017-08-30 01:56] ID=12569 Rassah: It'll be out with BitcoinJ support, but no idea when that will be available
[2017-08-30 02:00] ID=12570 RE_ID=12558 DoubleYouSee23: I dunno, it just worked. Logged in to colu and transferred my tokens.
[2017-08-30 02:13] ID=12571 Vaska: None
[2017-08-30 03:47] ID=12572 dvbtc: None
[2017-08-30 08:09] ID=12575 Strayt: Okay i finally figured out how to get my mt. I went into setting in the colu dashboard and rescanned the blockchain. Have now sent to mycelium. Sorry to the group for my bad behaviour.
[2017-08-30 11:01] ID=12576 rudyrd_kiplin: None
[2017-08-31 07:56] ID=12578 Transisto: http://reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/6wy5nx/bitcoin_is_not_broken_wallets_are_the_most/
[2017-08-31 13:09] ID=12579 thecryptofiend: Do we just send MDT (mycelium tokens) to the Bitcoin address of our mycelium wallet or do we need to do something else?
[2017-08-31 13:28] ID=12580 Transisto: First mobile wallet to support segwit would have gained a lot of users.
[2017-08-31 13:28] ID=12581 RE_ID=12579 Rassah: You need to add a Mycelium Token account
[2017-08-31 13:29] ID=12582 Transisto: I missed mycelium statement about segwit ETA, can someone send the link?
[2017-08-31 13:29] ID=12583 Rassah: Statement? I missed it too
[2017-08-31 13:41] ID=12584 jandreske: Isn't the ETA for any given feature always in two weeks?
[2017-08-31 13:42] ID=12585 Rassah: That's actually what I've been told about SPV for... A while :(
[2017-08-31 13:44] ID=12586 thecryptofiend: @Rassah How do we add the MDT account - is there a guide?
[2017-08-31 13:45] ID=12587 jandreske: Go to accounts tab
[2017-08-31 13:45] ID=12588 jandreske: Hit plus key icon
[2017-08-31 13:45] ID=12589 jandreske: Select colored coins account
[2017-08-31 13:45] ID=12590 jandreske: Select Mycelium Tokens
[2017-08-31 13:47] ID=12591 Rassah: ^ This
[2017-08-31 13:47] ID=12592 thecryptofiend: @jandreske Thanks that's what I have been trying but I can't see any option to select Colored Coins - it only allows me to create a bitcoin account.
[2017-08-31 13:47] ID=12593 jandreske: 
[2017-08-31 13:48] ID=12594 jandreske: If you dont have the button you see on the bottom of my screenshot, maybe you are not running the latest version?
[2017-08-31 13:50] ID=12595 thecryptofiend: No I'm not seeing that at all.  I'm running the lastest version from the Apple app store and my screen looks like this:
[2017-08-31 13:50] ID=12596 thecryptofiend: 
[2017-08-31 13:51] ID=12597 jandreske: Ah, sorry, the iOS version is missing a gazillion features.
[2017-08-31 13:51] ID=12598 Rassah: Oh, um, iOS is crap and isn't supported, sorry
[2017-08-31 13:51] ID=12599 thecryptofiend: When I click on accounts I get another white screen and there are no options for colored coins. OK.  Am I OK just keeping the MDT in the Colu wallet then?
[2017-08-31 13:51] ID=12600 Rassah: There isn't even an iOS developer on staff from what I recall
[2017-08-31 13:52] ID=12601 jandreske: Yeah, I guess Colu or getting an Android are the options.
[2017-08-31 13:52] ID=12602 thecryptofiend: Right I was just concerned because someone was saying that Colu had stopped working but seems to work fine for me.  I will just keep it there.
[2017-08-31 13:52] ID=12603 jandreske: Not that I feel it does matter at all whether you have Mycelium Token or where you have them 😜
[2017-08-31 13:53] ID=12604 thecryptofiend: True but there is always hope I suppose that something will come of them!
[2017-08-31 13:55] ID=12605 Rassah: Just make sure you have a backup somewhere
[2017-08-31 13:59] ID=12606 thecryptofiend: I always do.  With Colu the only option is to backup your private key but if they stop supporting MDT one would need an alternative wallet that supported it to import the private key into.
[2017-08-31 16:31] ID=12607 Ivek66: Dear Mycelium - Segwit should be enabled asap. Thnx
[2017-08-31 16:32] ID=12608 Ivek66: Do we have date for Segwit support?
[2017-08-31 16:43] ID=12609 jandreske: Trezor just released segwit Support.
[2017-08-31 16:46] ID=12610 DanielWeigl: But it wont work on trezor+mycelium out of the box
[2017-08-31 16:46] ID=12611 TheSatMan: Is lightning network activated on Litecoin?
[2017-08-31 16:56] ID=12612 RE_ID=12610 jandreske: Yeah, I meant to say "there are options out there already, adding segwit support is now a question of keeping up with other wallets". 😊
[2017-08-31 17:13] ID=12613 DanielWeigl: yeah, just wanted to clarify, not to get wrong expectations. Also be aware, if you use wallet.trezor.io to move your coins to segwit addresses (which you should, imo), you wont be able to use your trezor via mycelium anymore, bec. it currently does not recognize them
[2017-08-31 17:26] ID=12614 BB_Martino: aww :(
[2017-09-01 02:53] ID=12615 Myeveryday_digitalfinance: None
[2017-09-01 10:27] ID=12616 robydelo: I need an info about the app "Mycelium Testnet Wallet" (avaiable from Google Play). Is it really developed by Mycelium company ? Or it's a fake ? Thanks.
[2017-09-01 14:24] ID=12617 jandreske: There is a real legit testnet version of mycelium, yes. It operates on the Bitcoin testnet and you can send and receive worthless testnet coins.
[2017-09-01 14:25] ID=12618 jandreske: Why are you asking about a fake, anything specific you are worried about?
[2017-09-01 15:18] ID=12619 RE_ID=12543 Giszmo: It's been 6 or 7 updates with the colored coins tokens. Sorry for the noise. It was quite a big change. The updates after the first one were all minor stuff. you can see it on our github, too. Oh, I might have forgotten to push the 290207 to github. I will do that now.
[2017-09-01 15:20] ID=12620 RE_ID=12551 Giszmo: If you did updated to a colored coins version, then any subsequent updates are strictly bugfixes so far.
[2017-09-01 15:25] ID=12621 RE_ID=12579 Giszmo: You have to create a MT account but if you did what you said, not all is lost. You could still import the private key as a MT account.
[2017-09-01 15:59] ID=12622 KJ: Can someone explain where to find the private key for my colu tokens
[2017-09-01 15:59] ID=12623 KJ: I'd like to import them to mycelium just want to make sure there's a back up of the private key before I actually send them over
[2017-09-01 20:02] ID=12624 DoubleYouSee23: Looks like the newest update broke MT support. Wallet shows up as empty
[2017-09-01 20:30] ID=12625 Ivek66: Rmc as well
[2017-09-01 20:30] ID=12626 Ivek66: Yo devs... Colu is broken....
[2017-09-01 23:01] ID=12627 SJ C: mycelium is broke
[2017-09-01 23:01] ID=12628 WladH: None
[2017-09-02 04:44] ID=12629 Taiwo_2: None
[2017-09-02 04:44] ID=12630 Taiwo_2: Hi
[2017-09-02 05:10] ID=12631 sec ond: all my firends drop mycelium and goto coinomi beacuse they need claim the bitcoin cash. Mycelium is too slow
[2017-09-02 05:58] ID=12632 Gladpack: Yes, me too but I keep Mycelium for the Trezor support
[2017-09-02 06:02] ID=12633 arottma: Mycelium don't have SegWit Trezor support
[2017-09-02 06:03] ID=12634 Gladpack: I added a MT account and got two accounts with the same address. One with the Mycelium like logo and one with a key logo. And this seems to have broken the total amount at the bottom. It doesn't currently display anything.
[2017-09-02 06:03] ID=12635 DoubleYouSee23: An update today broke the colu support
[2017-09-02 06:04] ID=12636 DoubleYouSee23: I'm pretty sure there are supposed to be two accounts though, one for the tokens,  and one for depositing dividends
[2017-09-02 06:07] ID=12637 Rassah: Uh, dividends?
[2017-09-02 06:31] ID=12638 DoubleYouSee23: whatever you want to call it. we were supposed o be piad when mycelium became profitable
[2017-09-02 11:42] ID=12639 yanez72: The next step is listing MT on some big exchange
[2017-09-02 12:42] ID=12640 bigs21024: Can you add mycelium tokens to wallet yet
[2017-09-02 12:42] ID=12641 bigs21024: Yeah not much promise or money on MT
[2017-09-02 13:54] ID=12642 RE_ID=12638 Rassah: I think that was planned to be done to your own address, not a side MT one, but I'm not sure
[2017-09-02 14:56] ID=12643 suppabro: None
[2017-09-02 15:06] ID=12644 wildamo: None
[2017-09-02 17:31] ID=12648 Transisto: So someone is supposed to delete that crap
[2017-09-02 17:32] ID=12649 Transisto: Who's representing mycelium here?
[2017-09-02 18:30] ID=12650 thecryptofiend: Can't imagine any major exchange will list MT due to the SEC rulings of late.
[2017-09-02 19:32] ID=12651 jandreske: I can delete crap when I happen to see it. I am not representing mycelium, though.
[2017-09-03 07:04] ID=12656 Frankffm17: @rassah do you plan a new token sale? To go to exchange ?
[2017-09-03 08:09] ID=12657 AROMACOMPUTERS: Oh, I don't want to be associated with MT :(
[2017-09-03 08:11] ID=12658 AROMACOMPUTERS: Has 1 dev said 1 thing in here\nThat's what is disappointing to me now that Rassah went and got a job that actualy pays him.
[2017-09-03 10:48] ID=12662 RE_ID=12658 jandreske: Yes, Leo is a dev who is sometimes writing in here.
[2017-09-03 13:27] ID=12663 Rassah: I didn't go and get a job that pays me. I'm trying to earn on my own through my own business. Still waiting for the first payment.
[2017-09-03 13:33] ID=12664 RE_ID=12663 Valen_tin: 👍
[2017-09-03 13:33] ID=12665 Valen_tin: You deserve that after what you had to go through with Mycelium
[2017-09-03 13:34] ID=12666 Rassah: I didn't go through bad things. I liked working there and I still like and kind of support the company. Hope they get to their goals anyway
[2017-09-03 13:42] ID=12667 DoubleYouSee23: getting MT working in the wallet was a major step forward IMO
[2017-09-03 14:20] ID=12668 Rassah: That was supposed to have been done in August of last year...
[2017-09-03 14:39] ID=12669 ViTo: None
[2017-09-03 15:33] ID=12670 chrisguida: Is there any way to set a custom fee in Mycelium Android? Even the "low priority" fee is way too high right now...
[2017-09-03 15:37] ID=12671 jandreske: No, not possible
[2017-09-03 15:40] ID=12672 RE_ID=12671 chrisguida: Does anyone here know of a mobile wallet that implements fees properly?
[2017-09-03 15:53] ID=12673 dimitrr: This is getting ridiculous, 3 inputs 1 output tx fee 10 EUR on Mycelium
[2017-09-03 16:58] ID=12674 Rassah: 3 x $2 per input sounds about right. Low priority, right?
[2017-09-03 17:01] ID=12675 Maxxsaan: Ehh
[2017-09-03 17:01] ID=12676 Maxxsaan: Check the mempool
[2017-09-03 17:01] ID=12677 Maxxsaan: Sounds too higb
[2017-09-03 17:04] ID=12678 RE_ID=12673 nelsonm: How many sat/bytes ?
[2017-09-03 17:05] ID=12679 dimitrr: around 400-500 as far as i remember
[2017-09-03 17:07] ID=12680 nelsonm: Do you have a reference to the transaction ?
[2017-09-04 01:13] ID=12681 wksantiago: Anyone knows when Mycelium will support Segwit address?  @Rassah 😊
[2017-09-04 01:41] ID=12682 RE_ID=12681 Rassah: No idea
[2017-09-04 01:44] ID=12683 RE_ID=12682 wksantiago: Thanks
[2017-09-04 02:26] ID=12684 RE_ID=12683 Rassah: Sorry, not working there anymore
[2017-09-04 02:28] ID=12685 wksantiago: You are a great asset to the community
[2017-09-04 02:29] ID=12686 Rassah: Thanks! I hope to remain one
[2017-09-04 03:04] ID=12687 RE_ID=12685 ShortFatUglyDumb: Agreed.
[2017-09-04 10:56] ID=12688 Gregg_aua: None
[2017-09-04 11:11] ID=12689 RE_ID=12684 arottma: ...and somebody here there is working at?
[2017-09-04 11:49] ID=12690 RE_ID=12689 nelsonm: Yes
[2017-09-04 11:54] ID=12691 RE_ID=12690 arottma: You know when Mycelium will support Segwit address?
[2017-09-04 12:03] ID=12692 RE_ID=12691 nelsonm: I can't tell you when right now.
[2017-09-04 12:04] ID=12693 arottma: in this year ?
[2017-09-04 13:13] ID=12694 RE_ID=12690 jandreske: What is your role at mycelium?
[2017-09-04 13:13] ID=12695 RE_ID=12694 nelsonm: I work on the Android Wallet.
[2017-09-04 13:15] ID=12696 jandreske: If I may ask: when did you start? How big is the dev team now? You and Leo? Is Constantin still around?
[2017-09-04 13:22] ID=12697 nelsonm: To be honest I'm not here to talk about plans or administrative/managerial stuff of the company. More to connect with the community, listen to bugs and reports that you guys can provide to us and work on fixing them.
[2017-09-04 13:37] ID=12698 jandreske: I guess there is plenty of bugs and issues on github to knock yourself out with.
[2017-09-04 15:26] ID=12699 jandreske: Will mycelium support segwit in P2SH, bech32, or both?
[2017-09-04 16:55] ID=12700 Rassah: Last I was involved Mycelium was still in the process of switching to BitcoinJ for the back end, which was the plan since a year ago and has been a work in progress this whole time. So Mycelium will, eventually, support whatever BitcoinJ supports
[2017-09-06 09:20] ID=12702 Yury Kovalev: None
[2017-09-07 15:50] ID=12704 NexusSix: None
[2017-09-08 04:02] ID=12705 RE_ID=12624 Giszmo: that's server issues. with the latest update we switch to our own colored coins server.
[2017-09-08 04:02] ID=12706 Giszmo: also we fixed some bugs and introduced new ones with the custom fee feature.
[2017-09-08 04:03] ID=12707 RE_ID=12698 Giszmo: we have an internal redmine and carry over the most burning issues. with the colored coins update many bugs were introduced that we need to fix one by one.
[2017-09-08 04:18] ID=12708 RE_ID=12699 Giszmo: as bech32 seams to be a thing already that we have to support for sending soon, we might as well support it for receiving but probably optional, as many wallets will not support it too soon.
[2017-09-08 04:53] ID=12709 sec ond: Thanks for someone still update the news about mycelium. Please continue in the latter time.
[2017-09-08 05:27] ID=12710 arottma: 👍
[2017-09-08 07:20] ID=12711 RE_ID=12707 thorbjorn: Just wondering, but why not work directly with GitHub issues? It would show more activity and could even encourage contributions from outside.
[2017-09-08 08:12] ID=12712 OlegD: None
[2017-09-08 09:13] ID=12713 ShortFatUglyDumb: bech32 addresses (whether Mycelium soon, or anywhere) -- just for SegWit tx's, or can be used for traditional tx's ?
[2017-09-08 09:16] ID=12714 RE_ID=12711 Giszmo: yes. i agree. we should use redmine only for stuff that is not public yet. we had some team changes. will see what the others think.
[2017-09-08 09:18] ID=12715 thorbjorn: Nice!
[2017-09-08 16:03] ID=12716 DoubleYouSee23: Nice custom fee update!
[2017-09-08 16:38] ID=12717 mishax1: New fees options is shit.. no real need for so many options
[2017-09-08 16:41] ID=12718 RE_ID=12717 Giszmo: Some people can only complain :(
[2017-09-08 16:42] ID=12719 mishax1: The app should be simplers not more complex
[2017-09-08 16:42] ID=12720 RE_ID=12716 Giszmo: Thanks. It's still buggy and makes it way too easy to pay way too low fees once the spaming returns but we will fix that, too.
[2017-09-08 16:44] ID=12721 RE_ID=12719 Giszmo: Yes. And I would have had preferred to work on RBF to make things easier for users but people are killing us for not allowing custom fees. Elvis had some nice idea to make fee entry easy. I would prefer it to be smaller until you use it and harder to pick low fees and more accurate about the time estimate when you go tweak the value though.
[2017-09-08 16:47] ID=12722 RE_ID=12720 DoubleYouSee23: One step at a time
[2017-09-08 16:49] ID=12723 mishax1: A custom fee + 4 more levels should have done the job.. but now, how do I pick a fee out of the 40(?) options?
[2017-09-08 16:50] ID=12724 DoubleYouSee23: They are broken into categories
[2017-09-08 16:51] ID=12725 DoubleYouSee23: I'm not a huge fan of the ui atm but ill adjust for now
[2017-09-08 16:51] ID=12726 Giszmo: you use the top slider for what we had before and the bottom one if you want to adjust a bit.
[2017-09-08 16:52] ID=12727 Giszmo: And please report bugs. We rushed this release a bit. I hope we can be more careful with the releases to come.
[2017-09-08 16:52] ID=12728 mishax1: New users would be lost..
[2017-09-08 16:54] ID=12729 Giszmo: New users used to miss that there is a fee and that they can adjust it. Now they will miss that there is a send button.
[2017-09-08 16:54] ID=12730 Giszmo: :(
[2017-09-08 16:55] ID=12731 Giszmo: We will improve it.
[2017-09-08 17:03] ID=12732 mishax1: Anything that can compensate us MT holders..
[2017-09-08 17:46] ID=12733 thorbjorn: Hmm, that is indeed a rather strange and out of place fee chooser.
[2017-09-08 17:46] ID=12734 ImadL: Why my wallet is not being updated?
[2017-09-08 17:46] ID=12735 ImadL: 2.9.2 (what I'm using) and when I check for updates, It says It's up to date.
[2017-09-08 17:46] ID=12736 ImadL: while there is a new version with custom fees (2.9.3)
[2017-09-08 17:47] ID=12737 thorbjorn: And the lowest "10 min" fee is lower than the highest "30 min" fee. 🤔
[2017-09-08 17:51] ID=12738 Paragon Support Manager #2: None
[2017-09-08 19:02] ID=12739 RE_ID=12716 franull: yay! finally!
[2017-09-09 02:44] ID=12740 RE_ID=12734 Giszmo: did you try again? We had the release on staged rollout. Now it's fully rolled out.
[2017-09-09 02:46] ID=12741 RE_ID=6754 dvbtc: Hi you use samurai? I need know something about payment codes and  ricochet you know when I can found info about how works thanks
[2017-09-09 04:31] ID=12742 ???: None
[2017-09-09 06:59] ID=12743 RE_ID=12740 ImadL: Yes, still saying that my wallet is up to date, werid.
[2017-09-09 06:59] ID=12744 ImadL: weird*
[2017-09-09 07:22] ID=12745 ShortFatUglyDumb: Give it another day or 2. And even if u upd8 now, it sounds like Mycelium is pushing frequent upd8-patches thez days, so u'l get a new upd8 in a few days.
[2017-09-09 09:54] ID=12746 RE_ID=12726 franull: yes please\n\nDon't change this new custom fee option\n\nMaybe adding and "advanced" field to display it custom fees, but don't return it to just what it was before ☺️
[2017-09-09 10:41] ID=12747 TheSatMan: Im not up to date ... are there any news about MT? 😕
[2017-09-09 14:30] ID=12748 RE_ID=12747 Rassah: Just progress on the app
[2017-09-09 16:22] ID=12749 RE_ID=12748 TheSatMan: You mean the "switch knife" app as described at the ICO for mycelium?
[2017-09-09 19:52] ID=12750 RE_ID=12747 thecryptofiend: Yes it's all but dead.
[2017-09-09 20:27] ID=12751 RE_ID=12750 TheSatMan: Weee - thats great news 😃 How can i follow? I only have iPhone...
[2017-09-10 02:01] ID=12752 tnarnold: None
[2017-09-10 13:15] ID=12759 bucci Anukwu: None
[2017-09-10 14:41] ID=12760 bucci Anukwu: hello
[2017-09-10 14:53] ID=12761 Rassah: Hi
[2017-09-10 14:54] ID=12762 bucci Anukwu: is this a multi wallet ?
[2017-09-10 14:55] ID=12763 Rassah: Not really
[2017-09-10 15:24] ID=12764 bucci Anukwu: what is it then
[2017-09-10 15:25] ID=12765 DoubleYouSee23: Bitcoin wallet
[2017-09-10 16:37] ID=12766 bucci Anukwu: what the cool there
[2017-09-11 14:24] ID=12767 ysgjay: mycelium you guys are on a roll
[2017-09-11 17:08] ID=12768 seektree: MT token going to be worth anything ever? updates or jus forget about it?
[2017-09-11 17:09] ID=12769 RE_ID=12768 thecryptofiend: Probably not but I am still keeping my tokens just in case.
[2017-09-11 17:09] ID=12770 seektree: thx
[2017-09-11 17:09] ID=12771 thecryptofiend: NP:)
[2017-09-11 20:15] ID=12772 Neo Cortex: None
[2017-09-11 20:16] ID=12773 Neo Cortex: Seems mycelium is a scam organization. They stole our money.
[2017-09-11 20:18] ID=12774 BB_Martino: People investing in ICOs then blaming the ICO. Classic.
[2017-09-11 20:21] ID=12775 Neo Cortex: We understand risks of investing, but they didn't do anything at all. They simply spent money on drugs and sluts. It's another, than failed project.
[2017-09-11 20:23] ID=12776 Neo Cortex: I hope, that FBI will get them someday.
[2017-09-11 20:24] ID=12777 BB_Martino: Don't "we", it's you.
[2017-09-11 20:24] ID=12778 BB_Martino: and your summary is highly inaccurate
[2017-09-11 20:24] ID=12779 BB_Martino: Not to mention all anyone had to do was read the Terms of their ICO to see no actual promises were made.
[2017-09-11 20:24] ID=12780 BB_Martino: Anyway, this convo is mostly spam so I'll let you rant on and won't add to it anymore.
[2017-09-11 20:25] ID=12781 Neo Cortex: Don't tell me what to do
[2017-09-11 20:25] ID=12782 Neo Cortex: I will remind everybody about these scammers.
[2017-09-11 20:26] ID=12783 Neo Cortex: They didn't say, that they take our money and spend it on themselves
[2017-09-11 20:28] ID=12784 thecryptofiend: It's a risk with all ICOs though.  That is why you don't go all in on any one ICO. Only invest in what you can afford to lose.  Scams are rife.
[2017-09-11 21:43] ID=12785 RE_ID=12746 Rahoos: +1\nAnyone confused by the new slider, just flick the top one and the bottom one goes to the default fee for whatever level is showing on top. Then slide the bottom one to adjust a little if needed. I did also notice that the lowest 10 minute fee was lower than the highest 30 minute fee, but other than that I really like it.
[2017-09-11 21:58] ID=12786 RE_ID=12776 Rassah: Why would FBI get them? They are not in US
[2017-09-11 21:59] ID=12787 RE_ID=12786 sabotagebeats: Why did the FBI get btc-e then lol
[2017-09-11 21:59] ID=12788 Rassah: Because FBI sucks?
[2017-09-11 21:59] ID=12789 sabotagebeats: Lol
[2017-09-11 21:59] ID=12790 sabotagebeats: We don't disagree there
[2017-09-11 22:04] ID=12791 RE_ID=12788 theultimatum: 
[2017-09-11 22:06] ID=12792 sabotagebeats: @Rassah u don't like segwit, right?
[2017-09-11 22:07] ID=12793 RE_ID=12792 Rassah: What? I love SegWit
[2017-09-11 22:08] ID=12794 Rassah: Wanted it since it was announced. Mostly for all the extra coding it will allow. Like increased anonymity
[2017-09-12 00:23] ID=12795 Transisto: THANK FUCKING GOD for custom fee, First improvement to the wallet since ICO
[2017-09-12 07:04] ID=12796 thorbjorn: CPFP was also a nice improvement.
[2017-09-12 07:36] ID=12797 ???: None
[2017-09-12 07:36] ID=12798 RE_ID=12796 ShortFatUglyDumb: Indeed it was.
[2017-09-12 07:45] ID=12799 sec ond: I think only LEO is working, hope he can get salary and continue to work.
[2017-09-12 10:02] ID=12800 Giszmo: nah, we are a bigger and bigger team now. Check the commits. not all appear there yet.
[2017-09-12 19:19] ID=12801 Powerslave: None
[2017-09-13 14:41] ID=12802 Lekandi: Hey guys
[2017-09-13 14:41] ID=12803 Lekandi: 
[2017-09-13 14:41] ID=12804 Lekandi: I got this showing and yesterday these went thru
[2017-09-13 14:44] ID=12805 Pepy Ganea: Resync , i had same isue today
[2017-09-13 14:44] ID=12806 Lekandi: Like that with all my wallets right now. People recieved the transactions yesterday and today
[2017-09-13 14:44] ID=12807 Lekandi: I just did but same
[2017-09-13 19:21] ID=12808 Giszmo: somehow our server monitoring failed. one of our nodes was stuck. please try now @Lekandi
[2017-09-13 21:04] ID=12809 RE_ID=12808 Lekandi: Thanks it worked now
[2017-09-13 21:05] ID=12810 Lekandi: When can we (if ever) expect tumbling?
[2017-09-16 16:57] ID=12811 tomo: What's new with mycellium tokens?
[2017-09-16 16:58] ID=12812 tomo: Will they have any function ever?
[2017-09-16 17:00] ID=12813 Rassah: They already do. They're a percent claim of the company
[2017-09-16 21:00] ID=12814 bucci Anukwu: any incentive to get people on board with the wallet
[2017-09-17 05:55] ID=12815 Feroxit: None
[2017-09-17 06:36] ID=12816 Taiwo_2: Hola
[2017-09-17 06:48] ID=12817 RE_ID=12816 bilbma: Hola @Taiwo_2 espero que tu entiendas más inglés que yo.
[2017-09-17 12:34] ID=12818 RE_ID=12810 Maxxsaan: ZeroLink would be a lovely integration
[2017-09-17 13:27] ID=12819 ImadL: TumbleBit too
[2017-09-17 15:41] ID=12820 ShortFatUglyDumb: I think Rassah suggested recently (he can't speak for Mycelium since he's no longer employed there) that the mixing ShufflePuff project/feature was substantially delayed.
[2017-09-17 16:45] ID=12821 RE_ID=12820 Giszmo: It was basically put on ice after being scheduled to be a one-man-month project that ended up being a one-man-year project ready to be released in two more weeks indefinitely. The main repo is https://github.com/DanielKrawisz/Shufflepuff/branches and Daniel K. had suggested he would be working on it under his new employment but at least the public repo doesn't look like that.
[2017-09-17 16:46] ID=12822 Giszmo: Eugene did the last commit in his fork in April.
[2017-09-17 16:51] ID=12823 ShortFatUglyDumb: Thx 4 the scoop on that, Leo.
[2017-09-17 17:10] ID=12824 Qblu32ooth: https://youtu.be/i5QDG_UuEKA
[2017-09-18 03:11] ID=12825 YueTylerXiong: None
[2017-09-18 15:10] ID=12826 RE_ID=12813 tomo: Hehe good one :) ok so what does one pearson, who owns percent claim of company, gets from that besades that title?
[2017-09-18 15:14] ID=12827 Rassah: A share of profits, when there are any
[2017-09-18 17:09] ID=12828 blitztoken: any way to add mt to etherdelta? a decentralized exchange
[2017-09-18 17:12] ID=12829 RE_ID=12828 tomo: There are only erc20 tokens, MYC token is not on ethereum, it's based on bitcoin protocol
[2017-09-19 13:01] ID=12830 irieirie68: None
[2017-09-20 02:59] ID=12831 Daniel_Link: A share of profits that will never come
[2017-09-20 11:41] ID=12832 Leon Monish: None
[2017-09-20 18:08] ID=12833 A L: None
[2017-09-22 05:27] ID=12834 ShortFatUglyDumb: For the 1st time ever, I have an incoming BTC tx not appearing at all in my Mycelium HD wallet, although it appears (unconfirmed) in block explorers. To remedy this, I tried clearing the Myc cache, reloading my HD account a couple times, exiting and re-starting Myc several times, upgrading to the latest Myc version. No luck. Also, something else to note: the sender (on Airbitz) apparently used zero fees to send it (I'm not sure why). So, it could be a while b4 it confirms. But still, it should appear in Myc w'o confirmations. Right?
[2017-09-22 06:16] ID=12835 RE_ID=12834 AROMACOMPUTERS: Did you try asking airbitz group whats up on their end
[2017-09-22 06:16] ID=12836 AROMACOMPUTERS: Zero fee will likely never confirm, and drop out of mem pool, returned to sender as if nothing happened.
[2017-09-22 06:23] ID=12837 RE_ID=12835 ShortFatUglyDumb: Not yet. I need to contact the sender 1st.
[2017-09-22 06:24] ID=12838 RE_ID=12836 ShortFatUglyDumb: That's what I'm figuring. Except that the mempool has often had bouts of being pretty empty lately. Not sure if a near-empty mempool helps get zero-fee tx's confirmed, eventually.
[2017-09-22 06:24] ID=12839 ShortFatUglyDumb: But I'm wondering why it's not appearing in Mycelium. Does Myc ignore zero-fee tx's?
[2017-09-22 06:26] ID=12840 RE_ID=12838 AROMACOMPUTERS: Its been years since I would even cross my fingers for it
[2017-09-22 06:26] ID=12841 RE_ID=12839 AROMACOMPUTERS: Good question
[2017-09-22 06:27] ID=12842 ShortFatUglyDumb: If it wud just appear in Myc as zero-conf, then I cud try a CPFP tx to boost priority.
[2017-09-22 06:28] ID=12843 RE_ID=12839 AROMACOMPUTERS: Maybe they dont want to get your hopes up just to crush them
[2017-09-22 06:28] ID=12844 AROMACOMPUTERS: 
[2017-09-22 07:13] ID=12845 thorbjorn: Maybe it's being filtered out as a form of spam protection.
[2017-09-22 07:14] ID=12846 thorbjorn: Though if so, this should only be done with very small amounts, since CPFP is an option.
[2017-09-22 10:35] ID=12847 ShortFatUglyDumb: That's a good point, thanks @thorbjorn . My amount is quite large though (hence the frustration/uneasiness). I also wonder if maybe I've stumbled onto a Myc bug here. And also wondering if by chance it does confirm, will the tx still be ignored/not-found by Myc.
[2017-09-22 15:06] ID=12848 RE_ID=12845 Rassah: This is most likely, yes
[2017-09-22 17:09] ID=12849 Maxxsaan: Mycelium should add ZeroLink
[2017-09-22 17:10] ID=12850 theultimatum: What's ZeroLink?
[2017-09-22 17:11] ID=12851 Maxxsaan: https://bitcoinmagazine.com/articles/hiddenwallet-and-samourai-wallet-join-forces-make-bitcoin-private-zerolink/
[2017-09-22 17:11] ID=12852 Maxxsaan: Mycelium should get in on the action
[2017-09-22 19:44] ID=12853 Rassah: I wish Mycelium would finish and implement that CoinShuffle they spent almost a year working on. That's basically what these guys are trying to do.
[2017-09-22 19:46] ID=12854 ImadL: Rassah I know u left but what's ur geniune opinion on the current situation? The way I see it is that the wallet may die in a few months
[2017-09-22 19:46] ID=12855 ImadL: If there is no proper funding
[2017-09-22 19:47] ID=12856 Rassah: They apparently moved Gear devs to the wallet, so it seems to still be going. Otherwise I don't know much
[2017-09-22 19:50] ID=12857 ImadL: I see. Thanks. Is the wallet fully open source? If it's the case then it wouldn't make much sense
[2017-09-22 19:50] ID=12858 ImadL: As the community would clearly help just like in electrum
[2017-09-22 19:52] ID=12859 Rassah: The back end runs on proprietary servers. For now. Last year work was mainly on switching it to run on BitcoinJ as SPV wallet
[2017-09-22 20:00] ID=12860 ImadL: We still haven't seen the SPV update
[2017-09-22 20:00] ID=12861 ImadL: Did we?
[2017-09-22 20:21] ID=12862 Rassah: No
[2017-09-22 22:02] ID=12863 RE_ID=12855 chrisguida: I don't understand, what happened to all the crowdsale money? Didn't that go towards development?
[2017-09-22 22:16] ID=12864 SJ C: no, they took $5 million from us, blew it all on god knows what in less than a year, but for some reason still has rassah taking crap from from us for over a year
[2017-09-22 22:26] ID=12865 RE_ID=12864 Rassah: It wasn't $5 million. Where did you get that number?
[2017-09-22 22:39] ID=12866 ethbitsMarketingPR: Like even if I could trade my shitty 10 tokens somewhere lol
[2017-09-22 22:39] ID=12867 ethbitsMarketingPR: And I feel sorry for rassah you don't work for them any more right?
[2017-09-22 22:40] ID=12868 ethbitsMarketingPR: Good job I put 2 Bitcoin in NEO lol
[2017-09-22 22:41] ID=12869 RE_ID=12865 SJ C: from my head
[2017-09-22 22:43] ID=12870 RE_ID=12867 Rassah: I don't, no
[2017-09-22 22:43] ID=12871 RE_ID=12869 Rassah: It was closer to $2 mil, and I think half of that went on expensive legal fees to set up the ICO in the first place.
[2017-09-22 22:44] ID=12872 RE_ID=12871 SJ C: we'll just have to take your word for it
[2017-09-22 22:46] ID=12873 RE_ID=12872 Rassah: Not for the amount. 5,000 tokens were sold when bitcoin was about $400. But for the rest, yeah. Even I don't know for sure. Part of why I left
[2017-09-22 22:56] ID=12874 mrcheek: Do another ICO!!!
[2017-09-23 01:11] ID=12875 ShortFatUglyDumb: Need a little help -- does any1 know how to look at a tx in a block explorer (an incoming tx into my Myc wallet) and determine if any component of it is SegWit (such as an input or output)? Thx.
[2017-09-23 01:19] ID=12876 Rassah: I think segwit would start with a 3 instead of a 1
[2017-09-23 01:28] ID=12877 ShortFatUglyDumb: So, script-type address. Ok. And what about these new Bech32 address types (start with "bc" I think, and different character set) -- not sure if that new syntax is just for SegWit or all of Bitcoin.
[2017-09-23 11:55] ID=12878 jandreske: For inputs, the question is whether the block explorer does show that it is segwit. For P2SH outputs, it is not possible to see whether it is a segwit address or some other script until it is spent (or the script is published elsewhere). I doubt that block explorers go as far as updating the output with that information, but will probably link to where it is spent and thus you could check.
[2017-09-23 11:59] ID=12879 jandreske: bech32 address types can in theory be used in a broad way (and would improve usability in QR codes, error detection and ability to read/write addresses manually) but as far as I am aware of the only application being currently pushed is to embed native segwit in it.
[2017-09-23 13:36] ID=12880 xElvis89x: `````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````
[2017-09-23 13:36] ID=12881 xElvis89x: 01
[2017-09-23 13:48] ID=12882 xElvis89x: 0Z>xs1
[2017-09-23 14:02] ID=12883 ShortFatUglyDumb: Thanks, Jan!
[2017-09-23 22:27] ID=12884 Advanced: None
[2017-09-23 22:27] ID=12885 Advanced: hi all
[2017-09-23 22:29] ID=12886 Advanced: what happened to this once respectable company? Got greedy all of a sudden?
[2017-09-23 22:30] ID=12887 Advanced: does anybody wants to get my MTs?  On bitsquare orders never gets filled
[2017-09-23 22:59] ID=12888 Rassah: It's been struggling financially, and apparently only one of its employees was insistent on being completely open about its operations. But that employee left.
[2017-09-23 23:16] ID=12889 RE_ID=12887 DoubleYouSee23: out of curiosity, how much are you asking on bitsquare?
[2017-09-24 05:10] ID=12890 Daniel_Link: I bet the 5.000 bitcoins from crowdsale have been the worst invested bitcoins ever in an ico
[2017-09-24 05:11] ID=12891 Daniel_Link: Founders dont even paid a press release of 150 usd with them 😂
[2017-09-24 05:11] ID=12892 Daniel_Link: Thats why they dissapeared
[2017-09-24 05:11] ID=12893 Daniel_Link: Money dont like greedy hands
[2017-09-24 05:13] ID=12894 Daniel_Link: Basically you sent bitcoins to someone that wasn't qualified to handle so big amount of money
[2017-09-24 07:29] ID=12895 tomo: I agree with @Stevenklnk (Glory). Worst ICO ever, @Rassah talk fancy as much as you want, you were there when ICO was happening. You say there were financial struggling in company yet company earned 5000 BTCs...
[2017-09-24 07:30] ID=12896 tomo: We saw your buddy from team on facebook traveling around world, jumping of parschute just after ico
[2017-09-24 07:30] ID=12897 tomo: And we haven't seen any financial report
[2017-09-24 07:31] ID=12898 tomo: Mycellium crew reputation went to 0, hope you enjoyed in that money you collected from us investors.
[2017-09-24 07:32] ID=12899 tomo: At least you were heck of a lesson
[2017-09-24 07:34] ID=12900 Daniel_Link: Yes that was the reality
[2017-09-24 07:34] ID=12901 Daniel_Link: Money fucked up the lives of these guys instead of improving them
[2017-09-24 07:35] ID=12902 Daniel_Link: I bet mycelium would have been ever better without that trash sale than today
[2017-09-24 07:36] ID=12903 Daniel_Link: And once they run out of money they will remain poor and without a company, so 10 times worse
[2017-09-24 07:36] ID=12904 Daniel_Link: This is what happen when you believe investments are money you can spend or is your money
[2017-09-24 07:40] ID=12905 Daniel_Link: I truly feel sorry for them
[2017-09-24 07:42] ID=12906 Daniel_Link: Where are the offices?
[2017-09-24 07:42] ID=12907 Daniel_Link: Where are the employees
[2017-09-24 07:43] ID=12908 Daniel_Link: Where are the dev teams
[2017-09-24 07:43] ID=12909 Daniel_Link: What did you spent 5k ducking btcs and mycelium still keeps being a back garage company
[2017-09-24 07:43] ID=12910 Daniel_Link: Lol
[2017-09-24 07:44] ID=12911 Daniel_Link: You shall have now an entire floor of city skyscraper now at Mycelium hqs but in reality you keep coding in the backyard
[2017-09-24 07:58] ID=12912 Daniel_Link: Mycelium to grow up with a 5k btcs crowdsale, expectation :
[2017-09-24 07:58] ID=12913 Daniel_Link: 
[2017-09-24 07:58] ID=12914 Daniel_Link: Reality:
[2017-09-24 07:58] ID=12915 Daniel_Link: 
[2017-09-24 08:04] ID=12916 Daniel_Link: Nothing personal I was just bored
[2017-09-24 08:04] ID=12917 Daniel_Link: See you!
[2017-09-24 08:20] ID=12918 RE_ID=12895 Rassah: Company was financially struggling, yes. People quit due to lack of pay all the time. Ask devs that left. They'll confirm. Company earned 5000 BTC, which was only a bit over $2mil. I was told maybe half of that went to cover legal fees to split up company into separate parts with wallet as its own part, and to set up the ICO. The rest was converted into USD and EUR back when BTC was $450 or so, so it didn't get any help from BTC going to $4000
[2017-09-24 08:21] ID=12919 RE_ID=12896 Rassah: He does that on his own, even before he joined. That's his hobby. He also quit some time in January. I think for the same reason as others (lack of pay)
[2017-09-24 08:23] ID=12920 RE_ID=12897 Rassah: I was told the company would publish one quarterly. I insisted on it, and being told it would is why I agreed to go along with the ICO when I was asked. That never happening, and the company being closed about its finances, is part of why I left.
[2017-09-24 08:25] ID=12921 RE_ID=12898 Rassah: I don't know who enjoyed it. I certainly didn't. My salary was still the same (lower than any of our developers I might add), and my last paycheck was for November. I worked December through May without pay, hoping the company would finally get some money to pay me back. Luckily our CEO continued to pay our main devs out of his own pocket.
[2017-09-24 08:27] ID=12922 RE_ID=12902 Rassah: That I'm not sure about. Our devs are all full time with real dev salaries. I don't know if CEO was struggling to pay salaries at that point, and if ICO helped the company move along. It definitely didn't help the company's reputation, which is what I feared about it from the start.
[2017-09-24 08:28] ID=12923 RE_ID=12907 Rassah: This I can answer. Chile, London, Russia. Used to be one in Denmark, one in Canada, and one in US too.
[2017-09-24 08:35] ID=12924 Daniel_Link: Problem is that money doesn't solves the lack of an idea ( in this case a revenue source) you have just said that you were struggling to pay dev salaries because of no enough revenue with your working products and so on now Mycelium keeps struggling
[2017-09-24 08:35] ID=12925 Daniel_Link: That I'm not sure about. Our devs are all full time with real dev salaries. I don't know if CEO was struggling to pay salaries at that point, and if ICO helped the company move along. It definitely didn't help the company's reputation, which is what I feared about it from the start.
[2017-09-24 08:53] ID=12926 Rassah: Doesn't solve the lack of an idea?
[2017-09-24 08:53] ID=12927 RE_ID=12924 Rassah: By "you" you mean the company. I wasn't doing any of the paying. I never saw any of the raised money either.
[2017-09-24 08:55] ID=12928 Rassah: But when I left, Mycelium was starting to earn some revenues. It wasn't much, maybe enough to cover one dev salary at that point, but it was growing fast. So maybe Mycelium is on the right track to actually start earning money. I don't know. I left for ethical reasons, not financial.
[2017-09-24 08:57] ID=12929 Rassah: Admittedly, I'm also to blame for some issues, since the ICO was raised to fund an idea I came up with and wanted to implement. The modular wallet that could work like an app store of finance, supporting plugins from other businesses and developers. For whatever reason (not enough developers, constant delays, maybe even bad developers, or lack of focus, or me being too nice and not pushing them hard enough) that didn't happen. They're still working on it, but with it being expected in December, and then constantly pushed back, even now... I don't know.
[2017-09-24 09:00] ID=12930 Rassah: I wish I knew where I went wrong in that though, since that's one of my big failures, and I don't even know why I failed, and thus what I should have learned from it.
[2017-09-24 09:51] ID=12931 Advanced: I have a friend that recently has been hired so I guess they are at least doing something
[2017-09-24 09:54] ID=12932 Rassah: That's good to hear
[2017-09-24 10:35] ID=12933 RE_ID=12921 Wopin: Rassah, are you going to denounce your situation and take legal action against mycelium? Is there really no solvency to pay salaries? This is becoming more and more like a scam.
[2017-09-24 14:58] ID=12934 tomo: Thnx for info rassah now at least i know that everything was wrong from the begining in your team. You are completly lost, and you don't know what went wrong. Your team sold all BTCs like you don't beleive in glowth of BTC yet you are the company that builds wallet for BTC :)
[2017-09-24 17:51] ID=12935 RE_ID=12933 Rassah: Salaries were paid out of our CEOs pocket (he has/had other businesses and his own millions). I suspect they will continue to be paid out of his pocket until the wallet is profitable.\n\nNo, I'm not going to take legal action, or denounce the company. They're still doing good work. I helped hire most of the devs, and they're good people. Also the CEO is almost uninvolved, other than handling money and paying salaries. So I still think the company is worthwhile and solvent.
[2017-09-24 17:54] ID=12936 RE_ID=12934 Rassah: The reason BTC was sold was because of the 2013 crash. Our company held all of its money in Rubles and Bitcoin (since the CEO is from Russia), and then bitcoin crashed from $1,200 to $200, and at about the same time, when Russia invaded Ukraine, the Ruble lost about 80% of its value too. So the company, and CEO, lost A LOT of money, which put the company in a very tight situation. So after that massive loss, I suspect the CEO was afraid and wanted to play it safe, so converted our raised funds to something more stable. No one knew bitcoin would grow 10x in just 1.5 years.
[2017-09-24 18:44] ID=12937 BitFinger: None
[2017-09-24 18:57] ID=12938 Wopin: Good luck rassah to get back the money they owe you.
[2017-09-24 19:50] ID=12939 Rassah: I don't expect it
[2017-09-24 22:52] ID=12940 Daniel_Link: It looks like the ceo of Mycelium Alexander Kuzmin tried to pull off another scam just months after this one with Mass network
[2017-09-24 22:53] ID=12941 Daniel_Link: Unfortunately for him he only scammed 350 btcs
[2017-09-24 22:53] ID=12942 Daniel_Link: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1799232.0
[2017-09-24 22:54] ID=12943 Daniel_Link: Buying companies to instantly open an ICO asking millions
[2017-09-24 22:54] ID=12944 Daniel_Link: Lol
[2017-09-24 22:56] ID=12945 Daniel_Link: @Rassah rolling around with these people will give you problems
[2017-09-24 22:56] ID=12946 Daniel_Link: Hes a straight up scammer
[2017-09-24 23:00] ID=12947 Daniel_Link: He honored Mr Dr Michael Moriarty @moriartybitcoin with these colu token sales
[2017-09-24 23:44] ID=12948 RE_ID=12940 Rassah: That's not exactly right. He took over Mass after it started having issues, after the ICO, in hopes of saving it. He wasn't the one who started it. At least from what I know.
[2017-09-25 00:04] ID=12949 Daniel_Link: I did a quick search on google for news about when Alexander Kuzmin acquired mass
[2017-09-25 00:05] ID=12950 Daniel_Link: Maybe you are Alexander?
[2017-09-25 00:06] ID=12951 Daniel_Link: Why are you still defending these worthless tokens
[2017-09-25 00:06] ID=12952 Daniel_Link: When every wise man in bct knows it is a scam
[2017-09-25 00:09] ID=12953 Daniel_Link: Even if it was acquired later, he didn't refund investors and so how would you acquire an ico that owes 350 btcs
[2017-09-25 00:09] ID=12954 Daniel_Link: This is bullshit
[2017-09-25 00:10] ID=12955 Daniel_Link: I can think anything from Alex but him being stupid I don't think so
[2017-09-25 00:20] ID=12956 Daniel_Link: This looks like a cult defending an non existent bitcoin company
[2017-09-25 00:20] ID=12957 Daniel_Link: Managed by russian scammers
[2017-09-25 00:27] ID=12958 RE_ID=12952 Rassah: Lots of wise men were fools. Not sure why you think these tokens were a scam. They are an investment in the company for a percent stake in the company. If you still have tokens, you still have a percent stake in the company. That never changed. That these tokens aren't valued much is another matter.\nWhat did you hope that these tokens would be valued as?
[2017-09-25 00:32] ID=12959 Daniel_Link: Maybe some wise men have been fools but just as fool as someone spending half of ico in legal fees
[2017-09-25 00:32] ID=12960 Daniel_Link: Instead of just running away, at the end it had the same outcome
[2017-09-25 00:33] ID=12961 Daniel_Link: You are still labelled as scammer
[2017-09-25 00:35] ID=12962 Daniel_Link: Or maybe create another alt acc identity and make another ICO ,you are not so smart!
[2017-09-25 00:35] ID=12963 Daniel_Link: Scammers are not wise
[2017-09-25 00:35] ID=12964 Daniel_Link: They are the foolest
[2017-09-25 00:36] ID=12965 Daniel_Link: That's why they always end bad
[2017-09-25 00:36] ID=12966 Daniel_Link: That's surely why that idiot Alexander lost so much in 2013 bubble
[2017-09-25 00:37] ID=12967 Daniel_Link: And eat all rupple dump
[2017-09-25 00:37] ID=12968 Daniel_Link: That's how smart scammers are
[2017-09-25 00:37] ID=12969 Daniel_Link: 😂
[2017-09-25 00:37] ID=12970 Daniel_Link: And now sold btc at 400 usd 😂
[2017-09-25 00:39] ID=12971 Daniel_Link: Tell him to kill himself and stop stealing air
[2017-09-25 00:40] ID=12972 sec ond: No one will trust Kuzmin anymore, he stop scam anymore by himself. If he want to scam more he should do it well before. But he goto another direction. Let he total loss.
[2017-09-25 00:40] ID=12973 sec ond: and we all total loss.
[2017-09-25 00:41] ID=12974 sec ond: Rassah protect him and want to get back salary. It is not his fault.
[2017-09-25 00:43] ID=12975 Daniel_Link: The wealth of the sinner is laid up to the righteus , that idiot Alexander along with many others believe they cant cheat the universe
[2017-09-25 00:43] ID=12976 Daniel_Link: Fools
[2017-09-25 00:45] ID=12977 Daniel_Link: He surely sold Eth ( if he had some) at 10 usd this year
[2017-09-25 00:45] ID=12978 sec ond: Becasue the ICO surprise him can make a lot in a short period. He just want to get more to open more ICO and ignore the Mycelium. Now all goto hell. Take a look at Mycelium app download number. Far Far behind the other new wallet.
[2017-09-25 00:47] ID=12979 sec ond: Dont blame Rassah, his name already bad by Mycelium. Near cannot stand in this field anymore. He is also a victim.
[2017-09-25 01:05] ID=12980 RE_ID=12961 Rassah: Yeah, I'm claiming you're overusing that claim without evidence to back that up. Is Mycelium the company still around? Is your wallet still working? Then it's not much of a scam. Bad business, sure.
[2017-09-25 01:07] ID=12981 RE_ID=12967 Rassah: That had more to do with Russia having really restrictive banking, where millionaires are basically being held hostage, not allowed to move their millions out of the country. Not without outrageous fees at least. So his money was stuck and he couldn't do much.
[2017-09-25 01:07] ID=12982 sec ond: I put money because Mycelium future. It stated in th ICO. Not the Mycelium now. They are different.
[2017-09-25 01:08] ID=12983 RE_ID=12974 Rassah: I don't want my salary. I don't care about it. Not like I needed the money anyway. Just explaining how thing are and why they are, from the little I know.
[2017-09-25 01:08] ID=12984 Rassah: But I no longer work for the company, so can't explain much
[2017-09-25 01:09] ID=12985 Rassah: But, @Stevenklnk, I'll be sure to listen to you for bitcoin investing advice from now on, since you are so smart. What price will bitcoin be in summer of next year? I need to know.
[2017-09-25 01:10] ID=12986 RE_ID=12982 Rassah: They are, but not that much. Developers are still working on the same idea. It's just moving so unbelievably slow.
[2017-09-25 01:10] ID=12987 Rassah: The new method to select transaction fees in wallet? That slider thing is from the new wallet project.
[2017-09-25 06:56] ID=12988 Transisto: The good thing if BTC crash is that you don't actually need to build the wallet anymore.  Selling all BTC at 450$ was the dumbest thing a bitcoin dependant company can do.   What does the russian banking system has to do with anything? Are you telling me none of the employe wanted to be paid in BTC and cash them out themselves?
[2017-09-25 06:56] ID=12989 Transisto: One's have to be extremely gullible to belive that splitting a company in two cost 1 000 000$ in legal fees.
[2017-09-25 06:58] ID=12990 RE_ID=12989 AROMACOMPUTERS: Right?  $1,000 p/hr x (1,000 hrs?)
[2017-09-25 06:59] ID=12991 RE_ID=12988 Rassah: Company is funded out of CEOs own pocket, remember? The company existed and spent millions on development even before the ICO
[2017-09-25 07:00] ID=12992 Rassah: Everyone got paid in BTC
[2017-09-25 07:00] ID=12993 RE_ID=12991 AROMACOMPUTERS: Technically the new company starts with zero debt, otherwise since it was not disclosed, we all know whats thats called
[2017-09-25 07:39] ID=12994 sec ond: The most important is we are not buying the exit Mycelium, we are buying the promised new Mycelium wallet. It's so simple. Who will buy a Telsa and wait for 10 years latter to drive?
[2017-09-25 07:49] ID=12995 ImadL: A random question
[2017-09-25 07:49] ID=12996 ImadL: If the CEO actually scamemd people
[2017-09-25 07:49] ID=12997 ImadL: why no one take this to court or something
[2017-09-25 07:49] ID=12998 ImadL: or fill a report
[2017-09-25 07:49] ID=12999 ImadL: the amount is clearly huge
[2017-09-25 08:10] ID=13000 BB_Martino: Because they signed an agreement to accept no real promises made. So whoever wanted to take it to court got told by the lawyer to not chase this because it won't work.
[2017-09-25 12:49] ID=13001 mrmx2k: None
[2017-09-25 15:12] ID=13002 Rassah: Yeah, probably same reason you can't take a company to court if you buy its stock and the stock price tanks
[2017-09-25 15:13] ID=13003 Rassah: Plus the company didn't take the money and ran, it just took it, spent on who knows what, and is still trying to be a company.
[2017-09-25 18:43] ID=13004 Daniel_Link: Lol don't make me laugh
[2017-09-25 18:43] ID=13005 Daniel_Link: You don't spend millions developing a wallet
[2017-09-25 18:43] ID=13006 Daniel_Link: I can do it in a couple of months
[2017-09-25 18:43] ID=13007 Daniel_Link: And one that accepts eth too, not only btc
[2017-09-25 18:46] ID=13008 Daniel_Link: This scam is just like the bitcoin talk forum scam which said they were going to spend 1000 btcs in New forum software
[2017-09-25 18:46] ID=13009 Daniel_Link: When people asked for target of donations
[2017-09-25 18:50] ID=13010 Daniel_Link: Because that is what a scam means: you will not recover any funds
[2017-09-25 18:50] ID=13011 Daniel_Link: why no one take this to court or something
[2017-09-25 18:50] ID=13012 RE_ID=13006 Rassah: So do it
[2017-09-25 18:51] ID=13013 RE_ID=13005 Rassah: Mycelium isn't just a wallet company. \nThere's also Gear, Swish, a few other projects that didn't pan out, and the card, which took most money.
[2017-09-25 18:53] ID=13014 Rassah: Also, add it up: $75k/year per developer, with 5 developers, that's $375k/year at least. For cheap ones. Typically devs cost $90k or more. Add in managerial,operating (legal, accounting, etc), and other business costs, and you can easily burn through $500k a year or more.
[2017-09-25 20:12] ID=13015 Transisto: There thing is we've seen almost nothing from these 5 devs,  Wallet was supposed to be SPV, took forever to do CPFP, doesn't even do RBF.  And thank god for custom fees! (something very trivial to do)
[2017-09-25 20:58] ID=13016 Rassah: Yeah, that I totally agree with
[2017-09-26 01:41] ID=13017 ShortFatUglyDumb: I started finally using the fee slider. I like having thoz extra choices. But is there also a manual fee setting? I didn't c 1 @ 1st glance.
[2017-09-26 05:47] ID=13018 ImadL: How developers were making money before the crowdsale since everything is free in mycelium
[2017-09-26 05:49] ID=13019 RE_ID=13018 AROMACOMPUTERS: Salaries
[2017-09-26 06:34] ID=13020 Vas: None
[2017-09-26 06:34] ID=13021 ImadL: yes but the money is generated from where?
[2017-09-26 06:34] ID=13022 ImadL: from CEO own pocket?
[2017-09-26 06:34] ID=13023 ImadL: how they were making profit to pay employees
[2017-09-26 06:35] ID=13024 RE_ID=13022 DoubleYouSee23: ^
[2017-09-26 06:36] ID=13025 ImadL: 😨
[2017-09-26 06:36] ID=13026 ImadL: I see
[2017-09-26 07:23] ID=13027 ethbitsMarketingPR: Myscamlium will be ok guys. My 11 Mt will soon be worth 44k USD which is what my Bitcoin would have been worth
[2017-09-26 07:28] ID=13028 ethbitsMarketingPR: Lol what happened to the other ICO's they did like that mass crap. Took a few mill there too and delivered nada. What a bunch of frauds. No shame. I feel sorry for rassah getting caught up in it. Bieng the front man for a company that does this stuff sucks.
[2017-09-26 08:05] ID=13029 AROMACOMPUTERS: https://twitter.com/TuurDemeester/status/912475702133485568
[2017-09-26 14:04] ID=13030 RE_ID=13028 Rassah: Mass was someone else
[2017-09-26 16:35] ID=13031 Cript0Trader: None
[2017-09-26 19:50] ID=13032 Transisto: 
[2017-09-26 19:50] ID=13033 Transisto: Just reporting to on the "competition"
[2017-09-26 19:50] ID=13034 Rassah: Please don't use Jaxx
[2017-09-26 19:51] ID=13035 Rassah: Even if you don't use Mycelium, please use something else
[2017-09-26 19:51] ID=13036 Transisto: Mycelium for iPhone?
[2017-09-26 19:51] ID=13037 RE_ID=13036 Rassah: Airbitz or something of that quality
[2017-09-26 19:52] ID=13038 RE_ID=13034 AROMACOMPUTERS: ^^
[2017-09-26 19:52] ID=13039 Transisto: Copay just added Btrash support, fuck these guys
[2017-09-26 19:53] ID=13040 AROMACOMPUTERS: I hear good things about Samarai Wallet too
[2017-09-26 19:53] ID=13041 RE_ID=13039 AROMACOMPUTERS: Thats just bitpays stupid walet
[2017-09-26 19:54] ID=13042 Transisto: Yes, they pull out features fast too
[2017-09-26 19:54] ID=13043 Transisto: But are they open source?
[2017-09-26 19:54] ID=13044 RE_ID=13043 AROMACOMPUTERS: Could fork it away from bitpay I guess\nLol
[2017-09-26 19:55] ID=13045 Transisto: SamouraiWallet isn't open
[2017-09-26 19:55] ID=13046 AROMACOMPUTERS: It isnt?
[2017-09-26 19:56] ID=13047 Transisto: Is there a better way to make money than to hold shitcoin and charge people a shapeshift fee to convert them? Business model...
[2017-09-26 19:56] ID=13048 AROMACOMPUTERS: Ya mining
[2017-09-26 19:57] ID=13049 AROMACOMPUTERS: Scams will come and go a dime a dozen
[2017-09-26 19:57] ID=13050 Rassah: Copay is good too. They actually have a business model, a business incentive, and funding
[2017-09-26 19:58] ID=13051 Rassah: They were one of our considerations for switching to for Mycelium's own back end. We only didn't because it would have been too difficult to create plugins without exposing the private key to them
[2017-09-26 19:58] ID=13052 Transisto: I mean for mycelium\n....
[2017-09-26 19:58] ID=13053 Transisto: Is there a better way to make money than to hold shitcoin and charge people a shapeshift fee to convert them? Business model...
[2017-09-26 20:00] ID=13054 Rassah: Yes, the one I proposed a year ago that the ICO was based on
[2017-09-26 20:01] ID=13055 Rassah: The one that hasn't materialized yet, but I hope still will
[2017-09-26 20:07] ID=13056 Rassah: A unified financial platform that stores your signing keys in a very secure but accessible manner, with a rich, standardised API that allows anyone to write software on top of that platform that can implement those keys. So, a "wallet" that lets you extend its functionality with plugins from services like exchanges, merchant processors, financial accounting services, and other things beyond just finance. All running from a single app customized to specifically what you need. And the developers of such a platform would earn money by charging a fee to the businesses for giving them access to their platform. Similar to how Google makes money off the Google Play Store, where it offers the Android platform for free, but charges to sell through its app store.
[2017-09-26 20:07] ID=13057 Rassah: I still hope to see such a thing done, because I believe it would not only be able to generate a ton of revenue, but being first mover with network effects would end up completely dominating the entire market.
[2017-09-26 20:11] ID=13058 Nikhil Rindhe: None
[2017-09-26 20:52] ID=13059 thorbjorn: Sounds to me like something for a TREZOR, that all apps could interface with on their own.
[2017-09-26 21:23] ID=13060 RE_ID=13057 DoubleYouSee23: I too still hope this happens
[2017-09-27 08:45] ID=13061 ethbitsMarketingPR: On a phone does trezor work with MEW?
[2017-09-27 08:45] ID=13062 ethbitsMarketingPR: I guess not but never tried
[2017-09-27 08:57] ID=13063 DoubleYouSee23: Id ask in the  trezor room, but I don't know why it wouldn't.
[2017-09-27 09:11] ID=13064 thorbjorn: There's a Trezor room?
[2017-09-27 09:13] ID=13065 RE_ID=13064 AROMACOMPUTERS: There's so many rooms now
[2017-09-27 09:13] ID=13066 AROMACOMPUTERS: Telegram is on fire
[2017-09-27 09:13] ID=13067 thorbjorn: Hmm, but I typed Trezor in the search and only found @Trezor and @TrezorBot. Or don't rooms show up in search?
[2017-09-27 10:03] ID=13068 DoubleYouSee23: @trezortalk
[2017-09-27 11:18] ID=13069 thorbjorn: Thanks. I wonder how people find it, since it didn't appear in my search results.
[2017-09-27 11:20] ID=13070 DoubleYouSee23: @crypto is how I found pretty much every room I'm in
[2017-09-29 00:32] ID=13071 DRK_VDR: None
[2017-09-29 15:42] ID=13072 Antonio: None
[2017-09-29 15:44] ID=13073 Antonio: Hi, I've read here:  https://www.bitsonline.com/last-years-mycelium-crowdfund/ that the Mycelium Swish ICO was canceled and funds where returned, where can I ask for refund?
[2017-09-29 16:02] ID=13074 RE_ID=13057 DRK_VDR: Great points made. May I ask, do you think that the RMC ICO is an example of one of these ventures?
[2017-09-29 21:27] ID=13075 zaephe: None
[2017-09-29 21:30] ID=13076 zaephe: The lowest fees mycelium lets me pay are 0 sat and 5000 sat/byte. Still no way to fine tune.
[2017-09-29 21:39] ID=13077 DRK_VDR: Hey, can someone help on restoring colored coins acct?!? Thanks
[2017-10-01 01:35] ID=13078 dvbtc: Hi, i have a problem when u need send btc fractions I'm put the value, and show me the message red like as don't have founds, but I have founds I will send a video to check and fix it.
[2017-10-01 01:37] ID=13079 dvbtc: If you see in the video I have founds but mycelliun show red
[2017-10-01 01:39] ID=13080 dvbtc: 
[2017-10-01 03:10] ID=13081 Daniel_Link: Maybe sec is behind mycelium
[2017-10-01 03:11] ID=13082 Daniel_Link: How do you guys can protect yourselves against sec?
[2017-10-01 03:12] ID=13083 Daniel_Link: From the last two icos they filed chages to, it seems they didn't care about the terms just the lies they told they were going to use the funds to
[2017-10-01 03:12] ID=13084 Daniel_Link: Do you think you are at risk?
[2017-10-01 03:12] ID=13085 Daniel_Link: Rassah ?
[2017-10-01 03:13] ID=13086 Daniel_Link: One of these ICOs said they were going to buy diamons but no diamons were bought
[2017-10-01 03:38] ID=13087 CryptoSIAO: So shd i just throw away my mt coins?
[2017-10-01 03:38] ID=13088 CryptoSIAO: Its going no where
[2017-10-01 04:50] ID=13089 DoubleYouSee23: Heck ill take em of your giving em away
[2017-10-01 06:07] ID=13090 RE_ID=13073 ethbitsMarketingPR: Yeah I would like to know aldo
[2017-10-01 06:07] ID=13091 ethbitsMarketingPR: Also
[2017-10-01 06:58] ID=13092 RE_ID=13089 CryptoSIAO: Are u refering to me?
[2017-10-01 07:00] ID=13093 DoubleYouSee23: I was.
[2017-10-01 07:01] ID=13094 CryptoSIAO: Ok how much u planning to buy?
[2017-10-01 07:01] ID=13095 CryptoSIAO: For 1.1mt
[2017-10-01 07:04] ID=13096 ethbitsMarketingPR: I have 11.1 if anyone is interested ;) I'd probably get more money if I sold my 💩
[2017-10-01 07:04] ID=13097 CryptoSIAO: True
[2017-10-01 07:05] ID=13098 RE_ID=13094 DoubleYouSee23: Reread what you wrote and I replied to originally.
[2017-10-01 07:07] ID=13099 CryptoSIAO: I said im going to throw it away not giving it away. Reread what i wrote
[2017-10-01 08:45] ID=13100 thorbjorn: It's not rational. At least throw them to somebody who still has hope.
[2017-10-01 08:47] ID=13101 RE_ID=13096 Advanced: I have 11 too
[2017-10-01 08:47] ID=13102 Advanced: Let's make a burn party
[2017-10-01 11:30] ID=13103 CryptoSIAO: Ok lets do it
[2017-10-01 11:30] ID=13104 CryptoSIAO: Rassah left the team also
[2017-10-01 14:51] ID=13105 Antonio: Is it now safe to move the MT from Colu to Mycelium Wallet?
[2017-10-01 15:13] ID=13106 RE_ID=13105 DoubleYouSee23: Yes)
[2017-10-01 19:56] ID=13107 Bitcoinpromo: So I have followed the steps to access by bitcoincash and I now have 2 wallets Mycelium and Coinomi showing the same value of btc stored... do i get to spend from both wallets or i need to shutdown one for the other?
[2017-10-01 19:58] ID=13108 jandreske: You can use both, they should detect transactions made via the other automatically. Just make sure they are synced so you dont create transactions based on an outdated state, that might create confusion for you otherwise.
[2017-10-01 22:38] ID=13109 TheSatMan: I have backup of the COLU private key to my MT - is that enough...? what if the COLU site shots down? 😕
[2017-10-02 10:32] ID=13110 Maxxsaan: Colu is open source implementation ?
[2017-10-02 10:32] ID=13111 Maxxsaan: if you have the key you still havve access to the tokens
[2017-10-02 10:33] ID=13112 Maxxsaan: evn without the wallet, just not as simple
[2017-10-02 14:29] ID=13113 TheSatMan: Okay ... open source ... but where do the COLU coins actually exists? I mean like btc in the bitcoin blockchain ... where are the MT?
[2017-10-02 14:45] ID=13114 ethbitsMarketingPR: Guys my MT is on the ico page. What do I do from there?
[2017-10-02 15:06] ID=13115 RE_ID=13113 Rassah: COLU is on the bitcoin blockchain. Their transactions are recorded in bitcoin transactions
[2017-10-02 15:25] ID=13116 RE_ID=13115 TheSatMan: Ooh - i didnt realize that ... so the private key - is a bitcoin private key... 😊but i can only import the key into a bitcoin wallet which support COLU implementation ... or a regular wallet can import it ... but it will not show any thing ... right?
[2017-10-02 15:28] ID=13117 Rassah: Right. And if you import it into a regular wallet and use it to make a transaction, you can accidentally wipe out all your Colu tokens
[2017-10-02 15:28] ID=13118 Rassah: I didn't pick this system...
[2017-10-02 16:52] ID=13119 RE_ID=13117 TheSatMan: How can a user wipe out what exists in the bitcoin block chain? 🤔
[2017-10-02 17:45] ID=13120 Rassah: Break a link of recorded transactions. A Colu transaction includes extra text along with the bitcoin transaction telling Colu wallets where the tokens went.
[2017-10-02 17:48] ID=13121 ethbitsMarketingPR: Why is Rassah still in the Chanel though thats what I can not understand. Anyone can blame big salaries for the loss of funds but it is extremely easy for an ICO to raise 1 mill and then do what they say. 4 people on 100k a year for mycelium and everyone thinks it is not a scam lol
[2017-10-02 17:51] ID=13122 Rassah: I don't know why I'm still here
[2017-10-02 17:51] ID=13123 Rassah: Cause I want to support the customers and investors?
[2017-10-02 18:13] ID=13124 DoubleYouSee23: =(
[2017-10-03 07:21] ID=13125 duncan idaho: Anyone invest in RMC?
[2017-10-03 10:13] ID=13126 duncan idaho: I have sugestion to Mycelium team. Mycelium Tokens are useless now, no exchange, no dividends, no profits. Maybe can we exchange it to RMC tokens to buy miners and get some profits? Mycelium is one of partner with RMC project.
[2017-10-03 10:30] ID=13127 ???: None
[2017-10-03 23:48] ID=13128 TheSatMan: I have 10 MT / invested 10 BTC... 😕atm 45.000 USD ... in 5 years ... 500.000 USD lost ...😕😕🔨
[2017-10-04 00:16] ID=13129 sec ond: i have 15MT, seems all loss
[2017-10-04 02:08] ID=13130 ???: None
[2017-10-04 02:08] ID=13131 ???: Hello
[2017-10-04 02:11] ID=13132 ???: Someone who speaks Spanish
[2017-10-04 02:15] ID=13133 RE_ID=13128 JPCrypto: Fucking painful!!! 😱
[2017-10-04 06:02] ID=13134 RE_ID=13132 Advanced: Yo
[2017-10-04 09:39] ID=13135 AROMACOMPUTERS: What do ya'll think of Bitmain changing website to say they only accept Bcrash now?
[2017-10-04 09:58] ID=13136 RE_ID=13133 TheSatMan: Ooh yes... but not as painfull as not buying btc first time i watched it in year 2011 at 1 USD ... or ETH at 0,5 USD in 2015 ... but yes ... scams or what ever MT is ... sucks 😕 But i hope MT will become some thing - one day ... How can # 1 BTC wallet scam people ... It doesn't make any sense to me ... and may be the Company/people behold MC are of a mixed nature - or how to express it ... but no matter what ... the team all together has made a very popular product and continues to do so ... so why shouldn't MT be a good investment in 5 years? May be Im just naive... but i decide to keep my head up high 😊💪🏼
[2017-10-04 11:14] ID=13137 Advanced: 
[2017-10-04 11:26] ID=13138 RE_ID=13137 yanez72: 
[2017-10-04 12:05] ID=13139 RE_ID=13122 bitcoindude: Ive seen lots of project go south and their PR people crumble under the public backlash. You did an amazing job imo. 10/10 would hire to hurd the angry mobs if running a scam.
[2017-10-04 13:22] ID=13140 poundcakedotcom: Can you store MT on the iPhone version of mycelium wallet?  If so are there directions somewhere how to.  Thanks in advance.
[2017-10-04 13:28] ID=13141 jandreske: No, iPhone Version is a separate thing lacking most of the features.
[2017-10-04 13:32] ID=13142 poundcakedotcom: Thanks
[2017-10-04 17:41] ID=13143 RE_ID=13134 ???: Tu tienes conocimiento de Mycelium Gear?
[2017-10-04 20:49] ID=13144 DoubleYouSee23: Nice update
[2017-10-04 20:49] ID=13145 DoubleYouSee23: 
[2017-10-04 21:24] ID=13146 Daniel_Link: I got an idea for MT token
[2017-10-04 21:25] ID=13147 Daniel_Link: Put it as requirement (fee) to use your wallets, then you will see if people run away or they really like your wallet
[2017-10-04 21:25] ID=13148 Daniel_Link: Simple as that
[2017-10-04 21:25] ID=13149 Daniel_Link: If they are so good as you say they will support them
[2017-10-05 00:00] ID=13150 Daniel_Link: Personally I believe they are good but it is up to you
[2017-10-05 00:28] ID=13151 AROMACOMPUTERS: https://bitsonline.com/bitmain-accepting-bitcoin-cash/
[2017-10-05 06:13] ID=13152 ImadL: When we will see segwit update
[2017-10-05 08:42] ID=13153 Ivek66: yup where is segwit?
[2017-10-05 10:29] ID=13154 mishax1: I have importet the pkey feom colu with the MT balance to mycelium, yet I don't see the MT balance, is that normal ?
[2017-10-05 12:32] ID=13155 Lekandi: Direct download for Mycelium on its website doesnt work? Tried two different browsers
[2017-10-05 17:32] ID=13156 Rassah: @Giszmo will Mycelium be able to add replay protection for S2X with that 3Bits address in time for the fork? Or do you have any other plans?
[2017-10-05 19:32] ID=13157 ethbitsMarketingPR: I plan to sell my MT for 5k then go to Thailand and get ruimed
[2017-10-06 04:30] ID=13158 mishax1: I just used 17sat/byte to send MY, yet mycelium shows I used 7sat/byte , is that normal?
[2017-10-06 13:53] ID=13159 Polina_Emelianova: None
[2017-10-06 16:11] ID=13161 Ivek66: Dear Devs, is it possible to implement Segwit compatibility and option for sending to multiple addresses in one transaction due to 2x HF in November. Thnx. for info....
[2017-10-06 16:15] ID=13162 Rassah: @Giszmo  ^
[2017-10-06 16:30] ID=13163 Giszmo: @Ivek66 2x is getting closer indeed. SegWit is not related to replay protection as far as I know. "Sending to multiple addresses" meaning "adding replay protection using an additional dust output" is certainly the cheapest option thanks to them finally having merged this opt-in-UTXOset-inflating change. Generally permitting multiple recipients I don't see coming as a feature any time soon. I would love to see RBF with transaction merging as you send new transactions with old ones unconfirmed still around.
[2017-10-06 17:40] ID=13164 Ivek66: Thnx... I know that segwit is not related but would like to use Segwit account with Mycelium and not going through PC via Ledger app
[2017-10-07 06:24] ID=13165 Antonio: So, is this a thing or not? I sent an E-Mail to the Swish support without getting an answer..
[2017-10-07 06:24] ID=13166 Antonio: Hi, I've read here:  https://www.bitsonline.com/last-years-mycelium-crowdfund/ that the Mycelium Swish ICO was canceled and funds where returned, where can I ask for refund?
[2017-10-07 10:27] ID=13167 RE_ID=13166 idelo: I'm still waiting for mine
[2017-10-07 13:25] ID=13168 RE_ID=13167 DoubleYouSee23: No one got one, sadly
[2017-10-07 15:58] ID=13169 Rassah: Last time CEO told me people would get it was back in May
[2017-10-07 16:06] ID=13170 DoubleYouSee23: This is a much bogger deal than anything else that's happened with AK in my mind.  He OWES a refund for that, hands down.
[2017-10-07 17:40] ID=13171 RE_ID=13169 Talon8Ya: Rassah I really feel bad for you and others that got screwed over by the CEO and his cronies. Worse is the users who trusted that things would work out right and you got stuck in the middle.
[2017-10-07 17:44] ID=13172 Rassah: Thanks...
[2017-10-07 20:36] ID=13173 RE_ID=13172 DRK_VDR: Hey Rassah, I'm sure you're busy. Can you answer my previous question: Do you think that the RMC colored coin is part of the platform that Mycelium is trying to build? Or more likely that it will be like the MT token?\n\nYour insight is greatly appreciated, thanks
[2017-10-07 22:58] ID=13174 Rassah: I think RMC is some other company that Mycelium's CEO is friends with. I don't think it's Mycelium themselves
[2017-10-08 00:04] ID=13175 RE_ID=13174 DRK_VDR: Thanks sir!
[2017-10-08 12:29] ID=13176 Bahtcoin: Hi guys, do you know a way with Mycelium to spend small inputs in priority ? \n\nI could swipe the whole wallet, but I don't want to do it for privacy purpose.\n\nMaybe there is a spending strategy option that I missed ?
[2017-10-08 12:30] ID=13177 Bahtcoin: I have more and more small inputs in my wallet and when I spend, only the big ones newly arrived are used. \nSo the number of small inputs keeps increasing
[2017-10-08 16:55] ID=13178 RE_ID=13108 Bitcoinpromo: Appreci8
[2017-10-08 17:10] ID=13179 RE_ID=13177 Rassah: I think Mycelium uses an algorithm to figure out what inputs will give you the lowest transaction fee, but that may be based on an old fee model. I've noticed eventually it adds the small inputs to normal transactions.
[2017-10-08 17:10] ID=13180 Rassah: By no, there's no option to let you pick what inputs are used.
[2017-10-08 17:49] ID=13181 DoubleYouSee23: I found an interesting bug. If you archive your mycelium tokens and associated bitcoin account, mycelium will crash once you activate one of them.
[2017-10-08 17:49] ID=13182 DoubleYouSee23: (Not sure which one I activated that is causing the crash)
[2017-10-09 01:08] ID=13183 TheSatMan: After the next fork ... when what? I mean - what is the next big step for bitcoin? What do you think?
[2017-10-09 05:06] ID=13184 duncan idaho: new wallet isc crashing every run, after tow times is running normally
[2017-10-09 05:13] ID=13185 Godson_Mansa: how is my favourite scam doing ?
[2017-10-09 06:09] ID=13186 ZaCkRrr: Hmm
[2017-10-09 14:53] ID=13187 ???: None
[2017-10-10 09:04] ID=13188 RE_ID=13185 abra_xos: 😁 How much invested ?
[2017-10-10 18:50] ID=13189 bigdaddyX: Mass network a mycelium scam
[2017-10-10 18:53] ID=13190 DoubleYouSee23: I'm starting to wonder if there is an organized fud campaign against mycelium, the constantly repeated misinformation is getting old
[2017-10-10 18:54] ID=13191 DoubleYouSee23: The company fucked up, there are many many reasons to be upset with them, there is no.need to stretch the truth or spread rumors
[2017-10-10 18:56] ID=13192 RE_ID=13189 Rassah: I don't think it is
[2017-10-10 18:59] ID=13193 bigdaddyX: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1799232.0
[2017-10-10 18:59] ID=13194 Rassah: None of us in the Wallet division even knew about Mass or what it was when it was announced at the NY conference a year ago. I don't know if the CEO knows the Mass CEO, but he might have. Otherwise I don't think it was related to Mycelium in any way. I could be wrong, but I didn't see any evidence of a relationship at the time.
[2017-10-10 19:01] ID=13195 RE_ID=13190 Anomaly: This has been happening for quite a while now.
[2017-10-10 19:01] ID=13196 RE_ID=13193 Rassah: I've read that before, but there's nothing there to link Mycelium with it. At least not until it took over once old Mass dev team collapsed.
[2017-10-10 19:15] ID=13197 RE_ID=13177 Giszmo: Mycelium optimizes your fee for the current transaction, which in fact leads to dust accumulation. Best strategy to consolidate this dust during low fee phases is to send all to the same or a new account and yes, that has privacy implications. We don't currently and don't intent in the near future plan to add coin control as a feature.\n\nWe do on the other hand plan to provide privacy features that would allow to mix funds in a more or less intelligent way. For example there is no issue joining inputs if they belong to the same address.
[2017-10-10 19:16] ID=13198 RE_ID=13181 Giszmo: could you report that on our github, please?
[2017-10-10 19:19] ID=13199 RE_ID=13184 Giszmo: Will check the developer console for new crash reports. Please let me know if this might have been an old version as of a week ago, as we had issues there that are fixed in the latest version.
[2017-10-10 19:24] ID=13200 RE_ID=13197 Rassah: Any hope for CoinShuffle?
[2017-10-10 19:32] ID=13201 RE_ID=13198 DoubleYouSee23: Done. I'm not super familiar with github, but I'm sure that's right
[2017-10-10 19:33] ID=13202 DoubleYouSee23: I provided the info I have, but am not currently willing to reproduce the bug, so I can't give exact specifications
[2017-10-10 19:35] ID=13203 RE_ID=13194 bigdaddyX: Mass only collapsed after mycelium took over. Where are the 320btc as there has been no development since the ico completed. The original devs even complained. Kuzmin was supposed to be escrow, yet he became CEO and took the money.
[2017-10-10 20:25] ID=13204 RE_ID=13200 Giszmo: Not that I know of.
[2017-10-10 21:06] ID=13205 RE_ID=13203 Rassah: It collapsed before Mycelium took over. Mycelium CEO took over specifically because Mass fell apart, and he was hoping to save it.
[2017-10-10 21:07] ID=13206 Rassah: At least that's what we've been told...
[2017-10-11 11:07] ID=13207 bigdaddyX: Your last comment says it all.\nThe product was in alpha, ico then raised 320 btc. In the last week of the ico Kuzmin even changed ico terms to grab some last minute funds. Then nothing happened post ico.
[2017-10-11 11:09] ID=13208 bigdaddyX: Coins were issued but no further developments. The original devs were fired and the money disappeared. Kuzmin is also a convicted criminal and fraudsters. He has history. He lies to everyone. He will get what's coming.
[2017-10-11 13:07] ID=13209 RE_ID=13208 DoubleYouSee23: Links to.those.claims about Kuzmin?
[2017-10-11 13:09] ID=13210 bigdaddyX: http://rusnewsjournal.com/2/154217/
[2017-10-11 15:38] ID=13211 RE_ID=13208 Rassah: He wasn't convicted. That part I know about. He was a mayor of a Russian town his father founded, and in Russia opposing political parties win by bringing false charges against opponents. Kuzmin, who ran businesses at the time, was accused of using government funds for personal travel. He was put in jail for 4 months before he got his trial, and at the trial there wasn't any evidence that could convict him. So they just fined him a few $k and let him go. He's been anti-government ever since.
[2017-10-11 15:41] ID=13212 RE_ID=13210 Rassah: Weird. Other places I read about it said he was charged, but not convinced, and was in jail only a few months.
[2017-10-11 18:59] ID=13213 Stompy: 
[2017-10-11 21:04] ID=13214 kiselev2000: None
[2017-10-11 21:20] ID=13215 bp2233: None
[2017-10-11 21:21] ID=13216 adastreamer: None
[2017-10-11 21:47] ID=13217 zebbra2014: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a6zdpCXZHys Kuzmin?
[2017-10-12 08:04] ID=13218 Daniel_Link: It looks like Jeff Bezos lol
[2017-10-13 10:16] ID=13219 duncan idaho: Hey Mycelium, rmc token is on bitflip exchange, maybe mt also could be there, can you ask with this exchange?
[2017-10-13 15:09] ID=13220 crsvld: @Rassah any updates on development since ICO? project dead? can I cross it off?
[2017-10-13 15:27] ID=13221 RE_ID=13217 cvennekel: yeah
[2017-10-13 16:56] ID=13222 AROMACOMPUTERS: Ya know the devs are in here.  They can actually answer these questions.  If they would just speak up. IDK the point of asking Rassah when he would have to guess.
[2017-10-13 17:08] ID=13223 RE_ID=13219 DoubleYouSee23: Since MT represents an actual share on the mycelium company exchanges would have to go through more regulations to offer that service. This has been answered many times.
[2017-10-13 17:09] ID=13224 RE_ID=13220 DoubleYouSee23: Which project? Mycelium has updated several times this month.
[2017-10-13 17:17] ID=13225 RE_ID=13223 duncan idaho: What a bullshit :/
[2017-10-13 17:17] ID=13226 DoubleYouSee23: Talk to exchanges and tell them that.
[2017-10-13 17:18] ID=13227 RE_ID=13226 duncan idaho: Maybe CTO can talk with them not me? If i am token holder ehich represtn company value, where are dividends? where are financial reports?
[2017-10-13 17:19] ID=13228 DoubleYouSee23: 1. No. 2.No dividends until the company is profitable 3. I agree
[2017-10-13 17:58] ID=13229 RE_ID=13220 Rassah: Don't know. Quit in June
[2017-10-13 23:02] ID=13230 jt_navi: None
[2017-10-13 23:12] ID=13231 jt_navi: Does anyone know if I can send my MT tokens that I hold on colu to my droid mycelium wallet using the colu dashboard.  It appears that I would just select send to address , put in my  MT Token mycelium address and send?
[2017-10-13 23:25] ID=13232 RE_ID=13231 DoubleYouSee23: Make sure you use the colored coins address in Mycelium
[2017-10-13 23:26] ID=13233 DoubleYouSee23: 
[2017-10-13 23:26] ID=13234 DoubleYouSee23: In the settings
[2017-10-13 23:36] ID=13235 jt_navi: yEP, THANKS
[2017-10-13 23:36] ID=13236 jt_navi: yep thanks
[2017-10-13 23:47] ID=13237 KJ: Is everyone's mycelium frozen ?
[2017-10-13 23:47] ID=13238 KJ: Tried 3 different wallets
[2017-10-13 23:52] ID=13239 Rassah: Works for me. Android?
[2017-10-14 00:10] ID=13240 KJ: Yes
[2017-10-14 00:10] ID=13241 KJ: Impossible. exchange price not updating
[2017-10-14 00:10] ID=13242 KJ: Confirmed with several people
[2017-10-14 00:16] ID=13243 ???: I think it's an isolated issue, can't replicate it here.
[2017-10-14 00:16] ID=13244 ???: Check your settings.
[2017-10-14 00:17] ID=13245 Rassah: Working fine here, price and all
[2017-10-14 06:04] ID=13246 TheSatMan: What do you guys think about Bitcoin Gold? Price/value?\n\nSecond, do all alts decrease in price due to this or because of China?
[2017-10-14 06:23] ID=13247 RE_ID=13241 ShortFatUglyDumb: that happened 2 me 2day. another problem is Myc launch time taking way long. over a minute waiting 4 PINpad 2 appear b4 giving up. regular launch delay started w'in past cupl months. ideas?
[2017-10-14 07:18] ID=13248 RE_ID=13246 Rassah: What's bitcoin gold?
[2017-10-14 07:28] ID=13249 ShortFatUglyDumb: BTG - anothr Me Too fork happening soon, pre- B2X.
[2017-10-14 12:08] ID=13250 rawavocado: Hello
[2017-10-14 12:08] ID=13251 rawavocado: I sent some coins from a segwit address
[2017-10-14 12:08] ID=13252 rawavocado: To a mycelium wallet
[2017-10-14 12:08] ID=13253 rawavocado: And it did not show up until it got  1 conf
[2017-10-14 12:09] ID=13254 rawavocado: What up with your nodes?
[2017-10-14 16:59] ID=13255 Rassah: SegWit transactions aren't supported on Mycelium yet, so they probably don't show up until confirmed.
[2017-10-15 00:22] ID=13256 rawavocado: got it
[2017-10-15 00:22] ID=13257 rawavocado: thanks
[2017-10-15 02:49] ID=13258 RE_ID=13255 ShortFatUglyDumb: Yes, that's standard behavior when sending SegWit 2 non-SegWit.
[2017-10-15 03:04] ID=13259 Daniel_Link: 
[2017-10-15 03:07] ID=13260 RE_ID=13259 Rassah: 
[2017-10-15 03:07] ID=13261 Rassah: FIFY
[2017-10-15 13:43] ID=13262 Jiannis Skoump: None
[2017-10-15 13:44] ID=13263 Jiannis Skoump: Hello
[2017-10-15 22:09] ID=13264 RE_ID=13263 ShortFatUglyDumb: Greetings.
[2017-10-15 22:09] ID=13265 ShortFatUglyDumb: I seem 2 have faster launch times after switching 2 another exchange from BitcoinAverage.
[2017-10-16 12:34] ID=13266 TheSatMan: How do we easiest/fastest get our btc gold? Via what software? Is hardware wallets the ones who come up with the functionality to split up fastest? Or??
[2017-10-16 12:36] ID=13267 Maxxsaan: yeah trezor was on the ball last time but
[2017-10-16 12:37] ID=13268 Maxxsaan: I would be careful generally
[2017-10-16 12:37] ID=13269 Maxxsaan: the most important thing is to not loose your funds.
[2017-10-16 16:16] ID=13270 Neo Cortex: None
[2017-10-16 16:16] ID=13271 Neo Cortex: What's the current market price of Mycelium token?
[2017-10-16 17:21] ID=13272 TheSatMan: ZERO
[2017-10-17 01:36] ID=13273 rawavocado: So why are you not supporting segwit yet?
[2017-10-17 07:07] ID=13274 RE_ID=13272 YoRo Yoro: Why so negative? It's price 100 BTC but nobody wants to pay it )
[2017-10-17 07:50] ID=13275 RE_ID=13274 TheSatMan: In 10 years - May be...😂🙌🏼\n\nThen i have 1.000 BTC ... Its okay 😜🤑
[2017-10-17 08:49] ID=13276 mishax1: Mycelium crashes whan using 'pay in app' , but the tx goes through..
[2017-10-17 11:13] ID=13277 Advanced: Anybody interested in buying MT at bargain?
[2017-10-17 14:59] ID=13278 cawarbux: None
[2017-10-17 14:59] ID=13279 RE_ID=13277 DoubleYouSee23: Might want to mention your price.
[2017-10-17 15:00] ID=13280 Advanced: 2 btc for 11 mt
[2017-10-17 15:03] ID=13281 DoubleYouSee23: You paid $4,400. You want $11,220. Forgive me for not seeing a deal.
[2017-10-17 16:22] ID=13282 RE_ID=13281 thecryptofiend: Not correct he and everyone else bought in BTC not dollars so it would have been 11 BTC - had he held those 11 BTC it would be worth 55K+.  Still doesn't make sense though price wise.  Who wants to buy a dead token?  Even 0.1BTC is too much.  Just have to write this off as a mistake and never invest in anything that Mycellium does ever again.
[2017-10-17 16:23] ID=13283 thecryptofiend: If I every see them trying to raise BTC for anything again I will be telling everyone what happened with the MT tokens.
[2017-10-17 18:34] ID=13284 RE_ID=13283 abra_xos: Thankfully they won't...
[2017-10-17 18:35] ID=13285 thorbjorn: It makes zero sense to tie the value of MT to BTC, even if that is what you paid with.
[2017-10-17 20:18] ID=13286 RE_ID=13285 thecryptofiend: Why?  You can only really tie something to the value of the thing you use to buy it.  Anything else makes zero sense.
[2017-10-17 20:19] ID=13287 thecryptofiend: You can't tie it to a dollar value because you couldn't buy it with dollars.
[2017-10-17 20:33] ID=13288 Rassah: You tie everything to the most stable value of goods. A BTC going up doesn't mean the value of everything else is going down. USD is just the most stable thing for now
[2017-10-17 20:35] ID=13289 RE_ID=13288 thecryptofiend: No you tie it to whatever you need to use to buy it otherwise it makes no sense.  Since the way the tokens were priced was one token =1 BTC you tie it to BTC.  Don't see how people find that strange.
[2017-10-17 20:42] ID=13290 thecryptofiend: Anyway however you value them right now they are worth nothing.
[2017-10-17 20:56] ID=13291 Rassah: You can use USD to buy it, just by converting USD to BTC. Value is what matters, not the medium of exchange
[2017-10-17 20:56] ID=13292 Rassah: Since they were bought at 1BTC each, you wouldn't value them as being equal to $5,700, right?
[2017-10-17 21:09] ID=13293 RE_ID=13286 thorbjorn: Only of what you by with has a stable value.
[2017-10-17 21:09] ID=13294 RE_ID=13291 thecryptofiend: This is a nonsensical argument you are saying that value is what matters but only value in USD.  Further your example just illustrates my point.  You had to buy in BTC.  When you invest BTC in something you would expect it to perform better than BTC otherwise it is a failure.  When ou have two options you either keep it or you convert it/invest it.  If the item you convert it into performs worse than the BTC then it is a bad investment.  Don't understand how that is so hard to understand.  Say you had intended to invest 10 BTC, if you had kept it as BTC and not invested you would still have 10 BTC.
[2017-10-17 21:10] ID=13295 RE_ID=13293 thecryptofiend: Nothing has a stable value so this argument doesn't make sense.
[2017-10-17 21:10] ID=13296 RE_ID=13294 Rassah: No, I said value in some stable medium of exchange matters. We can use Big Macs if you want
[2017-10-17 21:11] ID=13297 Rassah: Nothing has a perfectly stable value, but some things are more correlated to everything else than others. All value is relative, so you want the medium that has the best correlation to everything else
[2017-10-17 21:11] ID=13298 RE_ID=13296 thecryptofiend: There is no stable medium of exchange.  The value of everything fluctuates so that doesn't really make sense.
[2017-10-17 21:12] ID=13299 Rassah: It does to every accountant and financial manager. That's why they use dollars or their local currencies instead of bitcoins. Even bitcoin businesses.
[2017-10-17 21:12] ID=13300 RE_ID=13299 thecryptofiend: Then why use Bitcoins for the token sale?
[2017-10-17 21:13] ID=13301 thecryptofiend: Kind of negates that argument.
[2017-10-17 21:13] ID=13302 RE_ID=13300 Rassah: Because it's easier to accept from around the world than using traditional banking
[2017-10-17 21:13] ID=13303 Rassah: The value was arbitrary anyway. Why lock the token price at $476?
[2017-10-17 21:14] ID=13304 Rassah: Why is nothing priced in nothing yet?
[2017-10-17 21:14] ID=13305 RE_ID=13302 thecryptofiend: Possibly.  But there is likely more money availble as actual regular cash.
[2017-10-17 21:14] ID=13306 Rassah: ... so?
[2017-10-17 21:15] ID=13307 RE_ID=13303 thecryptofiend: You are countering your own argument.  The token price was not locked at any dollar amount was it.  It was locked to 1 bitcoin.
[2017-10-17 21:15] ID=13308 Rassah: It was. There price was locked at the value of bitcoin in dollars at the end of the sale
[2017-10-17 21:15] ID=13309 thecryptofiend: It was 1 bitcoin per token at the end.
[2017-10-17 21:15] ID=13310 Rassah: At the beginning, not the end
[2017-10-17 21:16] ID=13311 thecryptofiend: In order to be locked at a dollar value payment would have to be in dollars.
[2017-10-17 21:16] ID=13312 Rassah: Any value increase over that USD value would be what got paid out as the "option" or whatever
[2017-10-17 21:16] ID=13313 thecryptofiend: Who paid in dollars?
[2017-10-17 21:16] ID=13314 RE_ID=13311 Rassah: That doesn't make sense
[2017-10-17 21:16] ID=13315 thecryptofiend: Nothing you say is making sense.
[2017-10-17 21:17] ID=13316 Rassah: I can pay for something in Euros, knowing how much it costs in dollars, and then sell it for dollars to make a profit
[2017-10-17 21:17] ID=13317 Rassah: At least a dollar profit
[2017-10-17 21:17] ID=13318 RE_ID=13316 thecryptofiend: Irrelevant.
[2017-10-17 21:17] ID=13319 RE_ID=13318 Rassah: Not at all. You can have something be locked in a dollar value even if you use other currency to pay for it
[2017-10-17 21:18] ID=13320 RE_ID=13319 thecryptofiend: It's irrelevant to the person paying in Bitcoin.  Anyway let's leave it there we aren't going to agree.
[2017-10-17 21:18] ID=13321 Rassah: In the case of MT, at the sale end MT value was locked in USD amount, based on what BTC was worth in USD at that point
[2017-10-17 21:19] ID=13322 thecryptofiend: I think what we can agree on is that it is pretty much dead now and unlikely to come back.
[2017-10-17 21:19] ID=13323 Rassah: You agree that all value is relative to all other value, but disagree that you can't use one value to compare something to another value...
[2017-10-17 21:20] ID=13324 Rassah: I don't know if MT is completely dead. Development is progressing. But it's over a year behind now. I was hoping to have BitcoinJ available in December of last year. Don't know what the issue is
[2017-10-17 21:20] ID=13325 RE_ID=13323 thecryptofiend: I don't even know what you are saying there.  Like I said we are not going to agree.
[2017-10-17 21:22] ID=13326 RE_ID=13325 Rassah: I'm just saying that anything can be priced in any other currency. I can give you a price of BTC in USD, EUR, CAD, YEN, and dozens of other currencies. I can likewise give you the price of MT in BTC, USD, and dozens of other currencies. Sticking only to BTC doesn't make sense.
[2017-10-17 21:24] ID=13327 RE_ID=13326 thecryptofiend: Just because you can price something in another currency does not make it a fair comparison though.  It makes most sense to me to tie it to whatever item you had to use to make the exchange because if you didn't make the exchange that is what you would have.  How does that not make sense?
[2017-10-17 21:26] ID=13328 Rassah: That does make sense
[2017-10-17 21:29] ID=13329 Rassah: Comparing investments against each other is fine. BTC grew in value more than MT. But you can compare both to the USD to get a more accurate result. Like, if you compared BTC to LTC with nothing else, you would think your BTC lost you a whole lot of value, since LTC grew 1415%, while BTC grew only 722%. But that's obviously not true. BTC holders are much richer compared to what they can actually buy (compared to USD)
[2017-10-17 21:31] ID=13330 thecryptofiend: OK so perhaps we are not in complete disagreement.  I'm just looking at it from an investment point of view.  Anyway I do hope something comes from the project eventually.
[2017-10-17 21:31] ID=13331 thecryptofiend: Also just to be clear I appreciate all the time and effort you have put in.  To be honest I don't even know why you are still so kind to them.  Looks like you were treated pretty badly.
[2017-10-17 21:32] ID=13332 Rassah: Me too. But, I would hope everyone investing knew that you can't beat BTC as investment long term.
[2017-10-17 21:32] ID=13333 Rassah: I was treated okay
[2017-10-17 21:33] ID=13334 Rassah: And as I said, I like and believe in the devs there. I hired them.
[2017-10-17 21:33] ID=13335 RE_ID=13332 thecryptofiend: That is the thing we gamble on I suppose but we all knew that going in so can't be too bitter.
[2017-10-17 21:33] ID=13336 RE_ID=13334 thecryptofiend: 👍
[2017-10-17 21:34] ID=13337 RE_ID=13332 thecryptofiend: Lol if only I had a time machine and I could go back and buy BTC for pennies!
[2017-10-17 21:34] ID=13338 thecryptofiend: Personally I think we could hit 10K by the end of next year if not more.
[2017-10-19 02:30] ID=13339 RE_ID=13247 Giszmo: with the tokens came a query to the colored coin server that is not run in the background I think. At startup, some internet traffic is delaying everything.
[2017-10-19 02:33] ID=13340 RE_ID=13276 Giszmo: could you elaborate? or best open an issue on github? We will be much more active on github now. Just moved our git server needs there, with company account.
[2017-10-19 03:43] ID=13341 ShortFatUglyDumb: Thanks, Leo. Yeah, I had the "sense" there was some internet access/activity of some kind at startup cre8ing the delay.
[2017-10-19 19:57] ID=13342 CrytoCharly: None
[2017-10-20 22:13] ID=13343 Transisto: 
[2017-10-20 22:13] ID=13344 Transisto: This actually happens quite often
[2017-10-20 22:54] ID=13345 Rassah: I don't know what that is :(
[2017-10-21 10:12] ID=13346 ShortFatUglyDumb: Looks like the Myc send screen - specifying the amount. That should prolly say "USD" on the top line (with background), which equates to the lower-line BTC amount.
[2017-10-21 15:38] ID=13347 RE_ID=13343 Giszmo: which exchange are you using?
[2017-10-21 15:43] ID=13348 Transisto: Irrelevant, it's showing BTC value in BTC
[2017-10-21 15:44] ID=13349 Transisto: It should never do that
[2017-10-22 17:57] ID=13350 zaephe: "Unable to broadcast"?
[2017-10-22 18:03] ID=13351 zaephe: Transaction won't confirm, can't send any more transactions, wallet broken.
[2017-10-22 18:03] ID=13352 zaephe: Can't bump fee either.
[2017-10-22 18:08] ID=13353 zaephe: Maybe I can roll back to an earlier version.
[2017-10-22 18:31] ID=13354 Rassah: Can you select the account and select Reload Account from the menu?
[2017-10-22 18:32] ID=13355 RE_ID=13354 zaephe: Yes, that seemed to work. THX
[2017-10-22 18:39] ID=13356 Rassah: @Giszmo any idea why the wallet now takes 10 seconds plus just to start? It was supposed to be a quick, light client. That's why it wasn't SPV at first.
[2017-10-22 18:45] ID=13357 RE_ID=13356 Giszmo: some code related to tokens queries servers at start.
[2017-10-22 20:21] ID=13358 Rassah: I wish that would be queried after start in the background
[2017-10-22 20:38] ID=13359 zaephe: Are transactions not being sent at all now?
[2017-10-22 20:39] ID=13360 zaephe: Explorers don't show anything hitting the network.
[2017-10-22 20:55] ID=13361 zaephe: Or maybe the server is blocking me because it thinks my earlier transactions are conflicting.
[2017-10-22 20:59] ID=13362 zaephe: Yup, that must be it.
[2017-10-22 20:59] ID=13363 RE_ID=13354 zaephe: That clears the tx locally, but can't broadcast a new one with a higher fee through Mycelium.
[2017-10-22 21:00] ID=13364 zaephe: And can't get the rawtransaction either.
[2017-10-22 21:47] ID=13365 zaephe: What custom derivation path do I use with https://bip32jp.github.io/english/ ?  I tried whats in https://support.mycelium.com/hc/en-us/articles/206362319-Hierarchical-Deterministic-Wallets  but not working.
[2017-10-22 22:51] ID=13366 zaephe: How long does it take before it changes from unconfirmed to "Unable to broadcast"?
[2017-10-23 01:34] ID=13367 TheSatMan: Vote:\n\n1. Big BTC sell off - after BTC Gold?\n2. Big BTC sell off - after BTC SEGx2?\n3. Big BTC sell off - after both?\n4. No BTC sell off - at all?\n\nWhat do YOU think - pick a number!
[2017-10-23 01:35] ID=13368 Rassah: 2 for me
[2017-10-23 02:48] ID=13369 ShortFatUglyDumb: vote: 4
[2017-10-23 02:49] ID=13370 RE_ID=13358 ShortFatUglyDumb: Or not queried at all, 4 thoz of us not using tokens in Myc.
[2017-10-23 05:21] ID=13371 dvbtc: When segwit 😡
[2017-10-23 05:22] ID=13372 RE_ID=13343 dvbtc: I have the same problem.
[2017-10-23 06:48] ID=13375 RE_ID=13365 ShortFatUglyDumb: There's a handy setting in Mycelium - enable it to show the actual derivation path used by your HD keyset.
[2017-10-23 14:55] ID=13376 Transisto: Who's the asshat deleting my posts?
[2017-10-23 14:56] ID=13377 Transisto: I'm not promoting other wallet I'm pointing out their state of development. To wake Mycelium dev a bit, if any are still alive.
[2017-10-23 14:58] ID=13378 Transisto: Other wallets push update almost twice a month, but there isn't enough data to know if Mycelium is pushing update once every 6 month or every year.
[2017-10-23 15:00] ID=13379 DoubleYouSee23: Mycelium has updated 3-4 times this month alone, not sure what you trying to imply.
[2017-10-23 16:11] ID=13380 Rassah: The Change Log really should have dates in it along with version numbers
[2017-10-23 16:55] ID=13381 Transisto: @DoubleYouSee23 had not seen the last one. Maybe I'm also looking more are updates that improve cryptocurrency transfers and not add ICO advertisement.   I'm still 3 version behind and could only feel safe that way.
[2017-10-23 16:58] ID=13383 Rassah: The updates have been for various bug fixes. I think there was one that also records the price that your transaction was at at the time of the transaction.
[2017-10-23 17:17] ID=13384 DoubleYouSee23: Ohh that's cool
[2017-10-23 17:26] ID=13385 wksantiago: @Rassah support for Bitcoin gold?
[2017-10-23 17:30] ID=13386 Rassah: Me? I don't. Stupid idea with a stupid reason.
[2017-10-23 17:32] ID=13387 Rassah: Taking hashing away from specialized mining hardware to "decentralize it among the people" will just centralize it among those who have the most powerful general computing platforms. Probably NSA and such.
[2017-10-23 17:40] ID=13388 RE_ID=13387 duncan idaho: Do you think NSA didn't produce their own asic?
[2017-10-23 17:41] ID=13389 duncan idaho: IMO all bitcoin idea is cia/nsa product ;)
[2017-10-23 18:06] ID=13390 RE_ID=13388 Rassah: No, I do not. It would be difficult to come up with enough ASIC chips without someone noticing
[2017-10-23 18:08] ID=13391 RE_ID=13390 duncan idaho: Bitfury have nice equipemnt like a 7.5 PH container but, still china had mosr hashing power with "home made" antminers, I dont belive that  AMD or NVIDIA didn't produce own chips in cooperation with governments.
[2017-10-23 18:19] ID=13392 Rassah: Maybe they did, but they would still need to have a massive amount of hardware, invested in from scratch, to have any influence on the network. I doubt they would invest in mining for what little it gets them.
[2017-10-23 18:20] ID=13393 Rassah: With Bitcoin Gold they already have the computers, and can use them for mining or anything else
[2017-10-23 21:40] ID=13394 RE_ID=13368 ZaCkRrr: Care to explain ? Last time btc did pump after segwit locking . im thinking another rally will start soon enough after segwit2x settle down.how bout you?
[2017-10-23 22:19] ID=13395 RE_ID=13394 Rassah: I'm guessing that after the Bitcoin Cash fork being successful and everyone getting free money, people are buying up BTC before the fork in hopes of having the same result, where they'll be able to get free money from the S2X fork
[2017-10-24 02:16] ID=13396 ZaCkRrr: so it is possible people dumping s2x for btc right
[2017-10-24 02:20] ID=13397 Emoji_Nakamoto: not really how that works fam
[2017-10-24 03:04] ID=13398 RE_ID=13396 Rassah: After the fork, yeah
[2017-10-24 03:05] ID=13399 Rassah: I suspect there will be a lot of dumping. Maybe even both ways
[2017-10-24 06:35] ID=13400 Rassah: @Giszmo Can you explain how the SPV in Testnet Wallet works please?
[2017-10-24 06:39] ID=13401 ZaCkRrr: When mycellium will support segwit address ??
[2017-10-24 08:45] ID=13402 RE_ID=13375 zaephe: found it!
[2017-10-24 08:58] ID=13403 RE_ID=13383 ShortFatUglyDumb: Oh, I was wondering abt that, thx. I like it bc it's white, since I have trouble seeing the faint red amounts sharply, & the amounts aren't available on the details pages.
[2017-10-24 14:00] ID=13404 RE_ID=13358 Giszmo: I wish that would not be queried at all until I care about tokens ;) But that will be how it will work once modularization gets there.
[2017-10-24 14:03] ID=13405 RE_ID=13366 Giszmo: Unable to broadcast should have been rather instant (or max 30s) for any 1sat/B transaction until yesterday. Our full nodes rejected everything below 5sat/B. I set that threshold to 0.9sat/B to permit our 1sat/B transactions plus 10% "rounding errors". The 0sat/B I highly recommend not to use at all.
[2017-10-24 14:05] ID=13406 RE_ID=13376 Giszmo: Not me but if that is how you talk about those with the power to do so, ... *shrug*
[2017-10-24 14:20] ID=13407 RE_ID=13400 Giszmo: It's quite rough around the edges and you probably will have to wipe your data and create a new wallet to make it work for various reasons.\n\nIf you added token accounts, it crashes. If you have a wallet that is older than August this year, it will not find all your transactions.\n\nCold wallet spending will either crash or not work. Same with single address accounts.\n\nThat said, the idea is that mbw detects spvmodule (or not, in which case you have to install that, too. Link is provided). It shares the bitcoin private key (coin level xpriv. currently we use a hack and share the masterseed but that is definitely going to be fixed before we go mainnet) with it and is in charge of your bitcoin needs from there on. Receiving transactions. Sending transactions. Signing transactions. In turn, this functionality will be stripped out of mbw. Dash and bch modules are in the works and will get the respective xprivs to do their cointype's part. bch unfortunately is btc xpriv but anyway, if you don't trust the bch module devs, you can just not install that module and do stuff manually. If you don't trust dash devs, you will not be affected by the addition of dash untill you do and install the module.
[2017-10-24 14:23] ID=13408 Giszmo: I imagine coldwallet features to be a new module that you get recommended to install as soon as you try to use a coldwallet feature.\n\nAs soon as we have figured out how to do BTC+DASH, the code will be out there for other alts to jump at it and add modules. We will still have to allow the pairing but integration will be low risk, with minimal changes. No big libraries to add. Just some BLACOIN logo, some strings, some link to the playstore, a config to pair apk X signed by authors Y. Done. At least so is the plan.
[2017-10-24 14:26] ID=13409 Rassah: Nice to finally see progress on this guys. Wish you could've had some while I was still there 😁
[2017-10-24 17:37] ID=13410 RE_ID=13405 zaephe: It seemed it wasn't broadcasting because of a conflicting transaction in the mempool. The expected behavior would be to be able to use the new transaction with the higher fee.
[2017-10-24 18:04] ID=13411 Transisto: Would be great for mycelium to allow to import segwit xpub,
[2017-10-24 18:19] ID=13412 DoubleYouSee23: it would be cool to know how much of a priority this is
[2017-10-24 18:21] ID=13413 AROMACOMPUTERS: I use Gear myself... For me to use segwit, I need Gear to be updated.
[2017-10-24 18:23] ID=13414 AROMACOMPUTERS: The work never ends for you all
[2017-10-24 19:56] ID=13415 RE_ID=13410 Giszmo: New transactions with higher fee only propagates to the miners if the original transaction was flagged replace by fee (RBF). If not, rejection is the expected behavior.\n\nI would love to see all our transactions that are not high fee without unconfirmed inputs to be RBF by default but they are not yet.
[2017-10-24 20:09] ID=13416 RE_ID=13415 Rassah: That (rbf) actually forces BitPay and Coinbase to force you to wait for a confirmation for any merchant purchases. Without it you can still get stuff before a confirmation
[2017-10-24 20:10] ID=13417 Giszmo: meh
[2017-10-24 20:11] ID=13418 Giszmo: so if you want to get treated as if the transaction was already confirmed, you should not tag it replaceable, sure but if you want that treatment, you better make sure it doesn't get swallowed by some network surge for the next three days.
[2017-10-24 20:12] ID=13419 Giszmo: in other words, if you don't pay for next block confirmation, you don't deserver next second treatment.
[2017-10-24 20:12] ID=13420 Rassah: For small amounts that should be fine though
[2017-10-24 20:15] ID=13421 Giszmo: There are ways to work around this limitation (known third party signs the 2of2 that guarantees you will not remove outputs for example) but long term all this is not relevant. zero conf was nice as long as it lasted and in many cases it still does but now we have to look forward to lightning and other forms of assured instant payments for small and big amount.
[2017-10-24 20:17] ID=13422 Rassah: I'm not sure I'll ever be willing to use Lightning
[2017-10-24 20:17] ID=13423 Rassah: For one, moving my money to a channel itself worries me about needing to link my addresses and exposing my privacy
[2017-10-24 20:18] ID=13424 Rassah: Oh, Leo, maybe you can help me with a LN question
[2017-10-24 20:21] ID=13425 Rassah: If transaction fees get really high after a ton of new adoption, let's say 100 mBTC, I get a paycheck of 110mBTC on the LN network, and then the LN node where my coins are "locked" decides to screw with my money, does that mean I would have to spend 100mBTC to get my 10mBTC back?
[2017-10-24 20:51] ID=13426 crsvld: Hey Rassah, what's the best way to recover some of my BTC from ICO now? Any legal ways to sue the team, what do you think?
[2017-10-24 20:51] ID=13427 crsvld: Where is the team of Mucelium located?
[2017-10-24 20:51] ID=13428 crsvld: Iin Cyprus right?
[2017-10-24 20:55] ID=13429 crsvld: I guess I will have to browse the dark market for some guys to send a message
[2017-10-24 20:56] ID=13430 crsvld: to let the mycelium team know that the millions of $ spent on vacations hurt their investors
[2017-10-24 21:07] ID=13431 Rassah: Millions of $ spent on vacations? What? It was like $10k or less on a business retreat. Once, where devs could come together to meet each other for the first time
[2017-10-24 21:09] ID=13432 Rassah: I don't know where the team is located. The corporation (paper contract) is in Latvia I think? But the developers are scattered all over the world. They all work remotely from home. Same for all managers and CEO I think.
[2017-10-24 21:11] ID=13433 Rassah: As for how to recover, I don't know. You could try selling it, or wait a bit, since devs seem to be finally coming out with the modular version that was planned in the token sale, and hope that they get some value finally.
[2017-10-24 21:12] ID=13434 Rassah: Doubt a lawsuit would work, since there's not much to sue for (you invested, not loaned), and I don't know if the company has any money to pay out in such a lawsuit.
[2017-10-24 21:14] ID=13435 RE_ID=13425 Giszmo: of course but that should be part of the channel pricing. So if both agree to pay 20mBTC to have a total of 40mBTC for the payout transaction and then the prices surge on the network, you will negotiate to up that to 25, 30, 35 each, so at the point where the other end of your channel disappears (or tries to scam you), you already have his signature to pay his share of the fee and you can adapt that fee up and down every minute at virtually no cost.
[2017-10-24 22:54] ID=13436 RE_ID=13422 AROMACOMPUTERS: LN is a wet dream.\nI doubt I will ever willingly use it
[2017-10-24 23:00] ID=13437 RE_ID=13435 Rassah: What if the fee goes above what you actually have? That's what I'm wondering
[2017-10-24 23:07] ID=13438 Giszmo: then you will (temporarily) have no net value in the channel. Nothing new here. Happens without LN, too.
[2017-10-24 23:07] ID=13439 Rassah: I think you will have value, but be forced to use your money how the channel node operator decides you should. It's that or nothing
[2017-10-24 23:09] ID=13440 Rassah: My big worry is that we may end up with a few of such "fiat" bitcoins
[2017-10-24 23:11] ID=13441 Giszmo: my hope is that those nodes that do KYC/AML will not be able to compete with those that don't.
[2017-10-24 23:12] ID=13442 Giszmo: privacy, low fees, mixing, fungibility, ease of use, ...
[2017-10-24 23:13] ID=13443 RE_ID=13441 Rassah: Selling data to advertisers and government...
[2017-10-24 23:13] ID=13444 Giszmo: well, only those that do kyc/aml can sell data. the others don't have data.
[2017-10-24 23:14] ID=13445 Giszmo: there will be nodes on tor that charge negative fees and don't ask questions and there will be those on the clear net that will force arbitrary limits on you and charge high fees.
[2017-10-24 23:20] ID=13446 zaephe: How come mycelium doesnt support RBF ?
[2017-10-24 23:48] ID=13447 Giszmo: it detects it. full support is not trivial.
[2017-10-24 23:51] ID=13448 Giszmo: you have to keep all unconfirmed transactions around and if state 3 of 5 gets confirmed, you need the diff as a new transaction. mix that with hardware wallets that can't just sign stuff for you in the background cause some tx got confirmed.
[2017-10-25 00:12] ID=13449 Ivek66: My all walets are out of sync on all phones. Is there any problem with spv nodes at the moment? I do not see option to change node. Tradeblock is showing correct smounts but MC is out of sync. Internet works ok....
[2017-10-25 00:54] ID=13450 JuanSGalt: None
[2017-10-25 00:54] ID=13451 JuanSGalt: howdy
[2017-10-25 00:54] ID=13452 JuanSGalt: was just about to ask the same
[2017-10-25 00:54] ID=13453 JuanSGalt: my wallet is on sync again now tho
[2017-10-25 00:56] ID=13454 Rassah: You may be able to shut down and restart the wallet, and hope it connects to a different node
[2017-10-25 01:18] ID=13455 JuanSGalt: Got it ty
[2017-10-25 01:26] ID=13456 JuanSGalt: annoying question
[2017-10-25 01:26] ID=13457 JuanSGalt: is mycelium
[2017-10-25 01:26] ID=13458 JuanSGalt: going to follow the chain with longest POW
[2017-10-25 01:27] ID=13459 JuanSGalt: or the one developed by core?
[2017-10-25 01:36] ID=13460 Rassah: Core
[2017-10-25 03:40] ID=13461 RE_ID=13460 chrisguida: Excellent :)
[2017-10-25 03:41] ID=13462 Rassah: Not sure there will be replay protection. Not sure if S2X will still happen. Not sure about anything anymore.
[2017-10-25 05:25] ID=13463 ShortFatUglyDumb: If Myc eventually implements RBF sends, pls make it optional. Thx. I might like 2 uz it, or not.
[2017-10-25 13:35] ID=13464 Giszmo: Rassah is probably right. I mean I hope so. 2x is looking more ridiculous every day. I asked for a company statement but so far it's "let's schedule a meeting".
[2017-10-25 13:37] ID=13465 Giszmo: A scary vulnerability that somehow went under my radar should justify to not use your bluetooth, at least not in public if you value your phone not getting hacked.\n\nhttps://www.theverge.com/2017/9/12/16294904/bluetooth-hack-exploit-android-linux-blueborne
[2017-10-25 16:15] ID=13466 RE_ID=13460 JuanSGalt: Excellent, ty. Yea weird times.
[2017-10-25 16:48] ID=13467 chrisguida: @Rassah I just sent a transaction from a segwit wallet to mycelium, about 10 minutes ago, and it hasn't shown up yet...  did I just make a mistake?
[2017-10-25 16:51] ID=13468 chrisguida: Okay wait, it just got confirmed, and now I see it in mycelium, nvm 😅
[2017-10-25 18:35] ID=13469 Rassah: Yeah, I think SW transactions are not standard, so old clients don't know what they are and don't acknowledge them until they actually get confirmed
[2017-10-25 18:49] ID=13470 ivglavas: Hi guys! Is there anything we should wait and keep our mt tokens passwords?
[2017-10-25 18:49] ID=13471 ivglavas: Or whole project is stopped and we have nothingto do withthem?
[2017-10-26 11:03] ID=13472 RE_ID=13469 ShortFatUglyDumb: That's my understanding as well.
[2017-10-26 15:26] ID=13473 ???: None
[2017-10-26 15:50] ID=13474 ???: None
[2017-10-26 16:39] ID=13475 ???: None
[2017-10-26 17:16] ID=13476 ???: None
[2017-10-26 17:29] ID=13477 ???: None
[2017-10-26 17:55] ID=13478 ???: None
[2017-10-26 18:01] ID=13480 bigs21024: Is mycelium going to honor bitcoin gold if so how to export key when I do and put it in coinomi wallet it says not vaild
[2017-10-26 18:19] ID=13481 RE_ID=13480 AROMACOMPUTERS: By extension of you being in control of your keys, they are honoring all the stupid forks, even the fork you make if you feel like making your own fork.  Everyone's doing it
[2017-10-26 18:20] ID=13482 AROMACOMPUTERS: I would prefer the devs to focus on the app, than constantly "supporting" forks
[2017-10-26 18:28] ID=13483 RE_ID=13482 theultimatum: 
[2017-10-27 10:01] ID=13484 RE_ID=13482 ShortFatUglyDumb: <nod>
[2017-10-27 13:21] ID=13485 Allie: None
[2017-10-27 14:35] ID=13486 bigs21024: So how do you export every time I put in the priv key it tells me does not read key or something along that line
[2017-10-27 14:39] ID=13487 RE_ID=12050 bigs21024: Thank you very much
[2017-10-27 15:09] ID=13488 Jeremygram: hello?
[2017-10-27 15:13] ID=13489 bigs21024: There is no bitcoin gold in counomi I thought it supported it
[2017-10-27 15:43] ID=13490 ImadL: Wait until 1st November
[2017-10-27 16:30] ID=13491 Giszmo: wasn't bitcoin gold the hardfork that still hasn't figured out how to do the replay protection, that did the snapshot last week and will launch its chain when it figured things out? Wasn't it the guys that did in fact figure out how to give themselves a 20% premine? omg, really?
[2017-10-27 16:41] ID=13492 Rassah: I didn't think BTC Gold needed replay protection, since it's a completely different mining scheme
[2017-10-27 19:16] ID=13493 Giszmo: there is a 250BTG bounty for it on their github.
[2017-10-27 19:35] ID=13494 Daniel_Link: Btg is bitcoin core trash fork bit better than  Roger fork
[2017-10-27 19:36] ID=13495 Daniel_Link: Who cares about what they do
[2017-10-27 19:36] ID=13496 RE_ID=13494 mylaw twisp: you wrong BTc is better...btg has already experinced Ddos attacks🤷‍♂
[2017-10-27 19:36] ID=13497 Daniel_Link: Did you read what I wrote
[2017-10-27 19:37] ID=13498 mylaw twisp: https://cointelegraph.com/news/bitcoin-gold-off-to-rocky-start-after-ddos-attack
[2017-10-27 19:37] ID=13499 Daniel_Link: I said BTG is a trash fork from bitcoin core team
[2017-10-27 19:37] ID=13500 RE_ID=13499 mylaw twisp: oh👌
[2017-10-27 19:37] ID=13501 Daniel_Link: To compete with Roger coin aka bch
[2017-10-27 19:42] ID=13502 RE_ID=13494 Rassah: How is it better than Roger's?
[2017-10-27 19:44] ID=13503 Daniel_Link: Because Roger made many people loss funds by saying it will replace btc which today after some months we know it is totally false
[2017-10-27 19:44] ID=13504 Daniel_Link: Basically he scammed
[2017-10-27 19:44] ID=13505 Daniel_Link: And btg is not saying such buklshit
[2017-10-27 19:45] ID=13506 Daniel_Link: Bullshit
[2017-10-27 19:45] ID=13507 Daniel_Link: Bch is not replacing bitcoin, it barely can stand above 0.06 now and no merchant uses it
[2017-10-27 19:47] ID=13508 RE_ID=13507 mylaw twisp: 👌 but remember he made a deal with jihan wu all new Ascis 9s miners will be config to mine bch only cause they say its faster & cheaper🤷‍♂ lets wait & see after segwt2x if fork happens what will happen to bch🤔
[2017-10-27 19:50] ID=13509 mylaw twisp: 
[2017-10-27 19:50] ID=13510 mylaw twisp: ☝️☝️deal signed in presence of McAfee🤷‍♂
[2017-10-27 19:52] ID=13511 Daniel_Link: They 3 are autistic 'anarchists' who don't care if people lose or not money because they are already rich
[2017-10-27 19:53] ID=13512 RE_ID=13511 mylaw twisp: true 100%👌
[2017-10-27 19:53] ID=13513 Daniel_Link: Side with the ones you you like
[2017-10-27 19:53] ID=13514 Daniel_Link: But Is up to you
[2017-10-27 19:55] ID=13515 Daniel_Link: 
[2017-10-27 20:10] ID=13517 RE_ID=13511 Rassah: I don't think anarchists are supposed to care if people lose money or not. I think you may be thinking of socialists...
[2017-10-27 21:09] ID=13518 RE_ID=13517 chrisguida: 👍👍👍
[2017-10-27 22:29] ID=13519 Daniel_Link: 
[2017-10-27 22:37] ID=13520 Daniel_Link: Yes true, people also fail to see what interests do these people have
[2017-10-27 22:37] ID=13521 Daniel_Link: I don't think anarchists are supposed to care if people lose money or not. I think you may be thinking of socialists...
[2017-10-28 02:25] ID=13522 bigs21024: So are we ever going to see any profit from Mycelium Tokens or did they just get extra money off us for nothing
[2017-10-28 04:31] ID=13523 Rassah: I guess it's like charity to get more Mycelium Wallet updates
[2017-10-28 06:39] ID=13524 Evgeniy Skvortsov: None
[2017-10-28 10:07] ID=13525 ???: None
[2017-10-28 22:37] ID=13526 Rassah: ... Airbitz seem to be implementing everything Mycelium planned to, with the plug-in architecture. I knew they, and not others, were the biggest competitor.
[2017-10-29 00:04] ID=13527 RE_ID=13526 AROMACOMPUTERS: You mean Edge
[2017-10-29 00:09] ID=13528 Rassah: Are you at this conference too?
[2017-10-29 05:05] ID=13529 AROMACOMPUTERS: No
[2017-10-29 18:36] ID=13530 yuradmt: None
[2017-10-29 19:29] ID=13531 Lekandi: Im just interested in coin mixing. Anyone got that yet?
[2017-10-30 00:47] ID=13532 ShortFatUglyDumb: u prolly need 2 uz Join Market or a 3P mixer. or xfer thru ShapeShift/Changelly.
[2017-10-30 08:30] ID=13533 dfurry: None
[2017-10-30 10:07] ID=13534 m4rtin1: None
[2017-10-31 14:00] ID=13540 Giszmo: is @Rassah the only spam assassin here?
[2017-10-31 14:01] ID=13541 ShortFatUglyDumb: Not sure. Maybe he can grant admin powers to you and some others.
[2017-10-31 14:03] ID=13543 Giszmo: I am not sure but I seam to have some admin power. I have a delete button next to members here. I'll definitely try this on e.p. but how to remove his spam I don't know. Maybe on the phone.
[2017-10-31 14:03] ID=13544 m4rtin1: @Rassah there are anti spam bots \nAsk me for further information
[2017-10-31 20:37] ID=13546 rodomonte: when do i want to import the RMC 1 Encrypted Private Key it behave like if normal bitcoin address and it says "spend from cold storage" but i cant click since obviously the address is btc empty (but not rmc empty bt), how do i import rmc private key?
[2017-10-31 20:39] ID=13547 rodomonte: i just ask also in the rmc group, if first answered there i will report here
[2017-11-01 20:16] ID=13549 bigs21024: I'll ask again. Lol\n\nbigs21024:\nSo are we ever going to see any profit from Mycelium Tokens or did they just get extra money off us for nothing
[2017-11-01 20:26] ID=13550 DoubleYouSee23: I'll answer again. Lol\n\nwe will see profits if/when the wallet becomes profitable. The money went to paying devs etc, so no, they didn't get extra money for nothing.
[2017-11-01 20:27] ID=13551 DoubleYouSee23: But you'll ask again in a week anyway.
[2017-11-02 20:07] ID=13557 Rassah: Hi
[2017-11-02 21:29] ID=13558 idelo: do you guys think that the segwit2x will be accepted by most of the miners/pools?
[2017-11-02 21:59] ID=13559 Rassah: 🤷‍♂
[2017-11-03 13:27] ID=13560 Transisto: Competitors development : Electrum Mobile add segwit support
[2017-11-03 15:47] ID=13561 RE_ID=13558 Giszmo: According to https://coinmarketcap.com/currencies/segwit2x/#markets the futures trade at between $840 and $2070.\nSome say those futures are stacked against B2X.\n\nB2X is far from its 95% miner support it had earlier, too: https://coin.dance/blocks\n\nBut with 85% determined miners, a lot of harm can still be done.\n\nWe will see at what price B2X will trade against BTC (and BCH) but if B2X trades at values below those of BTC after the fork, I see no chance that miners will actually mine it at any level that would allow to both advance the B2X chain and disrupt the BTC chain. Many might just mine BCH to not risk running into some long orphaning attack.\n\nHmmmm ... that could be a good reason to dump my BCH after the fork.
[2017-11-03 15:48] ID=13562 idelo: Thanks
[2017-11-03 15:49] ID=13563 Rassah: I think it's a question of whether miners stick to their convictions, or just stab each other in the back and mine for profit.
[2017-11-03 20:56] ID=13564 Rassah: Funny how Samorai is still trying to be boisterous and relevant, while other wallets are kicking its butt
[2017-11-04 11:55] ID=13566 RE_ID=13550 bigs21024: Lol so we invested just to pay bills that was owed
[2017-11-04 16:31] ID=13567 Rassah: Well... yeah
[2017-11-04 22:43] ID=13568 adamvp: hi, when we get any profits for our stakes from crowdsale?
[2017-11-05 06:15] ID=13569 Transisto: I think its up to them, the 2 000 000.00 only went towards paying owed money and off that 1m went to lawyers for the "ICO" / scam.
[2017-11-05 06:30] ID=13570 AROMACOMPUTERS: Crowd sale funding breeds the worst type of investors.\nDid anyone expect Mycelium or any wallet for that matter, to be profitable any time soon? Seriously?\nNot that the whole thing wasnt done in a dumb way, it was.\nNot that youll ever get anything if/when they become profitable.\n\nBut consider another long long term long shot investment.... Amazon.\nBut in their IPO, the prospectus told you it would be 20 years to see a profit.\nIt took 15 years, not 1 complaint from investors.\n\nYoull never see the same thing in crowd funding.\n1.  Too much bullshit.\n2.  Too much bypassing/ ignoring regulations.\n3.  Not enough honest info up front.\n4.  Terrible terms of sale.\n5.  No enforcement of ownership.\n6.  When anyone can invest, youll get those that cant afford to lose it.  This attracts the worst investors.  As per they will cost the company more time and resources dealing with and holding their hands, then working on the business.\n\nAt the same time, imo, if you bought something thats worthless from the start, thats your fault.
[2017-11-05 11:02] ID=13571 RE_ID=13570 XuTPoBaH: it may sound dumb, but I considered that crowdsale as some type of donation, symbolic payment for software that was very useful for me, I didn't expect any return at all
[2017-11-05 11:07] ID=13572 RE_ID=13571 AROMACOMPUTERS: Then thats not dumb.  Thats charitable towards something free you use
[2017-11-05 11:08] ID=13573 AROMACOMPUTERS: I think the only software i was compelled to donate for was some open source antispyware that was great.\nId do it more if I could afford it.
[2017-11-05 11:10] ID=13574 ShortFatUglyDumb: "Id do it more if I could afford it." -- Me, I'd do it more if more freeware authors accepted BTC. There have been several times I reached out to sw authors I was impressed with, asking if they have an ez QR code for BTC I could send donations too, only 2 hear back "No".
[2017-11-05 12:05] ID=13575 bilbma: I have migrated my legacy account in my trezor,and now,myceliun do not update the amount of segwit addressa.mycelium support segwit?.
[2017-11-05 13:40] ID=13576 ShortFatUglyDumb: Myc doesn't support SegWit, yet. If u send BTC from a SegWit address to Myc, it will need 2 confirm b4 appearing in Myc.
[2017-11-05 14:26] ID=13577 RE_ID=13569 Rassah: Source?
[2017-11-05 14:39] ID=13578 RE_ID=13564 Maxxsaan: explain?
[2017-11-05 14:40] ID=13579 RE_ID=13570 Maxxsaan: exactly
[2017-11-05 14:40] ID=13580 Maxxsaan: ICOs even worse
[2017-11-05 14:46] ID=13581 RE_ID=13576 bilbma: Ok thanhs .what does it mind b4?
[2017-11-05 15:04] ID=13582 RE_ID=13578 Rassah: Stash came out with the same security features as Samorai, and more, and has short term plans to make it even more anonymous. Airbitz (now Edge) is coming out with a ton of new functionality (actually a lot of the things Mycelium intended to do). Samorai is just bragging on Twitter about how it has great features (though things like ricochet, where you just send a transaction through your own addresses, is completely useless), and posts stuff about how other wallets are terrible, while having barely any installs or presence anywhere
[2017-11-05 15:05] ID=13583 Rassah: Their dev is their PR person I guess, and they're very loud about how great they are, while all other wallets just quietly develop in silence and are surpassing them.
[2017-11-05 15:06] ID=13584 RE_ID=13581 Rassah: b4 = before
[2017-11-05 15:07] ID=13585 Maxxsaan: fair comments
[2017-11-05 15:15] ID=13586 RE_ID=13584 bilbma: 😊 thanks
[2017-11-05 18:09] ID=13587 RE_ID=13583 DoubleYouSee23: There are a few newer companies in the bitcoin space that have been using this tactic. I refuse to use their products unless they unequivocally become #1
[2017-11-05 18:10] ID=13588 DoubleYouSee23: (Newer than the established companies they steal thunder from I mean)
[2017-11-05 19:25] ID=13589 duncan idaho: Someon think about collective sue? We dont invest in this shitty russian wallet as a charity organisation, we invest our own money. CTO was on fuckin holiday with our money. ICO is illegal now in many country. We collect money to invest in that shitty wallet, i think we can invest in good lawyer to make ROI or half of that.
[2017-11-05 19:31] ID=13590 duncan idaho: Looks for another Mycelium&Rusian Scam - RMC. It looks scammy for me but, they pay dividens until day 1. The have a whitepaper and some of promises like profitable 24h ROI - Multiclet Miner. Also promise for Sunrise miner which can be collocate in their datacenter. If no ROI from this investment, they will at least chance for partly ROI. What we have from MT? Nothing. Just fuckin our ass without lubricant.
[2017-11-05 19:31] ID=13591 RE_ID=13589 Rassah: CTO was not on holiday with your money. A small amount was used to have a company meeting in one place, where company money was only spent on travel for a few employees, and a large shared Airbnb (I was involved in picking that out, so know it wasn't much). Any vacation the CTO had was paid for himself.
[2017-11-05 19:32] ID=13592 Rassah: Can't comment in RMC. From what I'm told devs don't know anything about it. @Giszmo you know if Mycelium is involved?
[2017-11-05 19:36] ID=13593 duncan idaho: For me it is enough.  More than a year without any information. More than a year without wallet update. Bitcoin rise a laot from that date and we have nothing. Nobody care about information, nobody care about financial reports, nobody care about nothing. Tommorow i go to consult my company lawyer and ask about what we can do with it. If someone is interested PM me.
[2017-11-05 19:44] ID=13594 RE_ID=13593 Rassah: You haven't updated your wallet in a year? Why???
[2017-11-05 19:44] ID=13595 Rassah: I care about financial reports. It's why I quit
[2017-11-05 19:45] ID=13596 duncan idaho: you know what i mean
[2017-11-05 19:45] ID=13597 Rassah: Not really. There have been updates almost every week
[2017-11-05 19:46] ID=13598 Rassah: It's unfortunate that apparently a lot of people invested while thinking that any company could actually beat bitcoin returns :(
[2017-11-05 19:46] ID=13599 duncan idaho: Promises like a modular wallet
[2017-11-05 19:46] ID=13600 Rassah: Testnet Wallet recently released an SPV module, which is the first step to modularization
[2017-11-05 19:47] ID=13601 Rassah: I never got a good explanation why implementing BitcoinJ and SPV, which was the crucial first step to modularization, took sooooo long 😑
[2017-11-05 19:49] ID=13602 duncan idaho: How we can make a ROI or dividends if wallet is not developed. We have no segwit, no modular, no other fork/alts support? The competition is not sleeping but we stands in place. Is our money burned? There is nothing going going on.
[2017-11-05 19:50] ID=13603 Rassah: It is being developed. It's just ridiculously slow
[2017-11-05 19:50] ID=13604 duncan idaho: Ok, but why?
[2017-11-05 19:51] ID=13605 duncan idaho: not enough people? not enough money? nobody care about project?
[2017-11-05 19:51] ID=13606 Rassah: I don't know. I thought maybe it was because I wasn't able to hire more developers like I thought I would be able to. I started last year, but CEO put a stop to it by saying he has to verify all hires, and then just not verifying any of them
[2017-11-05 19:53] ID=13607 Rassah: So I got stuck with just three devs and two interns, and then one dev quit, then another dev quit, and then one of the interns got a better paying job, and I ended up with very few devs.
[2017-11-05 19:55] ID=13608 Rassah: I don't know what has been happening after I left in May. But, bad management at the top, bad management on my part, and maybe inadequate developers.
[2017-11-05 19:55] ID=13609 Rassah: Good idea, bad execution. Sorry 😥
[2017-11-05 19:55] ID=13610 duncan idaho: I think is not your fault
[2017-11-05 19:55] ID=13611 duncan idaho: Someone take your place
[2017-11-05 19:55] ID=13612 duncan idaho: you are freelancer now
[2017-11-05 19:56] ID=13613 duncan idaho: The company is working, the are not bankrupt
[2017-11-05 19:56] ID=13614 duncan idaho: I think someone manage it
[2017-11-05 19:58] ID=13615 RE_ID=13614 Rassah: CEO and another employee from one of the other projects was brought in to replace me
[2017-11-05 19:59] ID=13616 Rassah: He's not a nice person (the one who replaced me), but maybe that's good
[2017-11-05 20:03] ID=13617 duncan idaho: I dont care about his personality. Me (and other people who invest their money) wants to see any improvments, information or something to hope about ROI. Now, we don't know nothing. You think about company as your child and i respect that. But we can not pretend, that something  is not going wrong.
[2017-11-05 20:06] ID=13618 Rassah: It is wrong. I agree. Lack of transparency, lack of financial disclosures, lack of progress (or very very slow progress), lack of updates on that progress, lack of updates on company plans
[2017-11-05 20:51] ID=13619 zaephe: If they would just make it open source, a community could actually improve the code.
[2017-11-05 21:02] ID=13620 RE_ID=13619 Rassah: Another promise from upper management that never came true
[2017-11-05 21:40] ID=13621 RE_ID=13592 Giszmo: I don't know anything about RMC. Sorry.
[2017-11-05 21:45] ID=13622 RE_ID=13608 Giszmo: team is bigger than ever. some work on partner integration, some on modularization.
[2017-11-05 21:57] ID=13623 Rassah: Ah, cool!
[2017-11-06 03:38] ID=13624 Schlizzle: None
[2017-11-06 03:50] ID=13625 Schlizzle: Hey, quick question. I just sent a friend 37.00. The fee said it was 6.00 which seemed pretty high for economy. Now it says I’m sending 49.35. I’m not a math major but it cost me over 12 dollars to send a measly 37 dollars? That can’t be right
[2017-11-06 09:20] ID=13626 ShortFatUglyDumb: Have a closer look at the tx & do the math on the fee. & did the BTC price jump after u sent tx?
[2017-11-06 17:33] ID=13635 Rassah: Sorry about the bot link, I thought someone was suggesting I add a bot that manages spammers.
[2017-11-06 17:35] ID=13636 DoubleYouSee23: A bunch of telegram spam is a newer format, so its hard to Tell it's spam unless you've seen it already.
[2017-11-07 10:42] ID=13637 rodomonte: 
[2017-11-07 10:42] ID=13638 rodomonte: first time I see this
[2017-11-07 10:42] ID=13639 rodomonte: what the heck?
[2017-11-07 10:43] ID=13640 rodomonte: 
[2017-11-07 10:44] ID=13641 rodomonte: and network doesn't allow retransmission, how do I solve this? it never happen before
[2017-11-07 11:07] ID=13642 rodomonte: 
[2017-11-07 11:08] ID=13643 rodomonte: it seems the option I'm looking for is there but maybe a bit too much for a fee?
[2017-11-07 12:14] ID=13644 ShortFatUglyDumb: CPFP might help, but I think it's really meant for another kind of problem -- Tx is transmitted fine, but doesn't confirm due to low fee. Ur problem is different. Try exiting and restarting a few times, so u may connect w' a different Myc server. Also, there's an option in there somewhere to re-transmit the tx; try that. U may also try the Reload Account option to refresh everything.
[2017-11-07 15:46] ID=13645 RE_ID=13641 m4rtin1: Delete the tx and send it again w a higher fee
[2017-11-07 16:54] ID=13646 RE_ID=13645 rodomonte: yep i do that
[2017-11-07 17:01] ID=13647 m4rtin1: Good
[2017-11-09 12:05] ID=13648 Lekandi: How good is Stash wallet?
[2017-11-09 13:56] ID=13649 RE_ID=13637 Giszmo: This is a slightly complicated situation I am currently investigating among other things. My theory is that our server that is connected to its own bitcoind and 100 others does broadcast the transaction to the others and asks its own bitcoind for the transaction. If the own bitcoind doesn't have it after some seconds, obviously something went wrong and "broadcasting failed".\n\nWhile that was a good approach while we forced the user to pay a sufficient fee, it is not once the user can pay insufficient fees. For example, our own bitcoind was set to ignore fees below 5sat/B, so those transactions would only make it to our bitcoind through mined blocks. I set that to 0.95sat/B, so we at least get all transactions that do pay a fee but as most nodes will not relay 1sat/B transactions, this is no guarantee that those transactions will find their way back to our bitcoind.\n\nI did not lower the min fee to 0sat/B as that is an essential spam protection and I'd rather take out the 0sat/B fee option from the client than to burden our servers with 0 fee spam. (It might make sense to allow fees lower than 1sat/B but 0sat/B should in my opinion never get mined at this point. It is a burden to the miners and full nodes for now and all eternity. Only exception would be if the transaction consolidated many UTXOs but that's a different topic.)
[2017-11-09 14:05] ID=13650 RE_ID=13641 Giszmo: It's complicated. Most likely your transaction made it to the mempools of miners and other relevant nodes, so you are blocked until the transaction gets evicted (after about 72h). If you manage to get rid of the transaction locally by reloading the account (I had a case where that didn't help but archiving and activating did), you will still be stuck, as the bitcoin network still remembers the transaction and will not allow you to double-spend the inputs.\n\nMy job currently is to make those very-low fee transactions RBF. My plan is to make everything below the low priority option (lowest on the top slider, then to the left on the lower slider) RBF and all other fees FINAL. With that, deleting and "doublespending" should work to get you unstuck.\n\nWith that in place I want to make RBF opt-out (cause users will panic when they realize that their Mycelium wallet is sending RBF transactions now) for low fees and opt-in for high fees.\n\nAt a later point I want to make full use of RBF, so you can amend transactions (add recipients to your transactions) and increase the fee (without CPFP making things more expensive). Also the CPFP transaction will get an overhaul, so it uses RBF and starts with a low fee if you want. The steep fee for CPFP is owed to the fact that CPFP-ing is expensive in itself, as it uses a new transaction and it is limited, as miners will not consider long chains of transactions.
[2017-11-09 14:19] ID=13651 Klepic: None
[2017-11-09 14:24] ID=13652 YAnico: None
[2017-11-09 15:22] ID=13653 rodomonte: un ok, i delete the TX anyway
[2017-11-09 15:22] ID=13654 rodomonte: I will try again exporting rmc funds from old phone as soon I'm home and feedback in case of failure
[2017-11-09 17:33] ID=13655 ShortFatUglyDumb: Thx 4 the rundown, Leo. May I request that when u do overhaul CPFP, u hopefully can still leave an option for the current behavior. CPFP can b really helpful in a jam, & I don't mind paying hi CPFP fees in those cases, 2 incentivize miner inclusion.
[2017-11-09 22:17] ID=13656 CoinTech: None
[2017-11-10 12:34] ID=13657 Lekandi: Bitwala no longer servicing US customers... fyi
[2017-11-10 14:32] ID=13658 painlord2k: Who is the person or entity without masochistic tendencies or suicide wish willing to service US customers?
[2017-11-10 15:19] ID=13659 Rassah: Kraken, Gemini too, but they take A LONG time to verify you
[2017-11-10 17:04] ID=13660 rodomonte: imho you should do a web interface for the cash vs Bitcoin in app market, this should even incentive people to get the app if near Bitcoin seller
[2017-11-10 17:17] ID=13661 Rassah: So, time to add support for Bitcoin Cash?
[2017-11-10 18:11] ID=13662 painlord2k: Better late than never.\nI don't believe BTC will be around for long; or at least relevant for long.
[2017-11-10 18:12] ID=13663 RE_ID=13662 theultimatum: BTC or BCC/BCH?
[2017-11-10 18:15] ID=13664 RE_ID=13662 DoubleYouSee23: that's... an interesting theory.
[2017-11-10 18:24] ID=13665 Rassah: I know a lot of businesses that used to take BTC are now adding BCH support, since BTC is costing them too much.
[2017-11-10 18:24] ID=13666 RE_ID=13665 HostFat: 👍
[2017-11-10 18:31] ID=13667 RE_ID=13665 DoubleYouSee23: I can't really see that lasting much longer though, do you?
[2017-11-10 19:05] ID=13668 RE_ID=13665 painlord2k: So many stopped accepting BTC (because fee) and started accepting other coins.\nBCH is their best option, because the developers and the environment purged themselves from the deadweight of SMALL minded people
[2017-11-10 19:45] ID=13669 thorbjorn: I think people are getting all too emotional today and it's just going to crash the other way in due time.
[2017-11-10 19:47] ID=13670 thorbjorn: Also, the total market cap is plummeting along with Bitcoin and all other altcoins, so possibly many people are moving to fiat rather than Bitcoin Cash. But then again the calculation of the market cap is rather flawed.
[2017-11-11 03:17] ID=13672 Transisto: Now that segwit has been long activated what's the prediction as to when will mycelium support it?
[2017-11-11 06:25] ID=13673 RE_ID=13672 AROMACOMPUTERS: And Gear support
[2017-11-14 14:40] ID=13676 Cme: Now that segwit has been long activated what's the prediction as to when will mycelium support it?
[2017-11-14 14:41] ID=13677 Cme: telling resource? https://fork.lol/pow/hashrate
[2017-11-14 14:44] ID=13678 Cme: and start supporting lightning?
[2017-11-14 14:49] ID=13679 Cme: might be a way to help onboard merchants with a LND and Mycelium solution
[2017-11-14 17:25] ID=13680 benmorris: Anyone know how to get unconfirmed transactions back into Mycelium wallet? Been 5 days.
[2017-11-14 17:28] ID=13681 RE_ID=13680 m4rtin1: Select the tx, menu, delete\n\nMight be different wording but should be something like that
[2017-11-14 17:31] ID=13682 RE_ID=13681 benmorris: Gratitude. 🙏🙏 Thanks
[2017-11-14 17:31] ID=13683 m4rtin1: Np
[2017-11-14 18:22] ID=13684 RE_ID=13681 ShortFatUglyDumb: But is the unconfirmed tx still floating around the mempool in various block explorers?
[2017-11-14 18:37] ID=13685 m4rtin1: Most probably not if you didn't rebroadcast but you can look it up quite easy\n \nLook for unconfirmed tx on the input address(es) on block explorers \nIf there are none, they are forgotten
[2017-11-14 18:42] ID=13686 ShortFatUglyDumb: Do u mean 2 imply that after 5 days unconf'd, most nodes will have dropped the tx?
[2017-11-14 18:43] ID=13687 m4rtin1: Yes but I can't say it with certainty
[2017-11-14 20:54] ID=13688 rawodb: None
[2017-11-14 20:54] ID=13689 rawodb: Ayo mycelium guys
[2017-11-14 20:54] ID=13690 rawodb: i'm back again
[2017-11-14 20:54] ID=13691 rawodb: @Rassah why isn't mycelium relaying transactions or receiving them correctly?
[2017-11-14 20:55] ID=13692 rawodb: i just did 2 tests and it isn't receiving transactions already propagated in the network
[2017-11-14 20:55] ID=13693 rawodb: it isn't broadcasting them either
[2017-11-14 21:00] ID=13694 rawodb: Mycelium wallet and the centralized node it accesses isn't receiving or relaying transactions
[2017-11-14 21:05] ID=13695 Transisto: 
[2017-11-14 21:05] ID=13696 Transisto: Could be a good idea to have something like that
[2017-11-14 21:06] ID=13697 rawodb: @Transisto it's no congestion, the mycelium node isn't relaying or receiving transactions
[2017-11-14 21:06] ID=13698 rawodb: they lack conectivity or availability and the app wallet depends on their services
[2017-11-14 21:06] ID=13699 Transisto: Dude we're talking transaction fee!
[2017-11-14 21:06] ID=13700 rawodb: you can fee 100 bitcoins if they don't relay it
[2017-11-14 21:07] ID=13701 Transisto: ?
[2017-11-14 21:07] ID=13702 rawodb: @Rassah i've just sent transaction from mycelium to not propagate and show up at all, and sent from bitcoin core node to mycelium to have it propagated world wide
[2017-11-14 21:07] ID=13703 rawodb: and not show up
[2017-11-14 21:07] ID=13704 RE_ID=13678 Rassah: Isn't lightning at least two more years away? Most wallets and services don't even support SegWit yet. Hell, there are still a bunch that don't have HD wallets.
[2017-11-14 21:07] ID=13705 Transisto: Just PSA so people don't freak the fuck out
[2017-11-14 21:07] ID=13706 rawodb: @Rassah can you fix your nodes plx
[2017-11-14 21:08] ID=13707 Transisto: @Rassah No lightning is more like a month away
[2017-11-14 21:08] ID=13708 RE_ID=13691 Rassah: I don't know. I haven't been involved since May
[2017-11-14 21:08] ID=13709 rawodb: why still here ?😰
[2017-11-14 21:08] ID=13710 rawodb: @Rassah who's responsible for hosting the indexing node?
[2017-11-14 21:09] ID=13711 Rassah: @Giszmo I think? No idea
[2017-11-14 21:10] ID=13712 Rassah: Still here cause I opened this room, and help out with questions sometimes. If I leave, Telegram will shut this channel down
[2017-11-14 21:10] ID=13713 Transisto: Here @Rassah : check at exact time https://youtu.be/J3W6pGqvlGc?t=3465
[2017-11-14 21:10] ID=13714 RE_ID=13707 Rassah: A month until out of beta, or until it's in testing?
[2017-11-14 21:10] ID=13715 RE_ID=13712 rawodb: ah, well mycelium & copay seem completly broken at the moment
[2017-11-14 21:10] ID=13716 rawodb: not relaying or receiving transactions sent through their systems
[2017-11-14 21:11] ID=13717 rawodb: this is actual, i've just tested 5 minutes ago.
[2017-11-14 21:12] ID=13718 Transisto: it's more than a month for sure but would be great if mycelium would be at the forefront of it.
[2017-11-14 21:12] ID=13719 RE_ID=13655 Giszmo: you do care about the fees, once you happen to build your first 10kB transaction. The idea is to still allow using non-RBF either opt-in or depending on picking the high fee level that you now get either way.
[2017-11-14 21:13] ID=13720 rawodb: PSA: Mycelium wallet and their indexing node isn't functioning in the bitcoin network, they aren't receiving or broadcasting any transactions.
[2017-11-14 21:14] ID=13721 Transisto: RBF would be about 50% cheper than fee bump, How hard is it technically to get that thing in mycelium?
[2017-11-14 21:14] ID=13722 RE_ID=13665 Giszmo: give me one example that is not bitcoin .com or otherwise under direct control of the core actors around the whole BCH campaign.
[2017-11-14 21:14] ID=13723 rawodb: @Transisto like if it would work?:))
[2017-11-14 21:15] ID=13724 Transisto: @rawodb Please talk to me in private or be more concise.
[2017-11-14 21:16] ID=13725 RE_ID=13672 Giszmo: still no update. sorry.
[2017-11-14 21:18] ID=13726 RE_ID=13724 rawodb: Mycelium is in a non functional state at the moment as it isn't receiving or broadcasting transactions in the bitcoin network
[2017-11-14 21:18] ID=13727 Transisto: it's only you AFAIK
[2017-11-14 21:20] ID=13728 rawodb: @Transisto it can't be only me, as i've sent transaction that propagated in the whole network
[2017-11-14 21:20] ID=13729 rawodb: including 6 of my fullnodes across continents
[2017-11-14 21:20] ID=13730 rawodb: and showing up everywhere except mycelium wallets
[2017-11-14 21:20] ID=13731 Transisto: did you reload the wallet?
[2017-11-14 21:20] ID=13732 rawodb: yep
[2017-11-14 21:20] ID=13733 Transisto: closed the app and back?
[2017-11-14 21:20] ID=13734 rawodb: yup
[2017-11-14 21:21] ID=13735 RE_ID=13718 Rassah: Mycelium still doesn't have SegWit, and from what I've learned from Mycelium development and other competing wallets I've talked to, I expect LN to be a fairly well adopted option no less than two years from now.
[2017-11-14 21:21] ID=13736 rawodb: @Transisto also transactions signed from mycelium aren't broadcasted
[2017-11-14 21:21] ID=13737 rawodb: none got broadcasted in the network, none hit any of my nodes
[2017-11-14 21:21] ID=13738 RE_ID=13722 Rassah: Airbitz is one
[2017-11-14 21:22] ID=13739 RE_ID=13704 Giszmo: 2 years? Wanna bet? I bet that more than 50% of all retail transactions will be done on lighting by one year from now, measured in transaction count, not volume.
[2017-11-14 21:22] ID=13740 rawodb: @Transisto try sending a transaction out or receiving one from a node
[2017-11-14 21:22] ID=13741 rawodb: you'll see
[2017-11-14 21:23] ID=13742 RE_ID=13739 Rassah: So, how long for Mycelium to finish SegWit and then LN support?
[2017-11-14 21:23] ID=13743 RE_ID=13706 Giszmo: Rassah is not in charge and technically neither am I. I will ping devOps.
[2017-11-14 21:23] ID=13744 RE_ID=13743 rawodb: Thanks, they should have monitoring or something set up
[2017-11-14 21:23] ID=13745 rawodb: or be already aware
[2017-11-14 21:23] ID=13746 rawodb: i've noticed this issue in the weekend as well
[2017-11-14 21:23] ID=13747 rawodb: as i had to manually export and broadcast raw transactions
[2017-11-14 21:23] ID=13748 rawodb: to get them to confirm
[2017-11-14 21:24] ID=13749 RE_ID=13712 Giszmo: this is ridiculous. no way to hand over?
[2017-11-14 21:24] ID=13750 Rassah: Not that I know of
[2017-11-14 21:24] ID=13751 Rassah: I don't mind
[2017-11-14 21:24] ID=13752 Rassah: You're a full admin too
[2017-11-14 21:26] ID=13753 RE_ID=13721 Giszmo: In my experimental branch RBF is working ... but non-RBF stopped working :D. PM needs other stuff done.
[2017-11-14 21:26] ID=13754 Rassah: The reason I don't expect LN to be around soon is, even though the code may come out (like SW came out in August), it will take a very long time for wallets, exchanges, and other services to add their own custom code, for the nodes to be set up, funded, and propagated, and for users to start using it. There's a lot of infrastructure and custom code to build, not just releasing the reference code.
[2017-11-14 21:27] ID=13755 RE_ID=13737 Giszmo: you might have some long chain of transactions that are all low fee and unconfirmed??
[2017-11-14 21:28] ID=13756 RE_ID=13738 Giszmo: Airbitz is a wallet. Any retail?
[2017-11-14 21:28] ID=13757 RE_ID=13755 rawodb: nope, confirmed inputs, no chain, 4 block estimated fee
[2017-11-14 21:29] ID=13758 Rassah: For BCH? OpenBazaar I know is one that will add it. I'm sure a bunch if others will too
[2017-11-14 21:29] ID=13759 RE_ID=13746 Giszmo: well then it's you. servers were fine during weekend.
[2017-11-14 21:30] ID=13760 RE_ID=13758 Giszmo: OB1 is one of the NYA signers. meh.
[2017-11-14 21:30] ID=13761 RE_ID=13759 rawodb: try sending out a transaction in that case
[2017-11-14 21:30] ID=13762 rawodb: see if propagates :)
[2017-11-14 21:31] ID=13763 RE_ID=13760 Rassah: They weren't planning on using BCH.
[2017-11-14 21:33] ID=13764 RE_ID=13760 DoubleYouSee23: Received funding from digital currency group too.
[2017-11-14 21:33] ID=13765 DoubleYouSee23: (Love the project, there are just reasons they would have the outlook they do)
[2017-11-14 21:46] ID=13766 Rassah: At this point which merchant would not want to include BCH? BTC just doesn't make sense for it anymore. $1+ to send money, $1+ per every payment you received to get it out.
[2017-11-14 21:49] ID=13767 RE_ID=13766 DoubleYouSee23: I honestly have my doubts bch will be around in a year, might not be worth the man hours to pivot.
[2017-11-14 21:53] ID=13768 Rassah: There's a lot of people with both a lot of money and a lot of conviction that will continue to support it. Everyone who joined bitcoin with the hope that it would destroy banks and replace cash, who is now disappointed in Core having and sticking to a plan to make fees be high. At this point it's bitcoin gold vs bitcoin cash camp.\nToo little belief in LN too, since that was promised for years, along with other promises, and they kept getting broken.\nBasically a ton of people lost trust in Core and their fork.
[2017-11-14 21:54] ID=13769 sabotagebeats: why are cash fees so high right now then
[2017-11-14 21:55] ID=13770 RE_ID=13769 Rassah: I wouldn't know. I don't use it or follow its development
[2017-11-14 21:55] ID=13771 sabotagebeats: also if 1mb limit was to prevent spam, there is a ton of spam, so wouldn't that imply that we still need the 1mb limit
[2017-11-14 21:55] ID=13772 RE_ID=13771 Rassah: It's not preventing spam. That spam still gets in eventually.
[2017-11-14 21:55] ID=13773 sabotagebeats: which was satoshi's original reason for having the 1mb limit
[2017-11-14 21:55] ID=13774 RE_ID=13766 Transisto: @Rassah  Why people wouldn't be using LTC instead of that SCAM?
[2017-11-14 21:55] ID=13775 sabotagebeats: which is still needed because there's still spam
[2017-11-14 21:56] ID=13776 RE_ID=13774 Rassah: Why would people be using LTC?
[2017-11-14 21:56] ID=13777 sabotagebeats: maybe if the spam went away we could think about getting rid of the 1mb limit
[2017-11-14 21:56] ID=13778 RE_ID=13776 sabotagebeats: because it's cheaper and faster and more reliable and has 2 minute blocktimes
[2017-11-14 21:56] ID=13779 RE_ID=13776 Transisto: Because it's not controled and manipulated by scammers
[2017-11-14 21:57] ID=13780 RE_ID=13775 Rassah: Yeah, but 1) you claiming it's spam doesn't make it so (those tx's are paying fees), and that spam isn't stopped from getting into the blocks, because eventually it gets included anyway.
[2017-11-14 21:57] ID=13781 sabotagebeats: because all the jerks seem to only have sha256 miners can't come fuck it up
[2017-11-14 21:57] ID=13782 RE_ID=13779 Rassah: Pretty sure it is. The whole "Silver to Bitcoin's gold" is a scam idea
[2017-11-14 21:57] ID=13783 RE_ID=13780 sabotagebeats: right but they have to pay the fees in order to spam the network so it makes their spam attack extremely expensive
[2017-11-14 21:57] ID=13784 RE_ID=13782 sabotagebeats: honestly do you have anything to back that up lol
[2017-11-14 21:57] ID=13785 sabotagebeats: are are you just talking
[2017-11-14 21:58] ID=13786 sabotagebeats: because so far there's a lot of holes in your reasoning
[2017-11-14 21:58] ID=13787 RE_ID=13784 Rassah: Yes. There's no need to have a second currency that just copies all the core code and doesn't offer anything new
[2017-11-14 21:58] ID=13788 sabotagebeats: re: your fb post
[2017-11-14 21:58] ID=13789 sabotagebeats: haha they don't copy the core code
[2017-11-14 21:58] ID=13790 Rassah: I'm a bitcoin maximalist. I don't think we need more than one currency. We need just one
[2017-11-14 21:58] ID=13791 sabotagebeats: the implement new shit that core doesn't have yet, maybe you're uneducated on what exactly litecoin is doing right now :)
[2017-11-14 21:58] ID=13792 RE_ID=13781 Transisto: +1, Super low fee slowed down Segwit adoption, I know my business hasn't moved to it yet but since last few day it's a priority
[2017-11-14 21:59] ID=13793 sabotagebeats: atomic swaps are already happening but i would be willing to bet that @rassah didn't know that
[2017-11-14 21:59] ID=13794 sabotagebeats: confidential transactions are on the roadmap
[2017-11-14 21:59] ID=13795 RE_ID=13793 Rassah: I know about them. So what?
[2017-11-14 22:00] ID=13796 sabotagebeats: so that gets around the fee issues on bitcoin core
[2017-11-14 22:00] ID=13797 RE_ID=13794 Rassah: I knew about them back when they were first announced... 2 years ago?
[2017-11-14 22:00] ID=13798 DoubleYouSee23: The weirdest thing about this whole civil war we are eexperiencing is that people seemed ssurprised. This was inevitable. How we come out the oother side is what is up for grabs. but the idea that we could create an alternative to the existing system without the old guard paying attention and stepping in is a joke
[2017-11-14 22:00] ID=13799 sabotagebeats: which is going to boost litecoin exponentially
[2017-11-14 22:00] ID=13800 RE_ID=13794 Rassah: They're the reason I wanted SegWit
[2017-11-14 22:01] ID=13801 RE_ID=13799 Rassah: So, everything that is on Bitcoin's roadmap? Cause I thought you were talking about Bitcoin features there
[2017-11-14 22:01] ID=13802 sabotagebeats: lol
[2017-11-14 22:01] ID=13803 sabotagebeats: who had segwit first
[2017-11-14 22:01] ID=13804 sabotagebeats: ?
[2017-11-14 22:01] ID=13805 Transisto: BCH is pumped by a fucking con artists that own bitcoin.com and r/brc and try to foll every noob into thinking BCH is the real bitcoin.  How about that for helping adption and not confusing the public.
[2017-11-14 22:01] ID=13806 sabotagebeats: @Rassah did bitcoin have segwit first?
[2017-11-14 22:02] ID=13807 RE_ID=13803 Rassah: Who cares? Who developed SegWit?
[2017-11-14 22:02] ID=13808 sabotagebeats: lol
[2017-11-14 22:02] ID=13809 sabotagebeats: does bitcoin have ct?
[2017-11-14 22:02] ID=13810 Transisto: I use LTC for my coffe transaction, and guess what it's not pumping the price in the slightest, I still hold 99.999% of my money as BTC
[2017-11-14 22:02] ID=13811 sabotagebeats: so you're telling me that when 1 satoshi is $1000 usd, that we don't need any other coin just bitcoin?
[2017-11-14 22:03] ID=13812 Rassah: Is Litecoin like USSR racing in the space race to launch the first satellite and human into orbit by using stolen US plans while ignoring safety, just to claim they're first?
[2017-11-14 22:03] ID=13813 sabotagebeats: so when bitcoin is $1000 per satoshi, you gonna spend 1 satoshi on a coffee?
[2017-11-14 22:03] ID=13814 RE_ID=13811 Rassah: If that happens, no, we won't
[2017-11-14 22:03] ID=13815 sabotagebeats: lol
[2017-11-14 22:03] ID=13816 RE_ID=13811 DoubleYouSee23: Add some decimals
[2017-11-14 22:03] ID=13817 Rassah: ^ this
[2017-11-14 22:04] ID=13818 sabotagebeats: requires hardfork
[2017-11-14 22:04] ID=13819 Transisto: @Rassah We only brought up LTC because you brought BCH,  They're both useless garbage, LTC slightly less by not trying to scam people with BTC branding.
[2017-11-14 22:05] ID=13820 sabotagebeats: then that will be contentious and create "Bitcoin Satoshi" - "satoshi's one true vision of 8 decimal places"
[2017-11-14 22:05] ID=13821 RE_ID=13813 Rassah: Are you telling me that when bitcoin becomes mainstream and fiat dies, that all businesses will have to do all their accounting in multiple currencies, and all accountants will have to be professional traders, knowing when to convert between currencies to get the best return, and track every trade between currencies to track capital gains? That would be insane!\nBusinesses use one currency only for a reason.
[2017-11-14 22:05] ID=13822 RE_ID=13818 DoubleYouSee23: So?
[2017-11-14 22:05] ID=13823 RE_ID=13818 Rassah: Yes. So?
[2017-11-14 22:05] ID=13824 sabotagebeats: LTC is great whenever the btc chain is getting spammed to fuck all by the big blockers then I can still transact
[2017-11-14 22:06] ID=13825 RE_ID=13821 sabotagebeats: that's reserve currency rassah
[2017-11-14 22:06] ID=13826 RE_ID=13824 DoubleYouSee23: When bitcoin had the low number of users that ltc does it worked the same way
[2017-11-14 22:06] ID=13827 sabotagebeats: when bitcoin didn't have spam last month it worked the same way
[2017-11-14 22:06] ID=13828 RE_ID=13824 Transisto: +1 ,,, or when BCH is doing 2h blocks
[2017-11-14 22:07] ID=13829 Rassah: I prefer forking BTC itself instead of creating alternative currencies, because then everyone is automatically hedged already.
[2017-11-14 22:07] ID=13830 sabotagebeats: i think forking dilutes brand and is a scam
[2017-11-14 22:07] ID=13831 Rassah: I think it's an upgrade.
[2017-11-14 22:07] ID=13832 Rassah: Or gives investors an option
[2017-11-14 22:07] ID=13833 sabotagebeats: i definitely don't see 2 hour blocks as an upgrade
[2017-11-14 22:08] ID=13834 sabotagebeats: nor do i see $40 fees as an upgrade
[2017-11-14 22:08] ID=13835 Rassah: I think you thinking it's a scam makes you sound like you're in a cult.
[2017-11-14 22:08] ID=13836 sabotagebeats: if you had gone to the bitcoin meetups in LA with roger where he was saying cash is the one true bitcoin you would know where the cult is lol
[2017-11-14 22:08] ID=13837 Rassah: I don't care about Roger. Sure, he's in a cult too
[2017-11-14 22:08] ID=13838 sabotagebeats: there are people putting up posters saying that bitcoin is a scam and a fake of bitcoin cash
[2017-11-14 22:09] ID=13839 Transisto: @Rassah I'm founder of Bitcoin Embassy and deficated years of my life teaching Bitcoin to noobs, It's the hijacking the brand using bitcoin.com I have a problem with. Not forking to innovate with same stake.
[2017-11-14 22:09] ID=13840 sabotagebeats: yep agreed
[2017-11-14 22:09] ID=13841 sabotagebeats: litecoin is also A FORK
[2017-11-14 22:09] ID=13842 sabotagebeats: just not a chain fork
[2017-11-14 22:10] ID=13843 Rassah: As an investor, I like having what I already own split and give me options of which I support. It doesn't matter to me which one wins, because I'll still be fine. Someone creating a whole new coin and trying to convince me to sell what I have to them in exchange for this new thing they created for me sounds more like a scam to me
[2017-11-14 22:10] ID=13844 sabotagebeats: and the way that bitcoin and bcash both combined are the all time high of bitcoin basically bitcoin cash stole 20% of bitcoin's value imo
[2017-11-14 22:11] ID=13845 sabotagebeats: "me to sell what I have to them in exchange for this new thing they created for me" yea that sounds like bitcoin
[2017-11-14 22:11] ID=13846 Rassah: No one scammed me out of bitcoin with the BCH coin, but I have people keep trying to scam me out of my BTC by trying to get me to buy their LTC and stuff
[2017-11-14 22:11] ID=13847 sabotagebeats: lol how is that a scam when ltc went up more than bitcoin this year
[2017-11-14 22:11] ID=13848 RE_ID=13844 Rassah: Good. I'm glad it did. Means investors are making their choices
[2017-11-14 22:12] ID=13849 sabotagebeats: dogecoin has 2 doge cost for transaction
[2017-11-14 22:12] ID=13850 RE_ID=13847 Rassah: Because LTC owners/pushers want me to give up my BTC to them in exchange for their LTC
[2017-11-14 22:12] ID=13851 sabotagebeats: and transfers in 30 seconds
[2017-11-14 22:12] ID=13852 sabotagebeats: i actually prefer that you don't buy ltc
[2017-11-14 22:12] ID=13853 Rassah: I don't
[2017-11-14 22:12] ID=13854 sabotagebeats: but it's your business
[2017-11-14 22:13] ID=13855 sabotagebeats: in any case dogecoin is a better transaction mechanism than bitcoin cash for small payments
[2017-11-14 22:13] ID=13856 sabotagebeats: faster cheaper cuter
[2017-11-14 22:13] ID=13857 Rassah: As I said, there's no reason to have more that one currency. It creates unnecessary friction, risk, and costs.
[2017-11-14 22:13] ID=13858 sabotagebeats: then why have bitcoin cash you just said you're glad there's two
[2017-11-14 22:13] ID=13859 sabotagebeats: i think you're contradicting yourself now
[2017-11-14 22:13] ID=13860 RE_ID=13855 Rassah: And? Same problem as LTC
[2017-11-14 22:14] ID=13861 sabotagebeats: the problem that they have completely different branding?
[2017-11-14 22:14] ID=13862 sabotagebeats: that's a feature not a bug
[2017-11-14 22:14] ID=13863 sabotagebeats: the fact they have communities which don't threaten eachother and harass eachother :)
[2017-11-14 22:14] ID=13864 RE_ID=13858 Rassah: I'm glad there's two, because now to scaling solutions can compete, instead of us being forced to have only one, and in the very long term one will win.
[2017-11-14 22:14] ID=13865 sabotagebeats: and that don't try to extort eachother with hashrate
[2017-11-14 22:14] ID=13866 sabotagebeats: in the long term neither will win they will both exist
[2017-11-14 22:15] ID=13867 sabotagebeats: do you realize how hard it is to kill a distributed ledger
[2017-11-14 22:15] ID=13868 sabotagebeats: lol
[2017-11-14 22:15] ID=13869 Rassah: Without BCH, would you know that on-chain scaling is a bad idea? No. That's just what we hear. Now we'll get to see which scaling option is best and let the market decide
[2017-11-14 22:15] ID=13870 sabotagebeats: personally i think the bitcoin community bch and btc are both toxic right now
[2017-11-14 22:15] ID=13871 sabotagebeats: mainly due to big blockers extorting everyone
[2017-11-14 22:15] ID=13872 RE_ID=13867 Rassah: Very easy. Just make it unprofitable to mine and have miners drop it.
[2017-11-14 22:15] ID=13873 sabotagebeats: i'd rather be in a scam coin with a healthy community
[2017-11-14 22:16] ID=13874 sabotagebeats: than a scam coin with a bunch of douches extorting everyone
[2017-11-14 22:16] ID=13875 RE_ID=13871 Rassah: Extorting? I never got extorted. How did they extort you?
[2017-11-14 22:16] ID=13876 sabotagebeats: you think that 0.5 btc price wasn't extortion?
[2017-11-14 22:16] ID=13877 sabotagebeats: lol
[2017-11-14 22:16] ID=13878 RE_ID=13855 Transisto: No code update in 2 years, apparently it's not worth attacking with what was made public at (Breaking Bitcoin)
[2017-11-14 22:16] ID=13879 sabotagebeats: code updates in august check again
[2017-11-14 22:17] ID=13880 Rassah: Honestly, personally I'd rather be in a group of the original founders, investors, builders, developers, and business entrepreneurs who built up bitcoin from the very beginning, than with some "Me too!" types from LTC.
[2017-11-14 22:17] ID=13881 RE_ID=13876 Rassah: What?
[2017-11-14 22:18] ID=13882 sabotagebeats: ^^ scare everyone into panic selling at 0.5 with hashrate attack coinciding with fud coinciding with pump
[2017-11-14 22:18] ID=13883 sabotagebeats: that's extortion imo
[2017-11-14 22:18] ID=13884 sabotagebeats: if you don't see it that way that's probably why you accepted working with mycelium despite the MT scam
[2017-11-14 22:21] ID=13885 Rassah: Hash rate attack? Please. Choosing profits isn't attack
[2017-11-14 22:21] ID=13886 RE_ID=13884 Rassah: I started working with them 2 years before MT
[2017-11-14 22:24] ID=13887 sabotagebeats: it just seems like a bad judgement of character
[2017-11-14 22:24] ID=13888 sabotagebeats: is consistent
[2017-11-14 22:25] ID=13889 sabotagebeats: choosing profits isn't an attack but gaming the system to coordinate everything with the EDA was definitely an attack
[2017-11-14 22:25] ID=13890 RE_ID=13887 Rassah: I was made promises and was lied to. So maybe
[2017-11-14 22:26] ID=13891 RE_ID=13889 Rassah: Believing that all the miners and all the  investors involved in that BCH switch was coordinated is cultish paranoid lunacy
[2017-11-14 22:26] ID=13892 sabotagebeats: right and that's what I think is going on again
[2017-11-14 22:26] ID=13893 sabotagebeats: we're being made promises and being lied to
[2017-11-14 22:27] ID=13894 sabotagebeats: by known fraudsters who you seem to be calling "the original people who created bitcoin"
[2017-11-14 22:27] ID=13895 RE_ID=13893 Rassah: By Mycelium? I haven't seen any statements or promises since I left
[2017-11-14 22:27] ID=13896 sabotagebeats: no
[2017-11-14 22:27] ID=13897 sabotagebeats: by bcash
[2017-11-14 22:28] ID=13898 RE_ID=13894 Rassah: Uh, really? Known fraudsters? It's rather sad that you think most of the people who made bitcoin what it is today are just fraudsters. I guess bitcoin is a fraud
[2017-11-14 22:28] ID=13899 sabotagebeats: you don't think that craig wright is a known fraudster?
[2017-11-14 22:29] ID=13900 sabotagebeats: bitcoin.com has outright lies on it. you think that's acceptable?
[2017-11-14 22:29] ID=13901 Rassah: I don't think he was around since bitcoin's beginning, or has built anything to support it, or has done anything other than say things.
[2017-11-14 22:29] ID=13902 sabotagebeats: he says that he is satoshi
[2017-11-14 22:29] ID=13903 RE_ID=13899 Rassah: What has he done besides distract you?
[2017-11-14 22:29] ID=13904 sabotagebeats: that is a fraud
[2017-11-14 22:30] ID=13905 RE_ID=13902 Rassah: I'm Satoshi too. So what
[2017-11-14 22:30] ID=13906 sabotagebeats: wrongful or criminal deception intended to result in financial or personal gain
[2017-11-14 22:30] ID=13907 Rassah: No, I'm talking about the people who actually did things.
[2017-11-14 22:30] ID=13908 sabotagebeats: i think that people believing he is satoshi is personal gain
[2017-11-14 22:30] ID=13909 sabotagebeats: like who
[2017-11-14 22:30] ID=13910 Rassah: When did you get into bitcoin, anyway? 2014 or later?
[2017-11-14 22:31] ID=13911 sabotagebeats: no before that
[2017-11-14 22:33] ID=13912 Rassah: Gavin, Erik, Rick Falkvinge, Vinny, Julian, Brian, and about a dozen others
[2017-11-14 22:33] ID=13913 sabotagebeats: i got into litecoin in 2014
[2017-11-14 22:33] ID=13914 Rassah: Unfortunately I'm bad with names...
[2017-11-14 22:33] ID=13915 sabotagebeats: rick falkvinge lol
[2017-11-14 22:33] ID=13916 sabotagebeats: erik is not in the bcash camp from what i can tell and neither is vinny
[2017-11-14 22:34] ID=13917 Rassah: He's the reason a lot of people are invested in it, including me
[2017-11-14 22:34] ID=13918 Rassah: Pretty sure they are now
[2017-11-14 22:34] ID=13919 RE_ID=13899 DoubleYouSee23: Known fraudster, has nothing to do with btc
[2017-11-14 22:34] ID=13920 sabotagebeats: right but does have to do with bcash
[2017-11-14 22:34] ID=13921 RE_ID=13902 DoubleYouSee23: he's lying. I'm satoshi.
[2017-11-14 22:37] ID=13922 Rassah: Almost everyone who runs a business that brings new people onboard and gives people a reason to invest in bitcoin has been complaining about fees, high costs of customer support, and losing customers (potential new Bitcoin investors), and have been complaining about Core promising scaling solutions two years ago, and backing down every time. Glad SegWit is finally out, but the trust has been ruined for many.
[2017-11-14 22:38] ID=13923 sabotagebeats: yea i felt the same way about many of them when they pledged NYA in a back room deal
[2017-11-14 22:38] ID=13924 Rassah: I even joked about forwarding all the dozens of emails we received to Mycelium about high fees and long tx times to Core directly back when I worked there
[2017-11-14 22:39] ID=13925 RE_ID=13923 Rassah: Any more cult propaganda you are convinced of?
[2017-11-14 22:39] ID=13926 sabotagebeats: but litecoins a scam *shrug* it sounds like you are the one in the cult which is kind of sad as i used to look up to you
[2017-11-14 22:39] ID=13927 Rassah: Are you one of those who believes that Satoshi left because Gavin went to speak to the CIA?
[2017-11-14 22:40] ID=13928 sabotagebeats: no i think satoshi is cryogenically frozen
[2017-11-14 22:40] ID=13929 sabotagebeats: but ican't know for sure
[2017-11-14 22:40] ID=13930 RE_ID=13923 Rassah: It wasn't a back room deal. It was public, at a public conference, to which Core devs were invited to. That's why I keep saying I think you're in a cult and don't realize it
[2017-11-14 22:41] ID=13931 sabotagebeats: bitcoin is a cult lol
[2017-11-14 22:41] ID=13932 Rassah: That's true
[2017-11-14 22:45] ID=13933 sabotagebeats: so what about all the noobs who get fucked over by the confusion
[2017-11-14 22:45] ID=13934 sabotagebeats: we gonna blame that on core too?
[2017-11-14 22:45] ID=13935 Rassah: What about them?
[2017-11-14 22:46] ID=13936 sabotagebeats: like is it ok that they are gonna lose money because they don't know the difference between bitcoin core and bitcoin cash
[2017-11-14 22:46] ID=13937 sprks: anyone wanna buy my MT coins?
[2017-11-14 22:46] ID=13938 sabotagebeats: ^^^ same
[2017-11-14 22:46] ID=13939 Rassah: If they research before investing, instead of just gambling, they won't get fucked over. And if they get fucked over, they'll learn a valuable lesson. It's not your job to teach them, or worse, to be their socialist government agency set up to protect them.
[2017-11-14 22:47] ID=13940 sabotagebeats: so instead we should actively try to be deceptive and confusing in order to make more difficult for them?
[2017-11-14 22:48] ID=13941 Rassah: It's not deceptive for two competing products to try to win market share
[2017-11-14 22:48] ID=13942 sabotagebeats: it is when they're both named the same thing although one isn't actually that thing
[2017-11-14 22:48] ID=13943 sabotagebeats: hence why litecoin isn't a scam
[2017-11-14 22:48] ID=13944 sabotagebeats: it wins its market share on it's own
[2017-11-14 22:48] ID=13945 Transisto: Or bgold
[2017-11-14 22:48] ID=13946 Rassah: You're free to try to educate them on what you think is a better option, and your competition is free to do the same
[2017-11-14 22:49] ID=13947 sabotagebeats: tha'ts what i'm saying
[2017-11-14 22:49] ID=13948 sabotagebeats: that's not what is going on
[2017-11-14 22:49] ID=13949 RE_ID=13942 Rassah: But they're both that thing. Both start from Genesis block, both follow the same rules...
[2017-11-14 22:49] ID=13950 sabotagebeats: i guess in the same vein that ethereum classic is the same thing as ethereum
[2017-11-14 22:50] ID=13951 sabotagebeats: are they really the same thing? no
[2017-11-14 22:50] ID=13952 RE_ID=13948 Rassah: It's not?
[2017-11-14 22:50] ID=13953 sabotagebeats: no it's not
[2017-11-14 22:50] ID=13954 Rassah: They're two competing products with similar goals
[2017-11-14 22:50] ID=13955 sabotagebeats: because the branding is misleading on purpose
[2017-11-14 22:50] ID=13956 Transisto: No, one was forked without much concensus thus cannot claim to Bitcoin.
[2017-11-14 22:50] ID=13957 sabotagebeats: agreed
[2017-11-14 22:51] ID=13958 RE_ID=13956 Rassah: Not until it gets majority consensus I guess
[2017-11-14 22:51] ID=13959 Rassah: But, I'm not a fan of concern trolling
[2017-11-14 22:52] ID=13960 Transisto: It's before fork you need to achieve concensus, not 6 month later
[2017-11-14 22:52] ID=13961 sabotagebeats: yep
[2017-11-14 22:52] ID=13962 Rassah: As an investor, I want both camps fighting hard to win me over, trying to offer me the best they have, and I want to be the one to choose what I like
[2017-11-14 22:53] ID=13963 sabotagebeats: as an investor i want consensus and moving forward, not infighting and contentious forks
[2017-11-14 22:53] ID=13964 Rassah: I don't want that choice to be made for me by Core, or it's supporters, or not people who claim to be concerned about the poor stupid little guy
[2017-11-14 22:53] ID=13965 RE_ID=13960 Rassah: Why? Where's that rule at?
[2017-11-14 22:53] ID=13966 sabotagebeats: or n"ot people who claim to be concerned about the poor stupid little guy" what does that mean
[2017-11-14 22:53] ID=13967 RE_ID=13965 sabotagebeats: this is why we gonna have bgold and bgold plus classic
[2017-11-14 22:53] ID=13968 sabotagebeats: because of that attitude
[2017-11-14 22:54] ID=13969 RE_ID=13966 Rassah: This
[2017-11-14 22:54] ID=13970 RE_ID=13940 Rassah: This
[2017-11-14 22:54] ID=13971 sabotagebeats: you were never a noob?
[2017-11-14 22:54] ID=13972 Rassah: I don't even care about bgold.
[2017-11-14 22:54] ID=13973 sabotagebeats: lol well maybe consensus will lie with bgold?
[2017-11-14 22:54] ID=13974 sabotagebeats: who knows
[2017-11-14 22:55] ID=13975 Rassah: They have nothing good to offer me
[2017-11-14 22:55] ID=13976 sabotagebeats: obviously you were never a noob you came into bitcoin with a full knowledge of it right?
[2017-11-14 22:55] ID=13977 RE_ID=13965 Transisto: As it relates to claiming to be Bitcoin proper, not bitcoin forked cash.
[2017-11-14 22:55] ID=13978 RE_ID=13971 Rassah: Of course I was. And I was glad I didn't have some authority figure telling me what to invest in, because at the time all the authorities were telling me not to invest in bitcoin
[2017-11-14 22:56] ID=13979 sabotagebeats: so no one taught you about bitcoin you just learned on your own?
[2017-11-14 22:56] ID=13980 sabotagebeats: no one helped you ever to understand anything?
[2017-11-14 22:57] ID=13981 sabotagebeats: noobs don't deserve to get helped is pretty much what i'm picking up here
[2017-11-14 22:58] ID=13982 RE_ID=13979 Rassah: Yes. I was an investor in game currencies, like Second Life, for almost 10 years by the time bitcoin came around, and when I heard about it, I learned about it myself by reading about how it works and various articles by different people involved in it, and those claiming it was crap. Of course I immediately understood it was a great idea and a great investment.\nThought it was Rick Falkvinge's June 2011 article that convinced me to take the risk and move all my savings into bitcoin like he said he did.
[2017-11-14 22:59] ID=13983 RE_ID=13981 Rassah: We must tell noobs what to do, and prevent anyone whom we disagree with from telling them anything, is what I'm getting from you
[2017-11-14 23:01] ID=13984 Rassah: If you're worried about BCH, work on your marketing, not your authoritarian fantasies
[2017-11-14 23:01] ID=13985 sabotagebeats: i'm worried about bch sabotaging bitcoin and rekting noobs who are buying on coinbase as we speak
[2017-11-14 23:02] ID=13986 sabotagebeats: it's not my marketing it's the existing system a
[2017-11-14 23:02] ID=13987 RE_ID=13984 DoubleYouSee23: don't even work on marketing, work on the project itself.
[2017-11-14 23:02] ID=13988 sabotagebeats: *system
[2017-11-14 23:02] ID=13989 Rassah: Let them buy. You don't know BTC is a better option than BCH. No one does
[2017-11-14 23:02] ID=13990 RE_ID=13985 DoubleYouSee23: You cant buy bch on coinbase
[2017-11-14 23:03] ID=13991 sabotagebeats: right but each time bch attacks bitcoin then noobs lose money
[2017-11-14 23:03] ID=13992 RE_ID=13987 Rassah: ^ this. I'm an investor investing in your product, not your fancy words and assurances. The devs are working for me, and taking risks for me, not the other way around.
[2017-11-14 23:04] ID=13993 RE_ID=13991 Rassah: Good. They hopefully also learn. Lots of noobs lost money on LTC and other alts too
[2017-11-14 23:04] ID=13994 Rassah: No better way to learn than to lose money :D
[2017-11-14 23:05] ID=13995 sabotagebeats: what are they gonna learn? that bch keeps attacking bitcoin so they lose money? that they should never have invested in digital currencies because all they did was lose money and it was a scam? which then makes the entire thing look like a scam?
[2017-11-14 23:05] ID=13996 sabotagebeats: they don't even understand that bch and bitcoin are different
[2017-11-14 23:06] ID=13997 sabotagebeats: todeserve to get rekt is the same as to say the people who bought MT deserve to get rekt
[2017-11-14 23:07] ID=13998 sabotagebeats: *to say that they deserve
[2017-11-14 23:07] ID=13999 RE_ID=13995 Rassah: They'll learn not to buy BCH I guess?
[2017-11-14 23:07] ID=14000 sabotagebeats: then you say "DYOR"
[2017-11-14 23:07] ID=14001 RE_ID=13999 sabotagebeats: no they'll learn that digital currencies are garbage and go back to fiat
[2017-11-14 23:07] ID=14002 sabotagebeats: then you say "dyor" but also say "I was lied to" about MT
[2017-11-14 23:08] ID=14003 RE_ID=13996 Rassah: If they don't, they shouldn't be investing in the first place. Hopefully at least they, like all investors should, learn to only invest in something you understand
[2017-11-14 23:08] ID=14004 sabotagebeats: intentional obfuscation and deception doesn't help them understamnd
[2017-11-14 23:09] ID=14005 RE_ID=14001 Rassah: They are already learning that with $2 tx fees. So what
[2017-11-14 23:09] ID=14006 Rassah: Weak hands don't belong in BTC
[2017-11-14 23:11] ID=14007 Rassah: I bought at $6, then $16, then $22, and finally at $30, before bitcoin went all the way down to $2.50 over the course of 5 months, while everyone was declaring bitcoin dead. I didn't sell, I was buying more. I learned to invest based on understanding what I'm investing in, not based on price. Those who invest in bitcoin just for the price probably aren't in it for the ultimate goals it was designed for anyway.
[2017-11-14 23:11] ID=14008 Rassah: Worst case is we have Bitcoin completely dominated by statist investors demanding we turn it into gov coin 😒
[2017-11-14 23:18] ID=14009 sabotagebeats: that's what seems to be happening in china with bcash
[2017-11-14 23:18] ID=14010 sabotagebeats: but it's so hard to get information out of china so who knows
[2017-11-14 23:18] ID=14011 Rassah: Which is fine
[2017-11-14 23:19] ID=14012 Rassah: That's great for BTC even, since that means statists will end up going into and taking over another chain instead of BTC.
[2017-11-14 23:33] ID=14013 sabotagebeats: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2378769.0
[2017-11-14 23:34] ID=14014 sabotagebeats: Buy the real bitcoin, bitcoin bronze ethereum token
[2017-11-14 23:34] ID=14015 sabotagebeats: lol
[2017-11-14 23:39] ID=14016 RE_ID=13811 Giszmo: we certainly would not need another coin to add more precision to Bitcoin. Make a sidechain that allows you to use 20 digits more if a hardfork to add it on the chain fails.
[2017-11-14 23:59] ID=14017 Rassah: 👍
[2017-11-15 00:00] ID=14018 sabotagebeats: other coins are sidechains
[2017-11-15 00:02] ID=14019 Rassah: You can't trade them, guaranteed, 1-to-1, so they're not
[2017-11-15 00:03] ID=14020 Rassah: Sidechains are like cents to dollars, while alts are like pesos to dollars
[2017-11-15 06:24] ID=14021 RE_ID=13820 AROMACOMPUTERS: and would have broke 21 mill if was designed with more than 8
[2017-11-15 06:25] ID=14022 RE_ID=14021 AROMACOMPUTERS: Think hard what an 9th decimal would do
[2017-11-15 06:49] ID=14023 RE_ID=14022 Rassah: ..... What
[2017-11-15 08:05] ID=14024 Talon8Ya: You guys are kidding about the decimal places correct? Because I know you guys know more than this.
[2017-11-15 08:10] ID=14025 Talon8Ya: Not my words here I'm too tired to do it myself. \n>>>>If there is a need for them, additional decimal places can be added with concensus of the network. This is why some refer to "infinite" divisibility, because we can select the level that we need as time goes on.\n\nThe current level selected in the code (by Satoshi) is 8 decimal places (1 satoshi = 0.00000001 BTC) hence the nickname for the smallest unit currently possible for bitcoin today.\n\nAs a thought exercise, if a consensus of the network (miners, but also clients and server applications for compatibility reasons) decides to update to a version of the protocol that includes 16 decimal places inspired by your post, we could end up with a new base unit (1 satoshi = 100,000,000 gracchi) as well as nanobitcoins (nBTC), picobitcoins (pBTC), and even femtobitcoins (fBTC, 10 gracchi)<<<<
[2017-11-15 08:14] ID=14026 RE_ID=14024 Rassah: I know, right? 😑
[2017-11-15 08:17] ID=14027 RE_ID=14026 Talon8Ya: Math doth not lie. LOL it gave me a good chuckle before I go off to bed.
[2017-11-15 09:58] ID=14028 theillson: Hey Mycellium, when can I get my money back from your “crowdfunding” campaign???
[2017-11-15 09:59] ID=14029 theillson: Does anyone have an answer
[2017-11-15 10:12] ID=14030 BB_Martino: 'When' suggests that you got a promise that your investment would be returned.
[2017-11-15 17:10] ID=14031 undisc losed: None
[2017-11-15 17:12] ID=14032 undisc losed: Please, is there any reason why the MT tokens are not listed on any exchange yet?
[2017-11-15 17:14] ID=14033 undisc losed: Seems like a sensible thing to do with tokens no?
[2017-11-15 17:55] ID=14034 RE_ID=14032 ShortFatUglyDumb: Mycelium can't force any exchange to list them. It's up to the exchanges. More MT holders need to request exchanges list it.
[2017-11-15 18:10] ID=14035 Rassah: If anyone is curious about what I moved on to after Mycelium, here's the group https://t.me/AcademyToken
[2017-11-15 19:54] ID=14036 undisc losed: Thing is many excanges charge for listing, some of them 5 btc
[2017-11-15 19:57] ID=14037 undisc losed: In my experience devs contact the exchanges after a crowd sale to be listed, and in this case it appears to have been left out.
[2017-11-15 19:57] ID=14038 RE_ID=14036 Rassah: I don't know if that's a way to keep scammers off, or only allow scammers in
[2017-11-15 19:58] ID=14039 RE_ID=14037 Rassah: Mycelium devs contacted a bunch of exchanges. Some wanted a lot of money, others just didn't want to be involved
[2017-11-15 19:59] ID=14040 undisc losed: There are many exchanges that will list for free too, anything will do really
[2017-11-15 19:59] ID=14041 undisc losed: Right, must be a question of the howey test
[2017-11-15 20:00] ID=14042 undisc losed: The legal aspect could be solved by a bit of creative wording to make it fit
[2017-11-15 20:01] ID=14043 undisc losed: I just wish I could have access to some of that money back
[2017-11-15 20:02] ID=14044 undisc losed: Rebuy would be perfect in my case
[2017-11-15 20:47] ID=14045 blitztoken: some easy exchanges to get in cryptopia or kucoin
[2017-11-15 20:52] ID=14046 undisc losed: Maybe we should open a btc-MT at bitshares
[2017-11-15 21:14] ID=14047 RE_ID=14043 m4rtin1: How much do you want
[2017-11-15 21:26] ID=14048 undisc losed: Ideally i would love a buyback program. The legal process was a grey area at the time, so the best scenario would be to offer buyback to investors.
[2017-11-15 21:27] ID=14049 undisc losed: Martin you mean how much i would be willing to sell my MTs for? 1 btc would be a blessing, but i guess i would be willing to take a loss on this one
[2017-11-15 21:29] ID=14050 undisc losed: Are you a believer and you are accumulating coins?
[2017-11-15 21:43] ID=14051 m4rtin1: Rn I'm just interested
[2017-11-15 22:09] ID=14052 RE_ID=14049 DoubleYouSee23: I do not believe it is correct to assume that mycelium gained in value as quickly as bitcoin. A break even point is not 1MT=1btc but 1MT=0.0548 btc
[2017-11-15 22:09] ID=14053 DoubleYouSee23: 
[2017-11-15 22:14] ID=14054 undisc losed: That is saddest thing i have read all day
[2017-11-15 22:15] ID=14055 DoubleYouSee23: being told there is no Santa hurts.
[2017-11-15 22:18] ID=14056 undisc losed: Losing the farm to broken promises hurts
[2017-11-15 22:21] ID=14057 Rakesh Sharma: None
[2017-11-15 22:21] ID=14058 undisc losed: If the crowd sale was supposed to be a donation, i would not have made a life changing donation to it
[2017-11-15 22:22] ID=14059 Rakesh Sharma: Hello urgent help needed
[2017-11-15 22:22] ID=14060 Rakesh Sharma: My mycelium wallet balance showing 0
[2017-11-15 22:22] ID=14061 Rakesh Sharma: What to do now
[2017-11-15 22:23] ID=14062 Rakesh Sharma: I have balance of 0.65 btc
[2017-11-15 22:23] ID=14063 Rakesh Sharma: I am really scared
[2017-11-15 22:23] ID=14064 Rakesh Sharma: Pls help me
[2017-11-15 22:39] ID=14065 undisc losed: And as much as i know this crypto, and it's the wild west and all, anyone who decided to invest in the crowdsale was expecting a profit. Or they would not have sent anything, and the fact is the coins we got in exchange were never tradable anywhere, so they were effectively made worthless. How can someone sleep at night knowing they sold untradable coins in exchange for 5000 btc?
[2017-11-15 22:44] ID=14066 undisc losed: If the option existed to sell, fine, we made a loss, we can always pull out in time and move on. But in this case we were told we would be able to trade them directly in the wallet, along with countless other coins and assets, and btc credit card, and what else were foreshadowed on the crowdsale page.
[2017-11-15 22:48] ID=14067 undisc losed: Instead we got tokens that not only we can't sell, but are surely illegal to hold. And we are told to be patient while other wallets are thriving. How come we have to use coinomi wallet to get to our forked coins when mycelium wallet should be worth at least 50 million in investor funds only?
[2017-11-15 22:50] ID=14068 undisc losed: I mean, yeah, it sure hurts, and some people should be ashamed of themselves for not making sure the people spending their money on them doesn't lose it all.
[2017-11-15 22:58] ID=14069 undisc losed: And if they do, at least apologize for it and try to make up for their loss by other means. Not just hide and avoid.
[2017-11-15 23:02] ID=14070 Rassah: I kinda always assumed no investment out there could beat bitcoin itself
[2017-11-15 23:03] ID=14071 sabotagebeats: litecoin and ethereum both have this year
[2017-11-15 23:03] ID=14072 sabotagebeats: but only for this year
[2017-11-15 23:04] ID=14073 Rakesh Sharma: Is it official telegram for mycelium wallet?
[2017-11-15 23:04] ID=14074 RE_ID=14071 Rassah: Still questioning it long term
[2017-11-15 23:04] ID=14075 undisc losed: I could have assumed that also, but i didn't think my coins would be kept captive until years later either. How many people are in my situation, waiting for an answer? All i can say is that isn't what i call integrity.
[2017-11-15 23:04] ID=14076 RE_ID=14073 Rassah: Yes
[2017-11-15 23:04] ID=14077 RE_ID=14075 sabotagebeats: i'm here with you in the same situation
[2017-11-15 23:04] ID=14078 RE_ID=14060 Rassah: @Giszmo
[2017-11-15 23:04] ID=14079 Rakesh Sharma: Oh
[2017-11-15 23:04] ID=14080 Rakesh Sharma: Then what to do now
[2017-11-15 23:05] ID=14081 Rassah: Best would be to submit a support ticket on Mycelium site
[2017-11-15 23:08] ID=14082 undisc losed: Not having great returns is one thing, but being given nothing in exchange for your money is another
[2017-11-15 23:09] ID=14083 RE_ID=14060 Giszmo: Scary but not necessarily as bad as it looks. Did you use the delete transaction feature for example? What happens when you reload the account from the accounts tab? Can you archive and re-activate the account?
[2017-11-15 23:09] ID=14084 Rakesh Sharma: Can you please let me know how to send support ticket
[2017-11-15 23:09] ID=14085 RE_ID=14083 Rakesh Sharma: I haven’t tried that option
[2017-11-15 23:10] ID=14086 RE_ID=14083 m4rtin1: It's about an incoming tx
[2017-11-15 23:15] ID=14087 RE_ID=14083 Rakesh Sharma: I just checked on the explorer and it is showing that it got transferred to another address
[2017-11-15 23:16] ID=14088 Giszmo: depending on how much you know about how bitcoin works, this might or might not be bad news. Does that transaction show up on the transaction history?
[2017-11-15 23:17] ID=14089 m4rtin1: 19C5mKriiNc8dzvj5oE47VJWvfCjXTMhCN
[2017-11-15 23:17] ID=14090 m4rtin1: This is his address
[2017-11-15 23:18] ID=14091 m4rtin1: https://blockchain.info/address/19C5mKriiNc8dzvj5oE47VJWvfCjXTMhCN
[2017-11-15 23:19] ID=14092 m4rtin1: Final balance 0
[2017-11-15 23:21] ID=14093 Giszmo: that does not look ok.
[2017-11-15 23:22] ID=14094 Giszmo: what version of the app are you using? is it a rooted phone? Can you verify it is the original apk from the playstore? how did you create the wallet? Did you restore from a backup?
[2017-11-15 23:23] ID=14095 Giszmo: how did you get these coins? did you import a paper wallet?
[2017-11-15 23:23] ID=14096 RE_ID=14094 m4rtin1: I don't think it's an app issue
[2017-11-15 23:24] ID=14097 m4rtin1: Actually I was checking my claimable btg balance on bitcoin gold web site
[2017-11-15 23:24] ID=14098 m4rtin1: There I had put my phrase
[2017-11-15 23:24] ID=14099 sabotagebeats: uh oh
[2017-11-15 23:24] ID=14100 Giszmo: no comment
[2017-11-15 23:24] ID=14101 sabotagebeats: The joys of forks :(
[2017-11-15 23:24] ID=14102 m4rtin1: 
[2017-11-15 23:24] ID=14103 sabotagebeats: lol
[2017-11-15 23:42] ID=14104 RE_ID=14098 DoubleYouSee23: It sounds like your money was stolen.
[2017-11-15 23:42] ID=14105 DoubleYouSee23: I'm sorry.
[2017-11-15 23:44] ID=14106 RE_ID=14094 Rakesh Sharma: I am using iOS app
[2017-11-15 23:44] ID=14107 Rakesh Sharma: v14
[2017-11-15 23:45] ID=14108 sabotagebeats: if money was stolen should be able to see the address with the history and the address where it went
[2017-11-15 23:45] ID=14109 sabotagebeats: which is not going to get it recovered but at least you know it's stolen for sure and not a technical glitch of some kind
[2017-11-15 23:46] ID=14110 RE_ID=14106 Giszmo: If you did what Martin shared some lines above, then it was not an app issue. You gave the keys to all your coins to some random website. I only wonder if you reported the website. There is nothing Mycelium can do other than to educate users.
[2017-11-15 23:47] ID=14111 Rakesh Sharma: Ok
[2017-11-15 23:47] ID=14112 Rakesh Sharma: I have also mailed them
[2017-11-15 23:49] ID=14113 sabotagebeats: oh i see the address has been fully withdrawn :(
[2017-11-16 02:23] ID=14114 undisc losed: From the crowdsale terms : Resale\nYou are free to resell, gift, pledge your rights the way you want. In about a month you will be able to control your share of Mycelium right in Mycelium Wallet.
[2017-11-16 02:42] ID=14115 undisc losed: 2500 people invested with a reasonable expectation of profit. They were given nothing in return for their money, and no way to get out. When we try to have information about what is happening we are confronted with the same attitude you get when someone owes you money but they don't want to give it to you. How do you expect we should feel?
[2017-11-16 02:44] ID=14116 BB_Martino: After reading the T&C promising nothing (except maybe controlling your tokens from the wallet), I didn't think it'd be reasonable to invest or expect profits.
[2017-11-16 02:45] ID=14117 BB_Martino: Reasonable is subjective I guess.
[2017-11-16 02:45] ID=14118 undisc losed: There is a point where "this is crypto" just won't cut it
[2017-11-16 03:01] ID=14119 undisc losed: If you set up an investment plan, and you flash how great it will be for your investors in a way to get them into sending you money, and at the bottom you say that you "cannot guarantee profits", it does not make it okay to give nothing in return.
[2017-11-16 03:02] ID=14120 undisc losed: Nobody invested in expectation that they will lose it all.
[2017-11-16 03:04] ID=14121 undisc losed: Mycelium is responsible for the gathering of investors money, and to give them something for it. This is not charity.
[2017-11-16 03:07] ID=14122 undisc losed: As much as i want to understand that this is crypto and people have a different moral set, i still think giving your supporters something for their money is the least they can expect.
[2017-11-16 03:46] ID=14123 undisc losed: It is morally sound to make sure the people taking the risks for you, has a chance to win something in exchange for taking that risk, or at least jump ship if they don't trust you anymore. You cannot tell your investors "it's your fault, you should not have trusted me, i told you that i cannot guarantee any returns" while there was never any doubt in your head that you would take the money and not give any of it back. You cannot call your investors stupid for falling into a trap that you setup and feel okay about it. I mean it's hard not to feel we were abused if the only point of sending you our money is losing it all. And if that was the plan in the first place, then try calling it a donation and see how much you willingly raise that way. Surely not 5000 btc. This is not what happened. We were told mycelium would see unprecedented developments, would become a multi-currency wallet with countless integrations, and a currency exchange right in the wallet. We were told to expect a "massive upgrade" , with pictures of integrated multiple wallets along with it. What have we seen for it so far? How many more years should we wait without any feedback? It's normal for us investors to feel abused and we need to be shown something in return for our investment.
[2017-11-16 03:47] ID=14124 undisc losed: I know i should not have invested as much as i did, but i believed in this project as being the best one. The one that would bring it all together. And i believed that because that is what the crowdsale page was saying. Is it not normal for me to feel decieved when years later nothing of it takes shape?
[2017-11-16 03:49] ID=14125 undisc losed: You can go ahead and continue thinking it's okay to raise money from people and not providing them anything in return, but there is sentiments associated with that, and i know that 2500 people have it right now.
[2017-11-16 03:59] ID=14126 undisc losed: A simple explanation of the situation and a realistic updated plan for the future would be sufficient for the investors to understand that there is still a plan to make it up to them.
[2017-11-16 04:03] ID=14127 undisc losed: It would only be fair, and that is what i ask.
[2017-11-16 04:10] ID=14128 BB_Martino: I don't think there is a plan to "make it up to them". Most of the funds were spent on lawyers, supposedly.\n\nThe "plan" is still the same as before: if MyC ever becomes financially successful and starts being traded publicly and turns a big profit, you may make claims based on your tokens but I'd be really surprised if that happened.
[2017-11-16 04:59] ID=14129 RE_ID=14125 Rassah: But you did get something in return
[2017-11-16 05:50] ID=14130 undisc losed: An untradable coin is worthless. And that is what we had in return.
[2017-11-16 05:59] ID=14131 Rassah: If you read your contract, it actually gives you the right to a percentage of company's growth value
[2017-11-16 05:59] ID=14132 Rassah: It's like a stock I guess. You have a claim to a part of a company
[2017-11-16 05:59] ID=14133 Rassah: It's just that people don't think the company is worth much or something
[2017-11-16 06:05] ID=14134 undisc losed: Fair enough, ask around and see for yourself if the investors are happy of the current outcome, and what they think about it. If there is a way to evaluate what the company is worth, and what our shares are worth, then fine. But we are left in the dark for years and we need to see something.
[2017-11-16 06:14] ID=14135 undisc losed: A stock you can always sell back, this token we are stuck with it, no refund and no where to sell. That is far from fair.
[2017-11-16 06:16] ID=14136 undisc losed: There has to be an exit mechanism in place, or it's not an investment, it's a donation.
[2017-11-16 06:20] ID=14137 RE_ID=14134 Rassah: They're not happy. That's obvious
[2017-11-16 06:21] ID=14138 undisc losed: An unexpected donation to call it nicely
[2017-11-16 06:29] ID=14139 undisc losed: My life would be very different today if this investment was not awkwardly turned into a donation, let me tell you. Instead of hiding with my money, and avoid commenting about it, i am asking for some help understanding how i didn't just lose it all.
[2017-11-16 06:33] ID=14140 undisc losed: Mycelium for me was the obvious choice of investment, it was the leader, and i respected it fondly. why would it need to suddenly go dark on it's people once it got hold of our money?
[2017-11-16 06:37] ID=14141 undisc losed: I'm just saying something needs to be done, because we are hurting, and it's time it changes
[2017-11-16 07:00] ID=14142 undisc losed: Personally if knew i had 2500 people angry at me, i would try and dedicate resources to setup something for them to feel better. But maybe it's just me.
[2017-11-16 07:21] ID=14143 Rassah: 👍
[2017-11-16 08:41] ID=14144 zigurat777: None
[2017-11-16 10:57] ID=14145 theillson: I’m with you UL! The way they have treated this crowdsale is criminal. No updates, it’s been over a year and a half
[2017-11-16 12:04] ID=14146 AROMACOMPUTERS: Maybe people learned not to buy tokens.  Lesson learned?
[2017-11-16 12:07] ID=14147 RE_ID=14145 ethbitsMarketingPR: We been scammed bro
[2017-11-16 12:08] ID=14148 ethbitsMarketingPR: At least convert it to an eth token and get it on a fecking exchange lol
[2017-11-16 12:35] ID=14149 undisc losed: Suggestions could include publishing the company's quarterly reports, along with the associated values of the crowdsale portion. And/Or making a trade pair on a suitable exchange. If the token is too hard to implement, organize a swap to convert it to something else we can trade. And/or implement the holding of our private keys in a wallet (if not in mycelium itself like promised). If the value dropped significantly, consider extending the token to another portion of the company, or to a new one like a decentralised exchange, or a credit card with fees that would generate revenue for the holders and the devs. Making future development possible. Anything to make it healthy really.
[2017-11-16 16:22] ID=14150 joedoejoedoe: None
[2017-11-16 16:23] ID=14151 Rassah: I think you can hold it in the Mycelium wallet already
[2017-11-16 17:12] ID=14152 Juan: None
[2017-11-16 17:14] ID=14153 undisc losed: If it is true, then that is already something, and it should really be announced somewhere. People are waiting for this and can't just guess it. Anything is better than having the tokens held up by the colu website and hoping for the best.
[2017-11-16 17:17] ID=14154 undisc losed: I see, when adding a new account you can scroll down to add digital asset, and in there you can add MT tokens. Be careful as it says you need to backup this account separately from your mycelium account.
[2017-11-16 17:18] ID=14155 undisc losed: Thanks for the heads up Rassah
[2017-11-16 17:27] ID=14156 Rassah: Welcome. Mycelium should get a public person
[2017-11-16 17:34] ID=14159 undisc losed: https://dashboard.colu.co/login  worked
[2017-11-16 17:40] ID=14160 Juan: Hello everyone. My name is Juan. I have a serious problem with Mycelium, and I'm in the search for help. I'll expose my situation here, if you guys don't mind. Thank you in advance for your help.
[2017-11-16 17:40] ID=14161 Juan: Hello everyone and thanks for reading this.\n\nI have an account created in Mycelium. A few days ago I put a few hundred euros. And I confirm that they were in my account.\n\nToday I changed the PIN. And I wanted to make a backup. It told me that since the PIN had changed recently, I had to wait 2 days. (about 200 blocks, it said).\n\nThe fact is that I uninstalled the app and reinstalled it. I put the 12 words. And I it recognized my 12 words, but it turns out that the account does not have any bitcoins now.\n\nI have opened an Electrum account and put the 12 word there. It shows me a list of all the accounts, but none of them is the one with my money.\n\nThis is the account with money: 18c5QHhnjmUsZmgtLwma7cVAThr1Yg3H2J \n\nThe bitcoins are still there. But it appears its not connected with my seed.\n\nWhat happened? I didnt make a backup of the account for having changed the PIN and now I have lost everything? But if I had a PIN, in means that account was related with a 12 word seed, isn’t it? Mycelium doesnt let you put a PIN unless you have backed it up first. And I remember that before I uninstalled the app, it said “this account contains 3 private keys”. Do I have to wait for those 2 days that the app asked me?\n\nThanks a lot 
[2017-11-16 17:43] ID=14162 Rassah: Electrum is not standard, so backups don't work on it
[2017-11-16 17:43] ID=14163 Juan: Sorry Rassah, I'm not very good at this, I don't understand what you mean :(
[2017-11-16 17:44] ID=14164 Juan: This is what Electrum shows to me
[2017-11-16 17:44] ID=14165 Juan: 
[2017-11-16 17:44] ID=14166 Juan: The one in the top is the one that Mycelium is showng me right now in the app.
[2017-11-16 17:45] ID=14167 Rassah: electrum usa copias de seguridad patentadas. No es compatible con nada.
[2017-11-16 17:45] ID=14168 Juan: Ok, so, what do you think I should do?
[2017-11-16 17:46] ID=14169 Juan: Might it be a lag from Mycelium?
[2017-11-16 17:47] ID=14170 Rassah: Only use 12 words to restore backup. Nothing else
[2017-11-16 17:47] ID=14171 Rassah: @Giszmo speaks Spanish
[2017-11-16 17:48] ID=14172 Juan: Thats what I do, I install the app, ask it to restore a backup, put the 12 words, and this is what I get
[2017-11-16 17:48] ID=14173 Juan: 
[2017-11-16 17:51] ID=14174 Rassah: Did you have only one account or two?
[2017-11-16 17:52] ID=14175 Giszmo: Juan, mis ideas sobre donde uno puede perder Bitcoins están todas aguí: https://www.reddit.com/r/mycelium/comments/6twi4q/faq_did_i_lose_my_coins/
[2017-11-16 17:52] ID=14176 Giszmo: En Ingles pero supongo que sirve.
[2017-11-16 17:53] ID=14177 Juan: Gracias, lo leeré :)
[2017-11-16 19:49] ID=14178 Jack Oats: None
[2017-11-16 20:46] ID=14179 Juan: I want to say that thanks to Leo, I have recovered my bitcoins. Danke Leo. You are genius! And thank you Rassah for tell me about him. 👍😁
[2017-11-16 22:54] ID=14180 Giszmo: :)
[2017-11-17 00:28] ID=14181 ShortFatUglyDumb: Glad 2 hear the good news!
[2017-11-17 18:38] ID=14182 Transisto: Mycelium fee calculation has gone full retard!, 24h average should be about ~30sat/byte while mycelium's normal is at 630sat/byte and the 2nd lowest fee (after 1 sat/byte) is already too high at 63sat/byte.
[2017-11-17 18:39] ID=14183 Transisto: 
[2017-11-17 18:42] ID=14184 RE_ID=14182 theultimatum: 
[2017-11-18 01:01] ID=14185 Giszmo: @Transisto the fee algorithm is making a prediction and bases this prediction on the last week. That last week had some very high fee phase and there is no way to know it won't rise right now to similar heights again.
[2017-11-18 01:01] ID=14186 Giszmo: Nothing wrong with the estimation. It's the same bitcoind based estimation as always.
[2017-11-18 02:04] ID=14187 jaezed: None
[2017-11-18 04:15] ID=14188 Rassah: Check out @Rassah’s Tweet: https://twitter.com/Rassah/status/931736459278561280?s=09
[2017-11-18 04:16] ID=14189 Rassah: Actually it was 9, but my husband and I shared a room
[2017-11-18 04:59] ID=14190 ImadL: Your wife you mean?
[2017-11-18 05:01] ID=14191 ImadL: The CEO should come out and say something about this anyway
[2017-11-18 05:02] ID=14192 ImadL: Since he didn't . I'm going to assume that he scammed the community
[2017-11-18 05:27] ID=14193 RE_ID=14191 Rassah: Yeah. But he doesn't do public stuff at all
[2017-11-18 05:28] ID=14194 RE_ID=14190 Rassah: My wife?
[2017-11-18 06:20] ID=14196 RE_ID=14195 Crypt0naire: Sounds like the guys on the market selling fruit
[2017-11-18 08:10] ID=14197 RE_ID=14194 ImadL: I assumed you're a man from your profile picture, and you said "husband" 😨 idk
[2017-11-18 11:43] ID=14198 AlenaSatoshi: the world is not black and white @ImadL
[2017-11-18 11:44] ID=14199 AlenaSatoshi: anyway, segwit support in Mycelium @Rassah ?
[2017-11-18 11:45] ID=14200 AlenaSatoshi: oh sorry, maybe not asking the right person
[2017-11-18 11:45] ID=14201 AlenaSatoshi: anyone
[2017-11-18 11:45] ID=14202 AlenaSatoshi: :)
[2017-11-18 11:46] ID=14203 ImadL: 😨
[2017-11-18 11:46] ID=14204 ImadL: It snot a priority
[2017-11-18 11:46] ID=14205 ImadL: I believe, I saw an article on Reddit about this
[2017-11-18 18:14] ID=14206 Rakesh Sharma: https://www.reddit.com/r/btc/comments/7dsmvd/my_analysis_of_the_1_million_usd_mybtgwalletcom/?st=ja5llhdw&sh=51a4093c
[2017-11-19 12:02] ID=14207 RE_ID=14204 AlenaSatoshi: 😮
[2017-11-19 12:02] ID=14208 AlenaSatoshi: it looks like after several years I'll be looking for another mobile wallet then
[2017-11-19 12:03] ID=14209 AlenaSatoshi: any advise anyone?
[2017-11-19 13:25] ID=14210 RE_ID=14209 XuTPoBaH: Let me know when you find something  better
[2017-11-19 13:29] ID=14211 AlenaSatoshi: my interest is to enjoy segwit on my mobile phone.
[2017-11-19 13:29] ID=14212 RE_ID=14211 XuTPoBaH: Same interest
[2017-11-19 13:29] ID=14213 AlenaSatoshi: do you have any finds?
[2017-11-19 14:28] ID=14214 RE_ID=14206 Giszmo: Yep. Reminds me of https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Underhanded_C_Contest\n\nHow anybody trusts any wallets that he didn't compile himself, is beyond me. It should be industry standard to have deterministic builds of heavily vetted open source repositories, with dependency vetting, too.
[2017-11-19 14:34] ID=14215 ImadL: Samurai wallet is a better alternative
[2017-11-19 14:36] ID=14216 RE_ID=14214 Rakesh Sharma: 👍🏻👍🏻
[2017-11-19 16:02] ID=14217 RE_ID=14215 Rassah: Edge looks to be way better. Once it's out of beta
[2017-11-19 16:07] ID=14218 RE_ID=14215 Rassah: Samorai has only one account, only one type of currency, no labeling of transactions, no third party features, and their dev is really flakey and confrontational. It's like the Schildbach "Bitcoin Wallet" but with one extra privacy feature, and a less mature dev team
[2017-11-19 16:19] ID=14219 franull: You missed segwit.\nOh wait, Mycelium don't have segwit and Samourai does.\n\nWhy you need third party features that can compromise privacy and wallet usability?\nI prefer a bitcoin focused wallet with lots of custom options like custom fee, trusted node... rather than a wallet promoting dubtious ICOs with a huge button below the most essential parts of the wallet (send / receive)\n\nAnd... since when personal opinions of devs are important if they're delivering an interesting and updated software?\nFocus in work and not in what others think or say.\n\nps: all work done without scammy ICOs or investment rounds. Can blockchain-info (just as an example) and many others that still don't have segwit implemented say the same?
[2017-11-19 16:23] ID=14220 Rassah: Oh yeah, they have SegWit. So does Edge, and so will Mycelium.\nYou can have third party options will compromising privacy and usability. You can even have third parties that improve privacy and usability.\n\nI think Samorai should focus of work and not others too. But they seem to have a problem with that. Mycelium, Airbitz, and other top wallets just quietly work and make new releases, and Samorai just posts about others.\n\nI'm actually concerned about wallets that are done without any visible sources of funds. Who is paying for the development, and who is actually in charge?
[2017-11-19 16:26] ID=14221 franull: IMHO That's none of our business as long as it's open source software. You can check, compile and run it yourself, no need to question it.\n\nI think that this is like saying that you're concerned about unaffiliated bitcoin devs without any visible source of funds for their work
[2017-11-19 16:27] ID=14222 Rassah: Right. How many people check all the code from the wallet they run? My guess one
[2017-11-19 16:28] ID=14223 Rassah: It takes one wallet update that users install by default to take all your money or track and expose everyone's funds.
[2017-11-19 16:29] ID=14224 franull: yes, but the only thing I'm trying to explain after all your previous messages is that instead of focus in what others don't have, focus in what you can do to improve your product\n\nBut AFAIK you're not in Mycelium anymore so you're not responsible of their work, sorry if it sounds like a direct attack 😜 it was a constructive criticism for Mycelium itself.
[2017-11-19 16:30] ID=14225 Rassah: I hope Mycelium does. My product isn't Mycelium, since I don't work for them. I'm just giving my opinion on Samorai, which I find really lacking, immature, and a tad questionable
[2017-11-19 16:33] ID=14226 Rassah: We kind of laughed at their privacy feature where they send your own coins through your own addresses five times to hide their origin, since exchanges go back a few transactions to see where the money came from.\nNow that they published that they create five transactions, exchanges can just look back 6 transactions, and look for any transactions where the whole balance is spent five times in a row and flag those.
[2017-11-19 16:35] ID=14227 AROMACOMPUTERS: Standard is to look back at least 6.\nAnd obiously ya the whole balance moving over and over is an easy catch.
[2017-11-19 16:36] ID=14228 AROMACOMPUTERS: They dont even have to try hard, compliance software does it on auto
[2017-11-19 18:21] ID=14229 bilbma: Will Myc support RSK soon?
[2017-11-19 20:45] ID=14230 hodlon: None
[2017-11-19 20:51] ID=14231 ShortFatUglyDumb: Welcome, Hodlon!
[2017-11-19 22:04] ID=14232 hodlon: Thank you! I was active here a while ago but returned because I had a question to ask.
[2017-11-19 22:05] ID=14233 hodlon: I'm helping someone recover funds on their mycelium. Turns out they forgot both their pin and recovery phrase. We're in the process of resetting the pin. My question is, is it possible to view the recovery phrase from the app once the pin clears?
[2017-11-19 22:07] ID=14234 RE_ID=14233 AROMACOMPUTERS: Their powned
[2017-11-19 22:08] ID=14235 RE_ID=14234 hodlon: Meaning? Once the pin resets we can send the funds to a new wallet. I'm curious about the recovery phrase in order to access past forks.
[2017-11-19 22:08] ID=14236 AROMACOMPUTERS: How reset pin without pin?
[2017-11-19 22:09] ID=14237 AROMACOMPUTERS: It's not like you click send me email with new pin
[2017-11-19 22:10] ID=14238 AROMACOMPUTERS: The phrase is everything \nWith that you don't need mycelium at all.\nWithout it you need the pin. And the sending pin.
[2017-11-19 22:12] ID=14239 AROMACOMPUTERS: There's always brute Force 😁
[2017-11-19 22:16] ID=14240 hodlon: You can reset the pin, it takes a week for it to clear. I'm assuming the idea is that if you lose your phone you have at least a week to restore and move funds before an attacker can access your wallet.
[2017-11-19 22:17] ID=14241 AROMACOMPUTERS: That's very weaksauce if it works
[2017-11-19 22:17] ID=14242 hodlon: Maybe so, but it makes sense as long as you're aware you don't have possesion of your phone.
[2017-11-19 22:19] ID=14243 AROMACOMPUTERS: Why even have a pin on it if you just click clear pin.\nThat's redonkulous
[2017-11-19 22:19] ID=14244 AROMACOMPUTERS: Should be encrypted in stone
[2017-11-19 22:20] ID=14245 hodlon: Because it takes 7 days to clear it. Enough time to reclaim your funds.
[2017-11-19 22:21] ID=14246 AROMACOMPUTERS: No that's total bullshit. If true I will never add a key to it again.
[2017-11-19 22:22] ID=14247 AROMACOMPUTERS: Must be fake encrpted
[2017-11-19 22:29] ID=14248 hodlon: I'm just telling you what the app is telling me while helping my friend get access back.
[2017-11-19 22:38] ID=14249 Rassah: Yeah, it takes 7 days to reset, with the understanding that you would notice your phone missing way before then.
[2017-11-19 22:38] ID=14250 Rassah: But it only works if you set you PIN to be resettable
[2017-11-19 22:55] ID=14251 RE_ID=14249 hodlon: Then once it's reset I can set a new one to view the recovery phrase?
[2017-11-19 22:56] ID=14252 Rassah: Yeah
[2017-11-19 23:07] ID=14253 hodlon: Bitchin thank you.
[2017-11-19 23:20] ID=14254 Co Bit: None
[2017-11-20 00:17] ID=14255 Transisto: Myceliugm fee problem is not about proper fee aproximation but the range of fees allowed, Since fee required change making it the selection choices linear would increase the flexibility.  By making a big flat part in the (normal) range it limits the usable range when large fee events occus.
[2017-11-20 00:17] ID=14256 Transisto: 
[2017-11-20 00:20] ID=14257 Transisto: https://github.com/mycelium-com/wallet-android/issues/428
[2017-11-20 08:07] ID=14261 Rassah: Yeah
[2017-11-20 08:09] ID=14264 Rassah: Not with BTG. Mycelium doesn't deal with that at all
[2017-11-20 08:11] ID=14266 Rassah: No
[2017-11-20 08:11] ID=14267 Rassah: And someone already lost all their coins to a BTG wallet
[2017-11-20 08:12] ID=14269 Rassah: The other app asked them to import their Mycelium 12 word backup to check how many BTG coins they have
[2017-11-20 08:13] ID=14271 Rassah: Yeah, I wouldn't trust any guides that ask for any of your 12 words
[2017-11-20 08:13] ID=14273 Rassah: Yeah
[2017-11-20 08:14] ID=14274 Rassah: Just to check the balance I guess?
[2017-11-20 08:14] ID=14275 BB_Martino: All they saw was "$$$" in front of their eyes. Free money. They figured it was worth the risk.
[2017-11-20 08:15] ID=14277 BB_Martino: Next time they will distrust something completely benign based on this experience. Moral of the story: know what you're doing.
[2017-11-20 08:15] ID=14278 RE_ID=14272 thorbjorn: http://bitcoinwhoswho.com/blog/2017/11/16/million-dollar-mybtgwallet-scam/
[2017-11-20 08:15] ID=14279 thorbjorn: Anyway, that has nothing to do with Mycelium.
[2017-11-20 08:16] ID=14281 thorbjorn: They don't state this, read carefully.
[2017-11-20 08:16] ID=14282 thorbjorn: They say they will publish a guide. But they can't as long as there is no way to claim yet.
[2017-11-20 08:20] ID=14284 Rassah: What head line?
[2017-11-20 08:27] ID=14286 BB_Martino: The ship has sailed, but it would have been Trezor.
[2017-11-20 08:28] ID=14287 RE_ID=14285 Rassah: What wallet does it say? There's just a guide to get it out of other wallets
[2017-11-20 08:32] ID=14289 Rassah: As one of the wallets they will maybe eventually write a guide for. Read what it says
[2017-11-20 08:32] ID=14291 Rassah: Sorry couldn't help
[2017-11-20 15:02] ID=14292 Rohit Gogia: None
[2017-11-20 15:03] ID=14293 Rohit Gogia: Hi Admin
[2017-11-20 15:03] ID=14294 Rohit Gogia: Need help to transfer my btc stuck in my wallet
[2017-11-20 15:03] ID=14295 df: Just a FYI to anyone who has a BlockChain.info wallet. Their database is down and is showing users a 0 Ballance. "Your funds are safe. We've identified the issue"
[2017-11-20 15:04] ID=14296 Rohit Gogia: No one is replying on mycelium support from past 1 month, I have logged 2 tickets
[2017-11-20 15:04] ID=14297 Rohit Gogia: Can someone please assist me
[2017-11-20 15:04] ID=14298 RE_ID=14297 df: How are they suck in your wallet?
[2017-11-20 15:05] ID=14299 Rohit Gogia: When I click send and enter new address, it asks me for my finger print
[2017-11-20 15:06] ID=14300 Rohit Gogia: When I scan my print it says
[2017-11-20 15:06] ID=14301 Rohit Gogia: Wallet has to be restored
[2017-11-20 15:06] ID=14302 Rohit Gogia: And when i put in my seed to restore it says it is for a different wallet
[2017-11-20 15:07] ID=14303 Rohit Gogia: 
[2017-11-20 15:08] ID=14304 Rohit Gogia: 
[2017-11-20 15:08] ID=14305 Rohit Gogia: 
[2017-11-20 15:08] ID=14306 RE_ID=14303 df: I never used the iPhone version before. I don't know how it works. Sorry.
[2017-11-20 15:09] ID=14307 df: Do you have a android phone you can restore the wallet on?
[2017-11-20 15:09] ID=14308 Rohit Gogia: Yes i have
[2017-11-20 15:09] ID=14309 Rohit Gogia: But when I restore wallet from my backed up seeds
[2017-11-20 15:09] ID=14310 Rohit Gogia: It shows blank, no btc
[2017-11-20 15:10] ID=14311 Rohit Gogia: Not sure how is it possible
[2017-11-20 15:10] ID=14312 Rohit Gogia: How can i backup my wallet again
[2017-11-20 15:11] ID=14313 Rohit Gogia: And then restore it
[2017-11-20 15:11] ID=14314 Rohit Gogia: Same challenge I am facing in ipad as well, where i have same apple id
[2017-11-20 15:11] ID=14315 df: I know in the old versions, if your first account was empty, you had to press the key icon to add a new HD account.
[2017-11-20 15:12] ID=14316 df: Try pressing the key icon 🔑+ icon then press Add HD Account.
[2017-11-20 15:14] ID=14317 Rohit Gogia: Ok, i will try it and let you know
[2017-11-20 16:05] ID=14318 RE_ID=14296 Rassah: Well that's nice to hear /s What's Jerome doing I wonder?
[2017-11-20 16:06] ID=14319 RE_ID=14302 Rassah: What do you mean it says it's for a different wallet?
[2017-11-20 16:12] ID=14320 Rohit Gogia: I don't know
[2017-11-20 16:12] ID=14321 Rohit Gogia: It gives me that msg
[2017-11-20 16:12] ID=14322 Rohit Gogia: I have btc in my phone and ipad but I can't use them
[2017-11-20 16:15] ID=14323 Rohit Gogia: If you require i can share diagnostical data from my wallet if that is of any use
[2017-11-20 16:19] ID=14324 Rassah: Probably not. And it's 12 words for the backup?
[2017-11-20 16:21] ID=14325 Rohit Gogia: Rassah, i have those 12 words with me and i backed them up on piece of paper as well as as image
[2017-11-20 16:22] ID=14326 Rohit Gogia: But when i enter them to restore the wallet on my phone it says this seed does not belong to this wallet
[2017-11-20 16:23] ID=14327 Rohit Gogia: Even when i try to backup mu existing wallet for which I shared the screenshot, it says you have to restore wallet first
[2017-11-20 16:23] ID=14328 Rohit Gogia: Even when I have wallet on my phone still it is asking me to restore
[2017-11-20 16:23] ID=14329 Rohit Gogia: 
[2017-11-20 16:23] ID=14330 Rassah: K, just making sure. iOS and Android had slightly different backup versions a long long time ago, but I don't remember the details.
[2017-11-20 16:24] ID=14331 Rassah: Maybe @Giszmo can help you when he wakes up
[2017-11-20 16:29] ID=14332 RE_ID=14331 Giszmo: When he wakes up. Pfff :)\n\nRohit unfortunately our support was zero for a while now. Just today support is getting started again and we will see how they address the backlog.\n\nWe do not have any iOS staff at the moment that I would be aware of and the difference that Rassah is referring to, might be the xpub, which was account-level + 1 while it is account-level in all other wallets out there, including our android version.
[2017-11-20 16:30] ID=14333 Giszmo: if the recovery progress allows you to enter your 12 words, then I would trust the phone when it tells you that your 12 words are a valid wallet but a different one than the one you are checking.
[2017-11-20 16:30] ID=14334 Giszmo: You might find something helpful here: https://www.reddit.com/r/mycelium/comments/6twi4q/faq_did_i_lose_my_coins/
[2017-11-20 16:35] ID=14335 Rohit Gogia: But how is it possible
[2017-11-20 16:35] ID=14336 Rohit Gogia: Sometime back i recieved error on my iphone
[2017-11-20 16:36] ID=14337 Rohit Gogia: And all my accounts email, flikr, drive, cloud etc were logged out
[2017-11-20 16:39] ID=14338 Rassah: How long ago did you set up your wallet?
[2017-11-20 16:39] ID=14339 Rassah: If it was 2 years ago or so, there was a bug a long time ago
[2017-11-20 17:54] ID=14340 Rohit Gogia: No
[2017-11-20 17:55] ID=14341 Rohit Gogia: It was in June i believe
[2017-11-20 18:36] ID=14342 Rassah: Ok, that's good
[2017-11-20 19:07] ID=14343 RE_ID=14316 Rohit Gogia: I tried to restore my wallet on android
[2017-11-20 19:07] ID=14344 Rohit Gogia: But it is showing zero bitcoin
[2017-11-20 19:08] ID=14345 Rohit Gogia: And when I click on +key and add HD account
[2017-11-20 19:08] ID=14346 Rohit Gogia: It says: you can only have one unused HD account
[2017-11-20 19:09] ID=14347 Rohit Gogia: @Giszmo need your help in restoring my wallet or taking backup of existing wallet as it is showing locked out
[2017-11-20 19:10] ID=14348 Jack Oats: So what do I need to mine?
[2017-11-20 19:41] ID=14349 RE_ID=14348 Rassah: A miner?
[2017-11-21 01:20] ID=14350 Transisto: @Rassah About why I have some problem with BCH https://twitter.com/alansilbert/status/932704589727506432
[2017-11-21 01:29] ID=14351 Rassah: Well, bitcoin.org has a Bitcoin Core as default wallet. Those scoundrels!!!
[2017-11-21 01:29] ID=14352 Rassah: 😁
[2017-11-21 07:16] ID=14353 Daniel_Link: What's the difference about using Colu wallet to pay 100 British pounds than directly a credit card? lolz
[2017-11-21 07:16] ID=14354 Daniel_Link: You still need a credit card to top up colu
[2017-11-21 07:18] ID=14355 Daniel_Link: They are doing experiments only with investors money, first colored coins and now this
[2017-11-21 07:18] ID=14356 Daniel_Link: Now they will ask 25 millions in ICO
[2017-11-21 07:18] ID=14357 Rassah: Who, Colu?
[2017-11-21 07:18] ID=14358 Daniel_Link: Yeah
[2017-11-21 07:19] ID=14359 Rassah: Yeah, I thought it was a bit weird Mycelium partnered with them. I was all for colored coins, but I figured there were more established platforms out there.
[2017-11-21 07:19] ID=14360 Rassah: I guess Mycelium CEO was hoping to help get them established
[2017-11-21 07:20] ID=14361 Daniel_Link: 
[2017-11-21 07:21] ID=14362 Daniel_Link: Yeah that's a non reliable startup
[2017-11-21 07:24] ID=14363 Daniel_Link: First two (2.5 m and 8 m) were venture angel investments
[2017-11-21 07:30] ID=14364 Daniel_Link: God bless them
[2017-11-21 11:14] ID=14365 RE_ID=14034 sprks: but is this token not worthless?  Is there any info saying that one day Mycelium might build value on it ? .. i had given up after i read they spent all the funds on salaries
[2017-11-21 11:19] ID=14366 RE_ID=14365 Rassah: The token represents a stake in the company. If the company value goes up, you would get like a dividend payment or something.\nWhat were you expecting the money was going to be spent on?
[2017-11-21 11:20] ID=14367 RE_ID=14366 sprks: Rassah , i believe it represents a stake in only the Wallet App project and only a 10% of that project if i remember the ICO correctly.
[2017-11-21 11:21] ID=14368 sprks: The wallet has a number of superior competitors at present.
[2017-11-21 11:22] ID=14369 sprks: i would have expected that the money be spent on the wallet project exclusively.  That value and demand be focused on the MT token, that it be listed and that the market would be interested in trading it.  and that it might have a value greater than zero.
[2017-11-21 11:22] ID=14370 Rassah: The Wallet subsidiary, yeah. Not the app project, the whole subsidiary. But not the whole company. And the wallet is still being developed.
[2017-11-21 11:22] ID=14371 sprks: but, i'm over it.. i gave up many months ago
[2017-11-21 11:23] ID=14372 Rassah: You're right that there are a few superior competitors right now
[2017-11-21 11:23] ID=14373 RE_ID=14370 sprks: we can but hope 🤞🏽
[2017-11-21 11:23] ID=14374 Rassah: Yeah, that's about right
[2017-11-21 11:23] ID=14375 sprks: but i do not expect MT to have any future value tbh
[2017-11-21 11:24] ID=14376 Rassah: Not same as bitcoin at least. Nothing can beat that return
[2017-11-21 11:25] ID=14377 RE_ID=13241 sprks: probably you have exchange price set to 'Bitcoin Average' which has been updating for ages.  Just change this in settings to Bitstamp
[2017-11-21 11:26] ID=14378 RE_ID=14376 sprks: Rassah.. MT seems to have had a 100% devaluation.  you can't compare MT to 99% of the coins out there..
[2017-11-21 11:54] ID=14379 cvennekel: If you got an iPhone X you might want to consider switching to a different wallet, the iOS wallet will use TouchID for confirmation if it is set. The same logic applies to FaceID, so just looking at your phone after hitting send will confirm the transaction and push it. \nBe aware of it
[2017-11-21 12:10] ID=14380 Jeremygram: what's up with the token?
[2017-11-21 15:05] ID=14381 AndresMM: Big Scam...... myceluym token
[2017-11-21 15:06] ID=14382 AndresMM: No Project, no money= investor F@##$k
[2017-11-21 17:25] ID=14383 RE_ID=14382 Rassah: No project? You don't have a Mycelium wallet on your phone?
[2017-11-21 17:50] ID=14384 AndresMM: Though still developing, as you had said.... how long will it take to have it the final wallet, market are plenty of better options now, you just had miss the opportunity moment to become the biggest and useful wallet .....
[2017-11-21 17:58] ID=14385 Rassah: No idea.
[2017-11-21 20:17] ID=14410 TomyBoy: None
[2017-11-21 20:17] ID=14411 TomyBoy: hi there
[2017-11-21 20:18] ID=14412 TomyBoy: one question
[2017-11-21 20:18] ID=14413 TomyBoy: how can i make 2fa code for my wallet?
[2017-11-21 20:18] ID=14414 TomyBoy: is it necessary? is it possible?
[2017-11-21 20:30] ID=14415 Rassah: No
[2017-11-21 20:31] ID=14416 Rassah: If you have a lot of money, and you are using an Android, I suggest you get a Ledger or a Trezor. They work with Mycelium wallet
[2017-11-22 02:50] ID=14417 Transisto: If you graph the history of all features/updates that were added to Mycelium you'll see that the frequency of updates nearly stopped the moment they got the money. The ICO was their end game. They paid themselves for previous work pretending to be raising money for the future. Mycelium is nearly the exact same thing as before they raised money. They added CPFP (fee bump) which is the easiest thing to implement, tried ads, promoting scamcoins, but they don't have RBF (Replace by fee) after we went through multiple, months long, fee surges... And yet, after the biggest drama in the history of Bitcoin, they can't even make a statement about when or if segwit will ever be implemented.
[2017-11-22 03:59] ID=14418 Rohit Gogia: @Giszmo can you help me in unlocking my wallet please
[2017-11-22 05:56] ID=14419 mishax1: Restored my seed on a new device. Dont see RMC account. What to do ?
[2017-11-22 08:36] ID=14420 RE_ID=14417 thorbjorn: Sad but true. :(
[2017-11-22 16:00] ID=14421 Spindle1: None
[2017-11-22 16:22] ID=14422 RE_ID=14418 Giszmo: pm me details please. I thought I had answered you already?
[2017-11-22 16:23] ID=14423 Rohit Gogia: What is that you require
[2017-11-22 16:23] ID=14424 Rohit Gogia: Please let me know
[2017-11-22 16:23] ID=14425 RE_ID=14419 Giszmo: The token accounts are not covered by the bip39 12 words backup but need their separate bip38 encrypted private key backup. You should see a warning about a missing backup or have a backup accordingly.
[2017-11-22 16:25] ID=14426 RE_ID=14423 Giszmo: I require context. What is your problem again? Is https://www.reddit.com/r/mycelium/comments/6twi4q/faq_did_i_lose_my_coins/ not helpful?
[2017-11-22 16:25] ID=14427 Rohit Gogia: 
[2017-11-22 16:26] ID=14428 Rohit Gogia: No above article is not helpful
[2017-11-22 16:38] ID=14429 Rohit Gogia: When I restore my wallet on other phone, nothing comes
[2017-11-22 16:39] ID=14430 Rohit Gogia: Even i tried adding HD account
[2017-11-22 16:39] ID=14431 Rohit Gogia: Nothing coming
[2017-11-22 17:05] ID=14432 RE_ID=14425 mishax1: Found it. Thanks!
[2017-11-22 17:29] ID=14433 Giszmo: Rohit sorry I know close to nothing about the iOS wallet.
[2017-11-22 21:15] ID=14434 sprks: Mycelium Local Trader-  FYI guys-  don't use Local Trader for small sales of BTC.  It stung me 640sat/byte today !!!  which was like 15% of the sale.. so i basically lost out on the trade. Better to do it manually outside of Local Trader and set your own fee.
[2017-11-23 06:52] ID=14435 m4rtin1: It's the fee Mycelium takes for the trade. Look at the outputs, there are two.
[2017-11-23 08:31] ID=14436 ethbitsMarketingPR: Where can I sell my mycelium tokens? And was the big Holliday they had with all our money a good Holliday  at least?
[2017-11-23 08:37] ID=14437 thorbjorn: Can we please stop bringing up the holiday? Development teams are allowed to meet up and this is usually good for collaboration. They did manage to waste their investment, but it's not because of that meetup.\n\nIf you want to sell you'll need to find a buyer. There is no exchange.
[2017-11-23 08:40] ID=14438 RE_ID=14435 thorbjorn: As far as I know they take a minor percentage fee, not 15%. I think it's over-generous with the transaction fee, but to be sure we'd need to see the transaction.
[2017-11-23 13:10] ID=14439 sprks: def. they auto-select a fast TX fee..  buy TBH i will be doing it manually from now on...
[2017-11-23 13:36] ID=14440 Dollarbr: None
[2017-11-23 13:42] ID=14441 Advanced: Anybody interested in MT? 😄
[2017-11-24 01:30] ID=14442 RE_ID=14436 Rassah: Never had one of those
[2017-11-24 10:41] ID=14443 Anomaly: None
[2017-11-24 10:57] ID=14444 TomyBoy: how to turn on 2fa code? is it possible here in MYCELIUM wallett?
[2017-11-24 14:09] ID=14445 ImadL: Its not @TomyBoy
[2017-11-24 15:59] ID=14446 RE_ID=14445 TomyBoy: :(
[2017-11-24 15:59] ID=14447 TomyBoy: thx
[2017-11-24 15:59] ID=14448 TomyBoy: not so secure...
[2017-11-24 15:59] ID=14449 TomyBoy: or?
[2017-11-24 17:24] ID=14450 RE_ID=14442 nelsonm: Neither have I.
[2017-11-24 19:24] ID=14451 RE_ID=14448 thorbjorn: If you want secure, use Mycelium with a TREZOR.
[2017-11-24 19:29] ID=14452 sabotagebeats: if you want secure use trezor with electrum
[2017-11-24 19:30] ID=14453 sabotagebeats: then use mycelium in watch only mode
[2017-11-24 19:30] ID=14454 thorbjorn: Sure, TREZOR makes everything secure, but this channel was about Mycelium. :)
[2017-11-24 19:30] ID=14455 thorbjorn: (and his question)
[2017-11-24 19:30] ID=14456 sabotagebeats: yea use mycelium in watch only
[2017-11-24 19:31] ID=14457 thorbjorn: I don't see the need for watch-only. Mycelium can't make the TREZOR do anything other than what you confirm on the screen.
[2017-11-24 19:31] ID=14458 sabotagebeats: it could swap addresses without you knowing then feed those to trezor.
[2017-11-24 19:31] ID=14459 thorbjorn: No, because the TREZOR shows the address, so you should notice.
[2017-11-24 19:32] ID=14460 thorbjorn: This applies to any wallet, anyway.
[2017-11-24 19:32] ID=14461 sabotagebeats: true
[2017-11-24 19:32] ID=14462 sabotagebeats: also for me i don't have a cable for that :P
[2017-11-24 19:32] ID=14463 sabotagebeats: simple fix though
[2017-11-24 19:32] ID=14464 thorbjorn: It's why I think TREZOR is vastly superior to Ledger.
[2017-11-24 19:32] ID=14465 sabotagebeats: why
[2017-11-24 19:32] ID=14466 thorbjorn: Ledger has no screen, right?
[2017-11-24 19:32] ID=14467 sabotagebeats: ledger shows address on the screen
[2017-11-24 19:32] ID=14468 sabotagebeats: ledger nano s
[2017-11-24 19:33] ID=14469 thorbjorn: Ah, there's different ledgers or I didn't realize...
[2017-11-24 19:33] ID=14470 sabotagebeats: ledger nano s is  the most popular one i've seen
[2017-11-24 19:34] ID=14471 thorbjorn: Yeah, looks fine then. Though I'm pretty happy with the TREZOR.
[2017-11-24 19:34] ID=14472 sabotagebeats: i like trezor but it doesn't support all the alts i use
[2017-11-24 19:34] ID=14473 sabotagebeats: so i have both
[2017-11-24 19:35] ID=14474 sabotagebeats: 
[2017-11-24 19:36] ID=14475 sabotagebeats: dogecoin specifically
[2017-11-24 22:46] ID=14476 ethbitsMarketingPR: yeah if it did DOGE and XMR I would like it more
[2017-11-24 22:46] ID=14477 ethbitsMarketingPR: and NEO
[2017-11-24 23:39] ID=14478 painlord2k: Waiting bch support.\nIt is a long wait.
[2017-11-24 23:41] ID=14479 RE_ID=14478 sabotagebeats: trezor has bch
[2017-11-25 04:08] ID=14480 Transisto: 
[2017-11-25 04:08] ID=14481 Transisto: What mule tools?
[2017-11-25 04:11] ID=14482 Daniel_Link: I only use client side javascript wallets or gui clients
[2017-11-25 04:12] ID=14483 Daniel_Link: Keep at least 2 other backups besides my main computer
[2017-11-25 04:12] ID=14484 Daniel_Link: Always have been safe
[2017-11-25 04:12] ID=14485 Daniel_Link: These alts backups are usb sticks
[2017-11-25 06:23] ID=14486 RE_ID=14451 m4rtin1: Right now Trezor support is kind of broken
[2017-11-25 06:26] ID=14487 RE_ID=14486 ZaCkRrr: Why is that?
[2017-11-25 08:42] ID=14488 m4rtin1: Mycelium does only supports legacy accounts right now so Trezor segwit wallets seem empty. This might have changed lately but I didn't check it.\n\nEdit:\nStill open issue\nhttps://github.com/mycelium-com/wallet-android/issues/379
[2017-11-25 19:03] ID=14490 marceloviojo: None
[2017-11-25 19:20] ID=14491 RE_ID=14433 Rohit Gogia: Can you tell me who can help me to get my wallet unlocked
[2017-11-25 22:17] ID=14492 RE_ID=14491 m4rtin1: Do you still have the recovery seed?
[2017-11-26 00:33] ID=14493 RE_ID=14491 Giszmo: iOS got some attention these days but no updates on iOS devs that I know of. Sorry.
[2017-11-26 12:33] ID=14494 TomyBoy: one question. is it MYCELIUM compatible with LEDGER HARDWARE WALLET?
[2017-11-26 14:55] ID=14495 TomyBoy: can i have MYCELIUM wallet on two phones?
[2017-11-26 14:55] ID=14496 TomyBoy: with same seed...pin..
[2017-11-26 15:07] ID=14497 RE_ID=14496 m4rtin1: Yes of course
[2017-11-26 15:16] ID=14498 Ali Ghotbi: None
[2017-11-26 15:17] ID=14499 Ali Ghotbi: I had mycelium on my iPhone 7S and it always worked fine for six months or so \nNow I have a new iPhone X and have restored a iCloud backup of the iPhone 7S over to the IPhone X and the app has disappeared from the Apple App Store. \nI still have mycelium working on the 7S but want to transfer it over to the new iPhone X. Please help guys. Thanks
[2017-11-26 15:31] ID=14500 TomyBoy: thank you Martin for the answer
[2017-11-26 15:48] ID=14501 pottedi1: None
[2017-11-26 18:44] ID=14502 TomyBoy: my god...btc gone far
[2017-11-26 18:44] ID=14503 TomyBoy: hoooly ...sh...
[2017-11-26 18:45] ID=14504 TomyBoy: 
[2017-11-26 19:55] ID=14505 RE_ID=14499 Rassah: The only way to back up your Mycelium wallet is with the 12 word seed. iCloud is blocked from being used as a backup because that exposes your money to others. So if you want to transfer it to the new phone, either restore the wallet on the new phone using the 12 word seed from the old one, or make a backup if the new one and then just send all the coins from the old to the new one.
[2017-11-26 19:55] ID=14506 RE_ID=14494 Rassah: Mycelium Android is compatible with Ledger, and you can use it on two phones.
[2017-11-26 20:10] ID=14507 RE_ID=14506 dvbtc: Not with segwit mode in ledger
[2017-11-26 20:22] ID=14508 RE_ID=14507 Rassah: That's true. Legacy only. Same with Trezor
[2017-11-26 20:23] ID=14509 Rassah: But it's maybe more secure in legacy mode, since your transaction will always have the signature with it.
[2017-11-26 21:19] ID=14510 RE_ID=14505 Ali Ghotbi: Is it ok to get an old Samsung put mycelium on there with a pin and no SIM card in it and just leave it on android mycelium app and on the ledger Nano S ? Also thought to put myetherwallet for ETH OMG etc ?
[2017-11-26 21:24] ID=14511 ShortFatUglyDumb: Mycelium on a 2ndary Android sounds like a gr8 idea. | Yes, MEW supports tokens like OMG.
[2017-11-26 21:26] ID=14512 RE_ID=14510 Rassah: You don't need the phone if your bitcoins are in the Ledger.
[2017-11-26 21:27] ID=14513 Rassah: Safest to just keep it in the Ledger only, with the 24 words written on paper as backup, and use Mycelium for watch only
[2017-11-26 21:40] ID=14514 Ali Ghotbi: What’s MEW ? Please
[2017-11-26 21:40] ID=14515 ShortFatUglyDumb: MyEtherWallet
[2017-11-26 21:41] ID=14516 Ali Ghotbi: 🤣🤣🤣Ok cool thanks
[2017-11-26 21:41] ID=14517 Ali Ghotbi: 🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻
[2017-11-26 22:15] ID=14518 RE_ID=14499 Giszmo: I heard some talk about wallet being unavailable on itunes (Edit: I said playstore before. oops. on playstore I should have noticed myself), so higher-ups are aware of that. I'm surprised it's not resolved yet. Give it some days.\n\nRegarding backup: Whatever Rassah said.
[2017-11-26 22:52] ID=14519 Rassah: \o/
[2017-11-27 02:05] ID=14520 PatRiot1337: None
[2017-11-27 06:55] ID=14521 RE_ID=14492 Rohit Gogia: Yes i have the recovery seed, but when i try to restore it on same device it says this seed is for a different wallet
[2017-11-27 08:03] ID=14522 RE_ID=14506 TomyBoy: ohh great. thanks. thanks. i will buy ledger then!
[2017-11-27 08:03] ID=14523 AROMACOMPUTERS: Or trezor
[2017-11-27 08:04] ID=14524 TomyBoy: trezor is much more expensive
[2017-11-27 12:49] ID=14525 thorbjorn: Hmm, on amazon.de, Ledger is 70 euro vs. 90 euro for a Trezor. Really not much of a difference I think.
[2017-11-27 13:07] ID=14526 Valeriya Movchan: None
[2017-11-27 13:29] ID=14527 arottma: I  have both. Trezor is much better.
[2017-11-27 14:36] ID=14528 Rassah: Trezor had that hardware security problem that can't be fixed supposedly
[2017-11-27 14:38] ID=14529 RE_ID=14528 ZaCkRrr: Can you explain ?
[2017-11-27 14:41] ID=14530 Rassah: https://medium.com/@Zero404Cool/trezor-security-glitches-reveal-your-private-keys-761eeab03ff8
[2017-11-27 15:59] ID=14531 RE_ID=14528 DoubleYouSee23: that's all so wrong. Please don't repeat things like that without researching first.
[2017-11-27 16:21] ID=14532 DoubleYouSee23: https://blog.trezor.io/trezor-firmware-security-update-1-5-2-5ef1b6f13fed
[2017-11-27 16:22] ID=14533 Rassah: I have a trezor, still use it, and used that update. But from what I've read on this issue, the update just patches it, not completely fixes it.
[2017-11-27 16:25] ID=14534 Rassah: Hopefully the detailed technical report will explain what the issue was and whether it was completely fixed.
[2017-11-27 16:35] ID=14536 DoubleYouSee23: We came up with a clever way how to fix this issue for devices with older bootloader versions (as bootloader cannot be updated). In embedded programming, you can be very explicit where in the device memory should a variable be placed. We went through the entire code of TREZOR and marked all potentially confidential variables with a special mark. During the final assembly of the firmware, also called linking, we instructed a tool called linker to collect all variables with the mark and place them at the beginning of the device RAM. This way, we can assure that the bootloader will always overwrite all critical data from firmware with its own variables.\nIn other words, with the new firmware 1.5.2, even if the attacker performs a soft reset and launches the old bootloader to install their exploit, the RAM is already overwritten at this stage and thus no confidential data remain in the memory.
[2017-11-27 16:39] ID=14537 Rassah: Ah, cool. Glad I brought this up then so everyone here will know it was fixed. Thanks 😁
[2017-11-27 18:24] ID=14538 Carl Swagan: Hey all.  I sent a tx'n with the lowest prio fee.  Getting 'Unable to broadcast' message after 1 hour.  I don't mind waiting just want to confirm whether I need to rebroadcast
[2017-11-27 18:25] ID=14539 Rassah: Either rebroadcast, or reload the account
[2017-11-27 18:37] ID=14540 RE_ID=14539 Carl Swagan: Thanks Rassah
[2017-11-27 20:17] ID=14541 RE_ID=14536 Talon8Ya: Very good to know. Thanks for that.
[2017-11-27 20:29] ID=14542 DoubleYouSee23: I should probably make is clear that's a copy paste, not something I wrote. I am not affiliated with trezor.
[2017-11-27 21:12] ID=14543 RE_ID=14542 Talon8Ya: Noted
[2017-11-28 03:54] ID=14544 wandersonfx: None
[2017-11-28 04:37] ID=14545 cediac4money: None
[2017-11-28 06:49] ID=14546 ysgjay: Sup everyone
[2017-11-28 06:50] ID=14547 ysgjay: Why MT worth nothing
[2017-11-28 17:39] ID=14549 BitKralj: No problem, MT is worthless anyway
[2017-11-28 17:53] ID=14550 ImadL: ETA for segwit?
[2017-11-28 18:17] ID=14551 RE_ID=14550 DoubleYouSee23: Would also like to know. Mycelium is my favorite wallet, but I can't use it for all my accounts...
[2017-11-28 21:20] ID=14553 m4rtin1: No timeline regarding segwit yet
[2017-11-29 00:25] ID=14554 Screenname1o0: None
[2017-11-29 00:51] ID=14555 Rassah: I'm very glad they're still working on BitcoinJ and modularization. That's how Mycelium will hopefully be able to start making money. Just sorry it took so long
[2017-11-29 03:16] ID=14556 Giszmo: we had a call on segwit today and it sounded like segwit will be out some 4 to 6 weeks either way and I guess we will go with modularization first and segwit using bitcoinJ\n\nFor what it's worth, Andreas Schildbach merged an important PR by @nelsonm today, that brings better HD wallet support to bitcoinJ.
[2017-11-29 03:44] ID=14557 Scott Shaw: None
[2017-11-29 04:01] ID=14558 T: None
[2017-11-29 05:12] ID=14559 Rassah: Oh, you're working with Andreas now? Cool! Also great to hear Nelson stuck around
[2017-11-29 07:39] ID=14560 ShortFatUglyDumb: Generally speaking, gr8 2 hear development continues in Mycelium, amid all the gray cloud talk about MT & biz problems. Sounds like there's 4ward motion, at whatever speed.
[2017-11-29 08:15] ID=14561 RE_ID=14559 nelsonm: Still lurking
[2017-11-29 10:16] ID=14563 Bufffa: None
[2017-11-29 11:38] ID=14564 RE_ID=14559 Giszmo: we work with Andreas in that he is the maintainer of bitcoinj and we contributed to bitcoinj.
[2017-11-29 13:14] ID=14565 Lekandi: What happens when the transaction is too low fee and no confirmations go thru?
[2017-11-29 13:59] ID=14566 thorbjorn: Eventually the network may choose to forget about your transaction and you could either re-send it or use the coins in a new transaction.
[2017-11-29 13:59] ID=14567 thorbjorn: You can also use CPFP to raise the fee, if the transaction is important.
[2017-11-29 14:15] ID=14568 TomyBoy: cannot use credit card function
[2017-11-29 14:16] ID=14569 TomyBoy: what is going on?
[2017-11-29 14:16] ID=14570 TomyBoy: app force closing
[2017-11-29 14:16] ID=14571 TomyBoy: why
[2017-11-29 14:16] ID=14572 TomyBoy: ?
[2017-11-29 14:16] ID=14573 TomyBoy: cannot buy with credit card?
[2017-11-29 14:17] ID=14574 TomyBoy: please help
[2017-11-29 14:17] ID=14575 TomyBoy: my fault?
[2017-11-29 14:17] ID=14577 TomyBoy: or?
[2017-11-29 14:25] ID=14578 Lekandi: Ok thanks. Another question. When you add a manual address in mycelium is it in anyway linked to the other addresses? Or does it stay seperate
[2017-11-29 14:29] ID=14579 RE_ID=14575 m4rtin1: We need more details to help
[2017-11-29 14:40] ID=14580 TomyBoy: when i tap on credit card payment
[2017-11-29 14:40] ID=14581 TomyBoy: then it stops.
[2017-11-29 14:40] ID=14582 TomyBoy: app force closing
[2017-11-29 14:52] ID=14583 TomyBoy: Screenshot (Nov 29, 2017 15:52:45)
[2017-11-29 15:47] ID=14584 RE_ID=14578 Rassah: Stays separate
[2017-11-29 17:29] ID=14586 TomyBoy: i made it
[2017-11-29 17:29] ID=14587 TomyBoy: substratum theme was the problem
[2017-11-29 17:30] ID=14588 TomyBoy: but now it  is okay
[2017-11-29 17:30] ID=14589 Lekandi: Im trying to import wallet from electrum
[2017-11-29 17:30] ID=14590 Lekandi: 
[2017-11-29 17:30] ID=14591 Lekandi: Whats this mean?
[2017-11-29 17:30] ID=14592 TomyBoy: how to transfer my funds to ledger?
[2017-11-29 17:31] ID=14593 TomyBoy: will it recogznize atomatically
[2017-11-29 18:23] ID=14594 RE_ID=14590 Rassah: Electrum uses proprietary non-standard backups that only work in Electrum. You'll have to just send the money from Electrum to Mycelium
[2017-11-29 18:23] ID=14595 RE_ID=14592 Rassah: Add Ledger account to Mycelium. It will recognize automatically
[2017-11-29 18:30] ID=14596 RE_ID=14594 TomyBoy: thanks man  for helping really
[2017-11-29 18:46] ID=14597 RE_ID=14594 Lekandi: When did this start? I have addresses i exported the keys on before and used in mycelium
[2017-11-29 18:47] ID=14598 Lekandi: Also what happens when you manual generate a new random key in advanced? It doesnt show you the private key.
[2017-11-29 19:33] ID=14599 Lekandi: Damn dropping and bump fee doesnt work....
[2017-11-29 20:35] ID=14600 Alex999Shein: None
[2017-11-29 20:44] ID=14601 Alex999Shein: Hi! How can I talk with admin? Who is Admin here?
[2017-11-29 21:02] ID=14602 Rassah: I'm an admin for this group
[2017-11-29 23:26] ID=14603 ShortFatUglyDumb: Bug: This has been mentioned b4, but here it is reproducible: pretend 2 send  BTC by typing in an amount of BTC. Notice the fiat equiv shown beneath. Now, jump to Android Task Mgr, then go bk in2 Mycelium. Notice that the fiat value is mistakenly replaced with anthr (incorrect) BTC value & impedes typing the proper amount.
[2017-12-01 02:15] ID=14605 RE_ID=14603 Giszmo: 
[2017-12-01 02:15] ID=14606 Giszmo: can confirm. thanks.
[2017-12-01 02:20] ID=14607 Emoji_Nakamoto: why do people still ue mycelium
[2017-12-01 03:19] ID=14608 DoubleYouSee23: Cause it's still a great wallet. No segwit really stinks though
[2017-12-01 03:24] ID=14609 Emoji_Nakamoto: electrum has had segwit for months fam
[2017-12-01 04:08] ID=14610 Lekandi: Electrum also has a shitty interface to work from
[2017-12-01 04:50] ID=14611 RE_ID=14605 dvbtc: I have the same error I wrote here and in playstore but  don't fix it
[2017-12-01 05:59] ID=14612 RE_ID=14611 ShortFatUglyDumb: Leo confirmed it, so I presume they'll fix it soon. Looks like a simple GUI bug.
[2017-12-01 10:51] ID=14613 rareprecious: None
[2017-12-01 10:51] ID=14614 rareprecious: Hi guys!
[2017-12-01 10:52] ID=14615 rareprecious: I had invested in Mycelium wallet  crowdsale last year. I hold some of the colu coins or Mycelium shares. Being holding them for more than 1 year. What should I do with them? How can I profit from them?
[2017-12-01 10:53] ID=14616 rareprecious: Please help. Thank you.
[2017-12-01 10:54] ID=14617 thorbjorn: There is no way to profit from tokens that only depreciated in value, to the point that you'll find it hard to find a buyer.
[2017-12-01 10:56] ID=14618 rareprecious: Hmm... that means I got scammed from my bitcoins?
[2017-12-01 10:57] ID=14619 rareprecious: Does that imply Mycellium management are scammers?
[2017-12-01 11:40] ID=14620 m4rtin1: I'll pay one sat per token.
[2017-12-01 12:01] ID=14621 RE_ID=14619 thorbjorn: They're either scammers or they were really bad at using the invested money.
[2017-12-01 13:36] ID=14622 m4rtin1: Why not both
[2017-12-01 13:45] ID=14623 thorbjorn: Sure, they could be both.
[2017-12-01 14:55] ID=14624 RE_ID=14609 Rassah: Still waiting for standard backups and hardware support
[2017-12-01 15:13] ID=14626 bilbma: I already have it, sorry I delete it\n☺️😣🙊😊
[2017-12-01 15:43] ID=14627 turizmo: None
[2017-12-01 15:43] ID=14628 turizmo: Good morning
[2017-12-01 15:44] ID=14629 turizmo: What is the best quotation that I should to choose in my wallet?
[2017-12-01 15:58] ID=14630 thorbjorn: Usually the one most relevant to you.
[2017-12-01 15:59] ID=14631 thorbjorn: For me that is Bitstamp, though often the EUR value on Bitstamp seems way off so I picked Kraken instead.
[2017-12-01 16:15] ID=14632 RE_ID=14631 turizmo: 👍🏿
[2017-12-01 18:34] ID=14633 bitcoindude: Mycelium had such a lead in the mobile wallet space and now it's falling behind. Can't believe mycelium turned out to be such a bad crypto investment.
[2017-12-01 18:35] ID=14634 sabotagebeats: well it could be worse
[2017-12-01 18:35] ID=14635 sabotagebeats: at least they didn't backdoor the wallet and steal everyones coins
[2017-12-01 18:36] ID=14636 bitcoindude: Everything can always be worse. I'm just honestly surprised is all.
[2017-12-01 18:40] ID=14637 bitcoindude: A little sad too. I really liked their UI
[2017-12-01 18:42] ID=14638 Rassah: It took a big risk to change the base code from the established code, because what it had before simply couldn't scale. Unfortunately that risk cost the company over a year in progress. Hopefully once the change is complete, it will be able to speed up and catch up again.
[2017-12-01 18:43] ID=14639 Rassah: Mycelium's main competition already had dynamic, modular code, one that works on both iOS and Android too, so they're way ahead and had a much simpler time writing a new, modular, multi currency wallet than Mycelium did, but it also took them a while to do it.
[2017-12-01 18:43] ID=14640 bitcoindude: I remember checking out their booth at the first Miami bitcoin conference and seeing the card shaped hardware wallet. was bad ass looking
[2017-12-01 18:44] ID=14641 RE_ID=14640 Rassah: You know the high transaction fees that we're told aren't a problem?
[2017-12-01 18:44] ID=14642 bitcoindude: I hope you're right. I'd love to see the new version
[2017-12-01 18:44] ID=14643 Rassah: That's why that wallet is no longer being developed
[2017-12-01 18:48] ID=14644 bitcoindude: Maybe LN will help with those issues
[2017-12-01 19:28] ID=14645 Lekandi: Anyone here mining?
[2017-12-01 19:58] ID=14646 RE_ID=14615 Crypt0naire: Why are you asking this question AFTER you invested?
[2017-12-02 05:29] ID=14647 Mkrtich Aseyan: None
[2017-12-02 12:20] ID=14648 TomyBoy: new update?
[2017-12-02 12:39] ID=14649 TomyBoy: segwit support soon?
[2017-12-02 12:40] ID=14650 TomyBoy: should i change MYCELIUM wallet to another wallet?
[2017-12-02 12:40] ID=14651 TomyBoy: can i transfer my bitcoins to another wallet?
[2017-12-02 12:41] ID=14652 TomyBoy: fees will occur when transferring my coins to another wallet??
[2017-12-02 16:51] ID=14653 jandreske: You can send coins to another wallet, sure. That will require a fee. You could also Import your backup in another wallet if you want to.
[2017-12-02 20:20] ID=14654 RE_ID=14653 Giszmo: Sending all your coins to the new wallet is discouraged for fee and privacy reasons. Restoring the backup of one wallet on another wallet is discouraged, as you now have to trust both wallets to not keep copies of your private keys in some way.
[2017-12-02 20:23] ID=14655 jandreske: Well if you move from mycelium to somewhere else, you have obviously trusted mycelium already and are going to trust the new wallet anyway.\nIf you want to stop trusting mycelium, then importing does not work of course.
[2017-12-02 20:25] ID=14656 jandreske: And whether sending everything over is a potential problem fee / privacy wise depends on what your utxo situation is, but yes, could be a better idea to just send parts or "fade out" by keeping to spend from it but not receiving any more.
[2017-12-02 21:17] ID=14657 Giszmo: I totally expect to see long cons in the wallet space. Wallets that accumulate private keys and wait for the leaking to get revealed, to press the button when no new funds are to be expected, emptying all wallets that haven't reacted yet at once. I'm very confident that Mycelium doesn't have such a back door but when evaluating any wallet, just because nothing happened in the past doesn't mean that the wallet is safe.
[2017-12-02 21:22] ID=14658 Rassah: Hardware wallets and multisig I guess is best to avoid that
[2017-12-02 22:43] ID=14659 rtdaly: None
[2017-12-02 22:49] ID=14660 Jiannis Skoump: What it’s happen with investment?
[2017-12-03 02:48] ID=14661 RE_ID=14658 Giszmo: I wouldn't restore my ledger passphrase on a keepkey. same thing. Won't break up my keepkey to check it hasn't got a SIM card embedded to share the keys ... or should I?
[2017-12-03 06:36] ID=14662 Rassah: I hope you don't keep it plugged in
[2017-12-03 15:06] ID=14663 RE_ID=14653 TomyBoy: thanks for the reply
[2017-12-03 15:08] ID=14664 RE_ID=14653 TomyBoy: tell me. can i send my coins to POLONIEX?
[2017-12-03 15:08] ID=14665 TomyBoy: i just wanna exchange there some of my btc to another coins.
[2017-12-03 15:21] ID=14666 Rassah: Of course
[2017-12-03 23:24] ID=14667 RE_ID=14666 TomyBoy: great. that is what i wanted to know
[2017-12-03 23:24] ID=14668 TomyBoy: thanks man
[2017-12-04 14:24] ID=14669 crsvld: hey guys, looking to buy MT tokens at a price of 0.00000001 BTC. PM me if interested
[2017-12-04 14:25] ID=14670 BitKralj: dude, thats way overpriced
[2017-12-04 14:25] ID=14671 crsvld: 
[2017-12-04 14:37] ID=14672 thorbjorn: At least cover the transaction fee. :)
[2017-12-04 23:00] ID=14673 Emoji_Nakamoto: https://bitsonline.com/cryptokitties-wrecking-ethereum/
[2017-12-04 23:00] ID=14674 Emoji_Nakamoto: Anyone here seen this?
[2017-12-05 01:43] ID=14675 df: Am I able to use my Mycelium master key on BitcoinXT/Unlimited client or is the HD format not the same?
[2017-12-05 03:31] ID=14676 Rassah: If that one follows the same standard as Trezor/Ledger, you should be able to
[2017-12-05 07:43] ID=14677 Roozevelt: None
[2017-12-05 08:50] ID=14678 RE_ID=14675 m4rtin1: Beware of scammers!
[2017-12-05 10:36] ID=14679 Detlef Härtig: None
[2017-12-05 10:43] ID=14680 Detlef Härtig: 
[2017-12-05 10:43] ID=14681 Detlef Härtig: Hey guys, since some days i cannot receive or send any Coins from my wallet. It shows the following message:
[2017-12-05 10:44] ID=14682 Detlef Härtig: See screenshot
[2017-12-05 11:26] ID=14683 RE_ID=14682 ShortFatUglyDumb: Is that iPhone or Android?
[2017-12-05 11:38] ID=14684 bilbma: 
[2017-12-05 11:38] ID=14685 bilbma: Have i losted them?
[2017-12-05 12:18] ID=14686 ShortFatUglyDumb: No, u haven't.
[2017-12-05 12:32] ID=14687 Detlef Härtig: iPhone
[2017-12-05 13:15] ID=14688 Lekandi: Anyone know how to purchase 60k usd in bitcoin in cash or bank transfer?
[2017-12-05 13:39] ID=14689 RE_ID=14688 thorbjorn: Use bank transfer to send it to an exchange, and exchange it for Bitcoin there.
[2017-12-05 15:07] ID=14690 Lekandi: Only problem is i dont want to get flagged that high on an exchange or get funds held for along time
[2017-12-05 15:07] ID=14691 GB: https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/7homy6/bitcoin_in_this_years_time_person_of_the_year/
[2017-12-05 15:39] ID=14692 RE_ID=14691 theultimatum: That would be awesome
[2017-12-05 15:41] ID=14693 GB: That was an oopsie, fat fingers share
[2017-12-05 15:41] ID=14694 GB: Sorry about that
[2017-12-05 17:05] ID=14695 RE_ID=14686 bilbma: Sure!!!! Only i just hve to wait😁
[2017-12-05 17:26] ID=14696 idelo: Any news about the return of the swift investment?
[2017-12-05 17:26] ID=14697 idelo: https://swish.mycelium.com
[2017-12-05 17:56] ID=14698 Qblu32ooth: Can mycelium in the future hold Fiat?
[2017-12-05 18:02] ID=14699 jandreske: Would you want that company to hold your fiat?
[2017-12-05 18:04] ID=14700 m4rtin1: Hell no
[2017-12-05 18:30] ID=14701 RE_ID=14687 cvennekel: Probiere mal die App durch task switcher zu Killen. Also app komplett zu und neu starten, dadurch muss sie sich neu synchronisieren und dann passt es in der Regel
[2017-12-05 18:37] ID=14702 Detlef Härtig: Task switcher für IOS? Wo finde ich das?
[2017-12-05 18:47] ID=14703 Detlef Härtig: Ok, hat geklappt, thanks for your support
[2017-12-05 18:57] ID=14704 Emoji_Nakamoto: https://twitter.com/Emoji_Nakamoto/status/937845036506648576
[2017-12-06 15:12] ID=14705 Zerro1489: None
[2017-12-06 15:14] ID=14706 Zerro1489: Hello!\n\nPrompt from your wallet the withdrawal of RMC\nalready more than 2 hours there is no confirmation, usually 30 minutes all reached the ranks\n\nNow what are the difficulties with translations there?
[2017-12-06 23:26] ID=14707 Bryan S: None
[2017-12-07 03:07] ID=14708 Emoji_Nakamoto: bitsonline.com/lightning-network-multihop-bitcoin/
[2017-12-07 16:08] ID=14709 davidelkaim: None
[2017-12-07 16:29] ID=14710 Pepy Ganea: Wallet not working
[2017-12-07 16:29] ID=14711 Pepy Ganea: Antonie else have this problem?
[2017-12-07 16:29] ID=14712 Pepy Ganea: Anyone*
[2017-12-07 16:32] ID=14713 m4rtin1: Please specify your problem; provide screenshots.
[2017-12-07 16:42] ID=14714 Rassah: Yeah, mine isn't even starting. It seems to be stuck on trying to find balances for RMC coins, or whatever, before even asking me for a pin.
[2017-12-07 16:42] ID=14715 NitkoNista: None
[2017-12-07 16:43] ID=14716 NitkoNista: Mine is also not starting....
[2017-12-07 16:43] ID=14717 Pepy Ganea: It wasnt starting, how it Ok, but it die not start for 10 minutes
[2017-12-07 16:43] ID=14718 Rassah: From what I was told, it tries to check your color coin balances before it actually starts up. This really should be done after it starts up.
[2017-12-07 16:43] ID=14719 Pepy Ganea: Now its ok* sorry for the bad typeing
[2017-12-07 16:45] ID=14720 Rassah: Mine is still not okay. I tried to disable my internet access to bypass the colored coin check, but it's still having issues.
[2017-12-07 16:50] ID=14721 Rassah: After 5 minutes finally started to work. Seems like it may be trying to update something in the first start after an update.
[2017-12-07 16:53] ID=14722 NitkoNista: Mine does not work again....
[2017-12-07 16:53] ID=14723 Rassah: Yeah, spoke too soon. Closed it, and it's still taking forever to start
[2017-12-07 16:53] ID=14724 Pepy Ganea: I think this is the last time i use mycelium.... alsow i will donate 1mt if i remember the passphrase used...
[2017-12-07 16:54] ID=14725 Rassah: I'm thinking of switching too... Those colored coins and RMC really screwed things up. Will still need something for Trezor thought.
[2017-12-07 16:55] ID=14726 NitkoNista: Yup it become mess.... :-(
[2017-12-07 16:58] ID=14727 NitkoNista: Trezor is also down from time to time....
[2017-12-07 16:59] ID=14728 NitkoNista: Most services do not work ok today.... Heavy load....
[2017-12-07 17:02] ID=14729 TomyBoy: what is going on with the app?
[2017-12-07 17:03] ID=14730 RE_ID=14722 TomyBoy: mine too
[2017-12-07 17:06] ID=14731 ShortFatUglyDumb: I'm reading rumors that several crypto exchanges r crashing or buckling under heavy load. Maybe Mycelium is checking certain/various feeds upon startup & doesn't have a proper timeout set for these faulty exchanges/feeds. Just a theory...
[2017-12-07 17:28] ID=14732 onFire_co: Yay, it's working now
[2017-12-07 17:36] ID=14733 RE_ID=14731 Rassah: Good theory
[2017-12-07 17:38] ID=14734 BB_Martino: I would have expected MyCelium to connect to MyC servers to get cached info and not poll different exchanges separately. But I guess it's poss.
[2017-12-07 18:10] ID=14735 Rassah: That was the plan at one point
[2017-12-07 18:32] ID=14736 TomyBoy: what if hackers attack MYCELIUM?
[2017-12-07 18:33] ID=14737 TomyBoy: like Nicehash
[2017-12-07 18:36] ID=14738 Rassah: Your keys are on your phone. At most they would interrupt service
[2017-12-07 18:39] ID=14739 RE_ID=14738 TomyBoy: okay then.
[2017-12-07 18:39] ID=14740 TomyBoy: one stupid question
[2017-12-07 18:40] ID=14741 TomyBoy: if my phone got stolen...etc...my 12 word  passphrase will restore my btc on the other phone right?
[2017-12-07 18:40] ID=14742 TomyBoy: i am relatively new to this
[2017-12-07 18:42] ID=14743 TomyBoy: i just wanna make sure
[2017-12-07 18:42] ID=14744 TomyBoy: or do i have to buy ledger better
[2017-12-07 18:45] ID=14745 TomyBoy: imma little scared...
[2017-12-07 18:46] ID=14746 RE_ID=14741 Rassah: Yes
[2017-12-07 18:46] ID=14747 Rassah: Make sure you set up a pin on your phone too. One you won't forget, or set it to be resettable
[2017-12-07 18:48] ID=14748 TomyBoy: okay thanks
[2017-12-07 18:48] ID=14749 TomyBoy: u mean  a pin  when i open the app,  right,
[2017-12-07 18:49] ID=14750 TomyBoy: ?
[2017-12-07 18:49] ID=14751 Rassah: Yes
[2017-12-07 18:49] ID=14752 TomyBoy: i have it
[2017-12-07 18:49] ID=14753 TomyBoy: great man.
[2017-12-07 18:49] ID=14754 Rassah: So if it's stolen or lost, you'll have time to restore it on another phone and move the money elsewhere
[2017-12-07 18:51] ID=14755 RE_ID=14754 TomyBoy: hmmm
[2017-12-07 18:51] ID=14756 TomyBoy: but if i buy  an other secondary phone\n?
[2017-12-07 18:52] ID=14757 TomyBoy: and set up the same pin....passphrase?
[2017-12-07 18:53] ID=14758 TomyBoy: then my money should be safe....if my daily driver phone got erased..stolen...lost
[2017-12-07 18:54] ID=14759 TomyBoy: am.i right?
[2017-12-07 19:14] ID=14760 RE_ID=14757 m4rtin1: Could be done but is adding risk
[2017-12-07 19:14] ID=14761 m4rtin1: Just store the recovery seed somewhere safe
[2017-12-07 19:23] ID=14762 RE_ID=14761 TomyBoy: okay. thanks
[2017-12-07 19:28] ID=14763 TomyBoy: so whatever happens my recovery seed will make my wallet alive again.
[2017-12-07 19:28] ID=14764 TomyBoy: but i dont understad totally..\nthey said i have 5 private keys on my phones internal memory
[2017-12-07 19:29] ID=14765 TomyBoy: if i clean my internal memory and flash a new rom...my orivate keys are gone. so the recovery seed are my private keys\n?
[2017-12-07 19:29] ID=14766 TomyBoy: ?
[2017-12-07 19:30] ID=14767 TomyBoy: private keys equal master seed words or what?
[2017-12-07 19:31] ID=14768 RE_ID=14764 m4rtin1: Pm
[2017-12-07 19:31] ID=14769 TomyBoy: 
[2017-12-07 19:31] ID=14770 Rassah: All keys are recovered from the same 12 word phrase
[2017-12-07 19:32] ID=14771 RE_ID=14770 TomyBoy: ahh okay. i know i sound stupid but i wanna understand this thing 100 %
[2017-12-07 19:32] ID=14772 RE_ID=14770 TomyBoy: cool then
[2017-12-07 19:33] ID=14773 m4rtin1: Just read the text I've sent you
[2017-12-07 19:43] ID=14774 RE_ID=14773 TomyBoy: 👍
[2017-12-08 09:57] ID=14775 Psbug: None
[2017-12-08 11:10] ID=14776 Psbug: 👋🏾
[2017-12-08 11:12] ID=14777 Psbug: admin, can you help me with this.. transaction not confirmed since yesterday. using mycelium wallet
[2017-12-08 12:11] ID=14779 RE_ID=14777 cvennekel: https://www.smartbit.com.au/tx/61efa52e121d6adc7d5b83e27f6daa004f6fb33e4f16fdc1312e6314afacab74\n\nYour fee is 216 sat/byte aka it is sitting in the purple layer of unconfirmed transactions, it is not confirming as others are paying a higher fee than you are and are priotized over you\n\nhttps://jochen-hoenicke.de/queue/#24h
[2017-12-08 13:08] ID=14780 Lekandi: Mine is half ass working
[2017-12-08 13:10] ID=14781 Lekandi: Yesterday couldn't open for awhile. Today when i refresh a wallet im waiting on incoming transaction it tells me "transaction sent" but i have no transactions in the wallet
[2017-12-08 13:26] ID=14782 RE_ID=14734 Giszmo: This is exactly how it works.
[2017-12-08 13:27] ID=14783 RE_ID=14736 Giszmo: nicehash had the bounty on a server. In Mycelium the bounty is on currently more than 250k devices.
[2017-12-08 13:29] ID=14784 RE_ID=14744 Giszmo: I would sleep better if our users used hardware wallets. Please, if with the bitcoins in your Mycelium wallet you could buy 50 hardware wallets, buy at least one.
[2017-12-08 13:33] ID=14785 Giszmo: We are aware of server issues and working on it. I suspect the high mempool to be at least part of the issue but we will also today increase the number of our backing servers.
[2017-12-08 13:35] ID=14786 Giszmo: Regarding the slow startup, Elvis identified the issue and fixed it. I will release this in slow roll out today and over the weekend.
[2017-12-08 14:55] ID=14787 Qblu32ooth: What is the mycelium gear for?
[2017-12-08 16:08] ID=14788 RE_ID=14779 Rassah: Mine is same situation. Spent a $15 transaction fee, and it's still sitting unconfirmed 12 hours later.
[2017-12-08 16:09] ID=14789 SJ C: how is it that btc network fees are so cheap on mycelium wallet?
[2017-12-08 16:09] ID=14790 RE_ID=14786 Rassah: Thanks!
[2017-12-08 16:09] ID=14791 SJ C: or am i mistaken
[2017-12-08 16:09] ID=14792 RE_ID=14789 Rassah: Cheap?
[2017-12-08 16:10] ID=14793 SJ C: yeah i am seeing sub $1 reported from people
[2017-12-08 16:12] ID=14794 Rassah: That was probably a few days ago
[2017-12-08 16:56] ID=14795 RE_ID=14783 TomyBoy: ohh i got it
[2017-12-08 16:58] ID=14796 RE_ID=14784 TomyBoy: i will buy it
[2017-12-08 18:12] ID=14797 Ilya Bezugly: None
[2017-12-08 18:23] ID=14798 Ilya Bezugly: 
[2017-12-08 18:23] ID=14799 Ilya Bezugly: Hi. I have a problem with my Mycelium wallet on Iphone, please help. I can not transfer my bitcoin because the wallet “can not  synchronize the account”. For the last 12 hours or so. I downloaded Mycelium on another iphone - same story: i do see my coins, but can not transfer them. Mycelium support is not answering. Any ideas, tips? Please advise
[2017-12-08 19:47] ID=14800 Lekandi: I cant send anything right now. Refreshed everything and says wallet out of sync
[2017-12-08 19:47] ID=14801 Lekandi: Rejected by network
[2017-12-08 20:00] ID=14802 Rassah: Hodl?
[2017-12-08 20:05] ID=14803 Rassah: Confirmed, Mycelium servers are out of sync. A transaction that confirmed 5 blocks ago is still unconfirmed in my wallet
[2017-12-08 20:14] ID=14804 Lekandi: Yeah Mycelium is all fucked up now. Which other wallet to do recommend @Rassah?
[2017-12-08 20:30] ID=14805 Rassah: Airbitz 😐
[2017-12-08 20:30] ID=14806 Rassah: I use both.
[2017-12-08 20:30] ID=14807 Rassah: And I know the team and leadership behind both really well.
[2017-12-08 21:08] ID=14808 idelo: Bread is really good
[2017-12-08 21:29] ID=14809 Giszmo: we are still experiencing server issues. new servers will probably not be put in service before Monday. Old servers look so and so. one is 20 blocks behind but syncing. the other is up to date. others are permanently down and due to be replaced by those new servers that we are rushing now.
[2017-12-08 21:36] ID=14810 ShortFatUglyDumb: thx 4 upd8, Leo.
[2017-12-09 00:34] ID=14811 Giszmo: our server is still 2 blocks behind but it's down to 2 blocks now. Things seam to get back to normal.
[2017-12-09 00:55] ID=14812 RE_ID=14789 df: Today I was showing some one the Mycelium wallet and the fee was $0.10 for a 3 hour confirmation. I told them I wouldn't recommend the $0.10 fee.
[2017-12-09 01:59] ID=14813 Royalan1: None
[2017-12-09 02:14] ID=14814 Royalan1: Hi I'm new. I have an RMC acct on Mycelium. It still says Backup Missing. I have done backup already so what am I missing?
[2017-12-09 03:21] ID=14815 RE_ID=14814 Giszmo: the token accounts are single address accounts. they are not covered by the 12 words backup. click the backup button again.
[2017-12-09 04:37] ID=14816 RE_ID=14815 Royalan1: Got it! Thx, Leo.
[2017-12-09 08:19] ID=14817 Lekandi: Airbitz sure asks for alot of permissions. And if you deny them they keep forcing back up. Theres no reason they need access to location or contacts
[2017-12-09 09:46] ID=14818 Folef Hooft Graafland: None
[2017-12-09 16:07] ID=14819 Bryan S: Can the Mycelium Token be stored in the Mycelium Wallet?
[2017-12-09 18:08] ID=14820 RE_ID=14819 Lekandi: You can barely store bitcoin in the Mycelium wallet right now....
[2017-12-09 19:00] ID=14821 RE_ID=14815 Rassah: That's weird
[2017-12-09 22:15] ID=14822 RE_ID=14820 Giszmo: come on! It's fine now and yes, we had a bit of a down time on Friday like any exchange has once a week.
[2017-12-09 22:16] ID=14823 RE_ID=14821 Giszmo: I had asked to fix that in the code review but it was pushed out. As I'm no fan of anything but bitcoin, I wasn't as passionate about "doing it right" as I maybe should have been.
[2017-12-09 23:02] ID=14824 Rassah: Makes sense :D
[2017-12-09 23:03] ID=14825 Rassah: But, if the wallet is going to have sketchy mining Ponzi coins or whatever, at leas it should do it right 😂
[2017-12-10 16:16] ID=14826 RE_ID=14825 Giszmo: that was my other concern: colored coin support should never have been selective. By picking some, we make a value judgement and limit usability. I'm no fan of those extra features for certain colored coins.
[2017-12-10 18:35] ID=14827 Bitcoinpromo: Copied!!!\nIn case you’re wondering what’s going on with Bitcoin, all the institutional money is piling in right now.\n\nIt will continue to go up, as you saw the first $2000+ day today. Bitcoin futures will be trading starting on the 10th and then on the 18th.\n\nThe financial institutions are going to try to manipulate the market.\n\nThey are acquiring Bitcoin in massive amounts, hence the big run up.\n\nWhen they run it up high enough ($20k range is the target) then they will all sell at once and it will tank in the short term.\n\nSince they will also be holding large amounts of futures they will short the fall and make huge money on both sides.\n\nOnce it goes to the near term bottom, they will re-buy the low and repeat.\n\nP.S. Let’s revisit this post in a few weeks.\nYou’ll think I had a time machine.\n\nNothing secret about it, Goldman Sachs and all the others have been doing this forever.\n\nThis is how Wall Street works. It’s the biggest, rigged, legal casino gambling in the world.\n\nAnd the house always wins against the little guy. So think long term and hang on because it’s about to get a little crazy.
[2017-12-10 18:37] ID=14828 RE_ID=12050 Bitcoinpromo: Can someone please help with steps to access BCD, BTG etc as well when they become implemented
[2017-12-10 18:47] ID=14829 RE_ID=14827 Rassah: I'm highly skeptical of this 😑
[2017-12-11 01:26] ID=14830 TomyBoy: Screenshot (Dec 11, 2017 02:26:02)
[2017-12-11 01:26] ID=14831 TomyBoy: i must fulfill KYC requirement?
[2017-12-11 01:26] ID=14832 TomyBoy: wtf?
[2017-12-11 01:28] ID=14833 TomyBoy: its much more easier to buy bitcoins in MYCELIUM
[2017-12-11 01:29] ID=14834 TomyBoy: cannot figure out this AIRBITZ...
[2017-12-11 01:30] ID=14835 TomyBoy: sorry...i know its only MYCELIUM group
[2017-12-11 01:30] ID=14836 TomyBoy: i will delete my messages if needed
[2017-12-11 01:30] ID=14837 Rassah: Yeah, don't buy Bitcoin through wallets. That's for newbs.
[2017-12-11 01:31] ID=14838 TomyBoy: but i bought thru MYCELIUM
[2017-12-11 01:31] ID=14839 Rassah: Ok, okay
[2017-12-11 01:31] ID=14840 Rassah: I mean, it's awesome
[2017-12-11 01:31] ID=14841 TomyBoy: i was newbie...but still a little...
[2017-12-11 01:31] ID=14842 TomyBoy: i have poloniex account...
[2017-12-11 01:32] ID=14843 TomyBoy: what u suggest? where to buy bitcoins ?
[2017-12-11 01:32] ID=14844 Rassah: Exchange. Probably cheaper than thorough wallet
[2017-12-11 01:33] ID=14845 TomyBoy: but on exchange i cant do it with my visit card...do i?
[2017-12-11 01:33] ID=14846 Rassah: Usually no
[2017-12-11 01:34] ID=14847 TomyBoy: i have to know somebody in real life to send me to my exchange address when i paid him...but i dont know anybody who could sell me ...
[2017-12-11 01:35] ID=14848 TomyBoy: so i bought in MYCELIUM...i paid more...but here is what it is
[2017-12-11 01:36] ID=14849 TomyBoy: for miners is easy to buy anything
[2017-12-11 01:37] ID=14850 TomyBoy: nevermind...i will stay with MYCELIUM
[2017-12-11 01:37] ID=14851 TomyBoy: i hope it is safe enough
[2017-12-11 02:08] ID=14852 TomyBoy: its still not easy to buy bitcoin
[2017-12-11 02:08] ID=14853 TomyBoy: lets say ...i wanna buy for 5 bucks bitcoin. ..
[2017-12-11 02:09] ID=14854 TomyBoy: i my town there is no Bitcoin ATM yet
[2017-12-11 02:10] ID=14855 TomyBoy: they say...buy bitcoin...buy...buy...
[2017-12-11 02:10] ID=14856 TomyBoy: but no one saying how to if i ask
[2017-12-11 02:22] ID=14857 Rassah: Any local traders in Mycelium app? Or LocalBitcoins.com sellers?
[2017-12-11 02:23] ID=14858 Rassah: $5 doesn't seem like a lot though, especially with today's fees.
[2017-12-11 02:46] ID=14859 iircaz55: None
[2017-12-11 03:50] ID=14860 RE_ID=14856 jandreske: If 10 messages in a row are by you, maybe that is a sign it would have have been a good idea to structure your thoughts a bit before writing 😉
[2017-12-11 11:07] ID=14861 RE_ID=14860 Lekandi: I was tricked into thinking there was alot of activity in here and just one person lol
[2017-12-11 18:46] ID=14862 RE_ID=14860 TomyBoy: ...but u does not answered my question...
[2017-12-11 18:47] ID=14863 TomyBoy: its chat! like talking in everyday life
[2017-12-11 18:48] ID=14864 jandreske: If you use mycelium on Android, you can use local trader to meet someone to buy bitcoin from. Otherwise, find an exchange, broker service or ATM. This group is not really for discussion on how to acquire bitcoin, more for talk about the mycelium wallet.
[2017-12-11 18:50] ID=14865 RE_ID=14858 TomyBoy: okay,lets say 50 bucks then!
[2017-12-11 18:52] ID=14866 RE_ID=14864 TomyBoy: yeah. i already know this...so its still a little difficult to buy bitcoin. time will tell...i hope one day i can buy normally bitcoins like euros...or other currency
[2017-12-11 19:22] ID=14867 Rassah: Why not set up an exchange account?
[2017-12-11 21:53] ID=14868 TomyBoy: i have it. i told you i have account on poloniex
[2017-12-12 01:31] ID=14869 leokenobi: None
[2017-12-12 01:32] ID=14870 leokenobi: Hi there, I have issues in sending my bitcoin in mycelium iOS version. I clicked on send all bitcoin option, but it doesn't reflect that
[2017-12-12 01:32] ID=14871 leokenobi: Anyone has the same issue ? Or know what is going on
[2017-12-12 02:07] ID=14872 RE_ID=14870 Giszmo: The iOS version has a bug where you can't send all your funds until you do a transaction. After that, all should be normal and there seams to be no way to get the wallet fixed without doing a transaction.\n\nNot an iOS dev but that's how I understood it.
[2017-12-12 02:08] ID=14873 leokenobi: Means, I need to do one transaction first. Then, subsequent transactions would be back to normal ?
[2017-12-12 02:52] ID=14874 chepoi: None
[2017-12-12 08:27] ID=14875 Lekandi: Another server issue today? I have a guy that sent me payment and not showing in my wallet
[2017-12-12 08:52] ID=14876 And_ms: None
[2017-12-12 08:54] ID=14877 Potihonichku: None
[2017-12-12 08:56] ID=14878 AlexGors: None
[2017-12-12 09:27] ID=14879 Andreyrimax: None
[2017-12-12 09:34] ID=14880 ToptunMV: None
[2017-12-12 09:37] ID=14881 RE_ID=14875 ShortFatUglyDumb: Check the tx on a block explorer. Also make sure the fee is >= 5 sats/byte.
[2017-12-12 10:50] ID=14882 ???: None
[2017-12-12 14:51] ID=14883 ImadL: What is the integrated altcoin exchange they added in Mycelium?
[2017-12-12 14:51] ID=14884 ImadL: ShapeShift or Changelly?
[2017-12-12 14:54] ID=14885 TomyBoy: Screenshot (Dec 12, 2017 15:54:15)
[2017-12-12 14:54] ID=14886 TomyBoy: this is the minimum fee if i send my coins to another address??
[2017-12-12 14:55] ID=14887 TomyBoy: only 0.12 dollars?
[2017-12-12 14:57] ID=14888 TomyBoy: slow but the cheapest ?
[2017-12-12 14:58] ID=14889 TomyBoy: tell me please
[2017-12-12 14:58] ID=14890 nelsonm: This is the minimum you can use but i would not recommend it
[2017-12-12 14:58] ID=14891 nelsonm: CHeck out https://bitcoinfees.earn.com/
[2017-12-12 14:59] ID=14892 TomyBoy: which u recommend?
[2017-12-12 14:59] ID=14893 TomyBoy: normal? priority?
[2017-12-12 15:00] ID=14894 nelsonm: I recommend to check out on the website what are the estimates depending on how much satoshis per bytes you use for the fee. And then choose depending on how fast you need it confirmed
[2017-12-12 15:01] ID=14895 TomyBoy: hmmm. okay. thanks
[2017-12-12 15:01] ID=14896 nelsonm: Im surprised it tells you it would take approximately 3 hours to confirm for 3sat / bytes, can you refresh ?
[2017-12-12 15:02] ID=14897 TomyBoy: why not u recommend this  then? i am not refreshed .
[2017-12-12 15:02] ID=14898 TomyBoy: does not matter for me 3 hours
[2017-12-12 15:03] ID=14899 TomyBoy: i have time
[2017-12-12 15:04] ID=14900 TomyBoy: cannot refresh it
[2017-12-12 15:04] ID=14901 TomyBoy: tried.
[2017-12-12 15:05] ID=14902 TomyBoy: why do u not recommend this slowest but cheapest method?
[2017-12-12 15:05] ID=14903 thorbjorn: Seems like a bug.
[2017-12-12 15:05] ID=14904 RE_ID=14903 TomyBoy: how many hours it takes then?
[2017-12-12 15:06] ID=14905 TomyBoy: 6?
[2017-12-12 15:06] ID=14906 thorbjorn: https://bitcoinfees.earn.com/
[2017-12-12 15:06] ID=14907 TomyBoy: 12?
[2017-12-12 15:06] ID=14908 thorbjorn: "The fastest and cheapest transaction fee is currently 400 satoshis/byte, shown in green at the top."
[2017-12-12 15:07] ID=14909 TomyBoy: but i  do not need the fastest
[2017-12-12 15:07] ID=14910 thorbjorn: Then you can pay lower, but paying only 4 sat/byte is likely to not confirm in some days.
[2017-12-12 15:07] ID=14911 nelsonm: my guess would be that the default low prio ratio is not 3 satoshis per bytes, and have an estimation of 3 hours, then you slid the second slider to the minimum of 3 satoshis per bytes
[2017-12-12 15:07] ID=14912 thorbjorn: Just look at rising mempool again: https://blockchain.info/charts/mempool-count
[2017-12-12 15:07] ID=14913 nelsonm: which has an estimation of 35 mintes to infinity to be confirmed
[2017-12-12 15:08] ID=14914 nelsonm: closer to infinity seeing the network now
[2017-12-12 15:08] ID=14915 nelsonm: UI can be improved on that
[2017-12-12 15:08] ID=14916 TomyBoy: ohh got it
[2017-12-12 15:08] ID=14917 TomyBoy: so i should choose the normal method
[2017-12-12 15:09] ID=14918 nelsonm: Yes, use the upper slider, lower slider is for when you want to be more precise.
[2017-12-12 15:09] ID=14919 RE_ID=14873 Ilya Bezugly: Mycelium for IOS sucks big time. Had major issues like yours last week. Most of their clients use Android and they do not fix bugs in IOS version. I moved all my coins to Bread wallet - much better for IOS
[2017-12-12 15:09] ID=14920 RE_ID=14918 TomyBoy: okay cool thx
[2017-12-12 15:09] ID=14921 nelsonm: Some people have transactions with lots and lots of inputs, and need a way to make very low fee transactions, even if it takes ages
[2017-12-12 15:10] ID=14922 RE_ID=14921 TomyBoy: yeah i know.
[2017-12-12 15:10] ID=14923 nelsonm: its always good to double check on https://bitcoinfees.earn.com/ to see the estimate for the fee you are choosing.
[2017-12-12 15:11] ID=14924 nelsonm: You can see how many transactions are in the mempool for each range, etc
[2017-12-12 15:11] ID=14925 RE_ID=14924 TomyBoy: okay
[2017-12-12 15:11] ID=14926 TomyBoy: thanks a lot
[2017-12-12 15:11] ID=14927 RE_ID=14926 nelsonm: You're welcome
[2017-12-12 15:45] ID=14928 RE_ID=14919 leokenobi: Thanks for the update. Ya, I figured. I think I would use Nano ledger S instead. Looking into it
[2017-12-12 19:42] ID=14929 Giszmo: On fees:\nMycelium recommends to not use the lower slider if you are not sure you know what you are doing. The hours estimate is a prediction and predictions about the future are usually not very accurate but the estimate you get there is based on the past week of bitcoin network activity with a 95% confidence interval. You will usually get a quicker confirmation than the 3h in the low-priority for example but still there are 5% of the transactions in the past week that paid that fee and did not confirm in 3h. On a Sunday, this estimate is usually way too pessimistic but here we get to a more expert use of the sliders.\n\nPeople wanted custom fees. We provided but now people keep shooting their feet with the features they got. Please, don't touch the lower slider. Just don't, unless you can explain how the mempool, spending from UTXO and miners' preference work more or less.\n\nNelson suggested a page to get fee suggestions that is providing less conservative estimates. I would recommend to study these charts:\nhttps://jochen-hoenicke.de/queue/#1w\n\nIn my opinion they give the most intuitive insight into the fee dynamics over time.
[2017-12-12 20:13] ID=14930 df: I deleted a unconfirmed transaction, now the balance is showing 0 BTC. If I didn't know how HD wallets worked, I would be freaking out thinking I lost all my Bitcoins. Version 2.9.10.3
[2017-12-12 20:15] ID=14931 df: I refresh a few times, now the unconfirmed transaction is back.
[2017-12-13 01:45] ID=14932 RE_ID=14930 Giszmo: yes, well, deleting is kind of a non-feature. We wanted it for stuck transactions and I found code that was just commented out, supposedly doing the trick. Now I know why it was commented out: The UTXO set doesn't get calculated accordingly but it's kind of a hopeless case. Either the transaction is still floating around, in which case you can't double-spend it anyway or it is not, in which case reloading the account already removes it.\nI started working on RBF sending, so that all transactions with fee lower than fee X (my pick would be lower than priority but lower than low-priority is fine with me for a start, too) would be RBF by default. I was pulled from that effort at a point where RBF worked but non-RBF was broken but for a real feature a lot would be missing for reasons beyond this scope. Anyway, with RBF, you could just bump the fee of your stuck transaction or spend it otherwise or do whatever you want instead of days of confirmation anxiety.
[2017-12-13 02:21] ID=14933 Rassah: Bumping is so expensive though. Can that fee be lowered a bit?
[2017-12-13 02:23] ID=14934 Rassah: Like to normal instead of priority? My two input transaction was $15 in fees, and after 12 hours I was going to bump it, but that would've been another $26 tx fee on top of that, so I didn't bother. It eventually cleared, but still...
[2017-12-13 06:19] ID=14935 jochemla: None
[2017-12-13 06:19] ID=14936 jochemla: Hi all, is there a beta for the new mycelium wallet on Android?
[2017-12-13 06:23] ID=14937 jochemla: I mean for the new version showcased on the website? I am already a beta tester on the play store for the Android version.
[2017-12-13 08:00] ID=14938 zihus: None
[2017-12-13 08:07] ID=14939 RE_ID=14929 TomyBoy: okay. i chose the "normal"
[2017-12-13 08:08] ID=14940 TomyBoy: everything is okay. after 30 minutes i got confirmed
[2017-12-13 08:08] ID=14941 TomyBoy: cool. thank you all for helping
[2017-12-13 08:10] ID=14942 zihus: None
[2017-12-13 13:22] ID=14943 Lekandi: Any groups for android security?
[2017-12-13 13:41] ID=14944 Lekandi: I have a question maybe one of the devs can answer. How much risk is it putting mycelium on a rooted phone thats not encrypted?
[2017-12-13 13:50] ID=14945 Giszmo: None
[2017-12-13 14:11] ID=14946 RE_ID=14944 cvennekel: a lot,\nhow much risk is it putting the key to your front door on the outside on your front door?\n\nas once your phone is rooted every app has full admin rights, any app can read out the data stored by mycelium wallet. \n\nSo if you are doing an rooted setup, you are likely doing it wrong
[2017-12-13 14:16] ID=14947 thorbjorn: Why is it that rooting a phose disables all its security? Is that just how rooting works? One would hope there is a way to give only specific apps root access...
[2017-12-13 14:18] ID=14948 thorbjorn: Also, could (or does) Mycelium show a warning when it detects the phone is rooted then? Personally I have installed a custom ROM (LineageOS). I think by default it's not rooted, but it would be good to be sure.
[2017-12-13 14:44] ID=14949 RE_ID=14947 TomyBoy: with magisk u can hide root
[2017-12-13 14:44] ID=14950 TomyBoy: or disable root acces to any app u want if i am not mistaken
[2017-12-13 14:45] ID=14951 thorbjorn: Ah, well it should be the other way around of course.
[2017-12-13 14:45] ID=14952 RE_ID=14951 TomyBoy: yeah
[2017-12-13 14:45] ID=14953 RE_ID=14948 TomyBoy: its not rooted
[2017-12-13 14:46] ID=14954 TomyBoy: i am using aicp los rom...and it is rooted by me with magisk
[2017-12-13 14:46] ID=14955 TomyBoy: but by default it is not rooted!
[2017-12-13 14:47] ID=14956 TomyBoy: but wait ...i never ever got warned by mycelium but i am rooted as well...
[2017-12-13 14:48] ID=14957 thorbjorn: Nobody said it was warning, I just asked about it.
[2017-12-13 14:48] ID=14958 TomyBoy: ahhhh...okay
[2017-12-13 15:08] ID=14959 Giszmo: In support we communicate a lot through direct messages and in public channels, that rooting your phone and putting Bitcoins on it is a bad idea. Don't do it. We have reason to believe that many people lost bitcoins on rooted phones but adding code to detect rooting is not on the roadmap, as it can be hidden from the apps and we can't be made responsible for users undermining the system's sandboxing mechanism which is at the root of every android security.
[2017-12-13 15:27] ID=14960 RE_ID=14959 TomyBoy: okay i got it.  but if i use Ledger then i can be rooted... cause my coins  are on the cold storage (hardware wallet) am i right or  am  i wrong?
[2017-12-13 15:28] ID=14961 RE_ID=14960 Giszmo: yes, if you don't use any of the other accounts or features.
[2017-12-13 15:30] ID=14962 TomyBoy: allright. geee i have to buy a secondary phone only for my bitcoins...cause i cannot live without root...damn..
[2017-12-13 15:30] ID=14963 TomyBoy: 😐😕😕😕
[2017-12-13 15:33] ID=14964 Lekandi: So using ledger or trezor thru it would protect it as long as coins are on the device and not the phone?
[2017-12-13 15:41] ID=14965 TomyBoy: there should be a solution for the rooted users too
[2017-12-13 17:08] ID=14966 Transisto: https://github.com/mycelium-com/wallet-android/issues/436
[2017-12-13 17:10] ID=14967 RE_ID=14964 Rassah: That's correct
[2017-12-13 18:36] ID=14968 ImadL: I know you're no longer part of the team rassah but I want to know about the SPV update. Is it still a priority?
[2017-12-13 18:37] ID=14969 ImadL: I remember u telling me it should be pushed within two weeks
[2017-12-13 18:37] ID=14970 ImadL: And that was like two months ago
[2017-12-13 19:15] ID=14971 Rassah: From what @Giszmo told me a month ago, it should be out soon(?)
[2017-12-13 19:16] ID=14972 Rassah: Testnet wallet already has an SPV module and supposedly works with SPV
[2017-12-13 19:17] ID=14973 Giszmo: @ImadL modularization is top priority for 4-5 of us. We are working on modules and bringing multiĺe modules into the app at once starting today. I doubt we can release it this year though, with the holidays around the corner.
[2017-12-13 20:23] ID=14974 Rassah: What kinds of modules?
[2017-12-14 02:30] ID=14975 TheSatMan: Any update about MT token? Or are we still lost and forgotten? 😨
[2017-12-14 02:36] ID=14976 RE_ID=14975 seektree: id like to know too
[2017-12-14 02:36] ID=14977 seektree: 16k in the drain
[2017-12-14 02:44] ID=14978 seektree: 
[2017-12-14 02:59] ID=14979 RE_ID=14977 Rassah: omg 😖
[2017-12-14 03:15] ID=14980 RE_ID=14979 DoubleYouSee23: swish?
[2017-12-14 03:43] ID=14981 seektree: well.. 1 btc for 1mt is what i paid. what about u?
[2017-12-14 03:44] ID=14982 seektree: 
[2017-12-14 03:49] ID=14983 Rassah: Oh
[2017-12-14 03:49] ID=14984 Rassah: I thought $16k worth invested, instead of $478
[2017-12-14 03:51] ID=14985 Rohit Gogia: @leo did you get any ios support individual yet who can help me in unlocking my wallet and transfer btc.
[2017-12-14 06:32] ID=14986 ZzKrik: None
[2017-12-14 06:34] ID=14988 SSFil: None
[2017-12-14 06:35] ID=14989 Boerru: None
[2017-12-14 06:39] ID=14990 KryptoDima: None
[2017-12-14 06:41] ID=14991 KryptoDima: 
[2017-12-14 06:41] ID=14992 KryptoDima: hello, i try send 0.0001 RMC to RMC wallet, seted fee about 235 sat/byte, but in fact it maden with 87 sat/byte \nhttps://www.blocktrail.com/BTC/tx/5def44c521e64a452fdc2e0dbea27c1489c9d0408657e53e02e445509d2d8bc3
[2017-12-14 06:44] ID=14993 KryptoDima: it is wallet error?
[2017-12-14 07:06] ID=14994 Тарасов Алексей: None
[2017-12-14 07:16] ID=14995 rushyeah: None
[2017-12-14 08:39] ID=14996 Lekandi: When is segwit support added?
[2017-12-14 09:04] ID=14997 ultrawox: None
[2017-12-14 10:39] ID=14998 FloridS: None
[2017-12-14 10:41] ID=14999 Vangor777: None
[2017-12-14 14:00] ID=15000 Яков: None
[2017-12-14 17:06] ID=15001 TomyBoy: where can i see my LIQUI .IO bitcon  Address?
[2017-12-14 17:06] ID=15002 TomyBoy: help me please if somebody can help.
[2017-12-14 17:11] ID=15003 ImadL: A screenshot of the exchange
[2017-12-14 17:13] ID=15004 ImadL: I use it but don't remember the interface
[2017-12-14 17:25] ID=15005 TomyBoy: 
[2017-12-14 17:26] ID=15006 TomyBoy: here is. but on mobile phone!
[2017-12-14 17:26] ID=15007 TomyBoy: not on pc!
[2017-12-14 17:26] ID=15008 TomyBoy: i dont have pc right now
[2017-12-14 20:41] ID=15009 ImadL: Use the button under interest
[2017-12-14 20:41] ID=15010 ImadL: I believe u should find BALANCES
[2017-12-15 02:17] ID=15011 RE_ID=14985 Giszmo: no update on iOS support. Sorry.
[2017-12-15 02:21] ID=15012 RE_ID=14992 Giszmo: Although I didn't have this issue and only ever heard of others being convinced they had it but for obvious reasons never screen-recorded it, this is an issue we are now looking into.if anybody knows how to reproduce it, please step forward.
[2017-12-15 02:48] ID=15013 RE_ID=15012 Lekandi: How long before prices decrease?
[2017-12-15 02:51] ID=15014 Giszmo: pardon? I'm talking about a potential bug or user error taken for a bug, which would make it a ui error that results in users regularly underpaying on the fee.\n\nI just did some 10 testnet transactions and see no underpaying at all, and only very slight over-paying. 961sat/B instead of 957sat/B. Somewhere in that range.\n\nMy suspicion is it might have to do with the UTXO set.
[2017-12-15 03:06] ID=15015 Rassah: Still, how long?
[2017-12-15 03:15] ID=15016 Rassah: Ugh. I need again spend $28 to CPFP bump a $100 transaction. Can you do something about the CPFP fees so they're not urgent but normal or something?
[2017-12-15 03:16] ID=15017 Rassah: I'm saving $16 buying from Amazon through Purse, and paying $35 to do it...
[2017-12-15 03:45] ID=15018 ysgjay: Has anyone filed a lawsuit vs mycelium yet?
[2017-12-15 03:56] ID=15019 bitcoindude: Has anyone tried the coin exchange with the recent update?
[2017-12-15 07:11] ID=15020 jochemla: Hello, is there a beta testing phase for the new mycelium wallet promoted on the official site? Thanks in advance!
[2017-12-15 07:12] ID=15021 jochemla: Otherwise when will it be available?
[2017-12-15 07:25] ID=15022 RE_ID=15012 KryptoDima: im sure, wallet make wrong calculation about transaction size, because Fee = 0.00049939 BTC - it seems what i see in wallet, but Fee/Kb is wrong
[2017-12-15 09:10] ID=15023 RE_ID=15010 TomyBoy: yeah but not on mobile phone
[2017-12-15 09:10] ID=15024 TomyBoy: i  did it with my pc...
[2017-12-15 10:43] ID=15025 Lekandi: I thought segwit was supposed to help lower prices
[2017-12-15 10:43] ID=15026 Lekandi: Transaction fees
[2017-12-15 11:59] ID=15027 Blue Sky: None
[2017-12-15 12:17] ID=15028 Lekandi: Mycelium work with ledger or just use ledger app?
[2017-12-15 12:23] ID=15029 Lekandi: I have 10 coins and need to save them. All i have
[2017-12-15 12:56] ID=15030 RE_ID=15016 Giszmo: We still have no RBF and CPFP is very limited in its functionality. I would like to add RBF to it, so we can allow any fee and still get it unstuck if the fee was too low. CPFP would also have to consider down-stream and up-stream transactions for fees and potential UTXOs to use to bump. Consider it better than nothing at this point.
[2017-12-15 12:57] ID=15031 RE_ID=15028 Giszmo: Mycelium works with Ledger legacy accounts. No SegWit so far.
[2017-12-15 14:18] ID=15032 Lekandi: 
[2017-12-15 15:28] ID=15033 Rassah: BCash isn't out yet, so no one can use it
[2017-12-15 16:28] ID=15034 Lekandi: I just want cheaper transaction fees. Killing me having to pay a years worth of services in advance on some things just to justify the transfer
[2017-12-15 18:37] ID=15035 dmp1ce: You guys from Mycelium should take a look at this support page. I have been trying to help people for awhile in the comments. https://support.mycelium.com/hc/en-us/articles/207130269
[2017-12-15 19:17] ID=15036 RE_ID=15033 franull: Yes you can. In fact, you can deposit bcash on Bitfinex and send it from Trezor. Just as an example
[2017-12-15 19:17] ID=15037 RE_ID=15033 franull: 
[2017-12-15 19:17] ID=15038 RE_ID=15033 franull: 
[2017-12-15 20:54] ID=15039 Rassah: Oh, that's Bitcoin Cash. This is BCash https://medium.com/@freetrade68/announcing-bcash-8b938329eaeb Are those sites trying to scam people by selling them something else???
[2017-12-15 21:00] ID=15040 AROMACOMPUTERS: Lol\nWhy not
[2017-12-15 21:01] ID=15041 AROMACOMPUTERS: Their buying 1 scam or the other\n😂
[2017-12-15 21:07] ID=15042 Rassah: Well, one is an actual scam, the other I'm not giving up on yet.
[2017-12-15 21:08] ID=15043 Rassah: You know how Bitcoin won't ever go to zero because there are so many people with a lot of resources invested so much in it?
[2017-12-15 21:08] ID=15044 Rassah: It seems the same with Bitcoin Cash now. And it's a lot of the people who were invested in Bitcoin at the beginning.
[2017-12-15 21:09] ID=15045 RE_ID=15042 AROMACOMPUTERS: Lol\nTheir both scams
[2017-12-15 21:09] ID=15046 Rassah: ^ not an argument 😋
[2017-12-15 21:10] ID=15047 AROMACOMPUTERS: Why is 1 fork a scam and not the other
[2017-12-15 21:10] ID=15048 AROMACOMPUTERS: Cause roger did it
[2017-12-15 21:10] ID=15049 AROMACOMPUTERS: Who cares
[2017-12-15 21:10] ID=15050 Rassah: I don't even know if BCash is a fork...
[2017-12-15 21:11] ID=15051 RE_ID=15050 AROMACOMPUTERS: The protocol absolutely changed
[2017-12-15 21:11] ID=15052 RE_ID=15048 Rassah: ??? What do you mean? He's not a developer
[2017-12-15 21:11] ID=15053 RE_ID=15051 Rassah: BCash. Not Bitcoin Cash
[2017-12-15 21:11] ID=15054 Rassah: I am not even sure what BCash is supposed to be when it comes out
[2017-12-15 21:12] ID=15055 Rassah: Some Zcash clone I guess?
[2017-12-15 21:12] ID=15056 RE_ID=15053 AROMACOMPUTERS: Both
[2017-12-15 21:12] ID=15057 AROMACOMPUTERS: Prob done by roger to have something else to call bcash\n😂
[2017-12-15 21:13] ID=15058 Rassah: Roger isn't a dev. He didn't make Bitcoin Cash or this. He just talks about stuff he supports
[2017-12-15 21:13] ID=15059 AROMACOMPUTERS: He funded it
[2017-12-15 21:13] ID=15060 AROMACOMPUTERS: Are you serious right now
[2017-12-15 21:13] ID=15061 Rassah: I think he was supporting S2X until it died, and then switched to BCH after?
[2017-12-15 21:14] ID=15062 Rassah: He's funding it now, sure
[2017-12-15 21:15] ID=15063 AROMACOMPUTERS: Who says 2x died?  It can and is running on same network as core.  Until a block to big is found that 2x validates and core doesnt, we wont know nor care.\nUnlike bcash
[2017-12-15 21:15] ID=15064 Rassah: I don't think anyone is mining S2X blocks. If they were, we would've had one already. Mempool is pretty full, remember?
[2017-12-15 21:16] ID=15065 AROMACOMPUTERS: What we got agreement ln so far at least is segwit, thats a start
[2017-12-15 21:16] ID=15066 RE_ID=15059 Rassah: Want to know about scam coin Roger funded?
[2017-12-15 21:17] ID=15067 RE_ID=15039 franull: That's something you have to discuss with them, not with me. They're not the only ones that trade and accept bcash. You'll have to send messages to cryptonator, cryptopia...\n\nBe ready to work in a lot of letters to them as there are a lot of projects currently accepting bcash.
[2017-12-15 21:17] ID=15068 RE_ID=15066 AROMACOMPUTERS: Bitcoin Cash, bcash, btrash
[2017-12-15 21:17] ID=15069 AROMACOMPUTERS: Zcash, dash, etc
[2017-12-15 21:17] ID=15070 AROMACOMPUTERS: On and on and on and on
[2017-12-15 21:17] ID=15071 Rassah: The one he funded most is BTC.
[2017-12-15 21:18] ID=15072 Rassah: So, guess BTC is tainted
[2017-12-15 21:18] ID=15073 AROMACOMPUTERS: Hopefully he just sells out and goes away\nAll this can stop then
[2017-12-15 21:18] ID=15074 Rassah: He did go away. Into Bitcoin Cash
[2017-12-15 21:20] ID=15075 AROMACOMPUTERS: Lol\nThats fine\nTheres offers on table to buy him out of the rest of his btc\n😂
[2017-12-15 21:50] ID=15076 Rassah: I wonder if all the other whales who moved to BCH got that offer?
[2017-12-15 22:46] ID=15077 RE_ID=15035 Giszmo: Yes, that is a bit outdated with the new dynamic fee options. I sent many people to a reddit write-up I did and maintain but ultimately it would probably make sense to send users to something more community driven like https://bitcoin.stackexchange.com/tags/mycelium-wallet/hot
[2017-12-15 22:50] ID=15079 RE_ID=15078 Rassah: None
[2017-12-15 22:51] ID=15080 RE_ID=15077 Rassah: None
[2017-12-15 23:04] ID=15081 Lekandi: Whats the new convert coins to bitcoin button based on?
[2017-12-15 23:06] ID=15082 Lekandi: Its got no contact info if coins are missing.
[2017-12-15 23:12] ID=15083 RE_ID=15081 franull: https://github.com/mycelium-com/wallet-android/commits/master\n\nBased in the last commits, changelly
[2017-12-15 23:12] ID=15084 RE_ID=15081 Rassah: Changelly
[2017-12-15 23:13] ID=15085 Rassah: Surprised not Shapeshift
[2017-12-15 23:27] ID=15087 Lekandi: Thats cool at least then. I was thinking shapeshift also. Never used changelly
[2017-12-15 23:30] ID=15088 Lekandi: So question. How good is the pin on mycelium to start? I have about 1k used on 5 wallets or so in there and need to leave my phone at samsung shop for warranty screen replacement.
[2017-12-15 23:30] ID=15089 Lekandi: *1k USD
[2017-12-15 23:33] ID=15090 RE_ID=15088 AROMACOMPUTERS: Apparently if thwy have your phone for 1 week youre pwned
[2017-12-15 23:35] ID=15091 RE_ID=15088 jandreske: I would just move the money back to Trezor for while the phone is there? Or delete the App data (obviously being certain to have a working backup) and then restore from backup afterwards.
[2017-12-15 23:35] ID=15092 AROMACOMPUTERS: Is mycelium unencrypted?
[2017-12-15 23:35] ID=15093 AROMACOMPUTERS: Clear text?
[2017-12-15 23:36] ID=15094 Rassah: Yeah
[2017-12-15 23:36] ID=15095 AROMACOMPUTERS: I dont understand how data that was once encrypted by a pin, could be unencrypted without the pin.  By waiting
[2017-12-15 23:36] ID=15096 Rassah: A pin encryption probably won't help much
[2017-12-15 23:39] ID=15097 Lekandi: Hmm guess i could do a restore the spare phone i just bought then delete it. Just seems like alot of hassle. I didnt want to waste money moving those funds with fees as they are now.
[2017-12-15 23:42] ID=15098 RE_ID=15095 AROMACOMPUTERS: Anyone care to explain?\nImo sounds like horseshit
[2017-12-15 23:45] ID=15099 jandreske: The PIN does not encrypt anything. It is just to block access to the app.
[2017-12-15 23:45] ID=15100 RE_ID=15099 AROMACOMPUTERS: Figured\nSo not encryted thn
[2017-12-15 23:46] ID=15101 AROMACOMPUTERS: Just changes file attributes
[2017-12-15 23:46] ID=15102 AROMACOMPUTERS: Thus unsafe on rooted phone
[2017-12-15 23:46] ID=15103 jandreske: The mycelium data on the phone is not protected by encryption, but by the fact that apps cannot access data from other apps on a regular Android system.
[2017-12-15 23:47] ID=15104 jandreske: Yes, dont use mycelium on a rooted phone.
[2017-12-15 23:47] ID=15105 AROMACOMPUTERS: If all that was done to protect was change the attributes from 644 or whatever, to 400.  You nvr were safe
[2017-12-15 23:47] ID=15106 Lekandi: So why not make the app encrypted?
[2017-12-15 23:48] ID=15107 jandreske: The PIN doesnt change storage. It is software level access protection only, afaik.
[2017-12-15 23:49] ID=15108 RE_ID=15106 jandreske: Why invest the developer time? Not necessary on non-rooted phones.
[2017-12-15 23:52] ID=15109 RE_ID=15108 Lekandi: Seems necessary if I'm having my phone serviced....
[2017-12-16 00:21] ID=15110 jandreske: That has nothing to do with encryption imho. If they guess the PIN it doesnt matter.
[2017-12-16 01:58] ID=15111 Giszmo: telephone maintenance personal has a high chance of knowing how to root a phone. Once rooted, they can steal your coins as is and if there was encryption on the key storage, with root they could get around that, too by monitoring the memory for private keys and sending them home as soon as you uncrypt the private keys.
[2017-12-16 01:59] ID=15112 Giszmo: so you better remove all signs of bitcoin from the phone, so they don't bother. As you have a backup (of course you do, right?) you lose nothing by uninstalling all bitcoin apps.
[2017-12-16 02:00] ID=15113 AROMACOMPUTERS: Why do people lock their doors when you can just pick the lock?
[2017-12-16 11:27] ID=15116 Efecanb: None
[2017-12-16 11:30] ID=15117 Efecanb: Hey I have a question: \nHow do I understand from which address I have sent a transaction?
[2017-12-16 11:31] ID=15118 Efecanb: There seems to be different adresses and I am a bit confused. Thanks
[2017-12-16 11:33] ID=15119 jandreske: The concept of a "from" address is not a good one, can lead to problems.
[2017-12-16 11:34] ID=15120 jandreske: For one, a transaction can have multiple inputs.
[2017-12-16 11:35] ID=15121 jandreske: And then people can cause transactions (think withdrawals from exchanges) where the inputs completely unrelated to the person "sending you money".
[2017-12-16 11:37] ID=15122 jandreske: But yeah, when you send a transactions, money from multiple addresses can be used. Those are either addresses where you received transactions from external senders, or addresses where change was sent to internally during previous transactions you made.
[2017-12-16 14:27] ID=15124 abra_xos: Sorry... Is there any way to transfer mycelium tokens to a ledger nano ?
[2017-12-16 14:38] ID=15125 TomyBoy: hey i sent some btc to POLONIEX before an half an hour ago...and on Mycelyum i have got confirmed...but i did not get my coins. they are not received to POLONIEX yet...hmmm why ? i mean how coud it be confirmed before  receiving the coins? what is going on? will i receive my coins? never took so long... with NORMAL method
[2017-12-16 14:39] ID=15126 RE_ID=15111 Lekandi: Didn't even think about this. I just went by Samsung service and they'll do it next week in 3 hours while i wait at least. I have a ledger arriving monday so will just transfer what i need to there
[2017-12-16 14:52] ID=15127 SJ C: anyone kow what to do about btc tx stuck due to fee being too low?
[2017-12-16 15:08] ID=15128 tiagomiller: None
[2017-12-16 15:09] ID=15133 TomyBoy: i am waiting for ages to arrive to POLONIEX
[2017-12-16 15:10] ID=15134 TomyBoy: is it really a  MYCELYUM bug?? WILL I LOST MY MONEY now\n\n?
[2017-12-16 15:14] ID=15137 TomyBoy: hey....i t got arrived
[2017-12-16 15:14] ID=15140 TomyBoy: no problems!
[2017-12-16 15:15] ID=15141 TomyBoy: sorry for disturbing you all
[2017-12-16 16:22] ID=15143 Efecanb: Hi, I have sent a transaction to an account for participating an ico. During the token purchase process, I have to inform them about my wallet address. However there seems to be more than 1 address and mycelium generates a new one for each transaction. Could u please inform me about which address I should tell them?  Thank you!
[2017-12-16 16:30] ID=15144 TomyBoy: 
[2017-12-16 16:31] ID=15145 TomyBoy: why is this happening?
[2017-12-16 16:31] ID=15146 TomyBoy: its already sent
[2017-12-16 16:31] ID=15147 TomyBoy: and confirmed
[2017-12-16 16:32] ID=15148 TomyBoy: but everytime i open Mycelyum wallet it  shows up sending...0 confirm
[2017-12-16 16:36] ID=15150 tiagomiller: Instable guy, but relax... this happening anytime
[2017-12-16 16:41] ID=15151 RE_ID=15150 TomyBoy: okay thanks for the reply
[2017-12-16 17:59] ID=15153 RE_ID=15143 Rassah: There should be one that is listed as Input. Use that one
[2017-12-16 18:00] ID=15154 RE_ID=15147 Rassah: Can you write your posts as single complete sentences instead of 10 individual posts please?
[2017-12-16 18:03] ID=15155 RE_ID=15153 Efecanb: Hey Rassah thank you for the reply, that's what I did in the end.
[2017-12-16 18:04] ID=15156 RE_ID=15154 TomyBoy: yeah i can. next time
[2017-12-16 19:09] ID=15157 Transisto: Look like Mycelium server a lagging, Got a TX with 14 conf that show unconfirmed, was showing as confirmed before I hit refresh...
[2017-12-16 19:11] ID=15158 Transisto: restarted the app, it's fine, odd though
[2017-12-16 19:22] ID=15159 Dagenhauer: None
[2017-12-16 23:20] ID=15183 RE_ID=15157 Giszmo: Not sure if servers were lagging at the time of your comment but I checked now and they were all on the latest block.
[2017-12-16 23:22] ID=15184 Transisto: Yeah was unusual, was confirmed but it's like refreshing fucked it up. Restart fixed it
[2017-12-16 23:41] ID=15186 RE_ID=14804 Maxxsaan: GreenBits
[2017-12-16 23:59] ID=15187 Transisto: @Giszmo Can you aknowledge that one and maybe disable STEEM if you can't support it. https://github.com/mycelium-com/wallet-android/issues/436
[2017-12-17 02:19] ID=15188 Transisto: https://medium.com/@nopara73/zerolink-massive-scale-coinjoin-is-about-to-be-deployed-participate-in-the-final-test-and-earn-6225939d15fb
[2017-12-17 02:19] ID=15189 Transisto: What's Mycelium take on that one?
[2017-12-17 02:33] ID=15190 Rassah: Personally I still wish they would finish CoinShuffle
[2017-12-17 08:42] ID=15191 RE_ID=15190 Lekandi: Same here.
[2017-12-17 13:12] ID=15192 Nathan2175: None
[2017-12-17 14:40] ID=15193 Giszmo: Lightning Network promises onion routing but ZeroLink has a good point int hat this doesn't skip the base layer and fungibility there would be highly benefitial. The biggest problem of coinjoin projects is that the participants have to agree on an amount because only if all receive the same amount, they have a good anonymity set. Joinmarket for example approached this with a maker taker model, where the taker pays the makers to join into whatever he wants to pay. Pay 0.543BTC and get 5 more people to pay with you, so you are one in 5 potential payees. Problem is, these takers don't necessary have a need to pay 0.543BTC anywhere, so they charge for the service and won't pay the transaction fee for the now bigger transaction.\n\nWith Lightning Network, all this changes. When opening a channel, I don't care about the exact amount as long as it's close enough to the desired amount +-20%. The closing transaction might be a bit more difficult to fit into the schema but as long as both parties agree, they can close a channel in steps, too, using parts of the channel funding at a time.\n\nObviously, confidential transactions will make all this orders of magnitude more trivial.
[2017-12-17 15:47] ID=15194 Rassah: There's a privacy issue at the point of opening a channel though. Especially if you end up having to put a lot of inputs together
[2017-12-17 16:02] ID=15195 TheSatMan: Sorry for asking ... but is there still NO updates regarding MT token? 😕
[2017-12-17 16:41] ID=15196 RE_ID=15190 Anomaly: Is that still on the table for development for 2018...or is it not being planned at this time?
[2017-12-17 17:03] ID=15197 Rassah: 🤷‍♀️
[2017-12-17 17:10] ID=15198 RE_ID=15196 Lekandi: I dont think it was even on the table in 2017 lol
[2017-12-17 18:55] ID=15199 Michael Fromchenko: None
[2017-12-17 18:57] ID=15200 Michael Fromchenko: Hello! Does anyone know: if I had some btc on Mycelium during sbtc and bcx fork, and I transfer to an exchange that supports it, will I receive the parallel amount of bcx?
[2017-12-17 19:05] ID=15201 Rassah: Bcx?
[2017-12-17 19:06] ID=15202 Rassah: You can't get the money by transferring it to an exchange. You have to actually import your money into a wallet that supports the other currencies, which is very risky
[2017-12-17 19:10] ID=15203 Michael Fromchenko: Binance for example supports it
[2017-12-17 20:00] ID=15204 thorbjorn: The exchange can only give you the forked currency if it was holding your coins at the time of the fork.
[2017-12-17 21:41] ID=15205 kingbandz: None
[2017-12-17 21:41] ID=15206 kingbandz: Anybody wallet acting up?
[2017-12-17 21:42] ID=15207 kingbandz: I loaded money since about 9am eastern time and I have 46 confirmations but coin is not in my wallet
[2017-12-17 23:51] ID=15208 RE_ID=15207 Giszmo: do you see it as unconfirmed? I checked our servers. If you did press the refresh button some times, it should have shown as confirmed. One of our servers got stuck and is still behind but catching up (I guess).
[2017-12-17 23:52] ID=15209 kingbandz: No it shows as confirmed
[2017-12-18 01:06] ID=15210 Alexandre Garito: None
[2017-12-18 12:33] ID=15211 Яков: Hi if i delite unconfermed transaction in myselium will my btc and rmc will be back and how fast?
[2017-12-18 13:12] ID=15212 RE_ID=15211 ToptunMV: how it can come back? this blockchain!
[2017-12-18 13:12] ID=15213 ToptunMV: 
[2017-12-18 13:29] ID=15214 RE_ID=15212 Яков: So this option in the wallet is for nothing? This why i ask its strange that this option exist i know in blockchain whats done is done
[2017-12-18 13:37] ID=15215 ToptunMV: This option only removes the transaction from your wallet at the time. After restart the wallet transaction will be there again
[2017-12-18 13:41] ID=15216 Яков: Ok now its clear thx
[2017-12-18 13:57] ID=15217 RE_ID=15216 ToptunMV: 👍
[2017-12-18 15:55] ID=15218 RE_ID=15214 Rassah: This option is in case you send a transaction with too low fee and the network rejects it completely. So it's in your wallet, but not the bitcoin network
[2017-12-18 16:23] ID=15219 Lumipori: None
[2017-12-18 16:29] ID=15220 Dashster: None
[2017-12-18 16:30] ID=15221 Lekandi: Just tried to empty a few wallets. In a couple seconds the fees went up 70% and when i hit max send it leaves $1.70 in my wallet
[2017-12-18 18:00] ID=15222 Lekandi: Anyone know if theres a ledger group
[2017-12-18 18:37] ID=15223 Ashishdhiman: None
[2017-12-18 22:23] ID=15224 jochemla: Jonathan Chemla:\nHello, is there a beta testing phase for the new mycelium wallet promoted on the official site? Thanks in advance! When will it be available? Note that I am already a beta tester of the classic mycelium.
[2017-12-19 02:26] ID=15225 ojoni: None
[2017-12-19 05:43] ID=15226 TomyBoy: again...a big delay on transaction.
[2017-12-19 05:44] ID=15227 TomyBoy: 3 hours before  i sent btc to POLONIEX with normal method...and still zero confirmations on blockchain explorer...
[2017-12-19 05:47] ID=15228 Rassah: Massive backlog on the bitcoin network today.
[2017-12-19 07:31] ID=15229 ysgjay: Any update on mycelium token holders?
[2017-12-19 09:46] ID=15230 RE_ID=15218 ShortFatUglyDumb: Ah, ok, thx. I was wondering.
[2017-12-19 09:48] ID=15231 RE_ID=15228 TomyBoy: ohhh sh...
[2017-12-19 11:00] ID=15232 Lekandi: Will Mycelium ever support segwit or should i just move on to samurai wallet for mobile?
[2017-12-19 11:01] ID=15233 Lekandi: These fees on legacy are ridiculous
[2017-12-19 11:12] ID=15234 RE_ID=15232 TomyBoy: samurai wallet?
[2017-12-19 11:12] ID=15235 TomyBoy: still no transactions ....ahh mannn
[2017-12-19 11:13] ID=15236 TomyBoy: the first time  this happening to me this long. what will happen? i  will loose my 100 bucks i sent to POLONIEX or what? will it arrive soon? or my money is gone??
[2017-12-19 11:13] ID=15237 TomyBoy: 100 bucks! for me it is much
[2017-12-19 11:15] ID=15238 TomyBoy: Screenshot (Dec 19, 2017 12:15:43)
[2017-12-19 11:16] ID=15239 TomyBoy: u mean this? this is in development...
[2017-12-19 11:17] ID=15240 arottma: but it works
[2017-12-19 11:18] ID=15241 TomyBoy: soon i will leave Mycelyum....always these transaction problems making me crazy i wanted yesterday to invest my 100 bucks to some altcoins but nooo ...i can't do it cause this transaction stuck!  i think i lost my money... do i ? is this really a blockchain backlog problem...or Mycelyum bug...or poloniex bug? or what?
[2017-12-19 12:24] ID=15242 jandreske: The internet is full with a gazillion explanations and FAQs and whatnot for "why does my transaction not confirm". I guess people are just tired of taking the time to explain the same thing over and over again. Take a moment, google that stuff, will help you in the future as well if you learn how fees work, where you can check mempool status and fee estimations, etc.
[2017-12-19 12:37] ID=15243 RE_ID=15242 TomyBoy: i know . but  i worry  about my "little" money
[2017-12-19 12:38] ID=15244 jandreske: Yeah, so did you research what happens if a transaction does not confirm, and did you check what fee you paid and what the expected confirmation time for that fee is?
[2017-12-19 12:40] ID=15245 RE_ID=15244 TomyBoy: i will. cause here nobody telling nothing...so whats the point of this chat group then if i am all by myself?  \n \n\n?  ? ! ?😕
[2017-12-19 12:42] ID=15246 TomyBoy: i just ask u guys...i dont have time to surf the net whole day...i am work in the factory...so.. that  is why i ask u here.   Thanks if u can answer my question...cause that is the reason why people chat...to discuss things!
[2017-12-19 12:43] ID=15247 TomyBoy: do i have to worry or not.
[2017-12-19 12:43] ID=15248 TomyBoy: thx
[2017-12-19 12:47] ID=15249 TomyBoy: i need real person opinions
[2017-12-19 12:49] ID=15250 jandreske: This is a mycelium group, not a group for explaining how bitcoin works. To type a simple question into google does not take longer than typing it here.\nYou say you have no time but expect others to take time to answer questions which have been answered a lot of times already.\n\nYou did not ask for opinions, but for easy to find information.\n\nShort answer: you do not have to worry about your 100 bucks, but about your state of knowledge and your attitude.
[2017-12-19 12:53] ID=15251 TomyBoy: yeah..  nothing wrong with my attitude... i am a lil nervous. my knowledge..i agree!
[2017-12-19 12:54] ID=15252 TomyBoy: thank you. anyways. peace.
[2017-12-19 15:59] ID=15253 Frankffm17: @Rassah i Hope you are well. Do you know anybody who wants to sell\nMT or an OTC market ?
[2017-12-19 17:36] ID=15254 RE_ID=15224 Giszmo: https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.mycelium.testnetdigitalassets
[2017-12-19 18:37] ID=15255 RE_ID=15228 Giszmo: 20MB backlog above 200sat/B\nhttps://dedi.jochen-hoenicke.de/queue/#30d\nFor +200sat/B that is an ATH.
[2017-12-19 18:39] ID=15256 DoubleYouSee23: Hows segwit integration coming along?
[2017-12-19 18:41] ID=15257 RE_ID=15242 Giszmo: 👍😂
[2017-12-19 18:47] ID=15258 RE_ID=15256 Giszmo: We are not directly working on SegWit currently. We are working on modularization. Once that is done and stable, we can focus on SegWit.\n\nI suppose you are familiar with this github issue:\nhttps://github.com/mycelium-com/wallet-android/issues/379
[2017-12-19 18:51] ID=15259 DoubleYouSee23: Cool, thanks for the response
[2017-12-19 19:08] ID=15260 Alexandre Garito: And after Segwit, you can focus on Lightning :P
[2017-12-19 19:13] ID=15261 RE_ID=15260 Giszmo: As said in the issue, SegWit is not the first step to add LN. (For the network yes but not for a single wallet.) We might launch LN with SegWit or even before general SegWit availability if the LN module uses SegWit (cause it has to) but the other modules don't.
[2017-12-19 19:15] ID=15262 RE_ID=15261 Alexandre Garito: Oh okay cool :)
[2017-12-19 20:54] ID=15263 RE_ID=15260 TomyBoy: 👍
[2017-12-20 08:04] ID=15264 Monica Rose: None
[2017-12-20 08:36] ID=15265 Monica Rose: Hi, is anyone else having problems with Mycelium syncing? I’m getting en error when attempting to refresh. I’ve also had a transfer unconfirmed for almost 2 days now. Recently, as of yesterday morning, I tried to move some btc to localbitcoins marking it as high priority, and it said it was sending at 11:46am at both ends. Suddenly, the transfer ID just vanishes from my mycelium history, but LBC still shows it as receiving. LBC also stated along with it that it should be there within 30 mins, but still isn’t there(over 12 hours later). The amount is still in my mycelium wallet as if I’d never made a transaction. I had a meeting with a local trader already planned, so met up with them regardless of this hiccup and tried to send them the same amount. Mycelium showed it as “sending” only to have it shortly vanish along with the transaction ID yet again. This time, they never received a notification showing any incoming transfers. I’m extremely frustrated, as I really needed to make that trade today, and now it looks as though my entire wallet is just frozen in time. Is there anything at all that I could do to fix these issues? I already tried to push the unconfirmed transfer through by using blockchain.info with the transaction ID/hash rate. Also tried using viabtc’s transaction accelerator as well, but it’s all bogged down..I’m just at a loss now, and am hoping for some guidance.
[2017-12-20 09:34] ID=15266 Lekandi: 
[2017-12-20 09:35] ID=15267 Lekandi: Instead of focusing on what makes btc more usuable and better to people Mycelium chooses to make it a back issue. Mycelium not having segwit will cost alot to move elsewhere
[2017-12-20 12:09] ID=15268 Lekandi: 
[2017-12-20 12:24] ID=15269 RE_ID=15265 Giszmo: We are looking into this. Our servers are not up to date with the latest block and we also have to investigate why they fall behind. At this moment they are between 10 and 11 blocks behind.
[2017-12-20 13:41] ID=15270 Crypt0rel: None
[2017-12-20 13:45] ID=15271 Crypt0rel: Hi! I am trying to make a transaction with RMC from wallet to exchange but it says "coloured coin failed to broadcast transaction "
[2017-12-20 13:46] ID=15272 Crypt0rel: Do you know what it means ?
[2017-12-20 14:50] ID=15273 Joselito: None
[2017-12-20 14:50] ID=15274 Joselito: Hola
[2017-12-20 14:50] ID=15275 Joselito: Tengo Mycelium para iOS y una duda
[2017-12-20 14:50] ID=15276 Joselito: No se como tener mi clave privada
[2017-12-20 17:01] ID=15277 Cme: segwit pretty please with sugar on top
[2017-12-20 18:30] ID=15278 wksantiago: Is Segwit Being worked on to be supported by Mycelium? @Rassah
[2017-12-20 18:32] ID=15279 RE_ID=15258 DoubleYouSee23: @wksantiago
[2017-12-20 18:39] ID=15280 RE_ID=15279 wksantiago: Great thanks for the update
[2017-12-20 19:06] ID=15281 Monica Rose: This is incredibly frustrating. I feel the unfortunate need now to switch wallets. I’ve been using your wallet with zero issues up to this point, but can’t afford to show up empty handed again for a trade like yesterday’s. It was humiliating and infuriating that I couldn’t complete it. We tried for almost two hours troubleshooting and attempting transfers. It made me look like I had no idea what I was doing and left me without being able to access the funds I had right in front of me. The fact that you are so behind in the blockchain, yet refuse to do everything in your power to get your wallet up to speed is incredibly scary, and makes me wonder how many other mycelium transfers/transactions are also in limbo or disappearing into thin air like my (now) last three attempts have. You’ve lost my trust, and I don’t feel like there’s a way to gain it back at this point unless a steadfast attempt and sincere effort is made to assist me with these multiple issues.
[2017-12-20 19:16] ID=15282 RE_ID=15278 Rassah: I wouldn't know. I quit Mycelium in May
[2017-12-20 19:27] ID=15283 wksantiago: Great fan would love to know which new project your are looking.  Cheers
[2017-12-20 20:11] ID=15284 RE_ID=15269 Monica Rose: The trader who I had sent it to is asking me questions now and wondering why he still hasn’t received the btc. Is there any way at all to push this through that I haven’t tried yet? Can you do anything at all on your end? Also, on my LBC account, it’s still showing in the receiving tab that it has incoming btc from when I attempted to send funds to it -from Mycelium- but in my Mycelium wallet, it shows no such transaction and only shows that initial lagging trade as “sending.” Please help!
[2017-12-20 20:17] ID=15285 Monica Rose: I’m nervous to even attempt anymore transfers from Mycelium until this transaction is cleared and the one on LBC actually goes through or stays in Mycelium. I don’t know if that amount is actually going to come out of my wallet now, but need to access and move my other btc from Mycelium, and feel as if it’s all frozen and basically useless at this point. I’m at a loss..
[2017-12-20 20:34] ID=15286 Giszmo: Monica I suppose you are familiar with the exact mechanics of transaction fees, as you say you were using Mycelium since a long time.\nAccording to https://jochen-hoenicke.de/queue/#all\nfees are climbing to new all time highs, so if your transaction didn't confirm yesterday, then it will probably not confirm any time soon.\n\nIf attempts to delete a transaction got you into a state where the wallet was out of sync, then you can always go to the accounts tab and reload the account affected.
[2017-12-20 20:35] ID=15287 Giszmo: The server issue we had, was in fact our top priority while we had it.
[2017-12-20 20:46] ID=15288 Monica Rose: @Giszmo  I did not attempt to delete any transaction, like I said, it vanished all on its own. I did attempt multiple times to sync the account affected yesterday, and every time I tried, it gave me an error and said to try again later. It is supposedly in sync now, but will not allow me to send any btc out and into another wallet- the transfer and transaction ID literally disappear within a minute or so of initiating. This is why I stated previously that everything feels “frozen” and as if I have no control over my wallet. Why is this happening?
[2017-12-20 20:48] ID=15289 Monica Rose: This is also happening whether the miner fee is set to normal or priority.
[2017-12-21 03:55] ID=15290 Giszmo: Monica this sounds very confusing. Can you contact us at [email protected] with more details and maybe screenshots or even a screen video of what is frozen?
[2017-12-21 13:35] ID=15291 davidelkaim: Hi guys, what's happening with mining fees? Normal is around 24usd...
[2017-12-21 14:11] ID=15292 Rassah: Too many people trying to use/invest in bitcoin, not enough space in blocks to accommodate them. A lot have been trying to buy lately
[2017-12-21 14:27] ID=15293 davidelkaim: crazy
[2017-12-21 15:24] ID=15294 User026: None
[2017-12-21 15:45] ID=15295 Crypt0rel: Aurele Barbancon, [Dec 20, 2017, 2:45:46 PM]:\nHi! I am trying to make a transaction with RMC from wallet to exchange but it says "coloured coin failed to broadcast transaction "\n\nDo you know what it means ?
[2017-12-21 15:45] ID=15296 Crypt0rel: @Giszmo ?
[2017-12-21 16:01] ID=15297 User026: Hi, i have a question. I am unfamiliar on how do the hd wallets work, but i think that i might have fucked up. Some time ago, i send dust with one sat fee, and obviously that is not getting confirmed ever. But now i tried to send €200 in bitcoins to my wallet and it hasnt confirmed in 3 days. So my question is, is it because of the network is so flooded or should the earlier send be confirmed first?
[2017-12-21 17:11] ID=15298 RE_ID=15297 zihus: The Bitcoin network is so flooded. You can bump you transaction in the wallet
[2017-12-21 17:12] ID=15299 Giszmo: @Jisokoo please contact [email protected] with details and we can look into it.
[2017-12-21 17:17] ID=15300 Giszmo: Fees are surreal right now. Looking at https://jochen-hoenicke.de/queue/#1w I can't help but agree that our fee estimation is working as designed. Yes, if you want your transaction to confirm any time soon, you will have to add a fee of at least $16 and I am not confident this will get better this year.
[2017-12-21 17:18] ID=15301 RE_ID=15298 User026: In the wallet? Afterwards? What are you talking about?
[2017-12-21 17:20] ID=15302 RE_ID=15301 zihus: In any wallet. The problem is in Bitcoin itself. You can only increase the fee (bump it) to speed up your transaction.
[2017-12-21 17:21] ID=15303 User026: I can't pump up my tx after i've send it
[2017-12-21 17:23] ID=15304 User026: Or are you telling that mycelium has tx accelerator build in it that you can trigger after sending?
[2017-12-21 17:24] ID=15305 User026: Otherwise that wasn't answer to my question
[2017-12-21 17:38] ID=15306 RE_ID=15304 Rassah: Select transaction, from menu above select CPFP
[2017-12-21 18:26] ID=15307 Michael Fromchenko: Will Mycelium support b2x fork?
[2017-12-21 18:32] ID=15308 RE_ID=15306 User026: Thanks!
[2017-12-21 19:23] ID=15309 RE_ID=15307 Rassah: What's that?
[2017-12-21 19:49] ID=15310 RE_ID=15195 Bryan S: There is no news. I re-read the terms and it said the token would be bought if the company is sold or something like that. I believe we funded their development of the wallet and we are just kinda stuck with a shiny token. All of my emails regarding the value of the token are and remain unanswered.
[2017-12-21 22:48] ID=15311 Birame: None
[2017-12-21 22:51] ID=15312 Birame: Hi guys I'm new in crypto and mycelium wallet... I did a transaction, how many time it will take for the confirmation?
[2017-12-21 23:00] ID=15313 RE_ID=15312 Rassah: No one knows 🤷‍♂️ Bitcoin is kinda clogged
[2017-12-21 23:01] ID=15314 Birame: Thanks 😊
[2017-12-21 23:06] ID=15315 Birame: It means that I can use my Bitcoins until confirmation?
[2017-12-21 23:07] ID=15316 Rassah: You can still use your bitcoin before confirmation
[2017-12-21 23:52] ID=15317 Bitcoinpromo: The Revolution is knocking
[2017-12-21 23:52] ID=15318 Bitcoinpromo: Nigeria Experiences Spike in Bitcoin Adoption\nNigeria has witnessed a recent spike in bitcoin adoption, with the P2P markets setting a new record for trading volume thus far during the week of the 16th of December. \nNigeria…\nRead More\nhttps://news.bitcoin.com/nigeria-experience-spike-bitcoin-adoption/?utm_source=Nigeria%20Experiences%20Spike%20in&utm_medium=telegram&utm_campaign=Telegram%20Channel
[2017-12-21 23:53] ID=15319 Rassah: Lots of princes receiving lots of money I see
[2017-12-22 00:26] ID=15320 RE_ID=15319 AROMACOMPUTERS: 😂
[2017-12-22 01:39] ID=15321 Monica Rose: @Giszmo I just sent an email will some screenshots, let me know if you guys can make sense of them and if you need help clarifying the timeline of these events. Thank you.
[2017-12-22 02:00] ID=15322 RE_ID=15319 theultimatum: FINALLY!
[2017-12-22 04:02] ID=15324 RE_ID=15310 TheSatMan: Okay - Thank you ... 10 BTC gone then ...😪
[2017-12-22 04:40] ID=15325 RE_ID=15324 Bryan S: So sorry to hear that Curt. I only bought one. Learned my lesson.\nA site competing with Twitter (less bias sensorship) is preparing to do an investment opp. If the investor returns are going to be in contract, I will put some into it www.gab.ai Nothing is written in stone yet.
[2017-12-22 09:17] ID=15326 RE_ID=15320 chrisguida: +1
[2017-12-22 09:18] ID=15327 His_Sunshine: None
[2017-12-22 09:29] ID=15328 Birame: Hi guys , it is time to sale or buy ?😉
[2017-12-22 10:39] ID=15329 Ohaimark1989: Hodl
[2017-12-22 10:40] ID=15330 Ohaimark1989: When Segwit on mycelium? I have stopped recomending it until segwit
[2017-12-22 10:59] ID=15331 RE_ID=15265 TomyBoy: me too
[2017-12-22 11:00] ID=15332 TomyBoy: almost always this is happening... i am fed up with this.  i regreted  that i was created Mycelyum wallet.... 😞
[2017-12-22 11:01] ID=15333 TomyBoy: they are   not sending my money to exchange... i am really pissed off cause i cannot invest my btc in other coins...
[2017-12-22 11:04] ID=15334 RE_ID=15316 TomyBoy: I can't... cause it's not arrived to it's destination yet....a whole fu...n day gone...and nothing :(
[2017-12-22 11:05] ID=15335 AROMACOMPUTERS: Feedback please!\nI updated these pages some... \n\nBitcoinAdvocacy.org/library/resources/exchanges/\n\nBitcoinAdvocacy.org/library/resources/bitcoin_wallets/
[2017-12-22 11:18] ID=15336 RE_ID=15285 TomyBoy: me too :(
[2017-12-22 12:27] ID=15337 Jeremygram: I keep using Bitcoin as a currency, I keep sending Bitcoin with those high fees. Do you think it's a bad idea?
[2017-12-22 13:34] ID=15338 ImadL: I'd wait for exchanges and blockchain.info to implement SegWit in 2018
[2017-12-22 13:34] ID=15339 ImadL: that should make a significant decrease in fees
[2017-12-22 13:38] ID=15340 TomyBoy: still no money transfer
[2017-12-22 13:38] ID=15341 TomyBoy: a whole day ...
[2017-12-22 17:32] ID=15343 undisc losed: I have an old wallet i want to drain, but it has tons of small input transactions. The network is telling me it would cost me at least 0.12 btc to have it confirm in the next 25 blocks
[2017-12-22 17:34] ID=15344 undisc losed: Guess i will have to wait for the network to cool down, but when will that happen?
[2017-12-22 18:55] ID=15345 RE_ID=15341 Rassah: That's not Mycelium's fault, that's Bitcoin Core's.
[2017-12-22 18:56] ID=15346 RE_ID=15344 Rassah: Yes, wait for cool down. Price is going down, so maybe fewer people will be trying to get in
[2017-12-22 19:17] ID=15347 undisc losed: It's one thing i didn't expect is that old non-deterministic mining addresses would cost 100x more to transfer than HD.
[2017-12-22 19:18] ID=15348 Rassah: They should cost the same, since the deterministic part only happens on your wallet, and the bitcoin network doesn't actually see that
[2017-12-22 19:18] ID=15349 undisc losed: At least once it will be transferred the next tx will be normal price
[2017-12-22 19:22] ID=15350 undisc losed: I mean since my wallet was non deterministic then, i received tons of small tx when the fees were much lower, 0.003 btc x100. So emptying that old wallet is very costly today. Much more than i expected
[2017-12-22 19:25] ID=15351 undisc losed: It was great to get all those small amounts pile up in my wallet then, but in hindsight i should have consolidated them in one tx from time to time
[2017-12-22 19:26] ID=15352 undisc losed: Knowing that fees would grow bigger later
[2017-12-22 19:28] ID=15353 undisc losed: Is there any way i could have that tx included in a block privately or in a community favor, running a full node with a twist or something like that?
[2017-12-22 19:30] ID=15354 undisc losed: I can accept paying like 100$, but 2000$ is hard to accept.
[2017-12-22 19:38] ID=15355 Rassah: Not really.
[2017-12-22 19:38] ID=15356 Rassah: Coinbase has a similar problem. They have about $3.2 million in bitcoin, but it would take closer to $4 million just to spend it
[2017-12-22 19:39] ID=15357 Rassah: Fee optimization, where you try to use as few inputs as possible, only incentivizes that problem. @Giszmo what are your thoughts on this?
[2017-12-22 19:42] ID=15358 Rassah: Right now just to consolidate my main wallet would cost about $2000 in fees alone. It's cheaper just to spend from individual inputs, making the problem worse.
[2017-12-22 20:38] ID=15359 undisc losed: My thoughts exactly, it's becoming a very real obstacle to me also
[2017-12-22 20:39] ID=15360 undisc losed: Is there work that is in progress that I can look at, in hope it gets better
[2017-12-22 20:40] ID=15361 undisc losed: Would layer 2 solutions help, just by making each tx more important and rare, and giving the occasion to clear those things?
[2017-12-22 20:53] ID=15362 theultimatum: @Rassah DM if you have a min
[2017-12-22 23:07] ID=15363 RE_ID=15345 TomyBoy: okay then...
[2017-12-23 00:31] ID=15364 amermb: None
[2017-12-23 06:20] ID=15365 chokaboo: Hi Admin, on mycelium main page the BUY/SELL RMC button been disable or there are setting to activate it?
[2017-12-23 06:23] ID=15366 chokaboo: 
[2017-12-23 07:43] ID=15367 Stanislav: None
[2017-12-23 07:45] ID=15368 Stanislav: Hi, Admin! My wallet reject my payments and want to synchronize my account. How I can do it???
[2017-12-23 11:38] ID=15370 RE_ID=15368 m4rtin1: Delete the tx and broadcast again w higher fees
[2017-12-23 13:36] ID=15371 Яков: 
[2017-12-23 13:37] ID=15372 Яков: Hi, cannot send TX I have 25 usd in HD btc
[2017-12-23 13:42] ID=15373 Яков: I must have BTC on RMC Bitcoins or HD BTC Wallet to send  RMC?
[2017-12-23 16:53] ID=15375 AlexGors: None
[2017-12-23 17:13] ID=15376 tablo21: None
[2017-12-23 19:34] ID=15377 jetsetlukas: None
[2017-12-23 19:34] ID=15378 jetsetlukas: Help!
[2017-12-23 19:34] ID=15379 jetsetlukas: Had bitcoin in my wallet and wanted to sent a transaction! \nIt said “sending” \nThen all the bitcoin disappeared and it doesn’t show any outgoing transactions
[2017-12-23 19:35] ID=15380 jetsetlukas: Been 10 days now!
[2017-12-23 19:35] ID=15381 jetsetlukas: No transaction shows but my wallet is wiped
[2017-12-23 19:35] ID=15382 jetsetlukas: Mycelium doesn’t responses to emails either
[2017-12-23 19:35] ID=15383 jetsetlukas: Pls help anyone
[2017-12-23 19:38] ID=15384 Rassah: Did you receive that bitcoin and the receiving transaction confirmed?\nHave you tried to reload the account from the menu?
[2017-12-23 19:39] ID=15385 jetsetlukas: Yes I received bitcoin to my mycelium wallet ! \nThat transaction is there! (Green) \n\nBut the account is wiped and there’s no outgoing transaction
[2017-12-23 19:39] ID=15386 jetsetlukas: Which menu ?
[2017-12-23 19:40] ID=15387 Rassah: Go to the transaction list, select the account, and select the drop down menu from the top
[2017-12-23 19:41] ID=15388 jetsetlukas: 
[2017-12-23 19:41] ID=15389 jetsetlukas: I don’t see a drop down menu
[2017-12-23 19:42] ID=15390 Rassah: Oh, you're on iPhone. Sorry, I don't know that one at all. I don't think there's support for it either.
[2017-12-23 19:42] ID=15391 jetsetlukas: Lol really?
[2017-12-23 19:42] ID=15392 jetsetlukas: How can I handle this ?
[2017-12-23 19:43] ID=15393 jetsetlukas: Like I said mycelium doesn’t respond in any way through support
[2017-12-23 19:43] ID=15394 Rassah: Maybe one of Mycelium's servers is acting up. If you are on iOS, I wouldn't recommend Mycelium. Airbitz is better.\nAs for this situation, do you still have your 12 word backup?
[2017-12-23 19:43] ID=15395 jetsetlukas: Yes I do
[2017-12-23 19:43] ID=15396 Rassah: Try importing it into another wallet that supports that standard
[2017-12-23 19:44] ID=15397 jetsetlukas: Import what ? And How do I do that ? \n\nThanks for your help btw!
[2017-12-23 19:47] ID=15398 jetsetlukas: Cause it should still be there tbh since it’s not showing any outgoing transaction \nBut the wallet is wiped to 0
[2017-12-23 20:02] ID=15399 RE_ID=15397 Rassah: Your 12 word backup. It's compatible with a lot of other wallets (I think 🤔) Sorry, telegram wasn't sending notifications
[2017-12-23 20:12] ID=15400 jetsetlukas: Really? \nI’ll try that for sure!! \n\nIs there any other way to resolve this ?
[2017-12-23 20:15] ID=15401 Rassah: Not that I know of
[2017-12-23 20:15] ID=15402 Rassah: Wait and see if Mycelium fixes a server issue?
[2017-12-23 20:17] ID=15403 jetsetlukas: I’ll check on that
[2017-12-23 20:17] ID=15404 jetsetlukas: But haven’t seen anything tbh
[2017-12-23 20:17] ID=15405 jetsetlukas: Thanks for your help man
[2017-12-23 20:17] ID=15406 jetsetlukas: But this just sucks lol
[2017-12-23 20:22] ID=15407 Stanislav: Hi! Me need help! When I send payment from my wallet by phone, mycelium reject it and want synchronize with account! How I can do it?
[2017-12-23 20:22] ID=15408 Stanislav: Sorry for my english!)
[2017-12-23 20:35] ID=15409 RE_ID=15396 jetsetlukas: Doesn’t work unfortunately
[2017-12-23 22:27] ID=15410 RE_ID=15409 AROMACOMPUTERS: That's the shitty part of word seeds.  Basically no wallet is compatible with another. Like proprietary keys almost
[2017-12-23 22:40] ID=15411 Rassah: Ours should be compatible with Trezor, Ledger, Keepkey, Coinomi, GreenAddress, and some others.
[2017-12-23 22:41] ID=15412 Rassah: But iOS wallet has some issue that made it a tad different, but I don't remember what it was
[2017-12-24 00:30] ID=15413 jetsetlukas: So my money is basically just gone lol
[2017-12-24 00:48] ID=15414 Rassah: If you have the keys, I don't think so. Are there any transactions that show money leaving?
[2017-12-24 00:48] ID=15415 jetsetlukas: No
[2017-12-24 00:48] ID=15416 jetsetlukas: Just money that came in
[2017-12-24 00:48] ID=15417 jetsetlukas: And then the wallet wiped out
[2017-12-24 00:48] ID=15418 jetsetlukas: Showing no leaving transactions
[2017-12-24 00:59] ID=15419 Rassah: Then the money should still be in your addresses
[2017-12-24 00:59] ID=15420 Rassah: Just have to figure out how to get to it
[2017-12-24 01:00] ID=15421 jetsetlukas: Hm
[2017-12-24 01:01] ID=15422 jetsetlukas: How can I enter the 12 words at those other wallets?
[2017-12-24 01:04] ID=15423 RE_ID=15411 AROMACOMPUTERS: Sortof...\nThe hardware wallets may be useable with mycelium.\nHowever, they use custom seeds as well, that backup the entire hardware wallet, not just a bitcoin seed, but also all the shitcoin they added too.\nSo does coinomi, same deal.\nGreen Address idk nvr used.\nBut airbitz and blockchaininfo seeds are also non compat.\nIs seriously annoying
[2017-12-24 01:08] ID=15424 RE_ID=15423 AROMACOMPUTERS: Its been my opinion for a while, that no wallet company give a shit if their compat with competition, intentionally... trying to become the defacto standard, and everyone is out there on their own... leaving the uers scrambling
[2017-12-24 01:42] ID=15425 RE_ID=15423 Rassah: For Ethereum, maybe. But Cash and Gold are the same seed.
[2017-12-24 01:43] ID=15426 RE_ID=15425 AROMACOMPUTERS: Its a funky custom seed.  The hardware wallets, and coinomi use them
[2017-12-24 01:43] ID=15427 AROMACOMPUTERS: We need a standard imo...
[2017-12-24 01:44] ID=15428 AROMACOMPUTERS: Otherwise youre just going to piss off the user base
[2017-12-24 01:46] ID=15429 RE_ID=15356 Giszmo: !!! source??
[2017-12-24 01:51] ID=15430 RE_ID=15357 Giszmo: This is right. Mycelium always tries to pay as little fee as possible, so if there is a UTXO that serves for your transaction, it uses it, instead of making the user pay more (now) by using 2 UTXOs. This way dust accumulates.\n\nThere are proposals to for example always spend all UTXOs of one address, as by doing so you also improve privacy. Also would it be good to always aim for two inputs, which would be slightly bad for privacy but would fix dust accumulation.\n\nI follow a routine to avoid long living wallets that chain analysis companies can track and that are slower to synchronize, by very regularly emptying accounts (I'm now at "Account 48" or so), so dust doesn't settle in my wallet. I also re-use emptied accounts now, as it has the same privacy effect.
[2017-12-24 01:55] ID=15431 RE_ID=15361 Giszmo: L2 solutions will result in people being more willing to pay high fees for average L1 transactions, as those enable millions of L2 transactions but willingness and pressure to actually pay more, might not coincide if people migrate to L2 faster than we on-board more people. I have great confidence that fees will drop below 100sat/B on L1 in 2018 but I wouldn't make huge bets on it or on any shorter term.
[2017-12-24 01:57] ID=15432 RE_ID=15365 Giszmo: Iit was removed a while ago. I'm not familiar with why it was added and removed and when etc.
[2017-12-24 02:00] ID=15433 RE_ID=15393 Giszmo: Did you write to [email protected]?
[2017-12-24 02:02] ID=15434 RE_ID=15433 jetsetlukas: I did that like 20 times
[2017-12-24 02:02] ID=15435 RE_ID=15429 Rassah: https://twitter.com/HeyRhett/status/944178314809348096
[2017-12-24 02:02] ID=15436 jetsetlukas: Never got any response lol
[2017-12-24 02:02] ID=15437 jetsetlukas: None
[2017-12-24 02:02] ID=15438 jetsetlukas: No help at all lol
[2017-12-24 02:03] ID=15439 RE_ID=15402 Giszmo: there is no server issue we would be aware of. I think it's an issue with the iPhone wallet.
[2017-12-24 02:05] ID=15441 AROMACOMPUTERS: Maybe he is right\nBut that opens pandoras box\nLike, how did they just release the btrash without splitting it
[2017-12-24 02:06] ID=15442 Giszmo: @jetsetlukas well, if you have an issue with the iOS version, then I don't know if we do have support now but I'm afraid we don't. Whenever I get support tickets about iOS to my desk I tell the users this though.
[2017-12-24 02:07] ID=15443 RE_ID=15442 jetsetlukas: So you’re basically saying no one from mycelium will help me get my money from where ever it is ?
[2017-12-24 02:08] ID=15444 RE_ID=15443 AROMACOMPUTERS: Can try using (in a sandbox)  ian coleman bip39/44 to extract the keys.
[2017-12-24 02:09] ID=15445 Giszmo: I can most certainly tell you where it is, if you give me sufficient information about your wallet but other than that, I don't know how the iOS version works but it's provided as is and to our knowledge, the bip39/44 support is flawless, so if it doesn't work, you can recover your funds with your 12 words backup with Mycelium Android or any other wallet that supports this standard.
[2017-12-24 02:10] ID=15446 RE_ID=15445 jetsetlukas: Can I private message you ?
[2017-12-24 02:10] ID=15447 jetsetlukas: Thanks for the help Leo
[2017-12-24 02:11] ID=15448 AROMACOMPUTERS: https://iancoleman.io/bip39/
[2017-12-24 02:15] ID=15449 RE_ID=15410 Giszmo: That's not true. standards are a blessing in this regard and Mycelium is top notch with standard compliance. I used same wallets through different implementations a lot and there are only 2 issues: Electrum's standard gets confused with BIP39 which it is not and Copay had a funny bug that resulted in only 90% of all bip39 wallets being bip39 wallets. Else, easy sailing.
[2017-12-24 02:15] ID=15450 AROMACOMPUTERS: Well ive never succusfully imported a seed from 1 wallet to another, ever
[2017-12-24 02:15] ID=15451 RE_ID=15407 Giszmo: on the accounts tab, select the account with issues, go to the context menu and select "reload account"
[2017-12-24 02:16] ID=15452 AROMACOMPUTERS: I use seeds for the convenience and tools\nBut store in single keys\nI just dont trust it
[2017-12-24 02:19] ID=15453 RE_ID=15449 AROMACOMPUTERS: And mycelium is bip44 isnt it
[2017-12-24 02:20] ID=15454 RE_ID=15448 AROMACOMPUTERS: Using this to derive the keys, ive had to chose the /44 deriviation path.  For mycelium to work.
[2017-12-24 02:21] ID=15455 AROMACOMPUTERS: Which is no compat with bitcoin-qt version, airbitz, blockchaininfo, etc etc\nTheir on bip 39, not 44.
[2017-12-24 02:23] ID=15456 AROMACOMPUTERS: Coinomi is able to spend from backup, using the bip32 root key derived in mycelium, but thats still not the primary backup seed for the wallet.  Thats custom.  And mycelium didnt give me the bip32 root key, only iancolemen has provided that for me.
[2017-12-24 02:27] ID=15457 RE_ID=15439 AROMACOMPUTERS: The assumed issue with the servers, is their out of synch a lot.\nPeople get an error all the time.
[2017-12-24 02:36] ID=15458 Giszmo: it's complicated.
[2017-12-24 02:38] ID=15459 Giszmo: BIP32 is how to create hierarchically deterministic wallets, that based on one extended private key can create arbitrarily many key pairs in a tree structure. take branch 50 and on that branch branch 30 and on that branch branch 714 and use that as a key pair for a bitcoin address with private key. something like that.
[2017-12-24 02:39] ID=15460 Giszmo: BIP39 defines how to securely derive an extended private key from a list of words (12 in the case of mycelium).
[2017-12-24 02:40] ID=15461 Giszmo: BIP44 defines which branch in that BIP32 wallet to use.
[2017-12-24 02:40] ID=15462 AROMACOMPUTERS: I see
[2017-12-24 02:40] ID=15463 Giszmo: Mycelium is compatilble with BIP32/39/44
[2017-12-24 02:40] ID=15464 AROMACOMPUTERS: But their not cross compat with other wallets
[2017-12-24 02:40] ID=15465 AROMACOMPUTERS: Thats what annoys me
[2017-12-24 02:41] ID=15466 AROMACOMPUTERS: Not just you, its the industry of wallets I blame for not being in synch on a standard
[2017-12-24 02:41] ID=15467 Giszmo: But I usually don't advertise BIP32 compatibility as that is implicit and leads to confusion, as some BIP32 wallets use different paths and they mean by BIP32 compatibility, that you can use many addresses with only one backup.
[2017-12-24 02:41] ID=15468 Giszmo: There are reasons.
[2017-12-24 02:41] ID=15469 AROMACOMPUTERS: Yall need a round table
[2017-12-24 02:41] ID=15470 Giszmo: No
[2017-12-24 02:42] ID=15471 Giszmo: Electrum invented HD wallets and BIP32 authors "improved" it.
[2017-12-24 02:42] ID=15472 RE_ID=15471 AROMACOMPUTERS: Better said propriatized it imo
[2017-12-24 02:43] ID=15473 Giszmo: Core thinks that non-hardened derivation paths are dangerous, thus can't use BIP44
[2017-12-24 02:43] ID=15474 Giszmo: And then there is things like the Copay implementation error.
[2017-12-24 02:43] ID=15475 RE_ID=15473 AROMACOMPUTERS: Well for me..  if I am unable to import your key, Into core.  Youre propriatary
[2017-12-24 02:46] ID=15476 Giszmo: But generally you can import Mycelium backups in Copay and Coinomi for example. I just don't recommend to use same backups accross different products or devices. Your smartphone is kind of safe but if there is a 0.1% chance it catches a virus, you don't want to increase this to 0.2% by exposing your priv keys to two devices. Equally with wallet dev teams. They can screw up royally and loose all your keys. You don't want to have to worry about more than one team there. So please use your backup in one place at a time whenever possible.
[2017-12-24 02:47] ID=15477 RE_ID=15475 Giszmo: whatever 😒
[2017-12-24 02:48] ID=15478 AROMACOMPUTERS: Like i said\nYall need a roundtable\nHash this out
[2017-12-24 02:51] ID=15479 Giszmo: There are standards. Just because your product uses mini USB doesn't mean that my micro USB is proprietary. There are many BIPs that Bitcoin Core does not use.
[2017-12-24 02:52] ID=15480 AROMACOMPUTERS: Its just about as annoying as changing the damn usb port again ya.\nEspecialy when 1 of 5 uses the new, and nobody else cares.
[2017-12-24 02:53] ID=15481 AROMACOMPUTERS: And you need a convertor dangling off to use your new phone
[2017-12-24 02:57] ID=15482 Giszmo: How old are you? You seam to not know how every single cellphone had their own charger system even within one brand 😂
[2017-12-24 02:58] ID=15483 AROMACOMPUTERS: Ive had cell phones since mid 1990s
[2017-12-24 02:58] ID=15484 AROMACOMPUTERS: They made a business out of changing the ports.
[2017-12-24 02:59] ID=15485 AROMACOMPUTERS: Every time you get new phone, get new charger, headset, etc..\nIts was extremely annoying
[2017-12-24 03:00] ID=15486 AROMACOMPUTERS: They didnt care... they were filling baskets the size of Montana with cash
[2017-12-24 05:36] ID=15488 RE_ID=15451 Stanislav: How I cen do it in phone ?
[2017-12-24 07:57] ID=15490 Яков: Hi, when i send rmc i got msg: "Cannot send Colored Transaction. Make sure you have btc." I have btc worth 50 usd and transaction cost "Normal" 23 USD???
[2017-12-24 08:20] ID=15492 GalinaPluscheva: None
[2017-12-24 08:21] ID=15493 RE_ID=15488 Stanislav: 
[2017-12-24 08:22] ID=15494 GalinaPluscheva: Hi guys! I have the same situation! Please, help me too with a sending problem!
[2017-12-24 08:22] ID=15495 GalinaPluscheva: 
[2017-12-24 08:31] ID=15496 RE_ID=15450 m4rtin1: It does work
[2017-12-24 18:45] ID=15498 Giszmo: @channel please report likely scammers.
[2017-12-24 18:47] ID=15499 Giszmo: looking at john manzer. no moderator tools on phone? @Rassah ?
[2017-12-24 21:38] ID=15500 BB_Martino: 'likely' - that's a big benefit of doubt there :)
[2017-12-25 02:04] ID=15502 Cryptochrist: None
[2017-12-25 02:04] ID=15503 Cryptochrist: None
[2017-12-26 11:56] ID=15504 Oxana Oil: None
[2017-12-26 11:58] ID=15505 Oxana Oil: Hello, can you help? I sent on my wallet money I received their, but on next day money went on transaction area and now I don’t have money on my wallet. They are disappeared. Thank you
[2017-12-26 11:59] ID=15506 Stanislav: No body answer hear (
[2017-12-26 12:46] ID=15507 RE_ID=15505 zihus: https://bitcoin.stackexchange.com/questions/53852/how-to-unstuck-a-low-fee-transaction-with-blockchain-info
[2017-12-26 20:24] ID=15508 Lekandi: Isnt bitcoin on myceliym supposed to be able to send to segwit wallets?
[2017-12-26 21:17] ID=15509 Lekandi: 
[2017-12-26 21:18] ID=15510 Lekandi: How much of a shit wallet can mycelium be that it can't support sending to segwit? This is unreal
[2017-12-26 21:59] ID=15511 ShortFatUglyDumb: Maybe not Bech32 addresses yet, but P2SH SegWit addresses will work (they start w' 3). u have 2 wait until conf b4 they appear.
[2017-12-26 22:54] ID=15516 df: The founder of McAfee Antivirus tweeted a picture of the MyCelium client. https://twitter.com/officialmcafee/status/945786795769331712
[2017-12-26 23:12] ID=15517 RE_ID=15511 Lekandi: Thanks. Samourai wallet uses those
[2017-12-27 00:18] ID=15518 arottma: None
[2017-12-27 07:41] ID=15519 Mr. T.: None
[2017-12-27 07:41] ID=15520 Mr. T.: Hi, are you supporting the upcoming fork 28th?
[2017-12-27 07:42] ID=15521 Mr. T.: E.g.
[2017-12-27 07:42] ID=15522 Mr. T.: Will i get the new tokens
[2017-12-27 08:14] ID=15523 ImadL: Mycelium = you control your private keys
[2017-12-27 08:14] ID=15524 ImadL: so yes, you will get them
[2017-12-27 08:15] ID=15525 RE_ID=15493 Stanislav: Help me, please)
[2017-12-27 09:00] ID=15526 RE_ID=15525 zihus: You need to reload your account and try again.
[2017-12-27 09:01] ID=15527 Stanislav: How I can do it???
[2017-12-27 09:02] ID=15528 Stanislav: I restart my phone, but it is not help me(
[2017-12-27 09:04] ID=15529 zihus: Choose transaction tab and then Reload in the menu.
[2017-12-27 09:07] ID=15530 Stanislav: Sorry, can you give me a screen where this tab please)
[2017-12-27 09:07] ID=15531 Stanislav: I can't find(
[2017-12-27 09:23] ID=15532 Stanislav: I use mycelium in iPhone
[2017-12-27 17:33] ID=15533 RE_ID=15520 Giszmo: While @ImadL is right in that we will not arbitrarily take the tokens from you, I would not agree on us "supporting" this fork. For one, I have no clue about this fork. If it has no replay protection, then immediate action might be required on your part to not send your whatever-token along with your bitcoins.
[2017-12-27 17:35] ID=15534 Mr. T.: Thanks!
[2017-12-27 17:38] ID=15535 ColoMonster: None
[2017-12-27 17:39] ID=15536 ColoMonster: Need support help
[2017-12-27 17:42] ID=15537 ColoMonster: Android is being funky and put the mycelium app on iPad.... Says my master seed is incorrect which it isn't.... Just to test I made a dummy acct and it worked fine
[2017-12-27 17:47] ID=15538 ColoMonster: Also simplex ripped me off so be careful
[2017-12-27 18:10] ID=15539 ColoMonster: \\nobody from mycelium here?
[2017-12-27 18:17] ID=15540 Giszmo: Colo
[2017-12-27 18:18] ID=15541 Giszmo: if you have issues with simplex, please contact [email protected]
[2017-12-27 18:18] ID=15542 Giszmo: what do you mean by "funky"?
[2017-12-27 18:19] ID=15543 Giszmo: So you have a mnemonic 12 words that work with android but not with iOS?
[2017-12-27 18:28] ID=15544 Rassah: What is the difference between seeds in iOS and Android? I remember there was one, but not what it was
[2017-12-27 18:35] ID=15545 Giszmo: there was a difference in the account xprivs.
[2017-12-27 18:36] ID=15546 Giszmo: on iOS it took m/44'/0'/n'/0 instead of m/44'/0'/n' what all other bip44 wallets would use.
[2017-12-27 18:36] ID=15547 Giszmo: but that was fixed 2 years ago.
[2017-12-27 18:38] ID=15548 Rassah: So it's not a problem anymore? Seems there are still complains about it being incompatible. Ugh, that iOS thing was like a big mistake...
[2017-12-27 20:48] ID=15549 sVGA2k: None
[2017-12-27 20:48] ID=15550 sVGA2k: Hi everyone
[2017-12-27 20:49] ID=15551 sVGA2k: any devs here?
[2017-12-27 20:56] ID=15552 sVGA2k: I wish to discuss (and to solve) global RMC fees problem :)
[2017-12-27 21:22] ID=15553 Rassah: @Giszmo ^
[2017-12-27 21:23] ID=15554 sVGA2k: Thx
[2017-12-27 22:07] ID=15555 RE_ID=15533 Mr. T.: I think it is replay protected. But what kind of action should I undertake?
[2017-12-27 23:52] ID=15556 RE_ID=15555 Giszmo: if not, stop transacting to outside accounts and load your account in a wallet that supports the fork. but be aware of scam wallets. bitcoin gold website prominently linked one.
[2017-12-28 05:56] ID=15560 RE_ID=15558 zihus: It is the safest wallet on the market.
[2017-12-28 05:57] ID=15561 RE_ID=15560 Stanislav: Sorry, but I don't  think so
[2017-12-28 05:59] ID=15562 Stanislav: My wallet produces an error and I can not solve the problem for a week
[2017-12-28 06:00] ID=15563 Stanislav: no one knows what to do and support does not answer
[2017-12-28 08:52] ID=15564 arottma: I heard on ios is not so good.
[2017-12-28 08:57] ID=15565 RE_ID=15563 zihus: iOs has super light version of Mycelium. iOs version upgarde is in pipeline of 2018 (along with new UI/UX)
[2017-12-28 09:43] ID=15566 RE_ID=15565 Stanislav: I hope the update will be at the beginning of the year
[2017-12-28 09:44] ID=15567 Stanislav: and my translations will work
[2017-12-28 09:44] ID=15568 RE_ID=15567 zihus: Translations?
[2017-12-28 09:47] ID=15569 Stanislav: Transactions
[2017-12-28 09:47] ID=15570 Stanislav: )
[2017-12-28 14:15] ID=15571 RE_ID=15548 Giszmo: today on the call, CTO sounded like there is progress to get iOS back on track.
[2017-12-28 14:18] ID=15572 RE_ID=15552 Giszmo: Hi. The problem is understood and has an issue on our issue tracker now but we will not have a short term solution. Problem seams to be that the library that builds the transaction expects an absolute fee as input and then decides how many of the available UTXOs to use. We have ideas how to improve the fees easily but no resources to get it done right away. My guess is that it will take a week to fix from now.
[2017-12-28 17:20] ID=15573 Ilya Bezugly: Hi. Question for admin or whoever can advise please. I had 2 btc  on my Mycelium wallet for IOS when Bitcoin cash fork happened September 1st. How do I claim my free BCH? Any clear instructions you can share please?
[2017-12-28 17:35] ID=15574 RE_ID=15573 Rassah: There are instructions on importing your seed words into Coinomi. You can try searching this channel's history
[2017-12-28 19:03] ID=15575 zihus: One of the next updates of Mycelium will support BCH. You will be able to get and convert your coins easily.
[2017-12-28 19:18] ID=15576 Admiralmin: None
[2017-12-28 20:39] ID=15577 Ilya Bezugly: Thank you.
[2017-12-29 04:36] ID=15578 heyitsmemeixin: None
[2017-12-29 04:37] ID=15579 heyitsmemeixin: Hello. I may have compromised my mycelium wallet. Is it possible to change the master seed ?
[2017-12-29 04:51] ID=15580 RE_ID=15579 AROMACOMPUTERS: Should move it all to a new address immediately.\nBitaddress.org is downloadable to run, and a quick single key / address to move it to.
[2017-12-29 04:55] ID=15581 heyitsmemeixin: Pretty expensive mistake.
[2017-12-29 05:03] ID=15582 Rassah: Well, fix it before it becomes an ugly expensive mistake
[2017-12-29 05:55] ID=15583 Alpha 00: None
[2017-12-29 06:25] ID=15584 ColoMonster: Rassah. Simplex took my money then said made deposit, money came then disappeared.. They told me it was you you told me them in just going to let the CC figure it out before legalbaction
[2017-12-29 06:29] ID=15585 ColoMonster: BTC forks will help combine a super coin called the BITDOLLAR.... All money will be crypto in 10 years.
[2017-12-29 08:29] ID=15586 Nacya: None
[2017-12-29 12:40] ID=15587 Qblu32ooth: Schnorr signatures implementation timetable?
[2017-12-29 13:05] ID=15588 Яков: My Sellium when you send RMC takes 50-60% from commisions thats why transactions stack
[2017-12-29 13:06] ID=15589 Яков: You pay 777 Satoshi but in real it is 300
[2017-12-29 13:06] ID=15590 Яков: 477 My Selium takes , Why not any info about it?
[2017-12-29 13:55] ID=15591 RE_ID=15580 Giszmo: no need for an external key if you only want a single address account. Just create it in Mycelium, do the backup thing, test the backup, move funds there, wipe the wallet, create new wallet, back it up, import single address account.
[2017-12-29 13:56] ID=15592 ColoMonster: It is on I pad I got the android working again
[2017-12-29 13:57] ID=15593 RE_ID=15584 Giszmo: Please, Rassah is no longer part of Mycelium. Please write to [email protected] if you have an issue with a transaction and write to [email protected] if you have an issue with Simplex as a company.
[2017-12-29 13:57] ID=15594 Giszmo: Always include transaction hashes and case numbers at simplex if you have those.
[2017-12-29 14:01] ID=15595 RE_ID=15587 Giszmo: Schnorr signatures are probably more than a year out on the network level. Given the drama SegWit activation was, I doubt it will be less drama to activate Schnorr, despite the clear benefits.
[2017-12-29 14:39] ID=15597 Rassah: If people don't claim Schnorr is an excuse for why we don't need other scaling, it may not create much drama.
[2017-12-29 15:09] ID=15598 dmp1ce: Does anyone here want to buy some Mycelium tokens?
[2017-12-29 16:22] ID=15599 RE_ID=13654 rodomonte: just done, doesnt works since it's zero balance
[2017-12-29 16:22] ID=15600 rodomonte: why hasnt this already been fixed?
[2017-12-29 19:02] ID=15601 Nazih H: None
[2017-12-30 08:05] ID=15604 crypt0tex: Why can't I see funds sent to mycelium wallet but tx on Blockchain (still unconfirmed though) but this should be in transaction history in mycelium
[2017-12-30 08:07] ID=15605 RE_ID=15604 ShortFatUglyDumb: It's probably a SegWit tx --- Myc won't show them until after 1st conf.
[2017-12-30 08:08] ID=15606 ColoMonster: Have .025 at dream confirmed butbnotbdisplayed
[2017-12-30 08:09] ID=15607 RE_ID=15605 crypt0tex: Oh I see \nWhat's the buzz about mycelium lately is there still any active support for this wallet?
[2017-12-30 08:10] ID=15608 RE_ID=15606 crypt0tex: Wow \nNot still in your wallet after confirmation?
[2017-12-30 18:09] ID=15609 L Mc T: None
[2017-12-30 20:57] ID=15610 RE_ID=15607 Rassah: Still lots of developers working on it, what we've been told here in the chat
[2017-12-30 21:09] ID=15611 L Mc T: 
[2017-12-30 21:10] ID=15612 RE_ID=15608 ColoMonster: Yes still not in wallet
[2017-12-30 21:11] ID=15613 L Mc T: Hi I got this message on my iOS iPhone today when I tried to send a tx , it’s been happen all day how can I fix this , thanks
[2017-12-31 10:31] ID=15616 cryptotrader27: None
[2017-12-31 17:36] ID=15617 mlaguia: None
[2018-01-01 07:32] ID=15618 zaephe: None
[2018-01-01 07:38] ID=15619 ShortFatUglyDumb: Welcome, zaephe.
[2018-01-02 02:47] ID=15627 EbriDan: None
[2018-01-02 03:24] ID=15628 Xaveyrynho: None
[2018-01-02 03:25] ID=15629 Xaveyrynho: None
[2018-01-02 11:39] ID=15642 Ivan Hide: None
[2018-01-02 12:19] ID=15643 Andro29: None
[2018-01-02 12:21] ID=15644 Andro29: Halo can help me , how to withdraw from mycelium wallet ?
[2018-01-02 13:28] ID=15645 RE_ID=15644 zihus: What do you mean?
[2018-01-02 13:30] ID=15646 ColoMonster: I cancelled a transaction today after hours of no confirmations, then remedied it from the must like an idiot. Luckily I was transferring wallets. Is my coin gone for good? Or just a week or so?
[2018-01-02 14:02] ID=15647 dmp1ce: How can I get my tokens out of Colu?
[2018-01-02 14:03] ID=15648 dmp1ce: They show a Private Key (Private Seed WIF) and a Encrypted Private Seed
[2018-01-02 14:03] ID=15649 dmp1ce: I imported the Private Key into coinprism but I didn't see my tokens show up.
[2018-01-02 14:17] ID=15650 thorbjorn: Not that I can help you, but I'm curious, why take the tokens out of Colu? I considered sending them over to Mycelium, but I thought they're probably saver at Colu. Not that those tokens are worth anything, but anyway.
[2018-01-02 14:29] ID=15651 dmp1ce: I didn't have enough bitcoin to finance.
[2018-01-02 14:29] ID=15652 dmp1ce: 
[2018-01-02 14:29] ID=15653 dmp1ce: That is the message I get on Colu. I send in some bitcoins and now the bitcoins are not showing up either.
[2018-01-02 14:30] ID=15654 dmp1ce: No response from support so far.
[2018-01-02 14:34] ID=15655 dmp1ce: I think I can get the Mycelium Tokens out if I can import into another colored coins wallet, but so far I haven't been able to figure out how.
[2018-01-02 14:55] ID=15656 dmp1ce: I was able to import the private key from Colu into Mycelium but there is nothing at that address. Nothing shows up in the block explorer for it either.
[2018-01-02 15:08] ID=15657 thorbjorn: Ah, they used to pay for the transactions themselves, but now you have to send Bitcoin to Colu to pay for the transaction fees?
[2018-01-02 15:27] ID=15658 dmp1ce: I don't know how to pay for transaction fees. I sent some bitcoin to the receive address which generates a new address everytime. That may have been a mistake because now no bitcoin is showing up. I still cannot send the tokens.
[2018-01-02 16:19] ID=15659 ColoMonster: Make it the $4.99 option run spv in background... 2 hours tops
[2018-01-02 16:20] ID=15660 ColoMonster: I'm not paying $70+,/hr to run numbers
[2018-01-02 16:29] ID=15661 RE_ID=15658 thorbjorn: My last transaction with Colu was over half a year ago. Back then, there were problems with transactions never confirming and in response they bumped the fees (which they were paying). The bump was from about $0.25 to $2.50.
[2018-01-02 16:30] ID=15662 thorbjorn: By now they'd have to bump them again to $25, but I could understand if they are no longer doing this. I haven't read anything about the current state though.
[2018-01-02 16:30] ID=15663 dmp1ce: That's fine, they should be at least be able to give me the private keys that work.
[2018-01-02 16:30] ID=15664 dmp1ce: Or allow me to pay for the transaction.
[2018-01-02 16:31] ID=15665 thorbjorn: Sure.
[2018-01-02 19:15] ID=15666 Proot: None
[2018-01-02 19:18] ID=15667 Proot: When to expect anything in regards with tokens. Right now mycelium is the worst investment I have been involved
[2018-01-02 19:19] ID=15668 Proot: ?
[2018-01-02 19:27] ID=15669 thorbjorn: Well, if we just look at what has happened since the ICO, we can safely say chances are very slim for that investment to ever pay off. But who knows.
[2018-01-02 21:01] ID=15670 Proot: It is sad if this will turn out to become one of the biggest scams :)
[2018-01-02 21:03] ID=15671 RE_ID=15670 Rassah: Business failure is not a scam. Some businesses just don't succeed (actually like 90% of them). Luckily Mycelium is still going.
[2018-01-02 21:21] ID=15672 Proot: Tell that to people who supported. Lets hope for the best...
[2018-01-02 21:32] ID=15673 thorbjorn: As long as there are no documents showing that it was an actual business failure, it having been a scam remains a possibility.
[2018-01-03 00:11] ID=15674 ColoMonster: Who can help mycelium is sending monetary without me
[2018-01-03 00:11] ID=15675 ColoMonster: 
[2018-01-03 00:11] ID=15676 ColoMonster: HELP PLEASE!!!!
[2018-01-03 00:15] ID=15677 ColoMonster: HELP!!!
[2018-01-03 00:23] ID=15678 RE_ID=15674 Rassah: That transaction just showed up on its own? Is your phone rooted?
[2018-01-03 00:23] ID=15679 ColoMonster: Yes
[2018-01-03 00:23] ID=15680 ColoMonster: It is
[2018-01-03 00:23] ID=15681 ColoMonster: I can unroot
[2018-01-03 00:23] ID=15682 Rassah: Anything you can think of that you installed that may have compromise something?
[2018-01-03 00:23] ID=15683 RE_ID=15681 Rassah: Too late now
[2018-01-03 00:23] ID=15684 ColoMonster: It happened last night but the funds came back
[2018-01-03 00:24] ID=15685 Rassah: Yeah, the transaction fee is way too small
[2018-01-03 00:26] ID=15686 ColoMonster: I have control b over who gets riot access or not
[2018-01-03 00:26] ID=15687 Rassah: I guess assume your phone is compromised and see if you can figure out what app did that.
[2018-01-03 00:26] ID=15688 Rassah: Some rooted app asked for access and may have gotten your keys.
[2018-01-03 00:28] ID=15689 Rassah: In the mean time, I would suggest unrooting your phone, then install some other wallet (like Airbitz for instance), set up a new wallet in that, *MAKE A BACKUP*, then in Mycelium select and delete that transaction, and then send ALL your coint from that Mycelium account to the Airbitz account with a normal fee. Might cost a bit though, but hopefully that transaction will confirm over the theft one
[2018-01-03 00:29] ID=15690 Rassah: That's about $85?
[2018-01-03 00:30] ID=15691 ColoMonster: Yes
[2018-01-03 00:32] ID=15692 ColoMonster: Actually
[2018-01-03 00:32] ID=15693 ColoMonster: Phone wansnt rootes
[2018-01-03 00:32] ID=15694 ColoMonster: Just found out
[2018-01-03 00:33] ID=15695 Rassah: Something stole your keys then
[2018-01-03 00:33] ID=15696 Rassah: The 12 word seed I guess. This is out of your main account, right?
[2018-01-03 00:33] ID=15697 ColoMonster: Ya
[2018-01-03 00:33] ID=15698 ColoMonster: I can cancel thisbtransacrion
[2018-01-03 00:33] ID=15699 ColoMonster: Now
[2018-01-03 00:33] ID=15700 ColoMonster: It won't go throight
[2018-01-03 00:34] ID=15701 Rassah: If it's not confirmed yet, you should still be able to delete it
[2018-01-03 00:34] ID=15702 ColoMonster: 0comfirmations
[2018-01-03 00:34] ID=15703 ColoMonster: 0 comfirmations
[2018-01-03 00:34] ID=15704 Rassah: If you can't, may have to ask someone else for help. That's beyond what I can do
[2018-01-03 00:34] ID=15705 ColoMonster: Than you
[2018-01-03 00:35] ID=15706 Rassah: Luckily that fee is really tiny, but the thief could bump it with a higher one
[2018-01-03 00:35] ID=15707 ColoMonster: Yeah
[2018-01-03 00:35] ID=15708 ColoMonster: They tried yesterday too. I was going to move that coin today
[2018-01-03 00:35] ID=15709 ColoMonster: But thought nothing of it
[2018-01-03 00:40] ID=15710 ColoMonster: I just have to wait for all the coin too return to my mycelium account
[2018-01-03 00:45] ID=15711 ColoMonster: Take the internet off so the transaction can't be made?
[2018-01-03 00:45] ID=15712 ColoMonster: Or is it to late
[2018-01-03 00:45] ID=15713 ColoMonster: I think I caught it early
[2018-01-03 00:55] ID=15714 rodomonte: isn't possible to increase fee slower than this?
[2018-01-03 00:55] ID=15715 rodomonte: 
[2018-01-03 00:55] ID=15716 rodomonte: it's a 10$ tx...
[2018-01-03 00:57] ID=15717 ColoMonster: Simone was stealing my money
[2018-01-03 00:57] ID=15718 RE_ID=15714 Rassah: Check how many inputs your wallet has. If it's just one, you can just send all remaining money to yourself for a lower fee. But if the fee is too low again, it'll just be stuck again
[2018-01-03 00:57] ID=15719 ColoMonster: 
[2018-01-03 00:57] ID=15720 rodomonte: I can spend max 1 dollar, I don't care for time (and it's already 10%), also I will like clarifications on "rejected by the network" status, since this isn't possible as far as I know it, at max they can not mine it, or not doing it for long time...
[2018-01-03 00:58] ID=15721 RE_ID=15711 Rassah: The transaction probably didn't happen from your phone. If someone stole your backup seed, they can make the transaction from their own wallet
[2018-01-03 00:58] ID=15722 RE_ID=15718 rodomonte: just one input
[2018-01-03 00:58] ID=15723 ColoMonster: What's that mean?
[2018-01-03 00:59] ID=15724 ColoMonster: I just deleted the transaction
[2018-01-03 01:00] ID=15725 ColoMonster: How do I send the money back to myself or is it to late?
[2018-01-03 01:00] ID=15726 ColoMonster: I just need to wait another night?
[2018-01-03 01:01] ID=15727 RE_ID=15722 rodomonte: but I don't want to send the money to me, just reasonably increase the fee, or having the raw tx so I can send it via blockchain.info (or having info on that strange tx status, "rejected")
[2018-01-03 01:02] ID=15728 RE_ID=15725 Rassah: There is a transaction floating around on the network that someone else created that is trying to send money to their own account. You have to create another transaction that is sending all your funds to your own DIFFERENT secure account that pays a higher transaction fee than that other transaction. Then, hopefully, a miner will mine your higher fee transaction, sending your money to a more secure wallet, and the thief's transaction will get rejected
[2018-01-03 01:03] ID=15729 RE_ID=15727 Rassah: There are no tools in Mycelium to create that transaction again with a higher fee. By sending it to yourself again with a higher fee, a miner may decide to mine that higher fee transaction, along with the preceeding transaction
[2018-01-03 01:04] ID=15730 ColoMonster: They gave up yesterday
[2018-01-03 01:05] ID=15731 RE_ID=15729 rodomonte: uh, I think I can do it in half a day, why is this so difficult? there is anyway a tool by Peter Todd to do so... I think that actual situation urges this update now
[2018-01-03 01:06] ID=15732 ColoMonster: I need to be told how to do this like a two year old
[2018-01-03 01:07] ID=15733 ColoMonster: 15108862448 ext267 plz
[2018-01-03 01:09] ID=15734 rodomonte: I will create a new raw tx by hand tomorrow and rebrodcast it, but please implement this, also @ColoMonster (of able to read other simultaneous conversation) would find this very useful and stopping this requests, that actually seems the same, I'm sure he will not be the only to benefit
[2018-01-03 01:10] ID=15735 RE_ID=15730 Rassah: No they didn't. If the money came back, it was only because they paid too low transaction fee, and it was rejected by the bitcoin network. They didn't give up, the miners just didn't process the transaction. They can still try to create that transaction with a higher fee, and then the transaction will confirm and your money will be gone
[2018-01-03 01:10] ID=15736 RE_ID=15731 Rassah: Use that tool then. I never really had this issue, so not aware of any tools
[2018-01-03 01:11] ID=15737 rodomonte: I fear this unexpected and fast price increase will bring laziness in developing (ln deploy slowness is good example of that) please be the exception, I really trust you to be good devs
[2018-01-03 01:11] ID=15738 Rassah: I don't work for Mycelium anymore. Just trying to help here
[2018-01-03 01:12] ID=15739 rodomonte: https://github.com/petertodd/replace-by-fee-tools
[2018-01-03 01:12] ID=15740 RE_ID=15738 rodomonte: wow idk that
[2018-01-03 01:15] ID=15741 rodomonte: btw please devs dedicate half a day to implement that really really really easy tool into you android wallet please
[2018-01-03 01:16] ID=15742 rodomonte: also, try to fix the bug that makes it impossible to import rmc token private key since wallet is empty, or this readout awesome wallet will become a joke fast
[2018-01-03 01:17] ID=15743 ColoMonster: OK ummmm that isn't for android is it
[2018-01-03 01:18] ID=15744 ColoMonster: Looks like above my skill level
[2018-01-03 01:23] ID=15745 RE_ID=15744 rodomonte: this is a chat about how to enhance mycelium wallet not Bitcoin related personal errors, btw it's cool if somebody want to help you, feel also free to ask me - I get situation a bit even if I read just last part - but please put personal errors out of chat or it will useless for everybody else
[2018-01-03 01:24] ID=15746 ColoMonster: Oh I'm sorry thanksbforbthe help
[2018-01-03 01:24] ID=15747 rodomonte: np
[2018-01-03 01:24] ID=15748 ColoMonster: This is about mycelium being not so stable
[2018-01-03 01:24] ID=15749 ColoMonster: And ICO ripofffs
[2018-01-03 01:24] ID=15750 rodomonte: ok please, I'm pm you
[2018-01-03 04:53] ID=15751 Sahonda: None
[2018-01-03 04:57] ID=15752 Sahonda: hi! I sent RMC, but transaction Frozen already more 10 days. 1ADzRT9aJ8EwAz6y9pc8v7aK29NfihTmRd
[2018-01-03 05:00] ID=15753 ColoMonster: Did it go back into your wallet?
[2018-01-03 05:00] ID=15754 RE_ID=15753 Sahonda: No
[2018-01-03 05:01] ID=15755 ColoMonster: Pm me
[2018-01-03 05:01] ID=15756 Sahonda: 
[2018-01-03 05:02] ID=15757 Sahonda: pm? what is it?
[2018-01-03 05:02] ID=15758 ColoMonster: Someone tried to help me with this earlier
[2018-01-03 05:03] ID=15759 ColoMonster: 
[2018-01-03 05:03] ID=15760 ColoMonster: Singing tried to take $99 usd
[2018-01-03 05:03] ID=15761 ColoMonster: Someone
[2018-01-03 05:05] ID=15762 ColoMonster: You can scroll up it made no since to me
[2018-01-03 05:05] ID=15763 ColoMonster: Last night my money came back
[2018-01-03 05:08] ID=15764 Sahonda: I have more 10 days, no confirmation.
[2018-01-03 05:09] ID=15765 Sahonda: I can not open the "show details"
[2018-01-03 05:10] ID=15766 Sahonda: 
[2018-01-03 05:11] ID=15767 Sahonda: Error shows
[2018-01-03 05:12] ID=15768 Sahonda: Who should I contact?
[2018-01-03 05:47] ID=15769 W0LFFFF: None
[2018-01-03 07:06] ID=15770 ColoMonster: Transaction history
[2018-01-03 07:06] ID=15771 ColoMonster: 
[2018-01-03 07:07] ID=15772 ColoMonster: I do not know
[2018-01-03 07:07] ID=15773 ColoMonster: You are loosing a dollae
[2018-01-03 07:08] ID=15774 ColoMonster: Go to transactions and click the three dots on the left
[2018-01-03 07:08] ID=15775 ColoMonster: On the right
[2018-01-03 07:08] ID=15776 ColoMonster: And select delete transaction
[2018-01-03 07:08] ID=15777 ColoMonster: Unless you want to send the transaction
[2018-01-03 07:09] ID=15778 ColoMonster: Then use rebroadcast
[2018-01-03 07:09] ID=15779 ColoMonster: I lost $99 USD today
[2018-01-03 07:10] ID=15780 ColoMonster: Not trying to send
[2018-01-03 07:10] ID=15781 ColoMonster: Mycelium is not secure any longer
[2018-01-03 07:11] ID=15782 ColoMonster: Ibcannot help toi
[2018-01-03 07:11] ID=15783 ColoMonster: Ibcame here for help
[2018-01-03 07:11] ID=15784 ColoMonster: And I'm sick of bitcoin
[2018-01-03 07:12] ID=15785 ColoMonster: Like super sick
[2018-01-03 07:12] ID=15786 ColoMonster: Of bitcoin
[2018-01-03 07:57] ID=15787 Eden Saar: None
[2018-01-03 07:58] ID=15788 Eden Saar: Where can i connect with "mycelium support"
[2018-01-03 07:58] ID=15789 Eden Saar: ?
[2018-01-03 07:58] ID=15790 ColoMonster: They are here during morning hours pct
[2018-01-03 07:59] ID=15791 Eden Saar: Thx
[2018-01-03 08:00] ID=15792 ColoMonster: Ya man the money will go into your account tomorrow
[2018-01-03 08:00] ID=15793 ColoMonster: Its only been 10 hoirs
[2018-01-03 08:01] ID=15794 Eden Saar: What time now in your state?
[2018-01-03 08:01] ID=15795 ColoMonster: . I'm in California
[2018-01-03 08:01] ID=15796 ColoMonster: Pst
[2018-01-03 08:02] ID=15797 ColoMonster: 3hr behind nyc
[2018-01-03 08:02] ID=15798 ColoMonster: Midnight now
[2018-01-03 15:05] ID=15800 Giszmo: Generally, if your wallet is compromised in a way you understand it (cleaning lady might have taken a photo of your 12 words backup), act fast but not too fast.\n\n1. make sure you have a backup\n\n2. wipe your wallet data (or uninstall and install again)\n\n3. create a new wallet\n\n4. make a backup\n\n5. use cold wallet feature to send from your old compromised wallet backup to your new wallet
[2018-01-03 15:08] ID=15801 Giszmo: our support can be reached via [email protected]
[2018-01-03 15:25] ID=15802 Falderon: None
[2018-01-03 15:25] ID=15803 Falderon: Hello dear admin LEO !
[2018-01-03 15:28] ID=15804 Falderon: I have a big problem with my mycelium wallet
[2018-01-03 15:28] ID=15805 Falderon: Somebody can help me ?
[2018-01-03 15:31] ID=15806 Falderon: Is this mail adress official of mycelium wallet or scam ? [email protected]
[2018-01-03 15:52] ID=15807 ColoMonster: Hi
[2018-01-03 15:56] ID=15808 RE_ID=15807 Falderon: Hy
[2018-01-03 15:57] ID=15809 ColoMonster: What happened? I am having problems too
[2018-01-03 15:57] ID=15810 ColoMonster: Scam I think look up
[2018-01-03 15:58] ID=15811 Falderon: I lost my phone and my master seed but i have private key (xprv)
[2018-01-03 15:58] ID=15812 Falderon: Also public key i have
[2018-01-03 15:58] ID=15813 ColoMonster: Talk to leo
[2018-01-03 15:58] ID=15814 ColoMonster: [email protected]
[2018-01-03 15:58] ID=15815 Falderon: Mr. LEO is not on line😞
[2018-01-03 15:59] ID=15816 ColoMonster: At least you still have you're money
[2018-01-03 15:59] ID=15817 ColoMonster: Safe in a Walter
[2018-01-03 15:59] ID=15818 Falderon: I send a lot of mail to mycelium suport but.....NO ANSWER
[2018-01-03 15:59] ID=15819 ColoMonster: Wallet
[2018-01-03 15:59] ID=15820 Falderon: Yes ! My money is stil there !
[2018-01-03 16:00] ID=15821 ColoMonster: Mine is stolen and have to wait a week for the block chain to forget about it
[2018-01-03 16:01] ID=15822 Falderon: Same problem at was with coinomi wallet, but they help me in 10 minutes wallet was recover
[2018-01-03 16:02] ID=15823 ColoMonster: Yeah mycelium is slipping
[2018-01-03 16:02] ID=15824 Falderon: No no no ! Bitcoin is not stolen !  My phone was stolen
[2018-01-03 16:03] ID=15825 RE_ID=15811 DanielWeigl: If you have your xprv key you can restore the one account linked to it - just go to "Accounts"->"Key+"-Symbol -> "Advanced", then either scan the qr code of the xpriv or use the clipoard if you have it in textform
[2018-01-03 16:03] ID=15826 RE_ID=15823 Falderon: I hope so NO ☺️
[2018-01-03 16:03] ID=15827 RE_ID=15825 Falderon: I allready do this !
[2018-01-03 16:03] ID=15828 Falderon: But i have no spendable option
[2018-01-03 16:04] ID=15830 DanielWeigl: @ColoMonster please no begging, and  try to stay on topic - thx
[2018-01-03 16:05] ID=15833 DanielWeigl: how/when did you export the xpriv key? did you have more than one account in your old wallet?
[2018-01-03 16:05] ID=15834 ColoMonster: I was not serious v of course
[2018-01-03 16:05] ID=15835 ColoMonster: Lost his phone
[2018-01-03 16:05] ID=15836 RE_ID=15828 Rassah: If there's no spendable option, it may be an xpub
[2018-01-03 16:05] ID=15837 RE_ID=15833 Falderon: Xprv was exported 1 year ago
[2018-01-03 16:06] ID=15838 DanielWeigl: ah, good point - does the key start with "xpriv..." or "xpub..."
[2018-01-03 16:06] ID=15839 Falderon: My phone was stoled 6 days ago in amsterdam
[2018-01-03 16:06] ID=15840 DanielWeigl: does it show empty (ie. zero balance) or does it show a balance and the sending button is missing?
[2018-01-03 16:06] ID=15841 Falderon: I have XPRV AND XPUB
[2018-01-03 16:06] ID=15842 DanielWeigl: remove the account and scan the XPRV again
[2018-01-03 16:06] ID=15843 Falderon: No no no balance is not 0
[2018-01-03 16:07] ID=15844 Falderon: Is all my btc there
[2018-01-03 16:07] ID=15845 DanielWeigl: maybe you scanned the xpub before, than it gets added as read-only. importing the xpriv does not change this afterwards
[2018-01-03 16:07] ID=15846 Falderon: I do this a lot of time but I DONT HAVE OPTION TO SPEND BTC FROM XPRv
[2018-01-03 16:08] ID=15847 DanielWeigl: delete the imported accoun, scan the xpriv
[2018-01-03 16:10] ID=15848 ColoMonster: I wish my problem was as simple! Good luck Traian
[2018-01-03 16:10] ID=15849 Falderon: 
[2018-01-03 16:11] ID=15850 Falderon: See the problem...
[2018-01-03 16:11] ID=15851 ColoMonster: That sucks
[2018-01-03 16:12] ID=15852 Falderon: Account 1 is 0 btc spendable bud my btc is steal there !
[2018-01-03 16:12] ID=15853 Falderon: But is not spendable !
[2018-01-03 16:13] ID=15854 DanielWeigl: how do you know? it shows a balance of "0"...
[2018-01-03 16:13] ID=15855 Falderon: Yes but btc is there !
[2018-01-03 16:14] ID=15856 Falderon: Balance is 0 because is not spendalbe
[2018-01-03 16:14] ID=15857 DanielWeigl: try to scan your xPUB here:https://mycelium-com.github.io/masterscan/?net=prodnet
[2018-01-03 16:15] ID=15858 DanielWeigl: if that shows any unspent outputs (ie. a balance > 0) please report a bug including the xpub to [email protected]
[2018-01-03 16:16] ID=15859 Falderon: Thank you daniel !😘😘😘
[2018-01-03 16:17] ID=15860 Falderon: All my btc is in that private key !
[2018-01-03 16:17] ID=15861 RE_ID=15856 Rassah: If balance is 0, your BTC is not there
[2018-01-03 16:18] ID=15862 Falderon: Exist a posibility to recover MASTER SEED  with XPRV KEY ?
[2018-01-03 16:18] ID=15863 DanielWeigl: no
[2018-01-03 16:18] ID=15864 RE_ID=15861 Falderon: No no balance in not 0
[2018-01-03 16:18] ID=15865 DanielWeigl: so just to understand: the masterscan tool shows a balance, but importing the same key into mycelium does not?
[2018-01-03 16:19] ID=15866 Falderon: Yess !😕
[2018-01-03 16:20] ID=15867 Falderon: Same problem i havet with coinomi wallet but not with btc balance only eth and ltc and dash
[2018-01-03 16:20] ID=15868 Falderon: Coinomi support help me
[2018-01-03 16:21] ID=15869 Rassah: Any transactions leaving your wallet? Or are there no transactions at all?
[2018-01-03 16:21] ID=15870 Falderon: In 10/15 minutes i have restored coinomi wallet
[2018-01-03 16:22] ID=15872 Rassah: Can you answer if you have any transactions, or if there is nothing at all there?
[2018-01-03 16:22] ID=15873 Rassah: Fyi, Daniel doesn't work for Mycelium either
[2018-01-03 16:28] ID=15874 DanielWeigl: okay, so is it resolved for you - the balance on masterscann tool is correct?
[2018-01-03 16:31] ID=15875 RE_ID=15874 Falderon: Yes !
[2018-01-03 16:49] ID=15876 ColoMonster: Thumbs up
[2018-01-03 16:50] ID=15877 ColoMonster: How do o check of something is confirmed or not
[2018-01-03 16:50] ID=15878 ColoMonster: 
[2018-01-03 16:50] ID=15879 ColoMonster: Someone tried to steal my wallet yesterday and I want to know if there are any conformations
[2018-01-03 16:52] ID=15880 Rassah: Your wallet says if there are confirmations
[2018-01-03 16:53] ID=15881 ColoMonster: I deleted it
[2018-01-03 16:53] ID=15882 ColoMonster: From the list
[2018-01-03 16:53] ID=15883 ColoMonster: Would it pop back up?
[2018-01-03 16:55] ID=15884 ColoMonster: Could I punch some of those numbers into block chain or something?
[2018-01-03 16:55] ID=15885 Rassah: If you deleted it, then send it to a safe wallet asap
[2018-01-03 16:56] ID=15886 RE_ID=15884 Rassah: Yes, the Hash one, no spaces
[2018-01-03 16:56] ID=15887 Rassah: That's your transaction id
[2018-01-03 16:59] ID=15888 ColoMonster: Yes
[2018-01-03 16:59] ID=15889 ColoMonster: OK
[2018-01-03 17:04] ID=15890 ColoMonster: 
[2018-01-03 17:05] ID=15891 ColoMonster: Anything I can do with that?
[2018-01-03 17:06] ID=15892 ColoMonster: Last time it timed out and my money came back but I don't know how long that took
[2018-01-03 17:14] ID=15893 thorbjorn: WIth that fee it will likely just time out again. But if somebody is generating transactions and it's not you, what are you waiting for? The only way to secure those funds then is to send them yourself to a new wallet.
[2018-01-03 17:14] ID=15894 ColoMonster: How do I do that!?
[2018-01-03 17:14] ID=15895 ColoMonster: They are not in my wqllet
[2018-01-03 17:15] ID=15896 ColoMonster: How long dies it take to time out?
[2018-01-03 17:30] ID=15897 ColoMonster: I got a new wallet
[2018-01-03 17:30] ID=15898 ColoMonster: But don't know how to transfer
[2018-01-03 17:31] ID=15899 ColoMonster: Someone gave me thus
[2018-01-03 17:31] ID=15900 ColoMonster: https://github.com/petertodd/replace-by-fee-tools
[2018-01-03 17:31] ID=15901 ColoMonster: But It is Greek to me
[2018-01-03 17:40] ID=15902 RE_ID=15893 ColoMonster: Can you help me do that?
[2018-01-03 18:07] ID=15903 Rassah: If the transaction is not in your Mycelium wallet, like I told you already, get a different wallet and MOVE ALL YOUR MONEY
[2018-01-03 18:08] ID=15904 ColoMonster: There is no money
[2018-01-03 18:08] ID=15905 ColoMonster: In the wallet
[2018-01-03 18:08] ID=15906 ColoMonster: I got a new wallet
[2018-01-03 18:09] ID=15907 ColoMonster: I'm trying to import priv key
[2018-01-03 18:09] ID=15908 Rassah: There's no money in Mycelium wallet?
[2018-01-03 18:09] ID=15909 ColoMonster: Not at the moment
[2018-01-03 18:09] ID=15910 ColoMonster: Its in the air
[2018-01-03 18:09] ID=15911 ColoMonster: It dissapears when someone took it all
[2018-01-03 18:10] ID=15912 ColoMonster: But there are still no confirmations
[2018-01-03 18:10] ID=15913 ColoMonster: 
[2018-01-03 18:22] ID=15914 Rassah: I thought you could delete that unconfirmed transaction
[2018-01-03 18:24] ID=15915 ColoMonster: Nope
[2018-01-03 18:24] ID=15916 ColoMonster: I removed it from my list
[2018-01-03 18:25] ID=15917 Rassah: And it's back?
[2018-01-03 18:25] ID=15918 ColoMonster: No
[2018-01-03 18:25] ID=15919 Rassah: So the transaction is not in your wallet, but your wallet says you have no money?
[2018-01-03 18:25] ID=15920 ColoMonster: Yup
[2018-01-03 18:25] ID=15921 ColoMonster: It went red
[2018-01-03 18:25] ID=15922 ColoMonster: Then disappeared
[2018-01-03 18:25] ID=15923 Rassah: I don't know what that means
[2018-01-03 18:26] ID=15924 ColoMonster: And I deleted it from the transaction list
[2018-01-03 18:26] ID=15925 ColoMonster: It means my wallet is empty
[2018-01-03 18:26] ID=15926 ColoMonster: 
[2018-01-03 18:26] ID=15927 ColoMonster: Money is there
[2018-01-03 18:27] ID=15928 Rassah: What's on your wallet itself?
[2018-01-03 18:28] ID=15929 ColoMonster: 
[2018-01-03 18:28] ID=15930 ColoMonster: 
[2018-01-03 18:29] ID=15931 ColoMonster: It would be on top but I removed it
[2018-01-03 18:29] ID=15932 ColoMonster: Thinking stupidly it would help
[2018-01-03 18:29] ID=15933 ColoMonster: 
[2018-01-03 18:29] ID=15934 ColoMonster: That's the info from it
[2018-01-03 18:33] ID=15935 ColoMonster: I think I just have to wait 72 more hours keep an eye on it
[2018-01-03 18:34] ID=15936 ColoMonster: Because my barcode scanner wing open on electron
[2018-01-03 18:34] ID=15937 ColoMonster: And I don't understand how to offer a higher fee with no coin
[2018-01-03 18:35] ID=15938 ColoMonster: I know one thing, I'm fine with mycelium after this
[2018-01-03 18:35] ID=15939 ColoMonster: I've used then since 2012
[2018-01-03 18:56] ID=15940 Rassah: If your wallet says you don't have any money even after you remove the transaction, either there's a bug, or the money is already gone...
[2018-01-03 18:56] ID=15941 ColoMonster: It is a big
[2018-01-03 18:56] ID=15942 ColoMonster: Bug
[2018-01-03 18:56] ID=15943 ColoMonster: It happened Saturday
[2018-01-03 18:56] ID=15944 ColoMonster: And money came back yesterday
[2018-01-03 18:56] ID=15945 Rassah: What happens if you reload your account?
[2018-01-03 18:57] ID=15946 ColoMonster: Then got taken out
[2018-01-03 18:57] ID=15947 ColoMonster: I'm not going to try
[2018-01-03 18:57] ID=15948 ColoMonster: I'm not wading another dime on mycelium
[2018-01-03 20:34] ID=15949 Eden Saar: I have the same problam. @ColoMonster
[2018-01-03 20:34] ID=15950 ColoMonster: Seems no solution
[2018-01-03 20:34] ID=15951 ColoMonster: When it Congress back in a couple days im moving it to coinbase
[2018-01-03 20:35] ID=15952 ColoMonster: Or blockchain
[2018-01-03 20:35] ID=15953 ColoMonster: Died your wallet go empty then reappear
[2018-01-03 20:35] ID=15954 ColoMonster: Then go empty?
[2018-01-03 20:35] ID=15955 Eden Saar: Is there have here someone from the support?
[2018-01-03 20:35] ID=15956 ColoMonster: They tried
[2018-01-03 20:36] ID=15957 ColoMonster: They can't help
[2018-01-03 20:36] ID=15958 ColoMonster: Here is your best bethttps://github.com/petertodd/replace-by-fee-tools
[2018-01-03 20:37] ID=15959 ColoMonster: But in not a programmer
[2018-01-03 20:37] ID=15960 ColoMonster: And it is foreign to me
[2018-01-03 20:37] ID=15961 ColoMonster: Plus my wallet is empty
[2018-01-03 20:37] ID=15962 ColoMonster: If you figure out out lmk
[2018-01-03 20:39] ID=15963 Eden Saar: If you see your wallet empty.\nyou have to delete the wallet and download again.
[2018-01-03 20:40] ID=15964 Eden Saar: Buy its still be in tranasction
[2018-01-03 20:40] ID=15965 ColoMonster: ?????
[2018-01-03 20:40] ID=15966 ColoMonster: While in transaction????
[2018-01-03 20:40] ID=15967 Eden Saar: Yes
[2018-01-03 20:41] ID=15968 ColoMonster: Orbs unauthorized transaction
[2018-01-03 20:41] ID=15969 Eden Saar: Listen !! Ist work now!!
[2018-01-03 20:41] ID=15970 ColoMonster: I'm hoping it will show empty for ,72hr
[2018-01-03 20:41] ID=15971 Eden Saar: Its*
[2018-01-03 20:42] ID=15972 ColoMonster: Your money is back?
[2018-01-03 20:42] ID=15973 ColoMonster: Not in transaction?
[2018-01-03 20:42] ID=15974 Eden Saar: Yes.
[2018-01-03 20:42] ID=15975 ColoMonster: Is your money red?
[2018-01-03 20:44] ID=15976 ColoMonster: Is it red?
[2018-01-03 20:44] ID=15977 ColoMonster: I'll lookb on other phone
[2018-01-03 20:48] ID=15978 Eden Saar: I got out of my brother's cell phone and canceled the transfer. Then I went through my cell phone and showed me that the transfer had been canceled. Do not know how it happened but worked.
[2018-01-03 20:48] ID=15979 ColoMonster: In mycelium?
[2018-01-03 20:49] ID=15980 ColoMonster: And your money is white not red?
[2018-01-03 20:51] ID=15981 Eden Saar: Its back again to transaction. 😡
[2018-01-03 20:51] ID=15982 Eden Saar: Many bugs.
[2018-01-03 20:52] ID=15983 ColoMonster: Ya.... Something is wrong
[2018-01-03 20:52] ID=15984 ColoMonster: Take a screenshot
[2018-01-03 20:52] ID=15985 ColoMonster: Of your wallet
[2018-01-03 20:52] ID=15986 ColoMonster: 
[2018-01-03 20:52] ID=15987 ColoMonster: 
[2018-01-03 20:52] ID=15988 ColoMonster: Like that
[2018-01-03 20:52] ID=15989 ColoMonster: Send to
[2018-01-03 20:53] ID=15990 ColoMonster: Supports mycelium.com
[2018-01-03 20:53] ID=15991 ColoMonster: Take the first screenshot before removing from cue
[2018-01-03 20:54] ID=15992 ColoMonster: And post the info here so I can compare to mine
[2018-01-03 21:40] ID=15993 RE_ID=15955 Rassah: I think usually you're supposed to email support
[2018-01-03 21:41] ID=15994 ColoMonster: [email protected]
[2018-01-03 21:41] ID=15995 ColoMonster: He is having same problem as me
[2018-01-03 21:41] ID=15996 RE_ID=15981 Rassah: The transaction is not in your phone. All bitcoin transactions are out on the bitcoin network. Your phone just reflects what's on the network right now, so if you delete a transaction in your wallet, and synchronize it again, it'll just download all the missing transactions again
[2018-01-03 21:42] ID=15997 RE_ID=15995 Rassah: Your problem is that your wallet seems to have no money at all
[2018-01-03 21:44] ID=15998 ethbitsMarketingPR: Ant news on MT tokens?
[2018-01-03 21:56] ID=15999 ColoMonster: He had money, it disappeared
[2018-01-03 21:57] ID=16000 ColoMonster: Mine will return after 72 hours I'm convinced its a bug
[2018-01-03 22:12] ID=16001 RE_ID=15926 Rassah: If you still see the transaction here, nobody is going to return it for you. It's on the network
[2018-01-03 22:13] ID=16002 ColoMonster: Mine came back
[2018-01-03 22:13] ID=16003 ColoMonster: After 72 hrs
[2018-01-03 22:13] ID=16004 ColoMonster: This is the second time it happened
[2018-01-03 22:14] ID=16005 ColoMonster: I don't know how to get it back I tried all night ask day so I gave up
[2018-01-03 22:14] ID=16006 ColoMonster: And swore off mycelium
[2018-01-03 22:14] ID=16007 thorbjorn: LOL, it's like his twin brother joined in.
[2018-01-03 22:14] ID=16008 RE_ID=16003 Rassah: Maybe Mycelium servers just reject it after 72 hours, but that doesn't change that the transaction is out there, and apparently someone stole your account access keys
[2018-01-03 22:15] ID=16009 thorbjorn: Can't tell if stupid, trying to be funny or trolling.
[2018-01-03 22:15] ID=16010 ColoMonster: I'm dead serious
[2018-01-03 22:15] ID=16011 thorbjorn: You would say.
[2018-01-03 22:16] ID=16012 ColoMonster: Whatever man I asked for help someone have me a helpful link
[2018-01-03 22:16] ID=16013 RE_ID=16005 Rassah: I told you. You have to clear the last transaction, and send all your money to another wallet. If your wallet says you have no money, then chances are you have no money
[2018-01-03 22:16] ID=16014 RE_ID=16012 Rassah: That link wasn't even for you
[2018-01-03 22:16] ID=16015 ColoMonster: Ohh
[2018-01-03 22:17] ID=16016 ColoMonster: Oh well if its gone
[2018-01-03 22:17] ID=16017 ColoMonster: Its gone
[2018-01-03 22:17] ID=16018 Rassah: Pietrod was just saying what he used to create a raw transaction to fix his in issue
[2018-01-03 22:17] ID=16019 ColoMonster: I see
[2018-01-03 22:18] ID=16020 ColoMonster: Thanks for the luck I'm going to go now
[2018-01-03 22:18] ID=16021 ColoMonster: I don't like thinking about this for another hour after spending 14+hrs on it
[2018-01-03 23:42] ID=16022 iircaz55: whats going on with MT tokens? why just dont do like eidoo? like swipe the tokens or so?
[2018-01-03 23:43] ID=16023 adamvp: haha forget
[2018-01-03 23:43] ID=16024 adamvp: I had asked some time ago and answer was I am rude or so
[2018-01-03 23:44] ID=16025 iircaz55: lol.. sick
[2018-01-03 23:44] ID=16026 iircaz55: unbelieveble
[2018-01-03 23:44] ID=16027 iircaz55: even mcafee is using mycelium, why they doing it this way? dont get it..
[2018-01-03 23:51] ID=16028 adamvp: maybe we should..
[2018-01-03 23:51] ID=16029 adamvp: TALK with McAfee
[2018-01-03 23:54] ID=16030 iircaz55: ^^ 5000+ btc gone, why are people not complaining? we should do a mass report or so
[2018-01-03 23:59] ID=16031 adamvp: pecause people are people
[2018-01-04 00:15] ID=16032 ColoMonster: Unless Donald trump lost ,5k coin
[2018-01-04 00:16] ID=16033 RE_ID=16030 Rassah: Where did they go?
[2018-01-04 00:16] ID=16034 ColoMonster: Thin air apparently. Can't we track these things
[2018-01-04 00:17] ID=16035 Rassah: I'm guessing some went to pay developer salaries.
[2018-01-04 00:52] ID=16036 ColoMonster: Well the 12 word checksum doesn't add up on my other android. It only works on this phone
[2018-01-04 00:52] ID=16037 ColoMonster: Like I said I give up
[2018-01-04 00:53] ID=16039 ColoMonster: Oh I forgot my pin so I can't crate backup's
[2018-01-04 06:29] ID=16046 deadkabras: None
[2018-01-04 15:37] ID=16047 RE_ID=15958 Giszmo: RBF only works if you tagged the original transaction replaceable which Mycelium does not do. You can't replace it. (Miners could, if you convinced them that the transaction was illegitimate but that would be a huge precedence that miners will not make easily. On the other hand there are miners that allow replacing without RBF tag but normal full nodes won't relay your conflicting transaction to them, so you would have to figure that out.)
[2018-01-04 15:38] ID=16048 RE_ID=15963 Giszmo: Reloading the account is as good as deleting your wallet and restoring from your backup but less risky and less loss of meta data.
[2018-01-04 15:42] ID=16049 RE_ID=15981 Giszmo: Deleting transaction is on my list of features to be removed as it implies to do something that is impossible. Unconfirmed transactions are floating around on the bitcoin network and you deleting it locally cannot affect that. After refreshing, you should have the transaction back. This is not a bug. On the other hand, if the transaction actually has disappeared from the network, reloading the account should be the way to go, not deleting some transactions you pick to delete.
[2018-01-04 15:43] ID=16050 BB_Martino: If the rest of the network has forgotten it but you are still seeing it, i don't see the issue with being able to clear it from your local mempool. Even Core has 'abandontransaction'.
[2018-01-04 15:47] ID=16051 jandreske: Yeah, but reloading account achieves that as well, for all transactions, and is less likely to be misleading.
[2018-01-04 15:48] ID=16052 BB_Martino: Ah, OK. 👍
[2018-01-04 15:48] ID=16053 Giszmo: @BB_Martino you have a point there. If you want to abandon one of your transactions that was forgotten by the network but not the other, you can delete and refresh.
[2018-01-04 15:49] ID=16054 Giszmo: So maybe it's a feature after all, but it confuses more people than it helps.
[2018-01-04 17:14] ID=16055 sultanali88: None
[2018-01-04 17:19] ID=16056 sultanali88: i made a transaction 9 days ago from my mycelium wallet with my android device  i did not get any reply yet which makes me concerned to some extent. i would also like to inform you that when i run the hash id via blockchain i get a response that says "transaction not found" and when i check it in my mycelium wallet it says "unable to broadcast".Therefore my question is what is the solution now? what will be done? will the btc be sent ? or returned to my mycelium wallet?
[2018-01-04 17:24] ID=16057 sultanali88: you need my account number
[2018-01-04 17:24] ID=16058 sultanali88: ?
[2018-01-04 18:03] ID=16059 RE_ID=16049 Rassah: Should add a way to delete and send another transaction with more funds, in case your funds are being stolen like this guys' supposedly were. Though I'm not sure what his deal is, since after deleting it his wallet still says he has zero balance
[2018-01-04 18:13] ID=16060 Giszmo: @Rassah the delete logic is flawed. Deleting a transaction doesn't affect your UTXO set and neither your balance. Refreshing fixes that, but refreshing brings back the unwanted transaction, too.
[2018-01-04 18:14] ID=16061 Giszmo: @sultanali88 your transaction was forgotten by the network. Reload your account to get rid of it. You can then spend the funds again. Make sure to include a sufficient fee.
[2018-01-04 18:16] ID=16062 sultanali88: I have reloaded the account and the money was debitated from my a account
[2018-01-04 18:20] ID=16063 sultanali88: I have made other transactions after and they were working except this one and it has been 9 days and I sent emails to the support team but they did not answer and the transaction date is 28/12/2017
[2018-01-04 18:53] ID=16064 Ar Musaddiq: None
[2018-01-04 18:57] ID=16065 RE_ID=16060 Rassah: Deleting should at least let Mycelium spend it as if nothing happened, and then update if this or a different transaction confirms
[2018-01-04 18:58] ID=16066 Tumnoon: None
[2018-01-04 19:08] ID=16067 RE_ID=16062 Giszmo: Did you refresh (in the main screen) or reload (in the accounts list screen)?
[2018-01-04 19:09] ID=16068 sultanali88: yes
[2018-01-04 19:11] ID=16069 Giszmo: "yes" is not an answer to "A or B".
[2018-01-04 19:14] ID=16070 RE_ID=16067 Rassah: There's a difference?
[2018-01-04 19:15] ID=16071 Giszmo: yes. the refresh button checks for additional information. the reload button wipes and re-downloads all.
[2018-01-04 19:15] ID=16072 Rassah: Wait, I don't even know how to refresh in the main screen. You mean the circle arrows?
[2018-01-04 19:15] ID=16073 Rassah: Oh
[2018-01-04 19:15] ID=16074 Giszmo: yes, the circle arrows
[2018-01-04 19:15] ID=16075 Rassah: Never even thought people would confuse the two
[2018-01-04 19:16] ID=16076 Giszmo: the reload feature is quite hidden and that was fine in the past, while Mycelium didn't allow to massively underpay on fees.
[2018-01-04 19:17] ID=16077 Giszmo: I suppose most people would keep hitting the refresh button if I wouldn't explicitly say "in the accounts list".
[2018-01-04 19:17] ID=16078 Giszmo: it has no label, so how would people know if it is reload or refresh
[2018-01-04 21:39] ID=16079 RE_ID=16065 thorbjorn: Not sure about that... the Bitcoin network would not accept a new transaction spending the same coins if it has not forgotten the old transaction yet, right? So Mycelium would be allowing the user to create a transaction that won't spread anyway.
[2018-01-04 21:48] ID=16080 RE_ID=16079 Rassah: I think some nodes may not care? I remember it was always possible to doublespend as long as you used a higher fee. That's how SatoshiDice got robbed
[2018-01-04 21:53] ID=16081 leo yan: None
[2018-01-04 21:53] ID=16082 leo yan: Hello! I have some questions about private keys in mycelium
[2018-01-04 21:54] ID=16083 leo yan: I have several keys, but if i export my private key, i can see only the last one
[2018-01-04 21:54] ID=16084 leo yan: In the hard forks, to obtain the tokens i need all my private keys
[2018-01-04 21:54] ID=16085 leo yan: How can i do that?
[2018-01-04 22:03] ID=16086 RE_ID=16085 Falderon: In not safe to export private key bro !
[2018-01-04 22:04] ID=16087 leo yan: I understand.. But to obtain hard fork tokens you need to!
[2018-01-04 22:04] ID=16088 Falderon: If you want forked coin YOU MUST WAIT !
[2018-01-04 22:04] ID=16089 leo yan: Is there another way to get the sbtc and lbtc ttokens
[2018-01-04 22:04] ID=16090 leo yan: ?
[2018-01-04 22:04] ID=16091 Falderon: Coinomi si safe to impirt master seed and take forks
[2018-01-04 22:05] ID=16092 leo yan: Is there any tutorial about doing that?
[2018-01-04 22:09] ID=16093 Rassah: Can you search this chat history? We had instructions on how to do that with Coinomi.
[2018-01-04 22:09] ID=16094 Rassah: You don't need to export every private key, just the master seed (your 12 words). But any other service or wallet you import them to can take all your bitcoins if they're not trustworthy
[2018-01-04 22:36] ID=16095 RE_ID=16091 AROMACOMPUTERS: Scanning the bip32 root key, to spend from an empty bch wallet, worked for me... After the btc was moved 1st.
[2018-01-04 22:48] ID=16096 df: Anyone know when Mycelium will support Segwit?
[2018-01-04 22:50] ID=16097 AROMACOMPUTERS: Ya?
[2018-01-04 22:51] ID=16098 AROMACOMPUTERS: 
[2018-01-04 23:38] ID=16099 RE_ID=16094 leo yan: Ok.. Only coinomi then? I will try to search for it
[2018-01-04 23:38] ID=16100 leo yan: Thanks!
[2018-01-05 10:38] ID=16101 joserif: None
[2018-01-05 11:22] ID=16102 Tumnoon: Hi, I having problem creating the RM wallet
[2018-01-05 11:23] ID=16103 Tumnoon: Do I need to first deposit the BTC?
[2018-01-05 15:00] ID=16104 Pzypher: Any update regarding the crowd sale?
[2018-01-05 16:30] ID=16105 perravida: None
[2018-01-05 16:30] ID=16106 perravida: Hi there. Greetings from Spain.
[2018-01-05 16:31] ID=16107 perravida: Can you, please, help me with one simple question?
[2018-01-05 16:32] ID=16108 perravida: I want to uninstall my wallet and, after that, install it again. I have the 12-word list and the pin written on a paper... but Do i have to backup again before uniinstalling?
[2018-01-05 16:43] ID=16109 thorbjorn: No. You only need the 12 words.
[2018-01-05 17:07] ID=16110 Tumnoon: Anybody can help with RM address how_to create
[2018-01-05 17:35] ID=16111 RE_ID=16109 perravida: Thank you.
[2018-01-05 19:10] ID=16112 RE_ID=16104 Pzypher: ?
[2018-01-05 21:31] ID=16113 MarijaBak: None
[2018-01-05 21:32] ID=16114 MarijaBak: Anyone selling btc?
[2018-01-05 22:03] ID=16115 Rassah: Not here, no
[2018-01-05 22:53] ID=16116 MarijaBak: Okay
[2018-01-05 23:08] ID=16117 RE_ID=16114 m4rtin1: You can use the inbuilt mycelium trader
[2018-01-05 23:44] ID=16118 MarijaBak: A what?
[2018-01-05 23:53] ID=16119 m4rtin1: Not available for the iPhone version afaik
[2018-01-05 23:57] ID=16120 RE_ID=16118 m4rtin1: 
[2018-01-06 03:00] ID=16121 RE_ID=16109 ShortFatUglyDumb: FYI: If u have any single-address BTC accounts you added separately to Mycelium, you'll need to backup those separately from the seed phrase.
[2018-01-06 03:39] ID=16122 Andro29: Anyone know why ?
[2018-01-06 03:39] ID=16123 Andro29: Wrong wallet addres
[2018-01-06 03:47] ID=16124 Andro29: Can someone help me
[2018-01-06 04:29] ID=16125 leo yan: Helppp
[2018-01-06 04:29] ID=16126 leo yan: I export master seed in bither wallet
[2018-01-06 04:29] ID=16127 leo yan: And it took only the last wallet
[2018-01-06 04:29] ID=16128 leo yan: How can i export all my private keys? Of all wallets of myceluim
[2018-01-06 04:31] ID=16129 leo yan: Let me say that i sent all my btcs to another wallet... I need only the private keys to obtain sbtc tokens
[2018-01-06 08:34] ID=16130 RE_ID=16121 thorbjorn: Good point. In general, you need to remember to back up each of your accounts separately.
[2018-01-06 11:39] ID=16131 kylin: https://dashboard.colu.co  can not connect\nwhy ?
[2018-01-06 11:50] ID=16132 thorbjorn: It worked a few days back, so it will probably work again later.
[2018-01-06 11:57] ID=16133 kylin: My MT is on this  https://dashboard.colu.co
[2018-01-06 11:57] ID=16134 kylin: but the can not connect
[2018-01-06 13:05] ID=16135 wjxwh6: None
[2018-01-06 14:49] ID=16136 leo yan: Anyone knows about how to use mycelium???
[2018-01-06 14:50] ID=16137 leo yan: I need my private keys! So simple as that
[2018-01-06 15:26] ID=16138 RE_ID=16133 adamvp: you should back up your keys long time ago!
[2018-01-06 15:49] ID=16139 RE_ID=16137 Rassah: Do a backup, and it should give you your 12 word seed. You can also "Export" your account and it will show you your xpriv private key
[2018-01-06 15:57] ID=16140 adamvp: but is there any way MT will be traded whenever and wherever?
[2018-01-06 16:48] ID=16141 Jiannis Skoump: What it’s about the ico before 2 year ego
[2018-01-06 17:37] ID=16142 vancitytrader: None
[2018-01-06 20:41] ID=16143 ysgjay: Is there a MT otc desk?
[2018-01-06 21:28] ID=16144 itsibits: None
[2018-01-07 04:51] ID=16145 Avila860: None
[2018-01-07 09:13] ID=16146 Goanarias: None
[2018-01-07 13:05] ID=16147 Mouse: None
[2018-01-07 15:25] ID=16148 TomyBoy: Screenshot (Jan 7, 2018 16:25:04)
[2018-01-07 15:25] ID=16149 TomyBoy: if i delete my transaction...will i get back my money?
[2018-01-07 15:26] ID=16150 TomyBoy: i never did that before. should i delete...? or ? i set the speed to slow...so i am waiting forever. i know...my mistake...but if i try will my money disappear? or\n?
[2018-01-07 15:27] ID=16151 Rassah: You can try
[2018-01-07 15:28] ID=16152 TomyBoy: or if i wait more,maybe 7 days...will it arrive to POLONIEX?  i set it up to the lowest speed possible...only to see how slow it is. but yes. it is way too slow damn. i already wait from 23 rd of december...
[2018-01-07 15:32] ID=16153 RE_ID=16151 TomyBoy: u suggest to try? what if i loose funds?😐😞
[2018-01-07 15:32] ID=16154 TomyBoy: my fault...i know
[2018-01-07 15:36] ID=16155 jandreske: You cannot lose funds. Either the transaction happens and money arrives at Poloniex, or it does not and you still have it.
[2018-01-07 15:45] ID=16156 RE_ID=16155 TomyBoy: great! then i will delete asap
[2018-01-07 15:46] ID=16157 TomyBoy: thanks. appreciate ur help . thank u all
[2018-01-07 15:46] ID=16158 TomyBoy: buy the way...ethereum fees raised up ?? or am i wrong\n? just ask...off topic...i know
[2018-01-07 16:13] ID=16159 RE_ID=16153 Rassah: You won't lose funds
[2018-01-07 16:13] ID=16160 Rassah: What Jan said
[2018-01-07 17:08] ID=16161 RE_ID=16160 TomyBoy: okay. cool
[2018-01-07 17:08] ID=16162 TomyBoy: thx
[2018-01-07 21:58] ID=16163 Jastbitme: None
[2018-01-08 13:57] ID=16164 kylin: I not back up my keys
[2018-01-08 13:58] ID=16165 kylin: I neeed help
[2018-01-08 13:58] ID=16166 Rassah: What happened?
[2018-01-08 15:54] ID=16167 RE_ID=16148 perravida: Im waiting for 7 days for a similar transaction.
[2018-01-08 15:54] ID=16168 perravida: There is no way to delete it, forget it.
[2018-01-08 16:10] ID=16169 Rassah: At this point I'm just waiting until I need to make a new one
[2018-01-08 17:39] ID=16170 Ponlok: None
[2018-01-08 17:40] ID=16171 Ponlok: i lost my Pin code! hiw can i recover?
[2018-01-08 17:43] ID=16172 Rassah: If you set your pin code to be recoverable, use that. If you didn't, your only option is to guess or use your 12 word backup to restore your wallet from scratch
[2018-01-08 18:38] ID=16173 RE_ID=16148 dvbtc: When the tx be can cancel Mycellium show you a message cancel transaction is different than delete tx without confirmation
[2018-01-08 18:39] ID=16174 dvbtc: Cancel transaction is not all time available
[2018-01-08 21:01] ID=16175 alete89: None
[2018-01-08 21:03] ID=16176 RE_ID=14633 alete89: +1
[2018-01-09 01:26] ID=16177 Ponlok: i lost Pincode and Lost 12 word. i didnt use 1 year already. how can recover? i try to guess Pin many time.
[2018-01-09 02:13] ID=16178 RE_ID=16177 Rassah: You can't. Sorry
[2018-01-09 02:31] ID=16179 ShawnLeary: None
[2018-01-09 02:31] ID=16180 ShawnLeary: @Rassah
[2018-01-09 02:31] ID=16181 ShawnLeary: 
[2018-01-09 02:31] ID=16182 ShawnLeary: 😂😂😂😂 how much did you pay again, we need an update.
[2018-01-09 04:34] ID=16183 Rassah: Ask if he'll pay 1,000 BTC for mine
[2018-01-09 04:35] ID=16184 Rassah: I'll actually be in Ft. Myers near Tampa tomorrow till Sunday
[2018-01-09 05:52] ID=16185 Abpremier1: None
[2018-01-09 08:28] ID=16186 RE_ID=16178 Ponlok: what happen if i try to guess and type wrong password many time?
[2018-01-09 13:42] ID=16187 SyedSohelOfficial: None
[2018-01-09 15:25] ID=16188 Rassah: It will get slower and slower every time
[2018-01-09 16:33] ID=16189 thorbjorn: Mycelium as well? I think that only applies to TREZOR.
[2018-01-09 16:42] ID=16190 Rassah: I think so
[2018-01-09 19:09] ID=16191 Giszmo: pin entry is throttled with exponential delays. You get to some 15 tries before it takes hours I think, so use your tries wisely.\n\nA way to hack might be a tool that meddles with the thread time measurement. Make it run a million times faster and you get more tries but be careful what might happen around an overflow.\n\nThere are people who took more radical approaches:
[2018-01-09 19:10] ID=16192 Giszmo: https://www.reddit.com/r/mycelium/comments/6twi4q/faq_did_i_lose_my_coins/
[2018-01-09 20:19] ID=16193 RE_ID=16189 Falderon: No no
[2018-01-09 20:34] ID=16195 Rassah: You lucky bastard 😑
[2018-01-09 20:41] ID=16197 Falderon: Sorry sorry
[2018-01-09 21:34] ID=16198 Rassah: Also makes me feel terrible
[2018-01-09 21:36] ID=16199 RE_ID=16184 ShawnLeary: going the Tampa Bay Bitcoiners FB page should be able to find it.  :)
[2018-01-10 01:19] ID=16200 Emsck: None
[2018-01-10 05:29] ID=16201 RE_ID=16191 AROMACOMPUTERS: A way to hack the spending pin, is to back it up, use a new password to encrypt the backup.  Then open the backup with btcrecover.  And brute Force the pin.  Should take about 90 seconds for a 6 digit pin.
[2018-01-10 10:09] ID=16205 NitkoNista: When segwit support? Thnx.
[2018-01-10 10:19] ID=16206 perravida: 9 days an a transaction still unconfirmed.
[2018-01-10 10:19] ID=16207 perravida: This is so frustrating.
[2018-01-10 11:40] ID=16208 RE_ID=16201 Giszmo: I can't follow. backup method requires pin.
[2018-01-10 11:40] ID=16209 Giszmo: what is btcrecover?
[2018-01-10 11:42] ID=16210 AROMACOMPUTERS: https://github.com/gurnec/btcrecover
[2018-01-10 11:43] ID=16211 AROMACOMPUTERS: If you forgot old backup password\nIt will try to brute Force that too.
[2018-01-10 11:44] ID=16212 RE_ID=16208 AROMACOMPUTERS: Really
[2018-01-10 12:58] ID=16213 Ivek: None
[2018-01-11 13:00] ID=16214 HaBaxa: None
[2018-01-11 13:06] ID=16215 HaBaxa: Hello. Why my RMC (colored coin) transaction (9cf84a1577c3144cfbe9eab060a20d866ea13f3e1cad4ce9338a78faead8d086) doesn't leave Mycelium (doesn't exist in colored coin's blockchain)?
[2018-01-11 13:13] ID=16216 Oxana Oil: Helll, why support of mycelium never answer on problem?
[2018-01-11 14:24] ID=16217 thorbjorn: This channel is not Mycelium support. Did you try actually contacting support?
[2018-01-11 19:03] ID=16219 alete89: is there a way to export/view a list of all my addresses used in my HD account?
[2018-01-11 19:03] ID=16220 alete89: or should I use an external tool like iancoleman?
[2018-01-11 19:04] ID=16221 alete89: 's
[2018-01-11 19:04] ID=16222 alete89: (like this one: https://iancoleman.io/bip39/ )
[2018-01-11 19:06] ID=16223 Rassah: Sign message from menu
[2018-01-11 19:40] ID=16224 RE_ID=16223 alete89: Thanks, pretty easy for viewing, but couldn't find a way to export.
[2018-01-12 00:00] ID=16225 RE_ID=16224 Rassah: Oh, no way to export if that's what you're looking for
[2018-01-12 00:35] ID=16226 Giszmo: masterscan also shows all your addresses doesn't it? If using third party tools, ideally work with xpub and not with your private keys.
[2018-01-12 02:12] ID=16227 Jupiter623: Hiiii
[2018-01-12 02:13] ID=16228 Jupiter623: Nice to see you all here. I'm an investor in Mycelium just checking in.
[2018-01-12 05:49] ID=16229 RE_ID=16167 TomyBoy: yeah.. damn it.... :(
[2018-01-12 06:00] ID=16230 RE_ID=16229 Rassah: Please send all complaints to Bitcoin Core
[2018-01-12 06:43] ID=16231 ReidAbdKarim: None
[2018-01-12 07:20] ID=16232 RE_ID=16229 perravida: 11 days...
[2018-01-12 10:00] ID=16233 RE_ID=16226 ShortFatUglyDumb: Thx 4 the tip on this tool. https://github.com/mycelium-com/masterscan/  . Bookmarked, alongside my iancoleman and similar HD wallet tools.
[2018-01-12 14:05] ID=16234 Yar V.: None
[2018-01-12 14:07] ID=16235 Molchun_off: None
[2018-01-13 02:24] ID=16237 LinkN777: None
[2018-01-13 10:40] ID=16240 alpha_te: None
[2018-01-13 17:13] ID=16243 Taiki_msk: None
[2018-01-13 19:12] ID=16244 Chien888168: None
[2018-01-13 19:45] ID=16245 Chien888168: I tried following Coinomi wallet and trying to claim BCH from Mycelium. The BTC shown up is OK, but nothing shown up on BCH.  What could be wrong?
[2018-01-13 19:55] ID=16246 Rassah: You had BTC in that account before August?
[2018-01-13 20:23] ID=16247 JuanSGalt: any plans to integrate segwit?
[2018-01-13 20:31] ID=16248 RE_ID=16247 Rassah: Probably together with Lightning, but not any time soon
[2018-01-13 20:33] ID=16249 RE_ID=16246 Chien888168: Yes
[2018-01-13 21:11] ID=16250 JuanSGalt: when?
[2018-01-13 21:11] ID=16251 JuanSGalt: mmm i see that's too bad
[2018-01-13 21:11] ID=16252 JuanSGalt: imna have to move to samourai for now, but I look forward to it
[2018-01-13 21:11] ID=16253 Rassah: Two weeks ™
[2018-01-13 21:11] ID=16254 JuanSGalt: hehe
[2018-01-13 21:11] ID=16255 JuanSGalt: roger
[2018-01-13 21:12] ID=16256 JuanSGalt: glad to hear it's getting worked on tho
[2018-01-14 02:14] ID=16257 RE_ID=16245 Chien888168: I tried it again. I got BCH. \nNeed to type: M/44H/0H/0H path.
[2018-01-14 03:23] ID=16258 Rassah: Yeah
[2018-01-14 06:11] ID=16259 kylin: @Rassah The masscoin  and MT where to trade ？
[2018-01-14 06:14] ID=16260 kylin: @Rassah Can masscoin and MT be recharged in the mycelium wallet?
[2018-01-14 06:17] ID=16261 rushyeah: why i put 190 sat/b fee but hash details shows 62 sat/b?
[2018-01-14 06:17] ID=16262 rushyeah: you still didnt fix that problem?:(
[2018-01-14 14:57] ID=16263 RE_ID=16260 Rassah: Don't know. I don't work for Mycelium, and don't use those other coins
[2018-01-14 17:21] ID=16264 RE_ID=16263 Valen_tin: I'm glad you finally left, wise choice
[2018-01-15 01:01] ID=16265 BlutoniumBoy: None
[2018-01-17 00:27] ID=16270 Theodoros: None
[2018-01-19 07:01] ID=16271 icohoneypot: None
[2018-01-19 22:29] ID=16272 Birame: Hi guys is it possible to recover mycelium wallet from android to iOS ? I did it but can’t see my bitcoins. The amount is zero. I have entered the 12 words and code.
[2018-01-19 23:38] ID=16273 Giszmo: "and code"? Then you are probably doing it wrong.
[2018-01-19 23:38] ID=16274 Giszmo: skip the code.
[2018-01-19 23:51] ID=16275 Birame: Ok
[2018-01-20 15:37] ID=16276 alpha_te: anybody please tell me if i can trust this app ?when i use this app scan my coldwallet privkey ?
[2018-01-20 15:37] ID=16277 alpha_te: thanks
[2018-01-20 15:38] ID=16278 alpha_te: im really a little bit worried😥
[2018-01-20 15:42] ID=16279 alpha_te: @Rassah 😥
[2018-01-20 16:18] ID=16280 Giszmo: @ray_15 I suppose it is one of the safest and easiest ways to handle private keys. Don't ever let private keys get into clipboards, as any app can grab them there. Mycelium has a built-in QR-Code scanner to avoid third party exposure.
[2018-01-20 16:45] ID=16281 Cme: 
[2018-01-20 16:45] ID=16282 Cme: Upgraded one hour ago
[2018-01-20 16:45] ID=16283 Cme: Cycles over & over
[2018-01-20 16:47] ID=16284 Cme: Unable to open wallet. Android 8.0.1 Google pixel xl
[2018-01-20 16:51] ID=16285 Cme: Powered phone off and back on. Same issue
[2018-01-20 16:54] ID=16286 Rassah: Check your internet connection
[2018-01-20 16:54] ID=16287 Cme: Haha, I sent this message thread phone so ...
[2018-01-20 16:55] ID=16288 Cme: Yes I have internet
[2018-01-20 16:55] ID=16289 Rassah: True. Maybe something is blocking access to Myc servers
[2018-01-20 16:56] ID=16290 Cme: Oh, let me hop on different connection
[2018-01-20 16:59] ID=16291 Cme: Nope, went on 3 different Internet (different networks) connections and same issue
[2018-01-20 17:07] ID=16292 Cme: BTW, Rassah you're awesome❤️
[2018-01-20 17:09] ID=16293 Cme: Wondering if reinstall is appropriate or hold tight and wait for fix?
[2018-01-20 17:13] ID=16294 Rassah: Hold tight. I had similar issue where it was cycling yesterday too.\n@Giszmo
[2018-01-20 17:14] ID=16295 Cme: Ty
[2018-01-20 17:58] ID=16296 Giszmo: @Rassah which version was it? I pushed an update to beta testers group.
[2018-01-20 17:59] ID=16297 Rassah: 2.9.11
[2018-01-20 17:59] ID=16298 Rassah: I submitted a crash report
[2018-01-20 18:00] ID=16299 Giszmo: I will be able to check crash reports later. kind of almost afk now.
[2018-01-20 18:02] ID=16300 Giszmo: no crash here on 2.9.11. yesterday I compiled the release version and had some instacrash cycle. "fixed" it and it worked, so I released it.
[2018-01-20 18:03] ID=16301 Rassah: 👍 Well I kinda figured out my problem. I was in hotel WiFi that was asking me to sign into the network, which I didn't realize, so wallet was crashing, but once web was re-established, it was fine
[2018-01-20 18:04] ID=16302 Rassah: Maybe it was 2.9.10. I'm in the plane, so can text but not browse or check when last update happened
[2018-01-20 18:04] ID=16303 Cme: I'm on version 2.9.11.0
[2018-01-20 18:18] ID=16304 Giszmo: can confirm. crashes here, too. airplane mode.
[2018-01-20 18:19] ID=16305 Rassah: 👍
[2018-01-20 18:19] ID=16306 Cme: 👍
[2018-01-20 18:22] ID=16307 Cme: I get this error when in airplane mode
[2018-01-20 18:22] ID=16308 Cme: 
[2018-01-20 20:55] ID=16309 JuanSGalt: Lightning networks are gearing up and being a LN node, provides a clear business model to wallet providers.\n\nMycelium is missing out
[2018-01-21 08:03] ID=16310 Andrewp7: None
[2018-01-21 08:04] ID=16311 Andrewp7: Anyone know how to get btc from Cold Storage on ipad, please?
[2018-01-21 14:23] ID=16312 Rassah: There should be a way to scan a paper wallet there
[2018-01-21 14:44] ID=16313 Cme: Cme:\nWondering if reinstall is appropriate or hold tight and wait for fix?
[2018-01-21 18:39] ID=16314 Cliff: None
[2018-01-21 22:26] ID=16315 RE_ID=14635 alpha_te: is there any other wallet got the backdoor on the news? u sure mecelium is safe ?please tell me i really like this app but i am really a little bit worried
[2018-01-21 22:31] ID=16316 alpha_te: when i use this app scan my privkey it shows connecting the network,well it shouldn't be after the privkey sign the transaction file and then upload to the network? i am a little bit confused @Rassah
[2018-01-21 22:37] ID=16317 Rassah: The address has a balance and inputs that add up to that balance. It needs to connect to the network to figure out how much money is in it and how to spend it
[2018-01-21 23:00] ID=16318 RE_ID=16317 alpha_te: thank you. i have a another question when i spend my cold storage it shows once the transaction been complete every tracy of it will be erased from the internal memory ,but now when the transation finished i still can see the transaction history of this address (i have this address in watch only mode in the app)
[2018-01-21 23:27] ID=16319 Rassah: Only the private key gets imported, used, and wiped. If you're looking at the bitcoin address, it'll just continue to look at the bitcoin address
[2018-01-23 06:36] ID=16320 mishax1: So.. one can't even import his seed from the android version to the ios version of mycelium? \nWho's the great mind behind that ?
[2018-01-23 08:48] ID=16321 KryptoDima: None
[2018-01-23 09:37] ID=16322 Wordswords101: Is mycelium wallet making profit yet ?
[2018-01-23 09:50] ID=16323 RE_ID=16320 ShortFatUglyDumb: The iOS version is a whole diff dev tean & design. Prolly no longer supported tho.
[2018-01-23 13:30] ID=16324 Giszmo: @mishax1 they are compatible regarding the 12 words backup. If not then that's a bug and needs fixing but to our knowledge there is no such bug and usually issues could be traced down to user errors.
[2018-01-23 16:40] ID=16325 Cme: Is it just on my phone that Mycelium is not working or are there others. Why is is happening? I'm on my third day w/o my Mycelium working.
[2018-01-23 16:40] ID=16326 Rassah: Just your phone. iPhone or Android?
[2018-01-23 16:41] ID=16327 Cme: Seriously
[2018-01-23 16:41] ID=16328 Rassah: Which phone are you using?
[2018-01-23 16:41] ID=16329 Cme: Cme:\nUnable to open wallet. Android 8.0.1 Google pixel xl
[2018-01-23 16:42] ID=16330 Cme: Cme:\nWondering if reinstall is appropriate or hold tight and wait for fix?
[2018-01-23 16:42] ID=16331 Cme: Cme:\nI'm on version 2.9.11.0
[2018-01-23 18:09] ID=16332 Giszmo: 2.9.11 has an insta-crash at startup if you have no or slow internet.
[2018-01-23 18:10] ID=16333 Giszmo: We are working on this. The version was rolled out to beta testers only.
[2018-01-23 18:20] ID=16334 Cme: interesting, I didn't know I was using the beta version.  at any rate, I have pretty good (multiple internet connections) here at the office so I don't think this issue is "no or slow internet".  I look forward to the update.  thanks for the response
[2018-01-23 18:47] ID=16335 Cme: maybe mycelium (beta) is looking at the wrong internet network connection. maybe stuck on another stored [inactive or slow] connection and not reading the phone's current network connection?
[2018-01-23 18:48] ID=16336 Cme: i've powered the phone off/on several times over the past few days
[2018-01-23 18:49] ID=16337 Cme: fyi - if it helps
[2018-01-23 19:46] ID=16338 Roscowjrbauer: None
[2018-01-23 19:46] ID=16339 Roscowjrbauer: How can I install mycelium
[2018-01-23 19:46] ID=16340 Roscowjrbauer: Please
[2018-01-23 19:46] ID=16341 painlord2k: play store
[2018-01-23 19:46] ID=16342 Roscowjrbauer: Ok thank you
[2018-01-23 19:47] ID=16343 Roscowjrbauer: Further explanation about how to use it please
[2018-01-23 20:22] ID=16344 thorbjorn: Asking a question would help.
[2018-01-23 20:29] ID=16345 Roscowjrbauer: How to set a password in mycelium
[2018-01-23 21:17] ID=16346 Rassah: Settings > Set PIN. If you're talking about iOS, don't use Mycelium. Use something like like Airbitz, since iOS Mycelium is not supported from what I hear.
[2018-01-24 09:47] ID=16347 ShortFatUglyDumb: FWIW, I recently used a popular javascript BIP32/39/44 tool to access individual keys in a Mycelium (Android) HD wallet, via the master seed phrase and passphrase. I'd always thought it was theoretically possible, but I'm happy to have finally sat down to figure it all out. Very cool to access specific keys (I'm always partial to working with classic single keys), which was needed to split off BCH and BTG funds. Anyway, just sharing that it's doable without much fuss. I'm very happy Mycelium chose to follow the BIP44 derivation path standard.
[2018-01-24 16:12] ID=16348 Giszmo: Cme try to update now. The crash bug should be fixed.
[2018-01-24 16:17] ID=16349 Giszmo: The crash in question is easily reproduced (using airplane mode) but we do not get crash reports and neither does it produce a stacktrace. Elvis fixed it yesterday and updated version is in beta now, waiting to be rolled out to production.
[2018-01-24 16:20] ID=16350 RE_ID=16309 Giszmo: This "clear business model" is not so clear to me. As an identified entity, running a lightning node will come with regulation and costs and in many countries a banking license, all the while you compete with lightning nodes that are run anonymously.\n\nOn the other hand, providing LN features will be a must in a year from now. Don't provide LN and your product is obsolete. We are well aware of this.
[2018-01-24 17:08] ID=16351 Giszmo: Cme it seams you are the only one who reported the crash bug in 2.9.11.0.
[2018-01-24 17:17] ID=16352 Giszmo: Anyway, we could need more beta testers, to not hit random new users with glitches in updates, so if some of you want to join our beta program, this is how you do it:\n\n1) Join our G+ Beta Testers community at https://plus.google.com/communities/102264813364583686576\n2) Opt into beta testing at https://play.google.com/apps/testing/com.mycelium.wallet\n\nBenefits: You get all the features and bugfixes first\nDownside: You get all the bugs first
[2018-01-24 18:02] ID=16353 RE_ID=16350 JuanSGalt: 
[2018-01-24 23:22] ID=16354 Cme: Just updated, still insta crash
[2018-01-24 23:29] ID=16355 AROMACOMPUTERS: When does Gear get updated for segwit
[2018-01-24 23:49] ID=16356 Cme: 
[2018-01-24 23:49] ID=16357 Cme: 2.9.11.1
[2018-01-24 23:51] ID=16358 Cme: 
[2018-01-26 10:07] ID=16360 RE_ID=16358 arottma: same here
[2018-01-26 10:07] ID=16361 arottma: after update
[2018-01-26 10:37] ID=16363 Giszmo: @tamanuanha Cme do you have token accounts?\n\nWe have to analyze the issue. 2.9.11.1 fixed a nasty crash that did not get reported through regular crash reporting, so reproducibility was essential to fixing it. Any information on how to reproduce would be invaluable.
[2018-01-26 19:48] ID=16365 Cme: Yes, I believe I have MT enabled, not so sure about MASS. I might've enabled it also. I also have an open trade going on, so this issue isn't helping that trade, lol
[2018-01-26 19:48] ID=16366 Cme: Hope it helps
[2018-01-27 11:11] ID=16367 RE_ID=16365 xElvis89x: Hi, thank you for information. We reproduced bug and you can see wallet update with fix on monday.
[2018-01-27 16:38] ID=16371 Cme: Wonderful news, ty
[2018-01-28 13:54] ID=16372 drstkova: None
[2018-01-28 17:26] ID=16373 TheSatMan: Does this mean any thing to us who own MT?\n\nhttps://news.bitcoin.com/pr-mycelium-wallet-partners-with-changelly-exchange/
[2018-01-28 18:24] ID=16374 Rassah: More adoption and growth?
[2018-01-28 21:36] ID=16376 Godson_Mansa: is mycelieum traded anywhere yet ?
[2018-01-28 22:49] ID=16377 RE_ID=16374 TheSatMan: So the MT is not dead? Or?
[2018-01-28 23:02] ID=16378 Rassah: As long as the company exists, no, not dead yet
[2018-01-28 23:08] ID=16379 TheSatMan: But do you believe the MT will have some real value ... one day? And will be tradeable ect...
[2018-01-28 23:12] ID=16380 Rassah: I don't know. I haven't worked for Mycelium since May, and from what I hear the development is still moving forward, but I don't know how well
[2018-01-28 23:22] ID=16381 TheSatMan: Okay - i remember Rassah... but is no other in this group able to answer that question with certainty ...?🤔
[2018-01-28 23:23] ID=16382 Rassah: @Giszmo maybe?
[2018-01-28 23:23] ID=16383 TheSatMan: Thank you 🙏🏼
[2018-01-28 23:31] ID=16384 Godson_Mansa: https://stocks.exchange/trade/MYCE/BTC
[2018-01-28 23:31] ID=16385 Godson_Mansa: what's that ?
[2018-01-28 23:41] ID=16386 Rassah: No idea
[2018-01-29 09:07] ID=16387 RE_ID=16381 jandreske: How is anybody supposed to answer a question about future value with certainty?
[2018-01-29 13:08] ID=16388 Giszmo: future value of X ... with certainty ... no. I can't answer that. When it comes to our modularization approach, that is being worked on with several commits per day and maybe a release candidate tomorrow on testnet but we are not happy with it yet, so it's not ready for a mainnet release for another while.
[2018-01-29 13:46] ID=16389 hairyhorse: None
[2018-01-29 13:51] ID=16390 hairyhorse: Mycelium token price today Last Price\n0.00000749
[2018-01-29 13:52] ID=16391 RE_ID=16388 TheSatMan: Thank you for the update... please note i didnt ask about how much 1 MT will be worth ... but if it in the future will actually have some value ... we as investors get ZERO updates unless we ask ... and it has been so ... almost for years... so we just like to know ... what the actually progress is ... and if it also brings value to the MT / us as investors ... thats all... otherswise i can just forget about the 10 BTC in invested in MyCelium ... because i had faith in your team and product... i hope i make myself clear and you understand my point of view...
[2018-01-29 13:52] ID=16392 RE_ID=16390 adamvp: what was ico price?
[2018-01-29 13:53] ID=16393 BitKralj: 1 MT = 1 btc. So it was a pure scam
[2018-01-29 13:53] ID=16394 hairyhorse: not sure somewhere about 1 bitcoin
[2018-01-29 13:57] ID=16395 Rassah: $476 or something like that
[2018-01-29 13:58] ID=16396 adamvp: :/
[2018-01-29 14:00] ID=16397 hairyhorse: just checked it was 1 btc per MT
[2018-01-29 14:01] ID=16398 hairyhorse: the Cypriot FSA is getting that many complaints they will have to do something about it
[2018-01-29 14:06] ID=16399 hairyhorse: And just for the record if anyone wants to know about future developments ask the 1 backend dev that still works for them the rest have all jumped ship
[2018-01-29 14:12] ID=16400 hairyhorse: I know that a small media site has gathered documents and interviews from the CEO and including Rassah interview with Cointelegraph in I think 2016 and copies of letters from myceliums lawyers at the time advising them they could go to the jail over the ICO even before it was started and is going to publish them all
[2018-01-29 14:50] ID=16401 Rassah: Yeah, that's not true. I don't think the CEO has ever been interviewed, and no lawyers told this company that anyone could go to jail
[2018-01-29 15:57] ID=16402 AtChief: None
[2018-01-29 17:47] ID=16403 hairyhorse: I am just saying what is being printed along with things like this
[2018-01-29 17:47] ID=16404 hairyhorse: Mycelium users can now buy cryptocurrency with their credit card from within the wallet. However, there is a very high fee associated with this feature, which is troublesome. Moreover, the profits generated from this process are not distributed to token holders. That in itself is considered to be somewhat shady.
[2018-01-29 17:51] ID=16405 hairyhorse: Danny  Krawisz also paraphrased some comments that were shared with him by a “higher-up” employee at Mycelium whilst on vacation in Spain. “These lawyers, you know, when we talk about making [a] token sale, they tell us, ‘This is illegal; you are going to jail.’
[2018-01-29 18:08] ID=16406 hairyhorse: Also if investors are legal stakeholders in the company why are they not receiving financial reports that in its own is breaking the law even in a cypriot registered company and could lead to accusation of misappropriation of company funds
[2018-01-29 18:32] ID=16407 RE_ID=16403 Rassah: Where?
[2018-01-29 18:43] ID=16408 bitcoindude: Any tips on moving MT tokens of the colu web wallet.  I get an error every time I try to send out, probably cause there isn't any btc to cover tx fee but I can't find an address to send deposit too
[2018-01-29 18:48] ID=16409 RE_ID=16404 Rassah: Not really. Mycelium not charging those high fees. A third party is providing the service. And even if it was charging them, that's revenues, not profits.
[2018-01-29 18:50] ID=16410 RE_ID=16405 Rassah: Yeah, that never actually happened. There were no lawyers at that business meeting, and that article was just full of made up bs. It wasn't a "vacation"
[2018-01-29 18:51] ID=16411 hairyhorse: profits derive from revenue just admit mycelium is going open source and not one person will know where the investors 5136 Bitcoin went.Its alleged most went to lawyers and did the CEO put some of it into Swish
[2018-01-29 18:52] ID=16412 RE_ID=16406 Rassah: This, however, is why I left the company. I was told the company would have them every quarter, which is why I agreed to help, but they didn't, so I didn't feel comfortable anymore
[2018-01-29 18:52] ID=16413 RE_ID=16411 Rassah: Yes, profits are derived from revenues, but profits are not revenues.
[2018-01-29 18:58] ID=16414 hairyhorse: without financial reports no one will ever know,but i do commend you for leaving the company due to them dumping a lot of lies on to you and you passing it on unwittingly
[2018-01-29 18:59] ID=16415 Rassah: They didn't dump lies. They just didn't really give all the info, and there was a lot of stuff I had to take their words for without anything to confirm it. I didn't feel comfortable just repeating what I was told
[2018-01-29 18:59] ID=16416 hairyhorse: I see you are not denying the big possibility that the wallet will go open source
[2018-01-29 19:00] ID=16417 RE_ID=16416 Rassah: Denying? That was the plan when we raised money
[2018-01-29 19:00] ID=16418 hairyhorse: what it would go open source like electrum with a part time dev never saw that at the ICO
[2018-01-29 19:01] ID=16419 Rassah: We were trying to make it be open source since we started on the new wallet. Since we ended up staying with the current wallet we were trying to make open source too, but kept getting delays and issues
[2018-01-29 19:02] ID=16420 RE_ID=16418 Rassah: Yeah, the hope was to have it be open like Electrum, so we could have other developers contribute
[2018-01-29 19:02] ID=16421 Rassah: But at this point I don't know if they still want to make it open source
[2018-01-29 19:03] ID=16422 hairyhorse: My biggest problem lies in the fact that only the wallet was included in the ICO and you said thats because everything else was experimental.Then suddenly swish has its own ICO seems shady
[2018-01-29 19:04] ID=16423 Rassah: And the Swish ICO failed from what I heard
[2018-01-29 19:05] ID=16424 hairyhorse: not surprised, fool me once etc
[2018-01-29 19:07] ID=16425 hairyhorse: Dimitri I think we both know somewhere down the line someone is going to get f**k*d for this and its left a lot of peoples reputation down the toilet
[2018-01-29 19:12] ID=16426 Rassah: Company raised funds to build a wallet. Company is still building that wallet. If the company fails, that's what 9 out of 10 companies do. So... Not sure what you mean.
[2018-01-29 19:44] ID=16427 hairyhorse: how much of that btc went to build a wallet most went to lawyers thats why they refuse to give a financial report they cant honestly account for the ICO money
[2018-01-29 20:11] ID=16428 RE_ID=16427 Rassah: It did? How do you know?
[2018-01-29 20:13] ID=16429 hairyhorse: hey in todays value i invested over 150k I make a point in knowing things and as you know nothing is a secret in this day and age
[2018-01-29 20:16] ID=16430 Rassah: I'm looking for that information too.
[2018-01-29 20:17] ID=16431 Rassah: Sorry you invested so much.
[2018-01-29 20:29] ID=16432 hairyhorse: hey you win some you lose some I made several times that back with NEO but I like a level playing field and not sure mycelium produced that.it really should have been a good project and I suppose if it was doing it today it would have raised millions in hours without giving equity away with an erc20 token and everyone would have been happy.As they say hidsight is a great thing
[2018-01-29 21:33] ID=16433 Rassah: We did start at the very beginning of ICOs, so raised very little comparatively. My biggest problem was finding developers too. The maybe three we found were asking for $100k to $120k wich we couldn't afford, and the few we could afford were not great unfortunately. Why I'm really looking forward to the Academy project I'm in now
[2018-01-29 21:58] ID=16434 hairyhorse: I am quite profient in java python go truffle and solidity Even working remote you can name your own salary .Blockchain Devs are in real demand
[2018-01-30 02:01] ID=16435 RE_ID=16421 Giszmo: I want. But I'm not making that call. We are at least working on replacing most of our backend by open source. The spv module for that is already public and we will push a huge stability update these days.
[2018-01-31 04:44] ID=16436 Empi_ Fructose: None
[2018-01-31 16:40] ID=16437 Cme: It's alive, it's alive ... thank you so very much for all your programming efforts.  It is much appreciated! :)
[2018-01-31 16:43] ID=16438 Cme: Go MT Grow!
[2018-01-31 18:26] ID=16439 Giszmo: Cme so ... the fix works for you? I'm freaking a bit out over this bugfix release as it was growing, with 2 intents to release that had still crash bugs. It's at 5% rollout, just in case somebody doesn't get it yet. I will bump that to 100% tomorrow if there are no new crashes found.
[2018-01-31 18:26] ID=16440 Giszmo: Version is 2.9.11.3
[2018-02-01 00:15] ID=16441 Cme: Yep, version 2.9.11.3 (2091103)
[2018-02-02 05:35] ID=16442 MeddyBoulom: None
[2018-02-02 21:56] ID=16443 JuanSGalt: 
[2018-02-02 22:01] ID=16444 rushyeah: yo guys get your shit together with fees! its annoying af
[2018-02-02 22:02] ID=16445 rushyeah: i put priority 250 s/b \nit shows 90 s/b on a blockchain
[2018-02-02 22:03] ID=16446 rushyeah: im stuck in mempool now
[2018-02-02 22:06] ID=16447 RE_ID=16446 JuanSGalt: 
[2018-02-02 22:09] ID=16448 rushyeah: you mean "bump fee"?
[2018-02-02 22:12] ID=16449 RE_ID=16445 ShortFatUglyDumb: be sure to confirm fee selection AFTER all other tx details (amount, recipient, etc.) otherwise, the fee can change.
[2018-02-02 22:12] ID=16450 ShortFatUglyDumb: CPFP = bump fee. it works.
[2018-02-02 22:14] ID=16451 rushyeah: crazy. app just keep crushing cant refresh balance
[2018-02-02 22:15] ID=16452 rushyeah: im on rmc balance page
[2018-02-02 22:20] ID=16453 RE_ID=16443 Rassah: I hope it is. It was my idea, that was failed to be executed because of a lack of devs and resources, but I would still love to see it get done. Last I heard from @Giszmo Mycelium had a lot more devs working on the wallet (they added them after I left 😑)
[2018-02-02 22:23] ID=16454 RE_ID=16445 Giszmo: 90sat/B should be fine.
[2018-02-02 22:24] ID=16455 RE_ID=16451 Giszmo: version 2.9.11.3?
[2018-02-02 22:25] ID=16456 RE_ID=16453 JuanSGalt: 
[2018-02-02 22:25] ID=16457 JuanSGalt: 
[2018-02-02 22:25] ID=16458 RE_ID=16454 rushyeah: yep i see now
[2018-02-02 22:26] ID=16459 RE_ID=16455 rushyeah: updated yesterday
[2018-02-02 22:26] ID=16460 rushyeah: i guess its becoz of a colored coins explorer
[2018-02-02 22:28] ID=16461 RE_ID=16453 Giszmo: we are working on it. it will probably not look like an app store as we keep control of which plugin the app shares what with and the default is to share nothing.
[2018-02-02 22:31] ID=16462 RE_ID=16459 Giszmo: check bottom right on main screen.
[2018-02-02 22:31] ID=16463 RE_ID=16457 Rassah: Ironically, if we had a Ico like they are right now where the token is not actually linked to the product in any way other than to raise money and trade in the market with the price not being related to anything, then yes, we could have had it on an exchange pretty quickly. But because it was sold as a stake in the company, no exchanges wanted to even touch us. So the irony is if we would have sold a shitcoin we would have been in an exchange, but because we sold something was actually legit backed value, it's not.
[2018-02-02 22:32] ID=16464 RE_ID=16455 rushyeah: yep 2.9.11.3
[2018-02-02 22:34] ID=16465 Giszmo: should we do more with MT? like vote on plugins? (where is the telegram option to hide the author)
[2018-02-02 22:35] ID=16466 RE_ID=16464 Giszmo: we have to check crash reports.
[2018-02-02 22:37] ID=16467 rushyeah: i click bump fee nothing happens for 5 sec then crush
[2018-02-02 23:45] ID=16468 RE_ID=16465 Rassah: That's a good idea
[2018-02-02 23:59] ID=16469 RE_ID=16463 JuanSGalt: 
[2018-02-02 23:59] ID=16470 RE_ID=16467 JuanSGalt: Got the latest version?
[2018-02-03 02:39] ID=16471 Giszmo: @JuanSGalt I'm more often than not not able to listen to audio and generally find it much more inconvenient to skim through audios than through text for relevant questions that I should answer. Just in case you expect a reaction to that last message.
[2018-02-03 04:06] ID=16472 JuanSGalt: Oh, sure, I can understand that, I tend to resist typing text on phones, so I speak, but happy to type when people ask me to.
[2018-02-03 04:06] ID=16473 JuanSGalt: if im at a pc, like now. :)
[2018-02-03 04:08] ID=16474 RE_ID=16471 JuanSGalt: Well, I was saying that, you now have an equity token, great. So if you are short on capital to build infrastructure, then why not launch a utility token to help boost some of the revenue and build the mycelium appstore as well as implement segwit, prep for lightning etc. \n\nI'm not informed on the current roadmap though I'm curious, and am an old school fan of Mycelium and don't want to see it fall behind.\n\nPlus, the appstore idea just hit me as kind of amazing.
[2018-02-03 17:01] ID=16478 donchard: None
[2018-02-03 20:01] ID=16479 $il: None
[2018-02-03 22:14] ID=16480 Transisto: Good to hear someone still giving some fucks about investors.
[2018-02-04 01:17] ID=16481 campaxnolo: None
[2018-02-04 12:47] ID=16482 BB_Martino: I just did restore on a new MyC installation and it only sees 7 keys and shows 0 balance. Is there any way to increase the gap or make it seek for coins? There's over 1 BTC balance on my old phone for the same account.
[2018-02-04 12:48] ID=16483 Rassah: Why did the gap happen?
[2018-02-04 12:54] ID=16484 BB_Martino: Good question that occurred to me as well. It's a local one I created in MyCelium and never used with anything else.
[2018-02-04 12:55] ID=16485 BB_Martino: All I know is, I should have 1+ BTC and it shows 0 BTC and a couple of transactions from 2015.
[2018-02-04 12:55] ID=16486 BB_Martino: meh nvm i'll just send them to a new acct. still annoying.
[2018-02-04 12:55] ID=16487 Rassah: Maybe you added a second account?
[2018-02-04 12:55] ID=16488 Rassah: Try adding one
[2018-02-04 12:56] ID=16489 BB_Martino: how will that make any difference to the first account?
[2018-02-04 12:56] ID=16490 Rassah: Maybe they're in your second account?
[2018-02-04 13:03] ID=16491 BB_Martino: There isn't even a total balance figure as far as I know that I could confuse it with
[2018-02-04 13:03] ID=16492 BB_Martino: But no, I'm looking at the account itself, it shows the balances per account.
[2018-02-04 13:06] ID=16493 BB_Martino: clicked "Archive" on the account -> "Mycelium Wallet has stopped"
[2018-02-04 15:34] ID=16494 Thedogcoin: None
[2018-02-04 20:20] ID=16495 ShortFatUglyDumb: Did u try "Reload Account" ?
[2018-02-05 02:13] ID=16496 RE_ID=16493 Giszmo: :( can reproduce this on latest version. The account gets archived though. We will fix it asap.
[2018-02-05 15:40] ID=16498 BB_Martino: Sfud: ofc. Same result. No worries, i've already sent the coins to the new acct.
[2018-02-05 22:50] ID=16499 hairyhorse: Its about time we ran an ICO to get this project properly funded  its pretty hopeless near bankrupt it would help past investors as well
[2018-02-06 13:55] ID=16500 Giszmo: @Markhaynes where do you get your figures from? "near bankrupt"? I thought we were profitable since September(?) and in absence of latest figures I only guessed the recent ATH and hype had multiplied that profitability at least for as long as it lasted. But although my salary depends a bit on bankruptcies, I didn't look into this topic in quite some time. Just wonder why you think you know something.
[2018-02-06 13:58] ID=16501 RE_ID=16500 Rassah: You were profitable since September? How? And is AK still in charge? There are rumors that Mycelium was sold to someone else and is planning to go public
[2018-02-06 14:02] ID=16502 Giszmo: @Rassah if you know something, share it or don't. You are not part of the company anymore, so you probably have no duty to ask higher-ups about sharing it. Just fueling rumors is lame.\nRegarding profitability, 2017 we had constraints as Jerome tried to reduce costs and increase profits to break even and at some point we had reached just that. From there out, Mycelium saw tremendous growth and I can only guess that this also translated into tremendous profit increases.
[2018-02-06 14:13] ID=16503 Rassah: You mentioned you guys consolidated projects. Regarding those rumors, if you haven't heard anything, then I guess no
[2018-02-06 20:52] ID=16505 hairyhorse: Well most of the money raised from the 5% wallet sale was used on lawyers fee's so not much of it remains and large parts of any revenue stream is going to salaries so it may mean any devs left may have to go part time and the wallet going open source.It was rumoured some of the raised funds also went towards the Swish project after its ICO failed.Remember mycelium decided any revenue received from third parties plugins like bitcoin sales are not to be distributed to shareholders
[2018-02-06 20:54] ID=16506 RE_ID=16505 Rassah: Where did you hear that most of it was used on lawyer fees? Second time I heard you say that. Any source?
[2018-02-06 20:55] ID=16507 hairyhorse: Evening Dimitri you know its the truth like you I get info from insiders
[2018-02-06 20:56] ID=16508 RE_ID=16505 Rassah: Where did you hear that any revenue received from third parties are not to be distributed to shareholders? That's the exact opposite of what was said and intended. Revenues after covering costs (profits) would go to shareholders, once the company actually becomes profitable
[2018-02-06 20:56] ID=16509 RE_ID=16507 Rassah: I was the insider. I ran the wallet. That's why I'm asking
[2018-02-06 20:57] ID=16510 Rassah: I don't remember most of the raised money going to lawyers... So I would like to know if that's true, just hearsay, or where it went.
[2018-02-06 20:58] ID=16511 hairyhorse: Not from third party plugins even coin telegraphy ran a story about that one of the reasons we will never see a profit and loss statement
[2018-02-06 20:59] ID=16512 Rassah: They lied, or people reading that don't know the difference between revenues and profits
[2018-02-06 21:00] ID=16513 Rassah: Maybe people assumed that as soon as plugins started making money, that some of that money would go to shareholders right away? But that was never promised. What was said was that profits would go to shareholders, meaning revenues after they cover costs
[2018-02-06 21:00] ID=16514 Rassah: Anyway, I'm out, so I don't even know if that's still the case
[2018-02-06 21:01] ID=16515 hairyhorse: I never believe a public statement mycelium make,like lawyers they lie for a living
[2018-02-06 21:02] ID=16516 Rassah: I never lied for a living. I don't think any of my devs did either
[2018-02-06 21:03] ID=16517 hairyhorse: I think you were kept in the dark what was really going on or I hope that was the case
[2018-02-06 21:03] ID=16518 Rassah: Maybe the upper management did
[2018-02-06 22:32] ID=16519 RE_ID=16506 DoubleYouSee23: You were the source of that info iirc rassah.
[2018-02-06 22:36] ID=16520 RE_ID=12918 DoubleYouSee23: Here is one instance of you saying that.
[2018-02-06 22:36] ID=16521 Rassah: I was told it was some, not most. I was wondering if there was different info
[2018-02-06 22:36] ID=16522 DoubleYouSee23: Ah
[2018-02-06 22:37] ID=16523 Rassah: Yeah, maybe half. I think less. Not most. But whatever. It was just what I heard too
[2018-02-07 08:00] ID=16524 Ekstan: None
[2018-02-08 09:22] ID=16528 Rohit Gogia: None
[2018-02-08 09:23] ID=16529 Rohit Gogia: @Giszmo any support for iphone now?
[2018-02-08 09:45] ID=16530 Carl Swagan: Mycelium is dope for small-mid storage on android
[2018-02-08 09:46] ID=16531 Carl Swagan: GG @Rassah
[2018-02-08 13:53] ID=16532 RE_ID=16529 Giszmo: I don't think so.
[2018-02-08 17:10] ID=16533 John Solano: Where can I get info on how to move my MT tokens to my Mycelium account
[2018-02-08 17:36] ID=16534 vancitytrader: Does anyone know if there's any legal recourse for investors?\n\nWe got scammed badly. I'm sure their lawyers made it so people can't take legal action but we were certainly sold something under false pretenses. I'm sure there is something illegal about setting it up in a way that all streams of revenue fall outside of the token holders
[2018-02-08 17:38] ID=16535 vancitytrader: I've forgotten about it, however it's something that needs to be asked
[2018-02-08 17:48] ID=16536 RE_ID=16534 Rassah: I don't think there's any recourse. You were sold 5% stake in the company, and you still contractually own that as far as I understand.
[2018-02-08 17:49] ID=16537 vancitytrader: Yeah, the only thing I think that would give anyone hope legally is that the way they are raising revenues was done in a way to deceive investors
[2018-02-08 17:49] ID=16538 vancitytrader: I don't think anyone could disagree
[2018-02-09 07:01] ID=16539 GoSimpleADV: None
[2018-02-10 10:55] ID=16540 Guidesupport: None
[2018-02-10 19:40] ID=16542 ???: None
[2018-02-11 04:31] ID=16543 JJDIDTIEBUCKLE: None
[2018-02-11 04:33] ID=16544 JJDIDTIEBUCKLE: Which exchange is Mycelium listed on?
[2018-02-11 05:56] ID=16545 RE_ID=16544 ShortFatUglyDumb: Maybe Bisq.
[2018-02-12 08:45] ID=16546 moosewala: None
[2018-02-12 08:45] ID=16547 moosewala: Does anyone of you know about any Private Presale Pool Groups?
[2018-02-12 09:45] ID=16548 RomHtk: None
[2018-02-12 09:46] ID=16549 RomHtk: Hi Mycelium !!!
[2018-02-12 16:14] ID=16550 rmadras: whatever happened to those MT tokens?
[2018-02-12 16:15] ID=16551 rmadras: are those forever gone?
[2018-02-12 16:19] ID=16552 Rassah: Do you still have yours?
[2018-02-12 17:23] ID=16553 rmadras: i don't even know where to get them?  colu?  are they trading anywhere?
[2018-02-12 17:30] ID=16554 rmadras: @Rassah what's the latest with the tokens?   I participated in the ico, got my tokens on colu wallet, and then haven't heard anything from the team since
[2018-02-12 20:00] ID=16555 Rassah: They should still be in Colu, but you should be able to move them to the Mycelium wallet now. I quit the company in May, so I'm out of the loop
[2018-02-13 04:01] ID=16556 sec ond: I have not get the token yet, where can I get it.
[2018-02-13 04:03] ID=16557 Rassah: They were sold 2 years ago. You can probably buy some from someone else here
[2018-02-13 07:19] ID=16558 SergeyLappo: None
[2018-02-13 15:14] ID=16559 sec ond: I have ICO, not yet take them
[2018-02-13 16:05] ID=16560 hkrdrm: sec lol you may be the one person that wants to buy MT tokens
[2018-02-13 19:55] ID=16561 JuanSGalt: Hey guys, the bump fee feature is awesome, but the pump right now is really expensive. i just did it and it charged me 17 usd worth of btc.\n\nall i needed was to add about 10 satoshis or like a dollar to the tx fee and it would most likely gotten in pronto. \n\nWould be great to be able to control the bump fee as well
[2018-02-13 19:55] ID=16562 RE_ID=16561 Rassah: Seconded
[2018-02-13 20:38] ID=16563 Giszmo: For controlling the bump fee we would need RBF first. CPFP depends on miners looking beyond transactions with low fees and that is limited. Also do we not analyze the parent of the transaction to be bumped, so we would need a lot to improve this. The current CPFP is a fool proof solution.
[2018-02-13 20:45] ID=16564 Rassah: Why not just send with medium instead of high priority? High is a bit over expensive
[2018-02-13 22:04] ID=16565 Alex_zodiaq: None
[2018-02-14 03:49] ID=16566 ShortFatUglyDumb: Regarding CPFP... Would it work for us users to simply manually generate a new standard tx based on the unconfirmed parent, and manually choose 1 of the higher -- but not too high -- fees? This might not work for HD wallets, but wouldn't it work fine for single-address accounts?
[2018-02-14 11:40] ID=16567 RE_ID=16566 Giszmo: doing poor-man's cpfp by just sending all the funds to oneself works on single address and hd but doesn't take the parent into account, so you have to do the math. I once had to bump an incoming 20kB transaction. cpfp feature was too expensive and poor-man's cpfp wouldn't have changed a thing even if I had spent all funds with highest priority. Fee level would have gone from 1sat/B to 40sat/B and at the time, no tx under 100sat/B had confirmed in days.
[2018-02-14 17:17] ID=16569 ShortFatUglyDumb: Thanks, Leo!
[2018-02-14 19:25] ID=16571 Flash_lig: None
[2018-02-14 19:25] ID=16572 Const_Anta: None
[2018-02-15 09:30] ID=16574 Antonio: So, how does one get the BTC back from Swish ICO? Did anyone get those back?
[2018-02-15 11:21] ID=16575 SahaShelest: None
[2018-02-15 15:38] ID=16576 RE_ID=16574 Rassah: Wow, still no? This is the kind of crap I left because of. CEO told me they would be returned... A year ago?
[2018-02-15 15:44] ID=16577 RE_ID=16576 Antonio: How would I be able to verify if they were returned?
[2018-02-15 15:58] ID=16578 Rassah: I don't know
[2018-02-15 18:29] ID=16579 RE_ID=16577 DoubleYouSee23: They weren't. I'm still waiting myself
[2018-02-15 18:30] ID=16580 Antonio: So we're gonna wait forever..
[2018-02-15 19:03] ID=16581 DoubleYouSee23: Pretty sure
[2018-02-15 19:52] ID=16582 RE_ID=16563 JuanSGalt: but, the wallet is using the fee estimator to choose how much to bump the fee right? isn't that decision about how much to bump the fee done at the client side level? \n\nlike with normal transaction fees, giving users that screen as well when doing the bump. \n\nMaybe I don't understand the problem. but it seems to me to follow that the user's device is choosing the fee locally. just a manual input interface would work in that case
[2018-02-15 20:34] ID=16583 Giszmo: It would be trivial to allow the user pick the target fee but\n\n1) we only know the direct parent that is unconfirmed and have no idea about others trying to bump it already or higher up transactions that also are unconfirmed\n2) allowing to bump cheaply again, would take options from the user to bump aggressively
[2018-02-15 21:07] ID=16584 JuanSGalt: Well. Wouldnt miners likely pick the bump with the highest fee?
[2018-02-17 01:32] ID=16585 alete89: I'm so sad about my mycelium tokens... I can't stop thinking about it
[2018-02-18 10:40] ID=16586 Andrew Otto: None
[2018-02-18 10:42] ID=16587 Andrew Otto: good afternoon. please tell me if I can recover your wallet with proshlogo device to the new one?
[2018-02-18 11:21] ID=16588 RE_ID=16587 SergeyLappo: Yes, you can. You can use 12 words backup for hd accounts or use qr code export.
[2018-02-18 12:50] ID=16589 RE_ID=16588 Andrew Otto: and if I have only a check from the ATM with the address and that's it. and in the app, I can't open a new record. is it possible to transfer money to a new wallet at the address or is it easier to call ATM support and return the payment?
[2018-02-18 13:47] ID=16590 SergeyLappo: Go to add new account -> advanced  -> scan and scan private key from your receipt
[2018-02-18 13:52] ID=16591 RE_ID=16590 Andrew Otto: thank you very much, now I will!)
[2018-02-19 15:33] ID=16592 hkrdrm: how do i trade my MT tokens for Petro tokens
[2018-02-19 16:52] ID=16593 deadkabras: petro tokens? where can iget that?
[2018-02-19 16:53] ID=16594 hkrdrm: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/feb/19/venezuelas-new-bitcoin-n-ingenious-plan-or-worthless-cryptocurrency
[2018-02-19 16:54] ID=16595 hkrdrm: ill glady trade my MT tokens for petro I'm they will be worth more one day lol
[2018-02-19 21:14] ID=16596 ShortFatUglyDumb: Sell ur MT on Bisq, then buy some PTR somewhere. (The Petro, PTR, is an ERC20 token, so it should be easy to hold.)
[2018-02-19 21:15] ID=16597 Rassah: Maduro seriously released his token on top of Ethereum?? What, he expects it to not last long?
[2018-02-19 21:42] ID=16598 RE_ID=16597 rodomonte: where does it talk about Ethereum?
[2018-02-19 22:02] ID=16599 RE_ID=16596 theultimatum: This isn't the legit Petro from Venezuela is it?
[2018-02-19 22:03] ID=16600 hkrdrm: i think petro sale starts tomorrow
[2018-02-19 22:13] ID=16601 RE_ID=16596 rodomonte: where did you read it's an erc20?
[2018-02-19 22:21] ID=16603 RE_ID=16601 theultimatum: How many blockchain devs do you think there are in Venezuela?
[2018-02-19 22:22] ID=16604 rodomonte: idk, can you answer my question please?
[2018-02-19 22:28] ID=16605 RE_ID=16603 Rassah: Zero?
[2018-02-19 22:31] ID=16606 RE_ID=16605 theultimatum: Probably. Because they are all too worried about the where their next meal is coming from
[2018-02-19 22:37] ID=16607 Rassah: Cause they are in high demand and left long ago
[2018-02-19 22:52] ID=16608 RE_ID=16596 rodomonte: shit this is embarrassing http://elpetro.gob.ve/Whitepaper_Petro_en.pdf
[2018-02-19 22:54] ID=16609 RE_ID=16608 theultimatum: Can't open it at the moment. What is embarrassing?
[2018-02-19 22:54] ID=16610 Rassah: Shit, this is embarrassing:\nVenezuela
[2018-02-19 22:57] ID=16611 RE_ID=16609 rodomonte: Ethereum obviously, actually can even sustain cat cards trading lol
[2018-02-19 22:57] ID=16612 RE_ID=16610 theultimatum: 😁
[2018-02-19 22:57] ID=16613 RE_ID=16611 theultimatum: Car cards trading?
[2018-02-19 22:59] ID=16614 RE_ID=16613 rodomonte: 🐱
[2018-02-19 23:00] ID=16615 theultimatum: Ah ok
[2018-02-19 23:03] ID=16616 jaisau: Hi Sasha. Can I send my MT to mycellium Wallet?
[2018-02-19 23:05] ID=16617 theultimatum: Bahahahahahah Venezuela's revenue stream has been ground to a halt due to crypto kitties
[2018-02-19 23:06] ID=16618 RE_ID=16617 rodomonte: Ahahah actual news 😂👌
[2018-02-19 23:08] ID=16619 RE_ID=16616 Rassah: Sasha isn't here, but yes you can
[2018-02-19 23:12] ID=16620 jaisau: Jaja. Sorry Rassah 🙏\n\nbut is there an address for MT ?, or directly to the BTC address?\n\nWill they serve for something?
[2018-02-19 23:23] ID=16621 jaisau: okay. I've already seen that you have to create the asset
[2018-02-19 23:26] ID=16622 Rassah: There is. Add an MT account in the wallet
[2018-02-19 23:27] ID=16623 RE_ID=16622 jaisau: I've seen. Thank you
[2018-02-19 23:42] ID=16624 RE_ID=16604 ShortFatUglyDumb: That PDF file above seems to confirm ERC20.
[2018-02-19 23:43] ID=16625 RE_ID=16624 rodomonte: and guess what, that's why I reply with that to my question
[2018-02-19 23:43] ID=16626 rodomonte: Ahahah
[2018-02-19 23:44] ID=16627 RE_ID=16624 rodomonte: also please remove seems to from phrase Xd
[2018-02-20 09:59] ID=16628 pvdmitriev: None
[2018-02-21 00:10] ID=16629 Giszmo: on page 13 it says "NEM" for the presale but the ICO is not totally clear to not be NEM but it seams so.
[2018-02-21 00:13] ID=16630 Giszmo: But according to the markets, this is either old news that is priced in already or irrelevant news. Neither NEM nor ETH did anything funny in the last month in terms of price.
[2018-02-21 05:21] ID=16631 undisc losed: Wouldn't CryptoBridge decentralised exchange be a good place to let people trade their MT?
[2018-02-21 05:26] ID=16632 undisc losed: Or is it better it's not traded at all because it's complicated as a share of the company for now? In that case wouldn't it be possible to twist some utility into the tokens to make it fit another legal template better?
[2018-02-21 05:32] ID=16633 undisc losed: For example fee discounts for a new payed service or vip access to MT holders to a premium service, or MT used as gas to fuel a useful feature.
[2018-02-21 05:39] ID=16634 undisc losed: Or MT could directly be used to stake a share of a new revenue stream like exchange fees for a minimalistic decentralised exchange directly in-wallet, somewhat to the liking of what was advertised during the token sale. It just needs to have utility. Scarcity it has, and holders too. Now it needs to be moved around as it serves a purpose that can only be be achieved by using it.
[2018-02-21 05:41] ID=16635 undisc losed: Or it can stay as it is and one day people with MT tokens can claim their part of the company against what it's worth.
[2018-02-21 05:55] ID=16636 undisc losed: Marketplace Top Spot Holding using MT? Why not make Add revenue in the wallet trickle down to the MT holders? Voting rights on development could be putting MTs to use. Door opening functions like premium charting or zero fee exchange rates could be payed in MTs too
[2018-02-21 15:03] ID=16637 hairyhorse: MT holders are not due profits from third party wallet add ons seemingly to be honest the whole thing is a scam.Swish never made its ICO soft cap and was cancelled but the company kept the btc received and wont return it another scam
[2018-02-21 16:12] ID=16638 RE_ID=16637 Rassah: MT holders are due profits from third party wallet add-ons. They just have to be profits, not revenues.
[2018-02-21 16:13] ID=16639 Rassah: But not giving back Swish funds after a year? is pretty terrible.
[2018-02-21 16:14] ID=16640 hkrdrm: Yeah if they wanted to maintain any credibility that should have been giving back a long time ago
[2018-02-21 16:15] ID=16641 hkrdrm: wonder if they spent it
[2018-02-21 18:08] ID=16642 jaisau: https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.colu.localeconomies\n\n@Rassah \nIs this the way to send MT to Wallet mycelliym??
[2018-02-21 18:18] ID=16643 Rassah: I don't how. I thought the way to do that was from Colu website
[2018-02-21 18:32] ID=16644 jaisau: The web gives error
[2018-02-21 23:10] ID=16645 SEmpedocles: None
[2018-02-22 04:46] ID=16647 bigs21024: Any new news on MT
[2018-02-22 19:47] ID=16648 Lumipori: Anynews on the 0.5 btc i invested into your an age ago?
[2018-02-23 06:21] ID=16649 zebbra2014: 
[2018-02-23 06:21] ID=16650 zebbra2014: How to get MT back?
[2018-02-23 07:40] ID=16651 SEmpedocles: Hi all.\n\nI made a BTC transaction from my RMC 1 bitcoin wallet and half of my rmc disappeared without any outgoing transaction. (add up all incoming and outgoing rmc does not tie up to balance) \n\nI tried contacting rmc administration where they just ignored me. Typed out document explaining situation and emailed it to Mycelium support and adding rmc support and its been more than a month without a response. \n\nCan someone here please assist or direct me to someone who can help
[2018-02-23 08:10] ID=16652 alvmakarov: None
[2018-02-23 08:15] ID=16653 RE_ID=16651 alvmakarov: Please see PM
[2018-02-23 17:01] ID=16654 cadubh: None
[2018-02-23 18:57] ID=16655 mishax1: Time to wake up and upgrade to SEGWIT, don't you think?
[2018-02-24 07:24] ID=16656 KJ: Where are you guys storing your MT tokens? I still have mine in Colu as worried i could send to mycelium and lose them as they didn't go under the seed
[2018-02-24 09:58] ID=16657 TomyBoy: None
[2018-02-24 12:01] ID=16658 sec ond: I still not token out. I don't know where can take them now
[2018-02-24 16:27] ID=16659 Jerry Allen: None
[2018-02-24 17:17] ID=16660 KJ: The colu.co site doesn't work anymore and the dash board is gone. Are my tokens gone ? I emailed support and they said they don't have a dashboard
[2018-02-24 17:17] ID=16661 KJ: That's where they used to be stored.
[2018-02-24 17:25] ID=16662 KJ: I emailed support they said none of what I'm saying exists. Was the company sold?
[2018-02-24 17:26] ID=16663 KJ: I guess my mt tokens are gone. I probably should have taken the transfer out of Colu more seriously. Does anyone know for sure?
[2018-02-24 18:06] ID=16664 alvmakarov: You could try to access dashboard from here: https://www.colu.com/developers
[2018-02-24 18:26] ID=16665 KJ: When u click login link
[2018-02-24 18:26] ID=16666 KJ: 
[2018-02-24 18:52] ID=16667 KJ: Any help would be appreciated
[2018-02-24 20:37] ID=16668 Criptofriend: for Mycelium Token, posible solution is here: http://coloredcoins.org/
[2018-02-24 20:40] ID=16669 Criptofriend: i send email to Colu support but not response
[2018-02-24 20:50] ID=16670 Criptofriend: [email protected]
[2018-02-24 21:19] ID=16671 Criptofriend: what is this? https://www.eicstes.org/coin/MT
[2018-02-25 07:35] ID=16672 Criptofriend: bad news for me!! answer of COLU Support:
[2018-02-25 07:35] ID=16673 Criptofriend: Hi ,\n\nFor any issues regarding Mycelium tokens, please contact them directly. \n\nColu doesn’t provide any support in regards to Mycelium activity, and we have no association with Mycelium.\n\n\n\nBest Regards,
[2018-02-25 07:36] ID=16674 RE_ID=16673 df: Did the site get shutdown or something? It's colored coins, so they are the ones who hold the coins, not Mycelium.
[2018-02-25 07:37] ID=16675 df: I sent them a email today in regards of my tokens. I have then on Colu as well
[2018-02-25 07:37] ID=16676 Criptofriend: exactly
[2018-02-25 07:38] ID=16677 Criptofriend: I have Mycelium Token-MT  in Colu web wallet https://dashboard.colu.co/login\n\nuntil a few weeks ago and I can no longer enter.\n \nThis web wallet  not work now.\n\nI can not enter to send them to another wallet.\n\nI do not have private keys, to enter the wallet Colu only used an email and a "Decrypting private key"
[2018-02-25 07:38] ID=16678 df: So, they are saying they lost all the MT tokens? How many where there again, 200?
[2018-02-25 07:39] ID=16679 Criptofriend: what happens is that it seems that Colu has stopped supporting https://dashboard.colu.co/login
[2018-02-25 07:40] ID=16680 Criptofriend: and we do not have access to our colored coins
[2018-02-25 07:40] ID=16681 df: If they lost all thier MT tokens they on the site, Colu is done, they won't survive the bad press.
[2018-02-25 07:41] ID=16682 Criptofriend: Now Colu is in ICO
[2018-02-25 07:41] ID=16683 Criptofriend: https://cln.network/
[2018-02-25 07:42] ID=16684 Criptofriend: but they have forgotten us
[2018-02-25 07:48] ID=16685 Criptofriend: @Giszmo Many of us do not have access to our token because Colu does not maintain https://dashboard.colu.co/login . And we do not have private keys to manage our colored coins in another wallet. Colu support tells me to ask Mycelium. Do you think we have definitely lost our token?
[2018-02-25 07:58] ID=16686 Currencydealer: None
[2018-02-25 12:38] ID=16687 A7325777: None
[2018-02-25 12:40] ID=16688 A7325777: how to sync the wallet
[2018-02-25 12:40] ID=16689 A7325777: giving me an error when I try to send btc
[2018-02-25 14:40] ID=16690 Giszmo: @Criptofriend I never talked with colu or had an account on their platform. Others in the company are closer to that part of how MT works. I personally think that Colu is a dead end either way. It looks like an open standard but there is not much in terms of infrastructure to build on. Only one implementation in JS for example, so I guess we will have to move MT to another platform short to medium term anyway.\n\nRegarding the loss of tokens that are in a hosted "wallet", I am pretty sure Colu has the data and will provide means to recover your tokens.
[2018-02-25 14:41] ID=16691 Giszmo: @alvmakarov should know more I think.
[2018-02-25 14:44] ID=16692 Criptofriend: @Giszmo  , very thanks for your words! Do you think we should individually claim Colu or you can help us get a solution? You have already seen the answer they have given me. That they have nothing to do with the MT
[2018-02-25 15:27] ID=16693 Rassah: Nobody got backups of their tokens?
[2018-02-25 15:35] ID=16694 BB_Martino: Ain't nobody got time for dat.
[2018-02-25 15:37] ID=16695 BB_Martino: I was wondering the same actually, was there a guide to storing MT on some website and exporting the privkey was an option but the users weren't nagged to do a backup?
[2018-02-25 15:46] ID=16696 RE_ID=16693 Criptofriend: I never saw an option to backup in Colu, maybe I did not search well.  I only remember that they could be sent, although I did not get to try. I hoped to send them to Mycelium wallet. But I did not expect Colu to stop working without warning.
[2018-02-25 16:11] ID=16697 Rassah: And I didn't expect Mycelium to take over a year to implement colored coins, since one of the devs I didn't have authority over claimed it would be done by August of 1.5 years ago, and then just kept working on other projects
[2018-02-25 16:33] ID=16698 Criptofriend: my fault has been not getting the private keys of my address Colu where I have my token (coloredcoins). I do not know if it could be done, but the truth is that I did not try all these months. The last weeks I only thought to send the tokens to my Mycelium wallet, and I did not think that I could leave without accessing my Colu wallet without warning.
[2018-02-25 16:42] ID=16699 RE_ID=16694 DoubleYouSee23: First thing I did when I could
[2018-02-25 16:56] ID=16700 Criptofriend: Coinprism also closes, but at least there is a notice:
[2018-02-25 16:56] ID=16701 Criptofriend: Coinprism will be closing down on March 31st, 2018. Make sure to withdraw your funds and export your private keys before this date.
[2018-02-25 21:00] ID=16702 zaephe: tx rejected by network out of sync, server down?
[2018-02-25 23:18] ID=16703 RE_ID=16692 Giszmo: Well, they might not have to do with any specific token but to my understanding, they do hold private keys of user accounts, so they at least owe you your private keys.
[2018-02-26 06:44] ID=16704 sec ond: I have not yet take my token, who will help me? At that time they said you can keep in your company until wallet avaliable to store them. Will you redidtribute the token once again.
[2018-02-27 04:59] ID=16709 BankeraBrasil: None
[2018-02-27 04:59] ID=16710 BankeraBrasil: Guys
[2018-02-27 04:59] ID=16711 BankeraBrasil: I try to send btc from my wallet
[2018-02-27 04:59] ID=16712 BankeraBrasil: But I can't
[2018-02-27 04:59] ID=16713 BankeraBrasil: Someone to help me?
[2018-02-27 05:00] ID=16714 BankeraBrasil: PLEASE
[2018-02-27 05:10] ID=16715 BankeraBrasil: 
[2018-02-27 05:10] ID=16716 BankeraBrasil: How can I move this BTC?
[2018-02-27 05:11] ID=16717 BankeraBrasil: When I try to send it to my Binance address it says *invalid address*
[2018-02-27 06:10] ID=16718 Rassah: Did you try to refresh? Or reload account from the menu?
[2018-02-27 10:30] ID=16719 RE_ID=16717 mishax1: Copy your binance address to a block explorer and scan the qr, maybe that would help.
[2018-02-27 22:17] ID=16720 RE_ID=16703 KJ: Hi, yes can you please assist regarding coins on Colu if you are still working with mycelium. I was given the same response regarding MT tokens on Colu. They are saying contact mycelium aka we don't know anything about that. I told them how can you not know about a product you have. They flat out deny any existence of it. we need mycelium a support here. Jesus if we got scammed on MT tokens that's one thing, but to lose them too on another platform and not be given help is another
[2018-02-27 22:19] ID=16721 RE_ID=16692 KJ: I got the same reply, Basically they don't assist. We wouldn't be able to do this on an individual basis.
[2018-02-27 23:37] ID=16722 RE_ID=16720 Rassah: They've been saying that since tokens we're first sold. Someone there doesn't know what's going on. Basically they only ran the Colu wallet through a test site
[2018-02-28 00:44] ID=16723 RE_ID=16720 Giszmo: I'm still the lead dev of the android wallet but on vacation till tomorrow and not much in charge of cooperations and the tokens part of the wallet. I could bring the topic to higher ups to figure out how to assist.
[2018-02-28 01:19] ID=16724 KJ: Thanks Leo, I'm positive there are others here in the same boat. Would at least at minimum need to access our private keys
[2018-02-28 03:04] ID=16725 df: Anyone got a letter from Coinbase today? I guess they have to release data to the IRS from 13,000 accounts.
[2018-02-28 03:05] ID=16726 RE_ID=16725 theultimatum: From what I heard it was got accounts withdrawing more than $20k in a year... Could be different now
[2018-02-28 03:07] ID=16727 RE_ID=16726 df: Do you think the IRS is going to do anything about the information they receive?
[2018-02-28 03:07] ID=16728 theultimatum: Oh yeah
[2018-02-28 03:07] ID=16729 theultimatum: They're looking to make an example out of someone/many
[2018-02-28 03:08] ID=16730 RE_ID=16729 df: If you withdraw BTC from Coinbase, I don't think they would have poof you sold it?
[2018-02-28 03:08] ID=16731 RE_ID=16730 theultimatum: It's not about withdrawing BTC it's about withdrawing USD
[2018-02-28 03:10] ID=16732 df: How would the IRS even know what price you bought at for capital gains? Say you send $45,000 worth of Bitcoin to coinbase then sell it for usd?
[2018-02-28 03:12] ID=16733 RE_ID=16732 theultimatum: Taxes like this are on the honor code. Make a fair effort to pay and they'll most likely me happy
[2018-02-28 03:13] ID=16734 theultimatum: If you got a letter you're not alone
[2018-02-28 03:13] ID=16735 theultimatum: https://twitter.com/aantonop/status/967160225378660352?s=20
[2018-02-28 04:59] ID=16736 RE_ID=16725 Rassah: I got one a few days ago. I only sold like $2000 worth. The rest were buys
[2018-02-28 05:00] ID=16737 RE_ID=16732 Rassah: They treat it as "bought at $0" by default for investments and securities. It's up to you to prove that you bought it at a higher price
[2018-02-28 07:39] ID=16739 sec ond: I th8nk nobody has make transaction of myceliym token. Ask the company to redistribute it to the ICO holder once again and no use colu anymore.
[2018-02-28 07:49] ID=16740 BB_Martino: So what if someone bought MT from an MT holder? Do they lose it?
[2018-02-28 07:52] ID=16741 sec ond: Who bought?
[2018-02-28 07:59] ID=16742 BB_Martino: Anyone. Even if there was just one OTC trade, it means the coins can't be "redistributed".
[2018-02-28 09:42] ID=16743 TuRa72: None
[2018-02-28 12:03] ID=16744 zebbra2014: Answer to the question of MT Hi Aleksander,\n\nThanks for reaching out. \n\nFor the last 2 years, the dashboard is unsupported, it's an old product that was developed by Colu with cooperation from coloredcoins.org.\n\nMycelium forwarded its investors to use it without clarifying this with us, to understand if the dashboard is supported.\n\nSo, unfortunately, we can't help you at the moment. You should reach mycelium support to ask for assistance.\n\nBest Regards,\nAnna
[2018-02-28 12:05] ID=16745 zebbra2014: http://coloredcoins.org/explorer/asset/LaA8aiRBha2BcC6PCqMuK8xzZqdA3Lb6VVv41K
[2018-02-28 13:39] ID=16746 RE_ID=16742 sec ond: Yes, but who? Who has bought?
[2018-02-28 13:39] ID=16747 sec ond: It seems none has successfully sell the token
[2018-02-28 13:40] ID=16748 BB_Martino: I saw people looking to exchange in here all the time. At least a small number of them must have found a good deal in PM.
[2018-02-28 13:41] ID=16749 BB_Martino: The point is, if the MT was transferable then we simply do not know who owns how much. Redistributing means taking away all tokens bought peer to peer.
[2018-02-28 17:30] ID=16750 vancitytrader: @Giszmo I got the same response today regarding MT tokens on colu. We would appreciate your help on the matter. At least give us access to the dashboard on a private site so we can recover the funds from their server back ups
[2018-02-28 17:30] ID=16751 vancitytrader: They are blaming mycelium
[2018-02-28 17:31] ID=16752 RE_ID=16745 vancitytrader: Your coins don't even exist on the blockchain anymore ?
[2018-02-28 17:44] ID=16753 RE_ID=16751 DoubleYouSee23: That doesn't seem right...
[2018-02-28 17:45] ID=16754 Giszmo: people are transacting MTs. I doubt re-ishuing is an option. bu again, i am not and was never in charge of anything MT except for auditing changes to the Android wallet.
[2018-02-28 17:48] ID=16755 Rassah: Sadly my neither. Jerome was managing the list of buyers and distributing. Is he still around?
[2018-02-28 18:50] ID=16756 RE_ID=16744 df: I got the same email today as well.
[2018-02-28 20:33] ID=16757 Cme: yeah, i'm in the same boat. here's the message I got:\n\nOn Fri, 5 Jan at 12:51 AM\n\nFor any issues regarding Mycelium tokens, please contact them directly. \nColu doesn't provide any support in regards to Mycelium activity, and we have no association with Mycelium.\nYou can also visit coloredcoins.org and to ask their support directly.\n\nBest Regards,\nAnna
[2018-02-28 20:45] ID=16758 Ivandf78: https://crowdsale.mycelium.com/#/
[2018-02-28 20:48] ID=16759 Ivandf78: I almost left the tokens there.\nWhat can I do with the Colu backup?
[2018-02-28 21:21] ID=16760 vancitytrader: I think if you have the colu backup then you probably have the private keys
[2018-02-28 23:13] ID=16761 Ivek: None
[2018-03-01 08:45] ID=16764 RE_ID=16756 Criptofriend: I have also received exactly the same answer. It is clear that in Colu they have realized that there is a problem and at the moment they do not want to help.
[2018-03-01 08:49] ID=16765 Criptofriend: COLU EMAIL: df , Cme , @Criptofriend , @vancitytrader , @zebbra2014 ...
[2018-03-01 12:26] ID=16766 Gebeleizis1: None
[2018-03-01 12:28] ID=16767 Gebeleizis1: Heelo guys, im sure its been asked before, but what is the best thing to do if i cannot send transaction because wallet not synced?\n\nHave restarted app and tried to restore in bitpay wallet but it gave me error of password/domain adress
[2018-03-01 12:30] ID=16768 Gebeleizis1: Im afraid that if i reinstall app i might be locked outside.\n\nI only have the 12word backup and the pin. No password set.
[2018-03-01 13:15] ID=16769 sec ond: Many People like me not yet claim the token from mycelium. Redistribute is the only choice. You just make announement ask who has made transaction before is OK.
[2018-03-01 13:19] ID=16770 Criptofriend: In MYCELIUM TOKEN DASHBOARD: "Warning! Do not import your Colu private key into a non-Colu wallet. You will lose your Mycelium Tokens if you do so."
[2018-03-01 14:03] ID=16771 Gebeleizis1: Guys, do you have any idea how to fix the syncing problem of wallet?
[2018-03-01 14:57] ID=16772 dmp1ce: Here is my discussion with Colu on Twitter. I'll be surprised if I ever have access to the MT again. https://twitter.com/ColuNetwork/status/934680815061078016
[2018-03-01 17:32] ID=16773 Transisto: No update to mycelium in 7 weeks and last update was very minor. What are you doing?
[2018-03-01 18:55] ID=16774 RE_ID=16771 Rassah: "Reload account" in the menu?
[2018-03-01 20:27] ID=16775 RE_ID=16774 Gebeleizis1: Didnt work.\nI just switched to tor connection and went fine\nThanks
[2018-03-01 20:39] ID=16776 Rassah: One of the servers must be out of sync
[2018-03-02 11:08] ID=16777 ???: None
[2018-03-03 02:44] ID=16782 Cherie Lowe: None
[2018-03-03 07:46] ID=16783 Sam: None
[2018-03-03 13:06] ID=16784 Sahonda: Hi! Tell me please.\nWhy, when I make desposite on BTC address, create new address ?
[2018-03-03 13:06] ID=16785 Sahonda: "Contrains 7 private keys"
[2018-03-03 13:07] ID=16786 Sahonda: 
[2018-03-03 13:08] ID=16787 Sahonda: I open tab "Balance"
[2018-03-03 13:09] ID=16788 Sahonda: 
[2018-03-03 13:10] ID=16789 Sahonda: Every time I make a deposite, my address is changing.
[2018-03-03 13:10] ID=16790 Sahonda: This is normal?
[2018-03-03 13:13] ID=16791 BB_Martino: Yes.
[2018-03-03 13:14] ID=16792 Sahonda: Ok, thanks
[2018-03-03 14:02] ID=16793 RE_ID=16790 Rassah: https://coinsutra.com/hd-wallets-deterministic-wallet/
[2018-03-03 14:11] ID=16794 Proot: so mycelium wallet ico tokens on colu is gone??
[2018-03-03 14:13] ID=16795 Proot: My mycelium tokens were on Colu too
[2018-03-03 14:17] ID=16796 Proot: Ridiculous
[2018-03-03 15:43] ID=16797 Sam: None
[2018-03-03 15:43] ID=16798 DoubleYouSee23: @Rassah ^ adding bots
[2018-03-03 15:44] ID=16800 Rassah: None
[2018-03-03 15:44] ID=16801 DoubleYouSee23: Ty
[2018-03-03 15:44] ID=16802 Rassah: Ty
[2018-03-04 08:40] ID=16807 hairyhorse: Spoke to martin at colu regarding MT tokens Colu no longer hold them mycelium was asked repeatedly to make arrangements to move them but ignored colu
[2018-03-04 13:43] ID=16809 Proot: Mycelium one of the most retarded company we have  in the industry.
[2018-03-04 13:43] ID=16810 Proot: What can we expect now?
[2018-03-04 15:06] ID=16812 Rassah: Yeah, that's a wtf...
[2018-03-04 15:58] ID=16813 Transisto: Did I just notice there is no way to see incoming Segwit transactions before they're confirmed?
[2018-03-04 16:01] ID=16814 BB_Martino: there's incoming segwit transactions in mycelium?!
[2018-03-04 16:08] ID=16815 RE_ID=16813 Rassah: That's a bitcoin issue. SegWit transactions aren't considered valid by legacy nodes or SPV clients until they are included in a block.
[2018-03-04 18:38] ID=16816 df: If Colu doesn't have some kind of database backup, Mycelium should reissue the tokens that where never moved from the site.
[2018-03-04 19:40] ID=16817 BB_Martino: Was it not a shared wallet?
[2018-03-04 19:41] ID=16818 BB_Martino: (I mean withdrawals from a pool, separate internal ledger)
[2018-03-04 19:42] ID=16819 Rassah: I think they were issued on Mycelium's company wallet, and then sent to the Colu wallet after people requested it. I guess the idea was that they would remember to make a backup, and the Mycelium wallet itself would support those tokens within a few months.
[2018-03-04 19:53] ID=16820 BB_Martino: Ah yeah I keep forgetting, backups could be made. So it was a proper one, not shared. Then what df says is doable, right?
[2018-03-04 19:56] ID=16821 Rassah: If they get a list of things that aren't moved, maybe
[2018-03-05 11:29] ID=16822 hairyhorse: The time has come to take this a bit further I am writing via my lawyers to both the Latvian and Cypriot police asking them to consider charges of fraud by the mycelium board of directors and to try and force Mycelium wallet into adminastration..
[2018-03-05 11:44] ID=16823 RE_ID=16822 duncan idaho: Inform us about progress i am intrested in.
[2018-03-05 12:44] ID=16824 hairyhorse: will do
[2018-03-05 14:11] ID=16825 Goanarias: Great
[2018-03-05 14:11] ID=16826 Goanarias: +1
[2018-03-05 14:18] ID=16827 hairyhorse: First thing my lawyer has found out is that according to the whitepaper all participants in the sale were given SARS not shares in the 5% and you can not sell SARS its a plan only given out to management and empoyees of a company and a share price must be set and then a vesting period set ie when you can ask for your SAR to be redeemed.Mycelium has acted illegally by saying you were getting 5% of the wallet when you were getting nothing and its not possible to sell SARS to the public
[2018-03-05 14:19] ID=16828 hairyhorse: SARS is Share appreciation rights
[2018-03-05 14:32] ID=16829 duncan idaho: i know some people intrested in sue them
[2018-03-05 14:41] ID=16830 ReverseCold: None
[2018-03-05 14:41] ID=16831 ReverseCold: When I try to send BTC I get "wallet out of sync."
[2018-03-05 14:41] ID=16832 ReverseCold: Now afaik, Mycelium has a centralized server for sending things
[2018-03-05 14:41] ID=16833 ReverseCold: So is this a problem for everyone, or can I fix it somehow?
[2018-03-05 15:00] ID=16834 RE_ID=16831 SergeyLappo: Please try to reload account
[2018-03-05 15:08] ID=16835 ReverseCold: How?
[2018-03-05 15:08] ID=16836 ReverseCold: The refresh button doesn't seem to do anything
[2018-03-05 15:09] ID=16837 ReverseCold: Found it, Reloaded account, still not working
[2018-03-05 17:05] ID=16838 hairyhorse: Mycelium has a centralized server thats the problem
[2018-03-05 17:26] ID=16839 RE_ID=16827 Rassah: SARS price was fixed at $478 or something like that... Just more info
[2018-03-05 17:27] ID=16840 hairyhorse: what was the vesting period mate
[2018-03-05 17:27] ID=16841 RE_ID=16832 Rassah: There were three servers last year when I left. SPV is *still* being worked on. @Giszmo any progress on that???
[2018-03-05 17:27] ID=16842 RE_ID=16840 Rassah: No idea
[2018-03-05 17:28] ID=16843 RE_ID=16837 Rassah: You'll have to force close the app and restart it. Hopefully it will connect to a different server
[2018-03-05 17:34] ID=16844 RE_ID=16840 Rassah: What I was told was SARS, locked at the price of BTC when sale ended, and... I think converted to stock shares when Mycelium Wallet makes a profit? And if the company went up in value, like through a second sale that was supposed to happen but never did, then SARS owners would get a cash payouts on top of the difference.\nSo if the initial token price was $475 and the second sale ended up valuing them at $500, you'd have a right to a $25 cash distribution, or keep the cash in the company and convert it and the SAR into $500 worth of stock shares
[2018-03-05 17:39] ID=16845 hairyhorse: but in several interviews and in somedocumentation it said they sold 5% of the wallet in fact they sold you nothing,and you cant sell SARs to people who dont work for the company
[2018-03-05 17:44] ID=16846 hairyhorse: were checking with a tax lawyer the legal aspects of how mycelium stated how the funds were raised to thier tax authority
[2018-03-05 17:48] ID=16847 hairyhorse: this press release is probably what will see some people jailed        Towards the end of the crowd sale press release, there is an obscure disclaimer stating that “We think we have found the best solution to be legally compliant, but legal does not always mean right, or true, or secure, or honest. Personally, I would not even bother with trying to get all the papers and legal documents for this, instead just trusting the blockchain records for this much more and waiting for the first precedent protecting the rights written in the blockchain. A public promise to make something is still considered an obligation to do so, and this is exactly what I am doing here. Just to assure you that this crowd sale is legally sound, we have gone through all the necessary internal legal procedures to make this happen”.
[2018-03-05 17:48] ID=16848 RE_ID=16845 Rassah: SARS represent 5% of the company, so when they're converted to shares they would represent 5% of company stock shares. And since they're tokens, the tokens can be transferred.\nYeah, I'm not sure how they got around to be able to sell them to people who don't work for the company
[2018-03-05 17:50] ID=16849 Rassah: You could maybe hold them to the description of this really being 5% ownership stake
[2018-03-05 17:50] ID=16850 DoubleYouSee23: if the mycelium ico hadn't failed it would have been the shining star of all ICOs too
[2018-03-05 17:51] ID=16851 DoubleYouSee23: sucks it went down the way it did
[2018-03-05 17:52] ID=16852 RE_ID=16850 Rassah: If the company/project didn't fail like it did. I don't know why there are still delays. The Testnet SPV plugin came out half a year ago I think. The core rewrite is taking two years now.
[2018-03-05 17:54] ID=16853 hairyhorse: none of the IP adresses buying into it was whitelisted as being outside of the USA I will find some buyers in the US and involve the SEC
[2018-03-05 17:54] ID=16854 DoubleYouSee23: id rather chalk this up to not doing my own dd, pick another wallet and move on, why is everyone so quick to get the fucking govt involved
[2018-03-05 17:55] ID=16855 RE_ID=16853 Rassah: There was a contract you had to sign that said if it's illegal to buy these in your jurisdiction, you are banned from doing so
[2018-03-05 17:55] ID=16856 RE_ID=16855 DoubleYouSee23: at the time i do not believe it was illegal to buy in the us (i know it is now)
[2018-03-05 17:55] ID=16857 hairyhorse: sorry that does not hold water with the SEC unless you tried by blocking IPs they will get involved
[2018-03-05 17:57] ID=16858 hairyhorse: it was always illegal to sell securities with out a license to do so regardless if you say its not a security it still is
[2018-03-05 17:57] ID=16859 RE_ID=16856 Rassah: I don't know. At the time I didn't anyway
[2018-03-05 17:57] ID=16860 Rassah: It's a very convoluted thing
[2018-03-05 17:57] ID=16861 hairyhorse: ignorance is not a defence in the law
[2018-03-05 17:58] ID=16862 Rassah: True, but I wasn't participating either. Their lawyers and the CEO and managers were
[2018-03-05 18:00] ID=16863 RE_ID=16861 Rassah: Although this is pretty unethical in my opinion
[2018-03-05 18:00] ID=16864 Rassah: Any laws that you can break by simply being ignorant of shouldn't even exist
[2018-03-05 18:01] ID=16865 hairyhorse: i believe that and would have moved on as the guy wrote here until they pulled a scam again with Swish that showed it was not a one off but deliberate fraud
[2018-03-05 18:04] ID=16866 hairyhorse: when you can show a persistent trail of fraud it amounts to conspiracy and that carries a jail sentece you dont want to ever hear
[2018-03-05 18:05] ID=16867 Rassah: I wasn't even aware of Swish ICO until... I don't remember, maybe last March? Way after it was done. All I know is it was attempted, failed due to raising only $16k, and the money was supposed to be returned. CEO told me twice he would return it. Apparently it still hasn't been
[2018-03-05 18:06] ID=16868 hairyhorse: that amounts to persistent fraud
[2018-03-05 18:07] ID=16869 Rassah: That, or persistent incompetence.
[2018-03-05 18:07] ID=16870 Rassah: No, wait, not paying back the money is fraud
[2018-03-05 18:08] ID=16871 Rassah: Shouldn't have been spent
[2018-03-05 18:10] ID=16872 hairyhorse: until people like your CEO is thrown out of the crypto world it will never be mainstream crypto has to get a better name than it has and mycelium is going to be held accountable
[2018-03-05 18:11] ID=16873 Rassah: The market is kinda starting to hold it accountable already.
[2018-03-05 18:12] ID=16874 hairyhorse: I will make it my years work to bankrupt them
[2018-03-05 18:12] ID=16875 Rassah: I've been advising people use or move to Edge wallet instead. Probably even better idea now, if you bring the suit.
[2018-03-05 18:13] ID=16876 RE_ID=16874 Rassah: That may be difficult. I think the owner is in Russia right now? His money is in bitcoin, and he moves a lot. At best you could ruin his reputation so he never works in this space again.
[2018-03-05 18:14] ID=16877 hairyhorse: i never was keen on mobile wallets anyway
[2018-03-05 18:14] ID=16878 Rassah: Just keep me out of it. I was against the token idea from the start. They also lied to me when they claimed they would have quarterly financial reports.
[2018-03-05 18:16] ID=16879 Rassah: And when they apparently didn't disclose their current financials when they started selling. Although it seems no ICOs do. Everyone just puts an idea and a token on the market, with nothing else, and everyone dumps money into it
[2018-03-05 18:17] ID=16880 Rassah: Yeah, nah, it's fraud 😑 I'm sorry I found out about it so late
[2018-03-05 18:19] ID=16881 hairyhorse: where did the money come from for Mass network purchase
[2018-03-05 18:24] ID=16882 Rassah: No clue. Didn't know it was bought until much later too
[2018-03-05 18:31] ID=16883 vancitytrader: Lawsuit sounds great, but on a more immediate front do we have any recourse for the colu tokens? I don't care to hear Mycelium was told repeatedly to let their customers know to remove their tokens, we know already they are scammers and f*ck ups. Is there anyone or any way to push to get our back ups from the colu servers?
[2018-03-05 18:32] ID=16884 vancitytrader: This also makes colu look bad. Perhaps we should create a post on Reddit that will get some attention
[2018-03-05 18:34] ID=16885 Rassah: I don't even know who the managers are, or if there are any new ones besides AK. Only person I know is still there is @Giszmo. Maybe he can let us know if there is even any discussion about this.
[2018-03-05 19:29] ID=16886 KryptoDima: None
[2018-03-05 19:30] ID=16887 KryptoDima: Hey friends, help me pls. I trying connect Trezor to Mycelium, but Mycelium cant find any accounts on Trezor - why?
[2018-03-05 20:27] ID=16888 Rassah: Trezor already set up? Does it ask you if you want to access the USB device when you plug it in? At which point does it fail?
[2018-03-05 21:55] ID=16889 Proot: Law suit sound interesting. Please, keep us updated
[2018-03-06 08:17] ID=16890 RE_ID=16888 KryptoDima: no, its all fine, also i install 'Legacy' account, and Mycelium see only Legacy account...
[2018-03-06 12:35] ID=16891 RE_ID=16884 abra_xos: Reddit is certainly a better place to let it know
[2018-03-06 16:55] ID=16893 zihus: 1. Mycelium knows about Colu problems. It is a problem on their side, NOT Mycelium side. Mycelium is trying to work with them to fix everything asap.\n2. Since last crowd sale Mycelium didn't get any external investments and didn't get any valuation. Hence there were no trigger events to make any payments to Mycelium token holders. Until Mycelium becomes public all Mycelium tokens are linked to SAR (as it was described in documents).\n3. Mycelium Wallet is continuing to develop. Next app update will be soon.\n4. If there will be any external investments to Mycelium we will inform token owners and make corresponding payments to them.\n5. I will keep you informed on Mycelium token issues here. You can contact me directly if you have any questions.
[2018-03-06 18:02] ID=16894 RE_ID=16890 Rassah: Oh, yeah, no SegWit support in Mycelium yet.
[2018-03-06 18:03] ID=16895 RE_ID=16893 Rassah: None
[2018-03-06 21:54] ID=16896 VINchain.io ICO LIVE! Softcap reached! - decentralized vehicle history Kate: None
[2018-03-06 21:54] ID=16897 VINchain.io ICO LIVE! Softcap reached! - decentralized vehicle history Kate: Is NEO better then ETH?
[2018-03-06 22:12] ID=16898 RE_ID=16893 sec ond: I have not yet get my token from mycelium and ask how to get it. But you admin never reply. Only someone take legal action you appear. How about the financial report? If I have sar I should have rights to read it.
[2018-03-06 22:28] ID=16899 hairyhorse: 
[2018-03-06 22:38] ID=16900 theultimatum: None
[2018-03-07 06:21] ID=16901 RE_ID=16898 zihus: - Once the problem with Colu will be solved I will explain how to get your token.\n- SAR is not share, but stock appreciation right. It is linked to company valuation. SAR holders get payments in case of valuation growth at moment of liquidity event. \n- Valuation of hi-tech company is more connected to its user base and growth than its financial report. \n- Mycelium Wallet still doesn't generate profit, but demonstrates 10% *monthly* growth of its user base.
[2018-03-07 10:07] ID=16902 ShortFatUglyDumb: Glad to see another admin in the group. Thanks for the updates! (Rassah has been very generous donating his time here, even though he doesn't work for Mycelium anymore.)
[2018-03-07 11:21] ID=16903 duncan idaho: It's funny that, when people ask about MT, there wer na admins or company representatn here or somewhere else. But when people are writing about lawsuit then you appear.
[2018-03-07 22:22] ID=16904 thorbjorn: It's great to hear they are working on the Colu problem though. I also am not able to log in, the dashboard claims the login token is not found after clicking on the link in the login email.
[2018-03-07 22:23] ID=16905 RE_ID=16904 theultimatum: 😂 Just threaten a class action suit and watch how progress picks up
[2018-03-08 07:44] ID=16906 Proot: It is essential to inform your supporters. Also, to fix Colu problem. A lot of people are still waiting.
[2018-03-08 07:46] ID=16907 Proot: The good thing is that a lot of people who invested have become really prosperous and have all resource needed for class action suits :)
[2018-03-08 13:50] ID=16908 ReidAbdKarim: Hi, i hv a question.. Previous i want to change my phone, so i exported my private key.. Then got an extended key.. Then when i try to recover it back using mycelium, i can see the balance but it says that its a watch only wallet.. I cant do any transactions.. So, which step that wrong actually because i only have the xprv extended key not the phrase or seed..
[2018-03-08 18:53] ID=16909 zihus: Update:\nColu started to fix and sync their servers. Hope, next week it will be fully functional.\nColu will not support ColoredCoins in future and will give it to society.
[2018-03-09 05:37] ID=16910 RE_ID=16908 zihus: It seems you have exported xpub (public key), but not xpriv (private key).
[2018-03-09 06:29] ID=16911 RE_ID=16910 ReidAbdKarim: I believed so
[2018-03-09 09:04] ID=16914 ShortFatUglyDumb: @admin
[2018-03-09 10:54] ID=16915 ???: None
[2018-03-09 10:54] ID=16916 ???: Hi
[2018-03-09 13:13] ID=16917 RE_ID=16909 thorbjorn: Seems like both good news and bad. Please keep us updated on what is the recommended way to hold the MT. Should we send them to Mycelium once the Colu dashboard works again?
[2018-03-09 15:18] ID=16918 Rassah: That's probably the best way, especially since you can back that up easier
[2018-03-09 15:19] ID=16919 RE_ID=16917 zihus: Yes. I will give all instructions.
[2018-03-09 20:53] ID=16921 hairyhorse: Well after employing someone to check out Mr kuzmin and his league of friends I have come up with some intereting facts in the first day.This is the third Scam ico that Kuzin et al has been involved in.Some bullet points to I get all the info that I will pass on to Law enforcements in the UK and USA  plus the SEC and FSA.
[2018-03-09 20:55] ID=16922 hairyhorse: Mycelium ico funds were used to purchase Mass Networks and they ran an ICO and the funds were never heard of again
[2018-03-09 20:57] ID=16924 hairyhorse: Mass network ran an ICO that took in a huge amount of money via bitcoin but has developed nothing not even a workable browser
[2018-03-09 21:01] ID=16925 hairyhorse: Swish coin ran an ico but failed to meet soft target funds kept again by Kuzmin
[2018-03-09 21:03] ID=16926 hairyhorse: During the mycelium share sale or whatever it actually was Kuzmin was using an address in the SF bay area a US resident
[2018-03-09 21:03] ID=16927 hairyhorse: Kuzmin was involved in the waves ICO
[2018-03-09 21:04] ID=16928 hairyhorse: Says alot for Sasha
[2018-03-09 21:06] ID=16929 hairyhorse: Mass coin is on colu but lost like MT token
[2018-03-09 21:10] ID=16930 RE_ID=16922 Rassah: How did you find this out?
[2018-03-09 21:11] ID=16931 hairyhorse: on his linkedin and twitter account Kuzmin gives his address as San Francisco
[2018-03-09 21:11] ID=16932 hairyhorse: from a guy who I hired to get me info a private detective
[2018-03-09 21:12] ID=16933 Rassah: He was in SF briefly, yes. He lived in Vienna, then moved to SF/Silicon Valley in hopes of finding good developers and investment for the wallet, cause that's where all tech startups go, but it was too expensive to live and work there, so he moved to Russia, also hoping to find developers but cheaper. That's the last I heard.
[2018-03-09 21:14] ID=16934 hairyhorse: he was resident in the US during mycelium ICO he moved offices to Moscow later
[2018-03-09 21:15] ID=16935 Rassah: But, I wasn't aware of anything that showed they used Mycelium ICO funds to buy Mass Network. Mass had an ICO, failed as a company, and Mycelium, or from what I was told, AK himself, bought Mass to try to fix it. I don't know who's money was used
[2018-03-09 21:16] ID=16936 sabotagebeats: if i haven't moved my tokens from crowdsale.mycelium.com and i still see them there, are they safe from the colu problem?
[2018-03-09 21:17] ID=16937 hairyhorse: I can get two ex devs to give written evidence to back up most of what i have said
[2018-03-09 21:18] ID=16938 RE_ID=16936 Rassah: Maybe? I don't know where Mycelium stored its own tokens that it didn't issue to investor's Colu wallets. Hopefully not their own Colu wallet
[2018-03-09 21:18] ID=16939 hairyhorse: he has links to BTCC exchange but they are still digging in to what capacity
[2018-03-09 21:18] ID=16940 RE_ID=16937 Rassah: Mass devs I guess? Wallet devs were pretty much out of the loop
[2018-03-09 21:19] ID=16941 Rassah: Maybe Gear devs too. Those guys worked much closer to AK
[2018-03-09 21:20] ID=16942 hairyhorse: do you know the guy who they called Oshepkov
[2018-03-09 21:21] ID=16943 Rassah: Not really. Name sounds familiar, but not one I heard in the company
[2018-03-09 21:23] ID=16944 hairyhorse: he also used the name Kontegna
[2018-03-09 21:23] ID=16945 Rassah: Never heard that one
[2018-03-09 21:24] ID=16946 hairyhorse: well these guys have just been at it a day will prob no more over weekend
[2018-03-09 21:24] ID=16947 hairyhorse: know
[2018-03-09 21:24] ID=16948 Rassah: Ok
[2018-03-09 21:26] ID=16949 hairyhorse: oh and a guy by the name of Pankov is up to his neck in all the scams along with kuzmin
[2018-03-09 22:34] ID=16950 KryptoDima: Developers planned support segwit???
[2018-03-11 13:58] ID=16951 W G: None
[2018-03-11 13:59] ID=16952 RE_ID=16950 zihus: Yes, in summer.
[2018-03-11 14:00] ID=16953 cvennekel: @zihus who are you and what do you do at mycelium?
[2018-03-12 04:15] ID=16954 dilanwu: None
[2018-03-12 14:53] ID=16955 vancitytrader: Some interesting developments. Interesting how all of a sudden now that marks been involved
[2018-03-12 14:54] ID=16956 vancitytrader: I understand what the SARS mean, but the reality is nobody will ever give money to Mycelium again, as their rep has been tainted. This effectively means there will be no valuation and in turn no payments to MT token holders as no new money will be coming in
[2018-03-12 14:55] ID=16957 vancitytrader: The only way to make this right is to offer profits to the MT token holders now that mycelium is slightly profitable
[2018-03-12 14:55] ID=16958 vancitytrader: I don't see any other way Mycelium gets their rep back
[2018-03-12 15:53] ID=16959 Rassah: Agreed
[2018-03-12 18:03] ID=16960 Wordswords101: Hearing something reassuring from the boss would be a small help
[2018-03-12 19:59] ID=16961 zihus: Update:\n1. In shorterm period we plan to convert MT tokens to ERC20, in midterm - convert tokens to direct share ownership\n2. Mycelium wants to hire person, responsible for PR and communication with investors (including token owners). Could you suggest proper candidates?
[2018-03-12 20:00] ID=16962 RE_ID=16961 theultimatum: So guys, just threaten with a credible lawsuit and see the updates flow...
[2018-03-12 21:19] ID=16963 vancitytrader: That's interesting. Erc 20. Let's focus on getting our tokens out from colu first please . That's immediate term
[2018-03-12 21:20] ID=16964 vancitytrader: Direct share ownership sounds like what it should have been initially. It sounds to me they are playing patch work, but I can admit that would be good if these above things were to happen
[2018-03-13 04:55] ID=16965 Demagic: None
[2018-03-13 05:04] ID=16966 Demagic: Mycelium Wallet, I keep getting error Cant synchronise, what does that mean, what can I do
[2018-03-13 05:04] ID=16967 DoubleYouSee23: 
[2018-03-13 05:07] ID=16968 RE_ID=16966 Rassah: Force close the app and start it again. Hopefully it connects to a different server
[2018-03-13 05:07] ID=16969 Rassah: I don't work for Mycelium anymore, but that sentence just popped out as a force of habbit
[2018-03-13 05:08] ID=16970 Demagic: Thanks. but you have admin name att.
[2018-03-13 05:20] ID=16971 Rassah: Unfortunately I don't have a choice. I started this group, and Telegram doesn't let you pass on a group to someone else. If I leave, the group will shut down
[2018-03-13 12:15] ID=16973 igsky: None
[2018-03-13 14:56] ID=16974 bbbboytsov: None
[2018-03-13 15:42] ID=16975 therealdeal777: None
[2018-03-13 15:44] ID=16976 RE_ID=16968 therealdeal777: And how do you force close the Myceliumwallet app on an iPhone ? Bitcoins had been sent to my wallet since 5 hours ago and all I see is that they Myceliumwallet can’t synchronize
[2018-03-13 15:50] ID=16977 Rassah: Oh. Don't use Mycelium on the iPhone. It hasn't been supported in a while. I'd suggest Edge wallet
[2018-03-13 15:51] ID=16978 Rassah: iPhone I think connects to only one server, and if that server is down, you're out of luck
[2018-03-13 15:55] ID=16979 therealdeal777: Because I can see the transaction on the block chain
[2018-03-13 15:56] ID=16980 therealdeal777: So it means funds are lost then ? I sent the coins from my localbitcoins.com wallet to my Myceliumwallet
[2018-03-13 16:21] ID=16981 RomHtk: However, the application for Iphone can be downloaded from https://wallet.mycelium.com/contact.html which is the official website, what's this about not using on Iphone!?
[2018-03-13 16:52] ID=16982 RE_ID=16981 therealdeal777: Am just confused. I can see the transaction on the blockchain but not coins not arriving in my Myceliumwallet
[2018-03-13 16:53] ID=16983 RE_ID=16982 theultimatum: Are they confirmed?
[2018-03-13 16:53] ID=16984 theultimatum: (the Tx)
[2018-03-13 16:53] ID=16985 RE_ID=16982 RomHtk: Sometime it can take Hours to days ....
[2018-03-13 16:54] ID=16986 RE_ID=16985 theultimatum: 
[2018-03-13 16:55] ID=16987 RE_ID=16983 RomHtk: That another important answer
[2018-03-13 17:04] ID=16988 RE_ID=16983 therealdeal777: Yeah they have been confirmed from my wallet from localbitcoins but not received anything funds in my Myceliumwallet
[2018-03-13 17:05] ID=16989 RE_ID=16985 therealdeal777: Ok thanks, I guess will just have to be patient then
[2018-03-13 17:20] ID=16990 RE_ID=16980 Rassah: Just means your app can't see it until the Mycelium server it connects to synchronises properly
[2018-03-13 17:22] ID=16991 Rassah: Mycelium wallet apps don't connect directly to the blockchain. They connect to servers run by Mycelium, which parse the blockchain into easy to check addresses with balances. Bitcoin doesn't actually store address balances in the blockchain. Just inputs and outputs that you have to add up.
[2018-03-13 17:23] ID=16992 Rassah: Android wallet connects to one of three Mycelium nodes. iPhone only connects to one. the iPhone dev who wrote that app left years ago, and I don't think it was ever updated to connect to any of the other nodes. Either way, probably not a good app choice for iPhone until they get some iPhone developers working on updating it
[2018-03-13 18:28] ID=16996 RE_ID=16979 cvennekel: it is unconfirmed I'd assume?
[2018-03-13 18:28] ID=16997 cvennekel: likely it will show when confirmed
[2018-03-13 18:29] ID=16998 cvennekel: the node that iOS connects to has a treshold of minimum sat/byte tx to display, but it picks them up usually once confirmed
[2018-03-13 18:50] ID=16999 Rassah: Could also be SegWit transaction. Legacy doesn't see SegWit tx's until they are in a block
[2018-03-13 23:31] ID=17001 RE_ID=17000 theultimatum: 
[2018-03-13 23:39] ID=17003 Rassah: I still enjoy banning and spam reporting those types
[2018-03-13 23:41] ID=17004 DoubleYouSee23: 
[2018-03-13 23:41] ID=17005 DoubleYouSee23: in case you need a banhammer
[2018-03-13 23:46] ID=17006 theultimatum: :D thanks for not deleting my post!
[2018-03-14 13:24] ID=17007 RE_ID=16996 therealdeal777: I sent the coins from my localbitcoins wallet to my Myceliumwallet and it’s already been confirm from localbitcoins wallet but when I check my Myceliumwallet wallet, it’s still shows 0.00 $
[2018-03-14 13:25] ID=17008 RE_ID=16983 therealdeal777: Yes they been confirmed from my localbitcoins wallet but still haven’t received the coins in my Myceliumwallet. When I checked the transaction on blockchain, it’s shows it already been confirmed
[2018-03-14 13:35] ID=17009 Rassah: You have your back up words?
[2018-03-14 13:37] ID=17010 Rassah: If yes, install a BIP39 compatible wallet and restore your backup. Check if the funds show up in that
[2018-03-14 16:58] ID=17011 Ivek: Dear Dev's I think it is time to add SEGWIT to Mycelium please.....
[2018-03-14 17:02] ID=17012 SergeyLappo: ...
[2018-03-14 17:02] ID=17013 SergeyLappo: Yes, in summer.
[2018-03-14 17:03] ID=17014 Ivek: Thnx for info.
[2018-03-14 17:47] ID=17015 RE_ID=17010 therealdeal777: Ok am gonna do that. Thank you
[2018-03-14 18:19] ID=17016 RE_ID=17010 therealdeal777: I am just completely lost about this BIP39 compatible wallet. Is it another wallet that I will have to download and then insert my Mycelium seeds in it ?
[2018-03-14 18:20] ID=17017 Rassah: Yes. One that works with the 12 word standard.
[2018-03-14 18:23] ID=17018 therealdeal777: Yeah
[2018-03-14 18:25] ID=17019 therealdeal777: Am sorry but am totally lost here😌😌😌😌😌
[2018-03-14 18:27] ID=17020 Rassah: You have your 12 word backup?
[2018-03-14 18:29] ID=17021 therealdeal777: Yeah which I got when I was creating an account with Mycelium
[2018-03-14 18:37] ID=17022 RE_ID=16893 therealdeal777: I transferred bitcoins to my Myceliumwallet wallet and is been more than 2 days now and the coins haven’t yet arrived in my Mycelium wallet. Can you please elaborate to me what is going on ?
[2018-03-14 18:41] ID=17023 Rassah: As I said, it probably is connecting to a Muslim server that is stuck.
[2018-03-14 18:42] ID=17024 Rassah: So install a different wallet, NOT Mycelium, and restore your backup. The backup is a BIP39 standard. You can Google that
[2018-03-14 18:43] ID=17025 therealdeal777: Ok thank you, am on it now
[2018-03-14 18:43] ID=17026 therealdeal777: So what other what can you suggest that I install ?
[2018-03-14 18:46] ID=17027 Rassah: Try Bread wallet. I think that supports BIP39. I think Blockchain.info does too
[2018-03-14 18:47] ID=17028 Rassah: One I would actually recommend is Airbitz's Edge wallet, but it doesn't support BIP39 for restoring backups, so if you do use that one, you'll have to send money from your old one to that one.
[2018-03-14 18:47] ID=17029 Rassah: I don't have an iPhone, so I don't know much about what's available on there
[2018-03-14 19:05] ID=17030 cvennekel: Breadwallet for example
[2018-03-14 19:05] ID=17031 cvennekel: Is good
[2018-03-14 19:06] ID=17032 therealdeal777: Ok thanks
[2018-03-14 19:06] ID=17033 therealdeal777: Lemme be on it and will let you know it’s the outcome
[2018-03-15 07:34] ID=17034 RE_ID=17028 therealdeal777: The money already left the old wallet and it’s stuck on the blockchain as I can say, because I see it the transaction on the blockchain. I installed the breadwallet, used my seeds from my Mycelium but it’s has been syncing for more than 5 hours hey
[2018-03-15 07:36] ID=17035 RE_ID=17030 therealdeal777: Installed the breadwallet, used my Mycelium seeds but breadwallet has been syncing for more than 8 hours now and there’s nothing happening
[2018-03-15 07:36] ID=17036 cvennekel: thats way too long
[2018-03-15 07:36] ID=17037 cvennekel: it uses spv
[2018-03-15 07:36] ID=17038 cvennekel: should take minues max, like 5
[2018-03-15 07:37] ID=17039 cvennekel: do you have an address?
[2018-03-15 07:37] ID=17040 cvennekel: use smartbit.com.au so you only have to type in a couple of characters rather than the whole adress
[2018-03-15 07:39] ID=17041 RE_ID=17040 therealdeal777: Ok thanks am gonna try it now
[2018-03-15 12:20] ID=17042 Criptofriend: zihus  I have managed to access my COLU wallet, and I have backed up the private key. I tried to send the MT token to my mycelium wallet, but it has given me an error, I think it is because I do not have enough BTC, but I do not even see a BTC address. What do you recommend us now? send the token or wait?
[2018-03-15 12:22] ID=17043 RE_ID=17042 zihus: At this moment just keep your private key. It will be enough. You will be able to convert your token to ERC20 token from Colu wallet. I will send instruction soon.
[2018-03-15 12:23] ID=17044 RE_ID=17043 DoubleYouSee23: Wait what? Erc20? No. I did not invest in an eth project, I invested in a btc project.
[2018-03-15 12:24] ID=17045 DoubleYouSee23: This just gets better and better...
[2018-03-15 12:25] ID=17046 Criptofriend: zihus  I will wait for instructions. You can imagine that as soon as I was able to enter COLU wallet, I wanted to transfer my MT token, but I could not.
[2018-03-15 15:45] ID=17047 ReverseCold: Should've used NEM for storing tokens 😛
[2018-03-15 15:46] ID=17048 ReverseCold: though idk what the tokens are
[2018-03-15 15:46] ID=17049 ReverseCold: I use mycelium because its a pretty cool bitcoin wallet
[2018-03-16 09:20] ID=17050 Criptofriend: Well, one thing is the Mycelium wallet and another is the Mycelium token. It is logical that they can be intimately united, but if an ERC20 token is the most practical right now to have our Mycelium tokens, I do not see any major problem. That is not going to affect the development of the Mycelium wallet, which is what interests us all, to continue the development so that it remains one of the most used wallets.
[2018-03-16 09:23] ID=17051 Criptofriend: anything better than how it is now in COLU, in a wallet that they can turn off overnight and leave us without our tokens. We can save our private keys, but I do not know another easy-to-use coloredcoin wallet right now.
[2018-03-16 09:35] ID=17052 RE_ID=17050 zihus: We are working on ETH and ERC20 tokens module. Soon Mycelium Wallet will be able to keep ETH. Hence ERC20 MT tokens will be kept in our wallet.
[2018-03-16 09:36] ID=17053 Criptofriend: 👍 Fantastic!
[2018-03-16 09:37] ID=17054 Criptofriend: thanks for the clarification!!
[2018-03-16 09:39] ID=17055 zihus: We are searching for UX/UI specialist with good working experience of Mycelium Wallet or any other cryptowallet. Could somebody in the society recommend such pro?
[2018-03-16 09:45] ID=17056 RE_ID=17052 DoubleYouSee23: Oh that's cool. you'd mentioned earlier instructions on transferring MT to eth, will that include if you ha e already claimed your tokens from colu?
[2018-03-16 09:46] ID=17057 RE_ID=17056 zihus: Yes, we will cover all cases.
[2018-03-16 09:46] ID=17058 DoubleYouSee23: 
[2018-03-16 11:04] ID=17059 RE_ID=17055 zihus: None
[2018-03-16 11:06] ID=17060 RE_ID=17055 cvennekel: Working on a retainer possible?
[2018-03-16 11:09] ID=17061 RE_ID=17052 mishax1: Why?  Never seen a user holding eth/erc20 tokens on a mobile wallet.. don't really understand the need.\nHow about working the on lightning network? Shouldn't it be a higher priority? Just like Segwit?
[2018-03-16 11:09] ID=17062 Sergiusini: None
[2018-03-16 11:10] ID=17063 RE_ID=17061 zihus: We are focusing on features, which can generate cash flow.
[2018-03-16 11:11] ID=17064 zihus: Lighting network and Segwit are also in pipeline.
[2018-03-16 11:17] ID=17065 mishax1: Well, you can also benefit from being a big LN node since mycelium is one of the popular bitcoin wallets.\nThough I have switched to samourai for the segwit txs..
[2018-03-16 11:42] ID=17066 RE_ID=17065 zihus: Thanks for idea. I have heard you.
[2018-03-16 14:32] ID=17067 Cme: Make Mycelium Great Again! 👍
[2018-03-16 22:17] ID=17068 RE_ID=17067 alete89: +1
[2018-03-17 08:54] ID=17069 RE_ID=17064 ShortFatUglyDumb: 👍
[2018-03-18 03:56] ID=17072 kylin: 
[2018-03-18 03:57] ID=17073 kylin: asset was not sent
[2018-03-18 03:58] ID=17074 kylin: I sent Bitcoin to this account but did not receive it
[2018-03-18 03:59] ID=17075 Rassah: Scroll up. Someone else has this same issue
[2018-03-18 04:02] ID=17076 kylin: I need to transfer these assets to my Mycelium Wallet
[2018-03-18 04:02] ID=17077 kylin: @Rassah what should I do
[2018-03-18 04:21] ID=17078 Rassah: I don't know...
[2018-03-18 04:54] ID=17079 RE_ID=17074 therealdeal777: I had the same issue as you. It’s been 6 days now and I still haven’t received my coins
[2018-03-18 05:08] ID=17080 RE_ID=17067 dvbtc: +
[2018-03-19 05:49] ID=17081 PraetorianPrefect: None
[2018-03-19 18:47] ID=17085 Zena Star: None
[2018-03-19 21:07] ID=17086 hairyhorse: We hope to have a dossier on the fraud committed by members of mycelium finished within the week and sent off to the appropriate law enforcement agencies in 4  countries
[2018-03-19 21:11] ID=17087 jaisau: 👏👏👏👏
[2018-03-19 22:51] ID=17088 Transisto: Great!
[2018-03-19 23:41] ID=17089 Transisto: 
[2018-03-19 23:42] ID=17090 Transisto: The only app I never update.
[2018-03-20 02:43] ID=17091 ShortFatUglyDumb: Yeah, I'm also conservative abt upd8ing my Mycelium app.
[2018-03-20 07:16] ID=17092 RE_ID=17086 zihus: I don't understand your motivation. MT tokens are directly linked to valuation of Mycelium Wallet. By starting litigation you ruin Wallet valuation and any liquidity events, hence destroy your token investments and of all other token holders.
[2018-03-20 11:38] ID=17093 Ivan: None
[2018-03-20 13:42] ID=17095 PraetorianPrefect: His motivation is probably the radio silence and secrecy behind the MT tokens funds. Having employees cite they quit over that and engage in media organizations looks bad. I invested too, in the double digits of actual BTC. Communication is key, and there has been nothing positive from current or former MC employees about this matter so I can't blame him.
[2018-03-20 15:02] ID=17096 RE_ID=17092 Rassah: What's the value of the token right now?
[2018-03-20 15:03] ID=17097 Rassah: If it's practically zero, then there's nothing left to lose
[2018-03-20 15:03] ID=17098 zihus: We assume it at least doubled.
[2018-03-20 15:04] ID=17099 zihus: We don't look at investment proposal if the valuation is less.
[2018-03-20 15:05] ID=17100 zihus: We are in constant contact with potential investors. And liquidity event may once happen.
[2018-03-20 15:07] ID=17101 Rassah: That would be great. You should post more about that. Constantly. I was annoyed because I almost never heard anything from AK, and didn't know what was going on inside the company or with the money. If you have that information and that level of access, you really should share.
[2018-03-20 15:08] ID=17102 Rassah: It would be nice to know how the money raised was spent too. May help save the company (or may tank it if it turns out it was embezzled)
[2018-03-20 15:12] ID=17103 zihus: Later we would prepare detailed report how money raised was spent. We will do it once we get audited report.
[2018-03-20 15:35] ID=17104 PraetorianPrefect: Well said Rassah. Here's to hoping the company is both more transparent and communicates more.
[2018-03-20 16:00] ID=17105 RE_ID=16961 SergeyLappo: @Dima, Zihus said, Mycelium is looking for someone responsible for communications...
[2018-03-20 16:43] ID=17107 RE_ID=17105 PraetorianPrefect: That's good. Talking and action are two separate things however. I would certainly hope it doesn't take an additional two years for such communication to be propagated.
[2018-03-20 16:44] ID=17108 PraetorianPrefect: Did you delete your post, Rassah?
[2018-03-20 16:44] ID=17109 Rassah: Sorry, was to the wrong Dima. I'm Dmitry too
[2018-03-20 16:44] ID=17110 Rassah: Thought they were talking to me
[2018-03-20 16:45] ID=17111 PraetorianPrefect: Gotcha. Didn't know you were a Dima too :) Saw it popped up and in the middle of reading, it disappeared. Just wanted to make sure it was you that deleted it.
[2018-03-20 16:48] ID=17112 Rassah: It was
[2018-03-20 16:56] ID=17113 RE_ID=17105 Rassah: Hey, can you ask someone to remove my name from https://wallet.mycelium.com/about.html please?
[2018-03-20 16:56] ID=17114 Rassah: There are a lot of people there who aren't working for the company anymore
[2018-03-20 18:36] ID=17115 RE_ID=17086 therealdeal777: I am with you Mark Haynes. I think Mycelium is a fraud hey
[2018-03-20 18:38] ID=17116 therealdeal777: Mycelium where are my coins ?
[2018-03-20 23:13] ID=17117 athconstantine: None
[2018-03-20 23:14] ID=17118 athconstantine: Hello 👋
[2018-03-20 23:15] ID=17119 RE_ID=17118 theultimatum: Air your grievances
[2018-03-20 23:16] ID=17120 RE_ID=17119 athconstantine: Sorry I don't understand you
[2018-03-20 23:17] ID=17121 theultimatum: Never mind. What brings you here?
[2018-03-20 23:19] ID=17122 athconstantine: I use the mycelium is the best and I find the group in telegram
[2018-03-20 23:20] ID=17123 athconstantine: I like to talk to people and learn new things
[2018-03-20 23:20] ID=17124 theultimatum: Ah ok well just hang out. Not too much happens here
[2018-03-20 23:21] ID=17125 athconstantine: Hmm?
[2018-03-20 23:22] ID=17126 athconstantine: You have here 421 person in this group what's the problem?
[2018-03-21 00:05] ID=17127 Rassah: Group is generally quiet
[2018-03-21 08:06] ID=17128 RE_ID=17113 cvennekel: +1
[2018-03-21 08:30] ID=17129 Antonio: Still waiting for my Swish refund here 😒
[2018-03-21 08:39] ID=17130 DoubleYouSee23: same
[2018-03-22 00:46] ID=17131 CarlosUchiha: None
[2018-03-22 00:46] ID=17132 CarlosUchiha: Hi
[2018-03-22 00:48] ID=17133 CarlosUchiha: I want to know if i can pass money from mycelium wallet to another wallet?
[2018-03-22 01:32] ID=17134 RE_ID=17133 theultimatum: ?
[2018-03-22 01:33] ID=17135 CarlosUchiha: I have btc in mycelium
[2018-03-22 01:34] ID=17136 CarlosUchiha: But i want those btc in coinbase
[2018-03-22 01:36] ID=17137 theultimatum: Send away my friend
[2018-03-22 01:51] ID=17138 CarlosUchiha: Where?
[2018-03-22 01:56] ID=17139 theultimatum: Send to the Coinbase BTC address you have.
[2018-03-22 02:35] ID=17140 CarlosUchiha: I can't
[2018-03-22 02:36] ID=17141 CarlosUchiha: The Mony return to me
[2018-03-22 02:37] ID=17142 RE_ID=17141 theultimatum: Increase your fee
[2018-03-22 02:37] ID=17143 CarlosUchiha: How?
[2018-03-22 03:10] ID=17144 Rassah: What happened exactly? You scanned a Coinbase address, hit Send, and it never confirmed?
[2018-03-22 05:28] ID=17145 ShortFatUglyDumb: Also, have u successfully sent funds from Mycelium to elsewhere recently?
[2018-03-22 05:32] ID=17146 RE_ID=17141 therealdeal777: I think Mycelium is fucked. It’s been 2 weeks now and I send coins to my Mycelium wallet address and coins are stuck on the blockchain
[2018-03-22 05:33] ID=17147 Rassah: Confirmed?
[2018-03-22 05:34] ID=17148 Rassah: I mean, has the transaction on the blockchain confirmed?
[2018-03-22 05:34] ID=17149 Rassah: If yes, use google and figure out how to import your Mycelium backup into another wallet
[2018-03-22 07:14] ID=17150 rushyeah: guys please send all needed docs to rmc dev Alex D so he can do the work to make new blockchain rmc token available again on myceliym. thank you
[2018-03-22 07:34] ID=17151 RE_ID=17150 athconstantine: 
[2018-03-22 07:37] ID=17152 Ждун Мультиклеточный: None
[2018-03-22 07:37] ID=17153 RE_ID=17146 athconstantine: I will try many wallet and I think 🤔 mycelium is a bester. I work mycelium in my android devices and I don't have problem!
[2018-03-22 07:56] ID=17154 Ждун Мультиклеточный: Gentlemens, we've been waiting two weeks for an answer on the RMS, can we speed up the process? I want to see there the tokens, not the wrappers!
[2018-03-22 08:22] ID=17155 Antonio: I used mycelium 3 days ago to send to bitfinex without issues..
[2018-03-22 09:00] ID=17156 Lucask13: None
[2018-03-22 10:13] ID=17157 cevapi: None
[2018-03-22 11:30] ID=17158 criptoBart: None
[2018-03-22 11:31] ID=17159 criptoBart: Hi, something help me ??? from January 31 I do not receive the dividend, in the account of rmc marks 0.015 btc, how can I credit them? I have mycelium in emulator android on PC
[2018-03-22 13:41] ID=17160 RE_ID=17153 Rassah: That guy has an iPhone. Mycelium seems to be broken on iPhones
[2018-03-22 15:46] ID=17161 RE_ID=17160 athconstantine: Is there a case for us to have a problem with Android?
[2018-03-22 18:54] ID=17162 alete89: Andrew Matthews:\nhttps://techcrunch.com/2018/03/21/a-15-year-old-hacked-the-secure-ledger-crypto-wallet/
[2018-03-23 03:57] ID=17163 ReverseCold: IMO that's not even an exploit
[2018-03-23 03:57] ID=17164 ReverseCold: "I can hack this when I have physical access to it"
[2018-03-23 03:57] ID=17165 ReverseCold: Ledger is dumb for saying they made a device that can't be hacked when given physical access
[2018-03-23 09:21] ID=17166 RE_ID=17072 ImadL: what is this wallet?
[2018-03-23 12:12] ID=17167 RE_ID=17166 thorbjorn: That's the Colu Dashboard.
[2018-03-23 12:15] ID=17168 RE_ID=17165 thorbjorn: It's very important that physical tokens can't be hacked when having physical access, since they can be lost or stolen. They may be dumb making such a bold statement, but they should definitely make every effort to secure the devices also against hackers with physical access.
[2018-03-23 13:28] ID=17169 hairyhorse: How would the people here think about crowd funding the remaining 95% of mycelium wallet and paying back the original investors and making this a community wallet with a full dev team not the scam it is just now
[2018-03-23 13:34] ID=17170 RE_ID=17168 ReverseCold: They can try, but it's impossible to build a device that secure from hardware attacks unless you have to enter a full private key on every boot or something.
[2018-03-23 13:49] ID=17171 RE_ID=17170 thorbjorn: In general it's enough to make compromising the device very hard and time consuming.
[2018-03-23 13:50] ID=17172 thorbjorn: Requiring entering the private key on every boot would of course defeat the purpose of the device. It would also not be more secure, since there will be more occasions for attackers to be able to intercept this private key.
[2018-03-23 13:50] ID=17173 ReverseCold: Most hardware security devices can be glitched with an FPGA an hour anyway.
[2018-03-23 13:50] ID=17174 RE_ID=17172 ReverseCold: Yup
[2018-03-23 13:51] ID=17175 ReverseCold: And it already is reasonably hard and time consuming to rewrite the firmware.
[2018-03-23 13:54] ID=17176 thorbjorn: I can't verify your claim about hardware wallets being easy to hack using an FPGA. Do you have some link to back this up?
[2018-03-23 13:59] ID=17177 CoolCashOnline: You can't. Hacking a hardware wallet would require exploiting a flaw. Usually through a memory loophole, etc.
[2018-03-23 14:08] ID=17178 RE_ID=17169 Rassah: I doubt the owner would be willing to sell the remaining 95%
[2018-03-23 15:26] ID=17180 RE_ID=17055 hairyhorse: Are you going to pay this one as the last Devs lost out on payments
[2018-03-25 00:44] ID=17184 loyzazbtc: None
[2018-03-25 22:18] ID=17185 RE_ID=16919 jaisau: When instructions?
[2018-03-26 05:13] ID=17186 PraetorianPrefect: It appears as Mycelium is defunct, or close to it. Personnel aren't even being properly updated on the website. Sad!
[2018-03-26 08:56] ID=17187 RE_ID=17186 athconstantine: 😢
[2018-03-26 12:00] ID=17188 thorbjorn: It only means they are currently not employing a web developer.
[2018-03-26 12:01] ID=17189 thorbjorn: Looking at https://github.com/mycelium-com there are several devs working on SPV modules, in recent days mostly the one for BCH.
[2018-03-26 12:09] ID=17190 PraetorianPrefect: You don't need a web developer to remove numerous employee listings that haven't been with the company for over a year. Updating the front of the house and having a high level of consistency is important. Unfortunately, there appear to be neither of those.
[2018-03-26 12:36] ID=17191 thorbjorn: I agree, but concluding the company is defunct is far fetched.
[2018-03-26 15:24] ID=17192 PraetorianPrefect: Unfortunately, the actions (and inactions) over the last few years has moved the company to the lowest point ever. It's a shadow of what it once was. I used to absolutely love MC too. Sad!
[2018-03-26 15:38] ID=17193 RE_ID=17189 Rassah: I thought Mycelium wasn't going to bother with BCH. Huh...
[2018-03-26 16:19] ID=17194 thorbjorn: I hope it allows me to carry some BCH next time the Bitcoin network becomes congested.
[2018-03-26 16:22] ID=17195 PraetorianPrefect: Just use LN and Segwit :)
[2018-03-26 17:43] ID=17196 bigs21024: How are tokens doing lol
[2018-03-27 07:52] ID=17197 duncan idaho: Mycelium hav eonly one chance to back in glory, be te first main-net lighting network mobile wallet
[2018-03-27 08:00] ID=17198 BB_Martino: They'd need to add segwit first.
[2018-03-27 14:14] ID=17199 RE_ID=17198 Giszmo: not really. we are soon releasing our modularization framework. in fact our efforts in that direction are released to github (3 repos) and to google play testnet (wallet and bch module) and prodnet (bch module). The prodnet wallet is in release testing and last week on monday for the first time did I update my every-day prodnet wallet to it ... and we found issues we hadn't found on our testnet wallets.\n\nNow this modularization was announced since a long time and we explained before how this relates to a lightning integration but here we go again: With a modular wallet, we can\n\n* add lightning as a module\n* without bloating the wallet's codebase\n* without exposing all your bitcoins to potential vulnerabilities in both LN and the LN library\n* still covering your LN accounts with your masterseed backup\n\nWith LN as a module, we would not necessarily add SegWit to our wallet but our moduleLN would use SegWit.
[2018-03-27 14:21] ID=17200 Giszmo: That said, once modularization is stable and released, we will probably find more issues and keep fixing issues for some days. We then have to release a second alt-coin and for that, improve our generic support of modules. The Dash team is working on that and I'm following their change requests for the wallet and the modularization framework. At this point, we probably can free developer resources to work on other burning issues. I personally would love to dive into moduleLN but I'm not in charge of making these decisions. Maybe LN module is already being worked on.
[2018-03-27 15:07] ID=17201 Rassah: Is BCH for Testnet wallet only? I don't see a main net modularization app.\nAlso I thought you guys hated BCH and wouldn't add it?
[2018-03-27 15:08] ID=17202 Rassah: Also who's in charge now? Still Jerome?
[2018-03-27 15:10] ID=17203 RE_ID=17201 SergeyLappo: “The prodnet wallet is in release testing”
[2018-03-27 15:27] ID=17204 Rassah: Downloaded it, but didn't find a way to add BCH account, and all modularization add-ons are for Testnet. That's why I asked
[2018-03-27 18:52] ID=17205 Dirkie2807: None
[2018-03-27 18:55] ID=17206 Dirkie2807: Hey i have try to sync my Trezor it works so far , but in mycelium no bitcoin will shown in my wallet in the app balance is „0“ , can any one help me 😞
[2018-03-27 18:55] ID=17207 Rassah: Is your Trezor account SegWit or Legacy?
[2018-03-27 18:56] ID=17208 Dirkie2807: Is the normal SegWit
[2018-03-27 18:56] ID=17209 Dirkie2807: Oh ... Hey Thx
[2018-03-27 18:59] ID=17210 Dirkie2807: Must i use Legacy ? Can i use the Legacy Adress to Receive BTC ?
[2018-03-27 19:08] ID=17211 RE_ID=17210 Rassah: You can.
[2018-03-27 19:08] ID=17212 Rassah: Mycelium doesn't support SegWit yet, so it won't see any SegWit accounts on Trezor
[2018-03-27 19:10] ID=17213 Dirkie2807: Okay also when I understand it right I have to transfer my BTC from SeWit to Legacy in my Trezor and the I can use the app ?
[2018-03-27 19:11] ID=17214 duncan idaho: nice to hear some news
[2018-03-27 19:21] ID=17215 RE_ID=17213 Rassah: Correct. But then you lose out on low fees
[2018-03-27 20:38] ID=17216 bgr3473r: None
[2018-03-27 21:40] ID=17217 RE_ID=17190 painlord2k: Like Blockstream?
[2018-03-27 21:44] ID=17218 RE_ID=17217 PraetorianPrefect: Not too familiar with that situation, but that common sense approach should apply to all organizations.
[2018-03-27 21:47] ID=17219 Anomaly: I'm glad to see bch support coming. It fits with mycelium's business model & was a good decision.
[2018-03-28 03:37] ID=17220 RE_ID=17200 ShortFatUglyDumb: Thx 4 the upd8, Leo!
[2018-03-28 06:45] ID=17221 TheSatMan: Regarding TAX and lost funds - like this Mycelium project ... How do i show that i lost my 10 BTC and now only have some invalid MT tokens left? Which is ZERO worth?🤨
[2018-03-28 07:55] ID=17222 RE_ID=17221 ShortFatUglyDumb: Assuming you're in the USA... Check with your CPA/accountant. Maybe it's considered like losing another commodity? Not sure.
[2018-03-28 08:02] ID=17223 RE_ID=17222 TheSatMan: Im not in the USA - but in Denmark in EU... Im not asking about TAX law ect... i’m asking - HOW do i show/provide evidance that i joined the MyCelium ICO with 10 Bitcoin and now has 10 MT token - which i ZERO worth.\n\nI have to show that i have not made any profits - but instead a big big loss 🙁
[2018-03-28 08:12] ID=17224 BB_Martino: Ouch. Since you still have the 10 MT, you could reference the transaction where you got the tokens, pair it with the TXID of the transaction you sent to MyCelium, the agreement of the ICO etc. Just my $0.02.
[2018-03-28 08:20] ID=17225 RE_ID=17224 TheSatMan: You mean the BTC transaction (if i can find it - it is 1,5 year ago now...) ... Where do i get/see the transaction regarding the MT? Via the COLU website - you mean?
[2018-03-28 08:20] ID=17226 BB_Martino: BTC out, MT in. Those are two transactions that hopefully you are able to find.
[2018-03-28 08:21] ID=17227 BB_Martino: Not sure where/how, I never invested after reading the t&c. It was essentially long text which said "we don't really owe anything under any circumstances, even if we make a profit".
[2018-03-28 08:22] ID=17228 TheSatMan: We owe 5% of the MyCelium company...
[2018-03-28 08:27] ID=17229 BB_Martino: Riiight
[2018-03-28 08:31] ID=17230 TheSatMan: I know - 5% of 0 ... is 0 😢
[2018-03-28 16:39] ID=17231 bgr3473r: Hi, I'm new to the cryptospace. I was considering mycelium as a bitcoin wallet and just reading around on their website. \nWhy are they having a crowdsale?
[2018-03-28 17:07] ID=17232 RE_ID=17042 vancitytrader: How did you get your colu tokens?
[2018-03-28 17:24] ID=17233 vancitytrader: Oh nevermind I see the dashboard s working
[2018-03-28 17:24] ID=17234 vancitytrader: Trying to find the back up now..
[2018-03-28 17:55] ID=17235 vancitytrader: Does anyone have any idea how to find out the actual address I need to send BTC to do get my my tokens out of colu? I checked the private key, got the public address out it into blockchain and also colored coins explorer and says there's no mt coins on there. But in colu it shows I still have them
[2018-03-28 17:55] ID=17236 vancitytrader: Basically the private key in my colu corresponds to an address that doesn't seem to have MT tokens? I'm an advanced user surprised I can't figure this out
[2018-03-28 18:06] ID=17237 RE_ID=17231 Rassah: That was almost two years ago
[2018-03-28 18:08] ID=17238 Rassah: Can you add a Colu wallet to your Mycelium wallet and send them there?
[2018-03-28 18:12] ID=17239 RE_ID=17237 bgr3473r: Didn't realize. Why is it still featured on the website then.
[2018-03-28 18:26] ID=17240 Rassah: No one to update the website I guess? I'm still listed as an employee even though I left in May. A few others are same
[2018-03-28 18:30] ID=17241 vancitytrader: Rassah, thanks for your reply. I got the private key from my colu dashboard, got the public address and sent BTC to it so I could send the tokens out but no luck.
[2018-03-28 18:30] ID=17242 vancitytrader: 
[2018-03-28 18:31] ID=17243 vancitytrader: Confused about which address needs to have funds. The  address derived from the private key in colu (where I'm assuming tokens are stored) now has BTC but I can't send out from colu
[2018-03-28 18:31] ID=17244 vancitytrader: Anyone successfully taken their coins out ,m
[2018-03-28 18:33] ID=17245 vancitytrader: Rassah, did what you just said (imported colu key into mycelium as a single spend address) BTC shows up but no tokens. Clearly the colu tokens are on a different address but it's impossible to find out which from colu
[2018-03-28 19:39] ID=17246 Rassah: I meant send from one to the other, not import. But you couldn't do either, so I have no idea...
[2018-03-28 22:19] ID=17247 vancitytrader: Lol it's like they're trolling us
[2018-03-28 22:19] ID=17248 vancitytrader: Surely me and Juan can't be the only ones with this issue ?
[2018-03-29 00:56] ID=17251 bgr3473r: I'm about to install mycelium for the first time. Is it ok to ask for help to work out any newbie issues in this group?
[2018-03-29 00:57] ID=17252 bgr3473r: Anyone?
[2018-03-29 00:59] ID=17253 theultimatum: Which OS?
[2018-03-29 01:00] ID=17254 RE_ID=17253 bgr3473r: Android. Is there one for linux desktop too?
[2018-03-29 01:01] ID=17255 theultimatum: I doubt it. Just making sure it wasn't iOS
[2018-03-29 01:01] ID=17256 Rassah: No, just Android and iOS, but don't use iOS
[2018-03-29 01:01] ID=17257 bgr3473r: Ok, I have to ask. What's wrong with the iOS version?
[2018-03-29 01:01] ID=17258 theultimatum: Not supported anymore
[2018-03-29 01:04] ID=17259 bgr3473r: Why does the app need permission for my location? Doesn't that defeat the purpose of being secure? I don't want to get targeted and get my phone robbed. Someone explain please.
[2018-03-29 01:05] ID=17260 RE_ID=17259 Rassah: That's only if you want to use LocalTrader. It's like a Local Bitcoins built into the app. You can leave that off
[2018-03-29 01:06] ID=17261 bgr3473r: Leave location off or leave LocalTrader off?
[2018-03-29 01:07] ID=17262 bgr3473r: Ok, I'm diving in.
[2018-03-29 01:09] ID=17263 bgr3473r: Almost 60 MB on my phone. Ok.
[2018-03-29 01:10] ID=17264 Rassah: Leave location off
[2018-03-29 01:13] ID=17265 bgr3473r: I installed the app, clicked on help and that seems defunct. Should I be worried?
[2018-03-29 01:17] ID=17266 RE_ID=17264 bgr3473r: There is an option to not participate in local trader. So I opted out.
[2018-03-29 01:22] ID=17267 bgr3473r: I'll familiarize myself with it tonight. I'll probably be back with questions tomorrow. I'll look up what I can before asking. Thanks guys.
[2018-03-29 04:37] ID=17268 RE_ID=17265 Rassah: Lol, wow. Yeah, someone probably should look into that\n@Giszmo ?
[2018-03-29 04:41] ID=17269 Giszmo: yep. can confirm it links to our old zendesk. Created issue 574 on Feb6.
[2018-03-29 04:43] ID=17270 Giszmo: As our support team has questions for the devs every day, I suppose people still find our current zendesk.
[2018-03-29 05:44] ID=17271 RE_ID=17266 ShortFatUglyDumb: LocalTrader/Marketplace is pretty handy 2 find traders. U may wanna enable it at some point. if so, u can still not use the GPS locator & then enter ur general location manually.
[2018-03-29 07:10] ID=17272 rodomonte: any lightning integration plan? or too early?
[2018-03-29 07:25] ID=17273 BB_Martino: They said it'd be supported when modules came out.
[2018-03-29 07:29] ID=17274 RomHtk: Hi everybody, ils there a french group for mycélium ? What are thé project for the future ? Thx
[2018-03-29 08:59] ID=17275 Criptofriend: @vancitytrader you can help
[2018-03-29 08:59] ID=17276 Criptofriend: At this moment just keep your private key. It will be enough. You will be able to convert your token to ERC20 token from Colu wallet. I will send instruction soon.
[2018-04-03 08:39] ID=17277 vipul_saini: None
[2018-04-03 10:52] ID=17278 Proot: How to access colu mc tokens? Can anyone share the link to colu dashboard. I cant find it
[2018-04-03 11:12] ID=17279 RE_ID=17278 zebbra2014: https://dashboard.colu.co
[2018-04-03 12:49] ID=17280 Emma: None
[2018-04-03 12:49] ID=17281 Kartikeya Pandey: None
[2018-04-04 09:34] ID=17282 ᠌ＡＬＬＩＥ ヶ影る: None
[2018-04-05 22:47] ID=17283 kjweyandiii: None
[2018-04-06 16:45] ID=17284 Sean Campbell: None
[2018-04-06 16:46] ID=17285 Sean Campbell: Having trouble spending my funds
[2018-04-06 16:47] ID=17286 Sean Campbell: It says it’s sending then my funds get returned
[2018-04-06 16:47] ID=17287 Sean Campbell: Somebody help me 😩😩😩
[2018-04-06 18:08] ID=17288 SergeyLappo: Please try:\nGo to accounts tab -> Select account from which you are trying to spend -> open menu -> Reload account
[2018-04-08 09:27] ID=17289 emma852: None
[2018-04-08 10:16] ID=17290 Ashley0411: None
[2018-04-08 19:21] ID=17292 vancitytrader: Do we have an update regarding getting our tokens from the colu dashboard? And erc-20 conversion
[2018-04-09 00:41] ID=17293 AROMACOMPUTERS: Mycelium is billing for using MyceliumGear now?
[2018-04-09 00:42] ID=17294 AROMACOMPUTERS: Got a bill for ~$7
[2018-04-09 00:43] ID=17295 AROMACOMPUTERS: It's not even updated for ages, let alone segwit and now it costs btc to use it?\n0.5% ?
[2018-04-09 08:24] ID=17296 hairyhorse: All information collected now being sent to appropriate law enforcement agencies. Hoping to launch a court action in California in June
[2018-04-09 08:42] ID=17297 sec ond: Good
[2018-04-09 09:07] ID=17298 Proot: Law suit process will be very interesting to follow!
[2018-04-09 09:07] ID=17299 Proot: We can do ICO for that and trade mycelium law suit tokens :D
[2018-04-09 13:14] ID=17300 RE_ID=17296 Rassah: California? That may not be very helpful
[2018-04-09 13:15] ID=17301 Rassah: They're the worst possible place when it comes to business, so I'm sure they'll say "guilty" no matter what, because there business is automatically evil, but no one from Mycelium is in California, or US
[2018-04-09 13:21] ID=17302 hairyhorse: He was during sale
[2018-04-09 13:22] ID=17303 BB_Martino: If the ICO accepted a mass of investors from the US, the US will go after them in any country they have a trade agreement with (which is pretty much the planet).
[2018-04-09 13:22] ID=17304 AROMACOMPUTERS: One doesn't get sued where they are, that get sued where they cause damages.
[2018-04-09 13:22] ID=17305 BB_Martino: Yup
[2018-04-09 13:24] ID=17306 Rassah: I'm just wondering how much power California has over Moscow
[2018-04-09 13:25] ID=17307 AROMACOMPUTERS: I'm just doubting there's much of a loss to claim.\nCompany exists.\nProduct exits.
[2018-04-09 13:26] ID=17308 hairyhorse: Product sold does not exist and US can seize assets globally
[2018-04-09 13:26] ID=17309 AROMACOMPUTERS: I have the wallet installed.\nIt's there
[2018-04-09 13:26] ID=17310 RE_ID=17307 Rassah: Oh, California isn't going to care. Business that made customers unhappy? Guilty.
[2018-04-09 13:27] ID=17311 RE_ID=17308 Rassah: Bitcoin...
[2018-04-09 13:27] ID=17312 AROMACOMPUTERS: But.  However \nThe act of selling a security to Murica won't go unnoticed
[2018-04-09 13:27] ID=17313 Rassah: Anyway, will be interesting to see where this goes
[2018-04-09 13:27] ID=17314 hairyhorse: You have no claim to any of the wallet though
[2018-04-09 13:29] ID=17315 RE_ID=17311 hairyhorse: Mycelium itself
[2018-04-09 13:29] ID=17316 Rassah: What do you mean?
[2018-04-09 13:29] ID=17317 Rassah: The GitHub repository?
[2018-04-09 13:30] ID=17318 hairyhorse: The company
[2018-04-09 13:32] ID=17319 RE_ID=17312 AROMACOMPUTERS: Roughly a $10,000 fine & 1 year in state prison... Per sale to an American.
[2018-04-09 13:32] ID=17320 AROMACOMPUTERS: Good luck with that
[2018-04-09 13:33] ID=17321 RE_ID=17318 Rassah: I don't understand how that would work
[2018-04-09 13:33] ID=17322 AROMACOMPUTERS: That's to all icos that didn't register
[2018-04-09 13:34] ID=17323 RE_ID=17322 Rassah: Did you see the hearing? None of the ICOs registered before SEC put out their threat, and none registered after. Everyone is ignoring them.
[2018-04-09 13:34] ID=17324 RE_ID=17323 AROMACOMPUTERS: Time will tell
[2018-04-09 13:35] ID=17325 AROMACOMPUTERS: Prison tends to change minds
[2018-04-09 13:35] ID=17326 Rassah: I mean, I'm kinda rooting for mass resistance making the SEC impotent
[2018-04-09 13:38] ID=17327 AROMACOMPUTERS: Ironic that the only example I know of, as to how to do an ico, legally and not piss off investors at same time.\nIs Airbitz\nThe competition that's imo now kicking myceliums ass up and down the block.
[2018-04-09 13:57] ID=17328 Rassah: I forgot they had an ICO.
[2018-04-09 14:30] ID=17329 Proot: Mecelium wallet was the best until they got ico money. :D
[2018-04-10 07:23] ID=17330 Michael Gruat: None
[2018-04-10 10:54] ID=17331 Praizz: None
[2018-04-10 10:55] ID=17332 Praizz: Hi everyone
[2018-04-10 10:55] ID=17333 Praizz: Please could someone assist me in opening a mycelium wallet
[2018-04-10 11:18] ID=17334 MariusMorra: None
[2018-04-10 12:57] ID=17335 sid1258: None
[2018-04-10 19:48] ID=17336 Jonathan | Vinchain.io ICO bounty (vehicle history): None
[2018-04-10 19:48] ID=17337 Jonathan | Vinchain.io ICO bounty (vehicle history): Great channel!
[2018-04-10 19:54] ID=17338 RE_ID=17333 SergeyLappo: Could you please describe your problem?
[2018-04-10 20:11] ID=17339 Praizz: Its my first time attempting to open a wallet...so I need some guidance
[2018-04-10 20:12] ID=17340 RE_ID=17339 SergeyLappo: You just open the app and tap create new wallet.
[2018-04-10 20:12] ID=17341 Praizz: That's it?
[2018-04-10 20:13] ID=17342 SergeyLappo: Yes :)
[2018-04-10 20:13] ID=17343 theultimatum: Wait.
[2018-04-10 20:13] ID=17344 theultimatum: Which OS?
[2018-04-10 20:14] ID=17345 Praizz: Thank you :)
[2018-04-10 20:17] ID=17346 RE_ID=17345 theultimatum: If it is iOS don't use Mycelium
[2018-04-10 20:18] ID=17347 Praizz: It's Android... I can use it for Android right?
[2018-04-10 20:19] ID=17348 RE_ID=17347 DoubleYouSee23: yes.
[2018-04-10 20:19] ID=17349 Praizz: Thanks
[2018-04-11 02:26] ID=17350 RE_ID=17301 Talon8Ya: Actually California, NY and Texas are the three best places to file if you are going to file against an intentional company in the U.S.. If go forward they will send out summons and arrest warrants across the U.S. and internationally for existing officers and people who were employees at the time of the token sale to get them into court. They will make it extremely difficult for them to continue to do business without coming to court and for them to travel most places internationally much less in the US.
[2018-04-11 02:28] ID=17351 RE_ID=17306 Talon8Ya: They don't but they have considerable power where company executives and employees can travel to, bank and transact with.
[2018-04-11 02:32] ID=17352 RE_ID=17323 Talon8Ya: The SEC is just getting started with going after ICOs. Too early to make that assumption that everyone is going to get away with it. For starters check out centra and bitconnect.
[2018-04-11 02:34] ID=17353 RE_ID=17326 Talon8Ya: Everyone is but remember right now we are not masses, we are still a small niche that the masses still barely know about. You need a massive shift in education and adoption before you think laws can be skirted through mass resistance.
[2018-04-11 05:11] ID=17354 ???: None
[2018-04-11 10:41] ID=17355 RE_ID=17279 John Solano: I can finally see my Colu dashboard and see my 10 MTC there.\nWhere is it best to store them now?
[2018-04-11 11:56] ID=17356 RE_ID=17355 zebbra2014: I also want to know this!
[2018-04-11 15:01] ID=17357 sec ond: My 15 MTC still in their hand. But any differ?
[2018-04-11 15:11] ID=17358 CoolCashOnline: You can't that is the only place right now
[2018-04-11 15:38] ID=17359 RE_ID=17355 Rassah: In the Mycelium wallet
[2018-04-11 17:54] ID=17360 RE_ID=17359 John Solano: Is there any instructions on how to send to mycelium wallet.
[2018-04-11 18:30] ID=17361 Rassah: Add a new account, and there should be an option for Mycelium token
[2018-04-11 18:30] ID=17362 Rassah: Just make sure you back things up first before moving tokens to it
[2018-04-12 03:38] ID=17363 Liam | Vinchain.io ICO bounty (vehicle history): None
[2018-04-12 10:11] ID=17365 lucretius3: None
[2018-04-12 12:09] ID=17366 Aiden | Vinchain.io Bounty support (vehicle history): None
[2018-04-12 15:04] ID=17367 Gavin | Vinchain.io ICO bounty (vehicle history): None
[2018-04-12 16:37] ID=17368 BB_Martino: /nick Martin | Totally not spamming groups with ICO crap
[2018-04-12 18:34] ID=17369 Diana | Vinchain.io ICO bounty (vehicle history): None
[2018-04-16 13:34] ID=17372 Rohit Anand: None
[2018-04-17 21:17] ID=17373 hansbuong: None
[2018-04-18 14:58] ID=17374 Bennyag: None
[2018-04-18 15:00] ID=17375 Bennyag: Hi i have a question i heard there is coming a hard form Fox BTC will the wallet support the new coin ?
[2018-04-18 15:01] ID=17376 Bennyag: *hard fork
[2018-04-18 15:12] ID=17377 zihus: No. BTC, BCH, Dash and ETH are in short-term pipeline.
[2018-04-18 16:15] ID=17378 MarianaIndiah: None
[2018-04-19 07:11] ID=17382 athconstantine: New Update 😍
[2018-04-19 19:14] ID=17383 Zena Star: None
[2018-04-20 15:00] ID=17384 irisfinal: None
[2018-04-20 15:00] ID=17385 irisfinal: hi
[2018-04-20 15:00] ID=17386 irisfinal: hello
[2018-04-20 18:11] ID=17387 Rassah: hey
[2018-04-20 20:08] ID=17388 bgr3473r: Still familiarizing myself with the Android app. Still have to do some more reading to clarify features offered.
[2018-04-20 20:20] ID=17389 bgr3473r: Anyone use Coinapult in Mycelium?
[2018-04-21 01:49] ID=17390 Ihavelastdream: None
[2018-04-21 09:37] ID=17391 hgmichna: None
[2018-04-21 09:43] ID=17392 hgmichna: I have used Coinapult in Mycelium successfully a long time ago, but a friend of mine has used it only a few months ago. It works, but he had to jump through a hoop or two. So try it with a small amount first, until you see that it works.\n\nHe tells me it ended up working well after he had created (or been given) both a USD and a BTC address in Coinapult, so he could move value either way. Not sure whether this is really required.\n\nCoinapult is not exactly cheap. Reckon with a few percent.\n\nCoinapult used to look like a trick to avoid taxes, because you are not actually selling or buying. Instead you are freezing the BTCUSD price. But I doubt that any tax authority will fall for this. They will most likely consider it like a sell/buy.
[2018-04-21 10:46] ID=17393 duncan idaho: oh another scam to buy ib mycelium app
[2018-04-21 18:45] ID=17394 James213: None
[2018-04-22 05:51] ID=17395 Peter Vogt: None
[2018-04-22 14:45] ID=17396 vancitytrader: Any update on erc-20 conversion of mycelium tokens or how to withdraw? They are still stuck in colu. Has anyone had any luck
[2018-04-23 00:06] ID=17397 BlockchainyCriptos: Probably you will know when a new update arrives in the play store. I don't know what's the point to make something with that tokens, probably convert to erc-20 to say "we will convert the MT tokens to erc-20, so the people remains "calmed" another year" 😂
[2018-04-23 00:07] ID=17398 BlockchainyCriptos: two years to make "something" with the MT Tokens, My God
[2018-04-24 14:12] ID=17399 sec ond: Progress in MT = progress in lawsuit
[2018-04-25 13:43] ID=17400 bgr3473r: Is there a proper help section I can read for the wallet?
[2018-04-25 15:28] ID=17401 cvennekel: @Giszmo see if you can lower the prio fee for cpfp, quite the overshoot
[2018-04-28 05:43] ID=17402 jonlovesdogs: None
[2018-05-01 06:55] ID=17403 Thekingsx: None
[2018-05-02 05:04] ID=17404 Rassah: Wondering if I should join that lawsuit, just to make sure people know I'm not affiliated with Mycelium anymore and had nothing to do with the token sale besides running their marketing...
[2018-05-02 05:16] ID=17405 RE_ID=17404 Talon8Ya: Might be a good idea as many considered you mycellium's official voice as the management said very little and made you do most of the talking.
[2018-05-03 00:43] ID=17406 Larry Lemon: None
[2018-05-03 00:56] ID=17407 Larry Lemon: Is there a link for lawsuit details? Thx
[2018-05-03 01:14] ID=17408 PraetorianPrefect: Not to mention many of you that worked there and had asked to be removed from the team website are still there. Sad!
[2018-05-03 08:49] ID=17409 RE_ID=17392 BitcoinKhaleesi: They would 100% see it as a buy/sell. If Al Capone will go down for taxes, they are not going to fall for a "freezing" argument. Matters brought by the IRS are SELDOM won by the respondent.
[2018-05-04 01:22] ID=17410 RE_ID=17401 Giszmo: CPFP fee is priority fee for CPFP transaction and it's parent minus the parent's fee. If this is an overshoot, then priority transaction itself is an overshoot. I often said we will probably lower that only after introducing RBF, at which point we could leave novice users to play with the fee without risking the transaction to become un-pushable.
[2018-05-04 02:23] ID=17411 Rassah: Priority transaction itself has been an overshoot for a while
[2018-05-06 08:32] ID=17413 simik: Is there an easy way to pull BCH out of a myceliium wallet?
[2018-05-06 10:41] ID=17415 RE_ID=17413 mishax1: Import your seed to a bcash supported wallet and move it.\nIf you dont trust that bcash wallet then move your Ƀitcoins to a new Ƀitcoin wallet first.\nYou might consider that seed compromised after that..
[2018-05-06 10:44] ID=17416 Criptofriend: zihus  Hello, sorry if you recently answered, what is the status of the MT token? I made a copy of my private keys in Colu, but when I imported it into Mycelium, the token did not appear
[2018-05-06 11:45] ID=17417 RE_ID=17415 simik: What bch wallets support mycelium's seed? What's that standard called?
[2018-05-06 11:48] ID=17418 mishax1: Probably Coinomi \ntry this - https://steemit.com/btc/@libert/step-by-step-guide-on-claiming-bitcoincash-from-mycellium-wallet-201783t112141477z
[2018-05-07 14:20] ID=17419 ???: None
[2018-05-07 14:26] ID=17420 mishax1: 
[2018-05-07 14:32] ID=17421 Rassah: Good question
[2018-05-07 15:02] ID=17422 mishax1: mycelium\nbread\nbitcoin wallet\nblockchain info \nbinance\nit's a fucking joke..
[2018-05-07 15:26] ID=17423 Rassah: Oh, well if a bunch of them are having problems, then maybe it's an issue
[2018-05-07 15:34] ID=17424 mishax1: Think so?  Bitstamp has Segwit since September.\nTrezor has it since August.\nSamourai wallet has it since October.
[2018-05-07 17:01] ID=17425 athconstantine: Samurai wallet is beta?!And trezor It is very expensive.
[2018-05-07 17:02] ID=17426 athconstantine: I use mycelium for my level and money is good for me.
[2018-05-07 17:02] ID=17427 athconstantine: I could not find a better one so far
[2018-05-07 17:32] ID=17428 RE_ID=17420 painlord2k: BCH and other coins, probably.
[2018-05-07 18:11] ID=17429 RE_ID=17425 mishax1: So? Even Andreas Antonopoulos said hes using Samourai
[2018-05-07 18:14] ID=17430 athconstantine: 
[2018-05-07 19:11] ID=17431 Rassah: I thought he was using Mycelium?
[2018-05-07 19:11] ID=17432 Rassah: I'm using Edge now
[2018-05-07 19:11] ID=17433 RE_ID=17432 athconstantine: Is good?
[2018-05-07 19:11] ID=17434 Rassah: SegWit, BCH, and other currencies, and it's SPV too
[2018-05-07 19:12] ID=17435 Rassah: Only think lacking is an address book to store other people's accounts to send to
[2018-05-07 19:12] ID=17436 Rassah: Otherwise it's almost everything that Mycelium was supposed to be that it raised money for
[2018-05-07 19:13] ID=17437 Rassah: Which is why I always considered Airbitz as Mycelium's main competitor, instead of any of the other ones like Samorai
[2018-05-07 19:14] ID=17438 athconstantine: I will try Samurai but I don't feel good for beta software... 😩
[2018-05-07 19:14] ID=17439 RE_ID=17436 bgr3473r: So , mycelium for Android isn't a good app anymore?
[2018-05-07 19:15] ID=17440 Rassah: Samorai has like two developers, and one of them is a pompous dick, so I'll never support them
[2018-05-07 19:15] ID=17441 RE_ID=17440 athconstantine: 😶
[2018-05-07 19:15] ID=17442 RE_ID=17439 Rassah: It's good, but I don't think it's best. Edge also works the same on both Android and iOS, which is also what mycelium was hoping to do.
[2018-05-07 19:16] ID=17443 bgr3473r: Is edge on the playstore? I can't find it.
[2018-05-07 19:16] ID=17444 Rassah: I still use mycelium for some things, like treasure support, but it's just not my main wallet anymore.
[2018-05-07 19:18] ID=17446 bgr3473r: My device isn't compaitible. But I see airbitz has ''Bitcoin Wallet'. Is it as good as edge?
[2018-05-07 19:18] ID=17447 RE_ID=17442 athconstantine: This is my problem, I have always been looking for the best. Of course, much you write does not understand but it is ok to be sure the money and to be useful.
[2018-05-07 19:18] ID=17448 RE_ID=17446 Rassah: Not compatible???
[2018-05-07 19:18] ID=17449 Rassah: Weird
[2018-05-07 19:19] ID=17450 Rassah: Edge is Airbitz's new wallet. So Airbitz is an old one. Only has BTC
[2018-05-07 19:19] ID=17452 RE_ID=17450 bgr3473r: Ok. Thanks for clarifying
[2018-05-07 19:21] ID=17453 athconstantine: Block chain? Is good?
[2018-05-07 19:22] ID=17454 Rassah: I just asked Paul about Edge being incompatible. I figured it would be compatible with all Android wallets. I'll let you know what he says.
[2018-05-07 21:47] ID=17455 RE_ID=17454 bgr3473r: Any response?
[2018-05-07 23:59] ID=17456 btcrich1: None
[2018-05-08 06:02] ID=17457 RE_ID=17416 zihus: 1. We have released a new version of Mycelium Wallet with BCH support. Now everybody can pull BCH out of his wallet.\n2. The next milestone is ETH (ERC20 token) support. Once we have it we will convert MT tokens to ERC20 token.\nAll you need at this moment - only export your private key from Colu.
[2018-05-08 06:03] ID=17458 RE_ID=17457 zihus: None
[2018-05-08 06:06] ID=17459 RE_ID=17457 RubenSomsen: Really? BCH and ERC20 support before segwit?
[2018-05-08 06:08] ID=17460 RE_ID=17457 HostFat: I see, but it seems that it doesn't fully support it
[2018-05-08 06:08] ID=17461 mishax1: 🙈
[2018-05-08 06:08] ID=17462 HostFat: maybe my version didn't upgrade?
[2018-05-08 06:10] ID=17463 zihus: Now new version has been distributed among 5% of users.
[2018-05-08 06:10] ID=17464 HostFat: ok
[2018-05-08 06:10] ID=17465 HostFat: my version is 3.0.8.11 - 5 may
[2018-05-08 06:12] ID=17466 mishax1: Mycelium - A 5 year old Bitcoin wallet that shifted to altcoins. 🙈
[2018-05-08 06:12] ID=17467 HostFat: can I leave you my email to being enabled to the test program? :)
[2018-05-08 06:12] ID=17468 RE_ID=17466 HostFat: it is a good move, to reach a bigger market
[2018-05-08 06:14] ID=17469 mishax1: I didn't enter the MT ICO for altcoins. It's just pathetic.
[2018-05-08 06:25] ID=17470 mishax1: Instead of working on Segwit and then on LN to be among the first to come up with LN and hit the biggest market, mycelium does idiotic stuff like working on altcoins.  Altcoins come and go but Bitcoin is here to stay.
[2018-05-08 06:26] ID=17471 Advanced: O Madonna so maybe we did not throw away MTs
[2018-05-08 06:27] ID=17472 RE_ID=17457 mishax1: Export the xprv ?
[2018-05-08 06:28] ID=17473 RE_ID=17470 HostFat: LN is still a not complete and not secure tech
[2018-05-08 06:29] ID=17474 RE_ID=17473 mishax1: No shit sherlock.
[2018-05-08 06:29] ID=17475 zihus: Yes, export xpriv
[2018-05-08 06:29] ID=17476 HostFat: while bch and eth are already working good and they have a bigger market (I have zero ETH and the same amount of BCH as BTC)
[2018-05-08 06:31] ID=17477 RE_ID=17476 mishax1: Do you go to the store with your ETH and BCH ?
[2018-05-08 06:32] ID=17478 HostFat: I have zero eth, and I use both BTC and BCH
[2018-05-08 06:32] ID=17479 mishax1: who the hell needs altcoins on his mobile wallet ? what for ?
[2018-05-08 06:33] ID=17480 HostFat: all bitcoin users before the 1 august 2017 are also bch users, so there are many
[2018-05-08 06:36] ID=17481 mishax1: lol so wrong. 90% of them already dumped bch.  and wouldn't call the rest of them users since bcash blocks are pretty empty..
[2018-05-08 06:37] ID=17482 RE_ID=17481 HostFat: you don't know, many are just holding
[2018-05-08 06:37] ID=17483 HostFat: if you did sell them, then it is your loss, nobody cares
[2018-05-08 06:38] ID=17484 mishax1: empty blocks = no users..  can't argue with that.
[2018-05-08 06:39] ID=17485 HostFat: I'm holding bch, so I'm not an user? 🤔
[2018-05-08 06:40] ID=17486 mishax1: 🙈
[2018-05-08 06:45] ID=17487 Advanced: Who wants to buy my MT private key?
[2018-05-08 06:52] ID=17488 mishax1: Mycelium is late with segwit and altcoins support and will be late with LN support.\nhttps://twitter.com/danielalexiuc/status/993667149238435840?s=09
[2018-05-08 07:24] ID=17489 RE_ID=17467 SergeyLappo: You can join test community yourself.\nPlease join at:\nhttps://plus.google.com/communities/102264813364583686576
[2018-05-08 07:27] ID=17490 RE_ID=17489 HostFat: I'm already subscribed to it, but it does not enable this\n\nhttps://play.google.com/apps/testing/com.mycelium.module.spvbch
[2018-05-08 07:30] ID=17491 SergeyLappo: Module is rolled out fully.\nYou should join beta test to wallet to enable module if rollout still didn't hit you. https://play.google.com/apps/testing/com.mycelium.wallet
[2018-05-08 07:32] ID=17492 HostFat: I'm already signed to it :)\n\nbut the module isn't the final version
[2018-05-08 07:32] ID=17493 HostFat: this message "bitcoin cash functionality is a technology preview of mycelium modular ...."
[2018-05-08 07:32] ID=17494 HostFat: I can't use the "send" function it seems
[2018-05-08 07:36] ID=17495 SergeyLappo: Some functionality still disabled. We are  working to provide full bch support.
[2018-05-08 07:37] ID=17496 HostFat: ah ok
[2018-05-08 07:43] ID=17497 onFire_co: Hi admins... I get a delivery status  notification (failure) when I send a mail to [email protected].\nWhat's the problem?
[2018-05-08 07:43] ID=17498 onFire_co: Want to report a bug
[2018-05-08 07:54] ID=17499 zihus: Please use [email protected]
[2018-05-08 08:01] ID=17500 onFire_co: Then you should change the contact info in the app, too :)
[2018-05-08 10:36] ID=17501 Rassah: That's possible. Currently requires Android 6.0
[2018-05-08 10:36] ID=17502 Rassah: Due to some react-native dependencies we use.
[2018-05-08 10:37] ID=17503 RE_ID=17455 Rassah: Responded
[2018-05-08 10:39] ID=17504 RE_ID=17481 Rassah: More like 9%. Most BCH didn't even move
[2018-05-08 10:40] ID=17505 RE_ID=17504 mishax1: source ?
[2018-05-08 10:41] ID=17506 RE_ID=17505 Rassah: You first
[2018-05-08 10:41] ID=17507 Rassah: Originally Mycelium wallet was going to have modules for different coins, and the first one was going to be Dash, with Dash actually donating developers to help make that happen.\nI guess it didn't happen though. Dash didn't really contribute?
[2018-05-08 10:43] ID=17508 SergeyLappo: Like @Giszmo  said they contributed a lot. Dash module may be ready soon too.
[2018-05-08 10:44] ID=17509 Rassah: Oh, ok. Must have also been after I left. Glad they stepped up
[2018-05-08 10:54] ID=17510 RE_ID=17506 mishax1: no source, I relayed on the price, tx volume on the blockchain vs Bitcoin's, the small community, and the mining allocation. all of them are pretty much sum up to 10% of Bitcoin's.
[2018-05-08 11:15] ID=17511 Rassah: I haven't sold my BCH, and I don't move it either. So it just sits there, not adding to tx volume
[2018-05-08 11:23] ID=17512 HostFat: Same as me
[2018-05-08 11:24] ID=17513 alete89: I'm sorry for mycelium
[2018-05-08 11:26] ID=17514 alete89: They had a great wallet, a big amount of users, they had everything they needed to keep being the best wallet for Android. They throw it all away supporting BCH and not segwit
[2018-05-08 11:27] ID=17515 alete89: It's been a while since my mycelium is installed but without funds because i use segwit, I think it's time to uninstall now.
[2018-05-08 11:29] ID=17516 alete89: I even gave them 0.5btc in crowdsale and got anything in change. Damn
[2018-05-08 11:29] ID=17517 RE_ID=17511 mishax1: still waiting for source
[2018-05-08 11:32] ID=17518 RE_ID=17517 Rassah: Oh, yeah, me too
[2018-05-08 11:45] ID=17519 mishax1: 😂
[2018-05-08 11:59] ID=17520 RE_ID=17518 HostFat: 👍
[2018-05-08 11:59] ID=17521 RE_ID=17514 HostFat: Segwit is a soft fork, you aren't forced to use it
[2018-05-08 12:08] ID=17522 alete89: Bch is a hardfork, you neither are forced 😂
[2018-05-08 12:08] ID=17523 alete89: I WANT to use segwit, don't have to.
[2018-05-08 12:13] ID=17524 RE_ID=17457 Criptofriend: very thanks for your support!
[2018-05-08 20:37] ID=17528 Kingbitkoin: None
[2018-05-09 04:20] ID=17529 Rassah: @Giszmo Honestly, what's stopping you from sitting down for a few hours/days and knocking out SegWit? What are you guys doing? Why have things always taken forever? That's the one thing I could never figure out despite managing the team
[2018-05-09 06:20] ID=17530 vancitytrader: 
[2018-05-09 06:21] ID=17531 vancitytrader: Guys , has anyone successfully removed their colu tokens for mt? I have no way to see they are actually contained with the private key because it doesn't show up in colored coins explorer and the mycelium feature doesn't work either.. how am I supposed to.know??
[2018-05-09 06:24] ID=17532 vancitytrader: If so, how do I do it? I see I have a my balance in colu but not sure where to get the private key that will eventually be converted.
[2018-05-09 06:32] ID=17533 vancitytrader: There's a private key setting in colu whcih generated an address that has no mt tokens on it, yet in my colu account it shows I have MT tokens..
[2018-05-09 17:01] ID=17534 RE_ID=17529 Giszmo: For SegWit to work on the normal Bitcoin accounts, we also have to update the backend server. DanielW gave an estimate of one man month and while there are bitcoin wallets that have teams >100 devs, where a man month could be done in an afternoon (or without delaying other stuff, on the side), we are a small team with many urgent tasks at hands.
[2018-05-09 17:07] ID=17535 RE_ID=17531 Giszmo: I think for the CoLu import from the colu server dashboard export, you need our next release of the 2.10.* versions. >2.10.5.6
[2018-05-09 17:07] ID=17536 Giszmo: (no, telegram, that is not meant to be an IP address :) )
[2018-05-09 17:38] ID=17537 vancitytrader: Thanks Leo. Any idea how to confirm the Mt tokens showing in my colu are on a blockchain somewhere ? The address generated from the private key in my colu, when entered shows 0 balance
[2018-05-09 17:39] ID=17538 vancitytrader: Also, worried about the expiry of the dash board soon
[2018-05-09 18:01] ID=17539 RE_ID=17538 SergeyLappo: As Leo said we would rollout release supporting import from dashboard soon, so please don’t worry.\nThat’s top priority for us to provide consistent transition from dashboard, so tutorial would be released.
[2018-05-09 19:11] ID=17540 SJ C: to where can we move the mycelium tokens to?
[2018-05-10 00:49] ID=17541 RE_ID=17540 Giszmo: to Mycelium wallet. As I understood it, they will be convertible to an ERC20 token at a later point. In the context of making Mycelium modular, there is an ERC20/Ethereum team working on a module.
[2018-05-10 02:55] ID=17542 RE_ID=17539 Larry Lemon: would said release and tutorials be announced here or other channels?
[2018-05-10 07:26] ID=17543 Rahoos: If Mycelium wallet doesn't support holding MT by June 1st the MT is lost, right?
[2018-05-10 07:27] ID=17544 Rahoos: On an unrelated now, how come Mycelium wallet NEVER works with Orbot anymore? Is there some setting I should check or something I should update?
[2018-05-10 07:28] ID=17545 Rahoos: I mean is it just me or is Orbot integration broken?
[2018-05-10 07:34] ID=17546 RE_ID=17543 SergeyLappo: Release is already rolling out.\nTutorial would be available soon.
[2018-05-10 07:35] ID=17547 RE_ID=17544 SergeyLappo: Thanks for the report, we would recheck that.
[2018-05-10 09:26] ID=17548 Окрош: None
[2018-05-10 11:54] ID=17549 SergeyLappo: Finally problem found and would be resolved. Thanks again for the report.\nUnfortunately it would take some time to fix Tor support.
[2018-05-10 12:12] ID=17550 Criptofriend: zihus  or other dev, I have a question about the correct format of the COLU private keys. In March, the backup of my COLU wallet gave me a private key that started with 6 with 58 characters. Now in May, I have done another backup and the result is a private character of 111 characters, starting "xpriv ..." Can you confirm which of the two is the private key that we will need to restore our MT token in MYCELIUM ? Thank you
[2018-05-10 14:56] ID=17551 Rahoos: Thanks @SergeyLappo
[2018-05-10 15:36] ID=17552 vancitytrader: Juan, I noticed the same thing
[2018-05-10 15:36] ID=17553 vancitytrader: Format of xpriv is new, but there's 2 keys the other key is the same I backed up originally in march
[2018-05-11 03:37] ID=17554 sec ond: When ETH $3, I ask Rassah develop its wallet. But he has no foresight. Now I ask Leo or other Feb to develp ESO wallet. Hope they can listen.
[2018-05-11 03:48] ID=17555 RE_ID=17554 Rassah: I had foresight to want to get wallet to be modular so it can support all different kinds of currencies and so adding new ones would be easy two years ago. Then company agreed to implement my idea and raised money to do it. But development was very complicated and for some reason I never got the resources to do it.
[2018-05-11 10:42] ID=17556 toodaytomorrow: None
[2018-05-11 10:44] ID=17557 toodaytomorrow: Hi, are you having ICO? \nI didnt use my mycelium for few months and today i saw that you offer some tokens
[2018-05-11 13:49] ID=17558 RE_ID=17557 PraetorianPrefect: The ICO was years ago, and by nearly all accounts, a failure. 98% loss of value in the tokens relative to their original price in BTC.
[2018-05-11 23:56] ID=17559 GKrash: None
[2018-05-11 23:59] ID=17560 GKrash: I haven't yet put my coins in colu... I just logged in the dashboard and they still seem to be there.
[2018-05-11 23:59] ID=17561 GKrash: Too late for a refund? 😂
[2018-05-12 06:26] ID=17562 m4rtin1: None
[2018-05-12 06:27] ID=17563 m4rtin1: Does the Trezor support work again?
[2018-05-12 07:52] ID=17564 RE_ID=17551 SergeyLappo: Tor is alive now.
[2018-05-12 12:41] ID=17565 mishax1: So it's ok to move the MT to mycelium and keep it there, right?
[2018-05-12 14:32] ID=17566 SergeyLappo: Right, one more news for today.\nMycelium Wallet version with import from Colu Dashboard is now alive.\nHere's the guide how to import your tokens into the wallet.
[2018-05-12 14:33] ID=17567 RE_ID=17565 SergeyLappo: Yes.
[2018-05-12 14:42] ID=17568 RE_ID=17563 m4rtin1: When answer?
[2018-05-12 14:47] ID=17569 RE_ID=17567 mishax1: Thanks
[2018-05-12 14:51] ID=17570 RE_ID=17568 SergeyLappo: Trezor support was not broken, we’ve supported legacy accounts.\nStill no Segwit accounts support.
[2018-05-12 14:52] ID=17571 m4rtin1: 
[2018-05-12 16:59] ID=17572 RE_ID=17566 Larry Lemon: hello, can i get some help... using IOS wallet. when adding new account I do not see anywhere "advanced" option per your instruction to import BIP32 root PK.  anyone can help me...what am i missing? thx
[2018-05-12 18:22] ID=17573 JoaquimF: None
[2018-05-12 18:41] ID=17574 SergeyLappo: Unfortunately IOS wallet don’t support assets…
[2018-05-12 22:29] ID=17575 RE_ID=17574 Larry Lemon: thank u for your response. what can i do then to retrieve the MT tokens?
[2018-05-12 22:33] ID=17576 RE_ID=17575 SergeyLappo: Please store somewhere in safe place your xpriv.\nLater, as already announced (in pinned message) we would convert MT tokens to erc20.\nBut no estimates, sorry.
[2018-05-12 23:31] ID=17577 RE_ID=17576 hairyhorse: How can you convert s security to a erc  token the fraud just gets bigger and bigger
[2018-05-13 00:30] ID=17578 Rassah: They're both tokens?
[2018-05-13 01:38] ID=17579 sec ond: If I am boss, I would ask EOS for help list Mt by their chain and open wallet by their help. They could be very welcome to do work with Mycelium`s name. Eos is free of transfer, no need gas, few million transaction per second, it should be dominant in payment. Catch this time, otherwise real dead of my MT.
[2018-05-13 02:07] ID=17580 bgr3473r: The help section seems to be working now.
[2018-05-13 02:31] ID=17581 bgr3473r: How to sweep a paper wallet?
[2018-05-13 03:51] ID=17582 RE_ID=17576 Larry Lemon: ok thanks
[2018-05-13 13:14] ID=17583 Juan van Ginkel: None
[2018-05-13 13:16] ID=17584 Juan van Ginkel: Dear Mycelium, why are you supporting #Bch (with a module) for your android wallet but still not #SegWit!?
[2018-05-13 14:09] ID=17585 Kinh Konh: None
[2018-05-13 14:09] ID=17586 Kinh Konh: Hello mycelium team
[2018-05-13 14:09] ID=17587 Kinh Konh: Why i cant send a transaction
[2018-05-13 14:09] ID=17588 Kinh Konh: Wallet sync something issue
[2018-05-13 14:11] ID=17589 RE_ID=17584 Rassah: I would guess because BCH is infinitely easier to implement than SegWit
[2018-05-13 14:13] ID=17590 Kinh Konh: Rassah
[2018-05-13 14:13] ID=17591 Kinh Konh: If i want to send bitcoin i get an issue like this
[2018-05-13 14:15] ID=17592 Rassah: Tried reloading account? If yes, try shutting down and restarting the app
[2018-05-13 14:16] ID=17593 Kinh Konh: How i can reload?
[2018-05-13 14:17] ID=17594 Kinh Konh: Sometimes fee change from 0.54 to fucking 7 dollar
[2018-05-13 14:17] ID=17595 Kinh Konh: Is this legit man
[2018-05-13 14:17] ID=17596 Kinh Konh: 
[2018-05-13 14:19] ID=17597 Rassah: Select account from Accounts tab and Reload from menu
[2018-05-13 14:20] ID=17598 Rassah: Otherwise I don't know. Don't work for this company anymore.
[2018-05-13 14:21] ID=17599 Kinh Konh: Why you dont work anymore
[2018-05-13 14:21] ID=17600 Kinh Konh: You think they scam?
[2018-05-13 14:22] ID=17601 Kinh Konh: Halleluja it works
[2018-05-13 19:17] ID=17603 cgs0541: None
[2018-05-13 19:18] ID=17604 RE_ID=17586 cgs0541: 👍👍
[2018-05-13 22:30] ID=17605 RE_ID=17564 Rahoos: Thanks.
[2018-05-13 23:10] ID=17606 RE_ID=17579 Rahoos: Second. Or NEM. Mycelium, have you guys looked into any other options besides ERC20?
[2018-05-14 04:50] ID=17607 Matan254: None
[2018-05-14 04:50] ID=17608 Matan254: Hi \nI just try to send btc but it didnt work
[2018-05-14 04:52] ID=17609 Matan254: Somthing about sync
[2018-05-14 06:10] ID=17610 simik: So... how does this BCH module work? 36+ hours syncing, but I don't see BCH in my wallet, or any new options to exchange BCH to BTC.
[2018-05-14 11:11] ID=17611 RE_ID=17608 SergeyLappo: Please go to accounts tab, select account and tap reload account. Then please try again.
[2018-05-14 14:49] ID=17612 sec ond: BCH wallet no use now, too late, every guy already get them from other wallet. Do a new coin wallet for no one with. Gain more user is the target for all wallet company
[2018-05-14 14:51] ID=17613 sec ond: EOS, 1 June. Not too much time left
[2018-05-14 14:57] ID=17614 DoubleYouSee23: I really just want to know why your coin exchange contains XMO (bitmains fork of monero) and not XMR (actual monero)
[2018-05-14 15:35] ID=17615 RE_ID=17614 SergeyLappo: Some coins were excluded because of problems with exchange, or additional info was required.\nUnfortunately I don’t know exact reason why this exchange pair was removed, but we would look into it.
[2018-05-14 15:37] ID=17616 RE_ID=17615 DoubleYouSee23: Awesome!  Not having monero wasn't a big deal, but including "monero classic" aka bitmainero seemed weird.
[2018-05-14 15:54] ID=17617 RE_ID=17610 SergeyLappo: Please see PM
[2018-05-14 16:05] ID=17618 simik: It took a couple hours after the sync finished for the wallet to see the BCH funds, but it found them. Maybe app restart helped.