**\<plowsof\>** Meeting time https://github.com/monero-project/meta/issues/906  
**\<m​onerobull:matrix.org\>** Hello  
**\<v​ostoemisio:matrix.org\>** 👋  
**\<c​trej:matrix.org\>** hello  
**\<plowsof\>** hello all  
**\<o​frnxmr:monero.social\>** Hello  
**\<s​needlewoods\_xmr:matrix.org\>** hi  
**\<plowsof\>** lets discuss some community highlights while people roll in   
**\<p​lowsof:matrix.org\>** [v0.18.3.1 released](https://www.getmonero.org/2023/10/07/monero-GUI-0.18.3.1-released.html). boog900 found/patched a bug as a direct result of their CCS ! in this [Pull request](https://github.com/monero-project/monero/pull/9013)  
**\<m​onerobull:matrix.org\>** Cool  
**\<p​lowsof:matrix.org\>** when will the DNS servers be updated selsta? usually after about a week right? im not seeing any problems reported so far  
**\<p​lowsof:matrix.org\>** monerobull tested the latest haveno release and noticed a BSOD , leading to an update 🫡  
**\<m​onerobull:matrix.org\>** Nah  
**\<m​onerobull:matrix.org\>** Not really  
**\<m​onerobull:matrix.org\>** I believe the haveno bug was because US and EU use commas and dots differently  
**\<m​onerobull:matrix.org\>** The BSOD was apparently from the last windows update and has been fixed .... By me upgrading to win11 💀  
**\<p​lowsof:matrix.org\>** thank you for testing  
**\<p​lowsof:matrix.org\>** we also had some community members purchase hardware to help with this RandomX PR: [Jit compiler for RISC-V](https://github.com/tevador/RandomX/pull/275) - tevador. This will increase RandomX performance on RISC-V cpu's. some volunteers including pauliouk and gingeropolous have purchased risc-v hardware to help testing.  
**\<r​ecanman:agoradesk.com\>** Hello, apologies for being late  
**\<m​onerobull:matrix.org\>** Didn't we recently plan to make riscv less efficient lol  
**\<m​onerobull:matrix.org\>** (by proxy)  
**\<r​ecanman:agoradesk.com\>** I think it was to require more memory  
**\<m​onerobull:matrix.org\>** And special Ryzen instructions  
**\<p​lowsof:matrix.org\>** this would be a PR for the "future" - a world where RISC-V cpu's are widespread  
**\<m​onerobull:matrix.org\>** Is this kit thing licensed in such a way that bitmain can't use it in closed software?  
**\<m​onerobull:matrix.org\>** Is this jit thing licensed in such a way that bitmain can't use it in closed software?  
**\<p​lowsof:matrix.org\>** im not sure about that, i can follow up any Q's about this in #monero-pow or with sech1 if they know  
**\<o​frnxmr:monero.social\>** Monero PoW  
**\<sech1\>** It's BSD 3-clause, so they can use it  
**\<sech1\>** But they already used XMRig with is GPLv3, and they didn't disclose the source code  
**\<m​onerobull:matrix.org\>** :/  
**\<sech1\>** So they don't give a damn about licenses  
**\<p​lowsof:matrix.org\>** lol  
**\<sech1\>** X5 miners uses modified XMRig inside  
**\<sech1\>** It's GPLv3  
**\<sech1\>** Where's the published source code?  
**\<m​onerobull:matrix.org\>** Their miners are blowing up anyways and they don't pay their employers so I doubt they made much money with xmr 🤷‍♂️  
**\<p​lowsof:matrix.org\>** planned obsolescence is a feature  
**\<o​frnxmr:monero.social\>** Lets sue  
**\<o​frnxmr:monero.social\>** monerokin lawyers  
**\<m​onerobull:matrix.org\>** Only if you have the next product lined up  
**\<p​lowsof:matrix.org\>** we owe them 1k for sending empty emails already but thats another issue for #monero-events:monero.social  
**\<m​onerobull:matrix.org\>** Which I very much doubt  
**\<p​lowsof:matrix.org\>** the next product is probably mining already  
**\<m​onerobull:matrix.org\>** Nah no way they developed another one  
**\<m​onerobull:matrix.org\>** This one was a big failure  
**\<p​lowsof:matrix.org\>** AI needs cpu's so the future is even brighter for RandomX  
**\<m​onerobull:matrix.org\>** Ai uses GPU or asics  
**\<p​lowsof:matrix.org\>** or machine learning.. they like RISC-V  
**\<c​trej:matrix.org\>** bitmain likely got the cpus far below retail price to make it worthwhile for them. People speculated on engineering samples or similar non-retail silicon  
**\<r​ecanman:agoradesk.com\>** There was like $10k of memory in there alone, right?  
**\<c​trej:matrix.org\>** retail price for the specific modules they've used. I'd guess they used whatever modules they were able to source for cheap  
**\<p​lowsof:matrix.org\>** almost forgetting a special thanks to Rucknium for chasing those none-standard fees [Privacy Advisory - exodus wallet users update](https://www.reddit.com/r/Monero/comments/176e1zr/privacy\_advisory\_exodus\_desktop\_users\_update\_to/)  
**\<p​lowsof:matrix.org\>** we have a full-house for the active newsletters this week  [Monero Observer](https://www.monero.observer/) - [Revuo Monero](https://revuo-xmr.com/) - [The Monero Standard](https://localmonero.co/the-monero-standard) - [Monero Moon](https://www.themoneromoon.com/)  
**\<p​lowsof:matrix.org\>** are we missing anything obvious? we can move on to proposals then  
**\<r​ecanman:agoradesk.com\>** This website includes them and some other things, it's pretty nice: https://themonero.dance/  
**\<r​ecanman:agoradesk.com\>** I'm not sure who maintains it but its pretty nice, there are a couple of broken things though  
**\<p​lowsof:matrix.org\>** yes alot of missing things, looks nice though  
**\<p​lowsof:matrix.org\>** i pointed the general fund donation tweeter to the p2pool blockchain explorer (exploremonero still dead)  
**\<p​lowsof:matrix.org\>** lets move on to the proposals  
**\<m​onerobull:matrix.org\>** I'd like to thank lza\_menace: for the amazing new map for docker monero node. It's so cool  
**\<o​frnxmr:monero.social\>** Yes, ty lza\_menace:  
**\<c​trej:matrix.org\>** eww, monero.dance has google-analytics.com and gstatic.com javascript. Whoever runs it: is that really necassary?  
**\<p​lowsof:matrix.org\>** ah yes! 🗺️  
**\<o​frnxmr:monero.social\>** dⱮartian:  
**\<r​ecanman:agoradesk.com\>** I didn't notice that, I have it all blocked  
**\<o​frnxmr:monero.social\>** dⱮartian:  
**\<r​ecanman:agoradesk.com\>** Maybe someone should contact the above  
**\<o​frnxmr:monero.social\>** Runs it  
**\<p​lowsof:matrix.org\>** monerosuite.org is from hundehausen  (based on the work of lza\_menace too)  
**\<r​ecanman:agoradesk.com\>** This looks pretty cool, if I can get it working I'll feature it in my next issue of the Monero Standard  
**\<m​onerobull:matrix.org\>** Is that like an all in one monero deployer?  
**\<p​lowsof:matrix.org\>** feather wallet tagged a new release. they also need help to verify hashes and such (20~GB of free disk space and time required) https://github.com/feather-wallet/feather/tree/master/contrib/guix#building  
**\<r​ecanman:agoradesk.com\>** Yes, so many configuration options  
**\<p​lowsof:matrix.org\>** yes monerosuite is an all in one, similar to xmr.sh  
**\<m​onerobull:matrix.org\>** Cool  
**\<r​ecanman:agoradesk.com\>** Includes block explorer, reverse proxy, tor proxy, monitoring, etc.  
**\<o​frnxmr:monero.social\>** Tor stuff look weird  
**\<p​lowsof:matrix.org\>** lets move onto the proposals unless  
**\<p​lowsof:matrix.org\>** CCS proposals  
**\<p​lowsof:matrix.org\>** we can skip a. [Add retroactive funding proposal for FCMPs](https://repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/ccs-proposals/-/merge\_requests/403)  waiting for merge.  
**\<p​lowsof:matrix.org\>** and just make everyone waiting for a ccs payout / merges aware that luigi1111 knows about it and will be handling everything soon(tm) - apologies for the delays  
**\<o​frnxmr:monero.social\>** yup  
**\<p​lowsof:matrix.org\>** b. [dangerousfreedom - wallet work](https://repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/ccs-proposals/-/merge\_requests/409)  
**\<m​onerobull:matrix.org\>** Voting merge  
**\<p​lowsof:matrix.org\>** DF is waiting for code reviews from his previous CCS  
**\<r​ecanman:agoradesk.com\>** Seraphis wallet migration is extremely necessary and DF has major contributions  
**\<r​ecanman:agoradesk.com\>** +merge  
**\<m​onerobull:matrix.org\>** This is a problem in general right  
**\<p​lowsof:matrix.org\>** indeed, rbrunner7 has provided some positive feedback  
**\<m​onerobull:matrix.org\>** Can we hire someone like cypher stack if we can't find reviewers otherwise  
**\<o​frnxmr:monero.social\>** This  
**\<o​frnxmr:monero.social\>** Daemon needed too lol  
**\<o​frnxmr:monero.social\>** Seraphis needs proofs and audits  
**\<o​frnxmr:monero.social\>** And DF needs reviews  
**\<o​frnxmr:monero.social\>** Yes  
**\<o​frnxmr:monero.social\>** -dev and/or mrl and/or nwlb need to sign off  
**\<r​ecanman:agoradesk.com\>** You'  
**\<p​lowsof:matrix.org\>** we have devs on the payroll who can use hours to review DFs work  
**\<r​ecanman:agoradesk.com\>** You're right  
**\<m​onerobull:matrix.org\>** Are those devs just sitting around doing nothing?  
**\<m​onerobull:matrix.org\>** I'm pretty sure most work on very specific things  
**\<m​onerobull:matrix.org\>** Delaying what they work on to review each other's work while we have funds sitting idle is not very efficient  
**\<p​lowsof:matrix.org\>** koe has had a quick look and said it all seems ok but not actually reviewed it in depth  
**\<m​onerobull:matrix.org\>** Unless there's direct benefits from wallet reviewers being familiar with it in the future  
**\<m​onerobull:matrix.org\>** But it would need to be related, no point in a wallet expert reviewing p2p protocol when they don't plan to ever work with it  
**\<p​lowsof:matrix.org\>** i defer all serpahis proposals to the NWLB/seraphis workgroup  
**\<p​lowsof:matrix.org\>** thats my vote  
**\<p​lowsof:matrix.org\>** hiring outside help from e.g. cypherstack is a good idea  
**\<s​needlewoods\_xmr:matrix.org\>** maybe we need monero-apprenticeship  
**\<p​lowsof:matrix.org\>** we need experts  
**\<selsta\>** plowsof: depends on core team availability  
**\<selsta\>** but yes DNS will be updated after a week or so  
**\<c​trej:matrix.org\>** specifics about dev work can be discussed in other groups, as long as we take care that devs willing to work can work - and that they are not waiting on the ccs bureaucracy  
**\<p​lowsof:matrix.org\>** thanks! (DNS tells clients there is an update available)  
**\<c​trej:matrix.org\>** otherwise agreeing with this  
**\<p​lowsof:matrix.org\>** i mean on a personal level - DF has attended a monerokon and done other great work for the project - reducing delays is the priority here so he can get funding to continue  
**\<m​onerobull:matrix.org\>** Can he already move forward even without the review?  
**\<p​lowsof:matrix.org\>** there where some issues when the previous ccs was posted - which required discussion and changes, can view it in the comments. (perhaps showing a lack of direction because this is all new)  
**\<p​lowsof:matrix.org\>** give him the tasks that we need and he'll do it  
**\<p​lowsof:matrix.org\>** lets touch on the other proposals  
**\<p​lowsof:matrix.org\>** c. [XMR BTC Atomic Swaps Desktop GUI - Continued development for 6 months](https://repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/ccs-proposals/-/merge\_requests/411)  
**\<o​frnxmr:monero.social\>** close  
**\<p​lowsof:matrix.org\>** binarybaron: hasnt had a chance to respond to my comment yet  
**\<p​lowsof:matrix.org\>** this comment: https://repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/ccs-proposals/-/merge\_requests/411#note\_22562  
**\<m​onerobull:matrix.org\>** The GUI looks good but it's built on a discontinued protocol  
**\<m​onerobull:matrix.org\>** BasicSwapDex allows bidirectional monero swaps with BTC and LTC now  
**\<o​frnxmr:monero.social\>** UnstoppableSwap  
**\<m​onerobull:matrix.org\>** I'd much rather have someone look into taking BasicSwapDex and ripping out their smsg network and replace it with regular Tor connections  
**\<m​onerobull:matrix.org\>** Or at least evaluate how feasible that would be  
**\<o​frnxmr:monero.social\>** Or pokkst etc implement said features in other wallets  
**\<m​onerobull:matrix.org\>** Yeaj  
**\<m​onerobull:matrix.org\>** Saw a tweet today  
**\<m​onerobull:matrix.org\>** Pokkst implementation looks promising  
**\<m​onerobull:matrix.org\>** Is there any more info than his tweets?  
**\<p​lowsof:matrix.org\>** pokkst made a PR to the COMIT repo....  
**\<p​lowsof:matrix.org\>** is he also using the dead protocol?  
**\<p​lowsof:matrix.org\>** perhaps then its not dead?  
**\<p​lowsof:matrix.org\>** suspicious https://github.com/comit-network/xmr-btc-swap/pull/1447  
**\<m​onerobull:matrix.org\>** Hm  
**\<m​onerobull:matrix.org\>** https://matrix.monero.social/\_matrix/media/v1/download/matrix.org/jRrtPURCTbucKTNNvMPLvtSY  
**\<m​onerobull:matrix.org\>** I want to know how the liquidity providing works  
**\<p​lowsof:matrix.org\>** looks like the same setup as unstoppable swap  
**\<p​lowsof:matrix.org\>** i think we can defer discussion after raising some questions here and wait for binarybarons initial response  
**\<p​lowsof:matrix.org\>** moving on  
**\<p​lowsof:matrix.org\>** d. [Core Monero Concepts](https://repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/ccs-proposals/-/merge\_requests/412)  
**\<p​lowsof:matrix.org\>** the previous video they made was \_actually\_ proudly shared on some social media sites  
**\<m​onerobull:matrix.org\>** Unlike the last animation proposal lol  
**\<o​frnxmr:monero.social\>** My comments earlier are an extension of plowsof. Lower # of videos to 2 + (my suggestion) and do video on importance of nodes etc and another on fungibility/adoption4merchants  
**\<p​lowsof:matrix.org\>** we have 35 XMR from this proposal https://ccs.getmonero.org/proposals/savandra-videos-for-monero.html . if this Core Monero Concepts is reduced to 2 videos - then it could be almost entirely funded by those funds, and reduce the logisticcs issues with trying to push 4 videos out in a short time span  
**\<o​frnxmr:monero.social\>** Im ok with more videos following fwiw  
**\<v​ostoemisio:matrix.org\>** When would this be decided and allocated? I discussed a bit with xenu and we are open to shorten it to 2 videos to start if it makes sense. But if we could choose freely we would like to keep it to 4 videos as the initial proposal, less administration  
**\<v​ostoemisio:matrix.org\>** About the script and topics I refer to x3nu  to comment 👍️  
**\<m​onerobull:matrix.org\>** Let vosto work without needing to deal with us again every few weeks thankd  
**\<p​lowsof:matrix.org\>** the hive mind will make it so. if reducing to 2 videos , then its possible that the price is halfed and it goes to funding for 0.x XMR?  
**\<c​trej:matrix.org\>** which comment?  
**\<v​ostoemisio:matrix.org\>** this comment  
**\<p​lowsof:matrix.org\>** and absorbs the savandra funds (thus closing that proposal for good)  
**\<v​ostoemisio:matrix.org\>** this comment ceetee  
**\<p​lowsof:matrix.org\>** similar path to AcceptXMR  
**\<v​ostoemisio:matrix.org\>** this feedback, ceetee  
**\<p​lowsof:matrix.org\>** currently this proposal is 72XMR - halving it to 2 videos makes 36 XMR meaning if people want it to be 2, we could fund it with the 35 XMR , and put it to funding with 1 XMR  
**\<p​lowsof:matrix.org\>** bish bang bosh  
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**\<l​ordx3nu:matrix.org\>**  benefit the community to have videos like this they can just link to a noobie that will introduce them to these ideas.  
**\<l​ordx3nu:matrix.org\>** and you guys have already seen the quality from the tail emission/dynamic blockswize vid :\_)  
**\<l​ordx3nu:matrix.org\>** and you guys have already seen the quality from the tail emission/dynamic blockswize vid :)  
**\<s​needlewoods\_xmr:matrix.org\>** yeah it  was visually appealing  
**\<l​ordx3nu:matrix.org\>** if two videos is more convenient that works as well. we can again show we are capable of producing quality to make future funding more valuable  
**\<v​ostoemisio:matrix.org\>** If it's not a big deal for the community I'd prefer the current proposal but like x3nu  says we are open to changing it  
**\<o​frnxmr:monero.social\>** Seraphis and stomic swaps?  
**\<p​lowsof:matrix.org\>** so we have several options here , move to funding as, move to funding as is -= to the 35 XMR, half it and -= 35 so it requires 1 xmr to complete funding  
**\<p​lowsof:matrix.org\>** if halfing people need to decide on what 2 vids they want  
**\<c​trej:matrix.org\>** from the proposal:  
**\<c​trej:matrix.org\>** \>• Random X: Understanding the significance of ASIC resistance  
**\<c​trej:matrix.org\>** \>• Breaking down the how-to and the rationale for P2Pool.  
**\<c​trej:matrix.org\>** \>• Nodes: Why every Monero enthusiast should consider running one.  
**\<c​trej:matrix.org\>** \>• Fungibility: Explaining its essence in the context of Monero.  
**\<p​lowsof:matrix.org\>** overall i am +1 for vost and xenu to produce more videos for us  
**\<r​ecanman:agoradesk.com\>** As am IU  
**\<r​ecanman:agoradesk.com\>** As am I  
**\<o​frnxmr:monero.social\>** i am as well  
**\<p​lowsof:matrix.org\>** some discussion to finalise what is going to happen is needed  
**\<l​ordx3nu:matrix.org\>** that's not in this proposal, but we have future plans for that, yes. we need to wait until more work is done on them though before spending time on it  
**\<r​ecanman:agoradesk.com\>** RandomX and fungibility I think are good if halfing  
**\<o​frnxmr:monero.social\>** But making videos that only last a few months is retarded  
**\<m​onerobull:matrix.org\>** do we nee d a p2pool how-to? breaking it down sure but i believe there are already good tutorials  
**\<p​lowsof:matrix.org\>** i apologise for spelling halfing wrong and misleading you all. halving \*  
**\<o​frnxmr:monero.social\>** Landscape forever changing on atomic awaps, seraphis, p2pool, even fungibility  
**\<v​ostoemisio:matrix.org\>** Keep proposal as is, redistribute funding to ours, 35/72 xmr in the funding, that's optimal IMO  
**\<r​ecanman:agoradesk.com\>** RandomX and fungibility I think are good if halving  
**\<v​ostoemisio:matrix.org\>** 34 or 35, whatever was left in savandra's  
**\<l​ordx3nu:matrix.org\>** well for fungibility that isn't really about technology but moreso the characteristic of fungibility because monero isn't perfectly fungible  
**\<l​ordx3nu:matrix.org\>** so we will have example of what we mean by that and benefits of fungibility  
**\<r​ecanman:agoradesk.com\>** I have to leave the meeting. Goodbye everyone and thank you plowsof for moderation  
**\<v​ostoemisio:matrix.org\>** x3nu: Is probably up to work on the scripts while we wait for the second half funding, x3nu  ? No time would be wasted  
**\<l​ordx3nu:matrix.org\>** atomic swaps and seraphis are indeed constantly changing. althought seraphis I think would be ideal once it is finalized because this is the largest hardfork  in Monero's history  
**\<o​frnxmr:monero.social\>** Right. So why makeba video on fungibikity when xmr is not yet fungible?  
**\<o​frnxmr:monero.social\>** Ita like making news reports on "whats to come"  
**\<p​lowsof:matrix.org\>** recanman vote on the last one before you leave?  
**\<p​lowsof:matrix.org\>** e. [escapethe3RA Monero Observer maintenance (2023 Q4)](https://repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/ccs-proposals/-/merge\_requests/414)  
**\<o​frnxmr:monero.social\>** merge  
**\<l​ordx3nu:matrix.org\>** it would be like making a video on privacy but monero isn't perfectly private. it isn't an on or an off switch but an ideal that development for Monero aims for  
**\<r​ecanman:agoradesk.com\>** +merge, Monero observer I look at all the time  
**\<p​lowsof:matrix.org\>** monero.observer left our minds, but never our hearts and has been back the past week pushing out content as usual  
**\<o​frnxmr:monero.social\>** Didnt check price, bur merge if same as last  
**\<p​lowsof:matrix.org\>** thanks for attending recanman  
**\<p​lowsof:matrix.org\>** price is the same rates as the prev  
**\<r​ecanman:agoradesk.com\>** I checked almost every day on whether monero.observer was back. It's great. Goodbye  
**\<m​onerobull:matrix.org\>** i suggest you to set up an rss reader instead  
**\<o​frnxmr:monero.social\>** G2g too  
**\<o​frnxmr:monero.social\>** back in a few  
**\<m​onerobull:matrix.org\>** https://matrix.monero.social/\_matrix/media/v1/download/matrix.org/XvlSJVtviXKzgOWYRKVgYwjz  
**\<m​onerobull:matrix.org\>** its so good  
**\<l​ordx3nu:matrix.org\>** we think it would be a good idea to introduce the topic as part of running a node because the question of "what can I do to help Monero" comes up a lot. it wouldn't be a literal guide but a guide emphasizing the difference between centarlized pools and p2pool and why long term p2pool is what we should aim for  
**\<m​onerobull:matrix.org\>** yeah that is good  
**\<plowsof\>** thanks all for attending, we can call an end to the meeting here. we have to come to a decision on how to move forward with the core monero concepts proposal asap